A Life on the Farm

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Honestly, you can't make this shit
up. Hey, everyone, Oscar

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Harding is on the show today.
Oscar is a producer and screenwriter, most

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recently known for his documentary film A
Life on the Farm, A strange story

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from Somerset, England about an eccentric
filmmaking farmer and the inspiring legacy of his

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long lost home movies. I met
Oscar at the Milwaukee Film Festival, where

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his film won the Cream City Jury
Award. Oscar has a personal connection to

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this film, which makes it all
the more interesting. Oscar is also one

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of the founders of Sonderbar Pictures,
a production company focused on developing and producing

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short and feature length narrative and documentary
films. They have some new secret projects

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in the works, and although I
offered my acting services, I'm not sure

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he took me seriously. Oscar is
going to tell us a lot of great

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stories about what it was like to
film a movie during a global pandemic.

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So let's get to the show.
Hi, everyone, welcome to another episode

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of This Shit That Happens to Me
podcast. I'm so excited to be here

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today with my guest, Oscar Harding. Hi. Oscar, how are you?

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I'm good? How are you?
I'm good. So you are a

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bit of a celebrity here in Milwaukee
and probably overseas. I wouldn't go that

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far, but I'll take it.
No, I think so, I'm I

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almost think you had a little blue
check by your name in Okay. Yeah,

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but you are one of the co
founders of Sunderbar Pictures, which is

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a film company. Correct it is. Indeed, it's spread now between initially

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started London with my two partners,
but now it's sproken to Milwaukee, London

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and Sydney, so you can imagine
the time differences. Are fun to plan

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meetings, Oh yes, absolutely,
It's hard enough for me to plan meetings

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with straw Hut and they're only in
California. But I hope that made Tyler

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chuckle on the other end. But
you you just created. You just made

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this film called Life on the Farm, and so that's gotten all kinds of

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fun recognition and stuff. So let's
let's here, and that's how I'm supposed

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to say to you, how did
I meet you? But I'm so excited

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that I just went to the punchline
right away. That's how I met you.

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So tell us about your film.
Absolutely. So, this took about

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four years to make and we've started
to get more to announcements. I can't

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reveal them yet. I wish I
could, but they're very, very exciting,

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some of the biggest of my career
certainly. So there's more announcements coming

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soon for the film itself. Yeah, it's really excited. Just I'm bursting

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to tell people. But we've got
our UK and our European premiere. I

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can't say anything more than that.
I wish I could. I really want

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to. So the film my grandfather, my late grandfather, I should say,

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in the rural English county of Somerset. If people have ever seen the

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movies Straw Dogs and Hot Fuzz,
that might give you a little idea of

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where this takes place. Yeah,
he passed away in two thousand and six.

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So the family goes to his house
and we're claring his possessions and one

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of my aunts rediscovers this videotape and
they had vague recollections of all his neighbor

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had given it to him, some
farmer because this is a very rural area.

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So she digitized to put on DVD, and my dad and I and

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my kids sister, we sit down
to watch it. He vaguely remembers watching

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from years back. This was made
in the eighties by this neighbor called Charles

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Carston, and he switched off the
tape halfway through. So I kind of

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have all these images and grained in
my mind, and for over a decade,

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I'm wondering what was on the other
half of that tape. And then

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I bring it up in conversations with
my aunts. We'd lost our couple of

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years ago when we moved house,
and she casually goes, oh, yeah,

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I'm surprised you never asked me.
I have a copy here. So

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I sit down and watch this movie, and everyone thinks I'm sort of hyping

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this up to market it, but
I promised the easiest way to describe this

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home movie, this feature length home
movie called Life on the Farm. Is

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it's Monty Python meets the Texas Chainsaw
Massacre, and you've seen the movie.

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I think that's a I think.
So we went around the UK and then

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eventually came to the US and to
Northern Ireland finding out Charles's life story.

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And there's all kinds of twists and
turns around the way that I don't want

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to give away in case people would
like to see it and have the surprises

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kept. I assume when you went
in, you went in pretty blind.

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It was all coming new to you. Absolutely. So um. I went

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to see the film at the Milwaukee
Film Festival, and I had found out

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about it because you are a Murderino. She got me into it, yes,

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and so you had posted something on
the Milwaukee and probably the Wisconsin Murderino

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page, and I thought, oh, this looks like fun. Let's go

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see this movie. And one of
the things about all I kind of one

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of the things I knew about the
movie was that Karen Kilgareth has a has

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a role in it, you know, because it's a documentary, so she's

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talking about her reactions to the film, and so that was you know,

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very exciting for all the murderinos.
And so I went with my friend m

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to see the movie, yeah,
not really knowing much about it. Like

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I saw the preview and it looked
kind of kooky. You know, this

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guy, Charles Carson looks kind of
kooky. And it was much more more

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than I even thought it was going
to be, which was so exciting,

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Like it's can I say, can
I say why? Like I know it's

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not that I want to keep it
a secret, but also the home movies

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themselves, I mean, we talk
about some of the earlier stuff. So

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it starts off normal enough and he's
repeating himself constantly, and then it starts

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to turn a little bit odd when
he has a funeral for one of his

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cats. Yes, and it all
just kind of spirals from there. But

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you know, you were at the
I think the second screening, and that

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was a great one to just watch
everyone's reactions and the way we kind of

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made the movie. If you sit
down to watch, you go on the

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exact same journey we did from watching
this stuff to try and figure out what

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the hell's happening. As it gets
darker and more twisted and weird on the

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surface, of it. So then
finding out, you know, it turns

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into this surprisingly sweet story about this
man and he leaves by this incredible legacy

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internationally on his wildest dreams. Well, and that's the beauty of what you

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did, Oscar. I mean,
I don't really know much about making a

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movie, but it's not it's very
hard. Well that's that's what I hope

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we're going to talk about. But
um, it wasn't just like you know,

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you weren't just like we're playing this
this very strange you know, man's

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movies. But you you were able
to really like bring us all into that,

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like his humanity, and you know
it, you did just a beautiful

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job of you know, putting it
all together for us and telling us the

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story. And um, you won, you won all of these like you

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won the award at the MILAM.
I was a complete surprise because I was

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fortunate to see a lot of the
lineup and being a local movie on you

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a lot of the other filmmakers.
I thought, it's an honor. And

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everyone says this and they you know, they say they don't mean it,

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but really for it to be and
what is now my hometown was there just

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the biggest honor to get to screenings
is amazing. Go to the awards we

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set, I'm, you know,
kind of placing bets and friends, but

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who was going to win? And
my wife was should I even come because

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I've worked deadlines like I'm not gonna
win. I'm just gonna grabte drinks a

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come. I wish I'd told you
to come. And then they just yeah,

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called my name. My jaw dropped. I'm absolutely in shock still,

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and for it's come from Milwaukee means
the world. Absolutely. Yeah, that

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was really it was so I felt
like I was connected to it somehow,

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even though I'm not connected to it
at all other than I saw the movie

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and I met you that day.
But um, yeah, so I felt

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really, you know, happy for
you. What was the name of the

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award that you want at the film
Bust, the Cream City Jury Cinema Cream

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City Cinema Jury Award. Yeah yeah, so, um I think I even

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talked about it on one of the
other episodes because I saw a second movie

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that wasn't very good. But I
won't name any names, no, no,

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so um so yeah, so tell
me um some I'm sure there was

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you know, so it took you
four years to make this film, and

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I'm sure there were all kinds of
you know, like shit that happened to

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you along the way. So um, let's let's hear. Let's hear what

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happened in making it. You can
tell me the good stuff and the bad

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stuff whatever. So bro, I'm
trying to think probably the biggest ship moment

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was it was the rap day.
Actually, so this movie we started shooting

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it in twenty nineteen, and we'll
get into how this basically became a movie

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where I wasn't present to shoot over
half the movie. Right. That was

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fun, Thanks COVID. But I'm
in Savannah, Georgia, and it's my

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wife's very good friend's wedding and there's
this one person in the film, and

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I don't want to give away who
it is because this person is very,

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very reclusive. It's this person,
this first person's this person's first time on

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screen in almost forty years, and
it was a big get. This person

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is lovely, but the very secret
for various reasons which are very understandable.

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You'll see who this person is in
the film. But it took me two

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years to track them down and a
lot of back and forth over the course

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of maybe six, seven, eight, nine months involving this person's family members

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to convince them to come on board
because they play a key role which they

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didn't know about in Charles's story.
So this is the biggest achievement. I

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had sort of written off this person, go We'll make the movie without involving

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them, just because I can't get
in touch with them. So it's the

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big day and it's five am,
so you're in sweltering heat and Savannah.

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I promised myself I wouldn't drink on
the wedding day. So it's five am.

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I'm hungover. We have an airbnb
with my wife's entire family, so

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I'm trying to wake them up.
You know, I'm trying to just hold

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it together when it's just this piercing
headache, trying to do all this over

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zoom in a hotel in London when
we didn't really have the budget to get

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this hotel. But so that's what
movie making is. I suppose that was

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pretty painful. So we wrapped that
and then I immediately jump onto a zoom

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call in New York to do what
is the fourth reshoot with a couple of

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subjects here in the film. So
first time it was great. That the

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audio and the video quality who wasn't
great? Second time, the lighting was

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screwed up, Third time, the
sound was screwed up. Fourth time.

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Finally we get it done and then
we've got to drive eight nine hours back

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to Milwaukee that same day. So
it should have been a real celebration.

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I could have been more miserable.
So you said something about a zoom shoot,

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tell us about that. Absolutely.
So we started shooting this in twenty

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nineteen. I still lived in my
native England at that point, and things

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were going well. We were studying
to wheeze into this. We'd only just

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started production, was still figuring all
this stuff about Charles's life and meeting people

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who knew him. And we didn't
even know the biggest west in terms of

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his life story yet, so it's
still very early days. This was going

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to be a short originally, and
we were making this out of our own

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park of no money basically, so
we you know, were a few months

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into this and then I get a
job off from the United States and my

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wife lived out here in Milwaukee.
We met when I was an exchange student

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up at the UWM here. So
I just tell the production partners look We've

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got a good amount of stuff in
the can. Let's start editing this together,

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maybe as a proof of concept,
and then I'll come back in summer

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twenty twenty and we'll finish the whole
thing off. Sure you well, we

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all know how that one. Yeah. So we're there, and we've got

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some Americans on board as producers,
and we started kickstart a campaign in the

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middle of I think the second recession
of my lifetime. So that's always fun

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saying hello, please give us money
for this ridiculous little film that wasn't even

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a feature at that point, or
it was about to stet into a feature.

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We've found more of Charles's footage and
his life story, and I'm there

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trying to direct this film, and
we have pressure on us because now we

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have tens of thousands of dollars involved. So I can't leave Wisconsin. My

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partners can't come over to the US, I can't go over to the UK.

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There's still a travel ban, and
they can't pretty much go anywhere out

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of England within the UK to shoot
this thing. So Karen, I've not

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met her in person. That was
all done on FaceTime a couple other people

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in LA and never met them shot
a bunch of stuff in New York.

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I wasn't even there, So who
are hiring people who I've never even met?

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But I'm doing this over zoom and
all kinds of different time differences.

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I'm helping prep my two production partners, one of whom was the assistant director.

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The other one was the director of
photography. So I'm going to bed

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waking up with all this footage shots
and I'm just praying it's exactly what we

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wanted. And a big part of
documentary filmmakers you've got to develop a relationship

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of trust with these other people,
especially when it's involving one who you know

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has passed away. Isn't there to
talk for themselves and defend themselves to tell

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the story. So you want to
make sure that you're being respectful. And

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the problem is when you're shouting down
Skype to the sort of eighty year old

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person who's very hard of hearing,
trying to make sure that you know they

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trust they trust me enough to get
people they've not even gotten the phone with

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to go and meet them with masks
with social distancing, to go and tell

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this story about this guy who has
been dead for over a decade at this

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point, and they're barely remembering stories. I suppose a one guy who's ninety

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five years old, So I'm screaming
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hard of hearing, trying to convince
him and he doesn't remember any stories.

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That took me about fifteen minutes to
remind him who Charlie Carson was. So

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yeah, there was about a year
of just ringing around every single person who

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probably ever knew him ever, trying
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and trying to tell them, oh, great, you come on board.

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Now I'm not going to be there. Yeah, you're going to have

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to meet my two other partners.
I promised they're nice, and I'm not

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even there to interview because the problem
these are rural areas with the reception is

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horrible. So then my assistant director
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can't imagine a worse way to make
a film. But all involved, Oh

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my goodness, you did it,
you did it, and it's a beautiful

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film. Oh my goodness. So
you have these other people in these other

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locations like camp camp, like cameraman
and yes, camera sound, all of

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the above, right, and they're
all there, and then y're somehow on

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someone's phone maybe or their computer doing
FaceTime or zoom or whatever you're doing,

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and watching watching them film this interview. And well, the thing is,

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I'm technically part of it. So
they set me on a camera laptop just

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out of frame. It's all pointed
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to do back and forth with my
cinematographer who's in London. He's a horrible

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reception. I can't get him on
the course. So I have to get

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my cameraman in LA to take a
picture of his camera monitor. He sends

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it to me. I have to
email that to my cinematographer in London.

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Wait for him, go now move
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absolutely painful, and karenter Credit was
had the patience of a saint. Yeah.

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I think you can write a manual
about this. Now, how to

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film a movie and you know,
three different locations all at once. Oh

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my goodness. Wow, that's that's
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a film away again. No,
of course, now no, no,

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I mean I don't know when Monkey
Parks comes, who knows what what we'll

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have to be doing that I'm going
to get in a bubble and I'll just

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drive for the Yeah. Yeah,
I mean aside from all of those stories,

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I mean any other like, um, crazy things that happened during the

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filming. During the filming, I
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so staggered, and a lot of
it is remote. It's kind of hard

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to have crazy stories. So I
was kind of thinking of crazy. There

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was one documentary we almost made about
shit that happened to me. Yeah,

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and then we scrapped it just because
things won't work out with kind of legal

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issues and all kinds of stuff.
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of the most powerful cult leaders in
India and a convicted murderer and that didn't

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go ahead, which might be for
the best probably. Yeah, pretty extraordinary

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story. Oh boy, Well,
so this is not the only film that

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you've made. You've made some other
film, so Kenach has a little bit

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about those. Sure. So I've
largely worked on other people's movies and long

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after they've made them, because I
have a background in distribution and marketing and

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social media promotion that kind of thing. So I'm kind of hearing crazy stories

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that have happened and I'm not there
but I've made plenty of films in my

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own right now, a lot smaller
them modering my college days. Probably the

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worst one was it was the first
time I had made a big, big

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short film of my own money.
I've raised about three grand, so I

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shoot every penny is of my own. Pretty much my partner so I still

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work with. So I'm one of
the actors in it. And We've got

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this beautiful field and this farm in
the middle of nowhere for one day.

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It's the It's in the nineties temperature
wise. I have a swap team dressed

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up in just this thick, heavy
black clothing, and we have no ac

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because we're in the middle of nowhere. It's all these big monologues that I've

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got to give. And it was
the worst time of year for the certain

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crop harvest, and I had the
worst havee but so we had lost our

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makeup person. They'd driven off after
getting everyone set up, and then all

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of a sudden, this havever kicks
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I'm trying to give this big monologue. My eyes are sort of red and

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puffy and streaming, and we try
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the camera so it doesn't look like
I'm in the middle of the worst hay

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fever attack in my life. And
that was the sort of six seven hours

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shoots in ninety degree heats that was
not fun. So that that film didn't

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win any awards. Then that one, That one took about three years to

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make because all the visual effects was
on my one partner. He works on

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Star Wars, he works on Jurassic
Worlds, but everything was on him and

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his computer broke down halfway through,
so that took three is to release.

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didn't know. Does it normally, I

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mean, I don't know what anything
about making a film. Does it normally

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take that long to make a film? Well, not necessarily. We shot

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the thing about two weeks and then
it was three years of post production,

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which was just miserable. And then
you've run out of money. Yeah,

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I don't want to get people to
do it for free or any of the

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crap they say of oh, do
it for the exposure. And I've just

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been very lucky to work very talented
people who've done it for next to no

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money and they've gone on to bigger
and better things, and rightly so yeah.

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Well, now you will be two
fingers crossed will say yeah, so

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you act as well and you write
right, yes, acting, I am

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long past those days. That's just
one of those things when you're in college

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and no one will do it,
so you just have to step in front

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of the camera and do it yourself. I'm not much of an actor.

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I'd rather hire people who know what
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talked about this. I mean,
I used to think I wanted to be

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an actor. I love films and
you know, plays and everything like that.

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And I used to try out for
every play in high school and um,

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the director and he was a great
guy. Name was James Batts.

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He was such a great guy.
He always made me the assistant director.

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And I should have known that that
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Um. But you know, and
then I remember, you know,

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productions. I just like, I'm
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did that, um, but didn't
didn't get any parts. So you know,

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and you know, wanting to be
on that scene. Just just hearing you

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talk about, you know, some
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a much better so coologist then I
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an actor, um, and I'm
probably ah, I was gonna say,

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a mediocre podcaster. But no,
I think, like I think I think

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of anything, this is this is
my I'm better at this being yeah,

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my calling, thank you, just
being me, you know, and talking

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to people and maybe telling some funny
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which I wasn't. I don't think
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no, I did not particularly enjoy
my very brief acting extent I was in.

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I was in Damn Yankees as an
exchange student in Milwaukee, and it

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was maybe the most miserab books French
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Let's hear, let's hear more?
Tell us more about that? So I

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just thought it would be fun to
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thing going was Damn Yankees the musical. I auditioned and did the kind of

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cringe worthy thing every young actor does
where they do the Alec Baldwin monologue from

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Glen Garry Glen Ross. At the
time, you think this is the most

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original monologue anyone could ever do.
I'm the best actor in existence, and

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then got relegated to an extra pretty
much quite rightly. So yeah, but

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put it this way, if anyone
seemed glee. American theater kids are a

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very very very different breeds. The
British take acting very seriously, but in

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a different way. They sit more
as a day job. So you sort

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of hear these stories of how Laurence
Olivier sort of witheringly looks at Dustin Hoffman

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for being met and and just saying
it's called acting, dear boy. So

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this is a very different culture to
me. And I have some friends who

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have theater kids and then the loveliest
people, but it feels very life for

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death and dent life or death intense, and I'm just sat there in the

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corner just waiting for rehearsals to end. And the directors take it a lot

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more seriously, and even in college, so they're sort of five days out

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of my week, um, sort
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four hour rehearsals a day, just
to be an extra in Damn Yankees,

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and it could not have ended sooner, so you didn't actually, oh,

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you were an extra. So I
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the choreography, and I have two
left feet, so I tried to avoid

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dancing where I camp. But that's
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that's that's a lot. Oh yes, yeah, yeah I would. I

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would not recommend unless you take acting
very seriously and you're planning to do it

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for a living. Yeah. I
don't know why. I think I can

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just like waltz in and you know, like I was an extra. Um

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last February, someone was making a
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someone shared it on in Urderino group
and I was like, oh, I'm

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free, I'm gonna I can go
do that. So I don't know.

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There's a lot of standing around,
a lot of the Weather's not so bad,

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right and it was pretty cold out. But yeah, but it was

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fun. It was fun, you
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So so you're from England and it
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I did remember. I do remember
them running through those fields. So that's

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literally like where you grew up.
That was maybe fifteen minutes drive. Because

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that movie is set in the city
where the director of Edgar Wright grew up.

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That's about fifteen minutes from me,
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city. And I've never been more
devastated. I was spending New Year's with

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my family. My wife was over
and she and I both love Nicholas Cage

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and he has he has a home
in the nearby city of Bath, which

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you might have heard of Jane Austen, very famous picturesque English town. And

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the next day I'm just on social
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this pub that I know about a
twenty minute drive away, and he was

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spending New Years there within twenty minutes
drive. Even having New Year's Eve with

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Nicholas Cage. Yeah, I've never
been more furious that I missed that.

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Oh yeah, for sure. Opportunity. Yeah, a missed opportunity. Well,

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I think that you should invite him
to screening. I'd love to if

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he ends up anywhere near it,
as you can't tell us about now,

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I wish I could. Can you
give me, can you give me some

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hand signal? Like can you tell
me? Are you gonna be like no,

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no, no, that they were
very nice about it. They got

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some lovely feedback. We just want
a good fit. I can tell you

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we're doing the US again, We're
doing Canada again. I've got our UK

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and European premiere. And I would
say anything more than that, I'll probably

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be shot. So okay, okay, I wish I could say, well,

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it's coming in a few weeks,
that's what. Yeah, all right,

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so there'll be a big announcement then, oh yes, yeah, I'm

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looking forward to it. So the
average person, like, how would they

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see the film? Would they have
beside while coming to one of these you

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know, um screenings or film festivals? Is there other ways to see the

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film? Well, this is the
one of the joys of no budget indie

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filmmaking. We are currently playing festivals
around the world at different times, and

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right now that's the only place you
can see it. Okay. The people

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do the kickstart of the beginning their
DVDs pretty soon, so the people invested

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at the start, they will begin
to see it soon. Okay. Well

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for your average person, and believe
me, all we want to do is

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share Charles a story with the rest
of the world. That's going to come

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as soon as we can either get
distribution or we don't get distribution. We

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have to distribute ourselves and it will
go on streaming, VOD that kind of

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thing. But that probably won't be
until next year. And I just hate

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happy that I have family members saying, oh, when can we say and

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I would tell them wait around another
nine months, then we'll talk. Well,

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they could go to the film festivals
right right, and do some of

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the film festivals also streamed a movie. They do, So we're actually streaming

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in Australia the entirety of Australia for
the entirety of July, so there'll be

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multiple opportunities. And then again I
can't say where it is, but there'll

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be opportunities in Canada in the US
to stream it again in the coming months.

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Okay, but yeah, probably the
best thing is just to keep an

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eye on all social media pages,
yeah, for sure. And you can

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see the trailer there which is which
is very funny. So I want to

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go back to that for a minute, because well, first of all,

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so I was at the second screening. I inadvertently bought a ticket for the

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first screening and showed up on the
second screening day, which apparently I wasn't

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the only person who did. That's
the ship that happens to me all the

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time. I come home and tell
my husband and he goes, don't you

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like look at those things more carefully? And I was like, yeah,

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I thought that I did anyway,
So it were I mean one of the

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kind of really fun things was the
audience, Like you must have known a

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lot of people in the audience right
there was this was the big test because

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obviously it's a lot easier and all
your friends and family are there and they

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go, this is the greatest film
ever made. Yeah, Cloud nine.

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But pretty much everyone I knew was
that the world premiere, which was the

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first screen, which you weren't able
to go to. Okay, so that

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was a lot smaller. It was
Sunday at you know, sort of nine

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at night, so you know,
it was a lovely little cinema. Yeah,

408
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it's a weird kind of time.
You know, parents have got to

409
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.400
look after the kids as a school
not that kind of thing. So I

410
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.200
didn't know a whole lot of people
At the second screening that was about twice

411
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:45.880
as busy. So I was really
nervous because if people hated it, it's

412
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.400
going to be very, very obvious. But that one turned out even better,

413
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:55.079
which is great. So people were
very you know, like really into

414
00:29:55.160 --> 00:30:00.400
it that I thought that they knew
you so, but that was the good

415
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:07.079
thing because everyone watching was reacting the
exact same way we reacted. Every time

416
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.519
we'd showed the footage, someone including
people who Numa, had never seen it.

417
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.119
They oh, Charlie was a filmmaker, was he? And then you

418
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:17.279
showed them this footage and you know
a lot of these people didn't know this

419
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:22.559
side to his life. Yeah right, oh boy, so many sides to

420
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:27.759
that man's life. But so,
and what's the light going to these film

421
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:33.880
festivals? Because I know so there
was like a meet up prior at this

422
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:40.000
bar and it was pouring rain that
night, by the way, that was

423
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.799
just serrential rainstorm, and you're everyone
to come out on that. Yeah,

424
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:48.920
but you know, like, um, I thought the meet up, Well,

425
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.759
tell me what you thought about that
meet up or just like this whole

426
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:56.000
like, you know, festival thing. I don't know what step been like.

427
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.200
Sure, well, you know it's
tough. It's tougher festivals over the

428
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:06.279
last couple years because obviously no one's
been going to So the thing is this

429
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:11.279
is your first feature film, it's
your hometown, it's the world premiere screenings.

430
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.519
It's going to be pretty you know, bad if no one really shows

431
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.720
up and it's just dead quiet.
So best to get a little bit of

432
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.319
Dutch courage and people and somewhere nearer
by enough that they can stagger over the

433
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:27.880
few drinks them didn't the cerrential downpour, but that's that's probably my favorite bar

434
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:32.039
in the city. So it's just
nice to have everyone there. We had,

435
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.079
we had the Murderingos, we had
the Melindas, that is the fan

436
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:38.119
base for two of the people who
are in the film, who are also

437
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:41.920
producers on it. And then you
know, I've got people from work there.

438
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.279
I've got some family there, I've
got some friends there. It's just,

439
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.160
you know, it's like at a
wedding rights of all these different people,

440
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:53.119
all these different facets of your life
coming together, and you just don't

441
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:57.359
ever expect that bizarre combination of people
making small to oh, how do you

442
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.200
know so and so it's because of
him? Right? Did you say the

443
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:07.160
Melendos, Like there's other people who
have who have named themselves like the Murderinos.

444
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:13.119
Yeah. Yeah, So we had
the Melinda Murderino Meetup Month. Essentially

445
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:17.160
a lot of m's who and who
are the Melendo's answer? So this is

446
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:22.799
the Found Footage Festival. So when
I moved here and we couldn't film anything

447
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:24.920
in the UK and this before COVID, I thought, well, I'm in

448
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.200
America. There's plenty of comedians who
make a living finding crazy stuff like this.

449
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:32.519
Why don't I show it to them
and get their thoughts on it?

450
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:36.920
And every single one I send it
to them not only were like, yeah,

451
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.160
sure whatever, fine, but they
were asking me questions. So I'm

452
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:43.880
getting interview at the same time I'm
interviewing them. And two of these people,

453
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.200
Nick and Joe, who you see
in the film, they're the Found

454
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.279
Footage Festival. They came on board
as investors, they came on board as

455
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:55.680
producers, and the Melendas are their
fan base and they factor into Charles's story

456
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.200
a lot more than some of the
other Americans who were in it. Like

457
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:04.599
like Karen, I've never heard of
this Found Footage Festival. I I loved

458
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.640
them before I had even met them, so it was great to me.

459
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.920
They can read of their names,
these guys as Joe Pickett and Nick Prue,

460
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.119
and they've just been the absolute heroes
of this film, Like it wouldn't

461
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.880
be as good a movie without them. So this is a thing people like

462
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:24.960
find add footage like in their like
attic or something, or or someone else's

463
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.799
attic. Well, yeah, other
people's atticts. Thrift stores is the big

464
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.039
one. Nick and Jones or the
other people who are in the movie.

465
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:36.559
It's got to the point where their
fan bases are big enough that people send

466
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:42.079
them stuff and that's the really interesting
stuff. Okay, okay, huh,

467
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.359
well that's no. There's a whole
subculture there which I really wasn't aware of

468
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:52.000
before diving into this. Yeah,
and okay, so that that got me

469
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.799
a little off. But so so
when you do these festivals, Like one

470
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.839
of the things that occurred to me
was you were saying, like a wedding,

471
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.160
like you you have to smile for
like eight hours straight because now people

472
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:06.680
are all coming like to see your
film, and you have to kind of

473
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.119
act interested in them, and you
know, meet a lot of new people

474
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:13.239
and you know they're saying great film. You're like, thank you very much,

475
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.000
and you know, so that's I
would imagine that's somewhat exhausting. Also,

476
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.960
well, yeah, it's nice when
the festival was very generous with complimentary

477
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.480
drinks before and after the screening,
so that I helped steady the nerves.

478
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:30.239
Yeah. I mean we've only just
started the festival cycle, so I know

479
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.679
filmmakers who are very, very jaded, and I haven't got to that point

480
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:36.960
yet. I hope it's a while, but you know, we're about to

481
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.440
Yeah, we're about to hit the
road in a big way. So that's

482
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:45.679
going to be fun to figure that
out. Yeah. Yeah, I think

483
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.679
the film festival. I mean I
I act like I'm an expert. I've

484
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:53.639
been to Sundance once sou but that
was really exciting and really a lot of

485
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.480
fun. And yeah, I imagine
it's stressful to you know, have a

486
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.679
film, you know, be acting
or you know directing, or you hear

487
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.320
about the Can Film Festival where there's
sort of twenty minutes standing ovations or people

488
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:12.039
boo and walk out. Oh I
would hope I don't ever have to screen

489
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.800
it Can because that justus like a
different kind of nightmare. Yeah. Then

490
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.159
in the in the kind of summer
heat and the South France, they insist

491
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:23.639
on black tie. You can't wear
the T shirt and shorts. Yeah,

492
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:29.559
so you didn't submit the film there. No, I did not think we

493
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:35.760
were a good fit for the French
right, okay, so what other projects

494
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.519
are you working on? What's next? Because you're probably always like two or

495
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.920
three steps ahead, right, Yeah. No, we're already shooting our next

496
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:47.320
stock And all I can say is
it's about an exiled ruler. And I'm

497
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.440
not allowed to say any more than
that. I hate to be one of

498
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.000
those people. Is a loose Yeah, yeah, so much in the works

499
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.719
right now that Yeah, you don't
want to let anything slip. But it's

500
00:35:54.760 --> 00:36:00.000
about an exiled ruler. Huh.
Okay, it's a Dutch manory. Yes,

501
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.920
it's an exiled ruler. Who uh. One of the territories he claimed

502
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:13.920
was about an eighth of Antarctica Okay, huh claimed it? Yeah, very

503
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:17.800
different terms. Interesting. That's the
next big ones that's shooting in Milwaukee this

504
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.840
summer, okay. Huh. Well, if you need any extras, oh

505
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:29.360
absolutely, I just told you I'm
like a mediocre actress. But you know,

506
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:36.039
yes, let's do it. I
would love to do. You have

507
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.079
to find the budget for that first, yeah, yeah, yeah, I

508
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:43.760
would. I would pay for it
if to have an opportunity to go there

509
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:47.480
and be in your film. You're
like, well, now i'd pay for

510
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:51.760
the opportunity as well. Be amazing. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

511
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:58.400
Um and so is our Is that
going to be your your niche? Your

512
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:02.599
niche niche is just the documentaries.
Well again, that's a funny story.

513
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:07.159
We'd set up this company in college
and everything we'd shot had been you know,

514
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:10.159
science fiction, comedy, that kind
of thing. The plan was always

515
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.639
we're going to make narrative stuff.
We're going to do script and stuff.

516
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.239
I love documentaries, always did,
but I thought, well, we're never

517
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:20.559
going to find the right story.
And that's such a different skill set.

518
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.599
You don't just you know, swager
in and go yeah, I can make

519
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.800
a documentary. That's easy, right, It's a very different kind of filmmaking.

520
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.480
And then this tape fell back into
my lap, and you know,

521
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:34.239
we just had to make it.
And then this other story comes along when

522
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.400
I'm living here, Okay, I
guess I'm in this little niche now.

523
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.480
But I'm hoping to dance around.
Everyone says that, and then you know,

524
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:44.400
trying to be a filmmaker and also
pay the bills, it's not a

525
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.159
lot of fun. So you follow
the money, right, right, and

526
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.039
do you still have So you came
here because you've got a job here.

527
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.559
Yeah, so I had. I
had been a long distance relationship with my

528
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:59.800
now wife, Yeah, about three
d years, so that it's not easy

529
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.440
for it has been long distance relationships
and then this opportunity to come up.

530
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.360
Milwaukee's always basically been at home.
I'd come over whenever I could when we

531
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:09.320
were dating, and then, yeah, it's been home over since it's going

532
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:14.519
to be home for the long run
now. And how long have you lived

533
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:19.920
in Milwaukee? Um? Well,
I tell people that I moved here temporarily

534
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:27.000
almost twenty Yeah, twenty seven years
ago. So you'll be leaving anytime soon,

535
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.079
you're great? Yeah? Yeah,
Well, you know, I was

536
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:37.480
never supposed to live here. I'm
from Chicago, and I met my husband,

537
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.880
Steve, who's from Milwaukee, and
we met in Chicago, and we

538
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.800
went to the East Coast to do
our training, and we were supposed to

539
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:52.360
come back to Chicago duh. But
he couldn't find a job in Chicago right

540
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:57.480
away. He's a scientist, so
we moved to Milwaukee temporarily because he was

541
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.280
offered and as a psychologist, I
can work anywhere, you know, so

542
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:06.159
we moved to Milwaukee temporarily because he
got a job offer, and then you

543
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.400
know, like you start having kids, you get settled in a place it's

544
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:14.480
a low hard to move then yeah, yeah, yeah, and so but

545
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.679
we've had like a really great life
here. It's it's I mean, there's

546
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.440
like things that aren't great about it, of course, but we can say

547
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:27.159
that about anywhere. It's funny,
Lackey was my fifth choice. When you

548
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.159
so when you're at college, numbered
your choices. Yeah. The way it

549
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.920
works, or the British college system
is when you go to America on the

550
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:38.519
exchange system, you have to choose
from the system network of British of American

551
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:42.480
colleges. They give you a choice
of five, so you know, rank

552
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:46.480
it from most favorable to least.
So I've got three California ones because obviously

553
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:51.639
naive idiot starting at eighteen year old, I'm going to go to California and

554
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:54.239
make movies. Then you realize you
dodged a bullet because it's just wildfires and

555
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:58.719
rent costs of fortunes. So I
think I dodged a bullet. That yeah,

556
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:00.440
fourth one, I was just you
know, pulling them out of my

557
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.159
ass and go oh, I know
someone who went to Massachusetts. I'll,

558
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:07.639
you know, put Massachusetts my fourth, so then you start with the fifth.

559
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.159
I didn't really want to go anywhere
in the Southwest. There wasn't anywhere

560
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:15.920
down south that really interested me.
Saw some articles saying that Milwaukee one of

561
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.039
the top film schools in the country. I was doing a history degree on

562
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:22.079
a film degree, so I thought, I'll just put this down. Maybe

563
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.400
if it's you know, I'm stuck
here, I will just meet a few

564
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:30.639
people to make films with. And
I'm thinking it's California, worst case scenario,

565
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.559
Massachusetts. About three months later,
I get a letter saying, congratulations,

566
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.559
You're going to Milwaukee. First thing
I had to do was going Google

567
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.039
Maps and find out where it was
and what Wisconsin was, because no one

568
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:49.039
really wants Wisconsin. I was,
no, but the best thing that could

569
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:55.039
happen. It's really it's really it's
a very nice place to live. And

570
00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.239
I've been able to be, you
know, very successful, like in my

571
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.920
chosen career. You know, here
in Milwaukee, and you know, I'm

572
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.519
at the university for the last five
years, and you know, there's just

573
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:13.840
a lot of really great smart people
there, and um, I mean the

574
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:17.320
winters are long for sure, but
you know that's not Milwaukee spot. Um,

575
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.360
we have beautiful, fun summers.
And you know, the city has

576
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.679
really grown since I've moved here.
Like when I first came, there was

577
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:30.400
nothing there was I was I was
having Starbucks coffee delivered, like there was

578
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:36.880
no boys to get like a good
cup of coffee. And yeah, and

579
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.400
so like yeah, there's like five
places like just within like a mile now.

580
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:46.119
Um, so I still I miss
Chicago. Um, and I would

581
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:51.719
go and visit um often, but
my parents are past now, so I

582
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:53.960
have less of a reason to like
and I I mean like the city I

583
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:59.239
loved in the City of Chicago,
but um, I know, like you

584
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:00.800
know, my cousin lived there for
many years. She couldn't wait to leave

585
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:06.880
Chicago because the crime and it was
so expensive and you know everything. But

586
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.360
I think that's pretty much any Yeah, for sure, we consider moving to

587
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:15.639
New York, We consider moving to
LA And yeah, I'm very happy staying

588
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.840
for being able to afford to keep
a roof over man and actually have food

589
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:22.000
on the table. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And now you know my

590
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.280
kids are here and so you know, um, it's really it's nice to

591
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.800
it's nice to live here. So
so, UM, I have one other

592
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:36.639
question. Are you are you a
soccer player? In the soccer picture,

593
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:44.199
I'm a terrible soccer player. Are
you talking about the Photoways sent you?

594
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.760
No? Um, I'm this is
just I I told you you're a bit

595
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.599
of a celebrity. This is like
the first thing that came up on Google.

596
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:55.119
Um, men's men's soccer must be
I didn't think there are many ol

597
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:59.239
s garidings, but that one's definitely
not me. That was not you do

598
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.559
not want me on your team?
Okay, what you played? Do you

599
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:06.880
played soccer when? I mean just
when you're in school. It's the kind

600
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.519
of thing everyone plays the playground.
But I was absolutely one of those kids

601
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:15.599
who's picked last on the team.
And I'm kind of glad they did.

602
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:20.440
You know, you kind of get
dragged into Rugby is a sport I'm not

603
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.440
a fan of, but you would
get roped into it. Of course they

604
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.000
say, right, well, you
can't wear your glasses, You've got to

605
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:29.280
play this violent contact sport. Great, so I can't see what the hell

606
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:31.280
do you want me to do?
So I feel like Calvin and Calvin Hobbs.

607
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:35.679
They just sent me way back to
the end of the field and I'm

608
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.320
just standing there in the freezing rain
as a kid, and the MUDs just

609
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:43.199
waiting to get off the rugby pitch. And it was the same with cricket

610
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:49.719
in the sweltering heat. Yeah,
not a cricket player either. So I'm

611
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:55.280
I'm now wondering if when I said
soccer you thought I meant football. Yeah,

612
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:59.199
that's the problem. You get so
conditioned after you life. I immediately

613
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:04.559
know, yeah, because my dad's
the world's biggest Liverpool supporters, So oh,

614
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.519
okay, I'm kept up to day
and what's happening with soccer? Okay,

615
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:12.719
and you watched ted Lasso and everything
like that. My funnily enough of

616
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:17.000
our assistant director is in the pilot
of ted Lasso. Really well, he's

617
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:23.639
a he was a semi pro American
football player and he played for Alabama College

618
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:28.760
and then moved back to the UK
and he was semi pro out there,

619
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.119
and you semi pro in Germany.
So when they go to shoot Ted Lasso,

620
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:35.079
he got asked to be an extra, so he's one. I think

621
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:39.639
the opening few minutes perhaps I wanted
Ted Lasso fun. That's so fun.

622
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.480
That's a great show. I love
it. It's such a great it's so

623
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:47.280
much fun. I love that show. Okay, well, Oscar, no

624
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.760
kidding. UM, if you need
an extra for your Antarctica film, I'm

625
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:59.119
I'm available. I want to wish
you all the luck in the world with

626
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:05.280
the more festivals that you have coming
up that shall remain nameless and your new

627
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.199
project that shall remain nameless, and
um, you know, but great,

628
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:14.400
great luck with Life on the Farm. And everyone should try to see it.

629
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:19.480
Um. I'll try to put a
link somewhere. I'll put it.

630
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.119
Oh, I'll link to it on
UM when the when the episode comes out

631
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:28.800
on my social media pages, to
the film anywhere. You'll be sick hearing

632
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.159
about it. No, no,
everyone should see it. It's really great.

633
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:35.519
So thanks so much for being on
the show. I really appreciate it.

634
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.480
And take care. Okay, bye
bye. Right. So that was

635
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.719
Oscar Harding, producer of the award
winning film A Life on the Farm.

636
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.920
I learned a lot about filmmaking during
this interview, much of which didn't sound

637
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:53.119
very glamorous, I suppose. I
also learned about the Found Footage Festival,

638
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:58.960
a one of a kind event showcasing
footage from videos found at garage sales and

639
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:02.800
thrift stores around the country. Tyler, have you ever found any crazy home

640
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.840
movies? No, I haven't,
But I have a really good friend who

641
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.960
lives in LA who goes to these
estate sales. Yeah, basically wait in

642
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.079
line, and it's kind of like
first come, first serve. And what

643
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:21.880
she does is she takes all the
film that, like if any of these

644
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.679
estate sales have available, and she
loves to develop all these old photos and

645
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.559
they're really beautiful, amazing things that
she ends up developing. Like it,

646
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:35.440
she'll post them on Instagram and stuff, like like a random couple and it

647
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:39.159
says, you know, Hawaii trip
nineteen sixty two and these photos have never

648
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:43.320
been seen even by them. They
were taken by them, but they're still

649
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.559
undeveloped. So she develops them and
seeing them for the first time, and

650
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:52.840
you know, they're traveling through you
know, visiting Pearl Harbor and going through

651
00:46:52.880 --> 00:47:00.679
all these different Hawaii type landscapes.
And she also posts like these ones that

652
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:05.440
she found from the early sixties of
like farm life and it's like actual cowboys,

653
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:07.960
you know, like in the and
they're like smoking cigarettes next to their

654
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.639
horses and leaning against barns and it's
just like it's cool to see that authentic

655
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:19.480
actual history that we see in movies
documented all the time for like Hollywood,

656
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.960
but really seeing these real life,
you know, early sixties, late fifties

657
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:30.079
cowboys who are sitting there smoking and
doing their doing their cowboy work whatever that

658
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:35.760
may be, wrestling up horses or
something. Yeah, but this sounds kind

659
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.480
of similar to that, you know, like the found footage and I've heard

660
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.880
of people doing that, you know, and kind of trying to make a

661
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:50.599
story around found footage, which is
really cool kind of art type of film

662
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:57.320
art movement that I remember people were
doing in like kind of similar to in

663
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.239
Denmark, there was a film movement
called dog Maine ninety five, which was

664
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.519
the rule. It was invented by
all these Danish guys, and the rule

665
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:10.159
was no script, no story.
Basically, it just has to be from

666
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.760
You just start shooting and it's all
improv and you have to make a movie

667
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:16.000
out of it, and you put
it like a certain set of days that

668
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:20.119
you shoot and then whatever you have, you have to make a movie out

669
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.679
of it. It's kind of similar
to that, but yeah, it was

670
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:28.679
it was great to hear him talk
about the documentary aspect of things and the

671
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.360
found footage and I haven't seen have
you watched any of his work yet?

672
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.440
Which work the found footage work?
Yeah? No, In fact, I'm

673
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.760
trying to I'm trying to get a
hold of these guys. I'd love to

674
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:45.079
have him on the podcast. Yeah, but because it's more than just a

675
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:49.599
festival, like they're calling it a
festival, but it's just like a whole

676
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:55.599
a huge website and you can send
in your videos to them and maybe they'll

677
00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:00.719
respond, maybe they won't, but
they're on the festival circle circle it right

678
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.159
now. Also, so I think
they're Oscar told me they're kind of busy.

679
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.079
But yeah, I mean it sounds
right up my alley. I love

680
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:13.079
like old artifacts and things like that, and obviously I have a background in

681
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:17.719
film and things like that, so
combining the two is pretty pretty unique.

682
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.599
I had never heard of people really
doing it to that level. So right,

683
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.199
no man neither come a new follower
of it. Cool. I mean

684
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:30.519
it makes me want to go look
at all our old home movies because there's

685
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:35.519
probably some silly things in there to
send in, So everyone should check them

686
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:39.639
out the Found Footage Festival, and
of course check out A Life on the

687
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:45.679
farm and if you can get that
in your area, you should definitely watch

688
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:49.599
it because it was really a great
film and they keep winning awards as they

689
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:53.480
go through the different festivals, so
good for them. Yeah, I gotta

690
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:57.440
see it. I don't know how
to, but I'll figure it out.

691
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.599
Well, if I hear about it, I'll let you, okay, all

692
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:05.159
right, perfect, and we'll post
it too if we do, if we

693
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:08.840
find more information on how to how
to view it for sure. Yeah,

694
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:12.360
all right, well thanks. This
was a nice episode, you know it

695
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.599
was. It was interesting to hear
all these new things. Especially I'm always

696
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:20.280
on the background hearing everything, so
it's nice to learn new things while I

697
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:28.159
also record absolutely and you know,
maybe I'll be in one of Oscar's films

698
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:32.239
coming up. Seems like it seems
like he liked that idea. Did he

699
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:38.760
definitely did not seem to like that
idea, But so please, don't,

700
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:43.840
you know, try to like get
me gone about that, all right,

701
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:50.119
I'm sorry the little things of yeah
right, all right, well thanks everyone,

702
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.599
Yeah, thanks, have a good
one, see you soon. Bye.

703
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:57.519
Thanks for listening to my ship.
I really appreciate it. Come back

704
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.639
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705
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