387 - Podcasts on Netflix, Patreon’s Huge Payout, & New Listening Habits Revealed

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Good morning, podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Wednesday, October
15th, 2025, and today we're

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diving into the week's biggest
podcast headlines from Netflix

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and Spotify's bold video move to
YouTube surprise creator

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comeback to what AI really is
and isn't for podcasters.

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Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again, podcasting,
Morning chat.

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Thanks so much for being here.
I am your host Mark Ronik on

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stage with me.
Currently, we have Dr. Fey, Nick

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Nalback, producer Ashley Feller,
Jonathan Howard, Sid Meadows,

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and Phil Better.
Today, as I mentioned, we're

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going to cover all the headlines
that are around the world of

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podcasting and content creation,
and I want to first say thank

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you for your patience this week.
I know that we took Monday off

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for the holiday here in the US
and then Tuesday I did not sleep

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well leading into Tuesday
morning.

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I went to bed late because I got
to watch my Washington

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Commanders lose terribly to the
Chicago Bears.

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So I got to bed around 11:30 or
so, which is definitely later

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than I normally do.
Then I woke up at 3:00, 3-10

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after three, something like
that, and I could not fall back

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asleep.
I tried all the hacks actually,

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and I will say I probably did
fall asleep, but it was not deep

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sleep and it was only on
occasion.

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I think I would doze in and out.
I got up and Dr. and I were

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prepping for the show and I
finally just said to her, I

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can't do it.
I just can't do it today.

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I had no energy.
I was groggy.

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I took two naps yesterday and I
rarely take naps.

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So something was going on.
But I feel much better today, so

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thank you SO.
Mark, you had mentioned you

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tried all the hacks, so go
through a hack or two.

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I'm going to share one.
I'll share one because this

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isn't a sleep hack show, but I'm
talking about it.

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So yes, I will share.
I learned this just recently.

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My wife found it.
Somebody on TikTok or Instagram

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or both for that matter.
I'll have to find out.

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And if I can, I'll I'll share it
with everybody.

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But this woman shares it's this
eye movement hack that you do.

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You close your eyes and here's
the pattern.

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You look up again with your eyes
closed, look up, look down, look

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left, look right.
Then do a full circle with your

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eye movement going in One
Direction and then full circle

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going in the other direction and
then go cross eyed and then

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repeat.
Now when I did this, it was, I

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did it, I've done it now a few
nights, not just that night and

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it obviously didn't work as well
for me that night.

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But in generally speaking when I
do it, I do it like 2-3 times

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and then I, it never fails.
I I'll say to myself, this crap

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doesn't work and then the next
thing I know my alarm goes off.

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So I, I think it does do
something.

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I can't tell you why and I'll
find out, but it does seem to

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help me.
So try that out and let me know

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what you think.
I.

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Will.
Thank you.

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So with that, let me hit the
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Oh, there it was.
Still did it wrong.

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Let's get into some news and
comment.

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And you know what?
I know I just hit the music.

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I know I just said I want to hit
news and comment, but I do want

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to.
I just looked at Jonathan's

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profile picture.
Jonathan has a new addition to

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the family and I know if you're
following along.

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If you've been following the
podcasting morning chat for a

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couple months, you may recall
Jonathan lost one of his dogs

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recently and has added a new
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Jonathan, tell us real quick
about the dog.

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Maverick is a three-year old
Pitbull terrier mix and he is

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the sweetest dog I've ever met.
I haven't heard him bark in a

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week.
So.

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So you've had him for a week
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Well, I guess no, not not fully
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I got him on Saturday morning.
And he's getting along your

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other dog's name again.
I keep forgetting.

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Max.
Max.

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So I have Max and Maverick.
Yeah, Max is paying attention to

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him.
Not enjoying him, but paying

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attention to him, which is more
than I could say he was doing

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for the last six weeks.
Good.

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And I'm sure as time goes on
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other.
Congratulations, Jonathan.

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I know you're a dog person like
myself and I know how hard it is

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to lose a pet, especially well
for me since I'm a dog guy,

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especially a dog, and I know
it's hard for any kind of losing

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any kind of pet.
So I'm glad that you've moved

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forward.
I won't say move on, moved on,

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but moved forward and you've
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Congratulations.
OK, Now, as I said, I will get

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to today's headlines.
First, we like to start out with

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a little podcast data for you.
So the number one podcast on

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Apple as of yesterday, October
14th, Crime Junkie by Audio

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Chuck and I'll save the Spotify
list in just a moment for Dr. to

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share the top five because we
all know who usually sits in

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that number one slot on Spotify
specifically. 1st, I'm going to

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give you some different stats
than I normally do in this part

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of the in this portion of the
show, buzz sprouts global stats.

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We sometimes talk about this.
These are and the ones I like to

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focus on sometimes when we dig
into this episode, downloads

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within the first seven days.
Now this is how many if you are

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receiving X number of downloads
within your first week, I'm

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going to tell you where you fall
on the independent podcaster.

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What's the word here?
I don't know what the word is

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here on the list of independent
podcasters.

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For example, if you have
average, if you're averaging

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around 27 downloads in your
first seven days, you're in the

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top 50% among all independent
podcasters on Buzz Sprout, which

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is just in for context, it is a
very popular platform.

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We're not talking 100 podcasters
using it here, We're talking

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thousands of podcasters using
Buzz Sprout.

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You are in the top 25 if you
received 110 downloads.

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Top 10% gets 451 downloads.
If you get 1028 downloads,

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that's putting you in the top
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And those top 1% of podcasts are
getting 4206 downloads per

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episode.
So precise.

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It is, it is.
And I think it's also real time

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as well.
I think they'd often those are

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constantly updated.
I think like I said in real

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time.
So you can check that out at

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buzzsprout.com/stats.
Now we're coming to you, Dr. for

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your Spotify top five lists.
So #5 is this past week with

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Theo von #4 is the Tucker
Carlson show #3 is the Diary of

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a CEO is Stephen Bartlett.
Number 2 is Mystery Mondays and

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#1 is the Joe Rogan Experience.
Oh, Joey.

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Congratulations Joe Rogan,
really a huge feat for you.

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I'm I'm so impressed when you
have another.

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Top five list I do, and this one
is the random chart of the week

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is nonprofits.
Nonprofits OK so #5 is them

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before us #4 is change Church
podcast OK #3 is social.

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Button hold on, I gotta do it.
Again, OK, here it is.

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OK #3 is a social Dallas podcast
#2 is going big with Kevin

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Gentry, and #1 is Dergloben
Neustock.

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Wow.
OK, so clearly a German show

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hits the number and this is the
US top five.

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Right. the US top five.
Interesting.

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The Globe machine.
No start.

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And we know Dr. has a hard time
pronouncing all foreign words.

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But look at look at the way the
part that the globe is that AB.

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Yeah, I don't know.
That looks like a capital B, but

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it's also, it looks like a
different font.

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It's clearly not our language.
Dr. Yeah, OK.

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Yes, all right, cool.
Well, those that's the top five

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non profit list on Spotify
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All right, thank you, Dr. Let's
get you some events, shall we?

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First, some events coming up as
of today, if you are in the

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Washington, DC area, I'm looking
to see here if we have Janaid

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here yet.
No, Janaid has not arrived yet.

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Oh, somebody came in, but no,
not Janaid.

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I say that because Janaid is in
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There is a podcast professionals
happy hour.

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I know that the the Podcast
Professionals Association is a

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part of it, among several
others.

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This is happening at Aslin Beer
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ASLIN, that's in Northwest
Washington, DC.

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Again, that's tonight.
So if you have to be listening

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today, if you want to catch that
out, also in the DMV area,

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Baltimore, MD, to be precise.
The 7th annual Afrozen Audio

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Podcast Festival will start on
October 16th.

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And as we learned from our
friend Sabaza, who is Gen.

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Dubs Co host and Jen is here in
the audience currently, as we

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learned from their show, it will
be the last of the seven annual

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Afrozen Audio Podcast Festival.
So check that out.

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If you've been experiencing FOMO
in the past, you will have

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permanent FOMO if you don't
check that out this time again,

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that's October 16th in
Baltimore, MD.

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Just search Afros and audio
podcast Festival and you'll find

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all the details there or just
check our show notes for more

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details and Dr. coming back to
you for your this mastermind

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group that you do weekly.
That's right.

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Well, it's an online networking
event and it's every Thursday,

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and it's from the podcasters
directory and it's made-up of

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podcasters and people who want
to be on podcasts.

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So this next meeting will be
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to 5:30 PM Eastern Time.
You can adjust it in your own

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mind for your own place.
And this week's topics are and

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it changes every week.
So this week's topics are arts,

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entertainment, sports, outdoors,
travel, and tourism.

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And to get in for free, all you
have to do is use that PMC code

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PMC the initials of our show and
you will get in for free and we

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will have a link for you in the
show notes.

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Dr. Can you just tell us a
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Now obviously I think a lot of
us can put draw our own

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conclusions to what a networking
event is, but can you give us a

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little idea of like what do you
guys actually do there 'cause

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it's virtual, right?
It is.

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It's virtual.
Answer you what?

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Last week I found three,
possibly four really good

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prospects for my clients.
That's why I go.

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I go to find guests for my
clients and for me to find if

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they have podcasts themselves to
see if there is an opportunity

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for a guest swap.
And I found three really good

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prospects possibly for.
So normally you would see these

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kind of events on Zoom.
This is not Zoom.

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This is on a platform, I believe
it's called the Go lunch or go

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brunch or something like that.
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I'm going to be honest, it's not
my favorite platform.

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It's confusing.
And he spends some time at the

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very beginning explaining
everything.

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So with that said, just know
that going in and a lot of

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people attend this.
Each one of these things, arts,

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entertainment, sports, outdoor,
they have their own room, their

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own breakout room, so you can
pick which breakout room you

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want to go into.
There is like a little time

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thing that someone will come in
and say, hey, if you want to

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change your room and maybe you
know, go to another room, feel

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free to do that.
So you can you know, you don't

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have to just be stifled to one
room.

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You can you can travel around.
I'm one of the O GS there and

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they gave us this opportunity to
get for, you know, all the

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listeners to get in for free
using PMC code, discount code.

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And I got to tell you, I think
it's really, I think it's really

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going to be worth your time If
you have a podcast and are

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looking for guests or if your
genre is one of these that I'm

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reading off and you want to be a
guest on a podcast.

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Awesome, thank you Dr. That's
Thursday, October 16th, 4:00 PM.

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We will put a link in the show
notes as well.

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Thanks Dr. Appreciate that.
I know it is cooking time, so go

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make those eggs for the hubby
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here.
And I'm also stalling so I don't

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hit the wrong button.
Let's keep things moving.

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Good morning to Matt.
Oh, and so has Alex.

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We've got a full stage here this
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Thank you to all the Co hosts
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And I'll start with this.
The new prime time for podcasts

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isn't morning anymore.
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research and I'll explain well
first I'll say that I know I

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generally speaking encourage the
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clients.
I usually encourage them to

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publish their new episodes first
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generally it's been known that
people will, when they wake up

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or sometime in the morning
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podcast app and see what's new
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to that morning.
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about in the past, particularly
commute time is often a very

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popular time for people to
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But according to Edison
research, it turns out that now

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people ages 13 and over spend
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time with podcasts.
And the real sweet spot for

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listening is 10:00 AM to 2:00
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all podcast consumption.
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10:00 AM follow closely behind.
So that's it's still relevant

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that advice that we give with
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6:00 PM grabs another 21%.
Even the night owls are in on

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the mix. 11% listen between
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apparently falling asleep to
their favorite hosts between

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6:00 AM.
I'm sorry, between 2:00 AM and

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6:00.
AMI know that I've got a a

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friend of mine who used to
listen religiously to my old

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podcast, the Mark and Lowell
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And I know she used to tell me
she's still she's I listen to

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your podcast every week.
I love it.

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I love when you put it out.
And then she'll go on and say, I

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put it on when I lay in bed and
I'm going to sleep because I

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always fall asleep.
Well, thanks.

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I'm glad that my podcast puts
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Hopefully that wasn't what
everyone was doing because we

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used to get a lot of downloads,
a lot of listening time on our

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podcast.
Hopefully that wasn't people

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just snoozing through our
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But all this data shatters the
myth that podcasting lives and

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dies by the commute.
Listeners are tuning in through

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the work day, as I shared at
Desks Gym, the home offices,

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making midday hours prime real
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episode drops.
If you're releasing at midnight,

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you might be missing your
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listening.
So does this change for anybody?

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Like if you are posting normally
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want your podcast episodes,
let's say, to go out first thing

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in the morning.
Does this change your mind for

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your strategy?
And I'm going to check in with

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Phil better because Phil's one
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And I want everyone to get to
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gotten to know Phil.
And then we'll go to Nick for

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his commentary.
Phil, good morning to you.

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What do you think here?
Do?

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Do you have a strategy as far as
when you post episodes or your

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clients post episodes?
And does this change that

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strategy at all?
Good morning podcast, morning

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chat, and of course, good
morning, Mark.

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No, it doesn't really, because
if they downloaded it, we all

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know that most podcasts, most
podcast listeners have to be

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podcasts that they listen to
religiously.

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You know, they're going to
listen to it whether it comes

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out at 5 AM, 10 AM or 5:00 PM,
they're going to listen to it

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because that's their show.
It's like AB, CS Bank, TGIF,

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everybody new Friday, we're
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at this time.
Those are your shows.

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They're going to watch it,
they're going to listen to it.

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So it doesn't really matter what
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it's, if you know, Mondays at
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As long as you hit that time,
it's your audience will know

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that it's available.
I just don't see like, yes,

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between 10 and noon or 10 and 2
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that's when most people are
consuming this this stuff, but

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they're concerning their
favorites.

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having them download, already

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have them set up to be in their
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Like for me, the time as long as
you get it out before your

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audience needs to.
If they're traveling at 5:00 AM,

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make sure it's out at 5:00 AM.
If they're traveling at 10 AM,

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make sure it's out by 10 AMI.
Just say when do your when does

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your audience listen to it?
Like that's what you're talking

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to industry can be completely
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It's what time is your audience
member, the one person you're

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making this podcast for?
When are they listening to?

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How are they listening to?
Are they listening to it on the

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community?
Are they listening to it at

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work?
Are they, you know, listening to

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it when they're falling asleep,
you know, and listening to Mark

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and Lloyd, to our Mark and.
Lol.

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Lol talk and fall asleep.
You know, maybe it's that, but

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as long as you're getting it out
on the day of and you're always

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consistent around the time, I
don't see any reason why you

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should worry about when people
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Thank you, Phil.
And when you are promoting new

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episodes, do you tell your
audience specifically like it?

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It comes out on Wednesday at
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Do you specifically share that,
publicize the time, or just the

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day?
Just the day I usually post when

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I'm on LinkedIn, I usually tell
people that at around noon,

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between noon and one, I'm
usually posting that the new

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episode is out.
So if they want to go listen to

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they can.
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AM just because I want to make
sure that those people who are

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stuck as my ideal listener is
the Copa 9 to fivers who are who

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want to get out, right.
So they're sometimes up at 5:00

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AM because they have to go get
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They have their kids or
whatever.

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So they're five AMI know some of
them are up.

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So I want to make sure that they
have an episode or whatever

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they're doing in the morning.
Awesome.

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Thank you.
Yeah, I don't know that I hear a

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lot of podcasters actually
saying what time.

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They usually just say what day
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to chime in.
So we're going to get to that

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and I'm going to ask producer
Ashley, can you put up a poll,

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Ashley here on Clubhouse asking
and we can do it on the podcast

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platform on Spotify as well.
We can put the same poll up

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asking people what time of day
do you post new episodes?

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Morning, afternoon, evening or
late night?

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I want to find out because I saw
some people saying 4:00 AM

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including Nick who was the 1st
to raise his hand after we spoke

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to Phil.
So Nick, what did you want to

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add to all this?
Hey, good morning everybody.

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So first I wanted to ask a
question, OK, because obviously

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not being on Apple, does Apple
Podcasts send out a push

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notification when an episode
gets released?

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You know, I have my push
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the podcast app, so I don't know
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Does anybody here know?
Do you get push notifications

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that a new episode has been
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I know that it will update it
within the app automatically, I

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just don't know offhand if it
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find out.
It falls in line with a little

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bit of what Phil was saying
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If the podcast apps aren't
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at a specific time and you're
catching the audience on the

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platform at a specific time, I
kind of think it's irrelevant

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what time you post B.
You'd be better to post in the

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beginning of the day like Phil
was saying so that people who

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wake up early.
You literally catch every one of

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those time slots that you
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earlier.
Because if you're waiting until

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10:00 AM because majority of
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at 10 AM, while you just
excluded whatever 20% of the

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people that might be listening
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So it to me it's a little bit
different to like social media

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or like an e-mail newsletter
where you're trying to test

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people on the platform at the
specific time and timing your

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post to hit when they're there.
I would just rather have it

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already be there when they show
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That's a good point and let me
give you the answer.

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By the way.
The short answer is yes.

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The Apple Podcast app can send
push notifications for new

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episodes, but only if you follow
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Notifications are enabled and
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that specific show within the
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So I believe you can actually
control each show and the way

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that you are notified for each
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Dr. You wanted to say something,
This is crazy.

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We've only had one story so far,
but we've got a lot of

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conversations, so let's hear it.
Go ahead, Dr. Well, normally I

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do for my clients. 4:00 AM
central time.

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However, with this story coming
out, I think I'm willing to

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experiment.
I think I'm willing to

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experiment with this because of
this story.

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I'm not holding out for big
results, but I mean it's worth

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an experiment.
There you go.

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So Dr. is going to try it out.
We're going to go to Matt and

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then Alex.
Go ahead, Matt.

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Good morning.
Good.

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Morning everybody.
The only argument that makes

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sense for selecting a time that
optimizes for anything that I've

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heard is to optimize for the 24
hour window where there may be

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an incentive for AD dollars to
increase and for your downloads

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to be maximized for that initial
24 hour release window.

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Otherwise, I agree with everyone
else, just post whenever makes

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the most sense for you.
Can you dig into that a little

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deeper, Matt?
Let's say that you've got a

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sponsorship deal, and the way
that the sponsor justifies

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either rebuying or increasing or
decreasing their overall CPM is

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based on both the monthly
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and the initial 24 hour 1st 24
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Then it will make the most sense
for you to optimize the release

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window to capture as many
listeners as possible.

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So the way that I would figure
this out if I was doing it is to

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figure out where the majority of
your listeners have come from so

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far.
See which time zones you can

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target, and then move that 24
hour window beginning and end to

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cover as much of the listening
habits of the people that are

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likely to download your episode.
As soon as it comes out or when

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it's convenient for them to
download it, it'll show in the

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pattern.
And that way you'll capture as

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much as you can optimized in
that first 24 hour window, all

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other extenuating circumstances,
which we're all thinking about

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right now ignored.
And I say optimizing and I, I

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always try to say that
optimizing means that you're not

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doing the best thing for
yourself as you would be for

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anything else.
So I was simply saying that as a

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reason to do it.
But I think if it's not really a

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thing to play around with that
the argument I've heard so far

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makes sense.
Like just do you tell people,

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don't tell people.
People will come get it when

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it's there.
That's why the RSS feed is

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great.
Can't argue that.

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Yeah, thank you.
And I think Dr. wants to either

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comment or has a question.
Go ahead, Dr., and then let's

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get to Alex.
So this experiment, this study

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is all about the time of day.
So I think hopefully the next

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logical follow up will be which
day, because that hasn't been

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done for a long time.
We've been coasting on an old,

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like an old study.
So I think it's time to to do

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that study again.
And right now I have one that

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posts on Tuesdays and I would be
willing to experiment with that

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too.
I would just love to see a

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little study come out, you know?
Yeah, I think the older data

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that we've heard and it's maybe
it's refreshed somewhere, we

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should probably go look, but
it's usually Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Thursday are the most popular
days that podcast episodes are

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downloaded.
So yeah, that's what I usually

446
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recommend to most podcasters is
release those days.

447
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,120
And it's not because I think
it's a must, it's just if you're

448
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:31,040
trying to position yourself for
the best possible results, then

449
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,040
take advantage of some of that
data that we understand, like

450
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,600
time of day and day of the week.
Why not just try to position

451
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,280
yourself that way?
For me, it depends on what day

452
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,520
I'm going to run my errands,
because those are the days that

453
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,160
I download a bunch of podcasts
and I listen to them when I'm in

454
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,680
the car.
So for me, it's not any

455
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:58,040
particular day that I listen to
a particular show back in the

456
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,560
day.
Oh no, OK, we need some special

457
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,280
music for when I go back into my
some.

458
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,280
Old.
Timey music.

459
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,480
That's right, right.
Some old timey music.

460
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:12,480
Every Saturday night at 10:00
PM, I'd be sitting in front of

461
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,800
my TV set and I would watch the
Kel Burnett Show.

462
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:20,200
They called that appointment
television.

463
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,440
Appointment television because
it was before you know all the

464
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,160
VCRS and blah blah blah and if
you didn't see it then then you

465
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,960
were screwed people changed
their whole lifestyle around

466
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,800
watching rich man poor man all
of these kind of TV movies I'm.

467
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,680
Going to marry before.
I.

468
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,040
Go on the spot.
I just had to.

469
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,200
Find something.
I love it.

470
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:57,000
Before all that before on
demand, yeah, people changed

471
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,160
their, you know, their dinner
plans.

472
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,400
People changed going out to
party as well as been a rich

473
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,760
man, poor man going to be on
tonight.

474
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,640
No, we have to can't do it
tonight.

475
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,760
So yeah, that was appointment
television and we don't have

476
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,640
appointment podcast listening
because it's all on demand.

477
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,960
Thank you, Dr. That's your
little.

478
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,600
History lesson for the Thank you
so much.

479
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,360
Thank you.
For the thank you for the

480
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,080
history lesson and Alex, I know
you have been waiting patiently.

481
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,080
What did you want to add to wrap
up this part of the

482
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,400
conversation?
I think it's really ironic that

483
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,560
the only person that really has
the time constraint is me in

484
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,280
this whole room.
And I say that because doing

485
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,560
reviews, it's a race to get to
be. 1st.

486
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,560
It is time sensitive.
With the rest of them, it really

487
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,600
doesn't matter.
And I will say if you make it

488
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:52,200
important, then that's great.
Lucy has a, if you want to call

489
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,680
a podcast that she listens to
this woman, Mariah Elizabeth or

490
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,600
whatever, 4:00 Friday.
She drops a new video every

491
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,080
single Friday and that's her
thing because she made it

492
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,880
important.
If you're following sports it's

493
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,640
important to have it out at a
certain time, but midnight is

494
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,320
fine or whenever you want to put
it out.

495
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,720
I think it's fine.
Like Dr. said, people are just

496
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,480
consuming so differently now and
there is no must see TV.

497
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:22,840
Yeah.
Thank you, Alex.

498
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,280
Appreciate that.
Yeah, I think that it always

499
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,720
depends on your show and what
your audience like.

500
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,720
I mean, everybody's really
shared that so far.

501
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,960
It's really what comes down to
what your audience prefers.

502
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,360
And I think when you're doing
time sensitive material being

503
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,840
first, no matter what day and
time it is, I think that's a

504
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,320
very valuable point.
Which I think is.

505
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,320
Really ironic because you know,
when I first started coming in

506
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:51,080
this room, we really have, you
know, doing review shows are

507
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,040
completely different or like
Chris said, sports.

508
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,080
It is just a completely
different animal compared to all

509
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,320
the other genre.
You did a fantasy show, football

510
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,520
show, which again is time
sensitive in a sense, but you

511
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,840
have to get it out either on
Monday or Tuesday.

512
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,880
I guess Wednesday would be the
the latest you could do it.

513
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,160
I guess that's the prime spot
whenever they started to do

514
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,600
their thing and and people are
expecting it then.

515
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,040
Yeah, thank you, Alex.
Good point.

516
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,280
OK, I want to keep things
moving, and so let me do that.

517
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,240
Let's go to the next story here,
the big milestone for Patreon.

518
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,640
For those of you not familiar,
Patreon is more or less like a

519
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,240
membership site.
It's where you can host and

520
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,640
share your content, digital
content for a fee.

521
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,720
People pay a monthly fee for it
and they've hit a big milestone.

522
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,120
The CEO, Jack Conte says the
platform has officially crossed

523
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:55,160
a jaw-dropping milestone of over
$10 billion paid out to creators

524
00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:00,520
since it launched in 2013.
In an interview with Axios,

525
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,560
Conti added that another 2
billion is expected to flow to

526
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,680
creators in 2025.
Patreon now boasts 100 million

527
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:15,120
free users, with roughly 700,000
upgraded to or upgrading to paid

528
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,360
memberships every month, fueling
a total of 25,000,000 active

529
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,960
paid memberships.
And podcasters are cashing in

530
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,840
big.
Last year alone, they

531
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:30,320
collectively earned $472 million
from 6.7 million paid

532
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,200
subscribers.
Not bad for a platform once

533
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,800
dismissed as a digital tip jar.
It's come a long way.

534
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,880
By the way, just real quick, the
results of our live poll here.

535
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,000
What time of day do you post new
episodes?

536
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,120
100% said morning up.
Just as I said it, somebody

537
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,720
changed the results on me. 92%
post in the morning.

538
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,520
One person says late night.
So that's yeah, there you go.

539
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,880
And I did see in the chat that
Yvonne said she posts she's an

540
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,600
oddball and posts late night.
So maybe that was Yvonne's vote.

541
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,000
When I can get the editing done,
How about that?

542
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,040
Yeah.
Right now, I'm sure that's a

543
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,800
common answer as well, Alex.
OK, some other news.

544
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,760
I'm going to rifle through a few
of these here.

545
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Big moves at North North Flow.
I share this because our friend

546
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,760
Simona Costantini, who was
supposed to join us this

547
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,480
morning, but I know she also
said she had an early client

548
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,520
call.
She's one of the founders of

549
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,640
North Flow, which is basically a
workflow management tool for

550
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,200
creators, podcast podcasters and
the Content Planning platform

551
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,040
just brought on three strategic
advisors to help sharpen their

552
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,200
road map and double down on
tools built for agencies and

553
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,640
creators.
We're talking about podcasts.

554
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,640
Hall of Famer Daniel J Lewis,
content strategist and friend of

555
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,360
mine and of our community, Anna
Xavier and pod news editor James

556
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,320
Cridlin.
Those are some serious brains in

557
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,880
the room.
And if, like I said, if you're

558
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,400
not familiar with N Flow yet, it
launched back in January, it's

559
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,880
already gaining traction.
And the cool part, as I said, we

560
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,600
have a connection to it with
Simona Costantini.

561
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,199
So check out N Flow if you're
interested.

562
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,120
They are really trying to do
some big things over there and

563
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,840
we love supporting fellow
community members.

564
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,639
And if you've heard of an
independent podcast going

565
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:40,880
corporate, that's pretty common.
But here's a podcast that went

566
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:46,320
from corporate to independent
Brains on breaks free beloved

567
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,360
kids podcast goes indie after
APM sell off.

568
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,199
American Public Media has handed
off its hit kids podcast Brains

569
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,840
On, along with its companion
shows and business to the show's

570
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,200
original creator, Molly Bloom.
Mark Sanchez.

571
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,520
I should say creators Molly
Bloom, Mark Sanchez and Satan

572
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,080
Totten.
The move comes amid financial

573
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,400
strain at 8:00 PM.
Now fully independent, the

574
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,680
brains on Universe will rely on
listener support through

575
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,680
subscriptions and donations.
Maybe they're using Patreon, You

576
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,560
never know.
Fans won't have to wait long.

577
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,440
New episodes drop later this
month, with live events

578
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,120
returning in Chicago.
So have we come up with the

579
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,640
name, the word for opposite of?
I know it says corporate here,

580
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,000
but I just wrote that because I
didn't know what else to put in.

581
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,280
What is the opposite when it
comes to an independent podcast?

582
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,080
What would be the opposite of
that?

583
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,040
I think.
I think.

584
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,320
Corporate, no, we didn't.
I remember we yes, we were

585
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,760
having that conversation.
And I think corporate works well

586
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,040
for me.
I know it's not perfect and you

587
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,640
could even split it out into
more categories, corporate

588
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,480
network podcast, independent
podcast.

589
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,440
I think they're probably a a
handful of labels that we could

590
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,880
put on certain types of
podcasters and Dr. you want to

591
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,000
take story number six?
This is the one of the big

592
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,000
headlines.
Netflix and Spotify have teamed

593
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000
up and I think this is an
important one to dig into.

594
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,960
Absolutely.
So video podcasts are coming to

595
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:24,840
your TV in 2026.
So thanks to Simona for sharing

596
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,720
the story with us.
Spotify and Netflix have struck

597
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:34,120
a deal to bring a curated slate
of Spotify video podcast.

598
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Gee, I wonder what that could
be.

599
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,680
Joe Robin to Netflix starting
early 2026.

600
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:46,040
From sports to true crime, the
partnership could rewrite where

601
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,240
and how we watch podcasts and
who wins attention in the

602
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:53,160
streaming wards.
I will.

603
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,040
I will jump ahead for you, Dr.,
to say that currently Joe Rogan

604
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,480
is not part of this deal.
Currently, well, technically

605
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,360
anyone can be.
Anyone who's on YouTube can be

606
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,680
on your TV.
True.

607
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,160
And this is specific to a
streaming TV service.

608
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,680
So I think that's why they're
kind of, that's why this article

609
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,000
is kind of packaging it as such.
So here are some key points.

610
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,480
Netflix will begin streaming
Select Video podcast from

611
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,760
Spotify and The Ringer on its
platform.

612
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,720
Launching in the US in early
2026, the deal includes shows

613
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:35,720
like The Bill Simmons Podcast,
The Rewatchables, Conspiracy

614
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:40,080
Theories, The Zach Lowe Show,
and more across sports, culture,

615
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,800
lifestyle, and true Prime.
The Joe Rogan Experience,

616
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:49,480
despite being Spotify's most
listened show, is not part of

617
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,480
the deal, at least not in this
initial slate.

618
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,800
My thought there is Dr. that
it's, it's not part of the joke.

619
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,800
Well, yeah.
And it's probably not in his

620
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,920
contract.
There's something that probably

621
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,680
says they can't do something
like this either without his

622
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,240
permission or a change in his
contract.

623
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:10,640
So my guess is they're probably
working behind the scenes to see

624
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,800
if they can make that happen.
I'm sure Netflix would love to

625
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,360
have the Joe Rogan Experience on
their streaming platform.

626
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,680
Joe is just singing the money
song in his head all day long.

627
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,840
Yeah.
The video podcast offering will

628
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,200
be available on both Netflix and
Spotify.

629
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:33,280
Not as Netflix exclusives
though.

630
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,520
The video versions will be
pulled from YouTube.

631
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:41,480
The move signals Netflix's
intention to diversify into non

632
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,680
scripted, conversational and
quote UN quote creator driven

633
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,120
formats as an extension of its
content ecosystem.

634
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:57,160
For Spotify, this is part of a
broader video push growing its

635
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,280
video podcast catalog,
monetization tools and discovery

636
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,560
mechanisms.
The deal remains relatively

637
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,360
opaque.
Opaque, yeah, in terms of

638
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,040
financials, revenue splits and
AD models, especially how

639
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,760
advertising will translate
across platforms.

640
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,680
And global Expansion is planned
beyond the US, and additional

641
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,480
podcast titles are likely to
join over time.

642
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,480
Thank you, Dr. Let's Alex has
something.

643
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,880
So yeah, let's go to Alex.
This is actually a great move

644
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,200
for Netflix.
I agree.

645
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,880
They're gonna make a lot of the
money out of this.

646
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,240
I mean, and, and I just think
that when you look at the genres

647
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,320
that they talked about, I'm just
thinking about the kids

648
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,200
podcasts.
They're gonna.

649
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,040
Go through the roof.
I mean, it's not that they

650
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:55,640
already have it, but like kids,
Netflix is its own animal.

651
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,760
And there's going to be some new
stars that are going to be

652
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,000
created and there's going to be
people that didn't have a lot of

653
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,960
money that are going to be
making a lot of money, I think.

654
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,520
And just because people are
creatures of habit.

655
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,800
And I can't wait to hear that
Disney Plus is going to get into

656
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,240
the game, if they haven't
already.

657
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,680
And you know, this is going to
be the next war on streaming, I

658
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,520
think.
Yeah, I I think you're right.

659
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,040
I think we will see other
streaming platforms start to do

660
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,880
the same thing, especially if
this becomes successful for

661
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,960
Netflix.
And I agree with Alex, I think

662
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:38,280
this is going to both both help
new podcasters or new to maybe

663
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,200
the mass masses out there.
And I also think it's going to

664
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,800
help existing podcasts in a in a
way that they hadn't expected.

665
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,200
I think that this is going to,
again, it's just going to get

666
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,520
the word out to more people.
More people will be exposed to

667
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,600
these podcasts.
And yes, they are in these

668
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,960
cases, all name podcasts.
And I think it just means

669
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,640
they're going to find more
success.

670
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,040
At least some of them will for
sure.

671
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,320
And yeah, I think that this
could be huge with podcasts for

672
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,520
kids because I, I, I mean, I
know at least in my own circles

673
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,320
and my own experiences, kids can
navigate around Netflix no

674
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,120
problem.
And when they start stumbling on

675
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,440
podcasts for themselves, I think
that will, yeah, that will

676
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,760
really catapult this category on
Netflix.

677
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:25,840
Yeah.
Matt, did you want to say

678
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,600
something?
Just two thoughts I have that

679
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,640
the intuitive answer that I have
for this is that it's not going

680
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,200
to make a big difference.
It's ever since Star over CEO

681
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,960
planted himself in a cinema and
I heard 28 people bought tickets

682
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,400
in London.
I'm not sure if it was the Odeon

683
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,280
or wherever it was, but trying
to move podcasts off the current

684
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,160
platform intuitively to me I
don't think it's going to work.

685
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,600
What I do enjoy thinking about
is the idea of established

686
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:01,920
platforms with memberships
creating space for to create

687
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,320
opportunities for people to
monetize more easily if the

688
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,720
opportunity is there.
And I so for example, I see this

689
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,000
Netflix opportunity for what
they're testing.

690
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,480
The end stage could be something
like what Alex and Philippo is

691
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,200
doing with his podcast network.
He's laying the groundwork in

692
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,040
the wrong way for people to join
the network and monetize with

693
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,360
the performance they get with as
little administrative and labour

694
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,000
intensive overhead as possible.
I can see Netflix, if this works

695
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,400
in a couple of years, creating
the Netflix app the same way

696
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,640
they've had Netflix games that
you install on your device.

697
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,840
There's a set of things you can
do, you can access on your phone

698
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,360
just like a regular podcast app,
and it does the job.

699
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,960
But the other side of this is
that we are pivoting.

700
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,600
If that happens, it's a pivot
again into a different

701
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,360
redefinition of what podcasting
is and where it should live.

702
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,240
And I mean, Patreon gets a pass
this time.

703
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,000
I don't know how far this could
possibly go, but you know,

704
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,240
that's the intuition and that's
the the cognition sides of what

705
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:17,680
I think about this.
But see, the way I look at it,

706
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,760
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to jump
get filled, but I'm doing it

707
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,280
anyways because he's nice and
he's from Canada.

708
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,280
So it doesn't matter.
What I was going to say, Matt,

709
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,760
is I think what you're saying, I
just know with the way my

710
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:36,040
daughter absorbs content, if you
have the right show on Netflix,

711
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,600
it's going to go through the
roof and and you get the right

712
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,720
kids show.
And I'm just using that because

713
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:45,760
that's the one I'm at right this
second.

714
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:51,160
I mean, the dumbest show in the
world is the Cake is a humongous

715
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,120
hit and everybody knows that.
Who has kids?

716
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,640
I hear what you're saying.
Miss Rachel is someone I'm aware

717
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,280
of too, and I couldn't stand
that.

718
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,560
So dumb that it's.
Awesome.

719
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,440
Right.
And that's my point is I think

720
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,480
that, you know, the difference
between what you were saying

721
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:14,120
about Diary's CEO is this is
going back to what Dr. said, it

722
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,560
has to do with convenience.
It's must see TV and you don't

723
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,400
have to do any work for it
because it's on Netflix.

724
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,360
It's a friend.
And I think that's what that's

725
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,720
the difference between doing a
live versus anything else all

726
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:30,160
you're doing.
I mean, yeah, it's just another

727
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,000
platform, but I it's a
comfortable platform.

728
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,240
And so just very quickly before
Phil jumps in.

729
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,080
Before Phil tells us.
My response to that is that the

730
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,160
the the stage to think about
practically what I'm suggesting

731
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,360
here is what you're talking
about.

732
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,040
Like it has to be the thing
that's going to capture

733
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,800
attention.
If three people watch it on a

734
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,520
Netflix membership, they're
probably going to either boot it

735
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,160
off or not give it the
opportunity to make it there.

736
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,520
So it's going to be the shows
that either have to pay to play

737
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:04,040
or the ones that have enough
credibility behind them that

738
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Netflix will make them an offer.
And I think this is where it's

739
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,240
starting to blend, funnily
enough, looping back to Dr.

740
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,440
talking about standard
television, the kind of

741
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,040
gatekeeping that TV has or had
back in the day where only the

742
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,400
stuff that people were going to
watch would make it as far.

743
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,280
And a very few people had the
opportunity to decide what would

744
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,280
get there.
And they had the ways to Rd.

745
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,680
test that.
They can beta test it, you know.

746
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,160
But sorry, Phil, you're very
comfortably and apologetically

747
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,320
sitting there waiting for your
chance.

748
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,320
I'm just a friendly Canadian.
I'm sorry that I have to eat

749
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,000
last to come on.
So what everybody's saying is,

750
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,760
so it's just another platform,
but streaming platforms have

751
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,640
been doing this for a while.
I got reached out last year by a

752
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,520
company called Binge Network.
They have their own streaming

753
00:45:54,520 --> 00:46:00,280
platform, but they also access
as a broker to the big time

754
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,120
platform.
So you're talking Amazon Prime,

755
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,040
Netflix, Hulu, all the all these
big time platforms that

756
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,640
streaming platforms out there,
TV as well.

757
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,280
They ask if they act as the
broker and there are a lot of

758
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,240
platforms looking for content
because we are all content

759
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,200
creators.
We are all creators of something

760
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,080
that people love.
So if you're doing video or

761
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:29,360
audio, they'll actually work to
get your your podcasts on

762
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,880
platforms and get you paid.
So this has been going on for

763
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:39,000
quite some time that the stream
platforms, they are desperate

764
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,680
for content.
So I see this is no different

765
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,480
than them going Amazon asking
Mr. Beasts to make the Beast

766
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,440
games.
This is just them looking for

767
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,240
content because they can't
create content enough.

768
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,280
So they're looking for content
that's already created that they

769
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,360
can just easily buy at a cheap,
cheap premium.

770
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,680
And they'll test to see whether
or not the big one, if they

771
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,240
actually make money.
That's why they're going with

772
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,520
the big guys and girls who
already have a name because

773
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,560
they're like, oh, people will
watch it because there is a name

774
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,400
instead of it's the audience
that actually dictates it.

775
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,960
And the reason why these
podcasts are so big is because

776
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,600
of the audience.
And if the audience is like, no,

777
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:29,760
I, I listen to the show on my
phone on Apple Podcasts, they're

778
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,760
going to stay there.
It's only if they're only going

779
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,280
to get a capture a few new
people, because I think most of

780
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,400
the listeners are already locked
in on the platform of their

781
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,800
choice.
So you're going to get the 123

782
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,120
percent that may not be aware of
these podcasts.

783
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,520
All right, I was going to
comment, but I'm going to let

784
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,880
Matt do it because I just saw
his hand go up.

785
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,480
Go ahead, Matt.
I was just going to ask, did was

786
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,920
it mentioned that they were
going to remove content on free

787
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,240
platforms to only make it
available on Netflix in?

788
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,040
Full.
I don't think so.

789
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,160
I don't think they're doing that
from what I read I read.

790
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,360
That somewhere, but let's be
fair, who knows what kind of

791
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,960
news outlet decides to put which
thing in it, how accurate it is.

792
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,920
But that would be a thing too.
Like if all of a sudden Apple

793
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,760
Podcasts becomes Eclipse
channel, Eclipse platform to

794
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,440
decide what you're going to
watch on Netflix, that that

795
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,400
could be a really interesting
kind of dystopian end game for

796
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,600
podcast platforms.
Just just as a a comment on what

797
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,920
you said there, Phil.
Well, if, if Apple does that or

798
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,360
if any major platform does that,
that podcaster is no longer in

799
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,840
my rotation.
If I have to pay to listen to

800
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:45,280
the actual full episode, you're
unless it's something that I've

801
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,480
been supporting for a long time,
there's a good chance that you

802
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,880
get out of my rotation.
Podcasting is meant to be free

803
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,800
to listen.
That's what we built this plot

804
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,600
for this, this thing was built.
Podcasting was built on the free

805
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,440
premium model.
Like yes, you get the episodes

806
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,440
for free, but you want extra.
You can pay for extra, but the

807
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,360
episodes were always meant to be
free.

808
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,160
So if anybody's putting their
stuff behind a pay ball, there's

809
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,480
a chance that I'm going to,
they're going to lose audiences

810
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,520
and it's all the, it's just like
Netflix lifting up the prices

811
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,680
every like 6 months or a year.
They're going to lose some

812
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,280
audience, but they're going to
probably make back what they

813
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,560
lost.
So it all depends.

814
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,320
I'm not someone who's big on
siloing content.

815
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,200
You should be like omnipresent
everywhere.

816
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,320
Let's push it even further.
I wrote in the comments in the

817
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,480
chat, sorry Mark, this might be
going a little bit.

818
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,520
Go ahead.
I said this is a great

819
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,240
opportunity for a new kind of
job position in podcasting where

820
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:52,400
someone or a company or a new
kind of agency can represent

821
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,720
podcasters to distribute their
content on streaming platforms.

822
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:59,400
Just like you said, the binge
networks thing, If that's the

823
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:05,120
the case, then maybe the podcast
mogul, the podcast with an

824
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,080
established audience says, hey,
I can license my content

825
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,960
wherever I want.
I own it.

826
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,320
And all of a sudden, funnily
enough, Binge and Stan and

827
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,680
Foxtel in Australia can option
it.

828
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,320
You've got Netflix, you've got
Hulu, you've got Roku, you've

829
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,600
got Crave in Canada.
Ha ha.

830
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:27,360
I watch Z and Letterkenny like
there's so many places that you

831
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,520
can option the content and all
of a sudden it becomes a multi

832
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,760
stream opportunity for
podcasters to make even more

833
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,440
money on their content.
Now what how the platforms

834
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,080
distribute.
That could be the other

835
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,560
interesting thing too.
My other picture to you was

836
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,480
going to be OK.
Now we have Netflix freemium,

837
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,160
the Netflix pod app where you
get the occasional ad.

838
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:51,960
Podcasters get paid for the
number of views and retention

839
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,080
time they get based on some
weird formulaic way that they

840
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,440
stooge the podcaster.
But move on from that if that's

841
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,560
a possibility because they're
going to get the most people if

842
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,720
there's a freemium model like
you said, and if people don't

843
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,160
feel like they're missing out
and they become a Netflix

844
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:10,920
customer, that's a way to avoid
the in avoiding language in

845
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,800
poopification stage that they're
currently at.

846
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,600
And to expand even further into
other applications, I'm not

847
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,480
going to say the other one, just
in case there's no explicit on

848
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,040
on this podcast when it.
We don't want to give Ashley

849
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,400
extra work to do.
I was going to say, maybe we

850
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,880
will.
Ashley wants to consider this

851
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,440
the title of today's episode.
Poopify.

852
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,680
Netflix, What comes next?
Yeah.

853
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,720
Anyway, there's just, there's so
many levels to this film that

854
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,240
all the all the things you're
talking about, they will address

855
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:44,200
them through the economy and the
supply and demand cycle.

856
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,960
And it's just how capitalism
works.

857
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,520
So we'll just have to see how
this experiment goes and and

858
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,120
figure out what we're going to
do all the way down here in

859
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,000
independent land and try to
figure things out.

860
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,320
I was just going to agree with
Matt on your points.

861
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,400
Like, yeah, it is kind of like
the pupilification of

862
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,560
everything.
And I think us independents are

863
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,480
getting screwed because we see
the what the big cats are doing

864
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,640
and we think we need to do the
exact same.

865
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,360
And I think the platforms are
going to take advantage of it.

866
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,240
We do need I, I love the idea of
someone being a representation,

867
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:22,640
A representer to the brands, to
the, the streaming platforms and

868
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,880
taking care of podcasters, like
looking out for podcasters

869
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,600
first.
So I love that idea.

870
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,880
I wear that's something I may
look into.

871
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,240
But I, I do love the shadow to
crave.

872
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:35,760
So I thank you very much for
that, Matthew, for giving that

873
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,640
the Canadian streaming platform
some love.

874
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,080
So thank you for that.
I think that thank you both for

875
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,920
that conversation and for me on
my short version, would I think

876
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,320
about all this?
I think it only helps podcasting

877
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:55,440
in the sense that it's going to
expose podcasting to more

878
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,760
people.
Yes, I know it's going to only

879
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,960
expose a certain kind of
podcast, it's going to expose

880
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,720
only certain names perhaps
etcetera.

881
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:08,640
But I think that it's, I love
the idea of a mainstream

882
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:14,040
platform putting podcasting out
there to more people who really

883
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,040
may have never heard of
podcasting.

884
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,680
Yes, there are still people like
that.

885
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,840
And the ones that have have
heard of it maybe just don't

886
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,480
really get it and don't
understand.

887
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,840
And this will at least give them
a taste, give them the exposure

888
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,760
and help podcasting long term,
in my opinion.

889
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,720
Dr. Did you want to add
something?

890
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,480
Phil mentioned the word
representation, and that brings

891
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,920
in unionized, does it not?
Which is something that

892
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:46,480
podcasters talked about a long
time ago and it kind of fizzled

893
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,240
out.
But now, with new platforms

894
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:55,440
popping up, unionization might
also pop back up.

895
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,280
Yes, interesting.
So to be continued, I suppose,

896
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,200
as we'll see how this all works
out and we will, I'm sure, talk

897
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more about it in 2026 when
Netflix releases podcasts on

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their platform.
Also, by the way, I want to just

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remind everybody, if you are
interested in learning or

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hearing more about this past
Empowered Podcasting conference

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we had at the end of September,
Yvonne has a whole episode out

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coming out today.
The Late Bloomer Living Podcast

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is recapping her experience at
the conference and you can check

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that out at Late Bloomer
living.com/blog slash episode

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Dash 245 or just go to
latebloomerliving.com and search

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for episode 245 over there.
We, I am excited to hear it.

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Yvonne, thanks for the heads up.
We will go check that out and I

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will also let you know that
tomorrow we will be covering

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more headlines because we have a
ton of stories that we think

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would be of interest to you that
we have not gotten to yet.

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So we will do more of this
tomorrow on the Podcasting

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morning chat.
You can pick up

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oldepisodesorheartodaysepisode@podpage.com/PMC.
Come join us over there as well.

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And until tomorrow, make it a
great day.

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Everybody take care.