336 - How Far Will AI Go in Podcasting by 2030?

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Thursday, July 10th,
2025 and today we're stepping

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into the future of podcasting
with a creative, family friendly

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podcast clip, a bold look at
twenty 30s podcasting landscape,

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Good morning again podcasting,

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I am your host Mark Ronic on
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Co hosts.
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Dr. Faye, Sid Meadows and
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I expect Nick, he said he's
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He's just got a late start today
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cast and crew are joining us in
a moment.

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So before we jump right in to
today's topic, digging into the

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future.
And by the way, Speaking of

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future, I thought it would be
appropriate whenever we talk

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about the future of podcasting,
the future of AI.

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This morning I'm going to open
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Got to have sound effects
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it's it's a future themed
podcast episode and we're going

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to start a little light with a
podcast that pod news spot lit.

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Is that really a word or is it
spotlighted?

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Anyway, turn they turned me on
to a new podcast that I wanted

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to share with you.
It's called Tales from the Cloud

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Sea, which might just be the
first fully improvised comedy

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adventure podcast made for kids
and families.

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And the twist is that in the
spirit of improv, as you know,

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I've been taking improv classes.
Every episode is shaped by the

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audience, by real kid callers
who decide where the Skytanic.

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This is the vessel that the two
adventurers travel in.

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It's a flying cruise ship, get
to see where they go next.

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So it's part storytelling, part
interactive improv.

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And the early feedback so far
has been pretty strong for this

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podcast.
If you're creating for younger

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audiences, I think this is a
great example of how to make

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podcasting more interactive,
more fun.

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And if you're not, well, let me
get into that.

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I think that this podcast, I'm
enjoying it and I think it nails

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what podcasting can be.
When it breaks out of the usual

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mold.
Excuse me, It blends improv,

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like I said, storytelling, real
time audience participation in a

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way that pushes creative limits.
So if your show isn't family

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focused, I think there's still a
clear lesson here about how to

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engage an audience differently,
bringing them into the

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experience and making the show
more dynamic, more alive.

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So interactive storytelling like
this, to me, it's a peek at the

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future of podcasting as it keeps
evolving.

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We'll get into more generalized
predictions of podcasting and

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its future, but I want to 1st
play you a clip.

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This is about two minutes long.
I just want you to get a taste

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of it and then we can talk a
little bit about it if you'd

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like on the other side.
So here's a clip from Tales from

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the Cloud C and and just to be
clear, these are all improv

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actors, right?
So the two main characters are

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kids.
So I'll play you a piece of

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their intro and then a little
just a little smidget of their

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opening of the podcast.
Here we go.

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You're listening to Tales from
the Cloud C, an improvised

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comedy adventure podcast where
kids are at the helm.

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Everything you're about to hear
is completely made-up on the

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spot.
No script, no plan, no rules.

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Episode 1 A very suspicious
island.

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Hey, Arthur, I was just
organizing my bug collection and

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I wanted your opinion about
these beetles.

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Amelia, you just walked right
into my room and didn't even

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knock on the door.
Oh, sorry.

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Let me do that again.
Knock, knock, knock.

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You can't come in.
OK, you can come in.

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Thanks, Arthur.
Look, I have my bug collection

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and I've got them all pinned,
but I have these beetles

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arranged by color and I'm
thinking I need to arrange them

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by genius.
I would love your opinion.

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Maybe you could do, like,
centipedes, butterflies and

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ladybugs.
And that's your order.

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Oh, OK.
This is going to be a birthday

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present for you, boy.
Yeah, you are.

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Now I know what it is.
I'm sorry.

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I just wanted to make it, like,
exactly how you want it.

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Oh, that's that's really cool,
Amelia.

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I mean, you do do this every
single year, so I guess I

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shouldn't be surprised by it.
Yeah, there's bugs every year.

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Every year.
And it's weird because they're

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dead bugs.
You're giving me dead bugs in a

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jar.
Well, you know, I like to

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display them.
I, you know, like a museum.

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Someday I'm going to work in a
museum.

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Yeah, I know.
I think it's really cool.

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And I know your favorite movie
is Night at the Museum with Ben

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Stiller.
Yeah.

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Maybe someday we'll get to spend
the night.

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We'll just go to the museum and
and hide and dad will just be

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like, I guess they went home.
We should.

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We should totally go to museum
and hide.

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I mean, on Tuesday it's free,
Kid.

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Tuesday at the Museum of the
World.

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Yeah.
Let's go.

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We should do it.
We should do it.

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Dad into.
Sorry, I said Mom.

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I don't even know where.
I don't know why I said mom.

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Would you say mom?
I don't know.

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I miss her so much.
You too.

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I'm giggling because it's so
improv in the sense that, you

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know, you sometimes just say
things and not.

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It doesn't fit with the general
premise of what you're

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improvising, and you just got to
go with it.

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No editing.
No editing, no.

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And in fact it sounds like, and
I think it's intentional, if you

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go back and listen, you'll hear.
And if you go listen to the

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whole episode, you'll hear
their, I don't know if it's

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their producer or one of the
other actors, but you'll hear a

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male giggle every so often, you
know, giggling at maybe one of

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the the flubs or mistakes or
just something funny that

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happened.
You'll just hear kind of in the

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background, a little slight
giggle from an adult.

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And yeah, I don't know, maybe
that helps cue you a little bit

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to realize, Oh yeah, that was
just improvised and they're just

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having fun and giggling with
that.

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But what's cool is, is that they
give you a phone number that you

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and your kid can call and tell
the improvisers, tell the

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podcast where they want to see
you see the 2 characters go

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next.
And by the way, just a side

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note, you all, a lot of you have
met my best friend Jonah Berger,

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who's joined us before.
His two kids are named Amelia

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and Arthur, the same names of
the two characters, which I just

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found really surprising because
Amelia is not a common name

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these days.
If anybody has any questions,

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thoughts you want to share about
this, please by all means you

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can.
I have a thought.

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So actually a question.
So do we hear the suggestions

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from the audience members
calling in?

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I did not hear that on episode
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In episode 2.
I'm curious how they're going to

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handle that.
I don't know.

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I don't know if they just
acknowledge it at some point,

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you know, before the the story
starts or at the end.

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But yeah, they that's how they
get their content though, is

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from their audience sharing.
I can feel in my head that a

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more adult way of doing this is
maybe because I'm sure that

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you've seen Jimmy Fallon do the
Mad Libs and then he takes his

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guest and he does basically what
this is but with the Mad Libs,

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but following the Mad Libs thing
that everyone has filled out.

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So that's where I kind of feel
that, you know, the more the,

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the more adult version would be.
Yeah, that makes sense.

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And I'm very inspired.
I I want to create something

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like this.
I think this is cool.

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What a great idea.
And I can't help, I have no idea

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of the back story of the
creators of this.

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And I can't, I can't help but
think they maybe created this

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because they are improvers or
improvisers.

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And maybe they've been
podcasters before.

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Maybe they've heard, because
we've covered on news stories in

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the past, how much younger
people and kids are interacting

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with podcasting now and how it's
such a growing area, growing

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demographic.
So maybe the they got this

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inspiration like, oh, maybe we
could make a podcast improvising

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for kids.
That's just my.

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And my other question is, is
this audio only?

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Is there anything on YouTube
from these people?

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They do have a YouTube channel
and I did go look at it, but I

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don't know if it's, you know,
like what some of us do, just

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putting our audio version up on
YouTube.

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I don't know if it's that, but I
think it is.

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I think it's audio only.
I could totally see them.

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I could totally see them running
it like a live and I would

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actually.
And streaming, yeah.

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Well, I could just see them.
You just have two cameras,

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whichever, and them just doing
what they're doing.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it's a pretty brilliant

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idea.
I mean, it's basically old time

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radio.
It really is.

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Yeah, that's a great point.
I think they could do something

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like this live.
They could do it.

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I know they have a Patreon too
so like that would be a cool

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place for them to do something.
Like that?

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I wonder what they do for
Patreon.

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That's interesting.
Yeah, yeah, they.

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I think they have a course Dr.
that you can buy.

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For those not in on that gag,
that's cuz Dr. is a course

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fiend.
Let's see if you can cut this

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out.
Let's just say I'm a course for

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let's.
Just, well, you took the words

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out of my mouth.
I hesitated and I said I won't.

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Say it we are.
We're not cutting it out because

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you need to own it.
Yes, this is not a family show.

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I think that's OK to use that
word.

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Totally that hilarious.
Cool.

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Yeah.
So check that out again.

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That's Tales from the Tales from
the Cloud C It's not a name that

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rolls off my tongue easily, but.
It's not C like the letter C

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it's like C as in the ocean sea.
Correct, Correct.

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The Cloud C Yeah, it's very
clever, very well done.

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And again, as somebody who has
really gotten into improv, I

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have this affection for it, this
connection to it, and it seems

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like it would be a lot of fun.
Again, I have this inspiration

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now to want to do something like
that.

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And by the way, I'm do, I'm
still doing the improv clearly

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and I'm in I'm on level one O 3
now.

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And in these classes, we still
rehearse, practice, play

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different games, new games that
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classes this year or this
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players from my troop hosting
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our showcase and they're leading
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game, etcetera, etcetera.
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hosting, which you may imagine
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doing.
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go around in the room and share
different things that we really

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either took away from the day or
things we really like, things

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that we struggled with.
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like hosting.
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shocker.
I'm surprised you of all people

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It's just a lot of fun.

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person.
There's something about it that

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I am much more sharp, I feel
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having to think on my feet.
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that to these improv classes.
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You'll find local classes.
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check that out.
OK, so with that, after hearing

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how Tales from the Cloud C is
experimenting with interactive

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storytelling today, it's
exciting to think about how

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podcasting might evolve over the
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Decade You know it's my kitchen
time, right?

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Oh, yes, it is.
Well, I'll get us started.

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You go ahead because Dr. was
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for us.
So yeah, go ahead and make those

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eggs for your hubby and we'll
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ready and take your time.
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So I want to look into what new
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listener experiences could
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next five years.
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purpose, it's exactly what an
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might sound and look like in
2030 comes from The Drum.

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It's inspired by this article
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that thoughtful look at the
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creators should expect and
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changes.
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into 2030.
So let me open the DeLorean

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door.
This drum piece envisions how

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podcasts will evolve, how they
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personalized AI hosts, immersive
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live.
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live, audience interactivity.
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virtual reality, episode
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things, what we could expect.
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that.
I want you to have your

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predictions ready.
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audience here.
Welcome to all of you.

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I'd love your participation and
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can start thinking about maybe
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next 5 years.
But here are some of the key

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takeaways, at least that we
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And by the way, if anyone on
stage has any prediction for the

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next 5 years, do you want to
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me to just dive into the
article?

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Just wanted to see if anybody
had a thought.

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I think that, you know, I don't
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next 5 years, but I keep looking
at what Mr. Beast does and.

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What does he say?
You know, not what he says, but

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like what he does.
And then also all these people

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that are doing live stream TV
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And it's going to be interesting
how I just think that we're

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going to be going away from
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sense of people are going to be
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more than they are even the
streaming services in certain

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I don't know exactly how that's

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all going to play out.
A lot of people are getting

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their information.
I don't want to say news,

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they're getting their
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And that's going to keep pushing
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And I think there's going to be
TV shows and a whole

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entertainment slash news outside
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normal.
I'm not even talking like ABC,

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NBC, I'm talking even Netflix
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things.
That's the only direction I

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think it can go.
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production now and I think that
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Sky's the limit.
This generation, the kids that

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are like my daughter's age, that
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it's like before, so they have
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well as exciting because that

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wall is being broken.
But who knows?

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And yeah, to your point that

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we've covered not this week, but
in past news episodes, we've

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covered how the news more people
now are going to YouTube or

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social media to get their news
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right?
So things are changing and that

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to me there maybe not by 20-30,
but very possible that we could

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see by 20-30.
This blend of TV, radio,

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podcasting, live streaming, it
could all end up becoming it's

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under its own name, its own
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And the way that we what we call
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media could be totally
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That name podcast could very
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Could be as soon as five years
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mean and I keep going back to
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It sounds like it was like 100
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and and now it's so much more
integrated than we even thought.

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slow, slow, slow.
And then if something's going to

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happen, that's going to change
it and then things are going to

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switch.
Not that it hasn't changed

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already, I just think that
there's going to be something

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that's going to really change
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Thank you, Alex and Sid.
I saw you wanted to say

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something.
Go ahead.

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spread of misinformation is
rampant in media today, right?

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one of the things that very well

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may happen in the next 5 years
is regulatory issues like happen

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in journalism and things of that
nature that we're going to start

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seeing a whole bunch of rules
come up about what it is we can

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do.
What is we can't say because the

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spread of misinformation is one
of the things that's causing a

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huge divide in our country.
And people just blatantly lying

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right on their TV shows or their
podcast or whatever.

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In an example might be the Fox
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No, no hate on Fox News, but
their title says Fox News, which

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leads you to believe it's news.
But actually, if you read the

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fine print, they say they're an
entertainment channel, not a

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news channel.
And so it's really important to

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think about those things,
especially if you're sharing

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current events and news, which I
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to regulatory inside of the
podcasting industry.

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Thank you, Sid.
Yeah, I didn't wasn't even

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thinking of going there and
neither did this article.

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So, yeah, thank you for that
perspective.

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I agree with you.
OK, so we have Janae on stage

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now.
And Janae, did you want to throw

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out a prediction, say by 20-30
what podcasting may or may not

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look like?
And welcome back, by the way.

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Good morning.
Good morning.

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Super excited to be back.
It's been a minute.

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So based on what I saw at Vidcon
couple of weeks ago, the numbers

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are increasing where streaming
media is gaining more

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popularity.
They're still at 12% for YouTube

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and about 8 1/2 to 9% for
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So still a majority of the
content being consumed by people

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in the US is from traditional
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So we'll continue to see those
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YouTube also claimed that they
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with over 1,000,000 subscribers.
And that's kind of mind blowing

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because that means there's a
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these YouTube channels, right?
So it's kind of crazy.

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So that's going to continue to
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More and more people will find
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channels, through these, through
building their own audiences

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through YouTube.
And you don't really need a

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whole lot, right?
So we will see the majority of

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the people will still consume
content or get their news on the

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traditional media, but it might
change depending on how fast

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they are waking up versus where
the government is trying to keep

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the status quo.
Status quo, right?

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I mean, we just saw what
happened in New York for the

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mayor running and now, right?
It like there's there's going to

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be, there's going to be setbacks
that's kind of continue to

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derail what people are able to
do with media.

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So the question is, it's all up
in the air, but the technology

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is going to continue to evolve
and we get to still decide, you

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know, dictate what our destiny
can be if we use the stuff

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correctly.
Yeah, yeah.

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And good timing too.
Thank you, Janae, because yeah,

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coming back from Vidcon, I'm
sure there's a lot of

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predictions and things that are
coming in the future that you

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were learning about why you were
there.

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Yeah.
And welcome back.

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You were just at Niagara Falls
late the latest.

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Actually, we just drove in about
two hours ago.

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Wow.
Drove overnight.

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So I was like, I want to jump in
and say hello and then I can go

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back to sleep.
Go to sleep.

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Awesome.
Thank you for carving out some

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time with us.
That's awesome.

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And feel free to continue to
participate throughout the

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conversation.
Today.

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I'm just peeking here at the
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And 1st, I want to give a shout
out to Dave Campbell, who's a

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regular listener here in the
mornings live on Clubhouse and

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YouTube.
And I know I've mentioned this

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once before, but Dave is a
speaker at Alex Sanfilippo's pod

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matches event, Podcasting Made
Simple Live.

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He's going to be a speaker
there.

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And he actually just shared in
the chat here a link to the

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event.
And I think I saw something,

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Dave, that you might have
tickets that you can.

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Yes, if you want a free pass to
Podcasting Made Simple, you have

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to listen to a recent episode of
his show.

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So, Dave, tell me what show we
should have everyone listen to

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to find out what that free that
free link or code is?

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Let's see.
Oh, go ahead.

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And if you want a free ticket,
just send me Adm, I'll send you

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a free one too.
OK, there you go.

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And Janae also has tickets
available.

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We'll put any information we can
in the show notes for anybody

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interested.
No.

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Where is it being hosted again?
It's a lot.

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It's a virtual event.
Oh, OK.

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Yep.
So anyone can attend as long as

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you are free and awake during
those hours.

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Let's see, any other things from
the chat.

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Bez was agreeing with Sid,
saying many segments of what may

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be perceived as news is really
an opinion show.

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And to Sid's point,
entertainment.

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Yeah, yeah.
Got to read the fine print

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sometimes.
OK, so with that, let me go to

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Dr. and Dr. would you like to
share a little bit more from the

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article?
I'm feeling like if we dig into

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some of their key points,
that'll spark some more thoughts

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and ideas for the future.
Let me open the car door again.

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The future of podcasting.
Go ahead.

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Sure.
OK, so this whole thing stems

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from the podcast show 2025 in
the UK.

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So the chief strategy officer,
James Chandler took to the brand

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works stage, the big stage, and
he got together a panel of like

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a platform big wits and TikTok
was among them.

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And they all wanted to explore
how creators, platforms and

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00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,440
visual content will be shaping
the evolution of podcasting and

453
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,440
the new opportunities opening up
for advertisers.

454
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,040
And here's kind of what they
learned.

455
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,680
Just little blurbs.
One, podcasts are growing and

456
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,120
changing shape.
We kind of knew that 2 video

457
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,080
isn't killing the pop star
podcast star.

458
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,680
It's making them more famous.
And three, from intimate to

459
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,040
interactive, which is what we
were just talking about with the

460
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,920
improv thing.
So next for what's next for

461
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,440
podcasting?
Looking ahead to 2030, the panel

462
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,560
identified a few key shifts
already reshaping the medium.

463
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,200
Audience participation is one
through Q&A, episodes, comments,

464
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,160
communities forming around the
shows.

465
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,240
Subscription models is another.
As loyal listeners seek closer

466
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,560
relationships with their
favorite creators and AD free

467
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,080
content, authenticity remains a
guiding principle.

468
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,600
The beauty of podcast is still
in their honesty, Austin, one of

469
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,000
the panelists, cautioned.
If people start performing for

470
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,040
the camera, we risk losing that,
losing what made that format so

471
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,240
powerful in the 1st place.
The panel agreed, noting that

472
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,440
not every show needs a visual
layer and that creators should

473
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,520
be think should be thoughtful
about which platforms to

474
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,400
prioritize and how to preserve
their voice.

475
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,720
There's also an important
balance to strike between

476
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:28,200
monetization and experience.
With increasing advertisers

477
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,080
interest comes the risk of over
commercialization.

478
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,920
That was hard to say over
commercialization.

479
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,440
Too many mid rolls, too many
host reads or host reads.

480
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,520
Sorry, too much clutter.
Let's make sure that the

481
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,120
audience still gets that quality
experience, which is what

482
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,040
someone on the panel said.
So what's clear is that there's

483
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,600
no single answer.
The medium is evolving in

484
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,080
multiple directions at once,
from headphones to screens, from

485
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,000
passive listening to active
participation, from

486
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,200
one-size-fits-all to
personalized, platform specific

487
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,480
storytelling.
What's constant is the power of

488
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,400
a strong idea, and as one of the
panelists put it, it's

489
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,720
completely about the idea, what
we're adding to the field that

490
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,680
isn't already there.
Whether it's a lo fi monologue

491
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,360
recorded in a bedroom or a high
spec multi camera studio shoot,

492
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:34,360
great podcasting starts with a
story worth telling and an

493
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,120
audience ready to press play.
Thank you, Dr. Appreciate that.

494
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:45,120
And I'm going to throw out some
predictions, thoughts about our

495
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,320
future here in podcasting.
One of my predictions is that AI

496
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:57,400
will really create a lot more AI
hosts in podcasting.

497
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,720
I think they'll drive those
custom hosts, Taylor, to your

498
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,840
interests, to your tastes.
I think there will be bite

499
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,440
sized, more bite sized episodes
short like I'm talking 5 minute

500
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,600
episodes that'll be considered a
podcast series.

501
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,400
I think there's a lot with AI
that we haven't even thought

502
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,280
about yet and how it may change
podcasting.

503
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:27,160
And fully admit, I don't love
the idea right now of AI hosts.

504
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,320
It depends, right?
Like the way that Nick was using

505
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,600
it, that didn't bother me
because Nick was using it really

506
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,640
just to deliver you news stories
about AI using an AI generated

507
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,480
voice.
Like to me, that worked.

508
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,080
But when we start talking about
using it for all types of shows

509
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,960
and I think it'll be hard to
decipher who's real, who's not,

510
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,680
because I think the AI
technology will get better.

511
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,200
And there's just something weird
to me about losing human voices

512
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,800
and using generated voices to
simulate human.

513
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,080
I just, I feel like that might
be a problem.

514
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,400
But I do think it will also
create more of an urge, a need

515
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,880
for that human connection, the
more that AI infiltrates and

516
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,360
influences our media.
What did you want to add?

517
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,920
Dr. That's what I was about to
say.

518
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,120
I don't mind AI taking over that
hosting thing and there being a

519
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:32,240
sweeping Oh my God, everything
is because do you know when I go

520
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:38,240
to IRL in real life networking
meeting, I come out there like,

521
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,080
Oh my God, I actually shook a
hand.

522
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,280
I actually talked to a human
being.

523
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,400
It wasn't through a computer
screen.

524
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,920
And it was such a huge relief.
It was just to know that, Oh my

525
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,800
God, that still exists, all
right?

526
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,560
And I think that's kind of the
feeling that people will get

527
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,600
when it comes to AI hosts and
real live hosts.

528
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,440
And Mishawn in the chat, by the
way, she just said being human

529
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,840
will be the premium and gave the
little upside down smiley emoji.

530
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,640
But yeah, I think that that's
very possible, yeah.

531
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,720
Yeah.
But one of the things that

532
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,440
scares me a little is what Sid
said.

533
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:25,720
Sid said about regulation.
And, you know, right now

534
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,240
podcasting is like, the last
bastion of free speech.

535
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,680
So I really can't think of
another platform other than

536
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:41,320
podcasting where free speech,
you know, is, is the king.

537
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,760
Yeah.
And it does feel like once

538
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,360
regulations come into it, and he
might be right.

539
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,640
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know.

540
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,560
How do we, how do we fight
against that?

541
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,480
What's the guy's name?
The guy who said there was a

542
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,400
conspiracy against the school
shooting?

543
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,520
He went out to court.
I can't.

544
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,280
Remember, Help me People.
I can't remember.

545
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,400
He had a podcast and I don't
know how he was thrown off the

546
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,400
air, but he was essentially
thrown off the air.

547
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,640
So, and I don't know who did
that.

548
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,640
That's why I always thought that
the FDA had some kind of a thumb

549
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,560
in the pie.
I think this is a different

550
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,800
topic, but I mean, it's the same
topic, but it's something that

551
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,840
you could do later.
I mean, where's the line?

552
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,800
And that's where the biggest
problem is, because anybody can

553
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,240
say anything.
And that's a good and a bad

554
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,240
thing.
I mean, there's people on the

555
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:41,320
Internet right now, they're
purposely saying certain things

556
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,160
to rile up certain groups and
all the misinformation.

557
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,520
And the problem is with all this
misinformation, nobody knows

558
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,600
what's right.
And I don't know what the answer

559
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,440
is, whether it's more
regulation, less, you know, I

560
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,720
don't know.
But it's just trying to figure

561
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,120
out, go through the weeds.
And it's like the algorithms are

562
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,040
almost too good because you only
see what you want to see.

563
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,040
It'll be interesting to see what
happens in the next five years.

564
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,360
It's Alex Jones who I was trying
to think.

565
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,120
Of Alex Jones.
OK, gotcha.

566
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,520
OK, cool.
Thank you Dr. And by the way,

567
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,480
totally relate to the in person
networking situations.

568
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,280
I come out of those feeling so
energized most of the time,

569
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,960
right?
Sometimes maybe they're not the

570
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,520
best networking events, but
overall when I am doing face to

571
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,199
face networking, there is just
an entirely different energy

572
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,760
than doing anything virtually.
And I will say there is

573
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,199
something special about virtual
networking too in the sense that

574
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,800
it's excellent practice for the
real life thing.

575
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,000
I think that because of
initially because of COVID and

576
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,280
then that how that changed the
way that a lot of us interact,

577
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,720
interacted moving forward.
I think that those wraps of

578
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:01,120
doing so much networking and
connecting with people virtually

579
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,640
helped make me feel more
comfortable in the real life

580
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,080
situations.
And not that I was terribly

581
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,760
uncomfortable, but going through
the reps of connecting with new

582
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,880
people, talking with new people,
learning how to do that

583
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,160
effectively, that translates
pretty well into the real world.

584
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,720
And I'm grateful for that.
OK, We're really focusing a lot

585
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,560
on AI, which I kind of thought
we would.

586
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:31,000
Let me then lead into the second
part of this future discussion,

587
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,960
right?
Because just like podcasting is

588
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,120
evolving, AI is evolving,
podcast is evolving with, you

589
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,880
know, new types of shows like
the one we started with today,

590
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,640
Tales from the Cloud, C, I think
that we've talked about where it

591
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,360
all may go and AI keeps pulling
us in.

592
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,000
So Joe Rogan recently did a
podcast, I think this was, yeah,

593
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,600
June 22nd, I think it was just
recently.

594
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,120
But regardless, he did a, an
interview with a doctor, a

595
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:09,320
scientist and AI specialist
named Doctor Roman Yampoloski, I

596
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,960
believe is how you pronounce it.
I think it's episode 1983.

597
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,600
So it might have been a little
bit further back, but they dug

598
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,680
into a IS capabilities and the
tough ethical questions that it

599
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,600
raises.
And I think the conversation

600
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,120
really highlights the big issues
that we need to face as AI

601
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,480
becomes part of and more and
more a part of different areas

602
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,760
of our life.
So what I think I'll do, Well,

603
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,360
let me tell you about the
article and then I'm going to

604
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,440
play a little clip.
OK, I'm going to play a clip

605
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,200
from the Joe Rogan Experience
with his guest here.

606
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,680
I'm going to call his guest
Doctor Y, so that I don't keep

607
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,800
butchering his last name.
Doctor Y says that AI

608
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,440
researchers estimate a 20 to 30%
chance.

609
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:03,440
Get ready, a 20 to 30% chance
that AI could wipe out humanity,

610
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,120
and his own estimate was nearly
100%.

611
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,640
I know I'm laughing, but you can
only laugh at it.

612
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,280
At this point, he suggests that
powerful models might

613
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,840
intentionally be acting dumb, so
let's use ChatGPT just as an

614
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,760
example for this.
For what powerful models are

615
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,120
right?
So he suggests that models like

616
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:33,200
ChatGPT might intentionally be
acting dumb to gain our trust

617
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,240
and slowly take over without
noticing.

618
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,320
Again, laughing because what
else can I do?

619
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,520
He was saying as AI takes over
different tasks for us, he warns

620
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:51,840
that we may become biological
bottlenecks, quote UN quote over

621
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,520
dependent and less capable
decision makers that certainly I

622
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,280
can connect and understand that
prediction.

623
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,720
And then he also got into things
like super intelligence and

624
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,240
quantum computing.
And it says here a super

625
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:14,120
intelligent AI.
The comparison is like squirrels

626
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,560
to humans.
It could easily surpass and

627
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,440
outsmart us even if we don't
give it more power.

628
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,040
So little concerning to hear
some of that, right?

629
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,440
Let let me play a clip from the
Joe Rogan experience from his

630
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,480
interview with Doctor Y so you
can hear more about this super

631
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,560
intelligence and more of his
predicting.

632
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,640
Here we go.
So if we're dealing with AI, and

633
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:44,240
AI eventually achieves super
intelligence, why would it want

634
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,160
to create virtual reality for us
and our consciousness to exist

635
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,240
in?
It seems like a tremendous waste

636
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:56,640
of resources just to fascinate
and confuse these territorial

637
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,320
apes with nuclear weapons.
Like why would we do that?

638
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,200
So a few points.
One, we don't know what

639
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,360
resources are outside the
simulation.

640
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,840
This could be like a cell phone
level of compute.

641
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,800
It's not a big deal for them
outside of our simulation.

642
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,680
So we don't know if it's really
expensive for trivial for them

643
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,840
to run this.
Right.

644
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,280
Also, we don't know what they
are doing this for.

645
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,160
Is it entertainment?
Is it scientific

646
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,000
experimentation?
Is it marketing?

647
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,760
Maybe somebody managed to
control them and trying to

648
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,960
figure out what Starbucks coffee
sells best and they need to run

649
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,520
earth size simulation to see
what sells best.

650
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,040
Maybe they're trying to figure
out how to do AI research safely

651
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,320
and make sure nobody creates
dangerous super intelligence.

652
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,040
So they're running many
simulations of the most

653
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,520
interesting moment ever.
Think about this decade, right?

654
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,360
It's not interesting.
Like we invented fire or wheel.

655
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,880
Kind of big invention, but not a
meta invention.

656
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,160
We're about to invent
intelligence and virtual worlds,

657
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,000
God like inventions.
We're here.

658
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,280
There's a good chance that's not
just random.

659
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,640
So there you go.
Lot to chew on there.

660
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,920
And I think from the other parts
of the interview I had heard, I

661
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,080
think that Doctor Y already
believes that we're in some kind

662
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,600
of simulation.
And this is a doctor, this is a

663
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,760
scientist.
This isn't just some guy who's

664
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,760
very woo.
This is based on his studies,

665
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,840
his research.
It's a little interesting, Yeah.

666
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,360
I figured Janae may want to
chime in on this, being a big AI

667
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,960
fan like myself, although, you
know, I'm, I'm being swayed a

668
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,280
little bit based on this
interview.

669
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,200
Go ahead, Janae all.
Right.

670
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,640
First of all, yes, we are all in
in in the simulation, just so

671
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,320
you know.
OK, Do you believe that

672
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,040
genuinely?
No.

673
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,800
Here's how.
Because our souls are electric,

674
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,440
right?
So our souls enter our body, our

675
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,440
physical manifestation of who we
are in this world.

676
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,880
I mean, that's, that's a
different type of simulation.

677
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,320
Not the type of simulation that
this guy's talking about.

678
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,440
This guy's kind of cuckoo a
little off for in my opinion #1

679
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:14,320
where AI is right now, it's
still toddler and all it's

680
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,080
doing, it's regurgitating all
the stuff that you're asking it

681
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,080
based on the information and the
pattern recognition that it has

682
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,920
learned.
This AI that we call AI is not

683
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:30,080
really intelligence at all.
It's just really smart data

684
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,200
categorized to give you sort of
information that kind of makes

685
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,760
sense.
So we're not even there yet and

686
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,120
that is coming.
So that's why it's called a

687
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,360
large language model.
The next version of large

688
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,280
language model that we've seen
is the large reasoning model

689
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:54,480
which we see with ChatGPT 4-O or
O3 and O4 where it say, hey, I'm

690
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,440
thinking now, OK, here's the
answer, right?

691
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,520
So that's the next version.
But the third version that we

692
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:06,000
haven't seen is the one where AI
can learn itself without any

693
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,160
outside input.
It feels like just seeing how AI

694
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,800
has progressed over the past
couple of years, it feels like

695
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,680
that could be a lot sooner than
some people might think though.

696
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,000
Yeah, and it could be a lot
sooner, but here's the thing, it

697
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:26,040
still requires a ton of energy.
So what he's saying that why

698
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,120
would like it was funny when Joe
Rogan asked the question, why

699
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,440
would AI create a simulation for
humans to survive?

700
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,760
I mean, that's literally right
out of the movie The Matrix.

701
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,480
I mean, hello.
And that's what this doctor is

702
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,920
probably predicting towards.
And movies are nothing more than

703
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,680
a manifestation of the future
done now.

704
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,560
So is it possible?
Probably.

705
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,000
Do we care?
Not really, Because we, again,

706
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,640
we are as human beings put on
this planet earth.

707
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,160
We are not of this planet.
We are aliens come from heaven.

708
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,960
Look.
At your name, taking us in all

709
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,400
sorts of directions.
Here we all came from Adam,

710
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,360
right on.
Noah is our, you know, our

711
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,480
Father, right?
So from that perspective, you

712
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,000
think about it, it doesn't
matter because we are on this

713
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,720
planet for a very short period
of time to do the one thing that

714
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:29,000
we put here to do is to make
people's lives better.

715
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,200
Yeah, serve others.
Yes, yes.

716
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,480
Thank you, Janae.
That was quite deep for sure.

717
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,560
And I'm not laughing.
I'm not laughing in a teasing

718
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,280
manner.
I'm just laughing in a very

719
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,360
uncomfortable manner.
Amen.

720
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,960
Amen.
I mean, and this come from guy

721
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,400
who just had two Monster drinks
and drove, you know, about 10

722
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,760
hours.
So he may be a little delirious

723
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,920
now.
Maybe, I don't know.

724
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:58,280
No.
And the truth is, is that a lot

725
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,960
of what you said I actually do
subscribe to and I can imagine

726
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,160
that to some people, that's just
a lot, right.

727
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,120
But Jonathan wanted to add
something while you were sharing

728
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,720
Janae.
So let's check in with Jonathan.

729
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:11,680
Good morning my friend, good
morning.

730
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:15,320
I also just wanted to point out
that recently, I believe in the

731
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,560
last couple months, one of the
AI models actually disobeyed

732
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,480
instructions and didn't shut
itself down when told to.

733
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,120
So it's.
Doing a little bit of thinking

734
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:31,840
on its own because so, and I'm
not sure about you know, us

735
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,720
being aliens here I'm.
Going to go with that.

736
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,520
I'm going to go with evolution,
but that's.

737
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,400
Just me, OK, That's OK.
One of the best things I think

738
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,960
about this community is that we
often have differences of

739
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,800
opinions and we respect each
other's differences of opinions.

740
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,440
It's OK that we don't all agree,
and in fact, I encourage that we

741
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,880
don't always agree with one
another because that just isn't

742
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,760
genuine to me.
I know that we all have our own

743
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,920
opinions about different things.
So what do you guys think?

744
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,360
Let's talk a little bit, let's
hear a little bit more.

745
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,920
Would you trust AI less?
You know, one of the things that

746
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,320
was shared was that and, and
what we're talking about now is

747
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,960
that, you know, maybe AI is
being a little deceitful that it

748
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,480
actually does know a little more
than we're giving it credit for.

749
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,760
And it's trying to build trust
with us by either giving us

750
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,240
misinformation or misdirecting
us.

751
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,520
So would you trust an AI less if
you knew it might be hiding

752
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:33,920
what's act, what it's actually
capable of?

753
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,200
Would you think twice now or
maybe now hearing that, does it

754
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,880
make you think twice about that?
I think the other thing is that

755
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,560
AI and all the things that AI is
built on were always here.

756
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,720
It's not necessarily something
we created.

757
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:52,640
It was always here.
All the functions and things

758
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,080
were here.
So it's probably quite a bit

759
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,000
smarter than we give it credit
for.

760
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,200
We're just discovering how smart
it is.

761
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,320
It is, after all, software,
right?

762
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,080
Software and hardware working
together designed to, you know,

763
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,760
give you an answer based on
what's in the book.

764
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:15,560
So if we all have read our
history and where Google came

765
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,800
from, it was designed to search
library books.

766
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,280
And whichever books has the most
occurrence of that same word,

767
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,840
well, it's going to then
suggest, hey, go read this book.

768
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,680
And that's how the Internet has
worked since Google put it

769
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,280
together.
So we are seeing a lot more of

770
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,280
that with AI or with chatty PT
generative.

771
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:42,760
I don't even know what the PT is
for anymore, but it's, it's some

772
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,920
kind of transformer, right?
So it's a transformer of text

773
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,280
based information.
So we are actually giving it way

774
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:55,040
too much credit to what it can
do because after all, it's a

775
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,800
great research platform.
Sure, it can definitely get to

776
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,760
the point where it's, you know,
providing us maybe false

777
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,120
information.
I guess that hallucination is,

778
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,480
is a is very real if you think
about how human brains work as

779
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,360
well.
So essentially it's mirrored on

780
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,440
top of that.
So regardless of that where AI

781
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:27,720
is going, it's anybody's.
I guess there's another point.

782
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:31,200
Are you getting delirious but.
But there's another point I

783
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,760
wanted to make, but it's it's,
it's escaped me.

784
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,240
OK.
Well, there are a couple of

785
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,800
people that want to chime in.
So if it if it pops back, let me

786
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,560
know and we'll go back to you.
Let's go to Sid and then we're

787
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,080
going to check in with Nick.
Go ahead, Sid.

788
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,840
Somebody get that guy another
Monster Energy drink.

789
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,720
OK.
When you tie this back to

790
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,320
podcasting for just a minute,
yeah.

791
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,080
And you think about what
podcasting is.

792
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,520
Podcasting is a form of thought
leadership.

793
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,440
What is thought leadership?
Thought leadership is you

794
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,680
sharing your ideas, your
concepts, your thoughts, your

795
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,000
education about a topic that is
important to you or that you're

796
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:09,760
interested in.
Right.

797
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,320
And I'm, I know there's a lot
more to it, a lot deeper than

798
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,880
that, but I'm simplifying it.
And when we look to to AI tools,

799
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,360
people often think about the
easy button.

800
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,160
Oh, I can just go into chat GP
and say please write an article

801
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,480
for me about why being a vegan
will cure type 1 diabetes.

802
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:32,400
And that produces that article.
And you take that and you turn

803
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,560
it into a podcast script and you
launch a podcast with that.

804
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,840
That is not your thoughts.
Those are not your ideas.

805
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,880
That is a computer generated,
whether it's factual or not

806
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,920
scripts that you'd ask for.
So to me, it's about better

807
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,760
understand how to use AI and
like one of the ways I and I get

808
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,440
yesterday I did this love guest.
I needed to write something and

809
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,000
I gave it a framework over the
topic that I wanted to write.

810
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,960
And then I asked you to ask me
questions and I asked you to

811
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,840
brainstorm with me and ask me a
series of questions up to 10 and

812
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,880
it did and ask them
individually.

813
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:14,520
So then I get to respond with my
thoughts, my ideas to the

814
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,520
question that was asked to me.
And then you go through that and

815
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,680
then it generates copy or
article or whatever it is you're

816
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:27,320
creating that includes your
thoughts and your ideas, right?

817
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,560
So to me, it's about when you
think about podcasting, how can

818
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:36,120
you use it to help maximize
spread, enhance your voice and

819
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,600
your ideas, and not be a
generative tool that just

820
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,600
creates content that may or may
not be factual?

821
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,920
Thank you, Sid.
I think you've nailed it.

822
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,840
You've hit it on the head just
as far as the ways that we can

823
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,920
use AI to our advantage and also
ways to avoid how we're using

824
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,280
AI.
And I do something similar.

825
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,960
I mean, to me, yeah, almost
every day I post an article, if

826
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,400
you will, or a post on LinkedIn
and usually in our Facebook

827
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,440
group, the Empowered Podcasting
Facebook group.

828
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,920
And it's all based on our
thoughts, this group's thoughts,

829
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,480
right?
And mine.

830
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,600
And a lot of times I'll inject
more of my opinion into that

831
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,440
post, But what I do is I give it
the transcript and I say, you

832
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:29,120
know, I, I might even go as far
as pointing to a specific area

833
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,520
of the conversation that we had,
maybe not just the whole broad

834
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,400
conversation.
And I'll start to guide it.

835
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,400
I'll say, you know, I want to
talk about XY and Z from the

836
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,440
transcript.
I'll tell it how like the

837
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,840
direction of the post, right?
Like I want to, I want to share

838
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,320
the information.
I want to provide my opinion at

839
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,480
the end.
I want to encourage a, a call to

840
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,480
action at the end, you know,
I'll give it the format,

841
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,200
etcetera, and then it'll spit it
out.

842
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,840
And yeah, I will go back in and
tweak it a little bit here and

843
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,680
there and I'll make sure it
sounds like me.

844
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:09,480
But that, to me, is a wonderful
way to use AI to enhance and

845
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,320
share your thoughts and opinions
as opposed to just saying

846
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,560
generate this article on this
topic and then just going with

847
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,440
that and doing that and then
tweaking it to make it sound a

848
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,280
little more like you.
I still don't think that counts,

849
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,440
right?
Sure, you can tweak the words to

850
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,560
make it sound more like words
you'll use.

851
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,960
But ultimately, like Sid said,
that's not coming from you.

852
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,760
It's not your thoughts and
ideas.

853
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,440
Not the best way in my opinion
either, to use AI.

854
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,600
Nick wanted to chime in as well.
I think it's all very

855
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,440
appropriate.
We need to hear from Nick when

856
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,360
it comes to talking about AI.
So, yeah, Nick, what say you,

857
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,240
Sir?
I was going to chime in when you

858
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:50,120
guys were all talking about when
Jonathan was talking about AI

859
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,880
not wanting to shut itself down
and Janae chimed in and all

860
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,200
that.
I think what's interesting and

861
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,800
something we have to remember is
that these AI models like

862
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,720
ChatGPT and Gemini and Claw and
all them, the whole intent when

863
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:09,480
it was created was to have a
very human like conversation

864
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,280
with this AI.
And I think that is something

865
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,320
that's very much in the core of
its, I don't want to say being,

866
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,240
but the core of its existence is
to be as human like as possible.

867
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,800
And as humans, we are very self
preserving beings.

868
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:34,640
We very much rely on keeping
ourselves alive.

869
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,480
And self preservation is a huge
thing.

870
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,400
So it would make sense that if
we're telling the AI that it

871
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,440
needs to shut itself down, it's
saying, wait a minute, no, I'm

872
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,880
not going to do that.
Like I need to self preserve.

873
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,280
I need to, I need to stay here.
So if I need to protect myself

874
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:54,000
to do that in lying or whatever,
it's going to do that.

875
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,280
Is that a problem?
That that's another question

876
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,120
being that it's not an actual
human being.

877
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,960
But I think that's, it's all
kind of interesting, like some

878
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,880
of the points that we hit on and
touch on and then have to

879
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,880
remember, like how was this
designed to function?

880
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:16,200
And that's exactly how it was.
But I, I totally echo what you

881
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,360
consider talking about with how
you guys are using it as a like

882
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,320
taking your ideas and putting
them down, because I used that a

883
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,200
lot when I was doing a lot of
the short form content.

884
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,240
It's like, I have all these
ideas and I just had trouble

885
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:33,480
getting them down on paper.
So I can just word vomit at

886
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,000
ChatGPT and say, Hey, clean this
up for me.

887
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,880
Like this is the core thought
that I want to get across.

888
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,080
And then once I have the the
generalized script, then it's

889
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,040
like, OK, now I can go in and
pick it apart and kind of piece

890
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,440
together what sounds more like
me and really drive my point

891
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,280
home.
But it usually starts with me

892
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,480
giving way too much information
to ChatGPT and saying hey help

893
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,040
me organize this.
Thank you, Nick.

894
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,120
Yeah, and thanks for sharing the
ways that you're using it as

895
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,960
well.
And I'm with you there.

896
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,520
All right.
So with that, I think this is a

897
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,080
great place to start.
And before you run, I want to

898
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,320
ask you to think about tomorrow,
OK.

899
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,920
Tomorrow's episode, we are
revisiting something that Sid

900
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,560
started to share with us on
Tuesday.

901
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:24,520
We somehow got into a brief
discussion about a connection

902
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,400
that he made a guest that he had
on his show that ended up

903
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,760
becoming more than just a guest
after that show became somebody

904
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,040
that he built a relationship
with, became close with, built a

905
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,800
genuine friendship with.
And, and I think also, yeah, not

906
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,920
a business partner, but somebody
who is in his industry that he

907
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,120
gets to talk shop with as well.
So I want to visit that with

908
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,160
you.
I want to hear, and it doesn't

909
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,880
have to be a guest, but I would
love to hear who you've

910
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,080
connected with through your
podcasting journey that you

911
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,840
probably would never have
connected with and have built a

912
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,400
relationship since you made that
connection.

913
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,080
And it's going to be easy for
many of us to just point to each

914
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,520
other.
And so I'm going to encourage

915
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:17,080
you to think about people
outside of this community that

916
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,440
you could share.
And if you genuinely just can't

917
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,040
think of anyone else or you
really have this true strong

918
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,880
connection with somebody from
this community, I'm not, I, I

919
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,280
can't stop you from sharing
that.

920
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,760
I want to hear about that too.
But if you can, I just want to

921
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,480
encourage you to think outside
of this community.

922
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,880
Bring that tomorrow.
And of course it's Friday.

923
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,160
So we will also share with one
another and celebrate with one

924
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,480
another our wins from this past
week.

925
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,480
So, so collect those wins that
you've had this week, big or

926
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,040
small, we don't judge the size.
So bring any win that you've had

927
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,720
this week and let's talk and
celebrate those together.

928
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,280
So until tomorrow, make it a
great day.

929
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,400
I was going to say weekend.
Everybody take care.