358-What Camp Footprint Taught Me

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Good morning podcasting morning
chat.

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Today is Tuesday, August 26th,
2025, and today the mic turns my

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way as I unpack how volunteering
at Camp Footprint reshaped my

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approach to podcasting with
fresh takes on presence,

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community building, and showing
up with the authenticity.

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Thanks for being here.
Good morning again, podcasting,

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Morning chat.
Thanks so much for being here.

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Welcome back.
I am your host Mark Ronic and

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here on stage with me we have
producer Ashley Feller, Nick

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Naulback, Dr. Fey, Jonathan
Howard, Sid Meadows and also

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Chris Baglio has joined us as
well.

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I'll explain why Chris is up
here already on stage in a

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moment.
First, thank you for allowing me

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to take.
I was just talking to YouTube

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Live 'cause I go live first
there before we go live here and

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I was saying this has been, I
believe 19 days since I've been

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here with you.
As some of you know, I part of

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the reason was I took a little
over a week off to from work

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from life to go volunteer at a
summer camp, an overnight camp

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for kids with the disability CMT
Charcot Marie tooth disease.

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And that's actually I know DRI
know you had said while I was

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out in my absence that this is
something I've done yearly and

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it's actually not.
This was the first time that

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I've done this.
So I just first let me just make

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sure.
Can you hear me OK?

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We can hear you, Mark.
Oh, OK, I am confused but DRI

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can't hear you for some reason,
but that the fact that I could

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hear Ashley makes me feel
better.

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Ashley, can you come on, Mike,
real quick?

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Absolutely.
Good morning.

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OK, Dr., I'm going to try you
once more.

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Dr. we can't hear you.
I'm not even seeing your little

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profile light up when you talk
here on Clubhouse.

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You may want to leave and come
back because Dr. has a whole

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bunch of questions prepared for
me, I believe, about my trip.

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So we need to figure out what's
going on with Dr. Anyway, so I

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spent a week at this camp and I
got to tell you, it really was.

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If you saw my Facebook post, if
you saw my newsletter that came

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out this past week, this was a
really big life changing

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experience for me.
And 1st, I should say just a

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little bit about Camp Footprint
just to set it up and then we'll

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come back to the whole
experience in a moment.

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But it is a place where kids and
actually adults too with CMT

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arrive.
And as I said in the Facebook

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post, immediately feel proud,
free and deeply connected.

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I wish I could just transport
you there to really feel what it

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feels like to be there.
But from the moment it begins,

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you see these kids instantly
transform.

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Everyone feels like they belong.
Nobody's worried about what

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others think about them and
their disability.

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Everyone celebrated.
And the thing that really blows

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me away is I heard several times
from counselors, from campers,

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those that have CMT, that they
say how grateful they are to

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actually have CMT because
without it, they probably

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wouldn't have found each other.
They wouldn't have had this

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particular community.
And there's a lot more to the to

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it to unpack.
So we will do that first.

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Let me check in with DRDR. Can
we hear you now?

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Let's see.
No, we are still not hearing Dr.

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OK, I will work with Dr. behind
the scenes.

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I want to first check in with
Chris Vaglio, long time

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community member of the
podcasting morning chat.

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In fact, technically longer than
me because he was here when this

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thing first started up and I
rebooted it a few years ago.

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And Chris also the host of Song
Swap Showdown.

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It's been Co Co hosting that
show with our friend Amanda

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Sharp, who joins us regularly
here.

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And I, I'm sure some of you who
follow Chris already know about

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the particular announcement that
I'm kind of teasing here, but I

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wanted Chris to share a little
bit here with us as well.

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So, Chris, please share a little
bit about what's going on with

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Song Swap Showdown and good
morning to you.

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Hey, good morning to you too.
It's been a hot minute since

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I've been on, but happy to be
back and talk a little bit about

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what's going on.
Yeah, like Mark said, for

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anybody that follows the show
regularly, we have a lot of

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friends in this room.
I'm sure a lot of you have been

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up to date at least to a point
as to what's going on.

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Released a video the other day
too, sort of explaining to our

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community what's happening.
And you know, and this is the

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topic that's been talked about
on this show many times, which

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was about changes in podcasts
and partnerships.

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So what happened is that we've
been doing this show now for

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over 5 years together.
Really started right out of this

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community.
Amanda and I connected through

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this community, became friends,
started creating content

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together.
She was on my podcast at the

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time and then it turned into
Song Swap Showdown because we

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wanted to do a show together.
Wound up starting out on

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Fireside when that was a thing.
You know, we've done the show

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consistently weekly on Mondays
live from 8:00 to 9:00,

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sometimes 8 to 10.
We've gone back and forth

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between two hours and 1 hours
pretty much every week though.

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I mean, it's you know, it
doesn't seem like a lot, but

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it's a lot when you're doing it
live a week.

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We had it down to a formula.
We had a good template going so

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we would cut down on time.
But you know, Amanda is to me

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like she's the gold of the show.
My Co host.

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It works really well because
she's not super music savvy and

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I tend to be more music savvy.
So it's it's always was really

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fun and the music was sort of
the point of talking.

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But the real kind of magic was
the two of us, you know, going

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on back and forth in our
personalities and everything.

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Anyway, so we decided that for
the first time ever in the

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history of the show, we would
take the summer off, or at least

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part of the summer.
So we decided to take July off.

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her and I have both had a lot of
stuff going on in our lives.

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2025 has been a very weird year.
A lot has happened all at once,

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and I feel like I've still been
processing this year even as

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we're winding it down.
Amanda got involved in a lot of

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different things.
She has a business as well. her

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and I both have businesses that
we run.

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She her business, she's poured a
lot of time and energy and

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effort into into getting that
off the ground.

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And part of that has been to be
involved in a lot of things

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going on in her town to help the
business district there grow, to

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make Ida an actual destination.
This woman, you guys know

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Amanda, but she's probably one
of the hardest working people

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and most determined people I've
ever met.

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She motivates me.
I feed off her energy.

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So with that being said, we
decided to take July off kind of

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recent or recharge a bit.
And we took July.

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And then as we were getting
closer to the end of July, I

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started saying, hey, you want to
set the date for our comeback.

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Then she asked for a little bit
more time off and I said, of

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course, no problem, Andy, you
take as much time as you want.

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So I started going back on and
at least doing live just to sort

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of reactivate the community and
keep everybody engaged.

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And then I cloud out asked her,
you know, if she wanted to

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continue doing the show, if she
was ready to move on, like what

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did she want to do?
And ultimately, she came to the

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decision that with everything
going on, she was going to step

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back from doing the show.
So it wasn't a surprise.

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I expected it to happen.
Her and I are on great terms.

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We love each other, going to
ask.

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About friends.
I think that's important to know

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like it, you know, is because
I'm sure that's one thing that

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people are thinking like, OK,
how are Chris and Amanda now

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that this has happened?
We are great.

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I mean, we honestly, we, we
still talk in our chat like

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weekly.
We share a lot of personal stuff

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with each other still.
She's my best friend and I know

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she's shared that sentiment of
me too.

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I mean, we have become very,
very close to each other and you

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know, and share a lot of
personal stuff with each other.

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So it's, you know, we're more
than just Co hosts.

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We are still friends and, and
obviously, you know, and I, she

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knows this.
I mean, this is our show.

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We created this thing together
and I, and if she wasn't OK with

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me continuing on, she would tell
me and we talked about it and I

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said, would you mind if I
continued on if I got a new Co

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host?
I wasn't even sure if I was even

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going to do another Co host.
I didn't know if I was even

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going to continue doing song
swap showdown.

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I was thinking about maybe
starting to do stuff on my own.

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But honestly, I love it better
with a Co host.

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It's just more fun for me as a
creator to have someone to

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bounce off of.
So we talked about it and she

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was like, listen, you pretty
much, you know, whatever you

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want to do is up to you.
I'm fine.

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And I've I've always told her
she has an open door, like even

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if she ever wants to just come
on as a one time or whatever,

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kind of how she, you know, when
she comes back on this show

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every now and then.
So we decided, you know, I'm

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going to keep the show going.
And I was supposed to have a

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debut brand new episode last
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And then of course, there was an
Internet outage here in my area,

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which didn't come back on until
about ten 11:00 last night.

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So and I was like, well, maybe I
can hotspot it with my phone.

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Yeah.
Trying to hotspot and stream

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video over the Internet isn't
always a viable solution.

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It was like barely crawling.
So I'm like, I forget it.

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We're just pulling the plug on
tonight and let's do it again.

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We'll just do it tomorrow.
So it's actually technically

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tonight.
Yes, tonight debuting a new

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episode of Song Swap Show on
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We changed the time too, so now
we're going to be on instead of

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doing an 8:00 AM Monday morning
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Monday evening show is going to
be except for this, which is

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except for this week, it'll be
Tuesday at 7:00 AM and maybe

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next week too because it's a
holiday.

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So oh.
That's true, yeah.

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So maybe that's a sign Chris
that maybe Tuesdays are are your

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night.
So you do have a new Co host,

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you're just not revealing who
that Co host is yet.

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I do have a new Co host and
yeah, I, I figure I'll leave it

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for a surprise for anybody
that's curious and wants to tune

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in.
I mean, I know Mark, you know

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who it is already.
And, and of course Amanda does

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too.
And a few people close know who

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it is already.
And you know, and listen, it's

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all fun.
We'll give it a try.

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We'll see how it goes.
You know, it's either going to

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work or it's not.
So we're we're excited to get it

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going again.
I mean, listen, it took Amanda

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and I probably about, I think
like 10 episodes before we

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started fitting into a groove.
So I know it's not going to be

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the same show, so to speak.
I mean, it's different energy.

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Amanda's irreplaceable and what
Amanda brings is what Amanda

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brings.
Like, it's going to be a

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different feel for sure, and
we'll get into a groove.

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The format is still the same
though, so that's not changing.

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It's just probably going to be a
little different energy I would

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think just 'cause you know,
Amanda's Amanda, there's only

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one Amanda in this world and
Amanda does what Amanda does

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best and, and which is fine.
And my Co host is not looking to

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be Amanda.
Part 2.

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It's not no.
And like you said, I do know and

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I will say you did you, you'd
made a smart move, you found

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somebody that you have strong
chemistry with already.

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And I think that will help a lot
with the transition because

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that's the big, that's the big
challenge for podcasters.

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If you do lose a Co host and you
want to bring in another one, or

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even if you decide not to, it's
it changes things for your

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audience.
It's a new landscape, it's a new

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place.
You know, they have to get used

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to the change and to bring
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should be pretty funny.
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add for some really good humor.
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fun fact will definitely be
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get a get a kick out of it.
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used to doing the show together
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like more things will, you know,
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start playing with a bunch of
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member of the band in, like,
they bring a lot.

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get that chemistry again.
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already.
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So it should be fun.
I'm looking forward to it.

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I was kind of like, oh, I can't
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we can't do this until tomorrow.
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It's, you know, it's not like
we're, you know, saving lives

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here.
We wish you all the luck in the

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world.
You have our full support.

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We're going to put a link in the
show notes so people can go and

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check out the new debut then all
new look of song swap showdown

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and by the wayside note for
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I did talk to Amanda.
She is going to be joining us

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this Friday to share a little
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because look, I think I think
and I'm this is my

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interpretation.
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but from what I'm hearing from
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Amanda, it sounds like she's at
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podcasting and that's going to
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morning chat as well.
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Friday to so we can pick her
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she's up to next.
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the founder of the original
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It wouldn't be right not to have
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about what's next.
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as well.
And again, best of luck to Chris

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with that.
I'd like to transition into this

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experience I had at Camp
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That's the name of the camp I
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And really, I know some of you
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to do this?
How is he going to thread this

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needle on a show about
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Well, I mean, I think I've
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through this volunteering.
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podcasting.
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with you, I'm not even sure how
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I think that I'm still
processing and all I can tell

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you from the start here is that
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different.
Something is going to change,

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whether it's specific to this
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specific to the Empowered
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of the above.
I still haven't figured it all

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out yet, but there will be
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have figured out.
So Dr. has prepared some

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questions and where we've got
all these people on stage who

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Alex Baelish has joined us, Jeff
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And everybody and anybody is
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along the way about my
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This is not just a solo
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has some questions for me to
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going.
First, let's make sure DRS Mic

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is working now.
Dr. Good morning.

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Can you or oh, wait, it's 718,
you're cooking and we still

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don't hear Dr. Darn it, this is
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interesting.
Dr. We still can't hear you.

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Ashley, I know you have some of
the questions as well, or some

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of your own, maybe even.
Would you be open to kicking us

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off while Dr. tries to figure
out her tech issue?

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Should we start with the ice
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Sure.
Yeah, let's do that.

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Why don't and why don't you go
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icebreaker.
We'll ask the room if anybody

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wants to share some of their
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Go ahead.
So when was the last time that

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you experienced something and
this can be either a trip, a

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movie, a lecture, a meeting with
someone, etcetera, that had a

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true impact on you, the kind of
impact that has stayed with you

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till this day?
I'll, I'll make my answer short

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and sweet.
And that is just about any music

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festival that I've ever attended
intended.

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There's something about them.
I go there, I love being out

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with nature, I love being with
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And when I come home, I always
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been like that.
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that.
And I love your answer too.

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And I want to encourage anybody,
if you have any experience and

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you know, Ashley gave you a few
different options and it doesn't

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have to be from that list.
You know, mine is doesn't fit in

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that list, right?
Mine was an experience

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volunteering at a summer camp.
Does anybody have anything that

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they want to share an experience
that you really feel like after

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going through it, it really
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And if not, I'll let people
think about it and we can move

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on to the first question that
Dr. and Ashley had for me.

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And again, Ashley, I'm going to
go to you because at the very

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least, Dr. is cooking right now
and hopefully her tech issues

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will go away.
So why don't you take it away

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with the first question?
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And and by the way, I loved your
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I was reading it to myself and
you wrote in your newsletter

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that you didn't come back from
camp with any new podcasting

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tips or any gear reviews, but
with something that was even

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more valuable.
So how was that shift in

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perspective change the way you
approach your work from

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day-to-day now?
I was going to just say it's

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maybe a new daily rule, but it's
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I think it's just a, A, a
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which is people 1st.
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further, I would say it's
actually the rule is people

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first, then the content and then
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It's not to say that it hasn't
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It's just after going through
this experience, it's now people

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first more than ever.
So why do I say this?

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I think when you talk about the
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people and everybody felt, at
least from what I saw, everyone

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felt seen, everyone felt heard.
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leadership, which I we'll get
into some of that too, because I

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think leadership is a big key in
podcasting as well.

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But it made me recognize that
people, no matter how many you

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have, you got to start with
serving the people 1st and

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building a community first.
I guess what I'm getting at here

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is that the way I want to do
this moving forward is each

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morning I'm planning on and
including today setting an

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intention.
Who will I make feel seen today?

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You know it can be 1 listener,
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one of my Co hosts.
Maybe then I want to send them a

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short note of voice memo,
something that I can let them

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know that, you know, I felt the
connection with them today, not

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just leaving it on the show and
walking away until tomorrow.

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Like really connecting with the
people that I feel like either

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made an impact or were impacted.
I talked about the Candyman,

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which we'll get into.
This was a role that I had at

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camp, but it taught me a lot
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So what with the candy man
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For those of you who haven't
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brought to the camp this year.
And granted, it sounds a little

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creepy when you think about it.
Here's a grown man offering

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candy to adults, but we made it
a thing.

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You, you think of it like the
ice cream man, but just change

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it to candy and it's all free.
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a golf cart, because that's
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I had a golf cart cart with a
little flatbed behind it with

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lots of candy loaded in there.
And I went around and joined all

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the different activities and
they all, all the kids would

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line up behind me and ask for,
you know, well, ask for the

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different kinds of candy I had
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It was a lot of fun.
And we'll, we'll get into it

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more throughout this thing.
But it really showed me that,

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you know, creating rituals,
creating something special is

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something I really want to add
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Something playful that really
lets people loosen up, invites

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them in.
So I don't know what that is

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yet.
And I do recognize these are

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some things that I have
attempted to do before, right?

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Like, for example, we play games
sometimes, sometimes if those of

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you who remember couple years
ago, we used to do the wheel of

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topics.
We haven't done the wheel of

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topics in a while, right?
But that's that's adding a

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ritual, that's adding something
to the show that connects

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people.
So something like that, trying

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to do that more often and
finding the ones that work and

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really leaning into those.
I love that Mark and I love what

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you said about recognizing how
to make everybody feel seen.

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I think it was Mary Kay Ash that
said everyone is walking around

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with an invisible that sign that
says please see me.

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So the fact that you recognize
that is is really valuable.

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And it sounds like you may have
even recognized a part of your

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younger self.
You know, you mentioned in your

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newsletter that you reconnected
with little Mark at Camp

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Footprint.
What does keeping that version

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of yourself look like like in
practice with when you're behind

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the mic?
This whole thing about Little

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Mark, I've, I touched on it in
that newsletter and in that

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Facebook post and I actually
came into camp really hoping to

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reconnect with my inner child,
which which I'm calling Little

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Mark, right?
Camp is something that made a

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huge impact in my life and
continued into adulthood way

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past going to camp.
My closest relationships in my

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life are with people that I went
to camp with as a kid.

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Not high school, not college.
I mean, sure, I keep up with

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relationships from those areas
of my life, but not the deep,

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meaningful ones.
Those all come from camp,

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including the woman that I'm
married to and my best friend

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who runs that camp.
So camp is important to me.

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It means a lot to me.
I think one of the biggest

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things that it reminds me of
going back after all these years

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is I don't play enough as a kid.
I wish Yvonne was here right now

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because I think Yvonne would be
jumping for joy right now just

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in the fact that I'm saying I
need to play more.

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I've gotten way too serious.
I, I see it now that I spent

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this week away being a kid
again.

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And of course there's a time and
a place for being serious.

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Oh, and then there's Yvonne.
Just when I mentioned her,

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Yvonne, I'm talking about being
a kid and playing more.

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And I'm recognizing that from my
experience of volunteering at

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camp, how much I've stopped
doing that and I've incorporated

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some things.
I think these improv classes

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that I continue to take is part
of that play, but I need to do

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more of it and I want to do more
of it no matter what I'm doing.

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I think that for me, and I see
it in others, not everyone, but

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I see it in others.
I think that we put on the

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professional hats or our podcast
host hats and we show up as

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somebody a little bit different
than who we believe we are truly

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authentically right.
We feel like we have to be a

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certain way sometimes for an
audience or for a community, and

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what I'm finding is that the
more I'm actually just being who

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I am and playing more and having
fun and not taking things so

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seriously all the time, that's
what connects me with people.

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I think what I'm going to do
again, I'm going to add more

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playful rituals like I talked
about a moment ago, like adding

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more games, adding more segments
that just feel more fun that we

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can also learn from.
But sometimes maybe it's just to

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have a little fun to help us all
loosen up a little bit.

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So yeah, I hope I've answered
your question, but that's what I

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mean by connecting with little
Mark and how I feel like it's

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going to pour into how I podcast
Ashley.

445
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,400
Very cool.
And I have a question just

446
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,920
because I've never had the sleep
away camp experience that I know

447
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,600
about camp footprint having done
a little bit of work with the

448
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,040
CMTA and that is, you know, in
the way that the actual camp is

449
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,960
run.
When you get up in the morning,

450
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,720
do people kind of like have
breakfast and then break off

451
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,800
into activities and then
everybody kind of comes together

452
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,960
in the evening for one big group
outing?

453
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,560
How does it work?
Yeah, it's a pretty typical way

454
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,040
that a summer camp, overnight
camp is run.

455
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,520
You wake up for breakfast,
everybody does breakfast

456
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,480
together at like 8:30, and that
goes on for like an hour or so.

457
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,400
With this camp, what they do is
after breakfast, they all get

458
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,920
together in that same dining
hall area and they do something

459
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,960
called chair dancing.
CMT affects your legs and arms,

460
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,960
more specifically wrists,
fingers, hands and ankles, feet

461
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,440
and toes.
So they do chair dancing because

462
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,600
some of these kids can't stand
on their own and they are in a

463
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,600
wheelchair and other kids it's
just uncomfortable to stand for

464
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,280
long periods of time or dance
for any period of time.

465
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,600
So they do this thing called
chair dancing and it's

466
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,360
choreographed and led by a
professional dancer.

467
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,760
So it's it's really fun, really
cool and a great way to start

468
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,720
the day for these kids.
And everyone gets back together

469
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,840
for lunch and then a couple of
activities in the afternoon and

470
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,280
then dinner.
And then there's always a camp

471
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,160
wide activity in the evening
time and then everyone goes to

472
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,120
bed.
That's basically how it's around

473
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,280
Ashley.
And you know, just because it's

474
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,720
an event, there's always
something unexpected that

475
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,080
happens in the operations, like
maybe somebody thinks they

476
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,200
ordered something and it doesn't
come in.

477
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,040
Was there any kind of snafus
where in the moment it was like,

478
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,280
oh, shoot, where is that thing
or why didn't that thing work

479
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,280
right?
And now it's kind of humorous.

480
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,720
Anything like that?
Great question.

481
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,720
I think that at a camp in this
one too, you know, there are

482
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,600
always moments like that and
it's not that big of a stress.

483
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,200
I mean, it's it's a concern and
then you have a whole team of

484
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,320
people and it gets handled
pretty quickly.

485
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,800
So, you know, I think like the
biggest issue was maybe that I

486
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,240
can think of off the top of my
head was the one day that

487
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,520
there's an off camp, off site
gathering it.

488
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,560
It's at a lake that's nearby,
probably 20 minutes away.

489
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,560
And there the week was calling
for rain that day all week long.

490
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,640
It was calling for rain all day
long.

491
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,360
And so we last minute pivoted
and had to switch a lot of

492
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,200
things around, you know, from
one day to the other.

493
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,920
So Wednesday became Thursday,
Thursday became Wednesday.

494
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,720
And of course then there was no
rain at all that day.

495
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,960
But we were prepared for it and
we just rolled with it, which I

496
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,680
guess is also a lesson too,
right?

497
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,880
There's going to always be
issues, like we're dealing with

498
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,400
an issue right now with Dr. not
being able to, not her mic isn't

499
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,120
working and you got to roll with
it and just find another way to

500
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,160
do it and always have some
backup plans, which we did in

501
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,720
this case.
We had Ashley prepared as well.

502
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440
So there you go.
That's exactly what we're doing.

503
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,640
I encourage anybody who has any
questions, please come up and

504
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,960
feel free to engage with our
conversation.

505
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,400
Until then, I'm going to try to
pull it back to podcasting.

506
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,560
You know, community could
sometimes feel like a buzzword

507
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,600
in podcasting.
We hear it all the time.

508
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,360
And from your perspective, what
differentiates a surface level

509
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,480
community from one that's
really, really transformative?

510
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,880
I've been thinking about that
word a lot, community, since I

511
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,400
went to this camp.
And it's true that it does get

512
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,320
thrown around a lot, especially
in podcasting.

513
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,200
And I think that sometimes it
can lose its meaning because we

514
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,800
hear it so often.
And what I saw at Camp Footprint

515
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,080
gave me a clearer picture of
what turns a podcast audience

516
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,080
into that community.
So at camp, it was about showing

517
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,840
up for each other and especially
for the kids, which, you know,

518
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,840
in my opinion this is relates to
like an audience, right?

519
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,720
Kids were cheering each other
on, staff was giving their full

520
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,520
attention, full presence,
everyone taking part, not just

521
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,560
consuming what was happening
around them, right?

522
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,000
That's the shift of that.
I want to continue to carry into

523
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,520
podcasting and what we do here.
And that's what I continue

524
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,280
others to do.
A surface level community is

525
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,680
just a group of people that all
listen to the same show, right?

526
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,080
If we're relating this to
podcasting and a real community

527
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,360
is when those that are listening
feel like they belong to

528
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,160
something and want to engage
with each other, not just with

529
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,760
me.
And we see that happening in

530
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,680
this community all the time.
People are guesting on each

531
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,480
other's shows.
People are meeting up in person

532
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,480
for the first time.
I know Sid met a several people

533
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,320
from this community last week at
podcast Movement Janae in the

534
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,720
audience, we met several people
from this community and we go

535
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,720
out of our way to do that.
We're excited to do that.

536
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,640
To me, the most valuable thing
when creating a community and

537
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,520
I'm going to, I'm not going to
say an audience.

538
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,640
I think that if we go in as
podcasters to our podcast with

539
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,520
the intention to create a
community, to build and grow a

540
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,320
community, not an audience, not
download numbers, but focusing

541
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,640
on the people that are there,
that's what successful

542
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,040
podcasting is to me.
So moving forward, I'm going to

543
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,440
be asking myself, whenever I'm
doing this show or guesting on

544
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,400
another podcast, am I just
building an audience or am I

545
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,920
creating a space where people
actually connect with one

546
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,360
another?
And I recognize that that latter

547
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,080
one that I just mentioned, it
takes effort, but to me, that's

548
00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:00,280
where real transformation
happens is by connecting with

549
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,680
the actual people.
I'm going to pause for a second

550
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,920
because Yvonne is on stage.
And I had mentioned Yvonne.

551
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,280
And not to put you on the spot,
Yvonne, but if you wanted to

552
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,280
mention and discuss this idea of
playing more and getting back in

553
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,160
touch with your inner child, by
all means, go for it.

554
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,200
Hey, Mike.
Well, I think you know this is

555
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,000
my jam.
And.

556
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,480
And, and I'm going to say it's
because I, I'm looking to change

557
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:38,160
the way that I approach my work.
And what you said earlier was

558
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,720
you're looking for the way to
incorporate this sense of

559
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,480
playfulness and everything
you're doing that, that is spot

560
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,600
on what it is for me as well,
because I do find myself

561
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,040
grinding, even though the work I
do, I'm, I'm a photographer.

562
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,800
I love doing photo sessions, but
there's the other work around it

563
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,680
that can feel like a slog.
And the same thing with

564
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,480
podcasting.
The minute I'm have a person

565
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,600
with me that I'm interviewing
and we hit play, you know, we

566
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,360
hit record, it's that that is
the fun part.

567
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,000
And then there's all the other
stuff that has to get done.

568
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,520
So this inquiry into play that
I'm in is all about, well, how?

569
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,960
It's about asking good
questions.

570
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,040
So if you keep asking yourself
how can I make this more

571
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,000
playful, then you're giving
yourself half a chance to make

572
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,760
it more playful because it
implies that there is a playful

573
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,400
way to do something.
Thank you, Yvonne.

574
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,120
I nail on the head.
Yeah, I'm with you there.

575
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:48,520
And there is something about
playing while podcasting that I

576
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,080
think hits differently, right?
We can sit and and spit out

577
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,800
information all day long, right?
And it'll help some people,

578
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,800
right?
Again, if we want to build a

579
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,240
community, if we want people to
keep coming back, I think

580
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,760
playing a little bit and being a
little more yourself,

581
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,239
reconnecting with that inner
child in you, it opens up

582
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,080
something for a community.
If I just pop in and say one

583
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,840
more thing, I'm so thankful for
this, the timing of this

584
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:25,880
conversation because I'm coming
back from being on a long summer

585
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,840
break.
And as I come back to, OK, I got

586
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,400
to get ready for Season 6, I'm
starting to feel like the

587
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,120
pressure because the summer
didn't go the way I planned it

588
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,960
to.
We had some family health

589
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,560
issues, everything, It just was
crazy.

590
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,800
And so the, the time that I
thought that I would have to

591
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,400
rethink how I wanted to do the
podcast, it just evaporated.

592
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,440
And now I'm thinking, you know
what, I need to approach this

593
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,080
with the questions that Mark is
asking.

594
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,480
How can I put some games into
the podcast?

595
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,000
Like, what can I do to make it
more fun?

596
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,840
So I I really appreciate the
timing of this conversation.

597
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,160
Awesome.
I'm glad.

598
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,040
I'm glad to hear that, Yvonne,
because that probably means

599
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,440
there are others like that.
And you bring up such a good

600
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,360
point too.
I think with the summer where we

601
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,480
know a lot of podcasters do take
a break in the summer, we've had

602
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,080
a me, Chris and you now
mentioning that.

603
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,520
And so I think, yeah, I agree
with you.

604
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,480
I think the timing is perfect.
So yeah, thank you for bringing

605
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,880
that up.
And Janae is on stage as well as

606
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,760
we're having this particular
conversation around being

607
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,840
playing more, being more of your
finding more of your inner

608
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,880
child, put incorporating more of
that into what we do.

609
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,800
So Janae, did you want to speak
to that?

610
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,560
Good morning everyone, good
morning.

611
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,080
I want to talk about the power
of community, right?

612
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,480
We you just, you just mentioned,
talked about how you were part

613
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,840
of this community and what it
really means for a community.

614
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,720
And just yesterday I interviewed
Dan Shinder who's been running

615
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:05,000
drum Talk TV for the past 12
plus years.

616
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,040
They have about 1.4 million
followers on Facebook alone.

617
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:15,160
They reach about 100 million
people every single month.

618
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,440
It's kind of mind blowing, like
their numbers.

619
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,960
And he's like, it's not about
you going up there and selling

620
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,800
the stuff that you're selling.
It's about who you know, being

621
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,000
who you are.
Like people connect with

622
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,600
communities because of the
passion, not because what you're

623
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,040
selling, right?
Those are conferences.

624
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,880
You go to a sales conference
because you're selling something

625
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,600
or learning how to sell.
But if you think about it,

626
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,240
people resonate with
commonality.

627
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,440
So oh, you like soccer too.
Perfect.

628
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,520
Let's talk about soccer.
And then maybe in that talking

629
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,800
about soccer, talking about this
one passion, you get to know the

630
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,000
person and then you'd be
interested in like, Hey, what do

631
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,760
you actually do?
We talk about soccer all the

632
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,000
time, but what you actually do
and how can I support?

633
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,480
So you you build that connection
because you find community

634
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,240
through these passions and and
the way you play.

635
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,960
Yeah, well said Janae.
Thank you.

636
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:11,960
And I'm going to.
But Jeff, do you want to say

637
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,280
something?
Let me go to you first.

638
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,520
Good morning to you, Sir.
Good.

639
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,880
Morning, Sir.
I'm in the music business.

640
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,040
Everybody knows this.
We're out on tour and one of the

641
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:28,200
significant differences that I
experienced on a tour that other

642
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:33,400
people may not experience in
their corporate world or the

643
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,760
grown up world is that more
often than not in the real

644
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,040
world, your peers and the people
you're working with have similar

645
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,600
backgrounds and and they're even
the same age.

646
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:53,200
Where in my world I might have a
2224 year old guitar tag, but

647
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,640
then a 55 year old head of
lighting.

648
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,640
And we wind up with a very broad
scope of people and

649
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,000
demographics.
But during the course of the

650
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,400
day, when we're building a day,
we don't have breaks or we don't

651
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,880
have the same time off in the
middle of the day based on our

652
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,080
age or our rank.
It just depends on what the job

653
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,640
is.
So if there's a basketball goal

654
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,960
set up backstage, it's not the
kids that are doing it.

655
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,240
It's not that the older guys are
playing chess.

656
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,120
It's a couple of the kids and a
couple of the older guys are

657
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,120
playing ball or playing chess
because that's the window.

658
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,320
And so often I've acknowledged
that I have run into so many

659
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,920
people that are younger than me
that have decided they're older

660
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,840
than me based on the fact that
the people that they share

661
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,960
cubicle with are older.
I throw that out there just to

662
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,840
kind of remind us that
community.

663
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,560
Yes, all of those things help
reinforce where we want to be.

664
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,720
But depending on the community
that you're in, it can also

665
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,120
create some gravity and pull you
back down to the ground because

666
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,800
your community thinks, well,
we're all 55 and like, well,

667
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,280
yeah, but I was skiing
yesterday.

668
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,560
Today's my birthday.
I'm not too old to ski because I

669
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,000
had a birthday.
Let's just make sure that that

670
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,520
inner child is, you know,
whatever however you want to

671
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:27,920
phrase that is it's we are fine
and free and clear to remain who

672
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,720
we want to be, regardless of
who's in the community that

673
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,440
might be pulling us down or in a
different direction.

674
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,520
You're not too old just because
somebody younger than you

675
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,080
decided they're older than you,
therefore you must be.

676
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,480
Yeah, Amen to that.
And I got to imagine you're not

677
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,120
being a musician, but being
around musicians.

678
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,160
Most of my life.
I always imagine playing music

679
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,960
gives you a little bit of that
inner child.

680
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,720
And I'm curious if if that's the
case.

681
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:01,720
We're not, Jeff.
And I can totally be wrong on

682
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:02,800
this.
It's OK if I am.

683
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,440
But I feel like, you know,
playing music, I mean, there,

684
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,520
that phrase alone has that word
playing in it.

685
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,800
And so I feel like, yeah, it
helps kind of reconnect you with

686
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,200
that inner child.
What is?

687
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,640
Is that a fair statement?
I think it's a fair statement.

688
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,720
I think it's kind of more basic
though.

689
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:25,840
I mean, if you go to college and
you want to be in personal

690
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,840
management, what you do at the
entrance level of what you, your

691
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,360
career is very different than
what you would do as you

692
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,320
graduated into higher realms of
management.

693
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,720
What I do now as a piano player
that has played on big things

694
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:45,600
and done big things, I'm better
than I was when I was 10, but

695
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,400
the actual activity that I'm
doing is still reminiscent of

696
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,880
what I did when I was 10.
It's still sitting down with the

697
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,320
piano, it's still not looking at
my hands, it's still keeping my

698
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,480
fingers bent.
It's still the basics of that

699
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,920
are the same now.
I think the part that you're

700
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,080
talking about, the playful part
is the camaraderie, the dance

701
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:11,160
with the band members.
All of that is true, but I also

702
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,760
say that the task in and of
itself as a musician, you know,

703
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,120
a 60 year old playing the
guitar, turn the lights off and

704
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,440
his silhouette looks very much
like a 26 year old playing the

705
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,000
guitar.
It's the same task, same

706
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,840
instrument.
You haven't been promoted away

707
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,880
from what you wanted to do from
the beginning.

708
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,680
I have a friend that's a graphic
designer and he quit his job

709
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,720
because he got promoted and he
wasn't doing graphic design

710
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:39,240
anymore.
He was overseeing graphic

711
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,000
designers and he didn't want to
do that.

712
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,040
I do think both of those can
kind of come into play with what

713
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,040
you're describing.
Yeah, makes sense.

714
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,000
Thank you, Jeff.
I want to keep things moving.

715
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,760
I know Ashley has a couple other
questions for me and Jackie's on

716
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,400
stage, so let me check in with
Jackie.

717
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,960
Did you want to comment on all
this part of the conversation?

718
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,040
Good morning.
So this is my comment to the

719
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,480
situation right now.
I'm in two different industries,

720
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,280
right, but they're both fun
industry.

721
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,320
So I'm doing hair again and I'm
a fitness instructor coach at

722
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,400
Orangetheory.
What I want to say to this topic

723
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,080
is I have been doing hair for 20
years.

724
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,280
I know my way around a hair of a
head of hair, right?

725
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,200
I know how to do the squats,
whatever we're doing on the TRX

726
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,120
straps, you know, running on a
treadmill.

727
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,760
I know how to do it.
OK?

728
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,280
That's not what keeps people
coming in.

729
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,200
That's not what gives me clients
in my chair.

730
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,280
That's not what keeps people
saying, oh, I'm going to take

731
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,840
Jackie's class instead of this
person's class because.

732
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,120
It's the.
Little things, right?

733
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,760
It's the jokes you throw out
there.

734
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,440
It's what you say that can
connect to people.

735
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,400
It's truly just coming from your
heart, right?

736
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,560
That's what puts you a step
above the rest.

737
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:56,160
So as you said earlier, anybody
can sit down and spit facts.

738
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,520
I mean, go on ChatGPT, and
anybody can be a master at

739
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,520
anything these days, right?
But that personality and that

740
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,720
heart that you put behind it
that's very playful is what's

741
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:09,720
going to keep people connected
to you.

742
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,040
Because you're connecting them
to something that maybe they've

743
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,600
lost and still to this day don't
really know how to find it, but

744
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,360
you're nudging them in that
direction.

745
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,040
That's all.
I love that.

746
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Thank you, Jackie.
That's what it's all about.

747
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,640
Like, and I was saying a little
bit of that earlier, but you

748
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,600
said it better than I did.
And yeah, it's we can have all

749
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,400
the answers.
We can spit out lots of

750
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,600
information on a podcast, but
that isn't what's going to keep

751
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,360
people engaged and certainly not
going to keep them coming back

752
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,000
forever, right?
Eventually, they need more to

753
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:48,000
connect with you in order in
order for you to really build

754
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,600
out the community and keep them
a part of it.

755
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,640
Thank you for that, Jackie and
and Janae, Yvonne and Jeff,

756
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,200
thank you for adding your two
cents as well.

757
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,480
So let's go back to Ashley.
Ashley, did you want to ask

758
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,080
another question?
Absolutely.

759
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,360
And I just wanted to briefly
comment on the whole thing

760
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,040
about, you know, these
activities bringing forth our

761
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,480
childlike energy and playing
music.

762
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,640
And I would say that, yeah,
absolutely it is playing music

763
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,880
with people, especially like if
you're in a jam session, it's

764
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,200
like playing catch because
you're brought back to like, oh,

765
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,200
who's got the ball?
Who am I going to pass it to?

766
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,160
And when you're passing sellers,
you kind of see that light in

767
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,520
their eyes when they're
anticipating it's their turn and

768
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,520
when they're going to give the
ball to somebody else.

769
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,080
So I just wanted to make that
parallel.

770
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,200
But you also and actually let me
cut you off.

771
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,440
Real quick and just acknowledge
that I I hear that loud and

772
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,280
clear it makes so much sense to
me and in some ways that's you

773
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,960
know, it's a similar way of how
we do things here.

774
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,040
You know, to me like this is
this is like creating music and

775
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,400
I am jamming with you.
All right, Like Ashley,

776
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,240
Jonathan, Sid, Alex, Chris, Dr.
everyone on stage.

777
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:07,040
This is a jam and it I think
it's why I like to do this.

778
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,480
I like collaboration.
So I would like bringing people

779
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,880
in and bouncing off each other.
I just love what you have to say

780
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,440
and wanted to acknowledge it.
Now I'll hand the mic back to

781
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,160
you.
Me too.

782
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,400
It's quite improvisational,
especially now, but I wanted to

783
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,680
go to this next question that
Dr. had created and you saw how

784
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,440
creative touches like playing
Candyman created culture.

785
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,680
What's one small Candyman moment
that you would encourage

786
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,200
podcasters to experiment with in
their show?

787
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,840
Yeah, and now I'm sure if you're
still listening, you're

788
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,440
wondering how the hell are you
going to tie this together,

789
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,360
Mark?
And look, I actually think there

790
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,360
is a pretty at least one glaring
moment that this does tie

791
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,120
together to podcasting.
And it was the first time that I

792
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,840
drove around as candy, man.
I've already described to you

793
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,000
how that worked, what that
looked like.

794
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,040
And yes, I was dressed up the
part as well.

795
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,600
Maybe that will be the cover
image today of me in my full get

796
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,760
up.
If you haven't seen it on

797
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,400
Instagram and Facebook, you'll
see it maybe today on the

798
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,120
podcast website.
But yeah, I would say that the

799
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:23,240
first time that I drove around,
I played it really safe.

800
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,640
I handed out candy, went to an
activity, stopped.

801
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,400
They all lined up behind me.
I did ask them, you know, if you

802
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,800
want candy, you got to at least
tell me your name because that

803
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,040
was my way of trying to learn
all of these names, which that

804
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,400
was a big challenge in itself
and it was fine, but it felt

805
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,040
like something was missing to
me.

806
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,840
Here I was dressed up like Willy
Wonka and I wasn't really

807
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,560
leaning into it.
So I decided the next time to

808
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,280
push myself and I did.
I used ChatGPT to come up with

809
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,280
some ideas for me to get the
kids more engaged than just

810
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,840
giving me their name and hand
holding out their hands for

811
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,480
candy.
So I told them if they wanted

812
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,680
extra, they had to do something
together.

813
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,840
They had to do something fun.
I had specific challenges where

814
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,520
maybe I told them they had to
like sing a line or chorus from

815
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,840
their favorite song, or maybe it
was a tongue twister.

816
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,600
I had different tongue twisters
for them.

817
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:29,400
And once I embraced that and
started doing that, that's when

818
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,360
the magic happened.
The kids grouped up.

819
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,240
They started singing, dancing.
Some kids were beatboxing, which

820
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:40,960
I particularly appreciated, and
the energy really changed

821
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,560
because we were creating
moments.

822
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,320
And it doesn't matter that these
are kids, right?

823
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:51,560
Because how do I put it?
It doesn't matter that they're

824
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,000
kids.
Because I assure you, what I

825
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,640
found is even with the adults,
when you create something

826
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,880
engaging, people will respond.
They can't help but to respond.

827
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,640
And I will tell you, I had
adults playing along as well

828
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,000
because they wanted extra candy
as well.

829
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,280
So it reminded me a lot of
podcasting because creating a

830
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:20,240
sense of belonging comes from
the playful moments, the moments

831
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:23,040
that are unique to you and your
show.

832
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,960
The space where people feel
comfortable being themselves.

833
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,800
For me, that means being myself
as the host, it means trying out

834
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,360
new things on the show, new
formats or new ways of involving

835
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,040
the community that feel fun and
real.

836
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,720
So my focus now, it's not just,
you know, did I deliver good

837
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:50,760
content, it's did I give people
a reason to lean in and feel

838
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,440
more connected.
I'd say that to me, it's really

839
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,640
taking on the role and not just
dipping your toe in the water,

840
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,160
especially as a new podcast
host.

841
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,880
I love that.
So what's the first thing that

842
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,440
you're going to do with this,
you know, these new findings to

843
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,240
put yourself in that direct?
The first thing I'm going to do,

844
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,320
well, I think I mentioned it
already earlier.

845
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,280
I think it's really sending that
intention every day for the

846
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,240
show.
Before I start, it's it's about

847
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,840
who am I touching, who am I
going to and how do I want to

848
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,280
make people feel by the end of
the show?

849
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,200
So in this case, how do I want
to make you all feel by the end

850
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,840
of this show?
I want you to feel empowered.

851
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:41,960
I want you to feel like, yeah,
it's to make this podcast

852
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,120
successful.
It's about building a community.

853
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,800
It's not about getting 100,000
downloads.

854
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,440
It's about building out the
community I have and really

855
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:59,760
connecting with them.
For me, that's now success and

856
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,120
as far as like seeing the
different lessons from camp

857
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,680
Footprint and what I got as a
podcaster, what I got as an

858
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:13,840
entrepreneur, what I got as a
father, a friend, and how I'm

859
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,320
going to apply that in the next
few years.

860
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,280
I think I said it at the top of
the show.

861
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,480
I'm honestly still processing a
lot of that.

862
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,640
I think I've shared some of the
ways that it's shaped me already

863
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,000
and some of the lessons that
I've learned, but I do feel

864
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,720
fundamentally different after
this experience.

865
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:36,480
I feel like there's perhaps a
bigger calling or purpose out

866
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,200
there for me now.
And I think that for the longest

867
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,080
time I've been fooling myself
when it comes to the podcast.

868
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:50,080
I think that I've subconsciously
let the numbers define my

869
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,600
success.
And I say subconsciously because

870
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,880
I know I out loud was saying
that the numbers don't matter.

871
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:03,320
But I think that deep down
that's what I was basing success

872
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,680
on.
I think I've felt that, yeah, to

873
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,480
be successful, I need big
numbers and I need to be maybe

874
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,400
the biggest podcast in
podcasting.

875
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,720
I think that's it wasn't that I
was setting number goals all for

876
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:23,080
the podcast itself as far as
like downloads go, but I think I

877
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,880
had it in my head that, you
know, this in order for this

878
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,640
show to be successful, it's got
to be the the biggest, the most

879
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,080
downloaded or I need to host the
largest conference, right?

880
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,760
Empowered podcasting.
The original vision was to

881
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,760
really, you know, make this one
of the biggest conferences for

882
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,280
podcasting around, but that's
not what it's about for me

883
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,840
anymore.
It's about building the

884
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,600
community that shows up to the
conference and serving them and

885
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,200
making them feel like they
belong.

886
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,000
So now I'm starting to see that
success for me is about creating

887
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,080
a community with a culture.
So whether it's 50 people,

888
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,000
50,000 people, it's about the
room that we build together.

889
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,760
It's about that feeling that
people carry when they leave,

890
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,520
the way that folks show up for
each other without being asked.

891
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,880
And it's about the practices.
It's about calling people out by

892
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:25,200
name, sharing our wins like we
do every week, inviting play,

893
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,000
protecting the space so that
people can feel like they can be

894
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:34,480
honest and who they are.
So what I plan on doing on the

895
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,200
show is really designing it to
be a place of belonging.

896
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,040
I'll invite listeners voices.
I'll continue to do that.

897
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,440
I'll try a new ritual.
I think my commitment will be

898
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,600
once a month I'll try something
new and see how it goes.

899
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,080
And if it goes well, we'll all
incorporate it in.

900
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,080
I'll lift guests up.
When we have guests in my

901
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:03,240
business, I'll center it around
relationships and outcomes.

902
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,520
And at home, I'll host my family
with the same care, being

903
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,760
present, playing more,
acknowledging them.

904
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,840
So success for me is going to be
simple.

905
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:19,560
Did someone feel seen today?
Did someone take action because

906
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,920
of something that we said or we
provided and did people connect

907
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,200
through this community?
If those answers are yes, then

908
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,360
that's the win.
That's the success for me.

909
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,920
I thought of this yesterday and
I think it sums up what I'm

910
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,520
trying to say.
The numbers can ride in the back

911
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,880
seat while I serve the people in
front of me.

912
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,600
That's the motto I plan on
living by.

913
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,560
It's I.
I've got it typed out here on my

914
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,720
computer monitor.
Now to to remind myself of that

915
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:57,840
everyday numbers can ride in the
back seat while I serve the

916
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,040
people in front of me.
There's your intention right

917
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,120
there.
Absolutely.

918
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,280
So thank you all for joining
today and for listening a little

919
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,600
bit to my experience and my
takeaways from my experience.

920
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,800
I could go on and on and on
about the experience itself, and

921
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,240
I don't want to take up any more
of your time.

922
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,120
I'm happy to continue to share
down the road as well.

923
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,080
And tomorrow is Newsday and
tomorrow we're going to hear

924
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,520
also from that news.
We'll hear from Sid, we'll hear

925
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,520
from Janae.
Those are two people

926
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,200
specifically that were at
Podcast Movement.

927
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,640
So we'll get a report of their
experience at Podcast Movement,

928
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,200
The good, the bad, the ugly.
I've heard some things about

929
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,720
Podcast Movement, lots of great
things, lots of great

930
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:42,880
connection.
And I heard it, it's changed a

931
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,120
lot.
We'll talk about that as well

932
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,880
and all the other headlines.
I want to get into a little bit

933
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,960
more of the Taylor Swift
interview on the Kelsey Brothers

934
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,960
podcast.
I think there is a lot we could

935
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,320
unpack there.
So we might try to do that

936
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,600
tomorrow.
If not, that might be a show in

937
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,840
itself on Thursday.
But we've got lots planned for

938
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,760
you this week.
Come join us any anytime, 7:00

939
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,280
AM Eastern live between 7:00 and
8:00 AM.

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00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,560
That's when you can join us
live.

941
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,440
And if you can't, then you can
catch the podcast just a couple

942
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,040
hours later on your favorite
podcast platform.

943
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:17,840
So until tomorrow, make it a
great day.

944
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,080
Everybody take care.