312 - Apple & Canva Join Forces, VEO 3 Drops, and Upcoming Events

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Wednesday, May 28th,
2025, and today we're digging

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into a fresh batch of podcasting
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upgrades, accessibility shifts,
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podcasting's new power player.
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Thanks for being here.
Good morning again, podcasting,

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Morning chat.
Thank you for being here.

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I am your host, Mark Ronik, and
on stage here on Clubhouse with

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me we have producer Ashley
Feller, Dr. Faye, Nick Naulback,

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Amanda Sharp and Sid Meadows.
And yes, if you're listening on

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Clubhouse, you may have heard me
sneak in YouTube.

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We are live again on YouTube.
I'm going to continue trying

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that out, seeing how that goes.
So far, I can't say it's hasn't

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gone well, but it so far really
hasn't made a lot of noise yet.

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But as we say, consistency is
key.

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So if you want to come watch
what I'm doing, there's probably

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like a what did we figure out
yesterday?

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Dr. Around a 22nd delay between
YouTube and Clubhouse.

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Yeah, anywhere from 18 to 20
seconds kind of thing.

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I was listening to you in my
ears on Clubhouse, and then I

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was also watching in silence and
I waited for, you know, someone

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to stop talking.
And then you started and I timed

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it so it came out to be between
18 seconds and 20.

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Yeah, yeah.
So if you are listening via

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podcast the way you can check in
at 7:00 AM, just go to YouTube

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and search for me at Markronic
MARCRONICK.

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You'll find the live stream
happening there.

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It's a little weird 'cause I had
to pull up the link to share it

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with you here on Clubhouse.
It's a little weird seeing

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myself talking on screen like a
YouTube video.

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I got to get that off here.
It's gonna.

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Do you think it should be so?
Do you think it should be on

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your Markronic's channel instead
of its own channel?

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Instead of a, you know,
podcasting morning chat channel?

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Do you think that that would
hinder discovery at all?

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You know, and, and I feel like
when I was away, maybe you guys

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address something similar with
Kate when she came in asking

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about whether she should have a
separate Instagram channel from

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her own personal one.
And yeah, you know, it's, it's

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an ongoing struggle with me.
I I'm not sure because on one

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hand what I like is that
everything under my brand, the

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Markronic brand, all streams or
is uploaded to that Channel.

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So that could be stuff from the
podcasting morning chat.

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It could be other stuff that
that's all under my brand.

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I like that idea.
But I do hear the argument about

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it being separated for discovery
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I don't know.
I just don't know which one

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really is the more effective
way.

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Life is an experiment.
Yeah, it is.

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And what did Mike say here in
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He thinks he says good morning.
FYI, was talking with Pat Flynn

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yesterday and brought up our
discussion about social media

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posts.
He tended to agree with the

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majority of the room regarding
posting on social media.

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Do what you can, but focus on
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He thinks Gary Vee's push is
unrealistic for most podcasters

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in terms of numbers.
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So yesterday we talked a little
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Thank you, Mike.
We talked a little bit about

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Gary Vee's philosophy of posting
at 10 to 15 times a day, and we

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pushed back a little bit on that
and said it's just not

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realistic.
You know, if you're Gary Vee,

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sure, that's easy.
You've got a whole team.

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But most of us don't.
And the team probably pre

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scheduled it anyway so.
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Yeah, yeah, there's a whole,
it's a whole machine going on

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there.
So yes, I appreciate that.

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Mike, you asked Pat Flynn about
that, and I'm glad Pat and I are

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on the same page about that.
I am a little disappointed and I

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still love Pat Flynn.
I'm a little sad because we were

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this close to having Pat Flynn
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Empowered Podcasting, our
conference.

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He was going to actually attend
virtually because the following

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week he has his, I think, his
own event going on.

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So to have asked him to come
here and then go back there.

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For this coming, this coming one
or the last one?

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No, this coming one, Yeah.
We were in talks with the Pat

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Flynn team.
Thanks to our friend Janaid, who

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has a direct connection to Pat.
So I was actually going to say

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to MM, next time you talk to
Pat, give him a little nudge

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like, hey, you really should do
this empowered podcasting

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conference thing.
It's a thing.

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You got to be a part of it.
See if you can nudge him on.

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Mike wants to come up and then
we'll get to the news in a

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moment.
And it's we're going to start

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with something fun that Dr.
found in in the news.

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Mike, you want to come on up?
I just invited you, Mike.

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Good morning.
Hey, good morning.

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Yeah, I was on a call with about
10 people with that yesterday.

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And because I'm doing an
accelerator with him and I'll

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see him again in about a month.
So on another kind of smaller

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Zoom type of call thing on
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But yeah, I'll, I'll definitely
try to get him to reconsider

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with you directly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We want him to reconsider.
I'd love for him to wake up

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early one morning to come here,
but he is on the West Coast so

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that'll be.
That would be super early.

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And I was thinking, I was saying
because my original pitch was he

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would be the opening speaker
Saturday morning or maybe it

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would be AQ and A with me and
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But I think maybe by saying
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could have been a problem
looking back at it because he's

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on the West Coast.
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even if we start at 9:00, which
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early, but if we were to kick
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his time.
That might be, he might have

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just said, yeah, I ain't doing
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So I should have rethought it
and said maybe he could be our

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closing keynote speaker.
So either way, Mike, since you

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have a Direct Line to Pat, even
if it's in a month from now,

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give him a little nudge.
Tell him how awesome this

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community is and how much we
praise Pat Flynn.

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Yeah, I did bring up the
community yesterday and told him

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that Janae and I participate
pretty much every day in this

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discussions.
I was trying to kind of promote

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it to some other aspiring
podcasters that were in this

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accelerator cohort, whatever you
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So.
I love that.

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Thank you.
Thank you for doing that, Mike.

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And actually, that's reminds me,
I've been meaning to ask all of

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you here, please share the news,
share this podcast with a fellow

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podcaster.
I know I say it at the beginning

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of every show, and maybe I'm not
saying it with enough meaning,

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with enough heart.
We want to spread the word here.

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And you know, I've been putting
money into advertising and that

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kind of stuff.
But to me, there's really

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nothing stronger than the power
of word of mouth and referrals

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recommendations.
So please consider sharing this.

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I don't mind where you share it,
how you share it.

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Just please share it.
And thank you, Yvonne, for

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telling other podcasters about
the group all the time.

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I appreciate you and encourage
everybody to join in on that

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fun.
And while you're at it, invite

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some people in right now this
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And Greg, Dan, Austin, Lee,
Adam, Yvonne, thank you for

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being in the audience.
And of course, Mike, thank you

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for jumping up here on stage and
sharing.

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Love that.
All right, so we're going to

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kick the news off.
Let me do it with the music.

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We're going to kick the news off
today with a fun little news

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story that Dr. Saw Dr. I'll let
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I know in a few minutes you've
got to go cook some eggs for the

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hubby.
But if you want to set it up,

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I'm happy to take it over
whenever you need to take a

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break.
Okie dokie.

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OK, so I found this article.
It's from Cosmopolitan, so most

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of it skews female, but it's
still kind of fun.

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It's the perfect podcast to
listen to based on your Zodiac

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sign.
So who wants to give me their

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Zodiac sign?
I'll start.

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Let's do it for Leo, of course,
and being a being a Leo, of

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course, I would jump in and say
I'll start because we always

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want all that attention.
Leo Leo, The podcast is called

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We Can Do Hard Things.
Leo, you're known for your

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confidence in fire, but
underneath that spotlight,

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you've got a big soft art that
feels deeply.

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We Can Do Hard Things, hosted by
Glennon Doyle, Amanda Doyle and

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Abby Wombach, speaks directly to
that tender, powerful part of

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you.
It's raw, real, and full of

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emotional truths that cut
through the noise.

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These conversations about love,
boundaries, self worth, and

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healing are exactly what your
brave heart craves when the

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world feels overwhelming.
All right, I'm going to

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encourage all of us to take the
advice and let's see how much it

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resonates with us.
So for me that was again, what

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was this show?
For me that was we can do hard.

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Things.
I mean, look, if I saw that

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title, I'd be interested in
hearing it.

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Yeah.
I mean, that's yeah.

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All right.
So who else wants to?

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So now for me, we prefer to call
ourselves Moon child.

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We don't like the C word cancer.
But you know, And OK, so mine

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would be something called naked
beauty.

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That tracks.
OK.

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So deeply emotional, intuitive
and nostalgic.

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Cancer thrives in content that
feels personal.

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Brooke Devard's Naked Beauty is
more than a beauty podcast.

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It's a love letter to ritual,
identity and self-expression.

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Through intimate conversations
you get comfort, cultural

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richness and emotional
nourishment to soothing, sincere

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and full of meaning.
Basically, it's a podcast hug

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with an edge, and it taps into
your need to feel seen and

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understood, like the one-on-one
heart to heart you didn't know

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you needed.
No.

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Nice one.
All right.

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Well, who else?
Anyone else want to tell us your

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sign and we'll tell you what
podcast recommendation you

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should listen to based on that
sign?

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Let's see, Ashley, I know you
said you were having some issues

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with your mic.
Let's see if we can hear you.

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Go ahead.
I think it was a glitch.

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My sign is a Libra.
Libra, hold on.

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OK, here we go.
Libra.

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The show is called Everything is
Fine.

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Libras are ruled by Venus, which
means you crave elegance,

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balance, aesthetics and
meaningful conversation.

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Everything Is Fine is hosted by
Kim France and Jen Oh Romolini

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offers thoughtful dialogue with
stylish weight, whether it's

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navigating midlife, pop culture,
or relationships.

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It's witty, well paced, and
beautifully relatable.

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Think bestie energy, but with
matching outfits and clever

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banter.
It's the kind of podcast you'll

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listen to while reorganizing
your bookshelves by color and

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texting your group chat that
emotional labor.

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OK, there it is, Ashley.
And then I saw Lee think it was

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Lee in the chat.
Yeah, Lee's called out for

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Pisces.
And unfortunately, I think that

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this is a cop out.
I'll take it from here, Dr.

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'cause I know you have to go
make some eggs.

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Yeah, so this one is a cop out
in my opinion.

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They chose a podcast called
Pisces.

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I'm such a Pisces or it's just
called I'm such a Pisces.

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It says Pisces, you are the
feelings and this podcast knows

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it.
I'm such a Pisces hold hosted by

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Lauren and has had oh I'm sorry,
had a saw.

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I think that's how you pronounce
it too.

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Self aware, hilarious.
Pisces is astrology talk meets

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emotional unraveling meets best
friend energy.

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I would say this definitely
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type of podcast.
It's heartfelt, funny,

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occasionally chaotic, and deeply
validating in ways that feels

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like someone finally put your
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From cosmic deep dives to life
updates full of mood swings and

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intuition, this podcast
celebrates your most Piscean

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traits, empathy, imagination,
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once.
Lee put in the chat if that

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resonates with you or not.
And all right, Nick is putting

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in A and then what we're going
to do is we will, we will

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definitely link to this so that
if you are listening and want to

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hear your sign and your
recommendation, you can do it.

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Aquarius is for maintenance
phase.

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That's the name of the podcast
Maintenance phase.

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Rebellious, intelligent, and
justice oriented, Aquarius

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thrives on content that
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Maintenance Phase dives into the
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diet culture with humor, facts,
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You'll love how it dismantles
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society clings to them.
It's educational, liberating,

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and gives you receipts to bring
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debate.
It's exactly the kind of podcast

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that fuels your inner disruptor.
Clever, evidence based, and two

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steps ahead of the status quo.
Nick, what do you think?

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Does that spark your interest at
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Be honest.
That actually takes my interest

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I I haven't checked that one
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OK, All right, cool.
There you go.

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So we will put a link in the
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Cosmopolitan.
Amanda, did you have something?

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Yeah.
I was just wondering like who

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else thought like how much did
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recommendation?
That's where my mind thought.

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I was like, ha, that's a pretty
penny.

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I love the skeptic in you and
yeah, I mean, did they it could

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have very well been paid.
I I don't know, though, for some

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reason, I feel like they just
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it up based on those signs.
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if maybe call her daddy is
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know if they need to.
They're they're recommended for

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Aries and I don't know that
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Need to do anything that would
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definitely is paid ad space, so
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We should dig in.
We will try to find it.

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And while we have you, Amanda,
how are the little chicks doing?

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So bad.
You keep saying that on all your

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tik toks that they are very
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does that mean?
Imagine having 5 toddlers, 5

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toddlers that if you touch one,
they all want the attention.

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But if you touch one nut like
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If you put something in there
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taking out of my hand, that has
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They want the thing that's in
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They're really sassy, they make
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fast and this girl doesn't.
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anymore because I can hardly
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These are just 4 weeks old
friends like this is.

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So you're doing the chicken
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and that kind of stuff.
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Yes and just try to like know
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all the things and it's been.
I research so much.

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I spent years researching I to
the point of like I knew exactly

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what breed to get and then I was
like everything I've researched

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is wrong.
So I'm learning.

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They're really good though.
They're like, they're really

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sweet, but they're just don't
get chickens.

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Just don't do it.
And how is it doing as far as

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your content?
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things I love about what you do
with your content is you tend to

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find a thing, whether it's a
hobby or just something you're

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fascinated with, and then you go
all in on it and you share all

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sorts of content around That
last thing was your bread

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making, that I recall anyway.
So yeah, how is it going as far

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as content?
You know, the Internet does not

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like these chicks as much as I
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They much better like a bread
reveal.

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So I'm still allowing myself
this time to document the chicks

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being this size because
eventually they're just going to

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be the size that they'll be.
So this is something that I've

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done with my personal social
media since I started.

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It's like a little diary or a
journal for me just as much as

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others who want to be a part of
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So to me, I'm like, I need to
give this time, document this

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space, this journey, because I
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So I'm looking forward to, in a
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back to those memories and just
kind of looking at how little

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they were and the adventures
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I love it.
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Well keep us posted on them and
if you ever get more, I would

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say put a camera on those eggs
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you that's a kind of a reveal,
especially if you put it in fast

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pace.
That's the kind of reveal people

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would love.
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And I didn't, I didn't.
I bought these from a breeder so

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I didn't incubate.
Them.

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Oh, OK, so you got them already
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Yes, like at like 2 days old.
OK, got it.

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Got it.
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Crazy babies, yeah.
Well, thank you for sharing.

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All right, so let's dive into
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Dr. will tell me when she
returns.

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I will, I will kick things.
Oh, there she is back.

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OK, so as I like to start things
off, I'd like to start it with a

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little podcast data.
This is as of yesterday, the

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number one podcast on Apple is
Deep Cover, another true crime

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podcast.
And I'm going to skip number one

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for Spotify, Spotify for Spotify
because Dr. will give us the top

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five because there's usually the
same podcast at the number one

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spot.
But I will tell you over the

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last week, 198,222 podcasts
published at least one new

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episode sounds like a lot, but
it's actually down about 3% from

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the previous week.
And maybe that's due to the

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United States and the holiday
this past Monday and that

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usually spills into the pre
previous week, the last few days

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of the week people tend to take
off.

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So maybe that's why, yes.
So what do you got for us as far

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as our your top five lists?
OK, so top five for Spotify #5

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Something scary #4 this past
weekend with Theo bond #3 Rotten

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Mango Video video.
OK #2 Andrew Schultz Blaggard

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with a quiche thing and number
10 right on Joe Rogan

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Experience.
Yes, yes.

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And then you have another chart
the for the arts.

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Is that right?
So yeah, the random chart of the

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week is the arts and #5 is the
Magnus archives #4 is How do you

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pronounce this I?
I would say spicy spicy.

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Spicy, OK, spicy #3 totally on
board with the moth #2 NP Rs

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Fresh air #1 is Nick di
Giovanni.

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Nick di Giovanni, That's his
name.

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And I just wanted to keep
saying.

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The name of his show, I guess.
Your hand up and you touch your

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thumb with your fingers.
Giovanni That's right.

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But I really think that the more
important feature about the arts

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is the #9 #9 is kind of
interesting because it is Bob

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Ross.
His painting show now.

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Yeah #9 is Bob Ross.
And it or I'm sorry #8 it just

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moved from the time that I first
found this.

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Story.
This morning to now, it's now #8

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So Bob Ross, the joy of
painting.

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And this kind of reminds me of,
you know, when videos first

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started doing getting into
podcasting, and now they're just

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taking episodes of shows and
calling it a podcast.

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I feel like my mother when she
says, see, This is why we can't

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have nice things.
You know, they're just taking

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television episodes and they're
calling it a podcast.

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Yep, Yep.
And that's been going on for a

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little bit now, even news
programs especially, but I just

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can't understand.
I guess it's got to be video

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podcast, because otherwise
you're just hearing the soothing

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sounds of Bob Ross.
Well, it is kind of ASMR. Ish.

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Let's face it, I mean, he has a
very kind of lilt kind of sing

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song, a kind of lilt to his
voice.

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And it is very soothing, that's
for sure.

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Because now this was #9 when I
looked at this morning, it went

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up to #8 and the number 9 is all
ASMR. So it is kind of

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interesting.
Ashley's got something.

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Let's hear from Ashley.
Go ahead, Ashley.

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I just wanted to share something
that was kind of peculiar.

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I have insomnia, I have trouble
sleeping and I've been listening

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to Bob Ross almost all of my
life to go to sleep and I

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listened to a lot of.
Sleep.

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Podcasts and the other night in
the Spotify discovery thing.

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Bob Ross popped up and I was
delighted to see that you could.

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Turn on just the audio and
that's what I did.

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I went right to sleep there.
You go then.

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Did you also hear?
Because I remember his shows.

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You could also kind of hear the
brush on the canvas with the

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paint when you do like the
little sweepy motions on the

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canvas.
Can you hear that as well?

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Yeah, that's also very
satisfying.

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Yeah, that's exactly it.
You could.

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Hear all the calm things, he
says.

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You could hear him smacking the
paintbrush around the scraping,

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all of it.
All right, there you go.

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Now, now we know why it's #8
yeah, in the arts.

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Awesome.
And then you have YouTube as

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well, right?
Right, so the YouTube #5 is lawn

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crime sidebar with Jesse Webber,
who I truly think this is

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another television show. 4 is
Kill Tony. 3 is 48 hours.

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Another TV show.
OK, yeah #2 is Joe Rogan

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Experience and #1 is Rotten
Mango.

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And just as a side note #35 on
YouTube is NBC News with who's

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the anchor?
Lester Holt.

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The anchor was Lester Holt.
It number #35 is.

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So they're just taking shows.
They're just taking television

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shows and put them on there.
Yeah, I think that's one of the

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problems.
With.

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Yeah, that's one of the problems
with video podcasting becoming

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so popular is that all these big
mainstream shows are able to

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just take their own content and
just repurpose it and say, hey,

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it's a podcast, and that's a
little annoying.

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Let's check in with Sid and then
Nick.

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Go ahead, Sid.
Good morning.

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Good morning, everybody.
So I don't disagree with the TV

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show just repurposing content
and making it a podcast.

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And it's not really a podcast,
but when you think about

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listener behavior and
consumption opportunities, it

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sounds like to me what these
people especially like NBC News

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48 hours, what they're doing is
giving you options of how and

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when you want to consume the
content.

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And you can consume the news,
obviously without the visuals.

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You could consume other things
without the visuals if you're

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listening.
So I mean, it actually sounds

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like a really great opportunity
to repurpose content to give the

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listener the opportunity to
consume it how and when they

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want to.
But I think it should be listed

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as something else other than a
podcast.

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Yeah.
I mean, for example, they could

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put it on their own apps.
Most of these networks have

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their own apps, if not their own
streaming services, and they

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could put them there.
I get it.

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It creates, it does create more
options.

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And I'm sure there are consumers
out there that appreciate if

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they're already in their podcast
app, they can go to their

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favorite TV show and watch it
via podcast apps.

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I just, I wish there was a
better distinction there just

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because it muddies the waters.
It doesn't really clear clearly

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define podcasting.
It makes it kind of confusing.

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Let's go to Nick and then we'll
go to Amanda.

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Go ahead, Nick.
I feel like this was a thing

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before they started calling them
all podcast because I remember

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like years ago when SiriusXM was
coming out, they have like

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dedicated channels for things
like Forensic Files and it's the

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exact same thing.
They just repurpose their video

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feed on to SiriusXM channels.
And now since podcasting has hit

449
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,320
a little bit more mainstream,
I'll say they're just putting it

450
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,960
on the podcasting platforms now
because it's more accessible.

451
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,360
It's not everyone uses SiriusXM
now.

452
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:53,120
Anybody can access these shows
just by going to Spotify or

453
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,880
Apple Podcasts.
It's.

454
00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,480
Been around before podcast?
Quote UN quote, especially on

455
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,000
YouTube, right?
Like that's where a lot of those

456
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,720
TV shows, even before YouTube
adopted podcasting, you still

457
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,880
saw those TV shows going up on
YouTube and nobody, I get it,

458
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,720
nobody had a real issue with it
and saying, well, it's not a

459
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,960
YouTube video, but I mean,
YouTube is Internet TV in my

460
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,440
opinion.
It's just that independent

461
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,200
creators can add their content
to it, too.

462
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,000
Alex, I'll come to you in a
second.

463
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,400
Let's check in with Amanda
first.

464
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,400
Go ahead, Amanda.
I think this is similar to the

465
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,040
conversation we were having, I
think when you were gone, Mark,

466
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,600
about how was it the which award
show is going to add a podcast

467
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,920
Slain.
And Oh yeah, it was a matter of.

468
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,400
And I just was like, well, like
when we do that, it really

469
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,920
doesn't I think matter to the
independent podcaster because

470
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,120
these are the type of shows that
are going to hold those spots in

471
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:52,040
my opinion.
Because the definition of what a

472
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,480
podcast now has just become so
wide, which it is what it is.

473
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,720
Things pivot, things change.
But yeah, the more these things

474
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,480
get added, the more, you know,
watered down our little shows

475
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,360
get.
And I think that's just the the

476
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,200
evolution of podcast.
I think it's exciting, even if

477
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,600
it's a little maybe discouraging
sometimes.

478
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,560
Yeah, OK.
That's fair.

479
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,000
Alex, did you want to chime in?
Good morning.

480
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,480
I think it's funny because the
technology has gotten so much

481
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,040
better and it's a blessing and a
curse.

482
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,760
There is so many people putting
content out on YouTube that

483
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,680
didn't realize their podcasters.
And I think that whole

484
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,560
definition of podcaster or
content creator, whatever you

485
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,320
want to call yourself now is so
kind of ambiguous.

486
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,280
I know that's not what you want
to hear in this room, but you

487
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,680
know, when you go into the the
streets of YouTube or the halls

488
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,200
of Twitter or whatever else you
want to call it, there are

489
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,120
people out there that are doing
all sorts of amazing.

490
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,200
I mean, the Knicks game, for
instance, and I know this isn't

491
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,640
really related, but it is.
There are people that are doing

492
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,320
play by play Knicks games or
playoff games, doing all sorts

493
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,120
of stuff.
Do they consider themselves a

494
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,040
podcaster?
Do they consider themselves a TV

495
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,560
show?
I don't know what they consider

496
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,560
themselves, but it there is just
so much interesting content out

497
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,520
there that this group doesn't
even, it's not even in our like

498
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,240
realm.
It's really amazing where it's

499
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,960
kind of gone and I never really
realized it until I started, you

500
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,440
know, just branching out on
different types of things.

501
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,760
But like every single sporting
event, there is some guy or girl

502
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,520
that's doing either a play by
play or a watch party or after

503
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,840
that game, they're doing
supplemental content that's like

504
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,160
maybe 10, 1520 minutes after
that every single day.

505
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,600
And that's just one genre.
We're usually talking about the

506
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,360
business, the mainstream type
things.

507
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,560
But there are some, I mean, even
looking at what Amanda and Chris

508
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,160
do, I mean, not that it's, you
know, not mainstream, but it's

509
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,560
it's a niche just like what I
do, just like what what Sid does

510
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,560
and eventually Dr. will do
whenever she releases a podcast

511
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,600
episode for the rest of us
people that actually have put

512
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,360
out episodes, it's really
amazingly interesting in an area

513
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,560
that I think we should actually
look at down the road.

514
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,160
I don't know how you kind of
want to, I mean, I don't know

515
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,360
how the conversation is going to
go, but there are people that

516
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,760
are doing stuff in sports that I
never would imagine.

517
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,880
And I know what James has done.
I know I keep bringing this up.

518
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,320
It's just that it's the playoffs
and that's what I'm kind of

519
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,520
focused in on.
It's just an interesting topic,

520
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,000
that's for sure.
Yeah, that's a Knicks fan who's

521
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,960
very excited about sports right
now.

522
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,360
Yes, I get it out.
It's.

523
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,960
More like black and blue skies
right now, orange and no, But I

524
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,720
I just think it's really
fascinating because to try to

525
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,640
get the even something as simple
as trying to get on the radio.

526
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,840
I can't find it on the radio,
but I can go to YouTube then and

527
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,080
then find some, you know,
knucklehead doing play by play

528
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,040
and it's just pretty amazing.
I understand what you're saying

529
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,520
to your about how dare they not
how dare they, but you know,

530
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,800
they're they're calling it a
podcast and it isn't.

531
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,600
But I mean, what is the
difference from actually

532
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,480
listening to Bob Ross at night,
falling asleep, then listening

533
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:19,120
to a YouTube thing, a YouTube
channel, so to speak, and you're

534
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,720
falling asleep to YouTube versus
the TV.

535
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,040
There's nothing.
And I think that that's the,

536
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,840
it's just a, it's just a
different medium.

537
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,160
You're using your computer
versus your, your TV.

538
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,760
So, I mean, it's food for
thought.

539
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,440
Yeah, thank you, Alex.
And it is true, it is pretty

540
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,080
interesting how it seems easier
these days to find content made

541
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,920
by creators versus finding that
same kind of content from the

542
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,560
the big networks.
I get it.

543
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,080
It is a little weird to DRS
Defense, she puts out a podcast

544
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,240
every day because for the most
part she helps me every single

545
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,240
day with this show.
So I will say she does.

546
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,000
No, don't defend her.
You are.

547
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,240
You know that is so not even
fair.

548
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,760
Well, it is fair because she
does participate.

549
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,800
She does.
She is a big part of helping me

550
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,000
get this thing in ready in the
morning.

551
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,240
I'm with you 1000%.
We all know where this is coming

552
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,400
from.
It's coming from a place of

553
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,480
love.
I think it was supposed to be

554
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,000
January 27th that she was
supposed to release that that

555
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,200
that first podcast.
So I'm just saying, just

556
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,600
throwing it out there because I
know Amanda and I were talking

557
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,320
about that, you know, when she
had made that proclamation.

558
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,120
So I just.
Wait a minute, how did I get

559
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,520
brought into this conversation?
He's.

560
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,040
There.
Wait one second.

561
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,600
It was the one day that you were
there, and it was before

562
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,040
chickens and I.
Just doesn't care.

563
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,680
If he's going to bring anyone
into it, where's Santa Claus?

564
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,080
He'll bring that into it, too.
Yeah, well, Christmas is coming,

565
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,880
I think, you know.
But anyway.

566
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,520
OK, Thank you, Alex.
And what I would love to do

567
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,640
because I know Nick's got a jet
soon.

568
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,120
I'm going to jump to some AI
news, see if see what he's got.

569
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,760
And actually I got a couple
little tidbits as well.

570
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,400
Nick, what do you got for us as
far as AI is concerned?

571
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:14,040
All right, so the first up, any
clawed users out there that are

572
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,400
on the clawed subscriptions,
they just released Opus 4 and

573
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,960
Sonnet 4, which I guess I mean I
feel like a a broken record when

574
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,720
they released the models is a
significant leap in the AI

575
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,640
technology.
They're claiming both Opus and

576
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:39,000
Sonnet 4 are significantly
better with coding skills,

577
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:44,520
coding reasoning, and they're
even introducing.

578
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,200
They're the first ones.
I know we haven't talked about

579
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:52,280
it a lot, but MCP protocol
agents, they basically built a

580
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:58,360
platform that allows you to
create these agents connected to

581
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,480
different AI platforms like
Claude, Gemini.

582
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,560
I think ChatGPT might be able to
get roped into their but they

583
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,720
they built this whole platform
basically for these agents to to

584
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,080
be built on.
Have played with it a little

585
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,080
bit, but it it's kind of over my
head at the moment.

586
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:20,000
But so that's that's the first
one Opus and Sonnet 4 the next

587
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,280
one.
I know last week we had talked

588
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,000
about question.
About this first though.

589
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,000
Yeah, Yeah.
Go ahead.

590
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,280
Do they they're both under
clawed?

591
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,960
What is 1 better for than the
other?

592
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,400
I mean is better for copywriting
and the other one better for

593
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,040
coding?
Or why is there 2 under the same

594
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,040
clawed umber?
Yeah.

595
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,960
So it's it's very similar to how
ChatGPT and Gemini have been

596
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,040
developing their models.
So you'll have Chat GPTO 3 or I

597
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,160
think maybe it's like O3 high
and O3 Mini one models, a little

598
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,080
bit more intense, use more
resources, does a more thorough

599
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,200
job.
And then the other model is a

600
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,800
little bit more lightweight,
faster, more for I would say

601
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,000
your high demanding tasks versus
your lower demanding tasks is

602
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,360
how I'd word it.
If you want YouTube titles and

603
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,000
podcasts, episode descriptions,
you're probably going to go for

604
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,920
the lower one just because it
doesn't require as much thinking

605
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,360
involved.
Whereas if you want to a more

606
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,360
well thought out research on
something, or you're doing

607
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,760
coding tasks that require it to
actually use a lot more logic

608
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,560
and reasoning, that's probably
best how I would describe that.

609
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,639
I see.
Thank you.

610
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,840
I appreciate.
It last week we were talking

611
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:42,880
about Google, their new VO3
model, which generates video

612
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,239
with sound, music, dialogue, the
whole 9 yards.

613
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,480
And with that, I think we
briefly touched on it, but we

614
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,719
didn't really dig into it and
it's partially because I didn't

615
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,760
fully understand it.
But with the release of that

616
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,960
model, they also released a tool
called Flow.

617
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,800
And I believe if you're a Gemini
advanced subscriber, I know if

618
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,680
you are an advanced subscriber,
you can access this tool.

619
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,560
I'm not sure if you're, you're
just on one of the free

620
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,080
accounts, if you can access it
or not.

621
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:19,040
But low is essentially this
platform for developing your

622
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,960
video content.
It's like a, almost like a video

623
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,560
creation studio, if you will.
And I, I had the opportunity to

624
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,760
play with that a little bit.
I really want to dig deeper into

625
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,440
it because it it looks crazy.
It looks mind blowing on that

626
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,760
Gemini Advance.
I only get access to VO2.

627
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,720
I don't get that fancy VO3
model.

628
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,280
But what this tool does is it
allows you to basically become

629
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,120
the director of a video.
And I guess I'll try to paint a

630
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,040
picture as best I can.
So you start with either a text

631
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,160
prompt or maybe you have an
image that you want to be part

632
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,040
of a scene.
Maybe you generate a character

633
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,280
with ChatGPT, You create the
image, you pull that image in

634
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,960
there and you can give it a
prompt like how do you want to

635
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,320
animate this image?
What do you want it to do?

636
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,000
It generates that video and then
you kind of work your way down

637
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,040
the timeline.
So the video say you have a 5

638
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,520
seconds.
Frame by frame, right?

639
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,400
Yeah.
So you have your, your new clip,

640
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,080
your new video, and you can
extract a specific frame from

641
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,280
that video and feed it into the
next prompt.

642
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,480
And you're basically developing
the entire timeline for your

643
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,120
movie or your short video as you
go.

644
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,560
You can upload an image,
generate a prompt, and it adds

645
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,640
that piece of the video to the
timeline.

646
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,440
Or you can take a specific frame
from a previous video that you

647
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,080
generated and add that to the
next one where it makes

648
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,560
everything a lot more seamless
and it allows you to maintain

649
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,840
character consistency throughout
your entire video.

650
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,760
It's not like you're
regenerating the video from

651
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,120
scratch every single time.
Yeah, no, it's, it's a great

652
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,480
tool, I think for creators.
I think that there's a lot of

653
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,240
freedom that it provides.
You know, even if you're making,

654
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:08,080
say a short form video or a long
form video for your podcast, if

655
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:13,440
you want to add layers to it, B
roll, that's very specific.

656
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,720
Well, now you don't have to go
out and purchase it.

657
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:20,120
If you've got a picture that you
want to use that maybe it's even

658
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:26,400
a picture you took, you can feed
it into this tool, the VO3 or

659
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,840
actually flow, sorry, and then
it will animate it for you.

660
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,400
It will bring it to life for
you, and you can use that as B

661
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,240
roll.
You can use that as a scene and

662
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,960
actually have it talk and do all
the things.

663
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,480
But I can see this being a
really valuable tool for content

664
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,600
creators and podcasters.
Yeah, I know Alex just left.

665
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,960
I know that was something that
he was really struggling with,

666
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,320
was finding a tool because he
wanted to have animation

667
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,800
incorporated with their podcast
for the daddy daughter Bookworm.

668
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,080
And this might be that solution.
You can generate that character

669
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,160
and then actually animate and
keep that character throughout

670
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,640
your entire video instead of
feeling like you're starting

671
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,720
from scratch every single time.
I'm excited to really dig into

672
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,680
it and play with it and really
flush out how it all works.

673
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,720
And I was telling Mark, I kind
of want to come up with like a

674
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,960
an idea for a little short film
and see if I can put together

675
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,760
like a 5 minute little movie
kind of thing with it and just

676
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,400
see how it go comes out.
I think this this is going to be

677
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,400
the future of video editing and
yeah, content creation.

678
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,000
I really think that.
Raphael wants to know what's the

679
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,160
cost?
Do you know Nick?

680
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,360
I'm not sure if it's available
on the free Gemini model.

681
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,560
Like if you just access Gemini
free I don't think you can

682
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,440
access it.
So I'm currently on the $20.00 a

683
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,760
month.
It's called Gemini Pro now, So

684
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,000
if you have that, I know for
sure you can just type in Google

685
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Flow and it'll bring you to, I
think it's Google Labs.

686
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,800
They have all kinds of different
AI tools that you can get in

687
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,520
there and play with.
If you want access to the more

688
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,160
advanced, the VO3 that's got the
sound effects, music, all that

689
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,440
that come into your video
automatically.

690
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,280
That is the Gemini Ultra model,
which we talked about last week,

691
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,600
$250 a month for that model.
Yeah, and right now I think you

692
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,480
can get it for 125 per month for
the first three months.

693
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,400
So there's a little bit of a
deal going on there.

694
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,080
But yeah, you can still access
VO2, which to be honest, VO2,

695
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,680
I've been crazy impressed with
the video output.

696
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,480
It, it blows Sora out of the
water.

697
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,840
Like I, I won't even look at
Sora anymore now that I've seen

698
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,440
VO2.
And hopefully VO3 will get

699
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,480
cheaper and become more possible
for everybody.

700
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,240
And Nick, is it, this is a great
question from Ashley.

701
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:52,440
Is it does if you're paying for
it, do you know is it giving you

702
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,600
longer than 8 second videos like
some you know these previous

703
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,800
models were doing?
I'm just reading the comment

704
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,720
here longer than 8 seconds with
sound, so I haven't actually

705
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,480
played with the Gemini Ultra,
their VO3 model, so I'm not

706
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,960
positive what the output
duration is.

707
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,240
I would say the advantage.
Oh, that's actually a really

708
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:13,800
good question.
So if you have multiple videos,

709
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,640
what does that do to your sound?
But the advantage with flow,

710
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,760
yeah, the advantage with flow is
that you can continue like

711
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,160
iterating on the video.
So you might start with a 5

712
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,360
second video and then you bring
in a frame from that video to

713
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,640
the next video you generate.
And now you have a 10 second

714
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,240
video and you're like
continually building clip by

715
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,560
clip or scene by scene of how
this total video is ultimately

716
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,800
going to end up.
Got it.

717
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,160
OK, cool.
And yeah, Raphael is balking at

718
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,920
the $250 a month price.
And I get it.

719
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,360
And, and I definitely balked at
it too.

720
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,800
And I, when I think about it,
it's still cheaper than me

721
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,680
hiring an editor to do all sorts
of a video editor specifically

722
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,320
to do all sorts of stuff for me.
So in that regard, if it really

723
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,920
works as well as it seems to and
it was relatively easy to use,

724
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,480
it's still saving me time.
It could be worth the 250 a

725
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,000
month.
I mean, and again, that depends

726
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,880
on everybody and your personal
situation and financial

727
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,880
situations.
But again, if if you're saying

728
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:25,000
to yourself, you know, I can't
afford a, a video editor at $50

729
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,160
a $100.00 an hour, but I could
spend $250 a month and save

730
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,320
myself a boatload of time.
That might be just a perspective

731
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,120
shift, if you will.
Some people that might work out

732
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,880
well.
Janae, I want to check in with

733
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,400
you.
Welcome to the stage.

734
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,080
Did you want to add anything to
this piece of the conversation?

735
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,880
And then I want to get into some
other headlines.

736
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,320
Yeah, I love this conversation.
This is what I've been playing

737
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,200
with.
I mean, I'm just getting started

738
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,240
with, but I've been playing with
Cling AI and VO2 sounds pretty

739
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:57,160
cool.
I have a product that I'm

740
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,880
working on using VO2 which is 10
credits for a second video,

741
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,760
whereas if I were to use VO3 in
my the pro package, I think it's

742
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,440
100 credits per VO3 video.
The Ultra, it lets you do a

743
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,800
whole recipe or ingredients,
which means that you can add

744
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,920
music, you can add video and you
can, you know, add sound effects

745
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,760
and it'll put all of that stuff
together.

746
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,320
Whereas VO3 and VO2 or the Pearl
count, you just, it just creates

747
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,000
a video and then you got to
figure out how you're going to

748
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,600
apply sound on top of it.
Thank you, Janae.

749
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,280
Appreciate that.
OK.

750
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,560
I want to keep things moving.
Thank you Nick for some of that

751
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,080
AI info.
And I know that Nick's got found

752
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,520
a a creator AI for creators
report survey and not even a

753
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:51,440
survey, a report that really
that can be really eye opening.

754
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,800
We just found it before the show
started today.

755
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,680
So we're going to look into it
and maybe make an entire show of

756
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,360
it.
So to be continued on that, let

757
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,560
me give you some events that are
happening around the world for

758
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,080
content creators.
Vidcon in Anaheim that's coming

759
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:12,160
June 19th through the 21st, one
of the largest gatherings for

760
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,840
digital creators and featuring
panels, workshops and networking

761
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,840
opportunities.
There is a social their social

762
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,320
media strategy Summit that's a
virtual summit going on June

763
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,560
18th through the 19th.
It's social media, marketing and

764
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,840
influencer strategies and
creator economy.

765
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,800
Live E happens in August, August
5th through the 6th in New York

766
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,880
City.
It's a place to engage with

767
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,600
industry leaders and explore
strategies to boost brand ROI

768
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,480
and of course, podcast movement
that's coming to Dallas in

769
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,560
August.
Yes, we we've talked about that

770
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,240
once before recently.
August in Dallas is an

771
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,240
interesting decision, but none
the less it will be there and

772
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,880
it's the largest podcasting
conference globally.

773
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,880
Well, though with the podcast
show, that might be changing

774
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,760
with over 150 sessions across
tracks for independent creators,

775
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,640
professionals and tech
innovators.

776
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,200
They also have that huge Expo
hall and major networking events

777
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,480
like their I Heart Media Party.
And we will skip to September

778
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,880
and remind you that Empowered
Podcasting is coming September

779
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,840
26th through the 28th, that's at
the Hyatt Centric in Charlotte,

780
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:31,000
South Park, North Carolina.
And that is for the independent

781
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,280
podcasters for connection,
growth and collaboration.

782
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,920
We need speakers still.
We have extended the deadline.

783
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,720
We want to expand the speaker
pool.

784
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,360
So if that is something of
interest to you, we would love

785
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,960
to have you apply.
Just go to

786
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,720
empoweredpodcasting.com/speakers
and and apply.

787
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:55,280
This can be anything.
You might have a specific area

788
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,920
of expertise you want to share
with others.

789
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,640
You might have your own lessons
learned as a content creator

790
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,400
that you think would be helpful
to share with other content

791
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,280
creators.
We're, we're hosting speakers,

792
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,200
we're hosting workshops,
whatever works best for you to

793
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,960
present your information.
We're pretty flexible on that.

794
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:18,960
And again, go to
empoweredpodcasting.com/speakers

795
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,640
to apply.
And if you haven't gotten your

796
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,280
tickets, go for it.
We're we're working on Pat

797
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,920
Flynn.
We're still going to work on Pat

798
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,440
Flynn to be one of our main
speakers.

799
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,400
And there are other speakers in
the works as well that are names

800
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,840
that you may know and there are
some names that you may not

801
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,040
know.
But all of this will be really

802
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,360
valuable info.
If you were there last year, you

803
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,840
know exactly what I'm talking
about.

804
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,080
And Dr. Do you want to share
some podcasting?

805
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,920
Actually, let's skip the
podcasting jobs for a moment

806
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,160
because I want to get to some
headlines here.

807
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,240
Dr. You want to take the first
of the news bites that we've.

808
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,120
Sure, sure.
So Apple rolled out a brand new

809
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,200
section on their creator site
packed with resources for

810
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,480
podcasters.
We're talking about templates

811
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,400
and how to guides and marketing
materials.

812
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,760
And here's the part that I think
a lot of creators will really

813
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,280
love.
They've teamed up with Canva.

814
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,320
So now, whether you're a
designer, pro or you've never

815
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,160
touched a graphic in your life,
you can create a full page, show

816
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,160
art, promo materials with social
media posts without wanting to

817
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,080
pull out your hair.
It's simple, it's clean, it's

818
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,760
mostly importantly, it actually
helps you show up better.

819
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:46,360
And we have a link that we will
share in the notes for you.

820
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,680
And that's kind of cool.
Yeah, very cool.

821
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,360
And Sid, you had a question.
Go ahead.

822
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,320
More of a comment.
So if you're an active Canva

823
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,000
user, just remember that in
June, Canvas pricing changes.

824
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,880
If you have a team, you might
want to reconsider a team.

825
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,480
I believe their team goes up to
$400.00 beginning in June and

826
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,760
then it's like $100 per
additional person.

827
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,240
And they're really, really
encouraging you when you share

828
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:14,840
something to add somebody to
your team, you get a little pop

829
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,760
up box.
So just be mindful.

830
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,360
If you have people on a team,
you might want to disassemble

831
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,760
the team before you get hit with
an unexpected $400.00 a month

832
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,000
charge.
Yeah, that's, that's a good tip.

833
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,800
And I was going to ask you
what's the difference between

834
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,320
what if you're a team of two,
but you know, I'm still counts.

835
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,760
How do you?
Define a team.

836
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,400
Doesn't matter, it's team is U +
1.

837
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,600
So it's just semantics basically
if I'm sharing it with my

838
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,240
social.
Sharing, I think is different.

839
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,280
Sharing is.
Different.

840
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,040
Yeah, You have a little when you
go into Canva, there's a little

841
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,360
something that'll say DRS team
and you would need to remove

842
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,080
anybody that you added to your
team because what that does is

843
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,200
take you to a separate canvas
site.

844
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,400
Where?
Just your team sees the things

845
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,440
that you've put there and they
announced it a couple of months

846
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,640
ago and but it the team goes up
to 400 bucks and then after you

847
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,680
get so many people, then you'd
like pay another $100 per person

848
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,560
kind of thing.
And when you share like DR5 were

849
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,040
to create something and share
with you is going to give me a

850
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,560
check box to add you to my team.
And if I choose not to do that

851
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,680
after I share with you, then I'm
going to get a pop up box that

852
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,160
says add Dr. to your team.
So they're like really pushing

853
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,640
this team creation with the
anticipation of this really.

854
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,560
Big.
Annual fee coming.

855
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,800
Yeah, correct.
Yeah.

856
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,960
Correct, I need to go in and
check what I've clicked.

857
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,600
On All right and in other news,
the podcast show in London

858
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:49,000
brought together more than 6000
people over 2 full days of

859
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,240
conference sessions and bustling
exhibition floor.

860
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,200
Let's see they add in the
various live events happening

861
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,560
through the week and the total
number of participants crossed

862
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:04,240
10,000 people.
If we add in those live events

863
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,920
Wednesday, last Wednesday saw an
especially high turn out.

864
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,080
Jason Carter, the event's
founder, made it clear that the

865
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,960
focus of the show isn't on
chasing bigger numbers.

866
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,400
The mission is to keep refining
the experience and creating

867
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,800
deeper engagement.
And that kind of intention, in

868
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,760
my opinion, matters a lot.
It's exactly how we've designed

869
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,320
the empowered podcasting
conference.

870
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,440
I'll, I'll be at smaller that
that is the intention behind our

871
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,560
conference focused on creating a
space for meaningful

872
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,640
connections, real conversations
and ideas that actually move

873
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,960
people forward.
So I think that that's really

874
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,920
cool to hear them say and from
the what the feedback I'm seeing

875
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,480
online and from some colleagues,
it was an amazing event and they

876
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,880
really did feel that meaningful
connection.

877
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,400
And, and I saw people saying
they had a lot of real

878
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,800
conversations.
So it sounds like that the

879
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,520
podcast show is certainly living
up to that expectation.

880
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,560
Kudos to them.
And you know, I'm curious

881
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,200
though, can, does anyone think
could, could that last if, if

882
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,560
this thing continues to grow and
they have upwards of 10,000

883
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:22,360
people, can you really have a
conference that develops

884
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,320
meaningful connections and real
conversations?

885
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,120
And I asked that because I had a
lot of people come to me after

886
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,520
and during the Empowered
Podcasting conference, saying

887
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,240
that what they really liked
about it was that it was

888
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,800
smaller.
There were last year around 100

889
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,000
or so people there.
And a lot of those people

890
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,240
appreciate it because they were,
they felt they could make more

891
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,440
meaningful connections.
They had those deeper

892
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,160
conversations and I feel like
that could be a challenge.

893
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,200
It's it's the challenge that I'm
faced with.

894
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,440
If we're going to do this for
years to come, do we keep

895
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,920
growing it as far as attendees
or does it need to cap out at

896
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,880
some point because too many will
lose that that feel.

897
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,840
Certainly podcast show is so far
proven that they can make make

898
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,800
that happen.
But I I question whether or not

899
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,120
it can it's sustainable at such
a large number.

900
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,280
Yeah, Dr., go ahead.
I think you should cap it.

901
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,600
I think you should cap it.
And then it there's also that

902
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,640
sense of urgency like, oh, I got
to get in because I know they

903
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,480
they cap it.
And also you maintain that

904
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,640
intimate thing.
And I know Jason Carter has, I

905
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,560
know he says he wants to keep
the intimacy, but when you're

906
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,760
talking about, you know, 6000
people, I just don't think

907
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,600
that's possible.
Yeah, that's kind of how I feel

908
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,280
as well.
And Janae, what do you got to

909
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,720
say about that?
I totally agree with Dr. as well

910
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:57,040
and Craft and Commerce, they
have their attendees like after

911
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,880
we've sold this from our tickets
or you know, they're not going

912
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,320
to tell so take anymore, they're
going to be settling out and go

913
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,960
to their site.
It says, hey, the event is now

914
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,000
sold out, come back next year.
And that's a good way because

915
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,280
again, you keep that intimacy,
keep the connections because

916
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:22,200
just this past weekend there's a
local event in Baltimore, it's

917
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,360
IGNA, Islamic Circle of North
America.

918
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:31,560
And they put these events 2 * a
year, the Muslim event that's

919
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,960
40,000 people.
So you have to be able to

920
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,880
support where the folks for the
public, you know, people are

921
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,400
going to stay.
What are you going to do?

922
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,880
Event halls were both all the
speaker halls were, you know,

923
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,640
full.
So they have a huge bizarre

924
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,840
section where there was
hundreds, like I think there was

925
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,800
1100 different aisles or maybe
no, I'm just thinking, but

926
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,920
there's like hundreds of vendors
there selling all sorts of

927
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,080
things.
So it all comes out to, OK,

928
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,400
what's the purpose?
What do we want the people to

929
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:10,520
take out of here and, you know,
making that event meaningful as

930
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,400
well?
Yeah.

931
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,560
Thank you, Janae.
I think that's a good example

932
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:17,200
of, you know, the challenge and
Mike put it in the chat.

933
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:22,880
Yeah, maybe what we do is we do
cap empowered podcasting at a

934
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,640
certain number and when we do,
then that's where we extend it.

935
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,480
And we do empowered podcasting
east, West, maybe north-south.

936
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,800
And we do more events that are
smaller, more intimate.

937
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,920
That kind of idea I can get on
board with for sure.

938
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,680
Dr. Did you want to say
something else?

939
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,840
I'm just going to repeat what
was just said that now that

940
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:47,000
we've solved your cap or no cap,
now the problem is what number

941
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,720
do you cap it at?
Yeah, yeah.

942
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,640
Oh, and Roth says in the chat
Empowered Podcasting Europe.

943
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,800
Yeah, after being in Madrid in
Portugal, I would love to do one

944
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,680
over there.
Roth for sure.

945
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,000
And Dr. again, I'm sorry, your
question.

946
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,280
Oh, what's what is that number,
the magic number?

947
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,960
I don't know.
The number that sticks out in my

948
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,040
head is 500.
I feel like that's just enough,

949
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,520
you know, it's, it feels like
it, it will feel like a big

950
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,920
event, but at the same time, I
believe that kind of number

951
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,600
still intimate enough to get
people to really connect and

952
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,520
have those deep, meaningful
conversations.

953
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,960
That's about half the size of
what I see at a pod fest.

954
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,440
So for those of you attending
there, there's a visual for you.

955
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,320
We'll see.
We got to get to Empowered

956
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,920
Podcasting 2 first, and we need
attendees there in order to have

957
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,200
these kinds of conversations.
So please, if you haven't

958
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,200
already, go to
empoweredpodcasting.com and sign

959
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,600
up.
And I'll just say for podcasting

960
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,800
morning chat listeners, if you
want 50 bucks off, we are not

961
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,120
publicizing that anywhere else
except for last year's

962
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,600
attendees.
If you want 50 bucks off, reach

963
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,440
out, let me know.
We can make that happen per

964
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,320
ticket.
All right, so with that, look,

965
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,080
we are just about at the 8:00
hour.

966
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,800
So what we're going to do, I
will tell you tomorrow, we're

967
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,680
going to get into a few
different stories.

968
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,360
For example, we are going to
talk about a story that's been

969
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,680
going on for a couple of years
now that pops up every so often,

970
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,480
SiriusXM and their battle with
the National Association of the

971
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,280
Deaf.
This has to do with

972
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,000
transcriptions or lack thereof.
So we'll talk a little bit about

973
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,240
that.
We're also going to get into

974
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:30,320
open video podcasting.
In other words, there's

975
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:35,000
something in the works that the
standard RSS feed will start

976
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:40,400
allowing video as well as audio
that would change the game

977
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,000
considerably.
We'll talk about more as to how

978
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:48,200
and why, and we'll get more into
some of the podcast show 2025.

979
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:53,920
They had a an article come out
recently after the event talking

980
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:59,520
about the 20 trends redefining
the audio podcasting landscape.

981
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:05,800
So stay tuned for that and more
on Apple and other platforms

982
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,120
making waves in the industry.
So join us tomorrow at 7:00 AM

983
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,200
Eastern right here at the
Podcasting morning chat.

984
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,880
You can find us on clubhouse.
You can find us on YouTube live.

985
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,240
We put all of those links for
you in the show notes, including

986
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:21,800
the stuff we talked about today.
We'll put that in the show notes

987
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,000
as well.
So until tomorrow, make it a

988
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,040
great day everybody take care.