Choppergate with Vince Vitrano

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Shit happens, bad shit, good
shit, crazy shit, and it usually

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happens when we least expect it.
So tune into The Shit that Happens to

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Me Podcast and hear me and everyone
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laugh, you'll cry. You probably
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These are mostly funny stories. You'll
learn a few lessons, probably not.

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It's definitely not that kind of podcast, but you will have a great time.

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Honestly, you can't make this shit
up. Hi. Everyone, Welcome

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to another episode of The Ship that
Happens to Me Podcast. I'm so excited

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to be here today with my guest, Vince Vetrano. Hi, Vince,

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Hi Stacy. How are you.
I'm good, how are you? I'm

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happy to be here. You know, I couldn't do this for the longest

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time because of the title of podcast. When I was on the I was

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on the TV side of things,
I had some bosses who are like,

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yeah, maybe not for you.
But now on radio, apparently I can

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do whatever I want. So here
we are. That's great. I'm so

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excited. Yeah, I knew that. I maybe I knew that when I

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titled the podcast The Shit that Happens
to me that I might run into some

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issues, but there was really no
better title. So so I usually start

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the podcast with do you know how
I know you? No? I yeah,

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I do. I'm sorry you just
cut out for one second there,

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So sorry about that. No,
it's it's cool. I mean, like

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I sometimes people apologize, You're like, oh, I'm sorry. I feel

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like I know you were Like,
well, that's kind of the point,

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I hope. So I take I'm
glad, and I'm glad you feel familiar

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with me, and I know your
guests are always super comfortable with you on

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the podcast. So yeah, I've
enjoyed the ones that I've sampled and just

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how comfortable you make people and that's
just kind of a conversation, which is

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the point of a good podcast.
So really happy to be here. Well,

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um, so I'm I'm glad and
I you know, UM, let's

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fill everybody in on you know who
you are. So you are a local

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um celebrity here in Milwaukee, and
you were um at one time news anchor

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for w TMJ four for many many
years and now recently you are the radio

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host of Wisconsin's morning news WTMJ six
twenty A and radio right. So that's

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a mouthful. Yeah. Um,
so at least the call letters didn't change,

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so that's yea yeah, and I
saw you also a couple of times

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you would would you call it like
MC, you MC, the laugh It

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Up UM programs, the sponsors.
Yeah, um, so I think you're

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AMC a lot of stuff. But
one of my favorite things to do with

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the JCC was their laugh at Up
Milwaukee. And it's been a few years

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since, you know, there was
I think they had a scheduling issue one

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year and then we get COVID.
So it's really hopeful that that event gets

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back on track because it was an
opportunity to be in front of a lot

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of cool people, always in like
an A list talent for the headliner,

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and then for me just a chance
to be in front of a live audience

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in front of actual people. Right
as you know doing this, a lot

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of people are going to watch,
but they're not here and we can't feed

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off of them. I just I
like being in front of people, and

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that was really cool. So one
of my favorite events. Yeah yeah,

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I mean one of our favorite events
to attend to. So um. This

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was a cherry event that the JCC
with sponsor every year, they would get

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a comedian to come in and um, it was great. I mean I

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think I think Jerry Seinfeld did it
one year and let me see, I

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think I can't remember anyone's names Aswie. He was my favorite. Yeah,

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it wasn't. It wasn't Jerry,
it was but the couple of people from

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Curb Your Enthusiasm. So it was, um, that's not just me,

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right, No, I was their
names elude me, but um uh Seth

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Myers twice and he was, yeah, he's great. Favorite. Yeah,

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Martin Short one year was you know, I mean talk about a list,

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you know, you know what you're
always found impressive about him was how hard

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he worked it, Like and here's
a guy who could just show up and

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go if he felt like it and
kind of dial it in. Um,

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but he was there like insisting on
early prep. He was working with the

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crew, with the stage HNT like
everybody, this is going to be here,

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right, this is going to be
here. Just really respected his process.

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For somebody that's far along like that
in his career, it's kind of

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cool to see. One of my
favorites was Howie Mandel. I thought he

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was so funny. Um, I
really enjoyed that one so so um today,

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So I had reached out to you
and you know, said, you

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know, like I know who you
are, and I think you're really funny.

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Maybe you want to come on the
show. So here you are,

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and you have some funny stories about
being in media, and it kind of

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seems like maybe you've has caused a
little trouble a good way to put it,

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or or is that not a fair
statement? Does say it is indeed

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a fair statement. Some shit has
happened to me? Um okay? Or

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where I kind of happened to it? Yeah, I mean, do you

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want to do you want to start
with? Like the biggest thing. I

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always enjoyed being a little bit of
an agitator. I mean, like I

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feel at at forty eight, which
is how old I am, particularly when

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I started at TMJ four, I
was really young for TMJ four at the

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time I started when I was twenty
six, And though I took my job

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really super serious, sweet and it
was a dream job for me, having

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grown up here, I still felt
and to kind of feel like I'm surrounded

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by all these adults and I'm doing
it like I'm like, no, you're

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the adult now, But so I
was. I was a little bit of

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an agitator, a little bit of
you know, I poked at things and

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people, and I like to have
fun, like more than anything in the

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world, so I pushed a little
bit. And I think the probably the

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most epic example of that is what
we now referred to as chopper Gate,

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which only in recent times am I
able to really talk out loud about it,

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because I gotten a lot of trouble. Actually, Oh okay, let's

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hear chopper Gate. I mean that
sounds expensive, so let's hear what happened.

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I love So this is. Let
me see, my daughter had just

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been born, my first kid,
so five o six thereabouts, and yeah,

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it was oh five, and I
loved to play softball. I love

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I love sports and whatever. But
like once a week we had this media

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softball league, So I s N
was in it, and we had a

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TMJA team and some of the other
radio stations head teams and things like that,

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and it's just dudes being dudes playing
softball. But it was like an

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hour. It was once a week, and it was like my thing to

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like go compete and play softball,
and that's all I wanted to do.

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And it was Wednesday night, and
we had a six fifteen game on this

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Wednesday night and our producers I'm working
TV and I was working on a story

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about Summerfest. It was right before
Summerfest open, and they said, we'd

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love to have you live in the
chopper over downtown or this area, you

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know, kind of your Summerfest live
shot at five and live shot at six.

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And I said, you know,
kind of tongue in cheek, because

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my job is my job. And
I'm like, ooh, six o'clock.

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Can't do that when I get a
softball game. And it was not that

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somebody else thought that was funny,
like my producer colleagues and others. They

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didn't really enjoy that that much.
So then it was kind of almost like

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I'd thrown down the gauntlet and they're
like, now, for sure, you're

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doing a six o'clock live shot in
the chopper. I'm like, can't I

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record something that's almost like a live
shot or you know whatever, so I

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can make this game because like it's
important to me now for nothing, but

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it's fun and I really wanted to
do it, but they weren't having it.

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So I'm in the chopper for a
six o'clock live shot. There's no

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way I make a six fifteen game. I played in your pious high school,

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like on the edge of like Milwaukee, walla toaster there and there's this

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park there. I'm like, if
we fly back to Timmerman Field on the

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other side of town, you know, by the time we get down there

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and I get in my car and
I drive over, like the game's over,

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it's not happening. Well, the
idea occurred to me just because we

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had used we would do this for
high school football on Friday nights. We'd

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get clearance from the school and see
if there was a safe place that we

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could lay the helicopter near the school, and we get security out there and

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they make sure it was safe.
Poper there and record highlights of the football

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game, and it was really exciting
and people love to see it in whatever.

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So I kind of got the idea, like, what if what if

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we just took the chopper right from
the live shot and just landed at the

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ballpark. You're already in the chopper, I was already I was already going

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to be there. I could bring
all my stuff with me, and I

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think we could make first pitch.
So what we did was not technically illegal.

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Let me start with that, and
if you have to clarify what to

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come after, probably maybe it's not
a good idea my first indication. But

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I call the pilot and I'm like, okay, here's what I want to

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do. Like is this even?
He's like, yes, sure, we

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can do that. We can.
So he called the local police precinct which

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district but whatever MPD district covers that
area. And just so people didn't freak

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out and like all police and be
like oh there's a helicopter crashing or something,

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called them checked in. They're like
okay, I mean, like eagle

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is legal. So checked in with
them. He's like, no problem.

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If it looks good over the landing
zone the LZ, we can do it.

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We're gonna drop you, yeah,
drop yeah. So I do my

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six o'clock live shot over Summerfest.
I've a shirt and tie on and my

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shorts and baseball cleep underneath. But
you can't see that because all you see

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yeah here, and we we finished
the live shot, we zip over to

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the park and we come up,
you know, and he's obviously coming in

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pretty low. And it was safe. I mean, I will say that

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if they're being like kids around or
whatever, like totally not going to do

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it. But you know, he
comes in low over the trees and the

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guys had already started taking the field, and everything stops and all the heads

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like are looking up and looking at
the that is now descending on the field,

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and we made a safe land.
I get out. I got my

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backpack with me and you know,
my little outfit on, and I come

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tearing out of the helicopter and I'm
just like like this and the plate the

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guys are going nuts and everybody's cheering, and I dropped my stuff off.

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I go take my position out in
center fields and everyone dies and there are

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a lot of expectives like dude,
you yeah, you crazy, Like what

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did you do? Yeah? You
just do I'm like, let's play ball.

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Yeah, so that had happened.
Um, do you want me to

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just fillibuster? Do you have questions
at this time? No? I have

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questions about that, because, first
of all, I'm thinking you must have

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looked like a movie star getting off
of the chopper. I'm thinking, or

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did you still have on the suit, like the suit jacket and the tie

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on the top and the shorts on
the bottom. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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so that must have been kind of
silly looking, but all right,

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it was, but they were distracted
by by the epic nature of the entrance,

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So yeah, I think they were
concerned. How do you beat that?

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Now? How do you ever make
an entrance that's that's as exciting as

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that? One best entrance of all
times? Yeah, so I wasn't sure

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really how it was going to turn
out, but I did know that I

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had pulled it off and no matter
what happened to me moving forward, like,

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they can never take that away from
me, No, they can't.

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Just their video of this entrance.
No, Because interestingly enough, a person

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one of my colleagues who became a
good friend, a long time photographer and

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chopper photographer and ground photographer, just
a really good journalist, Mark Wise,

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he was in there and he's like, Viney, this is not a good

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idea. He was looking out for
me, God love me. He's like,

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this is not a good idea and
whatever. I'm like, I'll own

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it, dude, Like, no
problem, I got it. But he

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was in his defense, he was
trying to talk me out of it.

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So fortunately he didn't roll video at
the time. Okay, and this is

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let's say, oh five, you
know, so it wasn't like phone video,

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Like, yeah, there's no to
my knowledge, no video of it.

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Mark took a couple of still shots
of me, like exiting the aircraft.

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Yeah, and those exist somewhere.
And again, now that I can

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talk about it because it's stations,
it is over and I didn't even work

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a Channel four anymore. But I
got in a lot of trouble and there's

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a story behind that. If you
want to stay on I do. I

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just I have one other before we
talk about the trouble you got into,

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Like how did you get back?
Like someone had to drive you back?

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Right, the chopper didn't wait for
you, right, No, chopper then

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took off and did a jothing and
then I got a buddy to drive me

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back to the airport where where my
car was. So um, yeah,

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they departed it. So so what
happened then, like the was it the

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next day you got in trouble or
did you get a phone call that night?

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Going listen Vince, Like what happened
I got in trouble in a series

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of days. There were a number
of days I got in trouble moving forward,

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but the first was immediately after I've
showed up for work and I was

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working days then, so I'm probably
coming to the station about eight thirty nine

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o'clock and one of my buddies,
who was the morning executive producer who was

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also on the team, was there. He's waiting for me at the back

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door. He's having a smoke and
I walk up and he's like, hey,

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there, waiting on yet to show
you how ignorant I was about this,

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Like I almost had forgotten. Like
I'm like, hey, dude,

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what's up, Leale just whatever?
And he's like, ah, yeah,

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the way you're in trouble and yeah, oh the helicopter. He's like yeah.

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So I'm like, oh really,
I am like that that little thing.

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Yeah what So Rick tells me Rick
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a yeah, some lady called him
bitched and she got Shawn and I'm like,

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oh, that is not the right
person to have picked up the phone

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at that particular time. So a
woman who lived in the neighborhood who's not

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impressed by the stunt called the TV
stack, called the TV station a complaint

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and she a goat is amazing.
And it has been at TMJ for for

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many years. But Seawan is like
a no nonsense guy, and so he

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didn't know that that had happened.
And what Sean had done is sent a

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note that went out to newsroom managers
and that like is a big distribution list

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that has like many of the top
executives in the company, not just TMJ

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four like around, like all managers
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received a phone call, helicopter landing
in park. Someone appears to have been

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dropped off. Anyone know anything about
this? Did we approve this? And

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it went to like the whole company
of so Rick had found out about that

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because he got the note. He
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yeah, dude, you're in trouble. So I don't know what's going to

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happen. But Sean sent this note. Doubt everybody knows, you know.

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I'm like, okay, well who
fessed up? Who? Who? Who?

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Who gave you away? So it
was nobody gave me away. Initially

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it was just this onean you would
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at that point. But then the
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new which is like worse, like
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you, okay, and he says, tell me, we did not land

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the Hellic in his city park.
I said we did, and he said,

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okay, tell me we did not
drop someone off at the ball field.

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We also did that and he said
why did Why did we do that?

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And said, well, that was
me and it was TMJ four versus

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WISN It's a six fifteen start and
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a six o'clock live shot and they
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left it there. I totally deadpanned
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I just I just waited for him. Yeah. So after him answered right,

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yeah, I took a calculated risk
because I thought he was a pretty

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cool dude, but I didn't know
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was the way to go. I
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wasn't gonna do is lie, like
all you do in that situation is make

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it worse. I wasn't even throw
any under the bus. I was prepared

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to own it, but I thought
this is the way to play it kind

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of be a little bit comical with
him, and he just I think he

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just didn't know what to do with
me. And he's like, why why

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didn't you just go back to the
airport I get your car. I'm like,

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I told you, it's six o'clock, live shot six fifteen start.

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It didn't work out, and I
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well, this woman called and she
complained and I got I got to deal

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with this, and this note went
out to all these managers and I got

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explained it to them. I said, yeah, I'm sorry about that.

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Like, I just just wanted to
play ball. And he the first inclination

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that I had that it might be
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me at least we won the game, right, did you? No?

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I said we didn't. We got
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don't have any right answers for me. Oh my god. Well cool?

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I mean you know that's saying better
to ask for forgiveness than permission. Yeah,

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pretty much what happened here. But
that's not all okay. So I

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got yelled at, I got in
trouble. I dealt with him, and

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that was that. And I'm like, okay, is that like? Is

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that it? Like? Cool?
Um? And that was kind of it

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for a couple of days. Yeah, And then a couple days later,

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he calls me in his office,
close the door, puts me down.

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He says, the way to get
on my bad side outside of not doing

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your job is to make me go
to baking meetings. Okay, and he

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said ficking meetings with a bicking government. I'm not following. He said.

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I just got off the phone with
the bicking FAA, and I go,

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Okatie, that is not what I
wanted to happen. Yeah, Well,

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this lady you called, she's been
a thorn in their side for a long

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time. So this woman we've the
place is kind of your then Miller Park

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now American Family Fields, and I'm
busy days. It knew the freeway and

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at the time there was three choppers
in the market. Three TV station said

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choppers, plus the radio had their
traffic plane, and the aircraft would fly

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around sort of in an orbit,
and they were often near her house,

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and she was freaked out by that
and would complain frequently, apparently to the

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FAA that they were flying too low
and whatever. I had no idea about

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this, but apparently some of these
spokes that the FAA had just talked her

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off the ledge and now I landed
the helicopter like in her front yard.

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Yeah, yeah, right, but
how could I know? So he explains

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that to me, and he's like, yeah, these are this is not

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a good conversation. I'm like,
well, bowto, I mean, like,

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what do you want me to do? Like, I'll want me to

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call her? Do you want me
to write a letter? Do you want

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me to I don't want you to
do anything. But if I'm gonna get

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yelled at, you're gonna get yelled
at flowing downhill and every time I get

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yelled at, you're going to be
in here to get yelled at and take

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yours. Okay, fair enough,
let me know. So then that was

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the end of it. If he
still wasn't do you have any more questions

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at this point? Or should I
continue? No? Continue, I want

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to hear what happened next. So
this promise is the last part um.

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That was that for like weeks.
Yeah, and then one day I'm at

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my desk in the newsroom phone ring
to pick it up, you know,

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TMJ Ford, s Vent and Guy
and the other ends Vince Jerry Speedback,

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Dan Bis Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Here
we've got you on speaker phones that all

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right. I'm like, I know, I suld, I know you guys.

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These cats are like the investigative team
for the biggest paper in the state.

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I mean, these guys go out
like bring down politicians like they're old

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timey journalists, you know, working
sources, doing stuff bringing people down.

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Oh my god, I have a
feeling I know right away why I'm on

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the phone with these guys. And
I can't marriage it was carry or or

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Dan, but like, uh,
listen, we keep hearing you know,

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all these all these rumors about you
landed a chopper at a baseball game and

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whatever. And I said, why
can either confirm or deny that? And

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one of them said, like,
what is this chopper gate? I'm like

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it might be, so they named
it. They named it chopper gate.

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Yes, okay, So you know
one thing that I know as as a

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journalist and as a reporter, if
you're trying to get somebody to admiss this

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something like sometimes you're fishing and sometimes
you got it. And they had it.

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Yeah, they had the story.
I felt like in talking to them

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that anything I said wasn't going to
prevent them from going to print with a

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story about this and so in that
situation, then is the subject of the

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article. I thought I got two
options. I can be a jerk and

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be like no comments and hang up, and then I get a real bad

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right up. I can play ball
and give them what they needed again,

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because at that point I wasn't going
to prevent this from coming out, so

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I gave him some stuff on background. I told him the story why I

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did it. It was a little
tongue in cheek with him, and I

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even gave him a quote, which
I'm normally not authorized to do and was

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probably a bad idea. But again, they had the story, so I

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thought like, by playing ball,
I would at least get a somewhat friendly

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write up. So I went from
there. I walked right into my boss's

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office when we hadn't talked about this
for weeks. Yeah, and I'm like,

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uh so, I just got off
the phone with Kerry Speveck and Dan

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Biss Milwaukee General Sendel and goes,
oh, yeah, wait the chopper.

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I'm like, he goes, why'd
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I answered the phone. My phone
rang, What what'd you tell him?

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And I said, I told him
this and this why'd you tell him

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anything? I told them what I
just told you. Stacey's like they have

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it. Yeah, yeah. So
I tried to defend myself as best I

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could or whatever, and my boss, again being pretty cool at this point,

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he goes, well, be what
they say. And that was that.

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So a few days very came out
in the paper and they did write

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it was a little tongue in cheek
and they took a couple of shots at

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me, you know whatever. But
it could have been a lot worse.

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It could have been, like,
you know, a real big They didn't

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go hard at me. They kind
of did it sort of funny. And

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back in the boss's office the next
day, he goes, well, at

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least they spelled your name right,
Yeah, right, And I said yeah,

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So I had to go see one
more boss after that. My general

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manager at the time marks for Coda, who was a really good guy and

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probably the reason that I am where
I am now because he probably could have

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whacked me for that. I mean, you should get fired for that,

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maybe, but again I was honest. I think that saved me and I

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owned it and I didn't there anybody
else up of the bus and sat me

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down and he just looked at me
and he goes, well, did you

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learn anything? And I did.
I mean I wouldn't for two reasons.

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I wouldn't make a different decision.
I view it as a as a mistake.

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I mean, it was not a
smart thing to do, and it

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looked bad for the station. And
I told Mark at the time, I

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said, you know what I did
learn was I thought I did something stupid

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and if I got in trouble,
then I would own that and then that

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would be that. Like what I
had not counted on is the crap I

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put my boss through and his boss's
boss and his boss's boss and all these

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other people, like other people had
a crummy day or a few because of

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my dumb thing. I like,
and I'm actually I am sorry for that

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and I learned for that from that, and so I hope you can forgive

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me. And you know, we
had a good talk after that, and

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we kind of left it at this
and said something that was pretty good.

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He said, well, you know
you do good work here. You know

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you're honest about everything, and um, I want you to stay and I

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want you to be a part of
our place for a long time. Gose,

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but you know you can only get
away with some shit like that once,

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right, yeah, right, like, hey we're good, never again.

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So that's Choppergate. Stay, oh
my god, Vince. I mean,

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so how long were you there when
this happened. Let me see,

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I had been there five years,
so I had some CREDI built up,

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and I'd just say I wished,
you know, if I was just some

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clown who was there for a couple
of coffee. So far, pretty easy

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decision, you know. But I
had done good work, and I do

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think just I was straight with everybody
and was prepared to accept whatever punishment they

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had for me, so that that
probably saved my skin. That Yeah,

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it was funny, yeah right,
right, And so it's kind of remarkable

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that, you know, the investigative
team got involved. It's not like you.

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It's not it's not like you like
held up a grocery store or something,

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you know, like you know,
I didn't, you know, right,

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I was not a politician like stealing
from the coffers or whatever else.

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The article that they wrote was was
funny, and so I mean it's kind

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of like the work I like to
do. I love to do a good

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hard news story. I like to
expose some corruption or do a really good

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profile when I be an important politician
or something. I like to do that

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and that's my job, but I
also love to have fun. And these

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couple of guys, you know,
there's no reason they can't go through their

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work and separate out, you know, the serious work that they do,

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and kind of like that. And
hey man, they got the story.

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Nobody else did. I mean,
it was out there. I mean,

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dozens of people obviously witnessed this.
I landed a helicopter at a park and

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it never surfaces. So those two
guys called me. Yeah, I wonder

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where that lady is now if she's
still calling that FAA. You know TMJ

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Ford got rid of its chopper a
few years ago, and Fox six before

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us. Even so only IM still
has its chopper up every day, so

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there's a little bit less air traffic
over her house and still around. And

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if I freaked her out, I
am super sorry about that. I mean,

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I didn't mean to scare anybody,
but that was another unintended consequence,

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perhaps, I guess, yeah so
so so I was just like, I

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didn't even really know that you consider
yourself a bit of an agitator. When

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I asked you that question. So
this is like a trend in a way.

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Well, I mean I like to
pay people and have fun, so

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you know, I played jokes and
the recipient of jokes and things like that.

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So I guess anyone who's managed me
would definitely say I'm a bit irreverent,

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which I'm proud of. I'm never
in subordinate. I do really respect

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the places that I work, So
I like to be that guy in the

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office who's super fun. Yeah,
you can take that too far, clearly,

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as I did in this case,
but that I do want, especially

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because I've largely worked the mornings.
I mean, I'm now working mornings at

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w TMJ AM. At TMJ four, I was Angry Mornings along with Susan

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Kim for I think we're on the
desk together sixteen years. We literally get

410
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:07.160
up in the middle of the night
to come to work. Yeah, and

411
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:14.200
it better be fun because it's not. It's just miserable. Yeah, I'm

412
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:18.119
I'm really myself a bit of a
rule follower. Probably the most you know

413
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.200
out there thing I've done is start
a podcast with a swear word in the

414
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.799
title. But at this age,
you know, like I just turned sixty,

415
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:32.279
so I don't really give a shit
anymore. But um yeah, I

416
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:37.519
still to this day, like I
work at e WM and when my department

417
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.279
chair steps into my office and goes
kind of talk to you for a minute,

418
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.480
I'm I still have the thought what
I do and I have to tell

419
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.640
you, like I don't do anything
wrong, you know, like I'm I

420
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:52.799
make a lot of jokes, but
I um. In fact, before I

421
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.599
started the podcast, I asked his
permission, is it okay? Can I

422
00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.119
start a podcast, you know,
like call the shit that happens to me?

423
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:02.680
Is I'm going to reflect badly?
He's like, well, as you

424
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.119
don't talk about this shit that happens
here, I think it will be okay.

425
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:11.640
But um yeah, So I I
have like probably an overly developed fear

426
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.960
of authority most of the time,
but I think I think it's healthy.

427
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.960
And again, like there's a there's
a line clearly you have to be you

428
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.599
have to accept to be managed by
woll. You have to accept that there's

429
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:23.880
a way to go about your business. And when you know, end of

430
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.119
the time and place, you know, I'm not going to go on there

431
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:30.160
and crack jokes about you know,
violence or things like you like that that's

432
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.400
not funny. But the idea that
you know, if you're in the news,

433
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.599
you can't also be funny. Um, I think it is just absurd

434
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.319
that, well, if to take
you seriously, you can't be funny on

435
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.400
the r or whatever. You know, why nobody in life is just only

436
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.759
serious or only funny, you know, Like, so I never wanted to

437
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.119
be put in a box either around
the newsroom or or on the air or

438
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.400
just m Can I be both?
Can I be a super good journalist and

439
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.559
also hilarious? I try? Yeah? I agree. I'm a psychologist,

440
00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.559
and I, um, I'm very
serious when I need to be serious,

441
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.440
But you know, I also think
it's important to crack some jokes and lighten

442
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:08.319
the tension a little bit. So
yeah, and it helps, you know,

443
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:14.799
helps with the relationship. So yeah, So, am I you're a

444
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.799
psychologist? Like do you have an
analysis on me? Or you know,

445
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:19.319
based on based on my story?
Like how am I doing? Am I?

446
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.960
All right? Am I stable?
You're cool? You're cool? I

447
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:30.000
this is this is my non analyzing
time. So cool. My wife is

448
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.960
a psych major as well. She
taught ap psycho the high school level for

449
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:37.160
many years. So I've never won
an argument. Yeah, right, well,

450
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:41.839
my husband jokes that it's been very
profitable for him to be married to

451
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.759
a psychologist for thirty years. So
he says he's gotten a lot of free

452
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.359
therapy. I keep reminding him that
it hasn't been free, but um,

453
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:56.559
yeah, So so what other stories
you have for me? So the thing

454
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.559
I think that's funny is I've had
some amazing opportunity through my work to see

455
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.880
things with my own eyes that,
you know, for a lot of folks

456
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.440
are once in a lifetime thing,
if at all. I've I've covered two

457
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.160
Super Bowls. I covered Super Bowl
thirty two and then I go when I

458
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.920
was working for Greenmate Tagastation covered Super
Bowl forty five in Dallas with the Packers.

459
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:17.200
One I was at fourth and twenty
six in Philadelphia when like the worst

460
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.400
collapse for me, like the biggest
gut punch, even worse than what happened

461
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:23.000
in Seattle as a Packers fan fourth
and twenty six, Like I was there

462
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:29.599
for that, So that was pretty
amazing. I've covered three final fours in

463
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.799
person and just and a Rose Bowl
which was really special. So these things

464
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.440
are are amazing, and so on
the surface, someone said like, Wow,

465
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.640
you're really lucky. And I totally
am so made no mistake. I'm

466
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.359
grateful for all those experiences. But
what people don't probably know is thee are

467
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:51.559
a ridiculous, absurd amount of work. Like if the station invests the capital

468
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:57.359
in sending a crew, so that's
me and a photographer and sending editing equipment,

469
00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:59.880
which is much easier now, but
back in the day, man you

470
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.240
to send a truck like I need
like space to edit video and do other

471
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:04.680
things. So it's a lot of
people that's involved, a lot of plane

472
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:08.440
tickets and all that hotels at a
huge event, so obviously the prices are

473
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.279
jacked up. So if the station's
going to spend that kind of money and

474
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.839
invest in a crew that's going to
be there, they're going to get every

475
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.519
inch out of you. And so
we work, like Super Bowl forty five,

476
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:25.359
we work. I would get up
at two forty five, three o'clock

477
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.759
and we would be out at the
stadium to do live reports for our morning

478
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.200
news by five am. We probably
didn't go to bed until nine, nine

479
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.359
thirty, and we literally just worked
all day. Like a couple of my

480
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.839
buddies were coming out and they're like, hey, bring bring your golf clubs.

481
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.440
We're going to golf. What we're
you know, like, what do

482
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.440
you guys think I'm doing out here? I'm involving. I'm gone for six

483
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.480
hours in the day. But the
funny part about that story is so so

484
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:55.839
we were busting it. Me and
this dude, Mike Lammy was my photographer,

485
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:57.440
and we had the morning shift and
we were assigned. Okay, every

486
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.640
day, you're going to do live
shots for the morning show, so that's

487
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:04.160
live out of the stadium from five
to seven am. You're gonna do live

488
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.000
shots for the noon show, so
let's live at the stadium from noon to

489
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.640
one, and then you're gonna do
three what we call packages, so like

490
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:15.079
taped pieces with a stand up in
and a stand up out. So me,

491
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.839
you know, I've been to Patronto
here in Dallas, and here's the

492
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.119
little piece. Okay, yeah,
I've been to Patronto. Get so three

493
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:23.559
of those a day, one for
five, one for six, one for

494
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:29.880
ten pm each day, every day
repeats for a week. And we're out

495
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.640
there, so ahead of the Super
Bowl, and Mike and I are like,

496
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.000
we're scrambling, you know, I
mean, so where do we find

497
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:38.359
these stories? How do we get
the stuff? You know Dallas is a

498
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:41.319
huge at Dallas, Fort Worth a
huge metroplex. There were some stories in

499
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.920
Fort Worth, sum in Dallas.
We were staying in Arlington at this house

500
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.799
we called it the reality House.
There were like five or six of us

501
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.880
staying in this house that we read
did and coming and going and whatever.

502
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.480
So we're all over the place and
it was just a logistical challenge and then

503
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:57.000
all this work to get the story. I would write the story, the

504
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.640
photographer would then go and edit piece
together and have to send it in and

505
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.519
all these things. It just it
was a lot. So we're we're cranking

506
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.960
it out pretty good for the first
few days. And it was also if

507
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.480
you remember the year, so this
is twenty eleven, but a huge snow

508
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.920
from on Groundhog Day. It was
like Groundhog Day, blitzerd and so Milwaukee

509
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:20.440
was like down here, yeah here. Well what we got in Dallas was

510
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:22.160
like an ice storm, which was
sucky too, but um. And also

511
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.839
I didn't have like good clothes because
I'm like, oh Texas, Like I

512
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:29.279
barely even looked at the weather report. What a what a donkey I'm there

513
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.640
in Plus it's like February and Texas
like they're on the spring, right,

514
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:36.599
So we go to Walmart and I
can't even find like long underwear freezing.

515
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:37.599
But nobody wanted to hear it because
they're like, oh, dude, you're

516
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.279
at the super Bowl and we're buried
to put a snow. So we come

517
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.119
out of that though, and my
boss is like, all right, now

518
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.160
we're gonna really, you know,
um back into our super Bowl coverage.

519
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.079
And he calls me one afternoon and
we were scraping Mike and I would just

520
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.440
you know, I remember Mike at
one time and he's a long time proto

521
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:52.640
journalist and like these big trips.
But he looked at me. He's like,

522
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.799
never again, I'm not doing this
again, Like it's not worth it.

523
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.799
We're just we're exhausted. But we
were making it and I get on

524
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.759
the phone with my boss and he
calls me and he asks me that question

525
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.880
that bosses asked. It's open ended, but I know he's looking for a

526
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.200
particular answer. He's like, so
you know how you think things are going?

527
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:08.960
And I know what he's not looking
for. It's like, dude,

528
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.839
it's too much work or whatever he's
looking for. It's great, it's great,

529
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.599
boss, It's thank you, best, best thing. Ever, you

530
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:17.599
got a great plan. So I
you know, I kind of hedge my

531
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.440
bet and I was like, man, we're managing. We're battling, but

532
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:23.279
we're getting through um. And he
goes, okay, great, well we're

533
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:29.039
thinking of ramping things up. What
are we ramping up? He goes,

534
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:32.559
well, we want you live at
four and at five as well. I'm

535
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:37.160
like, I said, look,
dude, I'm here anyway, so like

536
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:42.160
I'm not coming home, but like
I'm one man. Yeah, and Mike's

537
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.599
one guy. If we're at the
stadium from five to seven am and from

538
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:51.359
noon to one and from uh or
sort at three to four, yeah,

539
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:52.799
I wanted us thrive. And if
I'm there from three to five, like

540
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.799
when am I going to go out
and do all this other stuff? And

541
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.759
he's like, I just gonna make
it happen. Oh wow, okay,

542
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:07.319
but the worst part we did,
we found it question we were dragging it

543
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.599
was. It was tough, but
good, wonderful work. I wouldn't trade

544
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:13.800
it. And like I was thinking
the same thing. It was, just

545
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.400
came back exhausted and they wanted me
to work the parade like the next day,

546
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:20.039
and I'm like, I'm out.
I'm just out on the parade.

547
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.800
I'm not coming in tomorrow. Yeah, but it was awesome. It was

548
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:30.400
super cool experience, um and that
and all the others, but yeah,

549
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:35.000
it was. It's a ton of
work. So my son works for the

550
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:40.159
Brewers and um so he works in
game day entertainment and he manages like the

551
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.360
brew crew and so he oversees like
the people seeing the national anthem and the

552
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:50.800
sausage races and all that stuff.
And you know when like opening day,

553
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:53.280
like and you know that whole like
first week. I mean he worked like

554
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:58.159
six days in a row, you
know, eight am to probably ten pm

555
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.000
every day, and you know,
I mean he loves it. He just

556
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.639
loves it. He's showing me a
steps. Look, sixty thousand steps today.

557
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:07.880
However many steps he walked, you
know, on any because he's all

558
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:12.599
over yeah, all over American Family
Field, you know. But um,

559
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.400
it's just a super thrill for him. So well, you know what people

560
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.960
don't know about positions like that.
I mean, there's the ball game.

561
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.880
What are you're talking to us or
paclocks or whatever. There's there's the sport

562
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.000
in the ball game that happened.
But there's a script for the show.

563
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.719
This is a show. I mean, it's an entertainment um, you know,

564
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:32.239
Bonanza and people that do what your
son is like. I mean,

565
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.880
they're in charge of the script for
the rest of the show. So everything

566
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.079
that's not baseball, that's him and
his crew in the line up, all

567
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.920
those people, all the things that
happen that takes people to coordinate. I

568
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.599
have a lot of respects for people
who work in that line and I've been

569
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:46.679
close to them. It's it's a
huge deal. It's like there's a script

570
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:50.440
for a show every day, and
he does it eight eighty one times a

571
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.400
year at American Field and hopefully a
few more we get to the playoffs again,

572
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:57.880
right right, Well, Vince,
I really appreciate your time. We're

573
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.400
going to have to end for today. We'll have to have you come back

574
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:06.280
on talk about space camp and some
of the other adventures you had when you

575
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:12.320
were young. But yeah, I
really appreciate it, and you take care

576
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.239
and we'll talk soon. Okay,
you gotta Stacey, thanks for having me,

577
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:21.480
Thanks for listening to my ship.
I really appreciate it. Come back

578
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:23.599
and hear more shit next time on
the Ship that Happens to Me podcast.

579
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:28.599
Do you think I've said shit?
Enough for one podcast episode. Tune in

580
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:36.840
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