331 - Podcast Editing Tools and Techniques

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Good morning podcasting morning
Chat.

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Today is Tuesday, July the 1st,
2025 and today we're diving into

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the truth behind podcast post
production.

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From tools to time saving
tricks, we're answering the

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age-old question, how long
should this really take to edit?

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Thanks for being here.
Good morning again podcasting,

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Morning Chat.
Thank you for being here.

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I am your host Mark Ronik.
And on this full stage with me

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we have producer Ashley Feller,
Dr. Faye, Sid Meadows, Jonathan

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Howard, Nick Naul back and Alex
Baelish.

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And I think Amanda Sharp is
going to be joining us here

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momentarily.
And I say that because she gave

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me an idea for an upcoming
episode.

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And I'll give you the the whole
back story here yesterday.

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If you follow me on social
media, you may have heard, and I

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had started letting the team
here know we had a good last few

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days here at the podcasting
morning chat.

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Yesterday I saw on the Apple
Podcast charts that we hit #42

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in the How To category #42 of
all podcasts that are in the How

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to category.
We are, yeah.

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We're #42 it's pretty
impressive.

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We've not gotten that high
before.

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I think we have cracked the top
100 in the past.

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But the reason I think that
really kicked this into high

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gear for us was that Steve from
Blue's Clues episode that we did

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on Thursday last Thursday.
It has become by far our number

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one downloaded episode ever
since we became a podcast and

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went from streaming only to a
podcast.

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And when I say by far, I mean, I
actually haven't done the math

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yet, but it's got to be like 3
or 4 times the amount of

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downloads.
And then the after effect all of

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our other episodes, not all a
lot of our other episodes have

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gotten a big bump as a result of
I guess people finding our show.

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So to any new listeners, new
community members, welcome to

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the podcasting Morning Chat.
Thank you for being here and

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thank you for catapulting us up
the charts to number 42.

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I think we're in the 60s as of
this recording now, and still

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very proud of that.
And I was really affected by

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that episode in the sense just
the story and just how powerful

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Steve from Blue's Clues has
become as far as social media

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goes and his messaging and how
it affects people.

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And now that he's starting a
podcast this fall, I'm just

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fascinated by him.
And Amanda, I know you've been

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thinking about that episode
since I hipped you guys along

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to, you know, this whole idea of
that, you know, we've got so

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many downloads from that one
episode.

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It got you thinking.
And I was curious if you would

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share that thought here because
I think I want to talk about it

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later this week.
I would love to.

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So I was just going grocery
shopping, doing some driving and

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I thought, I think a lot in my
car obvious.

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I think a lot of people do it.
I just started thinking about

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the setup of his podcast and
just how hungry I think people

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again are for real conversations
like we discussed during that

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episode.
And then it took me to what if

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he would have never said yes to
being Steve from Booze Cruise.

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Now he was younger.
Can you imagine?

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I'm sure his friends maybe
teased him, made fun of him,

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that as an actor, that is not
like your slam dunk role, right?

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Like, I think that would not
have been what he maybe would

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have chosen, given a list of
several things.

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So had he not said yes to that
and taking that leap of faith,

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like maybe he didn't understand
why he was saying yes, but he

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did.
And because he said that yes,

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it's led to this, this, this and
this, and then now this.

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So it's kind of, it just got me
thinking, what did our past

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cells say yes to that really set
up our future to be able to have

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the opportunity and say yes to
something else, even if it

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didn't make sense at the time.
Yeah, I absolutely love this.

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And when you texted me that, I
think probably the first thing I

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said to you is, yeah, that's a
good idea for a room topic.

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And I actually think taking it a
step further, saying or asking

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ourselves what are the things we
said no to that led us here?

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I think that can be equally as
powerful and eye opening.

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So the reason why I'm at.
I asked Amanda to more or less.

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It feels like a big set up and
then yet we're not going to do

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that right now.
The reason for that, it is

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calculated, I promise.
I want to give you all time to

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think about your answer because
to me, 7:00 AM the beginning of

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the week, it may be a tough one
for you to just come up with on

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the spot.
Take some thinking sometimes for

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others.
I'm sure you probably have your

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answer.
Alex, did you want to say

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something?
To go along with what Amanda

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said, I think that we're in a
time with podcasting and social

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media and everything else where
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We're more nostalgic, I think,
than we ever been before.

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And I think that that's really
the thing.

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And because of the fact that we
can have all these recordings

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and we can look back, it makes
it more nostalgic.

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I mean, that's why, you know,
for the podcasting that I do,

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that's how I got involved just
through conventions.

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So I mean, I, it's a great topic
I think to explore, but I, I

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think that's a main mainstay of
what we do now.

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I think it has to do a lot with
just streaming and all that

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other guy.
The, the nostalgia, not so much

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being nostalgic, but having
access to the nostalgia.

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I mean, if you look on Facebook,
it's all over the place if if

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you're of a certain age.
Yep, Absolutely.

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Thank you, Alex.
Yeah, go ahead, Amanda.

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That's why I do my TikTok the
way that I do it because I'm

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documenting things that I don't
want to forget because you know,

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we get busy and those moments
that were so important to us at

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that time and that we swear we'd
never forget.

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Sure enough, we do.
And anytime I'm going through my

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Facebook memories or something
like that, I love when something

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surprises me and I go, I did do
that because I'm not a dweller.

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I don't, I remember the really
great big things typically with

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Owen, but there's all those
little things that were also

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important to that I often
forget.

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So to Alex's point, I love that
we can utilize social media or a

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podcasting to to just document
our life because if we're

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living, it's worth documenting.
Agreed.

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And you all have me, you all
have me thinking because I'm

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also seeing in the chat,
Jonathan says.

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All right, I got my answer and
it sounds like, you know, Alex

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is interested in discussing
this.

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I think Amanda's probably
thought about this a little bit

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and I know I told even Dr. about
this earlier this morning.

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So I'm going to audible this for
a second or actually I'm going

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to ask you to audible this with
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In other words, do we discuss
today editing because we have a

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mail back question about how
long it should take?

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Whatever it is, whatever the
topics are, not editing.

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Whatever it is, it's just not
editing.

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OK, OK, I love it.
OK, thank you.

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So there were only two It was
either editing or the saying

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what have you said yes to?
So what do we what do we want?

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Put it in the chat.
Would you do you want to talk

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about editing or like Alex?
Hell no, Don't want to talk

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about editing.
Let's talk about what are the

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things that you said yes to.
I know you don't.

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What are the things that you
said let yes to that led you to

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today?
What do we think, Jonathan?

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I'm coming to you.
What do you think?

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I can share what I've said yes
to and and how it's impacted my

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life, but if everybody else
isn't ready, it's a lot for all

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right, not for me to carry the
rest of the show.

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I'm not putting it all on your
shoulders.

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Yes, go ahead, Amanda.
I would recommend that even if

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we just table this until
Thursday like you originally

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suggested, only because since we
spoke, I have so many layers of

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feelings.
I've went through this like, oh,

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this is the yes, but then a
better one comes and then a

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better one comes.
And I just feel like the more I

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think on it, the deeper it goes
of how that yes impacted

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something in the future.
So I definitely recommend giving

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it a day or two to, to sit with
us.

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And I think the answers are
going to like, maybe Jonathan

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has the one, but I think a lot
of us will really go, oh, wow,

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this one's even better.
Or like, formulate the story

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better with it, you know?
You know what Amanda Mark is

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going to send out on the the
thing?

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All the short codes for Audacity
so we can get really do a deep

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dive in all the short codes of
Audacity and Final cut that

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would be.
Great look.

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I think that sharing a few
shortcuts wouldn't be wouldn't

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be the end of the world and.
Actually, we had that

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conversation in a, in a chat
with my other group and and

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like, I forgot to show codes.
That's why I'm laughing, because

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it it's totally, Yeah,
appropriate, Yeah.

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So all right, so we will, let's
dig into the editing stuff.

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I accept what Amanda's saying.
I think that was the original

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thought I had anyway.
So we will dig into that on

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Thursday.
And for those of you who are

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new, the reason why I say
Thursday and not Wednesday,

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which is tomorrow is because
Wednesdays are scheduled news

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and comment episode.
So we go through all the

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headlines around the world of
podcasting tomorrow and we

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discuss them and not just really
the world of podcasting, also

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anything content creation
related.

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So we'll do do news tomorrow and
Thursday.

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What are the things you've said
yes to that brought you to where

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you are today?
So start thinking about that now

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and would love to have your
participation.

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And again, thank you all for
helping us crack the top 50 of

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how to podcasts on the Apple
Podcast platform.

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OK so today I want to get into
then editing.

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This is from a mailbag question.
It comes from Femi.

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I hope I've pronounced the name
correctly.

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Femi in Brooklyn, NY.
Femi says.

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Hey everyone, just wondering how
long should it take to edit a 30

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minute podcast episode?
I'll tell you right now, in my

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opinion, there is no
one-size-fits-all answer.

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For example, what kind of
podcast are you doing?

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How many people are
participating on your podcast?

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Is it just you?
Do you have you and a Co host?

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You and a Co host and a guest,
multiple guests?

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I mean, these are all factors
that you have to consider and

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we'll talk about that.
We'll breakdown what really

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affects your edit editing time,
what tools can help, and whether

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you're making life easier or
harder for yourself.

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Plus, we want to hear any
editing horror stories if you

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got them, time saving tips and
maybe even some confessions.

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So who's who's still editing out
their podcast, whether it's

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every Go ahead, Alex.
What and what are you using?

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Alex, what are you using to
edit?

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Tell us that too, OK?
First off, when I first started,

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I used Audacity because it's
free and that's what was, that's

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what I was taught on.
And I got to tell you without a

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doubt, I know there's better
editing programs out there, but

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it's the best.
It's free, but it's the best and

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it's what I know.
So when I first started editing,

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I learned from, thankfully and
not thankfully, a sound engineer

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who basically drilled into US
every and space needed to be

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filled in a certain way.
As I am right now.

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It would take me it seemed like
days to do an hour podcast then.

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And how many people on the
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Usually was 2, maybe 3.
And the way Audacity does it, if

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you line everybody up, it's
great because audio only is so

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much easier then I did, you
know, use the script and I

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actually like the script for one
Piece in terms of, you know,

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seeing this, the transcript and
editing that way.

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So I used to do that, but I
can't do certain things in the

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script that I can do in Audacity
because I can't figure it out.

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That all being said, then I went
to video and now I really don't

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edit unless there's a major
problem the video because it's

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just too hard to do.
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before years and years and years
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company, but in terms of audio,
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good at it, I can do it on like
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kind of go through it.
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the whole thing all over again
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sick of it.
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right answer.
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It's what you do.

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So that's great.
Thank you, Alex, and I'm with

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I still use Audacity usually.

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Look, I'm not editing nearly as
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helping me with the editing
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granted not a typical edit
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day and I'm not going to get
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maybe we'll get into it in a
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So yeah, Audacity, I still use
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I think similarly to you, it's

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the tool I first really learned
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about Audacity is that it does
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whistles, but you don't have to
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overwhelmed with all of the
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it's audio only.
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world right now of podcasts must
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with, but more people now are
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business then I use it for
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it's it's great for doing that.
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benefits to that particular
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They don't change it up too
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but I mean, they don't do too
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As far as you know, we do this

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live on YouTube as well.
I don't do any editing to the

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video and I leave it up there
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I just, why not, right?
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there's more factors to consider
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Not me.
No, not me.

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Why not?
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Good morning I'm in the kitchen,
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different.
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she insisted on going over to
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The audacity of her, pardon the
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So she said, you know it it, it
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cut crazy if we did that.
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clears her voice or she coughs
or something during every single

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episode.
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keep an ear out for that and any
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anything that would detract from
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Dr. Can I stop you real quick?
What do you What do you call a?

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What is a tongue stumble?
You know, if someone tries to

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get out something like three
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time, I will do a crossfade.
So, and that's what I like to

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I like to do crossfades.

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I really don't care for jump
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in Canva, and I know I'm going
to get a lot of shade about

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Canva, but it is really, really
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You put your tops and tails on
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there, maybe at the end there's
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information, and voila, chef's
kiss.

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ATR, I did my openings and
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I use Canva.
I've done, I've done tons of

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shorts with Canva.
Don't I mean, Canva is a good

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tool.
It has its limitations, but it's

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don't, there's no reason to give
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I mean, are there better tools?
I know, Nick, I'll tell you,

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there's 27 other better tools
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But you know what?
It, it, it does its job.

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It's like, it's like audacity.
It's it's a workforce.

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updates all the time.
And if someone has made a

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decision about Canva like 6
months ago that it's not for

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you, take another look because
there's been several updates

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since then.
Yeah, yeah.

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And to be clear, in case
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why I think we're why Dr. said
people may throw a shade at her

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freezing Canva.
Not for the tool itself, because

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I use Canva regularly.
I use it for episode art, I use

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it for pretty much so all social
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Not necessarily video editing
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personally think it's fine for
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putting something together like
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But it, it does have a lot of
limitations as far as video

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editing is concerned.
So that's why I, well, I

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wouldn't ever really throw shade
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I just think that there are
other tools that are just as

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intuitive that offers a lot
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The learning curve is so low
when it comes to Canva and when

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I first started editing I I
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I did everything.
I would pay other people to do

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it.
And eventually I just had to

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buckle down and learn the
language of the time of the

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sound wave.
And this was before, you know,

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editing via text.
The transcript came about.

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because that's what that sound
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It's kind of another language.
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you know, I could see an umm in
the timeline and I can.

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OK, that's normal.
I wouldn't even have to listen

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to it.
So I love editing now.

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I mean, I, yeah.
I have a question.

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You know how you always talk
about your this, this person,

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and she always has these
intricacies with her coughing or

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whatever?
Yeah.

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I'm not trying to be funny when
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Have you taught her how to use
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I'm not trying to be funny.
I'm really not.

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If she knows they.
Usually come on so organically

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and they usually come on while
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even finishes her sentence
during the anyway, you know,

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during the clearing of the
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So that's always a challenge,
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So that's something it sounds to
me almost like a reflex or I

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don't want to say a tick, but it
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she normally does in her regular
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So she probably wouldn't be able
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time.
And that's a great call, Alex.

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But I think the way Dr. is
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challenge.
Jonathan, I wanted to ask you

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what you share just now in the
chat and to elaborate a little

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bit, if you don't mind.
I mean, Canva to me kind of

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blows my mind when it comes to
video because to me it's so slow

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when it comes to video.
But I want to know about the

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crossfades because crossfades to
me seem like they would almost

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feel out of place in a podcast
edit when you're trying to get

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rid of a cough or an omener.
It why the jump cut hatred.

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I can say in TV, I think that's
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TV generally no jump cuts.
I mean, when I was doing TV

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production, it's anytime if I
had a jump cut it somewhere, I

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would get slapped on the wrist
for it.

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Like no, no, you missed that.
You got to fix that.

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It just wasn't.
It's not accepted in the world

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of.
TV You might have to explain

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jump cuts to some of the
newbies.

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So jump yeah, jump cuts where
like and go look at a lot of my

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videos.
You'll see it all the time as

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far as my shorts, because you do
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reels where basically the person
is, let's say, looking directly

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at the camera, talking to you,
sitting in their chair.

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a jump cut to them turning to

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their side, looking off camera,
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There was no it.
You can see it's a clean or

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clear edit, whereas if you do
maybe a crossfade or you maybe

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put up a picture or a video to
cover up that jump cut.

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No one knows the difference in
its looks and feels more smooth.

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That's But jump cuts become a
thing in the world of social

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media.
Yeah.

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I mean, there are standard and
social media, but is it a single

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person podcast that you're
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you do all your podcasts?
It's an interview.

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OK, I just do jump cuts to the
other person.

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That's just it just makes life
easier.

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But.
I think as far as far as digital

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media goes, I think it is way
more accepted and it didn't used

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to be either.
But I think as social media grew

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and grew and grew and, and
creators were creating content,

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DIY style, right, and teaching
themselves how to do it, the

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jump cut just became the norm
and now people are doing it in

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social media.
True social media has made it

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more acceptable.
When you look at my clients

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videos, I mean you barely notice
that there has been a crossfade.

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You barely notice because Canva.
I'm sorry not a brat because

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Canva.
You can adjust the timing on the

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crossfade.
It could be anywhere from 0.1

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second to, you know, to a full 3
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Yeah.
And most places, most tools,

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yeah, that you can put a time
frame on that transition.

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And yeah, when you do a very
quick short crossfade, sometimes

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it's barely noticeable, if at
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Nick, I saw you wanted to say
something.

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Good morning.
Go ahead.

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Hey.
Good morning.

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I would say jump cut versus not
jump cut is still a highly

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contested topic and I see it all
the time on people's vivos in

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the comments section on YouTube
and stuff like that.

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People either bashing the way
that they edit because they use

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too many jump cuts or why didn't
you use fade or why'd you fade

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not jump cut.
It does make for very snappy

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edits that we're used to seeing
on social media now.

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So I think the style is being
more accepted like you guys are

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saying, but it is definitely
still a highly contested subject

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among.
They actually jump cuts work for

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me on shorts because the
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captions are very jump cuddy.
So it makes sense to have the

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rest of it be jump cuddy.
And yes, I just said jump cuddy.

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We can add that to the
languaging of.

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Everything.
Which I looked up and languaging

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is a word, at least from what I
found.

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It's a word, but it had not been
a word in my world until I heard

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you say it, and now I won't let
you forget it.

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I know it, I know it.
Oh man.

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And of course, now I lost what I
wanted to say about the, the,

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oh, the jump cuts.
It is.

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So it's that famous phrase.
I like to say it causes the

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pattern disrupt.
And I think that's why it works

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so well on social media because
it doesn't feel so smooth and

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there isn't it.
There is such a noticeable

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transition between 1 scene to
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It keeps people's attention.
You know, if I'm looking in One

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Direction, talking to you on
camera and then all of a sudden

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I'm in a completely different
setting or in standing instead

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of sitting, it does.
Whether you're consciously aware

446
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,600
of it or not, it does keep your
attention.

447
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,520
But are even going to B roll?
I was just going to say it keeps

448
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,720
the pace moving, which is why I
think it works on social media

449
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,840
because everything needs to be
fast to hold everyone's

450
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,880
attention.
And with a crossfade, it's kind

451
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,400
of a, it's obviously a slower
transition, right?

452
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,280
So that's a potential
opportunity to lose a viewer.

453
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,800
So I think that's why it worked
so great on social.

454
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:15,880
Absolutely.
Yeah.

455
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,200
Thank you, Nick.
All right, I'm going to go,

456
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,760
Ashley, if you don't mind, I'd
like to put you on the spot.

457
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,200
And ask you to share a little
bit about how long it takes you

458
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,000
and what you're using to edit a
typical episode.

459
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,920
And I know you edit more than
just your own podcast, so pick

460
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,280
one and tell us a little bit
about it.

461
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,920
So I guess if I'm going to pick
one, I'd pick My Happy Ass Life.

462
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,280
That's a video and audio podcast
I've been working on for a few

463
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:51,280
years now and it usually takes
me about an hour and a half to

464
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,280
fully edit.
A hour long podcast that has

465
00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:00,760
lots of visual elements, lots of
transitions, background music

466
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,480
and things that are in place
every time.

467
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,440
The thing that has really helped
is having a preset template, you

468
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,200
know, so that every single time
I don't have to, I'll go find

469
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,240
the intro, drop that in, I'll go
find these credits from the

470
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,360
sponsor, drop that in, that sort
of thing.

471
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:23,040
And I use the script and there's
things I love and there's things

472
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,640
I don't love about it.
I'm strongly considering going

473
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,480
to Final Cut.
Final Cut, I know Nick was just

474
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,600
talking about Pro Tools in the
chat.

475
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:36,840
Maybe there's something there
for you.

476
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,840
Nick, did you want to mention
anything about Pro Tools and

477
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,640
specifically?
Oh, Ashley actually mentioned

478
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,480
Pro Tools and I was just kind of
back in what she said.

479
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,560
I think Pro Tools is awesome,
but it's a lot.

480
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,960
It is a lot.
There's this talk about learning

481
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,680
curves.
There's a lot to learn there.

482
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,480
And again, I mean is if you just
learned the basics, I think you

483
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,680
could get by.
But Pro Tools is also cost you a

484
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:05,200
pretty penny I believe, so you
may want to make sure you take

485
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,240
some time to really learn the
software to take full advantage

486
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,320
of it.
Cool.

487
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,760
OK.
Oh, go ahead.

488
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,880
You know, it's just so funny
because I keep going back to

489
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,880
Audacity and they make it so
simple.

490
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,880
I like Dr. Said, it's a shame
that they don't add the video

491
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,920
piece to it because editing
isn't that hard.

492
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,680
It's the programs that make it
hard.

493
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,320
I swear I beat up Simona about
the script all the time.

494
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,760
It is so confusing and I've
tried and tried.

495
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,120
I mean, I've just, you know, put
my hands.

496
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,120
I mean, she could teach me 1000
times.

497
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,560
It's still not going to make it
any better and I just don't

498
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,160
understand.
I mean I've used iMovie which is

499
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,320
pretty easy, but it still has
it.

500
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,560
It's a little, yeah, it's a
little limited.

501
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,720
It's a little limited.
I mean, it's just so hard and I

502
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,120
don't understand why these these
programs are so hard because all

503
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,840
you're doing is taking stuff
out, putting it in and extending

504
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,800
it.
I mean, going back to what Dr.

505
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,640
said, you can say what you want
about the.

506
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,720
Canva.
Canva.

507
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,920
But it has.
I know, I know, she's going to

508
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:16,160
have to edit the lock out now,
but it has its, IT has its

509
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,280
little quirks, but it still does
the job sometimes.

510
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,880
I just wanted to say that really
what I've noticed is that I

511
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:31,960
think Riverside is, for me, much
easier to edit with than

512
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,800
descript.
It is super intuitive, it's user

513
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,080
friendly, and it lets you do
pretty much everything you want

514
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,800
to do.
And it keeps, it keeps

515
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:49,280
expanding, it keeps upgrading
and it what it seems to always

516
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,920
do, though with every update,
every upgrade gets a little

517
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,800
easier to use.
It's not the opposite, right

518
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,280
Where we talk about descript.
It seems like when there are new

519
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,960
updates or first of all, there
are lots of updates and it feels

520
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,520
like it's, it's a challenge to
learn some of the new things.

521
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,960
Riverside I, I do most of my
editing for social media, for

522
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,600
video clips.
I do mostly in Riverside and

523
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,680
sometimes in Minbo.
Some in a lot of times I'm using

524
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,240
actually both because there are
some features about Minbo that I

525
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,720
really like that Riverside
doesn't have.

526
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,880
And I use Riverside mainly
because that's where I record

527
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,840
everything, whether it's this
show, whether it's my social

528
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,520
media content.
And it's nice just to have it

529
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,080
all there.
I don't have to export then

530
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,800
import it into something else.
So I do my first big pass of

531
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:49,840
editing using Riverside, and
then if I have extra things I

532
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,600
want to do to it that Minvo has
to offer, I'll export that.

533
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,480
What I did in Riverside, drop it
in Minvo, add whatever I want to

534
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,000
add to it there, and export it.
Let's see.

535
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,400
OK, Dr., did you want to respond
to something about Riverside

536
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,880
before I go to Ashley?
You had mentioned first pass and

537
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:13,120
my first pass is done on a, a
dock called Resound dot FM.

538
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:19,960
And what it does is you can
program it to flag all the Umm's

539
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,880
and Ah's and big gaps and things
like that.

540
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,200
And you're basically just a
babysitter.

541
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,720
As you listen to the podcast
occasionally when there's a word

542
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,720
that sounds that has the, uh,
sound like a round about

543
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,760
sometimes, not all the time, but
sometimes it will catch that

544
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,680
word.
So you just go in and, and you

545
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,800
make the adjustment because
it's, you're just playing the,

546
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,120
you're just playing the show
and, you know, listening to it

547
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,920
for that kind of thing.
And it's, if it's a solo show,

548
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,200
that's usually all I need.
If it is a interview show and

549
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,480
there's, you know, in any
organic kind of situation,

550
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,160
people are going to talk on top
of each other and things like

551
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,240
that.
I will take that interview show,

552
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,280
I'll put it into Audacity after
Resound and I will move the

553
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,800
conversations to where they're
not speaking on top of each

554
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,520
other.
Unless it's if it's laughter and

555
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,280
stuff like that, I let that go.
But other than that, I'm a big

556
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,440
fan of Resound.
Unfortunately, I feel like the

557
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:33,560
creators are either abandoning
it or they've got something else

558
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,080
going on because they have not
done an update in a long time.

559
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,680
And this is one of those that
you can see their road map of

560
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,480
things that they've done things
that they're planning.

561
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,520
You know, the the things that
they're planning have like a

562
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,200
years, a year ago, they were
planning it.

563
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:58,120
So it's I just want to shake
them so bad because it was I

564
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,920
couldn't use it last night for
something that was time

565
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,720
sensitive and I had a little bit
of a mini mini breakdown.

566
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,639
Yeah, I rely pretty heavily on
it.

567
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,880
Yep, thank you.
DRI was thinking about a comment

568
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,760
as you were sharing about
resound that you had made

569
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,520
earlier about how you can
visually see the Umm's.

570
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,520
I wanted to comment on that
earlier.

571
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:26,360
I can pick out an UMM in a wave
format almost every time and

572
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,280
that I was curious how many
people in this room who have

573
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,400
edited for themselves before,
How many of you could recognize

574
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,360
a word like UMM in the waveform
as you're going through an edit

575
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,480
timeline?
Yeah, Dr. says yes, obviously

576
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,320
put in the chat.
Can you recognize the word or

577
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,719
another word that you commonly
are editing when it's a way in a

578
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,639
wave format?
Yeah.

579
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,199
Ashley says yes to.
OK.

580
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,440
And Speaking of Ashley, I said
it was going to come to you.

581
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Ashley, what did you want to add
from earlier?

582
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,960
Because I think there was
something you wanted to add to

583
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,600
or to respond to.
I see Alex took off, but I just

584
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,040
wanted to empathize with Alex a
little bit on what the script

585
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,720
does.
And part of this leads into my

586
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,960
my love frustration relationship
with the script.

587
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,640
And it's that, you know, every
time that you use it, it has to

588
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,240
essentially upload the file to
the online version of the

589
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,760
script, whether you're using it
or not.

590
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,680
So if you're in a place that has
no Internet or bad Internet, or

591
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,120
your connection is poor, you're
really not in a good place to

592
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,520
be.
So it can really, really mess

593
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,040
with the playback speed.
And if you're doing video,

594
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,480
that's not good.
So part of my motivation for

595
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,200
Final Cut is I'm pretty sure
that you can use it without

596
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,760
Internet connection.
I was wondering if anybody knows

597
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,720
the answer to that?
Yeah, you, you should be.

598
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:51,440
And I'll let Nick answer that
for sure.

599
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,160
But yeah, that that software
that you put on your computer

600
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,640
and work from directly through
your computer, you're not using

601
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,800
it via Internet.
I mean, it probably it does

602
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,800
connect to the Internet, but you
can still edit and use it even

603
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,320
if you don't have an Internet
connection.

604
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,520
And that's a downside to
Riverside too, because it is an

605
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,920
Internet based application.
Nick, I know you wanted to chime

606
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,840
in anyway, so take it away.
Yeah, Final Cut, Davinci

607
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,240
Resolve, Premiere Pro, all those
programs can function without

608
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:26,080
Internet access.
And like you guys said, a lot of

609
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,280
them have Internet
functionality.

610
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,400
Like I think with Final Cut, you
can probably upload your edits

611
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,400
to the cloud and then you can
download it and continue editing

612
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,160
on your iPad kind of thing.
Most of them have that kind of

613
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,440
software functionality.
But I wanted to bring up because

614
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,720
we've been talking about
Audacity a lot and the

615
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:47,480
limitations and video, and it's
hard to beat 399 of Audacity,

616
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,320
but I really love Audition.
And part of the reason that I

617
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,520
love it is that's Adobe, that's
Adobe Audition.

618
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,800
Yep.
And one of the things that I

619
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,280
love about it is once you get to
the video editing side and

620
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,720
you're going to be doing
Premiere Pro for your video

621
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:07,640
editing, all of those Adobe
programs are essentially linked.

622
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,960
Or in my case, what I use a lot
is Premiere Pro links files

623
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,400
directly with Adobe Audition.
So I can be editing my video

624
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,760
file and I'll right click on my
audio track and there'll be an

625
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,240
option that says bring it into
Audition and then it opens up

626
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,560
audition.
I can do all of my edits, save

627
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,080
the edits, and then all of those
edits are automatically brought

628
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,040
back into Premiere Pro.
What's even cooler with that is

629
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,600
they are actually linked.
Like anytime I go back into

630
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,720
Audition to make an edit, that
edit is automatically going to

631
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,080
be pulled back into Premiere
Pro.

632
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,640
And I never have to worry about,
oh shoot, I have to bring this

633
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,600
back into Audition and I have to
bring that back into Premiere

634
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,680
Pro and like keep going back and
forth like that.

635
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,440
Like I can literally have both
programs open and every time I

636
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,080
make a change, it's reflected in
my final video.

637
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,520
So it it's really nice and
intuitive like that because

638
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,160
you're not constantly exporting
and importing files just to get

639
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,040
something simple done.
But again, it's not 399 like

640
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,320
Audacity.
So that's definitely a limiting

641
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,520
factor for a lot of people.
But if you're already using

642
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,120
something like Audacity, the
jump to audition isn't that

643
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,000
great.
You just get more functionality

644
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,320
in my opinion.
Yeah, I agree with you there,

645
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,760
absolutely.
And that is super convenient to

646
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,880
be able to bounce between
different applications.

647
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,800
And they just automatically know
intuitively how to work with one

648
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,560
another because they're all from
the same brand, the same family.

649
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,400
And by the way, I don't think
when I asked Dr. And Ashley and

650
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,000
Jonathan, I'm going to come to
you next about your editing

651
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,640
processes, but I don't know that
either of you shared how long it

652
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,360
takes you on average to edit the
episodes of those podcasts that

653
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,760
you work on.
So Dr. what the one with the

654
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,400
business coach, how long does
that take you on average to

655
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,640
edit?
And does she have guests as

656
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,520
well?
She does have guests.

657
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:11,520
She does about 50% guess, 50%
solos.

658
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:17,920
Her episodes run anywhere from
30 to 40 ish minute.

659
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,800
OK, so that's just like the
mailbag question.

660
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,240
They were asking how long it
takes for a 30 minute episode to

661
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,080
edit.
Yeah.

662
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,760
So it might take me probably
about 40, maybe an hour to do

663
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,160
those with because I have the
two programs, I have Resound and

664
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,520
I have Audacity.
So yeah.

665
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,880
OK, and how about you, Ashley?
How long does it take you to

666
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,720
edit my?
It's my happy ass life, right?

667
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,280
Yeah, my happy ass life.
Most of the time anywhere from

668
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,440
an hour to an hour and a half to
do full video was, like I said

669
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,360
before, lots of moving elements,
a sponsor block, all kinds of

670
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,240
stuff going on.
OK cool, that helps.

671
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,920
I want to make sure we are
actually answering that question

672
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,000
and I've heard I don't know if
this is.

673
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,840
Right or wrong, but I've heard a
lot of people say in the editing

674
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,280
world that your edit should take
you around 1 1/2 to two times

675
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,720
the total running time of the
episode.

676
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,720
So if you're doing a 30 minute
episode, it should take you an

677
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:21,440
hour to 90 minutes to edit.
But you know what's wrong with

678
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,000
that?
Is that that saying that rule of

679
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:33,840
thumb was created or thought of
before all this technology

680
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,080
started?
You know, before the transcript

681
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,880
editing and before all of that?
And by the way, I hate

682
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,160
transcript editing.
I would much rather use the the

683
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,840
sound waves.
I'm wondering how many people

684
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,600
are in my boat with me.
I would say, you know what I and

685
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,040
I'm glad you brought that up.
I would say that it's a kind of

686
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,440
a combination.
I don't say I solely work in

687
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,720
transcription editing, but it
does come in handy for some

688
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,080
editing even just to find my
place.

689
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:07,680
Right?
Like I don't need to use it

690
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,600
markers as much because if I
know what word or phrase I'm

691
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,880
looking for, I could either
search for it in a with their

692
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,280
search tool or I can just
eyeball it and find it very

693
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,280
quickly.
But that's one way I'm using it,

694
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,720
but not I'm not using it 100% of
the time.

695
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:28,520
I'm not using it to like edit
everything out, but again, when

696
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,160
I'm making my shorts using say,
Riverside, I do use their

697
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,640
transcription editor as like a
first pass edit.

698
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,200
I will go through the transcript
and I'll identify the fluff,

699
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,080
basically the things that
doesn't need to be in that

700
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,240
short, and I'll just delete them
from the transcript and then I

701
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,080
go back and then I play in the
timeline editor to make sure

702
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,240
it's a clean cut, make sure it
didn't lose anything, etcetera.

703
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:59,400
So I think it's a great tool to
have in in coordination in

704
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,120
combination with the typical
timeline editing, in my opinion.

705
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:08,520
But great point, Dr. that that
rule of thumb was, is something

706
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,960
that I've heard for years and
years and editing tools have

707
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,520
come a very long way since then.
So it probably should speed

708
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,720
things up.
So Jonathan, I'm coming to you

709
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,840
now.
Tell us a little bit about your

710
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,840
editing, how long it takes you
and and give us a little more

711
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,960
on, you know, do you have
guests, how many people on

712
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,440
average, etcetera, so we can get
a good sense of your project.

713
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,440
Yeah.
So to answer, first of all, the

714
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,680
keep only feature on Riverside
in the in the transcript editor

715
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,520
is gold when you're just taking
a chunk out of it or you know

716
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,720
you want to move apart to the
beginning of your episode, stuff

717
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,160
like that.
The keep only function is gold.

718
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,240
I love that from the transcript
editor.

719
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,960
I also do half and half really
when it comes to transcript or

720
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,160
wave because I do it on
Riverside and there's a lot of

721
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,520
stuff that you can do just in
the transcript on Riverside.

722
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:08,400
So for me it takes about now.
I will say for coffee social,

723
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,920
the one where I have Mimi as my
Co host, it usually takes me

724
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,240
about so it's a 15 minute
episode, it'll take me 1/2 hour

725
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:17,760
to edit.
If it's 1/2 hour episode, it'll

726
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,040
take me an hour.
But one of the reasons that

727
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,960
takes so long is because I do an
edit and I send it all off to

728
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,360
Mimi.
Mimi will look at it and and say

729
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,800
hey, this has to come out.
I don't like how this sounds and

730
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,200
I come back and I re edit it and
then listen to it.

731
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,320
So that's one thing that I
that's a little bit different.

732
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,400
So that takes a little bit of
extra time, but I, it still

733
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,480
works really well for us because
it does give us a clean, you

734
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,360
know, a pretty clean edit.
If I miss something, she'll

735
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,600
catch it.
If she missed something, I catch

736
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,520
it on the second pass.
So that's usually, you know, how

737
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,200
it goes.
I would say definitely, you

738
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,160
know, 15 minute episode, half
hour is what I'm going to what

739
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,160
it would take.
Now with my own podcast, I'm a

740
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,360
little bit quicker because I
don't have to have that second

741
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,040
person listen to it, although it
probably would still benefit me

742
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,360
if you also.
Don't have a second person?

743
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,040
And I don't have a second person
on mic with me, which, yeah,

744
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:15,360
when I first started editing,
that was a big deal.

745
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,920
Because, as Mark knows, Mimi
used to love holding her

746
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,040
microphone in her hand.
That was fun to edit.

747
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,680
Yeah, that's, that's just for
anybody.

748
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,640
I know that on social media we
like to hold our microphones a

749
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,480
lot and it doesn't work well for
podcasting.

750
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,600
You you can hear when the person
is touching the microphone.

751
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,920
Yes, I'm doing this for effect,
but you can hear it even when

752
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,720
they're touching just the base
of the microphone, not the

753
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,520
actual part you talk into, but
the actual base.

754
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,920
You can hear all that hand
movement and it is an editing

755
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,240
nightmare.
Yes, yes it was and I'm so happy

756
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,040
she has a light stand now.
Like no, you can't believe how

757
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,440
happy I am.
But I have a question with

758
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,720
Riverside.
So I have the option to have I

759
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:04,520
have three potential cameras
when I'm recording now.

760
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,440
I'm only using for my one right
now a single camera.

761
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,440
Can I do multi camera in
Riverside?

762
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,760
I haven't been able to figure it
out.

763
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,720
I don't know if you can do multi
camera.

764
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:21,760
I feel like I heard that that's
like a newer thing but I don't

765
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,000
know if you can actually do it
yet or not.

766
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,800
I mean it it records in multi
camera for you if if that's what

767
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,200
you're asking.
Like if you have but are you

768
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,960
talking about in person or
remotely or both?

769
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,240
So it's just going to be me.
So it would be sort of in

770
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:40,560
person.
I see also sort of remotely.

771
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,080
Yeah, so you're going to have
more than one camera on you.

772
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,160
Right.
I can have more than one camera

773
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,400
on me.
I could have up to three because

774
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,080
I've got, you know, my iPhone,
my Mac and you know, my, my

775
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,680
webcam.
So I could have up to three.

776
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,040
Interesting.
Yeah.

777
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,080
So that I don't know, if
anything, I would say that if

778
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,320
you want to do something like
that, as far as I know, you got

779
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,720
to use something like and you're
a Mac user, so something like

780
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:09,240
Ecamm, right?
Because then you can plug in the

781
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:13,560
three cameras and you can do
this, do it all live.

782
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,200
Right.
I think that's probably your

783
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,080
easiest solution, but I will
find out for you.

784
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,760
I'm in a Riverside beta group
with with the Riverside people.

785
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,640
So I'll, I'll ask if anybody
knows and I'll get back to

786
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,320
everyone and let let you all
know.

787
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,520
OK, thank you.
And now let's go to Mike Short

788
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,880
who has joined us on stage.
Good morning Mike.

789
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,760
What did you want to add?
And if you want to share about

790
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,520
your editing process, would love
to hear it.

791
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,840
I'm playing with the script and
I started off with GarageBand

792
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,480
and I'm still trying to figure
out how long it's going to take.

793
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,560
But I think we're missing a
couple of key points here.

794
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,600
I mean, we're talking a lot
about tools and technology.

795
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,200
And you know, if I've got to
move 500 lbs of sand, I could do

796
00:46:54,200 --> 00:47:00,400
it with $1000.20 year old Chevy
or $100,000 Ford Eddie Bauer

797
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,520
Edition.
And they both get the job done.

798
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,920
And once you're used to whatever
tools you're using, I think

799
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,080
that, you know, you can be
pretty efficient.

800
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,960
But what I think the part we're
missing is having a system,

801
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,160
having all of your assets
located in one place, having it

802
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,120
all, having your the system for
editing structured as opposed to

803
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,840
focusing on the tools.
So I've got spreadsheets where

804
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,640
in specific places on the
computer where I can grab music

805
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:36,600
or intros or other elements for
the program, quickly find them,

806
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,760
put them where they need to go.
And I think having a efficient

807
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,360
system is probably even more
important when you're talking

808
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,240
about how long it takes to edit
than the specific tools that

809
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:51,720
you're using.
So I just wanted to share that

810
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:53,960
because I think we've missed
that in the conversation.

811
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,960
I think you're right.
Thank you for bringing that up.

812
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,520
Yeah, I mean, we came close
because I know Ashley brought up

813
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,520
the fact that she likes to use
templates and that is part of

814
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,440
the process in my opinion.
She uses yeah, yeah, DR2.

815
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,920
So yeah, having those built in
templates to the editing

816
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,240
software.
So, you know, like, all right,

817
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:16,760
I'm going to be editing today,
the podcasting morning chat, and

818
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,320
you pull up that podcasting
morning chat template that's

819
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,240
going to save you a lot of time
right there.

820
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,520
But to Mike's point, having a
system in place, a process in

821
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:32,920
place, storing files that you
know, you use regularly, tips

822
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,560
like that are invaluable.
Like I, I think you, you've got

823
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,280
to set yourself up for success,
set yourself up to save yourself

824
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,320
as much time as possible.
So I'm curious then, does

825
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,280
anybody have a process in place
that they'd like to share

826
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,920
similarly to what Mike said
about, you know, know your file

827
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,240
storage and knowing the
different things you're using to

828
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:59,320
produce an episode in post
production, Does anyone have

829
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,680
any, anything in place that they
could share?

830
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,040
Go ahead, Jonathan.
One of the things again, that I

831
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,600
love about Riverside is I
already input all my assets that

832
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,640
I need at the, you know, when I
set up the show and you can have

833
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,960
it automatically set your brand
for you, set and add your intro

834
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,200
at the beginning, your outro at
the end.

835
00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:24,280
When you click the auto edit to
create your episode, it will do

836
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,840
those things for you and
whatever settings you have on

837
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,720
the on the editor there, it will
automatically do those things.

838
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:34,400
You just go in and it's got your
basics done for you.

839
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,440
So it's kind of AI template for
all intents and purposes, where

840
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,520
it puts, it lays in all the
things that you need as long as

841
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,360
you put your assets there.
So you've got your logos, you've

842
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,680
got your, you know, the songs
you use, you've got anything

843
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,160
right in there, it will
automatically do that for you.

844
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,920
And it is.
It saves so much time because I

845
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,800
remember spending time uploading
it each time going in and

846
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,960
changing the you know, the
layout and how I want the the

847
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,680
screens to look.
And that's all done for you now

848
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,320
when you hit the auto edit.
I like that.

849
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,960
Thank you, Jonathan.
And I saw Ashley.

850
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,960
Oh, Mike, you want to say
something before I go to Ashley?

851
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,760
Yeah, real quick.
I think the most basic thing

852
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,600
that you need to have is a
checklist for every episode.

853
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,160
And they just start with that.
And that way you don't miss

854
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,400
anything.
You make sure you've got it

855
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,440
covered.
And that's that helps you get

856
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,760
the whole idea of systematizing
started right.

857
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,680
Yeah, checklists come in very
handy in my company at Ironic

858
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,640
Media because we have so many
different clients and it's

859
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,880
important to, you know, what you
do with one client might be

860
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,200
different for another client.
So having the checklist of all

861
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,440
the main things you've got to do
for them, that's really helpful.

862
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,320
And that that goes for one
independent podcast too.

863
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,160
I think you still want to have
your checklist because I don't

864
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,840
know about you, but when I don't
use them, there are often times

865
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,880
I forget a piece or a step of
the process and then kick myself

866
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,000
later for it.
Let me go to Dr. and then I'll

867
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,000
go to Ashley because I think Dr.
wanted to respond to something

868
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,440
Mike was saying at least.
That's my guess.

869
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,200
I actually meant I actually
meant to do 100% that I agree,

870
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,120
but I will.
I will say that I am a checklist

871
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,200
girl.
I don't know how many people do

872
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,080
this, but I will purposely write
stuff on my checklist that I've

873
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,640
already done just so I can cross
it off and I can see that it's

874
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,880
crossed off.
I love a good checklist.

875
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,280
I am.
There's just so many moving

876
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:41,200
parts to a an episode, so many
moving parts that I I don't know

877
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,160
if I could function without a
checklist.

878
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,320
Yeah, agreed.
Ashley, how about you?

879
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,800
Dr. Around here are these parts.
We call that a done.

880
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,280
Did it list?
We do that too, yeah.

881
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,680
So what I wanted to say is that
for every show I work on, I keep

882
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,920
2 folders on that show.
One on an external hard drive

883
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,200
and then another one in Google
Drive.

884
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,560
So that way, if anything ever
happens to one or the other, I

885
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,520
can always access the assets
needed for that show.

886
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,000
And I have in each show folder a
list of priorities.

887
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,560
And this is just a suggestion
for those who may want to hire

888
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,400
an editor someday.
This editor will love you if you

889
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,240
do this.
And that is too if, especially

890
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:29,760
if you have any experience
editing yourself, write out a

891
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,680
list of priorities.
For example, you know some

892
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,120
podcast hosts want a high degree
of editing.

893
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,280
They want every umm and ah and
fill their word taken out.

894
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,120
And then others have a more
relaxed approach and if you can

895
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,520
work with them to make a list of
these are the things that are

896
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,960
important to me.
Concentrate on this first, then

897
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,720
it'll work out really well for
both.

898
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:53,640
Of you.
Love that.

899
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,520
Thank you, Ashley.
Great tip, great advice.

900
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,400
And again Mike, thank you for
bringing that portion, that

901
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,600
piece of the process to the
table today.

902
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,800
I don't think we would have
otherwise and agreed it is just

903
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,920
as important and could be a
bigger time saver at the end of

904
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,200
the day having those systems in
place for sure.

905
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,880
Dr. Did you want to add
something else?

906
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,840
Yeah, we're, we're getting close
to the time that's going to be

907
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,240
in the show, but it's really
important to me that everyone

908
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:27,360
know that we've done a lot of
talk about Audacity today and

909
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,800
Audacity 4 Point O is coming.
I know because I was in the beta

910
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:39,400
group so get ready.
OK.

911
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:45,040
It's very it looks very much
like Hindi, like a Hindenburg.

912
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,440
So you've gotten to really play
with that too, I guess.

913
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,920
OK, all right.
Cool.

914
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,560
Well then be on the lookout for
Audacity 4 O.

915
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,800
Do you have any idea when have
they said told you when they?

916
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:07,000
Haven't, but best guess is
probably January or March of

917
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,520
next.
So first quarter of 2026, we're

918
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,440
looking at.
OK, OK, cool.

919
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,440
Thanks for that tip, Dr. And
thank you all for adding and

920
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,960
contributing to today's
conversation.

921
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,320
We are back tomorrow at 7:00 AM
Eastern covering all the

922
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,600
headlines around the world of
podcasting and content creation.

923
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,080
And if you've got something
that's new to you, bring it.

924
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,400
We'd love to hear it because if
it's new to you, it's probably

925
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,040
new to someone else.
But we'll have plenty of

926
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,160
headlines to cover as well.
So come and join US, join the

927
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,320
conversation.
And remember Thursday we're

928
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,040
going to be asking you, what did
you say yes to that got you to

929
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,960
where you are today?
And bonus points if it's

930
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,040
specific to podcasting.
Maybe this is also your career.

931
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,120
Maybe you've got something
that's very clear.

932
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,000
That's very well.
I'll just say that's very clear

933
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,240
to you that yeah, if I hadn't
said yes to that, I wouldn't be

934
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:03,280
doing what I'm doing today.
I want to hear all about that

935
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,360
and also think about maybe some
things that you've said no to

936
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,760
that brought you to where you
are today.

937
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,880
Because there's plenty of things
that I'm sure we've turned down

938
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,280
along our paths that if we
hadn't, we would be on a much

939
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,280
different path today.
So start thinking about that.

940
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,280
We'll do it Thursday and until
tomorrow, make it a great day.

941
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,400
Everybody take care.