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Hey everyone, Stacy here, i
have an announcement to make. After three

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and a half years and eighty episodes, I've decided that The Shit that Happens

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to Me podcast has run its course. June eighth will be the final episode

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for now, at least. I've
had so much fun talking to people about

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the shit that's happened to them,
and I want to thank everyone for their

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support. First, briefly, my
sons Zach and Jesse, who helped me

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start the podcast, my husband Steve
Ni the pickle guy who's been on several

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episodes, Tyler, Ryan and Maggie
from Straw Hut, all of my guests,

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and everyone who's listened and subscribed.
It's been a tremendous journey. In

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honor of my last episode, I've
compiled my favorite funniest stories. Steve is

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going to come on the show to
help introduce comment and provide some comic relief

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as we listen to them. So
if you have any burning questions that you

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want to ask me so for me
to answer during that episode, please feel

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free to reach out. You can
email me at the Ship that Happens to

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Me at gmail dot com, or
message me on Instagram or Facebook. And

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if you do reach out, chances
are I'm going to send you some merch.

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Finally, don't go too far,
because I'm hoping not to go too

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far away either. I hope to
be doing some more psychoanalyzing shows with Lindsay

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in the near future. Now here's
today's episode. Today we have on Eric

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Bowles, who is Maggie's father.
I am so excited. This was such

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a fun episode. Eric is an
actor, a writer, a casting director,

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and an acting teacher. And he
tells us so many stories about what

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it was like to grow up in
a family of actors, to all the

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different people that he met, and
the projects that he did, including riding

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a horse, chasing a monkey,
driving a spacemobile. Maggie, how times

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have you heard that story? A
lot, many, many times. So

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did you hear anything in today's episode
that's surprised you? No, Actually,

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you know nothing, nothing new.
I you know he taught he's a storyteller,

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so I think I've heard all those
stories before. Oh wait, no,

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you know what the sad turkey dinner
at at his father's girlfriend's house.

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That one I'd never heard before.
Okay, So so stay tuned everyone,

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you're gonna hear about Eric and all
of his crazy stories living as an actor

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in la in Portland and New York. Here where you go with the show,

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shit happens, bad shit, good
shit, crazy shit, and it

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usually happens when we least expect it. So tune into the Shit that Happens

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to Me Podcast and hear me and
everyone I meet tell their shitty stories.

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You'll laugh, you'll cry. You
probably won't cry. Why would you cry?

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These are mostly funny stories. You'll
learn a few lessons, probably not.

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It's definitely not that kind of podcast, but you will have a great

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time. Honestly, you can't make
this shit up. Hi, everyone,

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Stacy here, Welcome to another episode
of The Ship That Happens to Me Podcast.

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I am so excited to be here
today with a very special guest,

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Eric Bowls. Hi. Eric,
how are you? I'm great? How

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are you you good? I'm good? Thank you, I'm good. So,

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you know, I usually start my
episode with how do I know you?

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So? Do you know how I
know you? Probably from the thing

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I filled out, Yes, but
I mean you are Maggie's father, So

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Maggie the producer of the show.
You are Maggie's father. Yeah, I

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am Maggie's yes, and she said
that you were listening to an episode one

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day while she was working on it, and you thought that you maybe had

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some stories to tell. Yes,
yes, maybe too many? Yeah,

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maybe too many. There's never too
many. I listened. How many people

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ever fellow off a horse, chasing
a monkey, driving a spacemobile? You

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know, I mean, I've got, you know, tons of those.

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No one has told that story yet. So, um, I'm the only

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one who Yes, boy like geeking
experiences. Okay, well I want to

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hear them all. I first just
want to just give a little background.

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So you are an actor, a
writer, a casting director, and a

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teacher. That's quite a number of
professions. I'm you know, um,

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what do you anything? You want
to And you were a founding member of

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an improv group called the Groundlings.
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ground It wasn't a founding member,
but I joined. I didn't in nineteen

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seventy two with Michael Richards and Lorraine
Newman and Paul Rubens back then was Paul

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rubinfeldt pebe herky and Newman joined the
Groundlings because her sister was a member and

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she became big and famous, and
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the Groundlings, and then Paul joined, but I didn't want to pay forty

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five dollars a month because forty five
dollars a month. And then I joined

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and I had a great time.
How long did you do that? Well?

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I was in the Groundings for a
year and then I started my own

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company and I used Lynn Stewart,
you know she was she was Missy Vaughn

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on the Peewee Show and kept King
and Bridge Sienna and we did Cynthia Saghetti

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director and we did one show that
I produced called Geek City, and then

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another then another show called Back by
Popular Demand, And anyway I did.

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I did stand up. My first
stand UPAC was in New York City and

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I BSEd my way into this club
called Pips in Brooklyn, and there was

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this big cowboy who introduced himself.
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I'll tell them I'm your manager.
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we came in. He walked and
he said he was my manager. And

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I used to do imitations and people
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with a puppet. It was not
a good act. It was really a

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bad act. Although but you know, and I didn't realize this man was

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an alcoholic and he got drunk and
he snorked to my act. So it

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was really you know, first of
all, having trying to get him out

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of the place afterwards. So I
didn't do stand up for a long time

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after that. Okay, Well,
it's really it's very It's ironic because I've

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had on the show Jan Eater,
who is a founding member member of Comedy

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Sports, which is an improv group
here in Milwaukee, and my son does

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improv with Comedy Sports, and I
did improv for one year when I was

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in graduate school in Chicago at the
Improv. So, um, if I

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know it, I'm not super good
at it. Second City, well,

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I'll tell you that I did it
with this place called the Improv. Had

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I continued, I would have been
just grandfathered into Second City. But I

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was in graduate school at the time
to become a psychologist, and I was

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a much better psychologist than I was
at improv, so I unfortunately gave it

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up. But it was great fun. I'm not loose enough. I can't

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just like I can't just do I
don't do imitations. I can't or accents

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or you know, um, I
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My son is great at it.
He's really loose and very good. And

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I'm guessing that you were pretty good
at it. Yeah, I was pretty

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good at it. I wasn't as
good as Phil. Phil Hartmon was the

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was the king. He was probably
the most gifted improviser I ever saw.

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And I grew up my parents.
One of my parents' best friends with Jonathan

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Winners, and Jonathan Winners would come
over and entertain us, and I had

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long talks with Johnny and he would
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I was young, but I was
doing it and it was really supportive of

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me. And one day he wrote
a comedy book. It was cartoons,

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and on my thirteenth birthday he gave
it to me and he drew an extra

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picture and he wrote a whole bunch
under there. And he was very supportive

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of me. But as brilliant as
he was, he was no Phil Hartman.

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Phil Hartman was spookated. Phil Hartman
would smoke point before each show and

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be brilliant, and he'd do it
over and over and I anyway, enough

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about Phil Hartman. Phil Hartman was
brilliant. Yeah, yeah, he sure

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was well, um so, anyway, so let's hear more about this story

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about chasing a monkey while you're on
driving a spacemobile. Yes, okay,

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let's hear it. Yeah, this
was a movie. This was a TV

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show called Arc two, and my
father was in this and my father was

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getting quite oldly in one leg.
And the sad part of my getting older

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is you slowly turned into mister potato
man a mister potato woman. You have

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to put patches and stuff, and
then you go on dates and it's really

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not a pretty picture, especially when
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You know what I mean that being
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director, Ted Post who directed Hang
Them High, and he directed Real Western's

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And I came in and all actors
when they say do you ride, you

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say yeah, you just say that
because you know and I did ride?

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You know not well, he said, are you a good rider? Yeah?

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Because a good wire anyway, And
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this place called Pickwick and I rode
and I was quite good. I was

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riding doing all this stuff. And
we get there and this is the twenty

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first century, it's and it's I'm
playing a guy named Borgu and I'm evil

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and it was bare back. I
didn't realize that I had never been on

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bareback. And I got on the
horse and we started to shoot in a

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horse twirl and I'm chasing a monkey
driving a spacemobile. So the monkey wasn't

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really driving, but the monkey was
in the front and the grips were like

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moving it along and I was riding
the horse. The horse turned and I

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fell off the horse and I landed
on this hand. There's a scar here.

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Who I never mind, there's a
scar on my hand, and I

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can always say, how'd you get
this? Guy? I fell off a

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monkey driving a spacemobile and I got
up inside of blood all over the place.

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Blood, No, it's nothing.
Blood so much blood. I could

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have feigned, but they patched me
up. I did it and did it

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and can we can we watch this
scene? Is this like in a movie?

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Or was it t show? Arc
two? Arc two? Okay,

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it was a show that was on
for maybe a year, but it was.

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It was one of the morning shows
for children. But it was well

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done. It was Yeah, my
niece saw it, but that was a

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long time ago. Yeah, and
maybe yeah, I was working, but

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then my my my sister took my
daughter to see The Great Texas Dyeing My

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Chase because I was in that too, but there was nudity in that,

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and she was going, oh jeesus, you had to sneak out the door

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because she didn't want the you know, the child away right, so your

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wait here? So your dad was
an actor also, my mother, my

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father, my sister me, I
had one sister didn't want to act.

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My first show was My Three Sons. It was the episode where I made

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trip isn't Chip? It was his
first date and and my my friend took

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his date away at the mall shop
because Chip went out to get some extra

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money. Brother came back and I
teased him, Yeah, that was oh

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so memorable. And then I grew
a bunch of inches and I was a

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husband, so sad. So did
you was you know? I don't know

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any of this, Eric? So
was this all in like the California area?

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California area. I worked a little
bit in New York and I did

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some of stock. I had done
a place called there was lots of theater

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in the round, and I did
this place called Plane and Fancy, And

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there was an old character actor named
Walter Slayzac who played my father, and

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I got great reviews. And then
I got a big shot agent and I

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tested for a big movie where I
was an Indian dying on an elephant.

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Yeah, it's you know, needless
to say. They went to India and

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got someone, and then they did
my three sons. And then I hope

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the cops are coming. I'm going
to be arrested. No, take him

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away. And and then I grew
six inches. I was up for a

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movie at Disney, and I grown
a whole bunch. And I went in

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and they read me, and then
they brought me back to read for the

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director. And before I went and
they said, the casting agent went out

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and said, we got to measure
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and they measured me. They measured
a few boys who were smaller,

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and then they went in and then
they measured me, and I was too

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tall. And the lady put her
arm around and said, don't you worry.

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You'll be a leading man. But
the kid who ran in before me

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was Kurt Russell, and I have
a feeling if I ran to him,

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it might be tall me. So
there's no justice, you know, there's

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no just thank god, you got
a improdit's the chiatrist. You can you

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can help people like me, Thank
goodness. No, oh, my goodness,

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so wow. I mean, yes, you have a million stories,

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don't you. Well then years later
I went in No, let me says.

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Years later. Um, it was
in La and um I had this

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um tyter corolla. It was at
nineteen eighty eight and it was silver.

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So I went to Earl Shipe and
told him to paint it maroon. I

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thought it would make it much more
exciting, but it came out more diarrhea

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brown, so it wasn't really a
classy thing, you know. And then

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the the bumper was smashed and I
was driving out of out of the studio

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and Kurt Russell wasn't back with me, and he was in a convertible Jaguar,

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and he had a scarf around his
neck and his hand was out like

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the knee was smiling, and I
thought his teeth were going to sparkle him.

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And I drove off with my little
geeky corolla diarrhea brown. Anyway,

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that's uh, that was the other
side great. So he became a lady

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man. And Kurt Russell is one
very handsome and yea felt No, he

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was a handsome kid. Yeah,
it's just that that I would be a

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lady man. There, I was
in the Corolla. That's a that's the

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end of the Diaria Brown. Yeah, I wanted maroon. I can they

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say what colors that? I say? It's maroon? You know what I

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mean? But you know? Yeah? Right? So what was that light?

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Then? Growing up with a whole
family of actors, I'll tell you

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what it's like. First of all, you have an assumption you're around wonderful

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character actors and really interesting people and
what's amazing, and most of them are

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gone, But like, there was
an actor named Sam Jaffee who worked with

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me. Sam Jeffrey was Gunga Din
in the movies and he was the High

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Lama and Lost a Horizon and he
was doctor Zorba and Ben Casey and he

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would work with me. And I
remember being a little kid doing a scene

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and having these three actors next door
talk to me and say, Eric,

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you've got to do this. And
I didn't know who they were, but

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one was Luther and Stella Adler and
Sylvia Sydney. Now if you don't know

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who these actors are, they were
group theater. They were. They were

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huge, but that's why I was
brought up around. So it can give

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you a sense of entitlement that you
don't deserve. Um. But also it's

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a very romantic, sort of like
a New York City in the fifties and

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sixties and even la was there were
studios, it was. It was really

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quite fun. And if you went
to Universal, you saw everybody. Yeah

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so did you so this So you
had like a pretty good career doing,

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you know, acting in movies and
TV shows and things like that. I

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have no k career, um.
I mean I was lazy and entitled and

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I could have done much much more. If I'll give you an example,

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that's very true. I was doing
a play once. I was doing a

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play once and it was and my
mother I wasn't very good in it,

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um, And my mother said to
me, you were the best looking one

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on stage like this, that's just
what mothers do. But I was on

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the show with David has Off and
he was much better looking at me.

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The first time I ever realized I
may not be a leading man. I

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was sitting was we were rehearsing a
show called ubu um. It's an alpha

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gare play, and I was looking
at hassel Off. I didn't really know

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him that well, and I was
going, he's taller than me. He's

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got a perfect nose. Look at
the temples. He's gone, well,

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how did he get those dimples?
His face is perfectly and he's got the

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schnagen in his chin. I was
I just sitting like this. That being

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said, that's what mothers should do. Yeah, I hope you'll tell your

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son he's Gordon. I My son
is gorgeous. Both my sons are gorgeous.

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That's my son. That's what I
mean. Yes, of course,

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yes, yeah, they're both very
handsome and very very fine young men.

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So I love. Yeah, what
kind of a mom would you mean?

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My son? Oy? Geez yo? Of course yeah. Most are mothers,

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but father's they're they're different about it
though, you know, like with

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my mother, I could do no
wrong. I could do no wrong.

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So I'll tell you. I was
once giving a talk. So I'm a

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psychologist. I was giving a talk
and right before the talk, I got

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um a lot of nervous perspiration and
it developed into like body odor. It

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bad, It was bad, and
it was this weird thing because the talk

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was in Chicago, and so my
parents came to my professional talk and they're

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sitting there before the talk and I
run up to my mom and I go,

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mom, I suddenly have body odor. And she goes, no,

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you don't, because she's my mother. And I literally stick my underarm up

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to her nose and go smell this, and she goes, oh, okay.

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So she was hard for us to
admit that I had in five minutes

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developed in Tene's body odor. But
yeah, she didn't have a choice.

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I literally right up to her face. Yeah, I gave her a whiff

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of that. So um. Yeah, well, as you know, if

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you're lucky. But so let's see, there are some other stories here.

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I see a story. I see
Jane Seymour on this list. Tell me

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about James Seymour. I even know
if you should tell the story Jane.

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See, there was a party in
the seventies. There were lots of parties.

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You used to go to Alan Carr. Alan Carr had parties and was

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filled with stars Burgess. Meredith would
be dancing and trying to pick up young

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girls. Hugh Hefner was there with
Barbie Benton all the time. One time

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there was ringo and for Keith Moon's
twenty ninth birthday. But this was this

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was jan Here Doilerac. He was
a costume designer and it was a really

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fun party. Lots of actors,
but there was two famous actresses there,

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and there were a lot of people
who were almost famous, and some were

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quite snooty and uh, and I
was upstairs and oh, I'm trying to

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remember her name. She was Juliet
and Romeo and Juliet Hussey and Olie Hussey

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was very quiet. I think I
met her about six times at parties.

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And what you would get to go? Hid you go hi? Like that?

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That was it? So I figured, so I went down stairs and

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started talking like this. I'm putting
on a Scottish accent. I just wasn't

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scared and I was talking hey,
and I said, and I'm talking to

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Jane Seymour. I don't realize it's
Jane Seymour. I've just figured she's going

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to blow me off. So I
talked like this, Tylor, I'm a

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Scottish boxer. She opens up to
me and she had just she she had

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been with Sky for long. She
got married and within a month the marriage

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is over and she was really depressed
and she's talking to me, and I'm

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thinking, I'm not talking about this. I'm thinking, oh my god,

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how you know? And I'm thinking, just just say I'm not a Scottish

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boxer, but I was. I
couldn't do it. And she talked to

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me and I go, tell him
I like this. And I knew people

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there and they were walking around,
and I was afraid, you can't bluff.

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You can't all of a sudden say
hi, not with the Scottish aggas

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Hi right, all right, you
know, I mean, there's no way

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you can't say hi back because hey. Oh So finally I got up and

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walked someplace else. She followed me
in the other room and it was yeah,

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And I think the woman likes me
if i'd just been honest. But

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how long can you keep up the
facade of a Scottish in a boxer.

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I could have liked this the whole
time, and you know, and it

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wasn't even you could have married her
and been stuck talking like that for your

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whole life forever. But anyway,
she seemed like a very nice lady and

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I always felt like a real schmuck
for doing that. It's a sad story.

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It's a real sad story a little
bit again. I left the party.

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I stuck out the door and left
the party. It's it's a very

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sad ending anyway. That being said, you know what they say, that's

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showbiss. Yeah, and you never
saw her again. Oh thank god.

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That would have been awkward. Right, I'm gonna I was the asshole who

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I pretended to be a Scottish boxer. Yeah. No, no, I'm

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not gonna and a box is this
podcast? Right? And a boxer?

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No? Less? It was manly. Yeah, I was young, kind

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of at least I fantasized that was
you know. Okay, No, I

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did this this film called The Pack
of the Giant Pigeons many years ago in

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Dynamation, and it's a poster of
it now. It was never released,

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it was never shown, but in
the poster people look at it say that's

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not you. So obviously I've changed
quite a bit. Yeah, that's it.

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That's the end of the story.
Oh okay, okay, the same

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year. So I was devastatingly handsome
then. And this is what this is

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what forty some ideas do to you. Hey, it all happens to all

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of us. You have to tell
me. I just sit and look at

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the goods flage like this. If
I go like this, I feel better

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anyway, enough, um, I
are you? Um? Okay, so

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let me back up. So there's
some also some stories. I mean,

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I want I want you to know
that Maggie wrote quite a list of stories

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here. Okay. So one of
them starts with my mother thought I was

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shooting pot oh oh, okay,
this is probably you'll enjoy this. This

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is let's see, I'm of that
general ration. My mother was a Greek

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actress and anywhere. This is nineteen
sixty eight and it's a long time ago,

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and parents were we're worried about that. You know. I had rolled

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the tobacco cigarette and it was in
my bathroom and my parents found it and

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they immediately flushed it down the toilet. And my father took me for a

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ride in the Chevrolet and Paala.
This was on the one on one freeway

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and we were going to Westwood or
something, which is a four. You

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know any of this, but I
have a clear it's the valley and we

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were driving. I was also just
a jerk kid, and my father was

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a very nice man, and he
was driving, and he was very theatrical,

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and he said, so, how
are you doing? And I answered

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him very politely, boy, and
he said, would you like to start

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seeing a psychiatrist? No? Can
I ask you another question? And his

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hair went like this? Are you
addicted the pot? Like this? He

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remember his hair? Pot? But
no, I don't read the sun.

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I won't punish you. Have you
ever tried to it? Yeah, promise,

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but you'll never go No. So
it was a delightful call. What

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can I tell you? And my
mother was telling everybody that I was shooting

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pot, telling the and or shooting
marijuana or shooting pot. And they told

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me that they found that they found
the pot in and I said it was

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there was anyway. There was no
way I could disprove it. But that

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was That was the sixties. And
if you think about it, my mom

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was born nineteen fifteen, my dad
was born nineteen fourteen. They saw reefer

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madness. They really believed it.
My mother was, it's the drugs,

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Jimmy, it's the drugs, you
know what I mean? And I didn't

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do drugs. And back then the
marijuana was so weak. I remember the

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first time I tried it. My
friend came over and he had it and

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we take a hit, and actually
I think we got we got high from

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being not having oxygen and being busy
from holding It was nothing like what you

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get today was It was nothing.
So that's what It was a much more

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innocent time. But people had There
was a story about a bunch of a

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teacher taking a bunch of kids out
into the to the forest and they'm all

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looking all they all dropped acid and
they all looked at the sun and they

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all went blind. That was the
story they were telling people. And it

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was a lie. Yeah, yeah, they didn't go right, Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, it scared you. Yeah, I was very gullible.

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I mean I was already accused of
shooting pot. I never did that when

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I when I taught, when I
taught school, I'd always tell the kids

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when I'd believe us, and now
you kids, behave yourself. I don't

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want any of you to shoot pot
while I'm going. And every now and

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then he would say, can you
do that? Give us unstruck sense?

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Yeah, yeah, now I think
we could. I mean yeah probably,

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I mean you can probably forward anything. Yeah, liquid right, let's not

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give anybody any ideas. There's just
enough, it's enough problem. Oh we

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have already. Yeah, I believe
no right, So there's another there's another

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one here that your dad's sex life. Your dad's sex life as a widower.

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Oh, my poor father, my
father, he lived in denial.

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He had all these different He would
go to the doctor and you know,

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when you go you list off the
diseases. My father would add on the

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ones that lept off the list,
you know what I mean. So it

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was like shoes like this, and
he he was um. He loved life,

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he loved acting. But first of
all he was addicted to cigarettes.

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He couldn't quit. And he'd say, I don't really smoke, but he,

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of course he smoked. I once
watched him smoked nine cigarettes at a

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dinner one time. Also, because
he had a bad high eat his hernia,

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he could only eat um, he
could only eat certain things. And

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what he would do he would eat
white bread with sour cream and jelly and

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that's what he had eat with a
big thing of milk and he'd eat that.

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So, you know, so anyway, he ended up. He went

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in for a little while. He
lost his leg and he had an artificial

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leg and when he walked, it
kind of sounded like a fart because they'd

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go like this, and he breathed
that no, you know, you know,

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and you know he had like he
had his glasses and he had this.

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But he women found him attracted and
he was he was a chiming guy.

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And he met some woman at the
Veterans Administration and they lived in Westwood

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as she lived in Westlake Village,
which was out there in the valley.

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And he told me that they this
was oh yeah. They went out and

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she said, so, would you
like to smoke a number my father?

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My father? Okay at pod and
and he way, okay, and he

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said, well she took a twok
she did. He didn't even know the

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words. He was trying to be
hit ok. And then she said would

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you like some more? And I
said no, thank you. Anyway,

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they anyway, they had sex and
the next morning he said, I woke

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up the next morning, I got
all my things together. I drove all

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the way home, and when I
walked in the door, I remembered I'd

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left my jurnal and I was thinking, oh, my poor father left his

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jurnal at this woman's house. You
know, I mean, I just prayed

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to God that he'd emptied it,
you know what I mean, because that's

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not something you know, that's not
a good thing to leave, you know,

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you want to leave me the flowers, you know, I mean it's

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not very anyway, that was not
one of the acts. That And then

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one time he had a woman.
Oh oh, that was so depressing.

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Um it was it was Thanksgiving,
his last Thanksgiving. My father died at

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sixty three. But I mean this
sincerely. He didn't look a day open

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ninety. It was amazing, but
it was oh ouch um. Anyway,

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he took us to this house.
He was in Westlake. We were going

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to an actors house, an old
wonderful English named torn Thatcher, but we

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stopped at her house. I think
it was a trick. I think he

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wanted us to have Thanksgiving with her. And she gave us a dessert and

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all she had what I needed when
I was there was alcohol. I needed

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as much alcohol just to get me
through this experience. And she had not

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had very sweet champagne that she poured
in a thing. And I thought like

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this did nothing for me. And
she had a bell collection and she passed

408
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.240
around her belt. Her mother was
there, her son was there. Her

409
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:53.200
son looked just as disgusted to see
us as we were to see being this

410
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:57.519
thing and we had to ring the
bell. We run around and she had

411
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:02.640
some She had diabetic peanuts, that's
what I remember, and you wait them

412
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:07.440
they sort of exploded in your mouth. Now I would not want this ever,

413
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.559
but I was in such agony sitting
there, and I would get up

414
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.119
and go in the bathroom and just
shut the door and sit in the dark,

415
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.720
hoping it would end and I'd come
back out and we'd eat more diving

416
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.920
anyway. At one point she said
and she was cooking a turkey and it

417
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:29.599
smelled like it was cooked in sugar. And I remember she said, well,

418
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:33.200
you know, you could we could
have we could have turkey here.

419
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.920
And my father looked at us an
he went just to do that, and

420
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:38.559
he said, no, no,
we got a good going day. We've

421
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.160
got anyway, So we left.
That was it. It was, And

422
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.680
I remember thinking, my dad has
fucked Thanksgiving. This is this Thanksgiving is

423
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:52.039
destroyed. She was a nice lady, you know, and she had this

424
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.119
big blonde wig on and she eric, whatever you do, don't tell her

425
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.680
when she wears a wig, you
know, like like she was fooling us.

426
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:06.599
It was you could see the you
know, but you know what he

427
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:08.599
had to be with a woman which
was very which was very sweet, and

428
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:14.519
everything was falling all to pieces and
women had He was very good. He

429
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.039
got very dapper as he got he
had a mustache and he had gray hair,

430
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:21.240
and you know, and he worked
a lot. He was it was

431
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.279
quite uh. He did a lot
of stuff. Had a very good career.

432
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:28.640
And he loved acting more than anything. He just he loved it.

433
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.960
As must name. What was your
dad's name? Jim Bowles b O l

434
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.720
E. S. Okay, he
did announced the movie he did. Yeah,

435
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:42.799
And there was an actress named Laurette
Taylor who was one of the great

436
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:47.720
actresses of and she loved him as
a leading man. And he was and

437
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.799
he was a good fellow, a
real good fellow. He was sort of

438
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.039
like certain people in a family are
the caregivers, meaning that he took care

439
00:32:55.039 --> 00:33:00.240
of his sisters, that he took
care of his sisters kids. And yeah,

440
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.559
and I lost them at a young
age. And I was one of

441
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:06.559
all those things. Do you still
have your parents? No? I don't.

442
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.680
No, how did you have them
for a while? Oh? Yeah,

443
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:14.039
yeah, see I lost Yes,
I lost my both my parents by

444
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:19.160
the time I was twenty five.
Yeah, yeah, I wish I'd known

445
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.319
them longer. We could have.
It would have been nice. It'd have

446
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:27.920
been nice to have known them longer, for sure. And your your siblings.

447
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.599
How many siblings do you have?
Two older sisters? Okay, and

448
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:37.079
one of them six one of them
actually didn't really act anymore. And she's

449
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:42.839
married to a director who directed one
of Stranger Calls many many years ago.

450
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.759
Yeah, about have you changed the
children? And he directed a lot off

451
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:53.480
and then, um, my other
sister was more into politics and business and

452
00:33:54.039 --> 00:34:01.839
okay, yeah, and so now
you also, um direct, In fact,

453
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:08.679
you're directing currently, you're directing something
we were going to open. We

454
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:15.440
were going to open in the beginning
of twenty twenty and then and we had

455
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:21.039
a theater and we had a cast, and then COVID came yeah, and

456
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.559
uh, and we kept postponing and
postponing, and then we forgot about it.

457
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:29.440
And then uh, they turned it
into a musical and there was a

458
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:35.400
it's been composed and it's quite good
and it's funny, and it's cast pretty

459
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:42.800
much now and now we're going to
start rehearsing and hopefully well so we can

460
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:47.800
put it up. Um, so
it's hopefully going to open by the end

461
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.559
of the summer. What's the name
of this product? Yeah, God,

462
00:34:52.599 --> 00:35:01.000
Couple's so Yeah, it's about a
game Muslim the Sloppy Jew. Okay,

463
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:07.719
yeah, it's a little bit like
the Couple. Yeah, yeah, no,

464
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:20.039
and it's it's present day and um
it's a closeted Amazelle so um and

465
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:28.159
then his parents come to and bring
him a wife and that's where the that's

466
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.679
where all all the stuff goes.
Yeah, it's very clever, very and

467
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:37.679
I liked r I've directed about forty
four shows and I liked direct. Yeah,

468
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.920
I enjoy it. I enjoyed.
I enjoyed teaching acting too. My

469
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:46.000
problem with teaching acting is, um, I always feel bad if I have

470
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:50.159
because it's people pay a lot of
money for it, and I always feel

471
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.639
bad if there's someone who I know
nothing's going to happen, or I just

472
00:35:53.719 --> 00:36:00.360
feel like they're spending a lot of
money and they're not I don't think they're

473
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.760
going to have much success. How
do you know that? I mean,

474
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:06.039
they're just like not very good.
They're just not very good, or they

475
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:08.599
just don't look right, or they
are they have a certain image of themselves

476
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:15.039
as being uh being brad Pitt like
you know, and you know they're not

477
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:20.920
or being they thinking they're George Clooney
or thinking you know, or thinking they're

478
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.840
you know, people are delusional to
a certain extent in acting. It's it's

479
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:34.440
a fantasy thing. When I taught
h im, well, what can I

480
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.559
say? I gave Brad Pitt.
I don't know if that's up there,

481
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.039
but I cast Brad Pitt in his
first starring role in a feature. And

482
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:49.079
when I was casting Louise, I
wish it was Alman Louise. No,

483
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.360
you know it was no. Oh
no. It was a film called Cutting

484
00:36:52.440 --> 00:37:00.199
Class and Um and it was supposed
to be like one of those team kind

485
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.760
of funny slasher type movies. And
when I walked into my office, I

486
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.119
literally thought, have I been looking
in the wrong places? He was so

487
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:16.079
much foreign, beyo above anyone that
it almost was like you thought, well,

488
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:20.480
no, something's wrong here, and
it wasn't. He just was.

489
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.360
He was gorgeous, He was improv
He was kind of James Deaney, but

490
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:30.679
more masculine and kind of more improvisational
and taller and uh and a really sweet

491
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:36.199
kid. And I liked him,
and I was the dialogue coach on it.

492
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.960
And I also co starred with him, and it was it was he

493
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:44.360
was a nice guy. He was
a nice guy. So I enjoyed that,

494
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:46.880
and well, I enjoyed casting.
I mean, I loved giving.

495
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:51.119
I once gave Richard Biemer. Do
you who Richard Biemer is? That name

496
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:55.679
is so familiar. Richard Biemer was
Tony and Tony and West Side Story.

497
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:01.119
Yeah, and he had his huge
career and then it kind of just disappeared,

498
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:05.239
and I just thought he didn't want
to act anymore. And then I

499
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:08.880
was doing a pilot was called Charleston, which was supposedly the Gone with the

500
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:15.119
Wind for television, except it was
really quite dreadful. But he was up

501
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.599
for one of the lead. He
was up for the lead, and I

502
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.360
thought, oh, the poor guy. He still wants to act. I

503
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.679
had done an after school special he
was a cinematographer, and I thought,

504
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:29.280
oh, he doesn't want to do
it. So I cast him in a

505
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:32.320
show at the arena stage and I
was really proud of that and we became

506
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.000
good buddies. Now he lives,
I think in Iowa, and he's a

507
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:45.400
Buddhist and he's very talented. And
anyway, it's this business is really cruel.

508
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.800
I don't want to recommend it to
people, but if you have to

509
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.960
do it, you do it.
So I want to tell you people who

510
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:57.480
listen to the podcast. I've told
this already, but when I used to

511
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:02.320
want to act, and I used
to try out for the plays in high

512
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.159
school and the director his name was
Jim Batts. He was a great guy.

513
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:12.920
This is back in suburbs of Chicago. He would make me his assistant

514
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:17.039
director. And so after he did
that two or three times, I got

515
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:24.400
the message that I probably wasn't very
good at acting, right, but he

516
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:30.199
liked me. But he liked me
right, So yeah, but um,

517
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:36.039
yeah, I guess you just can't. There's there's something you can teach someone,

518
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.559
but they already have to have some
talent. Right that you're that you're

519
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:46.719
going to be working with, let's
so unbelievably gorgeous. You know that they

520
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:51.119
can get something. But even there, it can hurt them, you know.

521
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.360
Yeah, And you know it is
when I'm saying it a lot of

522
00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:01.000
people. You have to know what
you are and what you'll sell as unless,

523
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:04.480
of course you can write your own
stuff. I mean, if you

524
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.239
can get them do stand up and
you're brilliant, then you can control the

525
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:15.960
whole narrative. You know you.
But if you're going in for things and

526
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.920
you want to play you, That's
say, if you're doing Greece and you

527
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:24.559
want to play Sandy, but you're
you have very dark hair and you you

528
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.719
look you're not going to get Sandy
and you if you just don't look right

529
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:36.559
for you know, and but everybody
fantasizes nobody wants to play the nerd.

530
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.880
Nobody wants people link men don't.
If I give you a perfect example,

531
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:44.400
and it happens to me all the
time, some woman will run up to

532
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.400
me and tell tell me I look
like somebody who I don't want to look

533
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:52.719
like. And I'm sort of like, don't go to tell somebody you want

534
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:55.000
to be told you look like someone
gorgeous, you know, especially if you

535
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:59.239
think you look I mean, you
get away from me, you know what

536
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.039
I mean. Life is tough enough. I don't want that image in my

537
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:07.199
head or you know, it's usually
it's kind of shocking and disappointing. That

538
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.119
being said, But if you are
a nerd and you play the nerd,

539
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.280
you can make a lot of money
because you'll be really bad at it.

540
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.159
Well, That's what I mean.
If you can throw away your ego and

541
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:25.519
not feel bad about playing dorks and
geeks and stuff, right, then that's

542
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:28.639
what I'm trying. There's certain people
who can do that. There are other

543
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.239
people who come in and they just
want to be They want to be James

544
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:36.559
Dean. Why wouldn't they want to
be James Dean? You know what I

545
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:40.599
mean. I'd much rather be James
Dean than you know, dotnots. You

546
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:45.360
know what I mean. It's um. But then someone who does comedy,

547
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:52.079
yeah, wants the truth is just
work, Yeah, just be happy and

548
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:53.880
work. What I would do when
I taught, I would just try to

549
00:41:53.920 --> 00:42:00.519
make people be as comfortable as possible. And and it's not that, it's

550
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:05.679
not that if they had no connections
in this business and they had no money,

551
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:12.519
then it's real tough because now acting
is sort of almost inherited. You

552
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.480
need money because la is a fortune. New York's a fortune. When I

553
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:22.719
was a young man, I lived
in New York City, I studied with

554
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:27.199
Utahagen, I had, you know, I've there was all if you got

555
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.719
a dinner dinner theater job, you
could go on dates and do things,

556
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:36.039
and it was cheap they were breakfast
places that were forty nine cents. You

557
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.920
got two eggs, toast and potatoes
and you'd go there with your actor buddies.

558
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:45.480
And they were happy hours where beer
believe in or beer was beer was

559
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.679
a quarter and it was just it
wasn't it was a quarter. But it's

560
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:54.119
a little thing of beer and nothing
fancy. But hey man, that's good.

561
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:58.199
And that's also true in la we
all lived in we all lived in

562
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.840
Venice, and it was that doesn't
Also this is sort of the this is

563
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:05.639
what happens when you talk to old
parts like me. We talk about first

564
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.320
of all, if we're not talking
about our shoulder or either this, we're

565
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.800
talking about how cheap it was.
Oh that's a senior. There's time time

566
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:17.559
to the home. Yeah no,
no, that's respect for all those people.

567
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.199
So I also understand that you have
a film coming out that's taken you

568
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:27.559
fifty years to make. Well,
that's it. I didn't make it.

569
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:32.800
It's it's it's Attack of the Giant
Pigeons and dynamation. Okay, no dynamation,

570
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.360
No, it's it's it's that's what
we were making. Dynamitition was big

571
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.760
with special offense back in nineteen seventy
five. That is a big deal.

572
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.719
But um, what's this? Oh, that's nothing, Okay, that the

573
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:55.920
episode of you Oh oh, there's
YouTube. Actually, I'm very good friends

574
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:00.599
with my ex wife Cars. She's
one of my best buddies and and I

575
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:02.800
adored her husband. He's a wonderful
man. He fought Sugar Ray Leonards.

576
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:10.440
So I better word or him anyway, I picture of I know it's the

577
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:14.920
episode. She just showed me the
picture of me on the horse, chasing

578
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.400
the monkey, jocking the spacemobile.
No, I saw you could if you

579
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.880
want, you can actually google that
and enjoy the Oh see my father,

580
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:28.039
Oh my goodness, all of us
will do that. Yeah. So what

581
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:32.800
was I talking about before Attack of
the Pigeons. Yeah, and he flew

582
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.239
me up from New York. And
at the time I was in a group

583
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.960
called the Actors Gestalt. Oh yeah, I had no money, That's what

584
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:46.239
that meant. And so I flew
and we shot this thing and Paul Rubens

585
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:50.840
was in it. He plays a
very distinguished Hispanic gentleman. I think I

586
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.840
already told you this anyway, Um, it's it's not going to come out.

587
00:44:53.960 --> 00:45:00.440
It's it's okay, it'll always be
work in progress. But I do

588
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:04.760
look pretty and I have a machine
gun and my shirts open all the time.

589
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.400
What a sex, I was out. Yeah, I have my hair,

590
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:15.039
Yes you do? Well? Are
there any other stories? Have we

591
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:19.320
missed anything? You probably missed tons
of things, but I can see anything

592
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.440
there. I'll come up with it, you know. I'm glad I did

593
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:27.679
the Jane Seymour kills me every single
time. I can tell the jaqueline and

594
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.039
set story. But that's way too
depressing and I just as soon not till

595
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:37.840
that. We don't want do we
haven't do it, but it's too giggy.

596
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:44.239
Okay, all right? Well,
um and um the play The God

597
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:47.039
Couple. Where is that opening?
I don't know yet. I mean we

598
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.079
had a theater, and so we
can get a theater. The money is

599
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:58.079
there, and actually the music is
good and if we get good reviews not

600
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.599
Wood Okay, so maybe La.
You're thinking, oh, I think we

601
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:04.679
could open in La. I mean
I have there's a feater that I can

602
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.039
probably do it in La. But
first we got to do it in Portland

603
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:12.880
because that's where we all are.
And I see that that would be wonderful

604
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.239
because I like to direct and the
tricker directing. I'll tell you because you

605
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:20.239
wanted to be there. You were. If you're directing a group of people

606
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:22.719
and you're watching what them act and
you're thinking of what you want to buy

607
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:29.559
a Trader Joe's, it means you're
in trouble. I've told it's as simple

608
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.519
as that. The minute you think, I wonder if there's a sale,

609
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:36.039
you know, they have a good
deal and cheese a Trader Joe's today,

610
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:40.320
and you think eric, they say, hold on, I'm thinking Trader Joe's,

611
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.039
let's go back. That's that's really
the tricker. I'm going to tell

612
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:49.960
you that that's a trick in psychology
too. When you're in with a patient.

613
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:54.239
If you find yourself thinking, oh, I can imagine a mooring.

614
00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:00.840
No, but it's not about them
being that's a signal. It's a signal

615
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:05.679
place aren't just randomly boring, you
know, like maybe they're talking about some

616
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:08.599
maybe they're making something up. Maybe
they're not connected to their emotions. Like

617
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:13.920
if you're sitting there thinking about buying
cheese a Trader Joe's, there's something wrong

618
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.079
happening in the room, and you
got to bring yourself in and going what's

619
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:21.599
going on right now. We wouldn't
say I'm thinking about shopping, but you

620
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:28.440
would use that information to That's also
true with teaching acting. I remember once

621
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.199
I was there was a woman who
had been on Broadway and she was doing

622
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:36.719
a monologue and my mind was drifting
and I said, oh, I'm teaching

623
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.840
this lady. I can't drift.
And I was terrified. I was thinking,

624
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:45.760
how do I fix this? This
is a disaster. And ultimately I

625
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:47.639
had a relax. I just her
throat was tight and I noticed it.

626
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:52.880
I just told her and she did
it again and she was wonderful. And

627
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:57.639
I remember I talked to Austin Pendleton
about that. Austin Pendleton is a wonderful

628
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:02.000
director. He's he's written plays.
He was on Broadway with Oh Dad,

629
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:07.679
poor Dad, and he felt the
same way. That happens with everybody,

630
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:12.679
all teachers. So you know,
you're thinking, she's paying me the teacher.

631
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:16.880
I gotta focus. Yeah, so
I totally understand. Yeah, and

632
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:21.960
somebody's just the tiniest little thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well you're

633
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.159
I mean, I don't know.
I'm thinking I've never been to Portland,

634
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:29.880
thinking of taking a trip there next
summer. Maybe I'll ring you up and

635
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.719
you can give me an acting class. We'll see how that goes, right,

636
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.079
Well, I'll do the best,
yeah, right, right, right,

637
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.679
Even though I've already told you how
bad I am at it already,

638
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:45.000
you're probably not that bad. But
yeah, probably not that good either.

639
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.679
I think it can be so killing
at times, you know. Yeah,

640
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:55.039
And a lot of people take it
take it real hard, um, because

641
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:59.760
it's a fantasy. You watch movies, it's a fantasy. And if when

642
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.599
it's good, when acting is good, it's the greatest thing in the world.

643
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.880
There was a period when I was
teaching and I had I directed a

644
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:09.920
whole bunch of hits, and there
was a group of kids you just loved

645
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:13.760
working with me, and I was
directing I Don't Drink the Water, which

646
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:17.679
is one of the funniest shows,
and everybody was happy. Yeah, And

647
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:22.119
I said to them, I said, enjoy this moment, because it doesn't

648
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.880
always happen. This moment there every
now and then you get into a show

649
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.639
when you think and it takes a
long time to build that trust. And

650
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:35.440
everybody just wanted to be there,
yea, And yeah, it's kind of

651
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.400
site all about yeah, yeah,
but then I could could be real sneaky.

652
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:43.480
So yeah, well right, I've
so enjoyed talking to you. I

653
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.360
really appreciate all the stories that you've
told me. And like I said,

654
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:52.559
like it sounds like you have hundreds
more. So um, hopefully we will

655
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:54.800
we will meet again. I love
it. Yeah, good, thank you

656
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:59.280
so much. I'm so glad we
could make this work. Yeah, take

657
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:05.119
care now, Okay, hey everyone, So that was Eric Bowls, Maggie's

658
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.400
dad. What a riot that was, Maggie. I'm so glad that you

659
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:13.719
suggested that. I am so glad
that it happened. I thought it was

660
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.320
I thought it was hilarious. You
know. It's all these stories that I've

661
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:22.039
been hearing from my whole from my
whole life. It's fun to hear them

662
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.320
told to someone else, kind of
all in a line. Well, and

663
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:30.039
he would have just kept going,
you know, like I had a few

664
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:36.159
stories written here, but he was
just thinking of them, like like having

665
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:38.840
grown up in that life, like
I mean, just every moment was a

666
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:44.639
story basically. Yeah. And also
I think he's a storyteller, you know,

667
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.199
so everything that happens to him,
I mean kind of I think it's

668
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:51.840
I think you're very similar and that
like with the reason you started this podcast

669
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:53.960
in the first place is because you're
always going like, this is the ship

670
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:57.880
that happens to me, you know, And I think that's kind of the

671
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.880
same thing. Almost every day he
comes home with a story of some shit

672
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:04.320
that happened to him that day,
and then the family and everybody. We

673
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.400
all have our favorites that we hear
over and over and over again. You

674
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:12.280
know which is your favorite? Um? Oh, jeez, what I should

675
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.920
have had? I should have that
prepared, but I don't. Um,

676
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:19.119
I think you like the James Seymour's
story. I do. I love that

677
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.960
story because I feel like I could
do it too. You know. You

678
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:28.039
know I faked accents at parties.
Have you I had? Yeah? Yeah,

679
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:30.440
I mean it's a fun when you're
when I'm feeling like when well,

680
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.679
I haven't done it since I was
probably in college, but you know,

681
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:37.519
when I'm feeling kind of uncomfortable at
a party, us, I've put on

682
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:43.159
like an Australian accent or an English
accent and just become a totally new person,

683
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.960
and it's like, you know,
social anxiety goes goes right out the

684
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.639
window because I'm no longer me,
you know. Okay, So, but

685
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:54.280
then feeling like such a thing.
As for ruining this, what would be

686
00:51:54.400 --> 00:52:00.679
what could have been a really sweet
and sincere conversation with your own geeked m.

687
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.360
You know, well, I can't
say that I've ever faked an accent.

688
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:08.480
I think I pretended. I'm gonna
be really honest about this. I

689
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:15.360
pretended I had a bar name in
college which was Roxanne. I don't think

690
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:21.280
I ever used it, so I
like I did in my head at the

691
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:28.519
Rock Sand It's like such a vibe
to it. Well, I think I

692
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.840
really wanted to be a Roxanne and
not a Stacy. Like who wants to

693
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:35.119
Who wants to meet someone named Stacy
at a bar? Like you? No

694
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.920
one wants to meet Stacy, but
everyone wants to meet Roxanne. Right.

695
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:43.800
But I don't think I ever actually
did it. I think Roxanne hasn't has

696
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.239
a very cool girl feeling to it. Yeah, I'm going to tell you

697
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:52.440
when I used it. Okay.
I went to a murder mystery party with

698
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.760
my son Zach. Have you ever
been to a murder mystery party? No?

699
00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:00.280
I never have. I highly recommend
you have to go to it least

700
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:06.519
one murder mystery party in your life. And it's so weird and awkward.

701
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.400
So you go to like this one
was in Milwaukee, like at this hotel,

702
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:15.880
and you go for dinner, but
you're and all these other people sign

703
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:21.119
up to be part of like you're
part of it, and there's actors in

704
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:25.599
the room, and someone's going to
get murdered in the room, and then

705
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:29.519
there's the killer there and you have
to figure out who the killer is.

706
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:34.679
And so when you're at this meal, you're like talking to the people at

707
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:40.360
your table and you know, like
collecting like clues and things like that.

708
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:45.960
So here's the funniest thing about it. First of all, I said my

709
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:51.400
name was Roxanne, so it's the
first time I actually ever used my bar

710
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:58.960
name. And Zach said his name
was Sebastian, which was the funniest thing.

711
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:04.599
That must have been his barney maybe, But we I really enjoy talking

712
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.320
to this couple next to us,
you know, this young couple, and

713
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.119
we were you know, you have
to figure out you have to interview everyone,

714
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:16.199
and I was really into it because
that's my thing. And I'm approaching

715
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:20.440
everyone and asking them all the questions, where were you, you know,

716
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:24.760
when this happened, and what's your
connection? And people thought I was the

717
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:30.320
murderer because I was like, so
in everyone's face about all the questions and

718
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:36.000
comparing notes with this couple next to
us, you know, had a great

719
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.719
time. It turns out the couple
next to us were the murderers, and

720
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:44.400
I had no idea. I was
just like, these people are so nice.

721
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:49.440
Wow, they were the murderers.
Yeah, anyway, but do you

722
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.920
think if you had been speaking Stacy
and not rock sand that night, you

723
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:58.159
might have you might figured it out
onto them? Maybe, says maybe better

724
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:00.960
at that stuff than Rock Sae.
He is the true crime aficionado, you

725
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:07.360
know what I mean? Roxanne,
she's just a good time. Yes,

726
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:12.920
Sanna is just a good time.
So you know. Um, so your

727
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.000
dad grew up in this back to
your dad. Your your dad grew up

728
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:19.920
in this house of all actors,
and then you grew up in this house

729
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:23.760
with him him as an actor.
Was anyone else in your family an actor

730
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:27.239
or in show? My mom was
an actor too. Actually that's how they

731
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.599
met. Oh my goodness. Okay, And my brother has taken up acting

732
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:37.760
and over the last maybe five five
to seven years he started doing acting in

733
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.320
stand up and improv and stuff like
that. So yeah, and my cousin

734
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:45.079
also lives in Portland. He's also
an actor, so yeah, a lot

735
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.920
of acting in the family. Yeah, were you brought into like kind of

736
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:52.840
like he was like living amongst you
know, famous people, because your dad

737
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:57.519
and my mom and dad were in
the business. Well so his parents,

738
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:05.400
my dad's parents were were much more
successful in the industry than my dad and

739
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:08.239
my mom were. My mom worked
a little bit growing up or not growing

740
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:13.400
up when she was younger, and
then she kind of moved into other industries.

741
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:15.920
She started in her room a therapy
business, and then she went back

742
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:20.159
to school and now she's a teacher. She's an English teacher. She's a

743
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.599
writer too. She's always been a
writer. But so she she worked a

744
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:29.079
little bit. But I know they
had friends, but I guess there's I

745
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:34.760
guess there's you know, important people
in the industry that you know are in

746
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:38.320
our lives, but not not like
a true industry family, you know what

747
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:44.400
I mean? Okay, yeah,
right, Well, I mean and you

748
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:49.000
know you're in you're in show business. This is show business. Yeah.

749
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.880
Yeah, I definitely stayed in the
in the show business, you know,

750
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:57.039
Arena. I found a music to
be the thing that I enjoyed although I

751
00:56:57.079 --> 00:56:59.880
did some act in growing up too, and I always enjoyed acting, but

752
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:04.119
you know, I feel like you
have to really really enjoy it to want

753
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:07.519
to pursue it. And I always
liked music more so, and writing too,

754
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:12.199
And you know, podcast producing is
something that didn't even exist, you

755
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:15.920
know, twenty years ago, so
right, it's a cool new place to

756
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:20.239
explore all of that. Well,
I want to thank you for connecting me

757
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:24.480
with your dad that I've really enjoyed
him a lot. And yeah, it

758
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:28.039
seems like he had a good time
too, so it was I think he

759
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.519
did good. Good for all of
us. I think he did. Yeah,

760
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:32.639
thanks for talking to him. I
think he really enjoyed it, and

761
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:36.840
I enjoyed listening to it, so
I hope other people. I hope listeners

762
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:42.760
like it too. Yeah, all
right, well, thanks Maggie, we

763
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:49.159
got one more, so see you
then. Thanks for listening to my shit.

764
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:52.000
I really appreciate it. Come back
and hear more shit next time on

765
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.840
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766
00:57:54.880 --> 00:58:00.559
for one podcast episode? Tune in
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767
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