524. Overcoming Camera Fears as a Content Creator

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Marc Ronick: Good morning,

podcasters.

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Today is Tuesday, May the 26th
2026 And today, if
hitting

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record on video makes you over
think everything before
you

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even start, Katie Fox from Ecamm
is here to help DIY
podcasters

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build camera confidence without
chasing
perfection.

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Good morning again, podcasting


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morning show.
Thank you so much for being

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I am your host,
Mark Ronick,

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and currently on the virtual
stage with me we
have Ralph

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Estep, Dr. Fay, BC Babbles, and
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And good morning to those
of

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you joining us bright and early
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Thank you
for being here.
Yes, so today we are going to

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interview, discuss,
have a
conversation with Katie Fox from

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eCamm, and we will
share more
about Katie in just a minute.

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So, an unofficial hello
to
Katie.

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show.com/spotlight And as for
today, we're getting into


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something that I think a lot of
podcasters are thinking a lot


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about right now, and for some
people, maybe avoiding a little

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bit of it too, video, because
for some creators adding video


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feels exciting, and then there
are others that feel like it


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might be maybe exposing suddenly
the questions start to pile up.

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Where do I look?

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What camera do I need?
What if I look awkward?


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What if I mess up, what if I'm
just not somebody who's good on

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camera, and the truth is that a
lot of very capable podcasters


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feel that way.
That's why this conversation

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really matters.
And
I'm so glad that Katie's

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here today, and Ralph's going to
tell
us a little bit more

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about Katie.
Go ahead, Ralph.

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Ralph Estep Jr: Well, good

morning everybody.

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Yeah, our guest today is Katie
Fox.

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She's
the director of
marketing at eCamm, and she's

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co-host of The
Flow.
Now, there is where she helps

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creators, live streamers,
and
podcasters build better video

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workflows and show up more

confidently on screen.

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And hey, we all need to do that,
right?


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What makes this conversation
especially valuable today is


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that Katie's advice isn't just
professional, it's personal.


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She's been through a journey.
She's lived a transition from


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behind the scenes work to
becoming an on camera creator,


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and she's had to work through
that same fear, perfectionism,


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and self doubt that so many
podcasters feel.

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So today we're
going to talk
about what really makes being on

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camera feel hard,
how to get
more comfortable without

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overcame, over
complicating
the process and what podcasters

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actually need to
focus on if
they want to start doing video

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with more confidence
and less
pressure.

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If you've been waiting to feel
fully ready
before hitting

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record, this episode is for you.
So, please
help us in

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welcoming Katie Fox.
Good morning, Katie.

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Katie: Good morning.
Good
morning, I'm so excited

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to be here.
Thanks for having me.

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Marc Ronick: Great to have you

here.

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Yeah, and I think might as well
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And I think you might, I think
you have the first question, but

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I'm dying to also talk a
little bit about her VHS club

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video
podcast, because that
one I learned about this past

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week,
and I just instantly got
infatuated with the show.

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So I
want to hear more about
that, but I'll let you take the

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first
question, Ralph.
Ralph Estep Jr: Yeah, good


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morning, Katie.
Again, so for people meeting you

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for the first
time, Katie, how
do you describe what you do

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today?
How do you
describe what you

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Katie: do?
Oh my gosh, all
right, sure.

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Kick it off with the hardest
question here at
eight in the

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morning.
Yeah, it's a difficult one.

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I mean, I'm a
general
marketing person, so I

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technically, my title is

Director of Marketing, I lead.

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A really incredible team over at

eCamm, and we make a live

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streaming and video production

software for the Mac.

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And on a day-to-day basis, I get
the
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working with podcasters and
creators,
live streamers, and

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then people who are just brand
new, trying
to get into video

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and helping them to discover how
they're
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camera and how to do it really
effectively,
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professionally, Marc Ronick:
that works, and so
then I'm

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gonna ask you a little bit about
that podcast for a
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because, and actually, I think
you have three different


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podcasts, okay?
But the one I was most

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interested in, I know
you have
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eCamm show, Katie: that's an
e-came show,
correct?

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Yeah, yep, Marc Ronick: okay,
and then you
also have the

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what was that one, the makers
matter, right?

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Katie: So, and this is still

surreal to me, and we will break

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this down and talk about this,

but I, it is surreal to me that

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somehow I ended up with not one,

not two, but three video

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podcasts that I do live, so I

live stream each and every one

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of them, which, again, like, if
you had asked me this even five

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years ago would have been like

you're out of your mind, hard

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pass, but yeah, so I have the

flow, which I co-host with with

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one of my colleagues, Doc Rock,
and we share everything that

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you need to know about
podcasting
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video into the world of
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So if this
conversation
resonates, that's a great show

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to check out to kind
of dive
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topics.
I host a 80s and
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review podcast with my best
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called the VHS Club, where we
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movies, and you have the
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overhearing what we chat about.
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Jeff and I, we just have a..
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and it's.. it is a very casual,
hopefully inclusive, safe space

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for people to bring a project,
have it on in the background.

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I
crochet, he carves wood, and
we just chat about a variety of

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different topics.
It's Friday afternoons, it's a

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really, it's
a nice chance to
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we did it,
we got through the
week, we're just hanging out

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together.
The
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really to create a space where
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and we could just explore, like,
how
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world, lines up against analog,
in how
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of get away from some of these
digital
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really just do things with
people, do
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hands, make things.
It's been a really fun
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that's brand new, just started a
couple of weeks ago.

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Marc Ronick: Okay, cool.
So the
VH VHS club video

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podcast that I'm curious.
Now I saw you've
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of shows.
You did one was the what was the

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one
that you just did?
Katie: The Last Dragon, Marc

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Ronick: Last Dragon, that's

right.

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Yes, and I know when I was
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that, that movie, that was your
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Yes, I used to
love those
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then I saw you did
Spaceballs,
not too long ago.

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Katie: Upcoming Space Balls Marc
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Okay, yes, that's right,
upcoming.

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I'm looking forward to
that
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because yeah, there's some

hype around the new one coming

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out soon.
Yeah, cool.

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Okay,
cool.
I love that.

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Do you have a favorite episode
of the VHS club
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Katie: done?
Oh gosh, I really
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I really enjoy, which I didn't
think I would like this
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of it as much as I do, but when
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really meant to be just time for
Nat and I to hang out.

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We grew
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okay,
we'll just, no one will
come, we'll just sit here and

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chat and
hang out about
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enjoyed the most,
and my
favorite episodes are friends

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that I like, newer
friends
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most of whom have come to
me
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with other creators or

attending conferences.

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So, the Last Dragon was a great
example
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Jonathan, I met through a
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entrepreneurs and solopreneurs
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like, "Oh, I just would love to
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I'd love to
share all about
The Last Dragon.

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It's my favorite movie.
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I love hearing what movies like
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that nostalgia and those
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just want to be on the show.
I just think that's so fun and


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humbling and awesome, and I feel
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chance, and when they leave,
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to come back, like, we could
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so yeah, it's really fun to
have guests on, really fun to

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hear
everyone's favorite
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it's never
what you think,
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ask you, because a little while
ago you said, tell me five years

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ago that I'd be doing all
this, and I'd be like, hard

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pass,
right?
So, is that something where

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being on camera just felt

weird to you, or is that

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confidence something that you

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Katie: Oh gosh, not just weird,
terrifying, absolutely

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terrifying.
So, I came from a
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background, I always wanted to
work in publishing.

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My
ideal job, if you would ask
me, like, right out of school, I

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wanted to be a copy editor.
I wanted literally to sit, like,

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in a library-style room with,
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tea or coffee, with no people
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quietly correct novels.
Like, that was my goal.

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And I worked a
little bit in
publishing, but I somehow found

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my way into
marketing, and
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Writing, and
then social
media, and flash forward a few

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years into my
career, I had a
job at a company called Paint

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Night.
They're a
company that does

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paint and sip parties at bars
and restaurants
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across the world at this


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point, and I was managing and
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marketing support for, I think,
it was somewhere in the range of

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had to create these training
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completely fine in email,
totally fine building resources,

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you know, blog posts, PDFs,
like everything that they

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needed,
even pretty good on
calls, like totally fine to be

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on like a
video call, but
every time the videography team

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would come in,
like, it would
be like a team of people, right?

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You had, like,
the sound guy
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The second that the
camera
came up in front of me, like, I

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can't even properly, and
some
of you make, maybe can relate to

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this, I still have
this here
and there, but, like, my heart

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would race, my hands
would be
shaking, like everything that I

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had memorized
or worked on was
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It was the most, like, visceral.



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scary experience that I think
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like I, and it, I could not get
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insanely frustrating, like they
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and edit a ton, they were super
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we can come back, we can
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frustrating, and I just wanted
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always been personal, so I
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about the camera that really
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did.
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ironic and utterly
ridiculous
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point I ended up
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part again, part of
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was this idea of like that you

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just had to be on
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understand this or
get better
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selves if I'm not
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through, and it's
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I mean, I've been at
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so glad I did, and I'm
glad
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nicer, more accommodating
than
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well beyond, like, I don't like
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felt awful, like it was just a

horrible feeling.

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Marc Ronick: And I mean, jumping

ahead real quick, obviously

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this is just another example to
me of
doing the things that

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make us feel really
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push ourselves to do to do that.
There are a lot of
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and rewards on the other side of
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So, yeah, that's a cool, cool
thing to hear.

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And
Ralph, I'll let you take
the next one.

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I know you had a
question.
Ralph Estep Jr: Yeah, Katie, and

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I feel like exactly what you
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I do a live stream here
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live stream on Fridays, and

it's interesting, and I know

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you've mentioned this on one of
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It's different when it's just
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Because I notice when I'm with
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of those jitters, I don't feel
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like a totally different
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My face gets red, my hands get

hot.

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So I totally agree with what
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Why do you
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smart, capable podcasters freeze

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up when the
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What do you think that's all

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about?
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for different people.
I've been giving this a lot of

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thought,
actually, over the
last few years, because it comes

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up a
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I still don't like you when I'm

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by myself.
It is a
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different feeling.
There is a safety in
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being in a group of people.
I think for me it comes
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to share with people in this
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across as looking dumb, I don't
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ill prepared, I don't want to
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I'm showing up here on camera,
there is a value I'm hoping to


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provide for people, and so I
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gets in my head, is this idea of
what if people on the other side

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are thinking, well, why is she
showing up here, she's stumbling

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over her words, she doesn't
look professional, she doesn't,

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you
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right thing, like I'm past, I'm

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leaving, you know.
This is not valuable.

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I think a lot of people, and
I've
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but I think a lot of people also
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seeing yourself on camera is

uncomfortable in itself.

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Like, we all don't love
something
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how we sound, you know.
We're sort of
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like, oh, is that what I sound
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I don't love
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So, I think, you know, a little

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bit of it is probably
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time and think about it,

there's probably something in

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the back of your head that is

holding you back or making it

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feel uncomfortable.
So, for me,
I am in charge.

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Charge of the marketing team for
this company,
and I like when

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I show up, people have
expectations, and I
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to.
I want to deliver on those.

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I don't want to
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to think less of me.

So, for me, that I think that's

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still to some extent in the back

of my head, and something I

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have to deal with when I show up
on
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Marc Ronick: So, and you

mentioned a few of these, but do

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you feel like you've seen, I

mean, being with eCamm and

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working with a lot of video

creators.

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What are some other common fears
that you hear from
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trying to show up on video?
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for people who are brand new are
how they look and sound, so you

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know something about them that
they're, they just, it's an


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uncomfortable feeling, they
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particular way.
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there's like a
particular
image in their head of how they

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want to look to show
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someone else, so
like they've
looked, for example, your

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background mark,
and they're
like, oh, like, you know, like,

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if I can get like a
blue
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this like incredible camera,

then I would feel comfortable.

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Then I would be okay.
So, you
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Myspace kind of fall into that
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they realize it or not.
They're like,
you know, I

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would start with video, but I
don't have the best
camera

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yet.
I can't afford it, or, you know,

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and my lighting
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my space isn't great.

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I'm only in a bedroom, I
don't
have it's a defense mechanism,

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and kind of they're
waiting
for the right moment, but I

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think underlying that is,
is
again like some kind of fear

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that's holding them back.
Either
they know that they

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want to do it, but aren't quite
sure what
they want to say,

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they're worried that, you know,
someone
will think less of

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them, they're worried about the
trolls that
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the comments and say mean
things, you know,
the word

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everyone will show their word,
no one will show all
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different, which we still have,
none of those fears go
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you just learn how to navigate
them, or they become
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important than what you're
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Marc Ronick: Yeah, and I think

that, you know, you mentioned

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the background stuff, and I know

that look, we often encourage

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people and tell them you don't

have to have the coolest

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background in the world, and I

agree with that, and I say that

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all the time, and I do think

that it's fair to say that

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sometimes those little things

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your confidence, if you know

you've got that nice looking

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background behind you, it's one
less thing in your head to

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think about and talk yourself
out of,
right.

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Yeah, yeah, okay, Katie: yeah.
And I think the
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thing I will say about
backgrounds, yeah, actually two

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things.
One is that how fantastic a day

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and age that we
are in that I
feel like people are craving

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humanity and real
people, so I
think in particular that's

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freeing for many people
who
are brand new to this, or who

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are feeling like squishy
about
it, because the more you kind of

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put yourself into your

background and the more you sort

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of allow some of your character
and the things that you really

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enjoy and the pieces of yourself

to be a little bit visible,

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the more you're actually going
to be
able to connect with

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people, which is going to give
you a ton
more confidence.

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So, it's, it is actually kind of
a nice time for
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background, I think, plays a lot
into that.

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So, I
would encourage people,
like, I know it's so easy these

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days to,
like, hit that, like,
blur my background button, or to

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green
screen it, so no one can
see what's behind you, but

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actually,
like, people want to
see what's behind you.

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There's an interest
in what's
in your space, you know.

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It's an inside peek into
your
world.

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So do your best to make it fun
and make it feel
comfortable

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and make it feel like you.
That actually matters
way more

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than the camera and the lights
and all of it is the
points of

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connection, the points of
humanity that people really


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need right now more than ever,
really.

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Marc Ronick: Yeah, I know that

one of the backgrounds I love

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the most, as far as creators

that I follow, and it's nothing

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that special, but Pat Flynn does

a great job.

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He does, and I always lean in
and look to see,
like, okay,

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what does he got there?
Oh, that's cool.

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There's
a Mandalorian helmet,
and you know, like, I get

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excited about
those different
things, and he knows how to play

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to his
audience, and I think
you know those are both him

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showing some
of his
personality and also playing, I

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think, to his
audience as well
at the same time.

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D.R.
Fay: I wanted to mention,
for

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our listeners, you know, Katie's
talking about
backgrounds and

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stuff, and we're watching Katie
in front of all
of her yarn

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creations that she has, so
there's like hundreds of
them,

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all these different little
creatures and stuff.

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So she, she
walks the walk, so
Marc Ronick: that's right.

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And,
dear, did you have a
question, or is that just D.R.

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Fay: I had a question.
So,
do you have like a special

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formula, a trick, a hack that

when you come across people who

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Excuse me, what do you do to
help them get past that hump?

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Katie: Yeah, I wish I could say
that there's like a magic

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bullet or something that makes
it
signal.

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Significantly easier, usually I,
if I can, like, if we
have

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time and space to be able to do
it, I do chat with them a


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little bit to understand, like,
what their goals are, and


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usually, if we can have that
conversation, it's easier to


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help someone understand that,
how important it is to push


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through that, if their goals are
that they're trying to build a


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business, you know, using
podcasting or video, or trying


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to connect with an audience, or
trying to help people, it's a


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shift of it's not actually about
you, so it feels like it's about

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you, because you're on camera,
but it's not about you, it's


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about the people who are
listening and watching on the


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other side, and you are taking
away that connection point by


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not being on camera, in some
ways, like people want to be


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able to see you, they want, you
know, those body cues, they want

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to be able to see what's
behind you, they want to feel

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welcomed,
kind of into your
space.

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People, it's why we always like
look up,
you know, radio

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hosts, we're like, what do they
look like,
right?

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We want to know that.
So, if I can talk with them,

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usually
I can help in that
way.

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If I can't talk with them, what
I
usually say, like in

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situations like this, is one of
the most
important things that

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you can do, if you're at a point
where
you want to try to push

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yourself, is phone a friend,

find your person, so you know,

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your sister, your best friend,

your partner, whatever, phone a

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friend, find a friend, put the

friend with you, as comfortable

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as they're able to, either in

the chat, if you're going to

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live stream in the back space,

so we're here in Riverside right

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now, so like you could put them
in the back space, they don't

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even have to be on camera, but

then you can see their face and

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you can see them spending time

with you, so start doing it with

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someone else, like that made a

huge difference for me, knowing

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that I wasn't by myself and

knowing that there was a safe

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person there that like if I

started to like panic could like

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type a comment and be like

you're doing great, it sounds

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awesome, or like, give me a

thumbs up, and I could see them.

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That even today is still a huge
part of why I'm able to show

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up, is just having someone there
to
be like, oh no, it sounds

425
00:21:52,379 --> 00:21:55,171
great, you know, you're in your
head,
you're worrying about

426
00:21:55,171 --> 00:21:57,886
things that are silly.
So, if you can
start doing

427
00:21:57,886 --> 00:22:01,707
that, whatever format it is, I
would say just
start pushing

428
00:22:01,707 --> 00:22:04,434
yourself.
It could be a recorded video.

429
00:22:04,434 --> 00:22:07,990
Honestly,
live streaming feels
like it is the scariest.

430
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:11,580
It is actually the
easiest,
and it is the fastest way to get

431
00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:13,050
comfortable.
So, if
you can push yourself

432
00:22:13,050 --> 00:22:15,198
right to that, I would go right
there.


433
00:22:15,206 --> 00:22:17,070
But yeah, phone friend, find a
friend.

434
00:22:17,099 --> 00:22:18,800
D.R.
Fay: It sounds just like
it's

435
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,617
out of Ralph's book, because he
has said several
times that he

436
00:22:22,617 --> 00:22:27,119
has one of his vas sitting on
the other side of the
camera

437
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:32,559
and he's talking to her while he
is live streaming, so
it gives

438
00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:36,807
him someone to least bounce off
of some eye contact
with

439
00:22:36,807 --> 00:22:39,119
someone, Marc Ronick: yeah,
yeah, and
Ralph, I, what was

440
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,968
the goal you have for, yeah,
Ralph Estep Jr: and that's one


441
00:22:41,976 --> 00:22:43,360
of the cool things about eCamm,
Katie.

442
00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,330
I actually use eCamm, the

interview screen, and I have my

443
00:22:46,450 --> 00:22:49,510
VA, her name is Abby, and she

joins me every day as I record,

444
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,992
or also when we do the live

stream.

445
00:22:50,992 --> 00:22:54,274
And my goal is to make her
laugh, cry, or sow some


446
00:22:54,282 --> 00:22:56,050
emotion, because I was
struggling.

447
00:22:56,050 --> 00:22:59,206
I've got this 24
inch prompter
people prompter in front of me,

448
00:22:59,206 --> 00:23:00,316
and you talked
about
technology.

449
00:23:00,316 --> 00:23:03,252
I've got a ton of technology
here in my studio,
but it

450
00:23:03,252 --> 00:23:05,868
still wasn't working.
I wasn't connecting, and one of

451
00:23:05,868 --> 00:23:08,430
my
mentors said, 'Hey, why
don't you get somebody to join

452
00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:10,220
you in
the studio?
And I said to my secretary, 'You

453
00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:11,340
want to come sit
in the
studio?

454
00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:13,450
She goes, 'You're boring, I'm
not doing that.

455
00:23:13,450 --> 00:23:17,404
So
then I got my VA to do it,
and it's been a great

456
00:23:17,404 --> 00:23:19,140
relationship.

We record every day, because I

457
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,740
do so many shows, it's

ridiculous, but we record every

458
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,130
day, and I see Abby pop in, and
it's like I'm going to be okay

459
00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:28,700
today, and the days that I can

make her cry in a good way,

460
00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:31,550
that's like my thumbs up days,

like I've accomplished something

461
00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:33,470
today, because I can just

picture, because you know

462
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,570
everybody said, "Well, just

pretend like you're talking to

463
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,540
one person, you know, I even

tried putting pictures in there,

464
00:23:39,050 --> 00:23:41,210
none of that worked for me, but
when I could have somebody like

465
00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:43,630
you're nodding your head, Katie,

when I could have Abby doing

466
00:23:43,660 --> 00:23:46,270
that, nodding your head, it made

all the difference in my

467
00:23:46,510 --> 00:23:48,247
content, and it just made it so
much fun.

468
00:23:48,247 --> 00:23:51,220
I also want to trumpet something
you said, live
streaming has

469
00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:54,352
been the greatest asset that
I've done, because,
and I love

470
00:23:54,352 --> 00:23:57,030
it when nobody shows up, because
then I don't have to
worry at

471
00:23:57,030 --> 00:23:59,449
all, because it's like I look
down at my Stream Deck
and

472
00:23:59,449 --> 00:24:02,208
there's a big one or a two, and
I'm like, okay, two people


473
00:24:02,216 --> 00:24:03,450
here, I guess.
Mom showed up.

474
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:05,880
Now, my mom's passed away, but

somebody has showed up, and I'm

475
00:24:05,910 --> 00:24:08,820
like, I don't worry anymore, but

it does help build that skill

476
00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:10,364
set, Katie.
So, so, thank you
for sharing.

477
00:24:10,364 --> 00:24:12,300
I think that is a real winning
idea.

478
00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:14,905
Katie: Yeah, it helps.
It helps
in a few different

479
00:24:14,905 --> 00:24:16,811
ways that maybe people don't
even fully
appreciate.

480
00:24:16,811 --> 00:24:19,861
So, it certainly helps you kind
of put in the
reps and

481
00:24:19,861 --> 00:24:23,559
practice, you know, just being
on camera, it's
higher stakes

482
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:26,307
because someone slash anyone
could show up,
whether they

483
00:24:26,307 --> 00:24:31,096
show up live or they show up in
the replay, and
it also helps

484
00:24:31,096 --> 00:24:35,321
you understand and learn how to
use all of your
gear and learn

485
00:24:35,321 --> 00:24:38,980
what to do, not if but when
something goes
wrong, so if

486
00:24:38,980 --> 00:24:42,906
the, you know, internet goes
down, or a light
goes out, or

487
00:24:42,906 --> 00:24:46,899
all of those different things.
I learned how
to navigate

488
00:24:46,899 --> 00:24:50,067
those situations, troubleshoot
them, create
appropriate

489
00:24:50,067 --> 00:24:55,041
backups by failing publicly in
front of people, and
it stinks

490
00:24:55,041 --> 00:24:57,865
for the first few times that it
happens to you.

491
00:24:57,865 --> 00:24:59,905
It
even doesn't feel great now
when it happens.

492
00:24:59,905 --> 00:25:03,192
It, I now am able to
laugh it
off, remain calm, and understand

493
00:25:03,192 --> 00:25:05,639
what happened, and be
able to
solve it in the moment.

494
00:25:05,729 --> 00:25:08,399
I wouldn't have learned that, or

been able to do that, if I

495
00:25:08,579 --> 00:25:10,509
didn't put myself into the

situation live.

496
00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:13,664
Like, if I had spent time just
recording, I
would have been

497
00:25:13,664 --> 00:25:15,639
like, "Well, I'm going to toss
that recording
out, and I'll

498
00:25:15,639 --> 00:25:17,149
do it again, and it would have
been..

499
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:19,727
I would
have gotten there to
the end result that I needed,

500
00:25:19,727 --> 00:25:22,387
but I
wouldn't have learned
the skill, and I wouldn't have

501
00:25:22,387 --> 00:25:25,621
learned how
to navigate all of
it, not just the tech, but you

502
00:25:25,621 --> 00:25:28,129
know how it
affects me
personally, how to remain calm,

503
00:25:28,129 --> 00:25:31,099
how to work my way
through it,
and it's always something, it's

504
00:25:31,099 --> 00:25:33,289
always a cable,
it's always
some weird thing that happens,

505
00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:35,647
no matter how
expensive your
gear equipment is.

506
00:25:35,647 --> 00:25:37,969
In fact, probably more often

the more expensive and

507
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:39,649
complicated your gear Marc
Ronick: is.

508
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:42,805
Katie: Unfortunately, Marc
Ronick: Katie, let's see,


509
00:25:42,813 --> 00:25:45,688
we've got a couple people I
know, BC Babbles, and also, by


510
00:25:45,696 --> 00:25:48,694
the way, Matt Bliss has joined
us here on the virtual stage.


511
00:25:48,702 --> 00:25:52,408
I'm going to go to you in a
second, BC, but one of our


512
00:25:52,416 --> 00:25:55,030
community members is up on the
stage as well.

513
00:25:55,030 --> 00:25:57,814
I want to go
there first.
Gabe, good morning to you, sir.

514
00:25:57,814 --> 00:25:59,200
Did you have a
question for
Katie?

515
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,106
Gabe: Yeah, might be a little

loud, sorry.

516
00:26:02,106 --> 00:26:04,092
I'm driving.
Katie, have you seen much

517
00:26:04,092 --> 00:26:07,092
difference
when it comes to
podcasting when you, after you

518
00:26:07,092 --> 00:26:10,480
guys introduce,
like, the
vertical and the portrait live

519
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,320
streaming?
Because
I know a lot of live,

520
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,418
excuse me, a lot of podcasters
create video
podcasts and they

521
00:26:15,418 --> 00:26:18,540
use the portrait landscape for
their
clips and stuff.

522
00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:22,442
So have you seen it, either an
increase, or
how you know it

523
00:26:22,442 --> 00:26:23,960
shifted.
How maybe podcasters decide

524
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,480
whether
or not to use a
software like eCamm.

525
00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:28,327
Katie: Oh my gosh, that's a

great question.

526
00:26:28,327 --> 00:26:30,715
So, for those who don't know,
and hi Gabe, by
the way, it's

527
00:26:30,715 --> 00:26:33,589
so good to hear from you.
It's if, for those who
don't

528
00:26:33,589 --> 00:26:36,649
know, so eCamm has, and I think
most of most tools these
days

529
00:26:36,649 --> 00:26:40,484
have this feature, but you can
basically create a wide or


530
00:26:40,492 --> 00:26:45,124
horizontal video feed, and a
vertical version of that feed


531
00:26:45,132 --> 00:26:48,437
simultaneously, and with eCamm,
you can fully design it, so your

532
00:26:48,437 --> 00:26:51,499

vertical feed might look
completely different than your


533
00:26:51,507 --> 00:26:54,865
horizontal feed, but you can
stream them simultaneously, and

534
00:26:54,865 --> 00:26:57,819
you can record them
simultaneously, so you sort of


535
00:26:57,827 --> 00:27:01,503
end your recording process with
every conceivable type of file


536
00:27:01,511 --> 00:27:05,017
that you need in order to put it
into all the different places or

537
00:27:05,017 --> 00:27:07,997

edit it or use it in any
different way, and in answer to

538
00:27:07,997 --> 00:27:11,375
your question, Gabe, yes, I do
think it's going to continue to

539
00:27:11,375 --> 00:27:15,269
be a really hugely fundamental
part of content creation,


540
00:27:15,277 --> 00:27:18,924
podcasting, live streaming,
because it does a couple


541
00:27:18,932 --> 00:27:21,964
different things, one, if you
are leveraging streaming in


542
00:27:21,972 --> 00:27:25,179
vertical, I think from a
discoverability standpoint it's

543
00:27:25,179 --> 00:27:29,164
getting your content out in
front of a much, much wider


544
00:27:29,172 --> 00:27:31,367
audience.
And the second thing, which I

545
00:27:31,367 --> 00:27:34,300
think is equally
important, is
that because you're able to

546
00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:37,720
actually design
in vertical
the exact way that you want that

547
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,435
video to look,
it's saving a
ton of time in clipping and post

548
00:27:42,435 --> 00:27:46,025
production
work, which for me
was life changing, because I'm a

549
00:27:46,025 --> 00:27:48,648
terrible
editor, so I don't
have that time to spend.

550
00:27:48,648 --> 00:27:51,129
It's never gonna
look great,
because I'm just not good at it,

551
00:27:51,129 --> 00:27:54,421
and I don't have the
budget
for my personal shows to send

552
00:27:54,421 --> 00:27:56,045
that out to an editor right

now.

553
00:27:56,045 --> 00:27:59,855
So, for me, I used to take my
wide horizontal full video
for

554
00:27:59,855 --> 00:28:03,203
the VHS club, for example, I
would drop it into Opus, and


555
00:28:03,211 --> 00:28:05,585
then it would give me a whole
bunch of different clips, which

556
00:28:05,585 --> 00:28:07,345
are great.
They were all the right clips,

557
00:28:07,345 --> 00:28:10,418
they were helping
to kind of
grow my audience, build my build

558
00:28:10,418 --> 00:28:13,355
my community, but
they never
quite looked right, like they

559
00:28:13,355 --> 00:28:16,900
would always, Opus
would
always like pull in the, the

560
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:19,593
movie box that we had shown
as
like a person, so it'd be like

561
00:28:19,593 --> 00:28:22,566
me talking, but it would
just
be like the VHS box on screen,

562
00:28:22,566 --> 00:28:25,348
and that wasn't
obviously
ideal, so I would spend a bunch

563
00:28:25,348 --> 00:28:27,931
of time kind of
tinkering away
to get them to look the way I

564
00:28:27,931 --> 00:28:30,259
wanted them to
look, whereas
now, because I'm recording in

565
00:28:30,259 --> 00:28:33,959
vertical, I can
just drop that
in, and then it uses AI to clip

566
00:28:33,959 --> 00:28:36,828
the exact right
special
moments, so now they look

567
00:28:36,828 --> 00:28:39,949
exactly the way that I want

them to, I get like 20 or so per

568
00:28:40,069 --> 00:28:43,149
episode, it's just done, and

honestly, I'm getting to the

569
00:28:43,239 --> 00:28:46,809
point where I might not even

need Opus as much anymore.

570
00:28:47,499 --> 00:28:50,589
Sorry, Opus friends, because I

can just hit like the M button

571
00:28:50,709 --> 00:28:53,739
on my computer every time I know

a moment happens while I'm

572
00:28:53,829 --> 00:28:56,919
recording, and then I'll have

all of those markers in Ecamm to

573
00:28:56,949 --> 00:28:58,694
say, like, okay, I'm gonna clip
that, I'm gonna clip that, and

574
00:28:58,694 --> 00:29:01,799
I can clip even in, I mean,

honestly, like, in the most

575
00:29:01,889 --> 00:29:04,979
simple of software, is like I

can cut up a video in QuickTime

576
00:29:05,099 --> 00:29:08,482
without having any skill set, so

it's, I think, it's getting

577
00:29:08,482 --> 00:29:12,038
it's helping to broaden our
reach,
but it's also helping

578
00:29:12,038 --> 00:29:15,333
to simplify our process while
still
delivering the best

579
00:29:15,333 --> 00:29:18,121
possible content.
So now my whole goal is
just

580
00:29:18,121 --> 00:29:20,761
to focus entirely on delivering
the best possible
episode,

581
00:29:20,761 --> 00:29:23,977
because I know that when I do
that, AI can help me
with

582
00:29:23,977 --> 00:29:26,049
getting it out in front of the
right people.

583
00:29:26,049 --> 00:29:28,645
So, I, for me,
it's just like
create the best possible

584
00:29:28,645 --> 00:29:31,789
episode, focus on the
content,
the time I'm actually spending

585
00:29:31,789 --> 00:29:35,419
recording, and the rest
of it
is wizardry and magic from

586
00:29:35,479 --> 00:29:37,033
robots.
It goes a long way.

587
00:29:37,033 --> 00:29:39,411
So,
yeah, it's a great
feature, and I use it all.

588
00:29:39,411 --> 00:29:41,117
I didn't think I
would use it
as much as I do.

589
00:29:41,117 --> 00:29:43,209
I use it all the time for every
single thing.

590
00:29:43,209 --> 00:29:45,099
I'm always recording or
streaming, or both,
in

591
00:29:45,099 --> 00:29:47,469
vertical as well.
Marc Ronick: My one question


592
00:29:47,477 --> 00:29:50,427
about that is, so if it's doing
it simultaneously, does that


593
00:29:50,435 --> 00:29:56,169
mean if I'm using the eCamm
software I'm actually looking at

594
00:29:56,169 --> 00:29:59,805

two different types of
content, horizontal?

595
00:29:59,805 --> 00:30:02,489
And vertical, and am
I
switching them separately,

596
00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:06,570
Katie: so you are, you have a

view where you see both the

597
00:30:07,770 --> 00:30:11,820
horizontal and the vertical side

by side, but you, you are

598
00:30:12,030 --> 00:30:15,000
building, so eCamm works, it has

this functionality where you

599
00:30:15,060 --> 00:30:18,300
build out a profile, which is

like equivalent to a show, and

600
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:21,440
then within the profile you have

scenes that you flow through

601
00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:23,720
when you're actually live

streaming or recording, and so

602
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:26,570
you can build all of those out

in advance, so that when you're

603
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:29,930
switching, it's switching both

of them at the same time, but

604
00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:34,010
again, the vertical may look

completely different, so for the

605
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:37,010
VHS club, for example, I have

this like very kind of like

606
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,360
branded side by side shot, and

sometimes, as I said, you know,

607
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,750
one or two, or even more guests
on, whereas in the vertical

608
00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:47,574
these days I actually have been
making that more camera

609
00:30:47,574 --> 00:30:49,780
focused, because the graphics I
don't
think matter as much,

610
00:30:49,780 --> 00:30:52,160
and I don't have as much, you
know,
real estate in that

611
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,650
space, so you know that might be
I use
Zoom active camera, so

612
00:30:55,650 --> 00:30:58,210
then it actually just switches
the
cameras automatically for

613
00:30:58,210 --> 00:31:00,954
me, and I don't have to even
think
about it, so yes to

614
00:31:00,954 --> 00:31:04,397
being able to see everything at
once, but
no, it's all set up

615
00:31:04,397 --> 00:31:07,575
so that you're switching once
you're
recording once, and

616
00:31:07,575 --> 00:31:09,478
everything is just doing what
it's supposed
to do, so you

617
00:31:09,478 --> 00:31:11,930
don't need to be worried about,
like, oh shoot,
I've got to

618
00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:14,538
move over into the next scene
for vertical, it's
all

619
00:31:14,538 --> 00:31:17,735
automated and makes it really
easy for you to do that, Marc

620
00:31:17,735 --> 00:31:20,090
Ronick: cool, and for what

it's worth, John over in the

621
00:31:20,270 --> 00:31:24,710
YouTube chat, says one of my

eCamm wish list items is to have

622
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,255
a producer option where I can

give control to a producer.

623
00:31:29,255 --> 00:31:31,160
Is that something that you guys
are
thinking about?

624
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,629
Katie: It's been on the list for

a while.

625
00:31:33,629 --> 00:31:36,280
It's slightly more complicated
than it would be for
a web

626
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,350
tool like what we are having
here, because a web tool,


627
00:31:39,358 --> 00:31:42,970
anyone is able to like look up
the website and have a separate

628
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:45,082
login.
Ecamm is a desktop application

629
00:31:45,082 --> 00:31:49,026
that you're
installing on your
computer, so the ability to sort

630
00:31:49,026 --> 00:31:52,759
of allow
someone else access
to software that's on your

631
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:54,460
computer is just
a little bit
more complicated.

632
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,260
It is possible in that we do

have a full integration with

633
00:31:59,350 --> 00:32:02,040
Zoom, and then we also, and I

think Ralph, you were saying

634
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:05,100
this earlier, but we also have

what's called an interview mode,

635
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:07,560
which allows people to connect

remotely through a landing page,

636
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,340
so it's possible, but we want to

do it the right way, and

637
00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:13,470
obviously make sure that we're

protecting everyone's privacy

638
00:32:13,530 --> 00:32:16,290
and security, and and making it
as good as an experience as

639
00:32:16,350 --> 00:32:18,810
possible, but it is, I guess I

would say, somewhat of a

640
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:22,430
limitation of a desktop software

is that it, because you own

641
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,780
everything, and it's sitting on
your computer.

642
00:32:23,780 --> 00:32:26,174
It just makes it harder for us
to be able to help
grant

643
00:32:26,174 --> 00:32:28,201
access.
Marc Ronick: Makes sense.

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654
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it, my friend.

655
00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:06,840
BC Babbles: Yeah, good morning

everyone, and I've been trying

656
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,060
to think if I've had to

revaluate, reevaluate the

657
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,210
question because we've kind of

tapped around it, but I don't

658
00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:14,100
think we've quite hit it quite

on the head.

659
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:18,255
So my question is, when it comes
to working with
new video

660
00:33:18,255 --> 00:33:21,065
creators who have scripted
content, I know I've
got

661
00:33:21,065 --> 00:33:24,701
segments of my own content that
are very scripted, lots of


662
00:33:24,709 --> 00:33:27,695
information, and they're
concerned about whether or not


663
00:33:27,703 --> 00:33:30,945
they're going to make enough eye
contact with the camera, but


664
00:33:30,953 --> 00:33:33,626
they don't want to make it
obvious that they're visually


665
00:33:33,634 --> 00:33:36,704
jumping back and forth from the
camera lens to the script,


666
00:33:36,712 --> 00:33:39,498
because they want to make sure
that they're, you know, they're

667
00:33:39,498 --> 00:33:41,438
hitting their mark, they're
getting the information out,


668
00:33:41,446 --> 00:33:44,465
they want to sound clear and at
least have a flow, but they


669
00:33:44,473 --> 00:33:47,740
don't want the audience, at
least on the video end, to


670
00:33:47,748 --> 00:33:50,545
notice that, oh, they're reading
something that's gonna, and that

671
00:33:50,545 --> 00:33:52,224

might cause some kind of
disconnect.

672
00:33:52,224 --> 00:33:55,163
So, what are your
thoughts
when you have a new video

673
00:33:55,163 --> 00:33:57,040
creator who has that

particular concern?

674
00:33:57,820 --> 00:33:59,644
Katie: I have a couple different

thoughts on that.

675
00:33:59,644 --> 00:34:04,279
I think first off, it's not as
important as it
seems to

676
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:08,420
glance down at your script.
In fact, so, and this
depends

677
00:34:08,420 --> 00:34:11,690
on whether or not, obviously,
you're recording
something and

678
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:14,550
making like a quote unquote kind
of more
polished video, or

679
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:16,775
you're live streaming.
I would say, if
you're live

680
00:34:16,775 --> 00:34:18,326
streaming, it's not important
really at all.

681
00:34:18,326 --> 00:34:20,994
Like,
you want to be able to
make eye contact as much as you

682
00:34:20,994 --> 00:34:23,114
can, but
I think it's
absolutely fine to glance down.

683
00:34:23,114 --> 00:34:25,862
I'm looking at you,
I'm back
up at my camera, and that's just

684
00:34:25,862 --> 00:34:27,670
a matter of practice
to get
good at that.

685
00:34:27,670 --> 00:34:30,547
There are some tools that you
can use to
make a lot of that

686
00:34:30,547 --> 00:34:32,810
easier.
So, obviously, you can have a


687
00:34:32,818 --> 00:34:35,395
teleprompter, you can leverage a
lot of our customers will


688
00:34:35,402 --> 00:34:37,715
leverage a Stream Deck, so that
they actually don't need to look

689
00:34:37,715 --> 00:34:39,159

down.
They have tactile buttons they

690
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,469
can press that trigger

actions, flow through the

691
00:34:41,590 --> 00:34:45,400
content, pause, unpause, mute,

unmute, those kinds of things

692
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:47,650
that makes it a little bit

easier and save some of that

693
00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:49,772
time.
So, I would say it, while
it's

694
00:34:49,772 --> 00:34:52,094
important, it's not as important
as it seems.

695
00:34:52,094 --> 00:34:54,987
So, I
would focus more on
delivering the best possible

696
00:34:54,987 --> 00:34:57,656
content and
being real and
caring about your audience than

697
00:34:57,656 --> 00:34:59,873
you do about being
perfect and
about getting.

698
00:34:59,873 --> 00:35:02,735
The script out exactly the way
that
you want it to, but if

699
00:35:02,735 --> 00:35:06,450
you really like, if it really,

really matters on having it like

700
00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:09,390
exactly as it is scripted, then
I would say having a

701
00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:12,870
teleprompter goes a really long
way, and at least within eCamm,

702
00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:15,330
and I'm sure other softwares as
well, you have the ability to

703
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,740
just record and you can pause

and unpause, and there is also

704
00:35:19,950 --> 00:35:22,489
what I've found for myself, and
I will be the first to say, I

705
00:35:22,489 --> 00:35:25,580
am way less confident and

comfortable when I record

706
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,300
videos.
I still like doubt
myself, and

707
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,924
there's something about because
when you're live,
you just

708
00:35:30,924 --> 00:35:33,488
have to push through.
If I say the wrong thing here,


709
00:35:33,496 --> 00:35:35,810
that's kind of too bad.
We're just gonna hit you, Marc

710
00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:36,800
Ronick: can't overthink Katie:
it.

711
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,984
Yeah, I can't
overthink it.
Yeah, I have to keep moving,

712
00:35:38,984 --> 00:35:42,073
whereas when I
record, I have
the ability to hit that pause

713
00:35:42,073 --> 00:35:44,060
button.
I do a
lot of this where I

714
00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:46,609
just lean into my microphone.
I'm like, I
can't believe I

715
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:49,485
said that.
That was my script, said so.

716
00:35:49,485 --> 00:35:55,114
But I
will say that I have
started using visual cues, or

717
00:35:55,114 --> 00:35:58,350
even
written cues.
So now these days I will

718
00:35:58,350 --> 00:36:01,396
actually produce a
recorded
video as if I was creating a

719
00:36:01,396 --> 00:36:04,449
presentation, but try
to make
it a little bit more visually

720
00:36:04,449 --> 00:36:09,045
interesting, and those
cues
help me stay on track with my

721
00:36:09,045 --> 00:36:11,730
script without actually
having
to have the script in front of

722
00:36:11,730 --> 00:36:14,970
me, so you know, maybe
I'm
doing a presentation on camera

723
00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:17,970
confidence, and I want to

share my paint night story,

724
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:21,150
maybe I will put, like, a little

photo of, like, the Paint

725
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:23,702
Night logo up on screen, and
that will
be, like, okay,

726
00:36:23,702 --> 00:36:25,265
right?
That was where I was going to

727
00:36:25,265 --> 00:36:26,750
share that.

And if I have those scenes in

728
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:30,050
order, I can also label them in
eCamm, so I can lay it out as

729
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:32,830
if I was laying out a PowerPoint
or
Keynote presentation, and

730
00:36:32,830 --> 00:36:36,963
that helps me remember it quick
and
easy, a lot easier than

731
00:36:36,963 --> 00:36:39,848
bulleted lists, a lot easier
than a
script, and help me to

732
00:36:39,848 --> 00:36:41,992
flow through the content, so
that
that is what I do.

733
00:36:41,992 --> 00:36:45,088
It's not for everyone.
I've just been pushing
myself

734
00:36:45,088 --> 00:36:48,415
to be I listen.
I started as a writer, as I

735
00:36:48,415 --> 00:36:49,780
said, so I
want to write
everything out.

736
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,530
I'm way better at writing it

than I am at speaking on the

737
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,640
cuff, but I think it actually

comes out better when I work

738
00:36:57,820 --> 00:37:00,720
through the content and spend

the time practicing, and then

739
00:37:00,810 --> 00:37:03,750
put the script aside, put the

notes aside, and just focus on

740
00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:06,672
doing my best to deliver it, and

at some point it's good

741
00:37:06,672 --> 00:37:09,186
enough, and I'd rather get the
content
out there and help

742
00:37:09,186 --> 00:37:11,820
people than kind of sit and
spend all of
that time trying

743
00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:14,160
to get it perfect.
So it's a great
question,

744
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,540
though, something people, yeah,
a lot.

745
00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:17,982
BC Babbles: I love that.
Marc Ronick: It also goes back


746
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:21,416
to, yeah, just being, yeah,
being confident and being


747
00:37:21,424 --> 00:37:24,150
relatable, right?
Like, you know, instead of being

748
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:27,180
so tied
to that script and
just working through it, like

749
00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:30,434
you said on the
fly, I think
really helps you connect with an

750
00:37:30,434 --> 00:37:32,698
audience, for
sure.
Dar, you had something, and then

751
00:37:32,698 --> 00:37:34,040
we're going to go to
Ralph.
D.R.

752
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,730
Fay: Yeah, I want to roll
it
back just a little bit and ask

753
00:37:36,730 --> 00:37:40,730
some fundamental questions

about eCamm for our listeners

754
00:37:40,850 --> 00:37:44,801
who are brand new to podcasting,

sometimes we forget that some

755
00:37:44,801 --> 00:37:48,760
we get listeners that are maybe
even thinking about podcasting,

756
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:50,440
haven't even approached it yet.


757
00:37:50,448 --> 00:37:54,695
So, when we talk about live
streaming, eCamm gets mentioned,

758
00:37:54,695 --> 00:37:59,642

along with Riverside, what
we're on right now, it gets

759
00:37:59,642 --> 00:38:03,420
mentioned
with a squad cast,
is squad cast, what's the one

760
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:05,130
that
Descript has?
Katie: Yeah, I think it's squad

761
00:38:05,339 --> 00:38:06,194
D.R.
Fay: cast.

762
00:38:06,194 --> 00:38:09,229
Yeah, okay, so
it gets
mentioned with all of those.

763
00:38:09,229 --> 00:38:14,009
Are they oranges to
oranges,
or is do they have differences,

764
00:38:14,009 --> 00:38:16,920
or what?
Katie: That's a great question.

765
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,210

Thank you so much for asking

766
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,193
that, because they are actually
quite different.

767
00:38:20,193 --> 00:38:23,014
They can accomplish the same
thing, which
is why they come

768
00:38:23,014 --> 00:38:26,972
up in conversation.
Ecamm is probably
closest to

769
00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:32,010
an OBS, which is, which is a
free open source
application.

770
00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:35,864
It is software that you are
installing on your
computer,

771
00:38:35,864 --> 00:38:40,625
and it is traditional video
production software that
is

772
00:38:40,625 --> 00:38:45,558
structured for a live streaming
first workflow, so you
can use

773
00:38:45,558 --> 00:38:48,967
it to go live, multi-stream, do
kind of
everything within the

774
00:38:48,967 --> 00:38:53,120
live streaming space, but you
can
also use it to record

775
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,319
videos and to run like pretty
large TV
quality broadcasts,

776
00:38:57,319 --> 00:39:00,555
but it is not initially created.
I guess.


777
00:39:00,563 --> 00:39:04,836
What I would say is like a
web-based solution, like a


778
00:39:04,844 --> 00:39:08,022
Riverside, like a Stream Yard, a
Restream Squad Cast.

779
00:39:08,022 --> 00:39:11,106
Some of
these other ones that,
that you mentioned, they are

780
00:39:11,106 --> 00:39:15,288
really meant
for like brand
new beginners to be able to get

781
00:39:15,288 --> 00:39:16,617
up and running
with their
tools.

782
00:39:16,617 --> 00:39:19,530
They allow for really easy
collaboration, and
it's, you

783
00:39:19,530 --> 00:39:21,914
know, anyone can kind of pick
them up and use them.


784
00:39:21,922 --> 00:39:23,939
They have a lot of templates
built into them.

785
00:39:23,939 --> 00:39:28,296
Ecamm has a
higher learning
curve, but grows up with you a

786
00:39:28,296 --> 00:39:32,336
lot more, so you
can do a lot
more with it than a lot of those

787
00:39:32,336 --> 00:39:35,144
softwares, and the
production
quality is much higher because

788
00:39:35,144 --> 00:39:38,448
it's not
web-based, so it's
not relying on the internet in

789
00:39:38,448 --> 00:39:41,596
order to
create video.
So, I think that's probably the

790
00:39:41,596 --> 00:39:44,400
best way to explain
it, so
it's not like if you are brand

791
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,592
new, you might open up
eCamm
and be like, whoa, it might feel

792
00:39:48,592 --> 00:39:50,996
like a lot, and take
a little
bit of time to kind of work your

793
00:39:50,996 --> 00:39:53,413
way through it, or
remember
what it is you signed up for to

794
00:39:53,413 --> 00:39:56,170
accomplish within it,
whereas
I think if you open up a

795
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:58,630
Riverside, it's a lot more like,

oh, okay, I'm here to record a

796
00:39:58,690 --> 00:40:01,543
podcast, because you can.
Does
all the different things,

797
00:40:01,543 --> 00:40:04,520
you sort of have to know what
you
want to do with it, and

798
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,810
turn off everything else until
you're
ready for it, D.R.

799
00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:08,970
Fay: right?
Just one more
question for the

800
00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:15,178
newer podcasts, podcasters out
there, eCamm is
native to Mac,

801
00:40:15,178 --> 00:40:21,618
Apple Mac, right, and there's no
plans of drifting
into PC at

802
00:40:21,618 --> 00:40:25,127
all, right?
Katie: We, how many times do you

803
00:40:25,127 --> 00:40:27,972

get that question?
I used to be.. it's so funny

804
00:40:27,972 --> 00:40:30,836
when I first
started, I was
like, well, this doesn't make

805
00:40:30,836 --> 00:40:33,500
any sense, like you
know,
maybe maybe I can talk them into

806
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:35,844
doing something
different.
This is kind of a logical come

807
00:40:35,844 --> 00:40:38,698
on, guys, like you
know,
there's whole PC market out

808
00:40:38,698 --> 00:40:40,655
there who want to be able to

use this.

809
00:40:40,655 --> 00:40:44,904
The reality is I spent more time
with the team is that
this app

810
00:40:44,904 --> 00:40:47,851
was intentionally designed to
leverage everything
about the

811
00:40:47,851 --> 00:40:50,780
Mac, so unfortunately it's not
as easy as just pushing
a

812
00:40:50,780 --> 00:40:53,482
button and switching something
over, or hiring a PC developer


813
00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:57,705
to be able to make it work.
It works so powerfully and so


814
00:40:57,713 --> 00:41:00,382
beautifully because literally
every aspect of it is designed


815
00:41:00,390 --> 00:41:02,832
to work off of these Mac
computers, that's why it


816
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,368
doesn't, at the moment, work on
an iPad or is not a mobile


817
00:41:06,376 --> 00:41:08,647
device.
It's meant to be like powerful

818
00:41:08,647 --> 00:41:12,480
video production
software that
is using all of the power of

819
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,640
your Mac computer.

So, as much as I wish it was as

820
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:16,995
easy as just kind of switching

over, it's not.

821
00:41:16,995 --> 00:41:20,046
And that's again like why it is
very different
than a

822
00:41:20,046 --> 00:41:23,018
web-based tool, which can work,
you know, agnostic of any


823
00:41:23,026 --> 00:41:26,000
different platform.
The one thing I will say is that

824
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,260
you,
well, two things.
One, it's actually really

825
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:31,184
affordable to
get a Mac these
days, so I would say switching

826
00:41:31,184 --> 00:41:34,196
over and having a
dedicated
machine for video production is

827
00:41:34,196 --> 00:41:37,358
a good best
practice.
Anyway, so if you're serious

828
00:41:37,358 --> 00:41:39,950
about this, having,
like,
having a machine that is

829
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:42,250
dedicated to this, at least to

some extent, is really

830
00:41:42,310 --> 00:41:45,910
important, and also, there, you
know, there are lots of other

831
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:47,616
great tools out there.
So, if
you're just getting

832
00:41:47,616 --> 00:41:50,304
started, and you're like, "Wait
a sec, Katie,
I can't buy a

833
00:41:50,304 --> 00:41:52,992
brand new Mac and a camera and
all this different
stuff, you

834
00:41:52,992 --> 00:41:54,837
don't have to.
You can start really simply.

835
00:41:54,837 --> 00:41:56,721
You can
start with these
softwares are great.

836
00:41:56,721 --> 00:41:58,930
We're in Riverside right
now.
It's an awesome piece of

837
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,810
software.
So, it, it depends on
what

838
00:42:00,810 --> 00:42:03,552
your goals are.
Ecamm is there for fairly high

839
00:42:03,552 --> 00:42:07,126
level
video production, so you
know you can use it for these

840
00:42:07,126 --> 00:42:10,185
easy
productions, but it is
going to offer you much more in

841
00:42:10,185 --> 00:42:12,798
the long
term, so you just
might not be ready for it at

842
00:42:12,798 --> 00:42:14,040
this point,
which is
completely fine.

843
00:42:14,820 --> 00:42:16,490
Marc Ronick: Cool.
All right, I
think Ralph, you

844
00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:18,288
had something.
Ralph Estep Jr: Yeah, and I


845
00:42:18,296 --> 00:42:20,054
jumped into eCamm at the front
end, Katie, because I just


846
00:42:20,062 --> 00:42:22,135
figured I'm going to cross this
bridge, because that's where I


847
00:42:22,143 --> 00:42:23,444
want to end up.
So, I just..

848
00:42:23,444 --> 00:42:25,412
I was all in.
My friend and Jeff
C, who's

849
00:42:25,412 --> 00:42:27,617
going to be on the show here in
a couple weeks, he
really

850
00:42:27,617 --> 00:42:30,022
helped me a lot with that too.
But I want to go into the


851
00:42:30,030 --> 00:42:31,529
next..
I want to pivot a little bit

852
00:42:31,529 --> 00:42:33,604
here on the show.
I talk
about all the time that

853
00:42:33,604 --> 00:42:37,606
I think the future is video, and
so for
the audio podcast

854
00:42:37,606 --> 00:42:41,498
that's adding video right now,
what do you see
that needs to

855
00:42:41,498 --> 00:42:42,970
change first before they hit
record?

856
00:42:42,970 --> 00:42:45,352
What
should they start to do
as they think about

857
00:42:45,352 --> 00:42:48,780
transitioning to
video?
Katie: Transitioning is can be


858
00:42:48,788 --> 00:42:51,048
really, really difficult,
particularly if you've been


859
00:42:51,056 --> 00:42:53,582
doing an audio-only podcast for
a really long time.

860
00:42:53,582 --> 00:42:56,182
I think this
is what's like
difficult for people to get

861
00:42:56,182 --> 00:43:00,706
their head around,
and I feel
like a lot of folks are in a

862
00:43:00,706 --> 00:43:04,182
space where they're
like they
feel this intense pressure to

863
00:43:04,182 --> 00:43:09,222
make their audio
podcast have
video, so they're like, okay,

864
00:43:09,222 --> 00:43:12,166
well, anything that
I can do
to, like, you know, go back in

865
00:43:12,166 --> 00:43:15,510
my old catalog and like
turn
these audio episodes into video,

866
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:17,400
or like, how do I do it
going
forward?

867
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,602
I actually don't think that
that's the best
approach,

868
00:43:19,602 --> 00:43:23,222
like, if you've spent all of
this time building an


869
00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:26,292
audio-only show, you have a
listenership audience.

870
00:43:26,292 --> 00:43:29,660
I
actually think starting to
approach it a little bit


871
00:43:29,668 --> 00:43:34,790
differently is a better option.
I would say add in video


872
00:43:34,798 --> 00:43:38,635
elements, experiences, moments
that can delight your existing


873
00:43:38,643 --> 00:43:42,010
listenership, but start getting
your content out in front of a


874
00:43:42,018 --> 00:43:44,610
new audience, so this could be
like, hey, we're doing, you


875
00:43:44,618 --> 00:43:48,362
know, for Nat, and I, if we had
had an audio-only podcast for


876
00:43:48,370 --> 00:43:52,342
the VHS club, what I would do to
get into video would be like,


877
00:43:52,350 --> 00:43:55,648
hey, we're gonna do, you know, a
movie night, like, come on in,


878
00:43:55,656 --> 00:43:58,798
or, you know, we're gonna, you
know, set it all up, we're gonna

879
00:43:58,798 --> 00:44:01,130

be in our pajamas, we're
gonna, you know, have the like

880
00:44:01,130 --> 00:44:03,866
create
it, so it feels like a
special experience, and not just

881
00:44:03,866 --> 00:44:07,080
one of
your regular episodes.
To start playing around with how

882
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,800
you want
to show up on camera,
what that looks like, what that

883
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,256
experience
is like.
I would do that first, instead

884
00:44:14,256 --> 00:44:17,140
of kind of thinking
about how
to replicate your entire

885
00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:20,840
catalog, because that is

daunting, and I don't think you,

886
00:44:21,260 --> 00:44:23,420
I don't think you need to, I

think you need to figure out how

887
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,540
you want to show up on video,

and it might be the same, maybe

888
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:28,430
you know, maybe you do

transition your episodes over,

889
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:32,210
it might be different, some of

my favorite shows are audio

890
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,080
only, but they do a monthly

episode that's video, or they

891
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:39,530
do, you know, a special

experience where it's a live Q

892
00:44:39,590 --> 00:44:41,470
and A with the host, and you

actually get to come in and

893
00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:43,744
spend time with them, and that's

fine.

894
00:44:43,744 --> 00:44:46,585
They're still in those spaces,
they're still growing in


895
00:44:46,593 --> 00:44:48,760
different ways, and I think
that's okay.

896
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,280
It's figuring out
where you
want to be.

897
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,079
If you're brand new, I would
say, and you
don't have to

898
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,738
kind of worry about a back
catalog, I would
definitely

899
00:44:56,738 --> 00:44:59,660
start with video for a few
different reasons, but I.


900
00:44:59,668 --> 00:45:02,595
Asking a lot of someone,
particularly folks who have, you

901
00:45:02,595 --> 00:45:05,727

know, hundreds of episodes, to
be like, "Well, you need to make

902
00:45:05,727 --> 00:45:08,485

this big switch all over, and
it's asking a lot of that


903
00:45:08,493 --> 00:45:10,257
audience as well.
They're used to spending time

904
00:45:10,257 --> 00:45:13,406
with you in an
audio way, and
they may not want to switch

905
00:45:13,406 --> 00:45:15,069
over.
There are lots
of shows I just

906
00:45:15,069 --> 00:45:17,550
listened to, and I love
listening to that, and
maybe I

907
00:45:17,550 --> 00:45:20,964
catch, you know, an episode here
or there on my TV
in the

908
00:45:20,964 --> 00:45:23,900
evening, and I'm watching them,
but I'm like, I've
connected

909
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:26,450
with them in an audio space, and
I think that's fine.

910
00:45:27,259 --> 00:45:30,166
Marc Ronick: Cool.
Well, I'm
curious, then if

911
00:45:30,166 --> 00:45:34,723
someone's trying to prioritize
their video
setup well, what

912
00:45:34,723 --> 00:45:38,089
matters most early on?
Do you think it's..


913
00:45:38,097 --> 00:45:41,579
I'll give you examples, like the
lighting, the frame, the


914
00:45:41,587 --> 00:45:44,924
framing, is it the microphone,
the sound quality, camera


915
00:45:44,932 --> 00:45:48,274
quality, or is it confidence?
Like, where, what do you think


916
00:45:48,282 --> 00:45:51,280
the things to prioritize first?
Katie: Oh, okay.

917
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,226
Well, if you're
gonna throw
non, non-tech stuff in there,

918
00:45:54,226 --> 00:45:56,890
then yes, I would say

confidence, understanding the

919
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,420
community that you're building,
understanding what the goals of

920
00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:05,640
your show are those things

first, and weirdly enough, there

921
00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:09,510
are a lot of people that I speak

to on a regular basis where

922
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:12,788
they are all in on it, like
they're
happy to spend the

923
00:46:12,788 --> 00:46:15,006
money, they've signed up for
eCamm, and
I'll get on a call

924
00:46:15,006 --> 00:46:16,650
and I'll be like, okay, what's
your show
about, and they're

925
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:20,020
like, they have no idea, they
just, they
just really want a

926
00:46:20,020 --> 00:46:22,643
podcast, they want to be in this
space, so
yeah, understanding

927
00:46:22,643 --> 00:46:25,859
what all of those those pieces
are first,
and then when it

928
00:46:25,859 --> 00:46:29,120
comes to gear, if you are
already an audio-only


929
00:46:29,128 --> 00:46:32,240
podcaster, you have a huge leg
up, because the most important


930
00:46:32,248 --> 00:46:35,640
part always remains your audio.
People will watch terrible video

931
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,590

quality if they can hear you,
they will not stay if they can


932
00:46:39,598 --> 00:46:42,295
see you, and you are on mute, or
your audio sounds terrible.

933
00:46:42,295 --> 00:46:44,905
It's
a horrible experience.
So, Marc Ronick: I'm just glad


934
00:46:44,913 --> 00:46:47,589
you're saying that, because I
know we say it a lot here, and I

935
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:50,005

think a lot of people are just
like, "Oh, that's because their

936
00:46:50,005 --> 00:46:52,900
audio first podcast, but no,
here's a video person saying


937
00:46:52,908 --> 00:46:56,380
audio is the first priority,
Unknown: audio first, and it is

938
00:46:56,380 --> 00:46:58,111
also the most complicated to
learn.

939
00:46:58,111 --> 00:47:01,620
So, you know, find a

microphone that you can spend

940
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,162
time with, and make sure that it

makes sense for you.

941
00:47:04,162 --> 00:47:07,458
Don't just take, you know, the
piece of
advice that that

942
00:47:07,458 --> 00:47:09,686
someone publicly told you on
YouTube or
where else.

943
00:47:09,686 --> 00:47:12,190
Like, really think through, you
know, what your
budget is,

944
00:47:12,190 --> 00:47:14,415
what you're trying to
accomplish, whether or not you


945
00:47:14,423 --> 00:47:17,330
know you want a microphone to
grow with you, or you just need

946
00:47:17,330 --> 00:47:19,480
something right now that's a
little bit better than your


947
00:47:19,488 --> 00:47:21,028
built-in.
But don't use your built-in,

948
00:47:21,028 --> 00:47:24,074
don't use your
AirPods, don't
use your headphone microphone.

949
00:47:24,074 --> 00:47:27,014
Get a real
microphone that
connects to your computer,

950
00:47:27,014 --> 00:47:29,912
that's first.
And then
from there, honestly,

951
00:47:29,912 --> 00:47:33,882
like I mean software to be able
to
create podcasts that would

952
00:47:33,882 --> 00:47:37,444
come in probably the same line
as
microphone, maybe at one

953
00:47:37,444 --> 00:47:39,742
step afterwards.
Good lighting
probably would

954
00:47:39,742 --> 00:47:43,390
be there.
I would put camera almost at the

955
00:47:43,390 --> 00:47:47,074
very
end, because
realistically, the what you have

956
00:47:47,074 --> 00:47:49,773
on your phone does
a really
phenomenal job.

957
00:47:49,773 --> 00:47:52,576
What's built into your computer,
if you
have a newer computer,

958
00:47:52,576 --> 00:47:55,951
is actually pretty darn good.
And
then there's like a

959
00:47:55,951 --> 00:48:00,144
bajillion webcams out there that
are not
expensive that make a

960
00:48:00,144 --> 00:48:03,057
huge difference, like
understanding
your background,

961
00:48:03,057 --> 00:48:06,525
understanding basic photography
framing goes a
long way, and

962
00:48:06,525 --> 00:48:09,705
lighting goes a long way.
This camera that I'm
using

963
00:48:09,705 --> 00:48:13,206
right now was $129 I downgraded.
I have access to
every

964
00:48:13,206 --> 00:48:14,831
conceivable camera in this
video.

965
00:48:14,831 --> 00:48:17,630
I can bring them all
home.
They were complicated.

966
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:20,051
I never, like, I had to mess
with
all the settings.

967
00:48:20,051 --> 00:48:22,463
There was all this extra stuff I
had to learn.


968
00:48:22,471 --> 00:48:26,465
This one is like this big, and
it plugs in USB into my


969
00:48:26,473 --> 00:48:28,565
computer.
It always works, looks great.

970
00:48:28,565 --> 00:48:30,905
I feel good about it.
So,
and I feel good because I

971
00:48:30,905 --> 00:48:33,980
know if there was a failure
point,
there's only two things

972
00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:37,110
that could be wrong: either like
the
camera is broken or the

973
00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:39,890
cable is bad, like it's there's
not a lot
of stuff I can mess

974
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:42,230
with.
So, yeah, I think that would be

975
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:43,120
the
order to think Marc
Ronick: about.

976
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,438
D.R.
Fay: Katie, are you using a


977
00:48:44,446 --> 00:48:46,354
ring light right now?
Katie: I'm not.

978
00:48:46,354 --> 00:48:48,335
I have, D.R.
Fay: okay, Katie: I upgraded my

979
00:48:48,335 --> 00:48:49,860
lighting,
and I'm constantly
messing around with it.

980
00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:51,354
I like lighting
because I can,
like, see it.

981
00:48:51,354 --> 00:48:55,000
I'm always like, oh, it's light,

lighter here, I'm like, darker

982
00:48:55,330 --> 00:48:56,668
here, and I'm shifting stuff

around.

983
00:48:56,668 --> 00:48:59,925
I have, I think it's a newer
light that's up here with
a

984
00:48:59,925 --> 00:49:02,253
traditional soft box on it,
that's my main light.

985
00:49:02,253 --> 00:49:05,199
I have a
Elgato key light,
like one of the older key

986
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:07,949
lights, like on my
desk, kind
of, you know, Marc Ronick: these

987
00:49:07,949 --> 00:49:09,760
are Katie: like side shots.
You too,
awesome.

988
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,932
It's great because it's super
easy, super affordable.


989
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:15,612
And then I have, I think I have
an extra one here to show you.


990
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:18,535
One sec, I bought these two
little guys, they are nan


991
00:49:18,543 --> 00:49:21,734
lights, and they're called a
Pavo tube, I really like them


992
00:49:21,742 --> 00:49:24,095
for a couple of reasons.
You can get them in any size.

993
00:49:24,095 --> 00:49:25,838
These are
little, and they
weren't all that expensive.

994
00:49:25,838 --> 00:49:29,177
They're either
battery powered
or you can keep them plugged in.

995
00:49:29,177 --> 00:49:32,100
So I have one
right now, just
with like normal white light as

996
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:34,679
like an extra
light on me,
because it was a bit dark in

997
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:36,586
here.
But I love
them because you

998
00:49:36,586 --> 00:49:39,140
can actually change their color.
So if I
wanted to do what Mark

999
00:49:39,140 --> 00:49:42,230
is doing, I could actually like
put
purple, blue, I don't

1000
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:44,950
know, whatever color lights
behind me,
and they have a

1001
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:47,605
magnet on the back, so they like
stick to
anything you can

1002
00:49:47,605 --> 00:49:50,662
attach them to.
You can attach them to any kind

1003
00:49:50,662 --> 00:49:52,820
of stand, so they're great.
I, and they're little enough

1004
00:49:52,820 --> 00:49:55,740
that I
can toss them in a bag
and bring them with me, like I

1005
00:49:55,740 --> 00:49:58,003
could pack
up my whole setup
and look great anywhere.

1006
00:49:58,003 --> 00:49:59,818
I have a laptop,
everything,
even.

1007
00:49:59,818 --> 00:50:02,916
This microphone, I can toss in a
bag
and be able to make Marc

1008
00:50:02,916 --> 00:50:04,635
Ronick: that's a sure MV

seven, right?

1009
00:50:04,635 --> 00:50:07,050
Yeah, and what about the camera,
since we're
talking about your

1010
00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:07,830
equipment?
Do you know it?

1011
00:50:08,669 --> 00:50:10,608
Katie: I, I love it.
So I'm
right now I'm Team Obs

1012
00:50:10,608 --> 00:50:13,605
Bot, which is hilarious.
I never.. so
it literally is

1013
00:50:13,605 --> 00:50:17,149
an is OBS bot, it's built for
our competing
software, but I

1014
00:50:17,149 --> 00:50:18,815
love it.
I think it's great.

1015
00:50:18,815 --> 00:50:23,173
So it's this one's
called the
Meet two, it's a 4k webcam, as I

1016
00:50:23,173 --> 00:50:27,222
said, it's $129
It's literally
this big, but I have a whole

1017
00:50:27,222 --> 00:50:28,892
bunch of them.
I
have, they make also a line

1018
00:50:28,892 --> 00:50:32,425
of PTZ cameras that they pan,
tilt,
and zoom, so they have

1019
00:50:32,425 --> 00:50:35,625
like a little trying to see if I
have
extra one here nearby to

1020
00:50:35,625 --> 00:50:38,089
show you, but it's like right
out of
reach.

1021
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:40,854
But yeah, they're they're great,
because you can
technically

1022
00:50:40,854 --> 00:50:43,399
speaking, I could put it, you
know, on the other
side of the

1023
00:50:43,399 --> 00:50:45,914
room, and then I can actually
control it digitally,
so I

1024
00:50:45,914 --> 00:50:48,881
could, you know, pan around my
room and show you what's in


1025
00:50:48,889 --> 00:50:51,753
the space, if I had been wise
enough to set it up before


1026
00:50:51,761 --> 00:50:54,925
jumping on, but I just, I really
like them, because again,


1027
00:50:54,933 --> 00:50:58,474
they're like super affordable
for anyone to use, they just


1028
00:50:58,482 --> 00:51:02,180
work, they're small, they plug
in by usb to your computer, so


1029
00:51:02,188 --> 00:51:05,431
it's nice to these days.
My one of my colleagues, Doc

1030
00:51:05,431 --> 00:51:08,983
Rock, says
all the time, like
this stuff used to be millions

1031
00:51:08,983 --> 00:51:11,369
of dollars.

Yeah, a closed-off TV studio,

1032
00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:15,539
and the fact that I can like

show up anywhere, look and feel

1033
00:51:15,629 --> 00:51:18,629
professional, and you know, have

these kinds of experiences is

1034
00:51:18,629 --> 00:51:21,369
still wild to me.
I think I,
it's maybe $500

1035
00:51:21,369 --> 00:51:24,279
worth of stuff in this space,
like it's pretty
crazy that

1036
00:51:24,279 --> 00:51:26,908
we're able to do that.
Marc Ronick: I've been


1037
00:51:26,916 --> 00:51:32,490
podcasting for over 20 years,
and even 10 years ago this would

1038
00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:35,710

be almost impossible.
What you're able to do, what

1039
00:51:35,710 --> 00:51:38,948
we're
able to do now with our
studios, equipment, software, it

1040
00:51:38,948 --> 00:51:43,408
just
wasn't available 10 years
ago, that kind of variety for


1041
00:51:43,416 --> 00:51:46,474
competitive pricing, it just
wasn't out there, and so, yeah,

1042
00:51:46,474 --> 00:51:49,774
even 10 years ago was like you
either had a TV studio or you


1043
00:51:49,782 --> 00:51:52,324
didn't, you know, you just had
to make do with kind of what


1044
00:51:52,332 --> 00:51:53,902
whatever was out there at the
time.

1045
00:51:53,902 --> 00:51:57,018
All right, cool.
So we
have BC that has a

1046
00:51:57,018 --> 00:51:59,170
question, I think Ralph has
another
question, and we've

1047
00:51:59,170 --> 00:52:02,022
got only a few minutes left, so
let's see
how we do this.

1048
00:52:02,022 --> 00:52:04,335
Go ahead, BC.
BC Babbles: Yeah, small quick


1049
00:52:04,343 --> 00:52:06,294
question.
Word, how much extra was the

1050
00:52:06,294 --> 00:52:08,004
customization on your
Shure
microphone?

1051
00:52:08,004 --> 00:52:11,247
Because I did not recall seeing
that color
combination on the

1052
00:52:11,247 --> 00:52:13,500
store.
Katie: I can't remember what the

1053
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,098

cost was, so maybe I've lied
about my 500 because maybe I


1054
00:52:16,106 --> 00:52:18,190
can't.
You'll have to look it up, but

1055
00:52:18,190 --> 00:52:22,670
the company is called

Colorware, C O L O R W A R, you

1056
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:24,959
send your microphone to them,

and they do this.

1057
00:52:24,959 --> 00:52:29,294
I, so, yeah, it was, and it took
a really
long time to pick,

1058
00:52:29,294 --> 00:52:32,348
because you can customize like
almost every
aspect of it, and

1059
00:52:32,348 --> 00:52:34,472
there's so many colors to choose
from.

1060
00:52:34,472 --> 00:52:37,280
This
one was like this
iridescent, like purpley pink,

1061
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:42,188
but yeah, I
had like in the
cart five different times, I was

1062
00:52:42,188 --> 00:52:45,458
like,
maybe blue, so yeah,
it's a dangerous, you will waste

1063
00:52:45,458 --> 00:52:49,490
a lot
of time there, but it
was a lot of fun, and then this

1064
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:52,654
is just a
thing, they're
called wind screens, I always

1065
00:52:52,654 --> 00:52:55,768
get the name
wrong, but Doc,
who is my colleague, makes

1066
00:52:55,768 --> 00:52:59,374
these, and
they're at a
website called Doc Pops, do C P

1067
00:52:59,374 --> 00:53:03,510
O P P s.com he's
got a ton of
different colors and options,

1068
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:06,555
and I think I have
a hot pink
one too, but it always kind of

1069
00:53:06,555 --> 00:53:08,888
looks a little
bit red on
camera, probably pointing on my

1070
00:53:08,888 --> 00:53:11,675
behalf.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, I'm a fan of

1071
00:53:11,675 --> 00:53:13,366
using the different colored
foam wind screens.

1072
00:53:13,366 --> 00:53:15,840
Yeah, I like that.

It adds a little something to

1073
00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:16,080
Katie: it.
Yeah.

1074
00:53:16,890 --> 00:53:19,170
Marc Ronick: All right, Ralph,

do you have a final question?

1075
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:20,732
Ralph Estep Jr: I do.
Thank you,
Katie.

1076
00:53:20,732 --> 00:53:23,801
And I want to ask you, what are
the most common setup
mistakes

1077
00:53:23,801 --> 00:53:25,696
you see from podcasters starting
video?

1078
00:53:25,696 --> 00:53:29,270
So, those who
are just getting
ready to get started, what do

1079
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:32,456
you see is the
most common
setup mistakes, and how do you

1080
00:53:32,456 --> 00:53:35,745
overcome those?
Katie: I mean, probably feeling

1081
00:53:35,745 --> 00:53:39,878
like they need to have this
very complete full studio to

1082
00:53:39,878 --> 00:53:43,448
start,
so it's I think they
get into, I've been calling it

1083
00:53:43,448 --> 00:53:45,425
checklist
mode.
It's, you know, well, they don't

1084
00:53:45,425 --> 00:53:48,923
have the best camera, it's
not
set up correctly, or they have

1085
00:53:48,923 --> 00:53:49,900
all these things that they

like.

1086
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:51,670
If they get through it, then
they can start.

1087
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:54,400
So, putting
it off and waiting
until you have everything, I

1088
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,480
think, is a
huge issue that
they make.

1089
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,300
Not doing a tech check, which I,

again, I have absolutely been

1090
00:54:00,420 --> 00:54:02,670
guilty of you, like, jump on,

you're like, ah, it looks good,

1091
00:54:02,850 --> 00:54:05,940
everything looks fine, and just,

you know, and just starting to

1092
00:54:06,030 --> 00:54:08,460
record, like, the amount of

times where you know they get

1093
00:54:08,460 --> 00:54:10,110
all the way through a video and
they realize that they were on

1094
00:54:10,170 --> 00:54:13,320
mute the whole time, or you

know, I don't know, the internet

1095
00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:16,449
fails because they didn't double

check their speed tests, or

1096
00:54:16,449 --> 00:54:18,015
all of those different kinds of
things.

1097
00:54:18,015 --> 00:54:20,480
So, having time for a tech
check, I think, is really


1098
00:54:20,488 --> 00:54:22,316
important.
I mean, those are probably the

1099
00:54:22,316 --> 00:54:24,647
biggest ones.
The
other stuff you're just

1100
00:54:24,647 --> 00:54:28,805
not going to predict.
I feel like a
lot of times we

1101
00:54:28,805 --> 00:54:31,856
also think it's a little bit
easier than it is,
and so we

1102
00:54:31,856 --> 00:54:34,445
don't spend as much time
understanding some of the


1103
00:54:34,453 --> 00:54:36,680
technology.
So, like, if you're going to,

1104
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,930
for example, if you're
going
to use your mirrorless camera as

1105
00:54:39,930 --> 00:54:42,898
a webcam, which you
absolutely
can, you can plug it right into

1106
00:54:42,898 --> 00:54:45,271
your computer.
It
shows up, looks beautiful.

1107
00:54:45,271 --> 00:54:47,780
You better understand what all
those
different settings are,

1108
00:54:47,780 --> 00:54:50,274
and whether or not it's gonna
have
the potential to

1109
00:54:50,274 --> 00:54:52,558
overheat.
Have you checked the batteries?

1110
00:54:52,558 --> 00:54:56,128
Like,
I intentionally made
this space as simple as

1111
00:54:56,128 --> 00:54:59,254
possible, so that I
was able
to kind of eliminate a whole

1112
00:54:59,254 --> 00:55:00,990
bunch of those failure.

Points, and I think people who

1113
00:55:01,050 --> 00:55:04,530
are brand new, if they have the
most, they might do the most,

1114
00:55:04,590 --> 00:55:07,500
but they don't take the time to
read the manual or fully

1115
00:55:07,590 --> 00:55:10,230
understand what might happen

with some of these more

1116
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,630
complicated pieces of tech,

because none of us aren't like,

1117
00:55:13,140 --> 00:55:16,500
again, this used to be a career
of multiple people, there was a

1118
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,250
camera operator, there was an

audio engineer, so having, like,

1119
00:55:20,730 --> 00:55:23,630
you are that person for your own

show, so you really need to

1120
00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:27,740
understand how to do these

things, or if you aren't ready

1121
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,740
to do that, then you need to

make it as easy as possible for

1122
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:33,620
yourself and make sure that

you're at least checking the

1123
00:55:33,620 --> 00:55:36,226
bare minimum of boxes.
Marc Ronick: Yeah.

1124
00:55:36,226 --> 00:55:36,722
Okay.
Cool.


1125
00:55:36,730 --> 00:55:39,364
Well, Katie, thank you for all
of this today.

1126
00:55:39,364 --> 00:55:43,117
I think what
you've helped
make clear is that getting

1127
00:55:43,117 --> 00:55:46,744
comfortable on camera is
all
about recognizing that it's not

1128
00:55:46,744 --> 00:55:49,930
about being perfect, and

instead focus on just showing

1129
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,010
up, practicing, learning, and

letting that confidence grow

1130
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,220
through the repetition.
Katie: Yep, Marc Ronick: yeah.

1131
00:55:57,220 --> 00:56:00,768
And for
everybody listening,
if video has felt intimidating,

1132
00:56:00,768 --> 00:56:04,354
hopefully
today reminded you
that you don't have to master

1133
00:56:04,354 --> 00:56:07,220
everything
at once.
You just need a starting point,

1134
00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:10,434
and maybe a
little courage,
and some willingness to improve.

1135
00:56:10,434 --> 00:56:14,444
And what
I love about Katie,
and what she's shared today, is

1136
00:56:14,444 --> 00:56:17,475
here's
somebody who works for
a company that's all about

1137
00:56:17,475 --> 00:56:21,008
video, but
she's not telling
us we have to have the best

1138
00:56:21,008 --> 00:56:24,503
equipment, the
most expensive
equipment, the best software out

1139
00:56:24,503 --> 00:56:26,549
there.
Right,
it's really all about

1140
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:30,296
what feels right to us, what
works well for
us in our

1141
00:56:30,296 --> 00:56:31,787
setup.
So I really appreciate

1142
00:56:31,787 --> 00:56:33,122
everything you've
shared
today, Katie.

1143
00:56:33,122 --> 00:56:35,958
And if you don't mind, let
people know
where they can

1144
00:56:35,958 --> 00:56:39,196
connect with you and learn more.
Katie: Absolutely, if you want


1145
00:56:39,204 --> 00:56:42,916
to learn more about eCamm, you
can just search EC amm.com as


1146
00:56:42,924 --> 00:56:45,570
our website.
We have an incredible community.

1147
00:56:45,570 --> 00:56:49,450
You don't
have to be using the
software to be part of our

1148
00:56:49,450 --> 00:56:50,890
community.
It's a
public Facebook group.

1149
00:56:50,890 --> 00:56:53,670
Anyone is welcome to come in and
ask
questions and practice and

1150
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:55,455
sort of see what other people
are up
to.

1151
00:56:55,455 --> 00:56:58,440
So, come lurk in our community,
or are welcome to get
to know

1152
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,744
us a little bit better there.
And I do.

1153
00:57:00,744 --> 00:57:03,263
I'm involved in
a lot of
workshops and trainings and

1154
00:57:03,263 --> 00:57:05,086
things in that space.
You
can certainly find me

1155
00:57:05,086 --> 00:57:06,672
there if you want to geek out
over
movies.

1156
00:57:06,672 --> 00:57:10,200
You can find me on the VHS Club
podcast, that's the VHS


1157
00:57:10,208 --> 00:57:14,130
clubpod.com We record live on
Thursday nights at 9pm Eastern


1158
00:57:14,138 --> 00:57:17,495
over on YouTube, but obviously
you can listen or watch wherever

1159
00:57:17,495 --> 00:57:20,022

you want.
Maker's Table is Fridays at 2pm

1160
00:57:20,022 --> 00:57:24,666
Eastern over on
YouTube, the
Makers Table Live is the is what

1161
00:57:24,666 --> 00:57:27,545
you can search
over on
YouTube, and then the flow in a

1162
00:57:27,545 --> 00:57:31,186
few hours here.
So we
go live Tuesdays at noon

1163
00:57:31,186 --> 00:57:34,244
Eastern over on YouTube on
eCamm's
YouTube channel, and

1164
00:57:34,244 --> 00:57:36,230
we talk about all things video

podcasting.

1165
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:39,040
I think you can find, you'll
find me personally
if you find

1166
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,346
me under any of those spaces.
I'm not sure, Marc Ronick: I'm

1167
00:57:42,346 --> 00:57:45,092
sure, and we,
we have links
all in the show notes as well.

1168
00:57:45,092 --> 00:57:47,746
Yes, Alex, go
ahead.
Alex Ballish: I was lucky enough

1169
00:57:47,746 --> 00:57:51,544

to be a guest on her VHS
podcast, and how were you, baby?

1170
00:57:51,544 --> 00:57:53,950


I didn't get that, I had a

1171
00:57:54,010 --> 00:57:56,980
problem, I couldn't get in here
earlier, but I just wanted to

1172
00:57:57,070 --> 00:58:02,381
say it's, it is so much fun.
She
does a great job, it's the

1173
00:58:02,381 --> 00:58:04,430
best of eCamm.
I still haven't
figured it

1174
00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:08,710
out, and I'm a pro that and the
script are like the
bane of my

1175
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:11,555
existence, but I want to know
more about it.

1176
00:58:11,555 --> 00:58:14,811
And she
is so helpful.
After Podfest, she was nice

1177
00:58:14,811 --> 00:58:17,436
enough to do a
tutorial, I
didn't even buy it yet, and she

1178
00:58:17,436 --> 00:58:20,794
was nice enough to
try to walk
me through it, so I just can't

1179
00:58:20,794 --> 00:58:23,342
say enough good
things about
her and the eCamm community,

1180
00:58:23,342 --> 00:58:27,350
despite Billy being a
focal
point of Marc Ronick: it.

1181
00:58:27,380 --> 00:58:30,980
Alex Ballish: Despite that, you
know, no, actually, one last

1182
00:58:30,980 --> 00:58:34,160
thing, I know we're over time.

She's been a really great asset,

1183
00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:38,120
and if you can work with her,

anybody that's listening, it's

1184
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:41,864
money well spent.
Marc Ronick: Thank you, Alex.


1185
00:58:41,872 --> 00:58:44,524
Good endorsement from Alex.
And yeah, so Katie, thank you.

1186
00:58:44,524 --> 00:58:47,724
And
hopefully we can have you
back sometime and talk more with

1187
00:58:47,724 --> 00:58:50,499
you
about podcasting and video
and all the things.

1188
00:58:50,499 --> 00:58:53,568
And a reminder
to the rest of
the group, by the way, we are

1189
00:58:53,568 --> 00:58:56,313
back tomorrow, 8am
Eastern,
covering all the headlines

1190
00:58:56,313 --> 00:58:59,893
around the world of
podcasting
and sharing our two cents about

1191
00:58:59,893 --> 00:59:01,947
those headlines.
So
come join us for that.

1192
00:59:01,947 --> 00:59:04,099
If you want to find the
different ways
you can join

1193
00:59:04,099 --> 00:59:06,917
us, just go to Podcasting
Morning show.com/join
us.

1194
00:59:06,917 --> 00:59:11,268
Thank you again to Katie Fox.
Thank you to Ralph for
setting

1195
00:59:11,268 --> 00:59:14,111
this one up for us.
And we'll see you tomorrow.

1196
00:59:14,111 --> 00:59:17,179
So,
until then, make it a
great day, everybody.

1197
00:59:17,179 --> 00:59:17,819
Take care.