435. The Golden Globes Just Changed Podcasting Forever

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat Today is Wednesday January

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14th, 2026 and today it's
podcast news in common day.

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Hollywood finally notices
podcasts and gets side eyed for

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how it did it.
Spotify claims creators are

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winning and the webbies make
moves that have the industry

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talking.
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We'll get things rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again, podcasting.
Morning, Chad.

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Thanks so much for being here.
I am your host, Mark Ronick, and

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currently on stage with me.
As I like to say sometimes,

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we've got a full house.
Welcome to Ralph Estep, Dave

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Jackson, producer Ashley Feller,
Dr. Faye, Sid Meadows, BC

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Babbles, Jonathan Howard and
Alex Baelish, and a good morning

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to Mike Short who is in the
audience, the first to join this

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morning.
I'm sure we will see more of our

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regular community members here
as the morning goes on.

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So yes, we're going to do the
news today.

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First, I wanted to start with a
letter that I received from

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somebody who listens to the
podcasting morning chat,

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somebody that I don't believe
I've ever interacted with

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before.
We will call him Joshua because

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I didn't fully, I didn't get to
get permission.

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I found this this morning.
So just to protect him, we'll

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call him Joshua and it'll be
like Madonna.

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We're just giving him one name
today.

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This is in response to
yesterday's episode, episode

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434, when I shared a little bit
about my, well, more than a

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little bit about my anxiety
around my presentation that

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happens tomorrow.
I'll read and then I'll share

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some some updates with you as
well.

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Joshua writes.
Mr. Ronic, I want to thank you,

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but need to offer a bit of
background.

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And by the way, if he's
listening, I have edited down

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his letter because it was a very
long and thoughtful note so I

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wanted to just get you the gist
of it.

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He goes on to say I used to
speak to large groups of

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strangers as a preteen.
If I had something to say, I had

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no qualms about protecting I'm
sorry projecting it to whatever

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group that was.
Then I became self aware.

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I felt like my ADHD would rear
its head.

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This is where there are some
similarities.

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He goes on to say I became
anxious and waffled between

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depression and isolation and
then being a class clown and

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life of the party.
I can very much relate, he goes

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on.
But like you, I took challenge

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and discomfort as a way to grow
and just ignored and pressed

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onward.
Now as a real adult, you and I

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know that the ongoing struggles
are ever present and we won't

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let it stop us.
You giving speeches is something

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you've already done, a natural
progression and will give you

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some comfort to do it again and
will continue to give you

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authenticity.
That authenticity is what drove

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me to write to you.
I wanted you to know then he

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actually had said he's been
meaning to write out.

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So that's why I it says I wanted
you to know then that your

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podcast matters.
Truly, people like you and Dave

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Campbell.
Is Dave here yet?

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No, Dave isn't here yet.
People like you and Dave

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Campbell are directly behind and
responsible for making

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podcasting feel like a reality.
Thank you.

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Thank you, 1000.
Thank you's.

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Knock them dead at the
conference.

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Just be you and things will be
better than fine.

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Own your feelings.
Divulge it to your growing crowd

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of supporters if you need to do
so.

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They will follow you and again,
thank you.

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I slash, we are all behind you,
Joshua.

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Joshua, thank you so much.
As I told him it was a good

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reminder for me that really, if
I just stay true to who I am, if

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I need to call out my ADHD,
which you all know, I have no

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problem doing, and I did it at
Empowered Podcasting and I

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intend to do it again.
It helps me if I can just call

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it out at the beginning, even if
nobody were to ever notice that

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I was having an ADHD moment, it
gives me it, it calms me.

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It says to me that, OK, they all
know the deal.

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They don't think I'm just some
moron.

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I just lost my place in my head
and I'm backing up and back, you

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know, and getting back my feet
back.

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So I really appreciated this and
I will tell you guys that.

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Update, I was stressing after
the show as well, but I had to

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push forward and I decided I am
going to use note cards, which I

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know is not encouraged.
In fact, I told Sean Douglas,

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who I told you guys is my
speaking coach for all this.

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He was discouraging me from
using note cards.

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But I'm OK with it because
here's the deal.

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Once I got all my note cards
together, I stood up here in my

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studio, I pretended I had an
audience in front of me and I

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practiced the whole thing.
And I'll tell you, I killed it.

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I don't mind admitting it.
I killed it.

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I am so much more confident now
about it and I think it's going

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to go really well tomorrow.
Those no cards I barely looked

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at, but they did help me in a
couple of moments where I got

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distracted in my head and lost
my place.

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And that's really the gist of
it.

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And I, and some may say, but
Mark, just use slides to do

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that.
I'm doing a little bit of both

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because I don't want the slides
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I don't want my speech on
screen.

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Instead, I want to just glance
at a note card here and there

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and use those slides mainly for
the people that are there in the

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audience and a little cheating
for me along the way.

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So again, thank you to all of
you.

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Thank you to Joshua for taking
the time and writing me such a

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thoughtful note.
I appreciate it, but it's time

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for the news.
So we're going to dive right in.

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We've got segments today from
Ralph the Business Bite.

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We've got BC with a new segment.
And if Nick is joining us today,

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he's got some AI news for us as
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He's not here yet, but Matt
Bliss and Alex Baelish has

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joined us since we opened the
show.

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Let's do it.
So as I like to do when we start

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the news, let's go with some
data and some charts.

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So first, over the past week,
587,047 podcasts published at

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least one new episode, which
according to Podcast Business

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Journal is up 22.7% from the
previous week.

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And normally at this part of
this of the show, I give you

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Apple's number one.
But I told you last week, the

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number one has been over and
over again for weeks, if not

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maybe a couple months now.
The Daily has claimed that spot

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in the US on Apple's charts, the
number one spot.

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So what I said last week, maybe
we have to start doing the top

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five like we do with Spotify.
So Dr. is going to give us the

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Spotify top five along with the
top five on Apple.

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Take it away, Dr. #5 on Spotify
is The daily #4 is the Tucker

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Carlson show #3 is The Crime
junkie #2 is Sean Ryan's show,

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and the number one is the Joey
Rogan Experience.

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And how about the top five on
Apple?

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Top five on Apple.
I'm going to relish this a

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little bit because he's never
been read at this particular

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spot.
Not on this.

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Show number. #5 The Joe Rogan
experience.

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That's something.
To say that.

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OK #4 is up first from NPR #3 is
good hang I hit the.

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Wrong button.
Golden OK, Golden world golden

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winner, whatever that was.
Prime JP is number 2 and #1 is

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the daily.
Thank you Dr. Sorry about

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hitting that wrong button there.
Of course, that's a tradition of

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mine here on the PMC and let's
dive in.

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I also what I told you last week
as far as events go, I'm really

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trying to limit the amount of
events that we talked about to

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avoid, well, to stay as
Evergreen as possible.

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So I will only talk about one
event, which is people are

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flying out to right now.
I will be in a few hours.

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Pod Fest starting technically
today, but I guess officially

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all the big all the talks begin
tomorrow.

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Mine starts at 1:45 tomorrow,
Thursday.

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Name of my talk, Why?
Community creates buy in for

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growth.
It's part of the audience growth

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track.
I should also mention tomorrow

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at 5:30 PM if you are at Pod
Fest, we will be hosting an

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Empowered Podcasting Happy Hour
that'll be at the bar of the

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hotel.
Not hard to find by any stretch.

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It's right in the center of the
venue.

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So come join us if you'd like.
And Dave, do you want to share

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since you're here today, when is
your talk in the name of it?

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I would love to if I knew the
date and time and the name I

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knew.
I know.

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I know it's something about
buffing the boring out of your

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podcast and getting people to
share it.

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So it's kind of a how to grow
your podcast.

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So I'm on the same track.
I want to say it's Saturday at

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3:00.
That's my official guess.

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I'm probably, I know it's
Saturday so I'm looking forward

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to it.
And Dramamine has been consumed.

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So I'm I've got about an hour
till my plane takes off.

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I'm super excited about this.
Thank you, Dave.

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And and this, my friends, is the
difference between somebody who

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speaks often and someone who
doesn't.

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In other words, Dave doesn't
even remember the name or when

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his his talk is me.
I, I've got that all locked in.

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I'm sure if I was doing this as
much as Dave, I'd probably not

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really be so aware of that
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And I think Dave will be on some
panels as well.

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So here's the the hack.
Go on Hoova and just search for

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Dave.
There you go, that'll work.

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Yes, Dave Jackson, I will be
attending at least one of his

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talks because like I said, I
think he's doing some panels

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too.
I had looked this morning when I

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saw him pop in our room, so
that's the only event I'm going

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to share.
But we do have a special

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announcement that Dr. put
together for us.

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So without further ado.
Thank you.

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Thank you very much.
You're great time.

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OK.
And the winner of the Discover

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Pod Award for the Best
Educational Podcast of 2025 is

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Oh my God, the Podcasting
morning chat.

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The YouTube Sexy award is their
host, Mr. Mark Ronit.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

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Thank you, everybody.
Thank you.

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It's an honor to receive this
award.

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Yes, we happened to stumble on
the fact that we did receive an

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award and it was from
Discoverpod and I didn't even

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know we were up for an award.
And, and in my opinion, any

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recognition is good recognition
and I'm proud to hang my hat on

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it and be able to say that we
are an award-winning podcast.

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Dr. Do you want to tell us a
little bit about Discoverpods?

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Who gave us this honor?
Yeah, so Discover Pods is a

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platform built for podcast
listeners and creators.

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It focuses on helping people
find high quality podcasts

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through reviews and
recommendations, curated lists,

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and industry coverage.
It exists to surface shows that

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inform, educate, and serve their
audiences, not just chase down

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downloads.
And the Discover Pod Awards are

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decided with input from
listeners and fans.

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They recognize podcasts that
stand out for their content,

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impact and value.
Winning Best Educational Podcast

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tells us that the work you hear
every week is landing the way we

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really hoped it would, and we're
proud of this award.

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We are grateful for this
community and we thank you for

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listening, sharing and
supporting the show.

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And you know what?
I would love it if we could get

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a bunch of people to sign up for
their newsletter.

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The link that will of course be
in the notes.

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OK.
Sounds good.

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Thank you, Dr. Appreciate that.
I'm so glad that she got to do

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her speech.
Yeah, I mean, I we were talking

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about this behind the scenes and
she forgot to mention a couple

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of people, the egg board,
because without eggs and Dr.,

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there really wouldn't be a
morning chat.

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I'd like to thank all the little
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that are under 3 foot 2, you
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Well, DRDR was being a
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she didn't want to thank
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As the presenter of the award,
she wanted to leave that to me,

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that's why.
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And the whole egg joke, by the
way, That's because, well, in

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about one minute, Dr. is going
to go cook eggs for her hubby.

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And that that has become a thing
here on the morning chat.

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So, Dr., go ahead.
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Will, I will take the reins
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Actually, what we can do is I
yeah, let's do this.

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Let's go to Ralph's segment.
Here we go.

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Quick tip, smart move.
Yeah, content creators, business

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fight.
I still love that.

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OK, Ralph, take it away.
Good morning everybody.

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Quick follow up, I got 2 pieces
of of news today.

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Quick follow up on one I talked
about last week.

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Last week I talked about that
podcast ad block.

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That's an AI tool that strips
out podcast episodes and sells

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those things ad free.
I got an additional angle in

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this because James Krillen
reported this from Adopter Media

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on Pod News last Wednesday and
it's pointing out that this

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isn't only a piracy problem,
it's a listening experience

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problem.
Tools like this don't spread in

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a vacuum, they spread when
listeners feel like there's too

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many breaks, you've heard the
same ad again and interruptions

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every few minutes.
And I think the big take away

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for us is simple.
If we want to protect revenue

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and protect our shows, we got to
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And that means keep an ad loads
discipline, avoiding repeating

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the same ad in the same episode.
And if you're going to stack

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ads, hear me on this lead with
something host read so it feels

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native.
The bottom line is this.

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This is the second warning light
for us as content creators, not

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just people stealing stuff, but
people are getting fed up.

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So here's the question for us
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Are we building trust with our
listener or testing their

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patience?
I really think that's something

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we need to lean into today.
Mark, if you want me to hit the

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second one, I will.
Or do we want to have some

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conversation here?
Only if somebody wants to chime

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in, giving everybody a second.
OK, guess not.

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Go ahead, Ralph.
OK, cool.

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And I'll go to the second one.
This is Spotify news, This comes

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from Reuters.
And Spotify has made a big move

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for video podcasters and that
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it's a pure business play.
On January 7th, Spotify lowered

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the bar that they have to start
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The requirements are now 1000
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last 30 days and 2000 hours
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and just three published
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Before it was 2000 listeners and
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published episodes.
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does this matter?
I think Spotify's signaling

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something out loud.
Watch time is the new currency.

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It's not the downloads, it's the
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they're trying to pull craters
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they're open.
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they're open up a new studio in
LA to support that push.

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Here's the take away for us as
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If you want monetization
options, start thinking beyond

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downloads.
So this week, my encouragement

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is pick one episode at a simple
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Tighten that for 60 seconds
because in 2026, consumption

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beats clicks.
And thank you.

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Thank you, Ralph.
Appreciate that.

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And I, yeah, let's go to Matt.
Matt, did you want to respond to

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this?
Good morning.

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Morning.
I actually read something

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similar from Ashley Carmen that
she posted on LinkedIn talking

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to some Spotify execs over the
weekend or a couple of weeks ago

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or something for Bloomberg, and
they were talking to her about

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that.
They prioritize the people who

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come back to Spotify often.
They want to enjoy coming back.

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gone up from 21 to 25 for each
user over the last five years, I

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think, she said.
So I think the simplicity of

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pushing to video maybe isn't the
main take away to optimize for

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Spotify and other things, but
Spotify is definitely leaning in

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that direction to a degree.
There's a lot to look at with

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it.
Thank you, Matt.

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Alex, did you want to say
something?

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It's just so interesting that
we've this story came up

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because, you know, I went on to
Netflix yesterday and now they

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have this whole podcast.
Yeah, we're going to get into

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that.
Don't spoil.

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It then I'll wait.
I'll wait.

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OK, cool.
Thank you.

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Alex and Dave, I'm curious,
Dave, if you were had, I know

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you're at the airport, so if you
were distracted, I understand.

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But I was curious your response
because I know you're not a big

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fan of the Spotify podcasting
stuff.

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I am not a fan of Spotify
anything.

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Well, I love their music
service.

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From what I understand, it's
either the same like because

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YouTube has a plan for, you
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And from what I understand, this
makes Spotify's what is that

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called?
It's the it's the benchmark, I

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guess to get paid either the
same or actually a little lower

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than YouTube.
I forget which one James said.

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But I know that's one of the
reasons they're doing that is

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because they're trying
desperately to get people to put

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video on on Spotify so that when
somebody says, hey, did you see

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the gorilla on the bike?
Like right now I'm just running

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to YouTube, but they're trying
to get it to where if somebody

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says something, did you watch?
They're going to think Spotify

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too, which I think is a really,
really steep hill to climb.

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Up, but you know, good luck with
that, Spotify.

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Yeah, Thank you, Dave.
I'm glad you're here to give the

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other side of the coin.
And Ralph, you wanted to chime

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in.
Go ahead.

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Yeah, I just wondered Trump at
what Dave said.

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So on YouTube, it's 3000 hours,
but with Spotify, they're

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dropping it to two.
But here's the curious part of

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that.
It's 2000 hours consumed in the

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last 30 days, whereas on YouTube
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So that I don't know that that's
a different bar, but it's an

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interesting bar.
So they are really trying to get

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people who are super engaged.
And I think that's where, yes,

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it's a little bit lower, but I'm
not sure that it's lower in real

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life.
Yeah.

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No, I would.
I would call that apples and

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oranges in my book.
That's not even close.

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Agreed.
Agreed.

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Interesting takes here and I
guess to be continued.

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We'll see how this new change
helps or hurts things with

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Spotify.
More to come on that wrong

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button.
One day I will have a perfect

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streak of hitting the right
buttons.

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Netflix, as Alex pointed out, is
officially in the podcast era.

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We've certainly talked about
this coming in the past.

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The rollout started Sunday night
when the ringers.

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The re Watchables dropped its
first live episode on Netflix

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under a new exclusive deal that
also includes Spotify.

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Viewers will not see traditional
video ads, but host Bill Simmons

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still delivers live reads for
sponsors like FanDuel.

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The catch?
These video episodes disappear

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from YouTube.
Netflix already has similar

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podcast deals with iheart and
Barstool Sports, and more

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partnerships are expected as the
platform quietly builds a closed

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podcast ecosystem around premium
shows.

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Alex, did you want to say
anything about that?

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I would love to hear Dave's take
on it, but it was like exciting

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and sad both at the same time.
I know that sounds so weird

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because when it popped up, I was
like, all right, they're in the

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podcast game now and it's great
for podcasting.

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But I think it's just me
personally.

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I mean, I love those shows, so
it's going to be fun to see how

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they do it.
But yeah, it's exciting.

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But I was interested with the
with me too.

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Yeah, I'm interested in Dave's
Take Two.

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Dave, your thoughts on the whole
Netflix podcast stuff?

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I just want to go, did you not
see what Spotify did?

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Like, we've been down this road
before and people that went

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exclusive, almost all of them,
unless your last name is Rogan,

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when it came time to get off
Spotify, they went, wait a

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minute.
I lost half my, I don't know

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about half, but they lost a
chunk of their audience.

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And the bad news is while you
were gone, your audience found

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somebody else to listen to.
So the exclusive thing really

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makes me scratch my head.
And then when James Kreblin from

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podnews.net through in the yeah,
his weekly show, which gets

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about 26,000 downloads a month
is greater than 25 or than 20%

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of the shows on Netflix.
So we we know there are billions

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when not billions, but millions
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it may not be as big as we think
it is because there are a lot of

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shows on Netflix.
So when it comes down to how

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many are actually watching this
show.

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So on one hand, it looks really
cool to say, hey, I'm on

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Netflix.
But I think of the long run,

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I'll be interested to see what
Bill thinks of, you know, Bill

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Simmons thinks about this
because you're not going to be

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the top priority over there.
I'm kind of like Alex said, I'm

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excited because I'm like Google,
Netflix is looking at

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podcasting.
But on the other hand, it's

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another big company that didn't
take, I don't know, 10 minutes

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to ask somebody that knows the
podcasting space, what should we

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do here?
And so they're, you know, the

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whole exclusive thing.
I get it, they're trying to

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fight YouTube, but I just go, I
think in the long run, I think

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they're going to regret that, at
least the the people that

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jumped.
But on the other hand, we don't

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know how much they got paid.
If somebody offered me enough

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money, I'd go exclusive because
I'll be happy to cry on the

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beach, you know, that's right at
the bank.

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But Dave, don't you think this
is a different animal?

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I mean, you know, Netflix is
probably position themselves the

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best to go against the Youtubes
and the whatever, because people

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just love to be on Netflix and
and if they put a show up there

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and they're putting it in a
prominent spot, people are going

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to watch it.
Maybe I'm drinking the kool-aid,

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I don't know, but I just think
the downloads are not.

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Maybe it won't be at first, but
I think it this is the best shot

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of being successful that they
have just because of the binge

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ability of people that want to
be on Netflix.

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I think I just know with, you
know, our own family, we just

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watch it a lot.
That's the advantage is from

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what I've heard, I know Tom
Webster was talking about how it

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seems like YouTube seems to be
watched more during the day and

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Netflix seems to have a little
bit of advantage at night.

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And this is an advantage for
people to go wait, podcast what?

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You know, there are still those
people out there and now I know

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a lot of people that really like
Bill Simmons show, especially

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sports people.
And so I could see those people

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that haven't listened to Bill's
show.

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Now they discover it and now you
have that person saying, hey,

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have you seen this show on
Netflix?

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So it is an opportunity
absolutely to grow his audience

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any better because the people
that used to watch him on

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YouTube, you know, aren't going
to get that option.

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Anymore.
Thank you, Dave.

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And real quick and Matt, looks
like Matt wants to chime in.

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But one question to call out
whether you know or maybe

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somebody else, because you've
said a couple times exclusive to

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Netflix and we know it's
exclusive in the sense that at

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least according to the article
that they've pulled these off of

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YouTube.
But have they pulled these

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podcast episodes off of the
podcast platforms like Apple and

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Spotify?
That's a good question.

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That's true because I keep
thinking exclusive not on

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YouTube.
Thank you for correcting me

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because.
I'm not necessarily correcting

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you, it's just a good question.
That's a good question.

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Yeah, because I could be wrong
on that.

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I just when I heard they were
off YouTube, I was like, oh,

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00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,640
it's a bad idea.
But you're right.

452
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,720
If they're still on Apple and
Spotify, then the only people

453
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,880
that are going to be upset are
the people that watch them on

454
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,720
YouTube.
So yeah, good point.

455
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,880
And then maybe they're
incentivized to get that Netflix

456
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,680
subscription.
If they don't have it, maybe,

457
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,320
who knows, maybe that's what
pushes them over the edge to get

458
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,640
that subscription.
Yeah, could be, yeah.

459
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:49,440
We'll see.
I Heart wants your podcast

460
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:56,200
everywhere on everything.
At CES 2026, I Heart Media

461
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,440
rolled out new platform
integrations designed to push

462
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,840
podcasts deeper into cars,
homes, and smart devices.

463
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,200
This is less about innovation
and more about control of

464
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,840
distribution.
So here's what this means, how

465
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,640
this integration works.
Because if you were like me, I

466
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,440
saw this and said OK, so they're
adding an app.

467
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,080
I thought they already had an
app in cars and such, but no.

468
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,680
So I'll explain this as best I
can.

469
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,520
There is deeper in car
integration, I heard is now more

470
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,160
tightly embedded into modern
vehicle infotainment systems.

471
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,200
Instead of opening up a generic
app, drivers get native access

472
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,200
to live radio, podcasts and
personalized stations directly

473
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,840
inside the car's dashboard.
Experience smarter voice

474
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,720
control.
The integrations improve how I

475
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,800
Heart works with voice
assistance.

476
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,920
Listeners can ask for specific
shows, podcasts, hosts or

477
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,320
stations more naturally, and the
system understands context

478
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,400
better than before.
Unified listener profiles.

479
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,880
So listener listening
preferences now travel with the

480
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,400
user across devices.
What someone listens to at at

481
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,120
home, in the car or on a phone
feeds into one profile,

482
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,320
improving recommendations and AD
targeting.

483
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,640
Also, podcasts are no longer a
separate experience.

484
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,960
They surface alongside live
radio and music inside partner

485
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,160
platforms, increasing exposure
without listeners needing to

486
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,480
search a podcast app.
The integrations allow iheart to

487
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,920
serve more dynamic, context
aware ads, especially in cars.

488
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,640
That means ads can reflect
location, time of day, and

489
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,320
listening behavior, not just
broad demographics.

490
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,720
I see this as a win if this
really can take off, and I don't

491
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,000
see why it wouldn't.
If it's really more integrated

492
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,720
into the car, more similarly to
how a radio is integrated, I

493
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,880
could just, I could see this
opening things up and certainly

494
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,720
maybe being a little safer on
the roads, right?

495
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,360
We're not futzing around with
our phones trying to find that

496
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,160
podcast we want to listen to
next.

497
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,760
It's all just kind of built in
right there and it sounds like

498
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,840
easier to search and find.
Ralph, did you want to chime in?

499
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,040
Yeah, the one thing you said in
there that made me kind of

500
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,840
cringe was the word ads.
And I'm worried about are we

501
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,960
going down the radio track of,
you know, 30% of what you listen

502
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,720
to being ads.
That's my only thing, Mark.

503
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,960
And based on what we talked
about today, I think we've got

504
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,920
to be really careful about that
because it and I know Dave

505
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,600
Jackson and I talk about this
sometimes and if you turn on

506
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,440
something in the 1st 6 minutes
or ads, man, I am done.

507
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,240
Thank you Ralph.
Did anyone else want to chime in

508
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,960
on this?
I always think it's funny how

509
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,600
big companies love to announce
things in some cases that they

510
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,680
already do like it's new.
I don't log into my iheart

511
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,160
account a lot, but when I do, I
can see all the stations that I

512
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,560
have previously gone through and
said, oh, add this to my

513
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,120
favorite.
So when they're like, oh,

514
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,160
better, you know, you can now
save your stations.

515
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,040
And I'm like, yeah, I think I've
been able to do that for about

516
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,800
10 years.
So that was the one thing that

517
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,040
made me kind of chuckle.
Agreed and I got to stop and

518
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,880
pause real quick and say is
anyone else surprised that Dave

519
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,760
says he's at an airport because
it sounds super quiet in the

520
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,480
background?
Like it's, he could have told me

521
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,840
he's in his family room and I
would have believed it.

522
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,920
Dave, are you like in a in a
private area?

523
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,800
I am now moving.
Yeah.

524
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,400
Here we go.
There's the lovely announcement

525
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,960
for you.
Yeah, that or my or my earbuds

526
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,600
or just.
That's what drowning them out.

527
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,520
Yeah.
And that could very well because

528
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,920
I think I don't.
Do you have the latest air pods

529
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,320
or anything?
Like that.

530
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,440
Not the latest greatest, but the
version beforehand.

531
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,760
Yeah.
And I think that one does it

532
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,640
too, where it helps now reduce
background noise.

533
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,240
So I think maybe that's what's
going on.

534
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,520
That's so interesting.
Cool, cool.

535
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,920
All right, so we'll keep it
moving and we're going to

536
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,120
introduce a new segment that we
have not officially named, nor

537
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,560
do we have a bumper or a Stinger
for it.

538
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,720
BC why don't you explain what
we're developing here for your

539
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,600
segment and then give us the
story.

540
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,960
Yeah, well, as we all know, we
got plenty of celebrities out

541
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,560
there who have their own
podcast.

542
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,920
We share the airwaves with some
notable people, and for the most

543
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,520
part, it's a great way for us to
connect with our favorite people

544
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,640
of notoriety outside of their
characters on the screen.

545
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,000
But sometimes they don't make
the best choices while they're

546
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,280
on the mic, so we're going to
discuss a couple of those

547
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,120
instances this morning.
All right, let's do it.

548
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,640
First story here is happened
actually this this past week.

549
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,000
This one I'm going to call Las
Culteresas versus Representative

550
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,400
Jasmine Crockett.
So Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers

551
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,720
are the 2 hosts for the Las
Culturistas, a pop culture

552
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,880
commentary podcast.
Matt Rogers is a otherwise a

553
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,720
television and comedian
personality.

554
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,840
Bowen Yang is a former SNL star
and recently starred in the two

555
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,240
Wicked movies that just came out
this past weekend.

556
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,080
They made an unusual veer into
political commentary, which is

557
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,560
something they don't usually
touch on.

558
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,960
They talked about Democratic
Party's future, some state

559
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,040
politics.
But the take that really kind of

560
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,480
took off for them in a negative
way was how they discussed or

561
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,800
fervently stated their thoughts
that donating to Congresswoman

562
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,280
Jasmine Crockett's Senate
campaign for Texas would be a

563
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,360
waste of money.
Roger specifically said that

564
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,640
Crockett likely wouldn't win
statewide, citing past losses

565
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,920
for the Democratic Party, and
suggested that a less defined

566
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,960
political voice might have a
better shot.

567
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,400
Bowen Yang agreed with him in
the conversation.

568
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,520
This spurned immediate backlash
from countless people on across

569
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,200
social media.
There's accusations against them

570
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,320
being kind of out of touch,
specifically with these two

571
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,480
comedians having a large
audience that have no and having

572
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,600
no real political expertise, but
then commentating in this way

573
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,120
seems to be really just kind of
tone deaf.

574
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,800
There's also issues about
responsibility when you have a

575
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,400
large audience like that, and
that audience may take their

576
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,680
political cues from the host
without actually looking into

577
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,960
the subject of their discussion.
They did release a couple of

578
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,080
apologies, Matt Rogers saying
that the phrasing was not right,

579
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,560
Bo and Yang saying that they
should have been more careful in

580
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640
how they weighed in.
But overall, people are really

581
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,040
aren't taking the apologies for
what they seem to be.

582
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,280
And we want to see if there are
any potential commentaries from

583
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,080
the show's audience this
morning, or should I move on to

584
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,920
the next story?
Anyone want to respond Dave?

585
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,000
Yeah, just lesson #1 don't talk
politics on a show that's not

586
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,640
about politics, or you will lose
50% of your audience.

587
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,760
I mean, that's very wise, yes.
Yeah, I agree.

588
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,760
And that's why we don't often do
it, right?

589
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,240
I mean, this is a story about
how politics affected that

590
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,960
podcast, right?
But yeah, that's we specifically

591
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,920
avoid talking politics here
because this is not a show about

592
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,760
politics.
And I don't really honestly care

593
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,679
about anyone's opinion about
politics that it's in this room

594
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,280
during this hour.
I don't care.

595
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,800
Ralph, did you want to chime in?
OK, I'm going to take a counter

596
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,679
position here and I'm just going
to say that sometimes if it

597
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,880
speaks to who you are, as in
your character, your personal

598
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,000
brand, I let that slide a little
bit, but that's just me.

599
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,199
I think that if people tune out,
then those aren't your people

600
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:37,840
anyway.
But that's my personal opinion.

601
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,960
And in real life, I'm with you
there, Ralph.

602
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,719
I think during the hour of the
podcast, new morning chat

603
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,679
specifically, I just don't feel
like there's a good place,

604
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,840
there's a real place for
politics.

605
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,880
Alex, did you want to chime in?
I would say stay in your lane,

606
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,920
but the same time, hey, if
you're going to say something,

607
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,199
then there's a reaction to
things.

608
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,480
And I think that's the thing.
You can't have the, oh golly,

609
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,080
why are people so upset
attitude.

610
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,040
You're going to ruffle flathers
when you start diving on that.

611
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,560
And I think that's the biggest
problem.

612
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,200
But hey, it's your podcast.
You can do what you want.

613
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,840
Here's what we're going to do.
Thank you, Alex, BC I think

614
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,080
we're going to, we're going to
skip the second story for time's

615
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,840
sake because we've got a couple
of things to do, but we need to

616
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,240
come up with a name for this.
I feel like you had one working

617
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:24,040
title for this segment.
Yes, I was thinking like

618
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,360
celebrity mic mishaps or like
maybe like mic moments,

619
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,920
something like that.
I'm not quite sure where to go.

620
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,600
All right, we're going to keep
playing.

621
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,080
And if anybody listening is
wants to weigh in and give us a

622
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,080
title for this celebrity gossip
ish type of segment, by all

623
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,640
means send it our way.
But let me go to Sid who wanted

624
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:42,680
to comment.
Go ahead, Sid.

625
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,520
I think that this talks directly
to something that Dr. talked

626
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,680
about a few minutes ago, which
was the number five position on

627
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,200
Spotify and the impact of
political conversations, though

628
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,640
Rogan is very political, but he
has started to, I don't listen

629
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,960
to his podcast, but he has
started to take positions

630
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,480
against Trump and that is
costing him his audience.

631
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,080
He's talking very openly about
certain things that that his

632
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,240
base does not agree with.
And so he's losing his audience

633
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:15,600
and his drop in the charts is a
direct example of that.

634
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,040
So there is definitely, even for
really famous people like him,

635
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,160
there is definitely an impact
that can be had when you venture

636
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,200
to Alex's point outside of your
lane, but he's really in his

637
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,640
lane.
But when you really start

638
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,560
talking about things, especially
political related and hot topic

639
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,560
related, it can cost you your
audience.

640
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,080
And again, I think Rogan is an
example of his drop in the

641
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,160
charts.
Thank you, Sid, appreciate it.

642
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,640
And BC, did you want to add one
more thing before I want to go

643
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,000
to Dave Jackson in a second
because one of our news stories

644
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,440
today, something about Pod Page
and Dave is a part of the Pod

645
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,880
Page family.
So who better to go to than him?

646
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,760
So BC I'll give you the final
word and then we'll check in

647
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,320
with Dave and then we'll talk
about the Golden Globes.

648
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,280
Yeah.
And I think just from that take

649
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,880
right from right there, you
know, it kind of reminds us

650
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,880
that, you know, you got to be
mindful of how you built up your

651
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,280
audience in the 1st place.
You know, if you cater to a

652
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,480
certain side of the conversation
when you pivot, that's when, you

653
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,160
know, Joe would almost have to
decide to create a whole new

654
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,000
show, building an audience onto
that new take and keep the Joe

655
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,520
Rogan experience separate so
that he can almost maintain both

656
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:25,800
of them.
It probably doesn't make sense,

657
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,320
but be mindful of how the
foundation was built, otherwise

658
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,840
it's going to fall out from
under you.

659
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,840
Thank you BC Dave, I'm hoping
you haven't started boarding yet

660
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,240
because I have here on our list
that pod page promises an SEO

661
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,520
boost without the extra work.
And I thought, why am I going to

662
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,400
do this story when you're right
here on stage?

663
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,920
So would you tell us a little
bit about it?

664
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,600
It's called auto Link and in the
past, if you like, I listened,

665
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,200
there's a guy named Matt Monte.
He's a really huge SEO guy and

666
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,440
he always talks about when you
post A blog post or a podcast

667
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,240
episode.
Go find three other pages on

668
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,840
your website that are related to
the post that you just posted

669
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,760
and find a way to link those.
You know, you don't want them to

670
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,160
be completely disjointed, but if
it's somewhat related, find a

671
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,240
way to have a link from the
other pages to the one you just

672
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:23,480
wrote.
Well, pod page just made this

673
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,840
automatic.
You basically go in.

674
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,960
This is an elite feature, but if
you go into your episode, you

675
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,120
can set a keyword.
So let's say the keyword was

676
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,480
celebrity news, since that's
what we're kind of talking about

677
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,280
here.
Any place on my pod page site

678
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,080
that had the phrase celebrity
news would automatically turn

679
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,920
into a link and link to that one
page that you just said, hey,

680
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,200
this is the page on my website
where I talk about celebrity

681
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,280
news.
So it makes all these backlinks,

682
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,040
which then makes it more your
site, more indexable.

683
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,000
It backlinks, even if it's from
your yourself, can boost your

684
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,960
SEO and so you basically just
type in a couple words, hit save

685
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,840
and pod page does the rest.
Love that.

686
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,480
Thank you Dave.
Yeah, I watched your video, your

687
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,320
short video tutorial and got
really excited about it.

688
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:16,600
It is making me now consider
going up to elite status.

689
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,000
Yes, podcasting.
Morning chat is a member of the

690
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,840
pod page family.
I am a proud member.

691
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,920
Love the website, love how it
easy.

692
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,480
It makes everything.
I don't feel like it's another

693
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,600
extra, another burden in the
process of podcasting.

694
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,240
It makes everything so much more
simple.

695
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,880
And doing something like that
would be great for someone like

696
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:45,560
me who tends to unfortunately
avoid SEO stuff because it hurts

697
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,880
my head.
And this, this definitely makes

698
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,400
it easier.
So check out podpage.com and

699
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,080
we'll put a link to it.
Just Full disclosure, it is my

700
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,320
affiliate link.
So basically that just means I

701
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,560
get a little piece of the action
should you decide to go the pod

702
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,800
page route.
So check that out.

703
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,760
I'm skipping the line and
jumping to the main headline

704
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,120
today and I have a feeling this
may take us through the rest of

705
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,960
the episode.
We'll see because I do have some

706
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,960
other stories I wanted to share
if possible.

707
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,800
So if you haven't heard, if
you've been under a rock,

708
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,520
Hollywood finally noticed
podcasting and immediately hands

709
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,720
the trophy to a celebrity
shocker.

710
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:37,240
So the Golden Globes introduced
best podcast for the first time,

711
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,640
which I would say is a major
signal that podcasting is now

712
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,520
considered or heading toward
mainstream entertainment.

713
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,520
That doesn't mean that what
we're doing, in my opinion, the

714
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,360
rest of us, what we're doing, it
doesn't mean that's going away,

715
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,480
but it does it it is making an
impact on mainstream.

716
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,160
Amy Poehler won for good.
Hang with Amy Poehler beating

717
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,400
heavyweight shows like Call Her
Daddy, Smartless, Armchair

718
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,320
Expert, NPR, etcetera.
To many, the tone of the

719
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,440
presentation came across as as
mocking the medium, not

720
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,680
celebrating it, especially the
jokes around rambling hosts and

721
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:24,440
AD reads.
Many pros felt like the Globes

722
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,840
used podcasting for cultural
relevance without showing real

723
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,280
respect or understanding for the
craft.

724
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,160
There was frustration that
celebrity LED network backed

725
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,880
shows dominated the category,
reinforcing the idea that indie

726
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,000
and career podcasters were
invisible.

727
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,800
Several industry voices pointed
out that podcasting was treated

728
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,440
like a novelty, not a mature,
influential medium, and a

729
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,040
reoccurring segment was that
Hollywood is still looking at

730
00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:00,160
podcasting from the outside
rather than as a legitimate peer

731
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:06,240
to film and TVI will say Spotify
leadership called the win a

732
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:11,080
defining moment for podcasting,
reinforcing the platform arms

733
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:16,800
race around prestige and awards.
I have clips that I want to play

734
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,840
for everybody for more context.
And then I want to talk about

735
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,280
this because I do think there
are two sides to this.

736
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,280
I think I heavily lean toward
what I'll say is the opposite

737
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,600
side of me.
But first, let's play some of

738
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,520
these clips for you.
This is this first clip.

739
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,400
Oh yes, this is Snoop presenting
the award.

740
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,960
Or at least this is him walking
in starting the whole

741
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,800
presentation for best podcast
and it it cracked me up.

742
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,440
Stop the Music needs y'all to
loosen up a little bit.

743
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,720
This is the double G's.
The double G's is the Golden

744
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:58,440
Globes and you with the DO
double G.

745
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,880
So make sure you enjoy yourself.
Don't be no stiff biff.

746
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:07,880
Move around a little bit.
Best podcast is a very important

747
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,640
category for me because before a
podcast I was what you all

748
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,840
listened to driving around in
your car.

749
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,600
To you podcasters, y'all better
hope I don't get in that game.

750
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,320
Actually, I'm in that game.
Represent podcast.

751
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,160
It's popping right about now.
Believe me what I tell you.

752
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,800
But here are the nominees for
Best Podcast.

753
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,720
Roll the tape.
And then of course, they go and

754
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,840
roll the tape.
At first I did note, I feel like

755
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,640
there were some fake applause
that the Golden Globes was using

756
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,040
during the whole thing.
But look, I, I think the best

757
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,520
part of that little presentation
is the fact that, I mean, he was

758
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,880
kind of calling it out in a
serious way, right?

759
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,200
He was calling out the fact
that, yeah, you all were

760
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,000
listening to my music before
podcasting really took off,

761
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,880
quote, UN quote.
And now you've pushed me aside

762
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,440
and you're playing podcasts
instead.

763
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,880
And I, I loved that.
I respected that.

764
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,600
I thought that was a great nod
to the popularity of podcasting.

765
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,640
Now I'm going to play Amy
Poehler's acceptance speech for

766
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,280
you.
Wow.

767
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,040
Thank this is this is exactly
how I pictured it.

768
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,360
Snoop giving me the award.
Thank you so much.

769
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,280
Wow.
I, I, wow.

770
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,360
I don't know about award shows,
but when they get it right, it

771
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,960
makes sense.
Thank you so much for this.

772
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,800
First of all, thank you to Jenna
Weiss Berman, the best podcast

773
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,280
producer in the biz.
I share this win with you.

774
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,080
Thank you to Joel Lovell.
I love you.

775
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:52,120
Thank you for everything.
Thank you to Spotify and to Bill

776
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Simmons especially, who got this
from the beginning.

777
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,280
Thank you to everyone at The
Ringer and Paper Kite who make

778
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,240
the show with me.
Oh my God, what else?

779
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:02,120
I was going to say so many cool
things.

780
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,760
Oh, thank you to Ben Davis, Brad
Slater, Sharon Jackson, Dave,

781
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,280
Becky Warrender and Louis K Jeff
Moleman for always having my

782
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,680
back.
And I just want to say that I

783
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,520
know I am new to this game.
I have great respect for this

784
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,240
form.
I have great respect for all the

785
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,080
people that I am nominated with.
I am big fans of all of you

786
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:30,960
except for NPR.
Just a bunch of celebs phoning

787
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,280
it in.
So try harder.

788
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,640
But this is an attempt to try to
make a very rough and unkind

789
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,680
world filled with a little bit
more love and laughter and

790
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,280
laughing with people, not at
them.

791
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,080
And we just have such a good
time making it.

792
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,240
And thank you so much for
letting us make more.

793
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,320
Archie and Abel, I love you.
Congratulations to Amy Poehler.

794
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,480
I liked her speech.
It made me smile and I I don't

795
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,760
have a problem with the Golden
Globes recognizing podcasting

796
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,560
and only focusing on
celebrities.

797
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,480
To me, this is publicity for the
industry.

798
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,640
And of course, there is a whole
side of podcasting that's

799
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,040
currently being ignored by the
Golden Globes.

800
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,120
But we got to start somewhere.
This is the first step.

801
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,200
To me.
It doesn't bother me.

802
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,960
It just doesn't bother me.
But I know it bothers others.

803
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:31,080
But I'm curious among the group,
did the Golden Globes, was it,

804
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,840
was it funny what they were
doing for podcasting or did it

805
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,840
feel uncomfortable?
Do you think they were

806
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,800
disrespecting it?
Go ahead, Alex.

807
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,960
I'll start with you.
I think it was great.

808
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,640
You have to kind of poke fun at
it because you know what?

809
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,120
At the end of the day, they can
laugh at it all they want, but

810
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,400
they're all making money off of
it and they're all laughing

811
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,160
straight to the bank until they
can do their quote UN quote real

812
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,600
job.
I use that in quotes, but I

813
00:46:54,600 --> 00:47:00,960
equate that award to when they
started with the Grammys with

814
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:06,840
best rap and best heavy metal,
and Jethro Tull won and

815
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,560
everybody's like, Oh my God,
they're not even a heavy metal

816
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,760
band.
So I mean, you got to start

817
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,840
somewhere and you could have
your own pocket.

818
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,560
I mean, obviously you could have
your own podcast.

819
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,560
How do you define a whole genre
with one podcast?

820
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,080
I mean, that's the hard part.
But hey, you know, she won.

821
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:28,400
I loved, I loved her quote about
NPR because they kind of put a

822
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,520
bow on the whole industry that
it's not just a bunch of celebs.

823
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,320
There are people that are doing
real work and there's people

824
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,760
from all genres.
One thing that I think is flying

825
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,800
over some people's head in the
industry is the fact that the

826
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,080
entire Golden Globes at least up
and I stopped probably watching

827
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,000
after the podcast category.
And that's just 'cause I'm not

828
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,200
so into those shows.
But leading up through through

829
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,560
through that segment, everybody
was being made fun of.

830
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,280
The industry, the shows, the
movies, the celebrities in the

831
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,640
audience.
It was a giant roast.

832
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,600
So it would have been weird to
me if all of a sudden

833
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,520
podcasting, whenever it's talked
about, we're all of a sudden

834
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,680
respecting the the art and the
platform.

835
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,680
That to me just wouldn't have
fit.

836
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,960
That's a really good point
because they did.

837
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,520
They roasted everybody.
And who do you roast?

838
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,360
You roast people you love.
When you're with your best

839
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,800
friends and you're hanging out
and you all start cracking on

840
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,080
each other.
You don't do that to a stranger.

841
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,080
That would be mean.
The thing that just made me

842
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,240
cringe was they did a parody.
I have that of a commercial.

843
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:43,360
I could OK, they make fun of the
ads and to me, when you do a

844
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,360
parody of something, you find
one thing.

845
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,520
So when you know, Dana Carvey
back in the day was interviewing

846
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,400
George Bush, you know the whole
not going to do it.

847
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,600
Like he never really said that,
but he kind of did it and Dana

848
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,040
exaggerated it.
And so there's a little bit of

849
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,240
truth there and then you
exaggerate it.

850
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:05,080
That's what makes it funny.
And so here they're picking on

851
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,200
the ads, especially in the one
part and I, I really believe,

852
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:11,920
especially with AI, that's, you
know, the, the companies that

853
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,160
are doing 3000 downloads an
episode, those people will take

854
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,320
whatever CPM you offer them, no
matter how low it is.

855
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,600
So thank you and welcome to the
race to the bottom.

856
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,680
But I listen to a couple shows
that have gone from used to be,

857
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,080
Hey, all your news in less than
10 minutes is now, Hey, all your

858
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,200
news in less than 15 minutes.
We got to, we got to cram a

859
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,520
couple more ads in here because
I got kids to feed.

860
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,160
So that was the part that made
me cringe, but it made me cringe

861
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,760
because it's kind of true.
It's not always true, but it's

862
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,480
kind of true.
So that, But now the flip side

863
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,960
of that is, like you said to me,
I remember so ecstatic when

864
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,920
Saturday Night Live made fun of
cereal because I was like, wait

865
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,600
a minute, we are mainstream.
If it's on Saturday Night Live,

866
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,800
it's mainstream.
And the fact that it is the

867
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,600
Golden Globes and realized
there's got to be some sort of

868
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,400
weird political thing going on
there.

869
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,320
So Joe Rogan wasn't even
nominated.

870
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,720
I'm like, come on.
Like, we talk about him on this

871
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:07,960
show all the time, how he's
always on the top list, but he

872
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,960
didn't get even a nomination.
So I'm not really worried about

873
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,120
who won.
But the parody thing was kind of

874
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,080
like, and especially when
they're pulling actual clips, it

875
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,520
wasn't like they were making
this like, no, no, this is an

876
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,000
actual part of a podcast.
That was the one that was like,

877
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,120
yeah, the truth kind of hurts
sometimes.

878
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,560
Agreed.
Yes, Dave, thank you for your

879
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,200
take as well.
And yeah, I just a couple other

880
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,000
little notes that I have here
is, you know, one thing, I think

881
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,160
it might have been Elsie who
posted something about this, or

882
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,360
if it wasn't, it was somebody
that in the industry and they

883
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,680
were recognizing the fact that
Amy Poehler, if you go back and

884
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,840
watch her first couple of
episodes, they were really

885
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,520
thrown together.
It felt a little bit more like

886
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:56,400
what we all here know of as far
as podcasting goes, right?

887
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,840
She she really threw it together
there that she didn't have a

888
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,080
fancy studio yet.
It seemed like she was kind of

889
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,680
winging it as she went.
And you can see as as she goes,

890
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:11,240
the evolution of the show.
Granted, she's got it more of an

891
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:13,360
advantage than a lot of us do,
right?

892
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,960
She's a celebrity.
She has money.

893
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,280
She's got a a production company
behind her.

894
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,280
She's got a network behind her.
There are lots of factors that

895
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,920
we don't have.
But still, I like the fact that,

896
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:30,600
yeah, she's newer.
She started rough and grew from

897
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,320
there.
And I think that's really

898
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,480
important to to point out.
I can play this clip.

899
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:38,600
You know what?
I'm not going to play it because

900
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,400
it's hard to translate when it's
just audio.

901
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,240
It was a spoof off of if you go,
if any of hear anyone still here

902
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:49,120
goes to the movies on occasion.
If you go to an AMC theater,

903
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,640
it's the whole Nicole Kidman.
It's a parody of her introducing

904
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,200
AMC and movies and how wonderful
and special they are.

905
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,480
And this was a parody with
Nikki, Nikki Glaser doing the

906
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,200
same thing but with podcasting
and really poking fun at the

907
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,200
whole thing.
And like Dave said, making fun

908
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,240
of all the ads and all the other
things that that go on in

909
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,320
podcasting.
I thought that was cool too.

910
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,120
BC did you have anything you
wanted to add?

911
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,040
I know you earlier I saw you
flash that you wanted to say

912
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,240
something.
I wonder if part of that

913
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:24,720
awkwardness that we're feeling
regarding our place in this

914
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,200
arena is more internalized.
You know, we're both the the new

915
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,320
kid in the room, but we're also
getting a lot of attention.

916
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,160
It's like looking at all the
other categories being like,

917
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,720
yeah, hi.
You know, we know that you're

918
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:37,760
used to being here, but we're we
were invited.

919
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,000
So get used to it, you know?
So I'm wondering if that's kind

920
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,360
of what we're experiencing is
we're talking about this

921
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,760
possible awkwardness.
But that's right, That's all.

922
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaking of awkward, the last
thing I'll say, which isn't

923
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,840
directly, well, which isn't
podcast related at all, they had

924
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,720
this year, they had two people
doing commentary throughout the

925
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,840
whole thing.
So instead of having the

926
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,000
professional voice over, you
know, saying tonight's winner is

927
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,920
Amy Poehler, this is her first
year podcasting, blah, blah,

928
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,120
blah.
As she's walking up to the

929
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,840
stage, right?
There's that announcer that's

930
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,680
doing that thing.
This year they had two

931
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,680
commentary, 2 commentators.
These much like you would see

932
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,320
almost when you're watching
football, right?

933
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,920
They're like talking a little
bit about the person and it's a

934
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,400
little more casual.
I did not like it, but I think

935
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,120
what would have been better is
if they had two really polished

936
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:32,600
podcasters, and maybe these guys
are, and I didn't even know it,

937
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:38,000
but I don't think so because one
was a guy from maybe E or one of

938
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,680
those shows, but I have two
podcasters doing it, people with

939
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,960
the gift of gab.
I think that would have been

940
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,680
interesting and it would have
been a nice nod, the podcasting

941
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,080
doing something like that.
Another idea maybe if your name

942
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,680
is called, go to the stage,
don't stop, do not pass go, do

943
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,520
not collect $200, go to the
stage.

944
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,080
It took people like 5 minutes to
get to the stage and that's why

945
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,600
people had to vamp.
I was like, and I guess you

946
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,000
can't set them up front because
then everybody knows who's going

947
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,120
to win.
But it just seemed like it took

948
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,680
forever to get to the stage,
which is why you had these guys

949
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,040
vamping.
And they're like, okay, we've

950
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,680
got 2 paragraphs to sit here.
And like you said, Amy Poehler,

951
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,320
this is her third nomination and
first win.

952
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,000
And then and then they were kind
of like ran out of stuff.

953
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,240
And they're like, yeah, I did
just.

954
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,880
So that was just awkward for a
lot of the broad.

955
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,720
Yeah, it was awkward.
And it was funny, too.

956
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,840
They took her forever.
Amy Poehler forever.

957
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,880
Like, she was looking around,
like, how do I get up on stage?

958
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,840
How do you not know how to get
to the stage?

959
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,960
You've seen other people do it.
And she was fumbling around

960
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,920
trying to find her way.
Alex.

961
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,680
Yeah, I think the Golden Globes
are a little bit different

962
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,640
because one, it's a dinner and I
am trying to give them a little

963
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,880
grace because the Golden Globes
has always been like that versus

964
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,560
all the other ones because
they're all half, they're all

965
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,480
half baked or half drunk because
they've been drinking all day.

966
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,200
And the table settings, I
totally get what you guys are

967
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,880
saying.
I'm just saying that's the one

968
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:13,560
that's really not conducive for
award for lack of a better term.

969
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,000
But I think you know what, you
have to start somewhere.

970
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,360
And in terms of that skit or
whatever it was, I thought it

971
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,680
was great because all I was
thinking was Sid with when he's

972
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,200
listening to Mel Robbins or
whatever, whatever he's doing.

973
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:27,440
And he's, that's exactly what I
was thinking of.

974
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,120
Like with all the damn
commercials.

975
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:30,560
That's right.
I was too.

976
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,280
So funny.
That's funny to say that Sid did

977
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,560
come to mind for me too when he
was sharing.

978
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,640
Yeah.
All he does is complain about

979
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,560
those damn commercials.
But it's true.

980
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:44,200
I mean, do better guys.
Thank you, Alex.

981
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,080
God, Dave.
One of the thing when part of

982
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,960
that, if you aren't aware of
what a podcast is and you think

983
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,920
they're just crammed full of ads
and nonsense, when they hear

984
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,160
your show and it's not crammed
full of nonsense and ads,

985
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,200
they're going to go wow.
They kind of set the bar low in

986
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,720
a way for those that have never
listened to a podcast.

987
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,360
So maybe that's a good thing.
Yeah, maybe that's true.

988
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,440
I didn't get to all the stories.
I do want to get to Ralph real

989
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,120
quick because Ralph is going to
be taking over the first chair,

990
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,360
as we call it tomorrow when I am
at Pod Fest.

991
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,160
And Ralph, do you want to tease
what's coming up for tomorrow?

992
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,560
Absolutely.
You know, we usually do a

993
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,840
podcast.
Evaluation on Thursdays.

994
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,320
Well, tomorrow we're going to
talk about how you can make

995
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,360
yourself open for feedback
without getting defensive.

996
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,960
That's the whole thing of what
we're going to talk about

997
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,440
tomorrow.
So I hope you join us on

998
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,400
tomorrow's It's my first time,
you know, facilitating this, so

999
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,520
bear with me, but we're going to
have a great discussion.

1000
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:43,480
I know Ralph can handle it and I
know the.

1001
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,280
Team is standing by to support
Ralph, so come join if you are a

1002
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,040
listener, come join live here on
Clubhouse YouTube.

1003
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,720
Well tomorrow it'll just be
Clubhouse.

1004
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,560
So come join us live on
Clubhouse, support Ralph,

1005
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,960
support the team and learn a few
things while you're at it.

1006
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,720
I will join when possible.
I may pop in tomorrow and I will

1007
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:09,360
do my best to also pop in Friday
to give you a quick update on

1008
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,720
how my presentation went.
So stay tuned for that.

1009
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,680
And thank you in advance to
everybody who's holding down the

1010
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:20,760
Fort while I'm gone.
So until tomorrow, make it a

1011
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,960
great day everybody take care.