495. The 3 Things Every Growing Podcast Needs

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Good morning podcasters.
Today is Tuesday, April 14th,

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2026, and today we're tackling
clarity, consistency, and

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compelling content.
What they really mean, which one

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matters most, and how to spot
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back from actual growth.
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Good morning again podcasting
morning Chat.

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Thank you so much for being
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I am your host Mark Ronick and
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have Ralphie Steps, Sid Meadows,
DRFA, Nick Naal back, Matthew

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Bliss, BC Babbles, and also Tide
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about?
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Thank you and good morning
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Thank you, Ralph.
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OK, before we get into the heart
of today's conversation, I had

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to pause because I wanted to
play a new Jingle for everybody

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courtesy of Ralph.
And I know that the majority of

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you my Co hosts here, you've
probably heard it if you've been

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a part of our little private DM
group chat, but worth playing

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for our audience as well.
Now, if you're you've been

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listening for any period of
time, especially over let's say

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the last month or two, Dr. has
every so often mentioned that

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she stumbles on her words and
then she'll say I hate words in

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the morning.
And Ralph got inspired.

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So Ralph made a little Jingle
for Dr. Maybe, maybe really this

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can be for anybody who blames
trying to find their words in

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the morning.
We can play this.

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Coffee's hot brain is not mouth,
says glorning.

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Guess I forgot words are hard in
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So hard.
Tongue still dreaming, thoughts

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just snoring.
I mean well, but I'm still

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yawning.
Words are hard in the morning.

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Did I say that out loud?
I like that, especially because

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we all have those moments where
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I know I do.
And it's nice to have a little

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button to kind of have a little
fun with that at the same time

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now.
Yeah.

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Dr. you're happy with that?
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So happy, I love that thank.
You.

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Yeah, Ralph, now I'm guessing
and I think actually you shared

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this with us.
You made this in SUNO, the AI

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app.
Yes, correct, Mark.

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Yeah.
I put out music every week,

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actually.
I write the Christian worship

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music and I've been working with
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3 or 4 months.
We've got 30 songs out that are

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on iTunes and Spotify and all
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So yeah, the other morning I was
out walking on the farm and I

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was thinking about Dr. how
sometimes she struggles at words

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in the morning.
So I opened up the SUNO app and

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I said I want a bubbly kind of
woman feel of somebody that just

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is struggling with the words
first thing in the morning.

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And I had to be honest, that was
about the 7th time I put the

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prompt in.
But when I finally got it, it

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was about 30 seconds.
And I said, yeah, I like that,

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but we got to narrow it down
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So I said make it about 20
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This one was 17.
And as soon as I got done it, I

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had to send it to Dr. and I
said, you got to to hear this.

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I I I just think it's perfect
because it just encapsulate all

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of us struggle sometimes with
things.

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And I just I love Dr. and I
thought this would be a cool way

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to just give back to DRA little
bit into the show.

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Oh.
Thank you so much.

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It really, it hit home and it's
all those words are so very,

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very true.
Thank you so much.

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Yeah.
Thank you, Ralph, for doing

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that.
Yeah, it takes usually a few

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prompts.
I would say it's probably,

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although I'm keeping it.
I would say it's slightly long

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for my taste from when it comes
to a Jingle.

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It'd be cool to have something
that goes that's just relatively

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shortened to the point.
But I really enjoy that one.

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So we're going to keep it.
Thank you for that one, Ralph.

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So I follow someone on Facebook.
Seth Drums.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know exactly who this is.

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Yeah.
And he just came out with a new

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one where he said, you know,
I've been fooling around with

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the new upgrade to is it called
Sono Suno?

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Yeah, Suno.
Yep, right Suno.

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So apparently they've just had a
new upgrade that is amazing.

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Oh, interesting.
OK, good to know.

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I I don't think I'm paying for
Suno at the moment.

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I every once in a while when I
get inspiration, I'll go I'll

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pay for a month and I'll use it
for a couple weeks and then I'll

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cancel it until I need it again.
Let's BC you got something for

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us.
Go ahead.

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Good morning, Sir.
Yeah, I somehow missed this in

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the Top Gun chat.
I don't don't know how I did,

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but I love the Jingle.
And I got to say, I almost want

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to pair it with like 9 to 5 from
Dolly Parton kind of, you know

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how a lot of like really cool,
like opening songs in the

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theater have like a prelude.
This shingle should be the

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prelude.
And then we go into Dolly Parton

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95 like the perfect morning duo
song I think would.

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Be great.
It's true, it's true.

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Good point it does fit for a
morning show yeah, absolutely.

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Thank you BC well, keep that in
mind, although can't really use

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that because then we'll get in
trouble for using music.

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And man, Spotify, YouTube, I
mean, I think a lot of us know

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YouTube's really cracked down.
Spotify really is cracking down.

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I saw that our friend Chris
Vaglio, a long time member of

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this community, his show that
does a lot, I think it's now

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called Vinyl Verdicts if I'm not
mistaken, formerly Song Swap

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Showdown.
I know that they recently made

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the announcement that they're
done with their audio broadcast

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or their audio feed, if you
will, because it gets taken down

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so many times.
And YouTube, I guess he's

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figured out a way to make it all
work.

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But Spotify, he can't, and they
just keep taking down his

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content.
So he's just decided, I ain't

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fighting this battle anymore.
I'm just taking my content off

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the audio streams altogether and
more power to him.

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I get it.
I get it if it's really that

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disruptive, disruptive to your
flow, you got to sometimes makes

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the hard decisions and I can
appreciate that he went ahead

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and did that.
All right, let's get into this

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discussion last week,
specifically last Tuesday, we

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had a really strong conversation
about why a podcast may not be

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growing and we talked about
things like strategy, content,

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consistency, and what growth
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But the more I sat with that
conversation afterward, the more

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I kept coming back to the three
things that seemed to show up

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often when a show is either
growing or maybe feeling stuck.

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And to me, those three things,
and they may be different,

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different to you, and that's
fine.

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But for me, those three things
usually are clarity,

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consistency, and compelling
content, because I believe that

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most podcasters know that those
things matters.

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But I'm not sure that we always
stop to ask which one matters

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most, if any, or which one may
be the real issue when momentum

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isn't really happening.
So today I want to use basically

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last week's conversation as the
jumping off point and then go a

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little deeper now.
So for example, if a podcast

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wants stronger growth or
stronger momentum, what matters

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most that that the clarity, the
consistency, the compelling

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content.
And when one of those is

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missing, how do you know?
How can you tell specifically?

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But before we decide which one
matters most, let's make sure

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we're even talking about the
same things here.

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So again, because clarity,
consistency, content, they can

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all mean very different things
depending on who you ask.

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So I think the way I want to do
this first, which of those three

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things that I just mentioned
feels easiest to define, to

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define, and which one feels a
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because maybe it has multiple
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All right, so I'm going to let's
see who is that?

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Let's go to let's see.
Oh, we got multiple people here

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wanting to chime in.
We'll go to Matt Bliss first.

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Good morning, Matt.
Good morning.

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I think compelling content, the
content bit is probably the

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hardest to define or nail down,
if only because there is a

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subjective element to it that
something compelling to one

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person isn't as compelling to
another person.

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And so trying to nail that down
is probably the hardest and

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probably requires one of the
other two to get to that point,

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I think.
Yeah.

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I guess also you could make a
case that compelling content is

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subjective.
So maybe part of that definition

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is also compelling content for
your audience, right.

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It's content that your audience
finds compelling.

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I mean, yeah, and we can talk
about that.

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Is that the case or is it really
compelling for to the podcaster?

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If the podcaster feels this is
compelling, is that enough?

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I think it's an ABI.
Think you've got to have both.

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Like if you don't, if you're not
compelled by, I guess the usual

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test that I put out there is if
you don't want to listen to what

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you're putting out there, then
should you even be making it?

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So it's got to be compelling to
you and try to make it as

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compelling to your ideal
audience as possible.

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Fairpoint.
Yeah.

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Let's go to BC and hear what BC
has to say about this.

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Go ahead, my friend.
Good morning.

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Right, good morning, right in
light with you too.

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I want to say I want even
stretch the definition of

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compelling just a bit and say
that it's not just the AB thing,

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it's an ABC thing because
there's the podcaster, the

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audience, but also how's your
platform that your content is on

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going to carry your content?
I forget who mentioned this, I

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think it was last week or the
week before, but someone

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mentioned what they like to do
is they like to take their

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podcast transcript and feed it
and confirm what questions does

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this conversation answer?
What solutions does this

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conversation provide?
And then use that set of answers

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to then write out the
description, the title, the

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subtitle to fit.
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query based, people are looking
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the question.
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compelling content, if we hit
what we like, what the audience

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likes, but also what the
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find, then those three elements
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Yeah.
And what's interesting is, and

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it makes total sense when you're
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content, it actually feels like
it also applies to clarity for

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how you're describing it, right?
Like being able to, you know,

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who is this helping?
How is it helping them?

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it also then helps define the
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Ralph, did you want to chime in

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too?
Yeah, I just wanted to chime in

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with this.
A lot of people see the word

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consistency and they think, oh,
that just means I'm posting

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every day.
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it a little deeper than that as
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consistency means a consistent
message that's on point.

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That's the same theme as what
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Because you hear a lot of people
talk about, well, I'm just going

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to be consistently putting out
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Oh, I'm going to make sure I
have an episode that comes out

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every Monday.
But that's not what consistency

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is to me.
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delivering on a consistent
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expecting you to deliver to
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So I think it's easy to go past
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Oh, that's just a, that's just a
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do want every week.
So I just wanted to chime in

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with that Mark.
Ralph, do you feel like if you

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had to choose, and I'm kind of
jumping ahead from my rundown

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here, but if you had to choose,
which of those three CS do you

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feel is most important for a
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Specifically, I actually think
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you why, because, and we kind of
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Nick brought this up about, you
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to that new thing, that new
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idea of compelling can get you

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in trouble because if you always
feel like I got to deliver

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something that no one else is
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That helps you grow your
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I think what helps you grow your
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relationship with them.
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relationship by being
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Consistent in the things you
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tone of voice, consistent in the
way that you treat the people

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who are guests on your show or
the things you talk about.

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South Mark, for me, honestly, I
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consistency.
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think you need to be abundantly
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convey in your content.
So for me, consistency, clarity,

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compelling, honestly, the truth
is, like I listen to some

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podcasts that aren't terribly
compelling, but I want to hear

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what the host is going to say
next because I've developed a

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relationship with that person.
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but I've heard it said people
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They come back for you, they
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And, and honestly, I think
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us in the morning.
It's the relationships that we

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have with each other, and it's
the relationships that the

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audience has developed with each
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Yeah, they're not coming for our
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That is not at all what I was
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I know.
And by the way, Ralph, since you

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brought up yesterday's show,
it's a good moment to pause real

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quick and say not just thank you
for holding down the Fort, but

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also really killing it yesterday
on the fly, being able to run a

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whole show that you didn't even
prepare.

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You ran the show that Jonathan
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But unfortunately, Jonathan was
dealing with some health issues.

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He's fine, but but it did
prevent him from taking control

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yesterday of the show and
actually showing up at all for

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the show.
So kudos to you, Ralph.

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Thank you for doing what you did
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Not easy, honest moment.
I have to be honest, about two

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minutes before I'm thinking, is
Jonathan going to make it?

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I hope he's OK.
And then I'm saying, oh, I know

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he did a slide presentation.
I looked at it a few minutes

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before the show, but honestly, I
feel like I was juggling balls

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the whole time.
But I just want to thank Nick.

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I want to thank Sid and
everybody else that helped chime

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in yesterday because actually, I
think it turned out to be a

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really cool episode.
The only problem is Mark

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listening back to it.
I wish I would have said take a

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bite out of crime.
I think it would have been

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cooler if I just said that a few
times.

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But thank you.
Thank you, Mark.

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I appreciate that.
Yeah, you're welcome, Ralph.

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Thank you.
And looking here in the

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clubhouse chat, Jessica says
these three things she's calling

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virtues, she says they aren't
separate virtues.

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They are spot.
The spine, heart and voice of a

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podcast held together creates
one body of work.

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Very well said.
I mean, I think there is

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something to be said about that.
All three components.

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Maybe 1 doesn't outweigh the the
other.

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Maybe all are necessary.
I know when I was listening to

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Ralph Scheer, I was thinking,
wow, so compelling content he's

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holding till the last spot.
But as he kept making his case

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for the other two, I was
thinking, well, yeah, that makes

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sense.
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And then I was like, yeah, that
makes but you know, it's, it's

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it's, yeah, there is a case here
that all three may be important.

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BC did you want to add more to
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Yeah, there's one clarifying
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point.
Before the audience here when

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you mention that with
consistency is about answering a

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expected question or message
that your audience is expecting.

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I know what you're saying.
And just before the audience,

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you're clarifying that it's
about an overarching message

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that kind of goes across your
entire show, as opposed to how

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your episodic topics might
fluctuate, correct?

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Yeah, exactly.
I think that you need to be

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addressing a pain point of your
audience.

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It could be you want to
entertain them, it could be you

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want to educate them, it could
be you want to inform them, but

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you've always got to be doing
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I think the trap is a lot of
content creators go off on

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tangents and they have episodes
that have nothing to do with the

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core reason that their audience
is coming.

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And that is not consistency.
To me, it's one thing to put out

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a show every day, every week
that just because the sake you

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put something out, but I think
you need to stay on message and

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you always have to say, OK, is
this message delivering the core

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things that my audience is
coming to me for.

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So.
So BC I hope that addresses

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where I was going with that.
Absolutely.

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Thank you.
Thank you both, appreciate that.

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And Jessica also put in the chat
here.

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We return for the 4th C
connection.

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Yeah, I can't disagree with that
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If we're adding on to that those
list of those top three, that at

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least the ones that I chose,
connection I think is a really

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important one and worth part of
a conversation, part of this

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conversation.
And I want to jump back to Matt

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for a second because Matt, you
put something in the chat that I

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think is worth a discussion
around consistency.

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You said consistency is not
frequency, and I feel like a lot

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of us make that jump, make that
assumption that it is.

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Yeah.
Why do you feel differently?

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Well, I think Ralph pretty much
covered it, at least nestled

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away in all of those good bombs
that he was dropping there.

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But that doesn't work for
everybody.

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And in all honesty, I was
actually going to Chuck my hand

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up there and start to say things
like, there's always an

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exception to what we're talking
about here.

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Like, these aren't rules
necessarily, but they're a good

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starting point.
The good starting point is doing

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content every week.
But as you continue to make the

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content and get clear and
establish your connection with

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your audience and all of these
other aspects, you may not have

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to do it every week.
And that's the other trap for

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new podcasters and content
creators too.

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You're not trapped in weekly,
daily content.

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You can change it as long as
you're clear and you know all of

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the other things we've been
talking about.

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So don't feel like you have to
do weekly.

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Every, every time I hear someone
who's new to the podcasting

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space give advice like that and
say, you know what?

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If you want to be effective and
make sure your audience knows

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where you are, show up every
day, every time, exactly the

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same every week, and they will
just appear that it's not the

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case.
You don't have to be frequent,

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you just have to be consistent.
So Matt, would you and I think

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you kind of said this, but just
to be clear.

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So yeah, I'm with you that it
does not have to be weekly.

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That does not define
consistency.

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But my question then, do you
believe that people should be,

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let's say they want to do it bi
weekly, Do they want to show?

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Is it important for them to show
up on that same day, let's say

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every other Wednesday?
That podcast comes out every

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other Wednesday.
Is that important?

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Does that fall under the
definition of consistency for

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you?
I think so.

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I think the corollary to what I
just said, if it's not

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frequency, then you just have to
be clear with the expectations

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of your audience.
So if they know to expect

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something from you once a month,
then that's when to expect it.

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I think the expectation is even
a bit of a Gray area because

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podcasts come out when they come
out.

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I think we all want to think
about what happens in the 1st 24

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hours and that people show up as
soon as the episode releases and

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consumes it straight away.
But there have been episodes on

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this show that talk about that
first 24 hours isn't necessarily

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the most valuable period unless
you've got a sponsor or any kind

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of obligations and stuff like
that.

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So expectations and transparency
that comes with clarity and

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connection with your audience.
There's, there's a lot, a lot of

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rabbit holes we could jump down
with that.

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So I'll be guarded by you when
you want to keep going or not

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with that one.
Yeah, I I do.

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But let's see what Ralph.
Maybe he wants to add something

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to what you're saying.
Go ahead, Ralph.

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Yeah.
And I want to add to this what

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Matt is sort of alluding to, but
I don't think said is this is

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where having an ecosystem for
your content is so important.

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Because if you have an ecosystem
of emails that are going out,

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YouTube Shorts and Reels, you're
reinforcing that message and

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you're reinforcing that
frequency.

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And I have to trumpet what Matt
said.

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It's not the sake of what I have
to put something out every week.

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Because I think the problem with
that thought is people put out

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mediocre mess stuff when that
happens just because they see it

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on their calendar.
I've got to do a show.

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And I found myself in that same
trap doing a Daily Show.

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I had to take a step back at
times and say, you know what,

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Ralph?
This isn't great.

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This isn't delivering now.
I've gotten to the point now

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where I've got to the point
where I'm delivering on a daily

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basis.
But it's a lot of methodology.

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There's a lot of intention to
that, but if you're not meeting

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a weekly thing, connect with
your audience, share with them.

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Here's what's going on.
I think we got a delicate

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balance here.
I think there definitely is

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value in being consistent as it
relates to frequency because I

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think people do build it into
their routine.

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I'll give you a great example of
that.

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Like I listen to Dave Jackson
show every Monday morning when

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I'm lifting weights and I just
know it's going to be there when

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I get up on Monday morning.
I listen to James Credlin's Pod

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News Daily Show every morning.
I listen to the show on Friday.

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So I think some of that is true.
But if you're just putting

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content out for the sake of
frequency, be careful with that

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because I don't think that's
going to grow your audience.

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And that's really what we were
talking about here at the

453
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,680
beginning was what are the
stumbling blocks to growing your

454
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,880
audience?
And if you're just putting out

455
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,920
stuff in a frequency pattern, I
don't know it's going to help

456
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,880
you grow your audience.
Yeah.

457
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,200
And I want to add on to that
too.

458
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,160
Sometimes look, I think that
there is a case for weekly

459
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,720
content and being consistent in
that way.

460
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,280
And to your point, Ralph, I also
believe that sometimes,

461
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,320
sometimes it's not our best day.
Sometimes we don't have the best

462
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,600
content to put forward for our
audience, but maybe we have a

463
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,600
single thought or we have a
single tip that we do think

464
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,600
would be valuable to our
audience.

465
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,480
There is nothing wrong with, and
I encourage you then do a

466
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,880
podcast episode on that one tip.
If it takes you 5 minutes in

467
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:48,040
order to both provide valuable
content and that frequency, I

468
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,640
won't call it consistency, but I
do think frequency is important.

469
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,520
So I would say go for it at that
point.

470
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,600
Put out that one tip, put out
that 5 minute episode because at

471
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,400
least you're still showing up
and you're showing up in a way

472
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,360
that's valuable to your
community.

473
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,200
I'm going to let Matt respond to
that because I'm thinking that's

474
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,200
why he just raised his hand.
And then I'm going to go to

475
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,920
Nick, who has something to add
to all this too.

476
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,680
Go ahead, Matt.
I think it is perfectly

477
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,400
acceptable for someone starting
a new podcast project or at the

478
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,480
very beginning of their creation
journey at all to have

479
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,960
consistency B frequency, because
showing up all the time means

480
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,000
that you are putting the reps in
to create that content.

481
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,000
And you won't be clear and you
won't have compelling content at

482
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,360
the beginning, but that
frequency builds the reps for

483
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,320
you to then become clear and
make the content compelling to

484
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,480
be able to do it.
So if you're at the start, don't

485
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,920
listen to us and say showing up
every week isn't important

486
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,640
because sometimes for you it
might be just to be there and

487
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,520
start creating.
Some people need that, you know.

488
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,840
Yep, Yep.
Thank you, Matt.

489
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,600
Real quick, let me pause here
because I want to remind you

490
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,280
that this Thursday, we're back
with one of our podcast

491
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,680
evaluation episodes on the
podcasting morning chat.

492
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,960
And that's where our team
listens closely, shares

493
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,920
thoughtful and honest feedback,
and turns 1 podcast into a

494
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,880
learning opportunity for
everyone in the room.

495
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,040
I feel like somebody's mic is
off.

496
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,760
Yeah, it's Jonathan's.
Sorry.

497
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,720
This week, we're evaluate
evaluating.

498
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,360
Let me do this.
Coffee's hot brain is not mouth,

499
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,560
says glorning.
Guess I forgot words are hard in

500
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:32,720
the morning.
So hard.

501
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,480
Tongue still dreaming, thoughts
just snoring.

502
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,760
I mean well, but I'm still
yawning.

503
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,880
Words are hard in the morning.
Did I say that out loud?

504
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,600
This week we're evaluating
Salvage, a narrative podcast

505
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,600
focused on historic ocean
events, survival, and fatal

506
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,520
decisions.
So join us live for a breakdown

507
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,840
of the storytelling, pacing,
audio delivery, and a whole lot

508
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,600
more.
You can get the link to hear the

509
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,960
episode we'll be evaluating in
our show notes today.

510
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,360
And of course, we'll play lots
of clips for you during

511
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,240
throughout that episode on
Thursday, so you can really get

512
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,120
the context of what we're
actually talking about when

513
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,760
we're breaking down this
episode.

514
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,520
He's he's excited about.
Oh yeah, you talked to him.

515
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,600
Yeah, he's very excited.
He's really looking forward to

516
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,360
it.
Awesome, awesome.

517
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,040
Glad to hear it.
So let's make sure we give him a

518
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,880
link.
If he wants to join us live,

519
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,560
he's welcome to do that too.
So, and that's a fair reminder

520
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,720
to our team.
Please go check that out and

521
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,240
evaluate, get your forms in so
that we can have a healthy

522
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,200
conversation around that.
So thank you.

523
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,760
OK, Nick, I wanted to come to
you.

524
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,480
You had something you wanted to
add to this whole discussion

525
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,520
around content clarity.
What was my last one?

526
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,280
Consistency.
Go for it, Nick.

527
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:01,000
Let's see if I can rein my
thoughts in, similar to what

528
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,040
Matt was saying, like compelling
content, the clarity, like all

529
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,640
that's going to become with
repetition.

530
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,080
And I honestly think that
information is king when it

531
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,480
comes to all this.
The data, all of that is

532
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:19,360
extremely important and it is
very difficult to put together

533
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,560
great data points when the
content is infrequent.

534
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,920
So if you are starting out, I
think there's some merit to

535
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:34,640
starting out with a higher
frequency to get the reps in,

536
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,280
collect more data.
And just I, I think about like

537
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,920
back when I was before
podcasting even, I was doing

538
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,440
blog posts and I was analyzing
analytics and looking at all the

539
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,720
stuff, trying to figure out
where my audience was and is.

540
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,320
And when I was putting out a
blog post a week, it was like, I

541
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,720
have to wait a whole week and
then some just to see any kind

542
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,600
of movement or anything going
on.

543
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,360
Where when I was putting out
multiple blog posts a week, you

544
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,840
start getting more consistent
data coming in that can help

545
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,760
shape and direct you.
And you kind of lose that if you

546
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,640
have a very infrequent or a
less, Yeah, a less frequent.

547
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,040
Show.
But aside from the data point

548
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,880
aspect of it, which I think is
extremely important, you have to

549
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,040
remember how fast content moves
now, like if as a creator, and

550
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,440
this is especially true on
social media, I don't think it's

551
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,840
as prevalent in podcasts, you
know, like long form content.

552
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,960
But if you're not consistently
putting out content, your

553
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,160
audience is going to get the
content from someone else.

554
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,400
So if someone else is putting
out content five times a week

555
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,800
and you're doing once a week,
whose content do you think

556
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,400
they're going to see?
So I do think that there is some

557
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,440
merit to the frequency side of
things.

558
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,600
So, but at the beginning, I
think the more content you can

559
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,560
put out, the more information
you're going to have, the more

560
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,280
trust you're going to build with
people and the more people are

561
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,880
just going to recognize you.
And if your content is clear and

562
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,120
that message is clear and
consistent, like it's just going

563
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,600
to further reinforce you and
your brand that that's what I

564
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,000
wanted to add.
Yeah.

565
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Thank you.
And there was one other thing

566
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,960
that you said earlier that I
wanted to reiterate because you

567
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,000
reiterated the other points that
I think had a lot of merit.

568
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,760
But the idea that you're putting
in the reps, especially early

569
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,400
on, like there is a lot to be
said about that.

570
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,520
There's value there.
The more you can get in, I think

571
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,800
the quicker you'll get
comfortable because it does take

572
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,120
time.
If this is new to you, if you

573
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,920
haven't often pulled out a
microphone and a camera and

574
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,200
started recording content for
other people to see, there is a

575
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,440
learning curve for all of us if
we're in the, that particular

576
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,840
position.
So I, I really appreciate that

577
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,560
point because I don't think it's
talked about enough when we talk

578
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,960
about frequency.
So thank you for that, Nick.

579
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,880
I'm going to go to Dr. and then
I'm going to go to BC.

580
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,240
First, I just wanted to read.
I saw Jonathan had a point here.

581
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,560
Jonathan, define your own
consistency and then stick to

582
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,360
that.
Yes, totally with you there,

583
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,040
Jonathan and Dr. what did you
want to add?

584
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,560
Well, the way the question was
asked kind of insinuate

585
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,040
insinuates is not the right
word.

586
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,320
But words are hard in the
morning.

587
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:23,960
OK, So kind of has this feeling
of, you know, if you batch your

588
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,800
episodes, you wouldn't really
necessarily have to worry about

589
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,280
those off days, those days that
don't feel so good because

590
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,280
you've got episodes in the bank
that you can bring out.

591
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,240
And you know, in all
transparency, Mark, you and I

592
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,920
have talked about trying to bank
some episodes for this show and

593
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,000
we just haven't landed on on
them yet.

594
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,880
But it's definitely something
that is still on the back burner

595
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,160
for us.
Yeah, well, one of the ways

596
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,160
we're going to do that is we're
going to do a spotlight series

597
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,760
with the entire team and have
individual interviews to get to

598
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,000
know them better, their content
creation journeys better.

599
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,040
Because I think it's important
for our audience, as we said

600
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,720
earlier, right?
We there's a trust that builds

601
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,920
on a podcast between an audience
and a host, and in our case,

602
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,360
multiple hosts.
Yeah.

603
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,600
So I'd like to put people in the
spotlight and bank those

604
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,040
episodes for those rainy days,
for those days that like

605
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,560
yesterday that we could have
done that instead of putting

606
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,160
Ralph on in the hot seat,
running a whole show that he

607
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,360
hadn't prepared.
Right.

608
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,680
Yeah.
OK, cool.

609
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,200
Yeah.
Good point, Dr. Thank you for

610
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,560
that.
DC, did you want to chime in or

611
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,120
did you take your hand down?
Legacy Hand.

612
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,760
Legacy Hand.
Legacy hands.

613
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,000
Gotcha.
OK, cool.

614
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,680
So there's one area I wanted to
get into here.

615
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:54,200
Where do you think podcasters
are naturally stronger in one

616
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,760
area, one of those areas, those
three areas then the other?

617
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,080
Like do we think that?
Now I know that's, that can

618
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,360
depend on where we are in our
podcasting journey, but let's

619
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,199
talk about early on 1st as early
podcasters since we've all been

620
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:14,000
there, where do you think
podcasters are naturally

621
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,199
stronger in those three CS?
Or if maybe you think there's

622
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,280
another area, where are they
stronger than others?

623
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,840
Yeah, Ralph, go ahead.
Well, I'll be honest with you.

624
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,199
I'll talk about me.
So when I relaunched my podcast

625
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,480
in November of 2023, I made a
commitment that day.

626
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,679
I said I'm going to do a daily
podcast for three years.

627
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,719
I'm going to do it every day.
I'm going to put content out

628
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,400
every single day.
O for me, the easiest thing to

629
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,280
do, Mark, honestly, was be
frequency consistent.

630
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,800
I knew every day.
Now I got to be honest with you.

631
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,199
I sound like an air traffic
controller.

632
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,639
At first I was putting out hour
long daily content.

633
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,840
I put in the chat and I hope we
want to go back to this, but

634
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,440
could you actually be putting
out too much information?

635
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,360
And I, and I look back at it, I
had a couple people say to me, I

636
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,520
did an audience survey and they
said, Ralph, man, we love you.

637
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,760
But dude, we can only take one
bite at a time.

638
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,360
And So what I've had to do is it
was easy to put out more and

639
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,520
more, man, Dude, I can dump
about financial stuff for hours

640
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,320
like you would.
I could put you to sleep because

641
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,800
I've seen it all.
I've been doing this for 30

642
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,120
years.
It's like old hat to me.

643
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,360
But the thing that I said that
you asked the question, I'm

644
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,640
going to answer your question
directly.

645
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,040
For me, it was easy to put out
frequency.

646
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,240
It was like, OK, I'm going to
make a commitment to do this

647
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,720
every single day.
But what I've learned is that I

648
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:31,240
was putting out too much.
I was overwhelming people.

649
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:34,000
So as much as I wanted to grow
my audience, they were like,

650
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,840
yeah, I can listen to you once a
week.

651
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,040
But dude, when you go on for an
hour every day, I can't make

652
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:39,920
that commitment.
Dude.

653
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,040
That's way too much for me.
That's totally fair.

654
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,640
Yeah.
And I saw Jonathan wanted to

655
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,360
chime in when you were sharing.
So let me just jump right to

656
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,320
Jonathan.
Go ahead.

657
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,520
Good morning, Sir.
How are you feeling, by the way?

658
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,080
Good morning.
I am alive and downstairs.

659
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,200
So that's a good thing.
What I wanted to say was so

660
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,400
there's right Nowadays
information can be gotten

661
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,440
everywhere.
So information isn't what

662
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,960
matters.
I think what really matters,

663
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,160
Ralph, is being out there and
putting things out, whatever

664
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,120
your frequency is, but so that
people get to know you.

665
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,720
It's not the information they're
really showing up and ready for,

666
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,360
because they can get that
information anywhere.

667
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,680
Yep, Fairpoint.
Thank you.

668
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,520
Jonathan, I saw Ralph, you were
nodding your head there.

669
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,400
Did you want to chime?
In I just wanted to say yes but.

670
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,440
No, in my world it's yes and.
OK, so yes and all right, fair

671
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,840
enough.
Yes, and you also can overwhelm

672
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,880
them though too.
And I just think we need to be

673
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,600
very careful about information
over though.

674
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,720
But I agree with you, Jonathan.
You're connecting to your

675
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:47,520
audience, you're building and
you know, I'm all about

676
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,280
relationships.
You're building that

677
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,600
relationship when you're being
consistent.

678
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,880
So, Jonathan, you and I are very
much on the same page.

679
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,560
Thank you, Ralph.
Thank you, Jonathan for that

680
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,080
clarifying point.
I appreciate it.

681
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,960
Let's see.
Let's go to Matt and then Janae

682
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,640
is on stage as well.
So we will hear from him too.

683
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,400
Go for it, Matt.
I had a follow up but I got a

684
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,280
few things from what about
random my brain at the moment.

685
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,120
So what I will say is that we
don't also have AC that I think

686
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,640
new podcasters have in abundance
at the beginning.

687
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,080
We have an E.
Which is enthusiasm.

688
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,120
And I think there's like a
almost a linear curve of

689
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,480
enthusiasm dipping over time as
podcasters get more and more

690
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,320
overwhelmed.
I think if we were going to

691
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,080
frame it right, Ralph's
enthusiasm led to his

692
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,640
commitment, which led to
consistency, which allowed him

693
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,760
to get clear on all of the
things we're talking about that

694
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,640
are great.
But I think bridling that

695
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,440
enthusiasm and having the
journey be clear enough to any

696
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,840
podcaster starting ensures that
all of these things are

697
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,120
possible.
Like you're doing the Nic,

698
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,240
you're getting your data to
become clearer after the

699
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:01,200
frequency to become consistent,
building your connection with

700
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,200
your audience and that feedback
loop recurring, you know, or a

701
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,640
Boris of information that helps
you even if you are over

702
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,040
informative at the start and
don't focus on the trust and

703
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,160
connection that Jonathan's
talking about, you'll get there.

704
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,560
Like it just takes a little bit
of time to get there and a

705
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,600
little bit of practice.
So enthusiasm CCCCE we.

706
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,240
Need one more vowel?
I feel like we could start

707
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,280
making this into an acronym, but
yeah we'll we'll see.

708
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,840
Go ahead BC You got to come off
mute though.

709
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,520
Yes, I do.
I'm really happy that Matt

710
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200
brought up the thought about
enthusiasm because I had a

711
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,480
point.
I wasn't sure how to make it

712
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,520
work.
Then he mentioned enthusiasm

713
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:45,680
because I think another area
that early on podcasters have

714
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:51,800
really strong engagement with is
clarity, initial clarity of what

715
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,040
they want their show to be
about.

716
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,080
And I think they come in, they
maintain that more simplistic

717
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,000
view of a podcasting is they can
maintain that initial clarity.

718
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,880
But I think what happens is that
they get introduced to the world

719
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,440
of podcasting.
They see all the nuances, all

720
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,880
the ways in which they're show
can pivot which way or what.

721
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,400
And then the clarity becomes
less and less.

722
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,880
And then they start to question
where do we want the show to go?

723
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,120
And I think when that happens,
both the clarity and the

724
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,320
enthusiasm begin to plateau or
dip down.

725
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,280
So that's my little to take
there.

726
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,760
I love that.
And I know I keep saying we're

727
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,840
coming to you, Janae, to stand
by, but I see Matt wanted to

728
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,080
respond.
So go ahead, Matt.

729
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,040
Getting too focused on pulling
that hand down before I even

730
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,360
unmute the microphone.
I don't want these people on the

731
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,400
screen.
The way the thing that I forgot

732
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,600
about before that I was going to
mention ties directly into what

733
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,520
BC is talking about there.
And to keep in mind, it's the

734
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,280
Dunning Kruger effect.
It's a cognitive bias whereby we

735
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,600
think we know everything we need
to know, but we actually know

736
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,960
less than we think.
We feel like we have mastery,

737
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,320
but there's still quite a
journey to go.

738
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,360
So an enthusiastic podcaster
feels like they have clarity.

739
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,880
And I think the important thing
to know is that you're at the

740
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,000
beginning of that Dunning Kruger
curve.

741
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,040
The journey isn't as clear to
you, but being enthusiastic and

742
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,520
clear about what you're doing
will push you into those spaces

743
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,000
to test things.
But just make sure that you're

744
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,400
open.
To change and adapting as things

745
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,680
don't happen the way you expect.
Because we all fall in the

746
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,520
Dunning Kruger trap.
And I'm very deliberately not

747
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,400
trying to explain it because
it'll take a while to explain,

748
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,520
but Google it if you want to
find out more.

749
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,240
Thank you, Matt.
Dave in the chat said.

750
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,360
I think we need a quote UN quote
wheel of Matt.

751
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,560
He's an amazing linguistics
toolbox.

752
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,400
Maybe I need a penalty box or
something that you guys can just

753
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,480
Chuck me in when you know that
you're running out of time.

754
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,080
Right, well Matt, I gotta say
your answers have been very

755
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,280
concise and to the point today.
And to Daves point, yeah, you

756
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,640
are a plethora of knowledge when
it comes to words and

757
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,680
linguistics.
Yes, I agree with him

758
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,360
wholeheartedly.
It's our version of the Naughty

759
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Chair, the podcasting version of
the Naughty Chair.

760
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,800
Yes, and it defies the whole
words in the morning Jingle that

761
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,920
we've just adopted because Matt
seems to do very well, but he's

762
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,640
also several hours ahead of us,
so it's not the morning anymore.

763
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,640
Currently my afternoon, I've
been awake for several hours

764
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,320
already.
Hey, Mark.

765
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,960
Mark, can I just interject
something for those of us who

766
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,760
are doing this live?
You've got to read what Matt has

767
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,840
as his subtitle under his name
today because I see he's

768
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,080
intentionally changed that.
And Matt, I want you to share

769
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,280
that because I just think it's
perfect.

770
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,040
Yeah.
So for the listeners, it says my

771
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,280
name, and underneath it says
freshly apocalyptimistic.

772
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,320
Now to shove those two things
together, it's an interesting

773
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,920
paradoxical term, but it's
actually related to a film

774
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,520
that's currently only coming out
in the US It's a film about the

775
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,800
future of AI, made in, I think,
in consultation with the Center

776
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,520
for Humane Technology.
But it's the directors and

777
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,800
producers of, I think they
called them the Dan's Everywhere

778
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,400
All at Once.
Fill that in for me.

779
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,520
They directed it, interviewed
all of the the bigwigs, the

780
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:21,240
massive people in AI and they're
trying to find the human element

781
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,200
in AI progression out of the
Duma kind of mentality alongside

782
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,960
the tech optimist mentality.
So there's an apocalypse, some

783
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,840
people are optimistic.
And so it's the AI doc, how I

784
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,800
became an apocalyptimist.
So I've stolen it from

785
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,560
somewhere, but you should look
it up.

786
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,920
The AI doc.
Very important thing to watch I

787
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,720
think.
OK, OK, cool.

788
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,480
But Mark, Mark, I wanted, I
wanted to interject that

789
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,320
because, and I know you want to
go to Janae, but I just want to

790
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,240
throw something out there
because Matt just keyed into

791
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:52,400
something we hadn't thought
about.

792
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,720
A lot of people have built their
content around AI and this is

793
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:01,880
where a time when we talk about
consistency and clarity and all

794
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,080
that, think about, are you
speaking from the heart?

795
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,600
Are you speaking from the AI
chat bot?

796
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,720
I just want to throw that out
there because I've seen a lot of

797
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,240
that lately.
This is a good time.

798
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,200
As we're talking about growing
your show, are you growing it

799
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,400
based on things that you've
experienced, your takeaways from

800
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,920
those things?
Are you growing it from what AI

801
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,800
is spitting out for you?
Yeah, it's been really driving

802
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,040
me crazy, all the AI written
content lately.

803
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,640
I mean, I do it too.
Again, I'm not ashamed to admit

804
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,880
it, but I do really try to go
through it with a fine tooth

805
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,880
comb and ask myself, does this
really sound like me or does it

806
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,400
sound like AI?
And if it sounds like AI, I'm

807
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,520
changing it up.
But yeah, I made AI, did a

808
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,920
Instagram story the other day,
calling out when people, when I

809
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,360
know, and how I know when people
are using AI.

810
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,120
And surprisingly, it was a more
popular story than I thought it

811
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,560
would be.
But a lot of people I guess

812
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,880
resonated with it especially.
It's that term that I've called

813
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,120
out here before.
When you're writing and you say

814
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,400
multiple times in one piece of
writing, whether it's a script,

815
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,080
A blog, or whatever, when you're
doing the whole, it's not this,

816
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,080
it's that nonsense.
If you do that multiple times in

817
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,320
one sitting, I know you've had
AI write it right like it.

818
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,760
So I get it that because there
are times that I naturally might

819
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,760
use that kind of phrasing, but
I'm not using it multiple times

820
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,960
in one sitting.
We'll need to take a deep dive

821
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,800
into this captivating subject
matter.

822
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,360
Are you being AI right now?
Yeah.

823
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,960
We need to delve deeper.
I think you mean Dr. The delve

824
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,240
stuff has gotten better, I think
most people have gotten rid of

825
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:50,440
using that for the most part
nowadays and when they use it I

826
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,960
feel like now it's more natural.
But I remember when ChatGPT

827
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,600
really made it onto the scene
and everyone started using it,

828
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,840
there was some report that
showed it might have been like a

829
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,000
Webster's report, dictionary
report or something, that the

830
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,880
word Delve had been used an
unimaginable amount of times

831
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,280
compared to prior to AI.
It was fascinating.

832
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,880
I can't remember the actual
stats.

833
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,440
Anyway, let's finally get to
Jinnade.

834
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,600
Who?
Yes, Jonathan, deep dive is

835
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,720
another one.
I agree.

836
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,760
Jinnade, please share.
What did you want to add to this

837
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,600
conversation, if you can
remember at this point?

838
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,360
Good morning everyone.
Thank you for inviting me to the

839
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,160
stage while I asked to come
here.

840
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:38,400
And I was going to share about
where consistency and growth are

841
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,160
interconnected.
And if you cut down on one of

842
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,240
them, you're going to be
hemorrhaging your growth.

843
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,760
It's almost like you've planted
the seeds and then you're

844
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,200
watering daily, but then
eventually you only water

845
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,560
weekly.
But then that also depends on

846
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,240
how big that tree has grown and
what fruits are you seeing.

847
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,600
So again, you got a private
conversation in in a way on a

848
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,800
podcast where not only are you
sharing what you're going

849
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,440
through and then and then think
you can talk for hours on the

850
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,840
struggles you're going on and
people will stick with it

851
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,320
because they relate with what
you're going through.

852
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,800
And an hour long of that kind of
conversation could survive.

853
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,480
But if proofread information,
information, information that

854
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,400
might be like, OK, I've had
enough information.

855
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,160
I want to know about what's
actually happening in your life.

856
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,880
Are you lifing or are you just,
you know, are you laughing like

857
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,680
I am?
And when you share that, people

858
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:45,040
feel a lot more connected than
if you just shared them about,

859
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,840
hey, the latest industry report
said that the SU instability

860
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,440
came out to 300% because of the
AI growth spot.

861
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,320
Like if you're just sharing
information or sharing knowledge

862
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,400
base, people can take only so
much as opposed to if you're

863
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,880
talking about life in general,
because that's going to attract

864
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,000
more people from the general
audience.

865
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,560
Was that general enough?
I don't know.

866
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,320
Matt, I think wanted to respond.
Go ahead, Matt.

867
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,640
Yeah, I like this analogy that
you used, watering a plant in

868
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,520
order to grow a tree that bears
fruit.

869
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,160
But I think we can extend that
further because a tree doesn't

870
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,800
just need water, it needs
fertilizer.

871
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,840
And there are going to be some
trees that grow better even

872
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,360
without watering it yourself.
Sometimes they just need a bit

873
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,120
of fertilizer and the right
environment and they grow.

874
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,480
So the podcasts that are
information based, perhaps news

875
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,320
shows where commentary isn't the
important thing, just details

876
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,320
about the world.
They're the succulents that

877
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,080
really you just put out there in
the world, a bit of dirt and a

878
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,200
bit of fertilizer and they grow.
Or they just sustain themselves

879
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,400
without you having to do much
work.

880
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,720
But the other trees that do
require water, that is that

881
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:02,160
audience connection where you
can share a little bit more of

882
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,840
yourself that yeah, I think that
analogy sticks.

883
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,720
I think it's a good one.
Yeah, Janae is putting in the

884
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:11,320
chat and emphatic yes, so I
think he's on the same.

885
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,000
Page woo Hoo and my brain is
awoke today.

886
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,200
The words are working.
Oh, wrong one.

887
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,480
Coffee's hot braining.
The words are working, it says.

888
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,280
Glorning.
Guess I forgot words are hard in

889
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,440
the morning.
So hard.

890
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:29,200
Tongue still dreaming.
That's just snoring.

891
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,560
I mean well, but I'm still
yawning.

892
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,640
Words are hard in the morning.
Did I say that out loud?

893
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,040
And Dolly?
No.

894
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,160
OK.
And Dolly, that's right.

895
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,040
Listen gang, I think what I like
about this conversation is that

896
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:50,040
it takes growth out of the
vague, frustrating category and

897
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,400
gives us something a little more
concrete to look at.

898
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,720
Because if a show isn't growing
the way you want, or if momentum

899
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:02,120
feels slower than maybe you
would expect it, it may come

900
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,480
back to one of those three
things, those three CS that

901
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,400
we're talking about, and maybe
some of the others that we've

902
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,280
talked about as well.
Maybe the show isn't clear

903
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,040
enough, or maybe the consistency
isn't strong enough, or maybe

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the content just isn't
compelling enough yet for people

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to come back or share it.
And maybe the real challenge is

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being honest enough to just
figure out which one or multiple

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of those things you're you need
to pay attention to most.

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So thank you all for a great
conversation this morning.

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And a reminder that tomorrow
we're back with all things

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podcasting news.
So we'll talk about the things

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that we believe may be important
for you as a content creator to

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stay in the know about.
And we'll talk about those

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things as well.
And a reminder if you want to

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see, we had at least, Yeah, five
of us from the stage on video

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today.
And if you want to join the five

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of us, sometimes more on on the
video streams, just go to

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podcastingmorningchat.com/join
us and you can learn all the

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different ways that you can
catch us live audio or video.

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So until tomorrow, make it a
great day everybody take care.