317 - Marc Maron Signs Off, Orson Welles Voice Lives On, and Kids Dive Into Summer Listening Challenge

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Wednesday, June 4th,
2025 and today we're back with a

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fresh batch of podcasting
headlines.

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From AI powered storytelling
with voices from the past to

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industry wide moves and video,
smarter ad tech reads and a

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farewell to one of the greats.
So if you're listening live on

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Clubhouse, hit the share button,
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screen and share it.
However, Clubhouse lets you.

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And if you're listening via
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episode with a fellow podcaster.
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Oh, there we go.
And now give me about 30 seconds

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and we'll get things rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again podcasting
morning chat.

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I am your host Mark Ronic and
here on stage with me, my Co

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hosts today we have producer
Ashley Feller, Sid Meadows, Dr.

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Faye, Nick Naulback and Alex
Baelish.

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And I'm giggling because I
apparently I cut out on

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Clubhouse during my intro and
then you may have heard Dr.

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saying hey, I can't hear you and
then everybody else confirming

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in the chat that they couldn't
hear me.

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So I think I must have cut out.
I'm having Internet issues.

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I love the validation.
Thank you so much people.

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Yeah, I'm having Internet issues
and I will say here's a little

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behind the scenes, behind the
curtain for everybody.

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If you don't mind.
If that kind of thing happens

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where I cut out, go ahead and
put it in the chat first.

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No problem, Dr. that you came in
and said something, but in the

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future, yeah, let's just do it
in the chat 1st and then we'll

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go from there.
So yes, today we're going to get

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into all the headlines around
the world of podcasting and I

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say we just go ahead and dive
right in.

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Let me pull up my notes.
That would be helpful as well.

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So as some of you know, the way
I like to start things off is

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with some podcast data.
DDRNI, go ahead and share some

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stuff with you.
So for example, the number one

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podcast on Apple is the Best
People with Nicole Wallace.

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I will not say who number one is
on Spotify, and I will go to Dr.

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to give us that top five list.
I don't reveal the number one

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anymore because for one, it's
usually the same podcast on

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Spotify and to Dr. gives us the
top five.

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So we can make that a little
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week.
So take it away, Dr. Yeah, we

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build it up to the climax, don't
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So let me Scroll down a little
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OK?
Five, top five S #5 is Crime

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Junkie.
Welcome back, Crime Junkie to

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the top five.
Number four is the past weekend

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with Theo von #3 is the
Jefferson Fisher podcast.

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Yay.
I love him #2 is good.

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Hang with Amy Poehler and #1.
Sorry about that all.

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Right then, it's the Joe Rogan
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And I want to just say that
Jefferson Fisher podcast, and I

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know we've talked about him
before, but I came across one of

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his social media posts, a video,
and I was just listening to it.

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It was a little different than
he normally does, his content.

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It was in front of a camera with
a microphone and he was probably

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recording his podcast.
And actually what he was talking

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about has nothing to do with
what I want to say.

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But first, I just love this guy.
Like I think that this guy, the

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way he teaches how to
communicate is so simple but

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powerful at the same time.
And I sent whatever it was to my

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wife to watch and I followed it
up with a comment 'cause I sent

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it over DM and I said I love
this guy.

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And I said, mark my words, I bet
you one day he runs for

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president, or at least runs for
some government office.

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And I think if he does, I think
he wins by a landslide.

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I really do.
I mean, it's unbelievable how

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popular he is and how many
people just love and respect

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this guy.
And he's a lawyer.

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Lawyers often go into politics.
Not all of them, but that's a

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common thing for a lawyer to go
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I wouldn't be surprised if this
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someday.
So there you go.

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Mark that down so when he does I
can say I told you so.

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Mark it down.
So we have the random chart this

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week and this week I have chosen
education.

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So #5 is the Jordan P Peterson
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No, the Jordan B Peterson
podcast #4 is let's find out.

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Number three is anything goes
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Number one, I'm sorry #2 is Mel
Robbins podcast, and the number

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one is the Jefferson Fisher
podcast.

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Education, yes.
That's exactly where he belongs.

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That's awesome.
That's.

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Awesome.
Yeah, that's awesome.

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OK, so I cannot tell you how
excited I am that YouTube has

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just dove head first into the
whole charts thing because we've

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been waiting for them to do it.
It is fantastic that they did

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this.
So let's take a look at this

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week's chart, shall we?
And the Oscar goes too.

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Well, you got to explain why I
played that.

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Question.
I have a question.

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OK.
I have a question, what how many

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cups of coffee has Dr. had this
month?

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I think Dr. is nice and rested
up from yesterday taking the

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day.
Is she taking pain pills for her

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back this morning?
Dr. Do you need to talk to us

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about?
Something like.

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Talk about the.
Pain meds and alcohol.

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OK.
Well, why did I play that

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trombone?
Yeah, the reason why we played

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the sad trombone is because
YouTube has not updated their

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chart since the May 19th, the
week of May 19th.

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That's so weird.
They were really touting that

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they were adding that rankings
page and they were going to

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update it every Wednesday.
They were.

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On it.
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Absolutely.
They were so on it.

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I think they were on it for like
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Yes, exactly.
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Picking up my Oscar later on in
the day so.

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Yes, yes, and maybe, maybe find
something to chill you out.

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No, I love the energy.
I'm not going to I'm not going

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to tease you about that.
I love the energy.

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I appreciate the energy.
By the way, I was just going to

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say I never said over the last
week, 202,433 podcasts published

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at least one new episode, which
is up just about 1%.

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All right, go ahead, Dr. This
chart is no different from it

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was like 2 weeks ago.
It was the Midas touch at #548

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hours at #4 I killed Tony at #3
the Joe Rogan experience #2 and

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the number one on the YouTube
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They're so proud is Rotten
Mangoes.

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Nice, There you go.
Oh yeah.

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By the way, I do want to say I
am live on YouTube and you can

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always, if you're listening to
this replay, you can always

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catch it the live version on
YouTube after the fact.

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It goes up as a replay as well.
So if you want to join me, come

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join me over there on YouTube.
You can actually see me while

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I'm talking and see me fidgeting
and doing all the things behind

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the scenes.
If that is of interest to you.

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I know our friend Mike Short
here in the audience.

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He often joins me over there and
I appreciate that, Mike All

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right, let's see anything else
Dr. from this cat, this area.

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Not in the charts area.
OK, cool.

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Not in the charts area.
We have, yeah.

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Well then I will go to some
events going on around the world

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of podcasting and content
creation 1st and we'll put all

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the links to these in the show
notes.

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Just go to podpage.com/PMC and
you can find the episode and go

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into the show notes.
Or of course, we're on your

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favorite podcast platform.
So first, how to get your

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podcast reviewed by the media?
This happens Thursday, June

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12th, 2:00 PM Eastern Time.
It's hosted by Podcaster View

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and Podglomerate, which I
believe Podglomerate is somebody

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a potential sponsor of the
Empowered Podcasting Conference.

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I think they are the ones
located in Charlotte.

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And Chris Vaglio, our friend
Chris, who often joins us, he's

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the one that actually made that
connection.

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So thank you to Chris.
To be continued, I'll keep you

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posted on that.
It's going to be a virtual

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event.
It's going to be via Zoom and we

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will put that link in the show
notes.

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Also, if you are in the New
England area, the New England

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Podcasters Group June meet up is
Saturday, June 14th at 12:00 PM

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to 2:00 PM Eastern Day highlight
time.

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That's in Westford, MA.
It's also online as well.

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So if you can't be there
virtually, I'm sorry.

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If you can't be there in person,
you can be there virtually.

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Business and podcasting
networking event for female

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entrepreneurs Tuesday, June
24th, 11:00 AM to 12:00 PM

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Central time.
This is hosted by the Female

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Entrepreneurs Business and
Podcasting Society.

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It's a free event and it is
online.

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There's actually there's a
little yeah online June 24th,

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12:00 PM as well.
And of course, as I mentioned a

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moment ago, Empowered Podcasting
2, that comes later, that comes

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September 26th through the 28th,
that's at the Hyatt Centric in

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Charlotte, South Park,
Charlotte, NC.

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And it is, of course, for you
independent podcasters, content

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creators, and we are still
accepting speakers.

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The deadline for speakers will
be Friday the 13th.

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And we've got about half of the
amount of applicants we had last

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year.
So we're starting to get back on

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track if we're comparing to last
year as far as those number of

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submissions.
And yeah, so it's about 50

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people so far.
And we would love to have you be

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one of those speakers.
So go to

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empoweredpodcasting.com/speakers
and apply today now.

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OK?
Oh, did you have something, Dr.

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Well, we had some job
opportunities.

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Oh yes, that's right.
Go ahead, go for it.

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OK, so there's quite a few
today.

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Health Span Collective is hiring
a podcast producer in Boca

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Raton, FL.
There's a company called 3

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Pillars and they are hiring for
a podcast producer and it's a

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remote job so you can be
anywhere for that one.

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Pandora hiring producer podcast
in New York and 1800 Flowers is

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hiring a podcast producer in
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That's interesting.
Kick Caster hiring podcast

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relations manager in Denver, Co,
Hammer Media hiring a content

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producer in Austin, TX, two more
senior producer for confidential

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in Toms River, USA, and a
content operations manager in

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And that's for you might know
Doctor Mark Hyman.

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You might have heard of him.
He's kind of famous.

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Oh.
Yeah, they're hiring for his

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podcast and that's a remote
position, so you can be

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anywhere.
I love that and I yeah, it is

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cool to see 1800 Flowers a
company, a business that's now

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carving out job opportunities
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It's a good sign for the
industry when we start seeing

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some of these big name companies
on the job search for podcast

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producers, I've seen some for
hosts, etcetera.

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It's exciting to see being a
part of this industry.

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All right, so let me get into
some other news stories.

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These are what we call news
bites.

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They may spark some
conversation, maybe not.

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And if you've got something you
want, if something strikes you

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and you want to comment, if
you're listening live, come up

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on stage, share it in the chat.
And of course, that goes for my

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Co hosts as well.
So this first one is I'm going

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to play you a clip in just a
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Just recently, the other day,
June 2nd Story Rabbit, the audio

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storytelling app from Tree Fort
Media launched Orson Welles

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presents.
Now for our younger audience,

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they may may say, who is that?
But I know who Orson Welles is,

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and it's a This is all about a
premium experience narrated by a

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digitally revived version of
Orson Welles's legendary voice.

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Built in partnership with U
Unite dot AI and officially

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licensed by the Orson Welles
Estate, this AI powered guide

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delivers location based
immersive stories.

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Story Rabbit is leaning into
ethical AI with a promise that

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everything is human, curated and
responsibly produced.

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It's out now on iOS and Android.
I'm going to play it for you.

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For those of you who do know
Orson Welles, you'll recognize

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this right away.
And if you don't, you might

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recognize the voice because it
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Let's play it.
The world has a memory.

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It lingers in statues, breeze
through buildings, and flickers

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at the edges of the familiar.
This is the voice of Orson

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Welles, curious as ever, and I'm
ready to reveal what has been

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hidden too long.
With Story Rabbit, I now walk

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beside you, unearthing what time
tried to bury in plain sight.

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Because the past doesn't sleep,
it waits impatiently for someone

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to listen.
Let's find out together what

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remarkable stories the world
will now share through the power

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of my voice.
Pretty cool.

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I know that this has happened
before.

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If you are familiar with more,
people may be familiar with

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James Earl Jones, especially
newer Star Wars fans.

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That is the voice of Darth
Vader, among many other

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achievements and accolades for
James Earl Jones.

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But I know before he passed, he
gave consent for Star Wars

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Disney to continue to use his
voice for future Star Wars

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projects.
So Darth Vader will live on.

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That infamous voice will live
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I think.
I just love that when these are

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done.
And I'm curious if anybody else

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feels differently, right?
Like, do you feel like it's OK

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if the estate has given
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Is it OK?
Or do you still feel like feel

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still feel a little oogie about
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Let's check in with Ashley 1st
and then we'll go to Nick.

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Good morning, Ashley.
Good.

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Morning.
I admit that felt a little eerie

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in that because Orson Welles
wasn't alive to give his

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consent.
I understand the state did, but

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I feel like with the thing
that's as personal as your

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voice, that should absolutely be
the person who owns that voice.

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But if it if it's consensual,
for example with James Earl

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Jones, that's a different case.
I guess it's just because the

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timeline of events didn't make
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consent is all.
I hear that and I have a feeling

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you're probably not alone in
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I feel like there are people
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person wasn't alive to do it, is
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Doesn't feel OK even if the
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Nick, what say you?
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Alex.
I know it's a little bit

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different, but I think about it
like artists that have

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unreleased music and they pass
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released.
It's obviously that artist is

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still the one who created it,
but who is the one that's

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actually benefiting from the
music that got created by that

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artist now that they've passed?
But I feel conflicted on that

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side of the thing.
But what I do think is really

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neat is that AI is basically
allowing his voice to carry on

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into the future.
His voice, the stories being

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told in his voice, it, I don't
know, to me that it's just

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really cool that he had such an
iconic voice that it will now

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forever live on in future
projects and stories and things

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like that.
It's just kind of a neat

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concept.
Like I can't imagine anyone

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really wanting to clone my voice
for projects and everyone being

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able to recognize that voice and
be like, oh, hey, that's Nick.

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That's so cool that you we can
hear his voice again.

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I don't know, I just think that
that's kind of neat.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.
I'm going to go real quick back

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to Ashley because I saw her hand
come up while you were speaking.

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I would just want to make sure
maybe she wants to add

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something.
I just have a little tiny gripe

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observation, and that's just
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I think if you're going to do an
AI script and an AI voice, try

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to put a little bit more effort
into having the script sound

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more natural.
Anytime I hear dialogue that

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says the power of or the Blake
of this, I automatic like, Yep,

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that's an AI script.
So just a little.

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Gripe from my part.
Yeah, I hear ya.

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And Alex, you wanted to comment
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Dr. Go ahead.
Good morning.

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Like Ashley said, it's it's kind
of a catch 22 because for many

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people listening to the podcast,
you they know that Orson Welles

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or they don't.
And it's kind of a way to keep

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whoever that person is relevant,
which I think is a good thing.

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And of course, if there has to
be consent and maybe down the

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road, people like James Earl
Jones or other types of actors

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will that don't want their voice
to be plastered when they're

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alive, that maybe they want to
use it down the road for

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whatever reason, you know,
allowing it to be used.

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Just think that it's such a
great thing because there's a

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lot of people that get lost
because of history and it's

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going to happen to all of us
like, you know, the people that

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our parents and whoever grew up
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And if you can keep that going
along, that's a good thing.

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The bad thing is it doesn't help
in terms of new people coming

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in.
Again, I'm, you know, using

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person Wells or James Earl
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I mean, they have such an iconic
voice, but you know, we all

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heard that one or two AI voices
and we know that that's that AI

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voice and it's like, can we get
something?

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I know I'm all over the place
with this, but it's kind of a

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messy issue.
As you were sharing, it made me

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think when you were talking
about these iconic voices and

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how cool it is to be able to
bring them back for a new

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generation to experience those
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Another voice that came to mind.
Man, are we dating ourselves

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today?
Vincent Price I think would be.

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Oh, my God, I was thinking the
same thing.

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I was thinking of Thriller.
Yeah.

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Oh my God, that's so funny.
Yeah.

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So, yeah, if for those of you
who don't know Vincent Price,

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you may know Michael Jackson's
Thriller.

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And it's that voice toward the
end of the song that's narrating

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the creepy scenes of whatever,
whatever it was, You, you'll you

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know what I'm talking about.
So, yeah, check it out if you

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don't.
And OK, anyone else?

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DRI saw your hand up.
I'm thinking that I might have

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been a much better student had
this technology been around.

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Like, for instance, Christopher
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All you know the the whole story
about Christopher Columbus and

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discovering America and all of
you know, all of those kind of

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stories back then.
If I could hear the voice, I

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think I would probably have been
a better student because if

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there's just something that
draws you in instead of these

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stories that you don't even feel
connected to because, you know,

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they're in some random book and
stuff like that.

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And, and people say that
history, you know, has kind of

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changed throughout time and
that's not the way it was.

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And but, you know, if you think
about the voice, there are

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people that we recognize right
off, like Kennedy, like Martin

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Luther King, like, you know, we
recognize those right off the

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bat.
And so the voice is, the voice

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just kind of tugs you in and
pulls you into whatever the

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situation is.
Yeah, I mean, now, obviously

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Christopher Columbus may be a
hard 1 to replicate because I

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don't think there's anything
like that.

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His voice is not.
Recorded anywhere.

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That's my point.
That's exactly, that's my point.

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Those voices from all of the
history stuff, there couldn't be

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any recordings of it.
And so I sat there in my chair

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at school just, you know,
chewing my gum and.

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Yeah.
And there's, you know, there is

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some stuff, for example, I feel
like there are, well, I know

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like Thomas Edison, there may,
there's some stuff from his

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inventions where he was
recording his own voice that you

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could replicate that I suppose
at least maybe not yet because

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it depends on how poor the
quality is.

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But I know over time that will
probably improve.

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Alex, did you want to add
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Dr. actually makes a really
great point.

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I mean, the fact that audio is
so important and people learn so

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differently, and I think it all
comes back to what Orson Welles

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did, which was storytelling.
I think it's just kind of funny

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with it.
We're talking about podcasting

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and we're all obsessed about
podcasting.

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I'm not saying it's not
important, but you know, we're

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just all start War of the
Worlds, you know, radio, people

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sitting around a big box
listening to whatever that

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person was painting the picture.
And I think the bigger issue is,

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will radio ever be dead now?
It'll never be dead because

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people love audio stories.
People love passing that audio

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story to one another.
And I just think that whether

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it's something great like those
type of things or what the

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narratives that Dominic does to
sports or what Amanda does, it's

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just it's it's all different
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So it's pretty amazing.
Hi.

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Hello Lucy.
Good to hear her voice.

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I think we've talked enough
about that.

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Let me keep things moving.
The topic Janaid.

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Janaid in the chat.
Hello, Janaid.

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The topic today is news.
We're covering all the headlines

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around the world of podcasting,
and I'll share a headline since

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Janaid asked Janaid's podcast.
He just came out.

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His latest episode just came out
yesterday and it's called

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Hobbies and Hacks.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Janaid and he interviewed Pat
Flynn, who we often talk about

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here.
I started listening to that

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interview yesterday on my way to
the dentist picking up my new

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night guard and the interview
was so far fantastic.

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I think I'm about halfway
through it Janaid and really

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enjoying it.
It is particularly enjoy hearing

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about Pat's book, his new book,
lean learning and what's behind

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it, what's in it.
It's it sounds like it's calling

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to me.
And I also told DRA lot of what

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I heard discussed so far.
I think this is going to be a

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good book for Dr. and I'll I'll
just give you a little more info

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on that DRI think because you,
like many of us and I do say us,

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and I mean that literally.
We get all the information

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everywhere from everyone and we
try to consume as much of it as

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possible.
And some of this book

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contradicts that approach and
discusses the idea of it being

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too much and causing a lot of us
to freeze instead of taking

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action.
And one piece of advice that he

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has is to pick one first and
just focus on that and see it

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all the way through.
So if it's Pat Flynn, if if

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somebody like Pat Flynn calls to
you, go all in on what he does

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and the advice he gives.
So if you want to start a

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podcast and maybe he speaks to
you or maybe I speak to you or

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somebody, find that person that
you gravitate to or that

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process, that system that you
gravitate to and apply it, see

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it all the way through and then
move on to the next thing.

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Oh, I can't imagine why you
thought of me.

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Dr. is like, yeah, I think she
she could open a Museum of

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called Museum of Knowledge.
And I think she has pretty much

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everything that's out there that
we could go and explore in her

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museum.
Janae is on stage, so let's let

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him speak to his podcast for a
moment.

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Janae, good morning.
Did you want to share anything

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more?
Good morning.

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Thank you, Mark, for mentioning.
Appreciate that.

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Really, it was a, it was a
joyous occasion to get to

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interview the legend and the
whole circling moment of of how

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I discovered his story through
Gary Vaynerchuk's book flashing

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it in 2018 and finally dove in.
And then what's funny is when I

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was recording the episode with
him, he's like, guess where I'm

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going tomorrow?
Like where you going?

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It's like I'm going to be on a
live stream with Gary Vee in New

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York.
Like get out of here.

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Because Gary Vee just launched
the V cards, Which actually is

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funny is a lot of people are
trading in their Pokemons cards

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to get the V cards, which is
really cool.

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It's pretty cool.
So that's what it so it's

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something similar to Pokémon the
V cards.

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Yes.
And if you remember it, it all

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started with V Friends back in
2022, I believe.

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That was when he, he did the
first V Friends V con event and

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it was all around NFTS.
But then the characters that he

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had created, he had drawn all of
these things himself.

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They're now animated features in
Disney buses and and whatnot.

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It's it's pretty, it's taking a
life of its own.

449
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,360
Pretty amazing.
Awesome.

450
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,640
Thanks for sharing, Janae.
And by all means, please share a

451
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,320
link to your episode with Pat
Flynn that launched this week.

452
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,600
Please put that in the chat for
us and we will make sure to also

453
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,720
put it in the show notes for
anybody listening after the

454
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,240
live.
Let's keep it moving.

455
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:11,960
This is a follow up on the story
we covered last week.

456
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,040
I'll start with a quote from
podcaststandard.org and it's

457
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,240
regarding adding the ability to
include video content in your

458
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,280
RSS feed.
And I'll stop before I say that

459
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,080
quote the RSS feed.
In case you're a little confused

460
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,320
what it is, I'll try to
simplify, but basically it is a

461
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:40,200
URLA special URL that is tied to
your in our case or in this case

462
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,720
an audio podcast.
And it's really what distributes

463
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,600
your podcast to all the
different podcast platforms.

464
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,880
It's the central place where
Apple, Spotify, YouTube, all the

465
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,240
other platforms grab the latest
episode and then put it into

466
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,560
their library, onto their
platforms.

467
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:06,080
And as of now, we can only do
things like audio and text, but

468
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,840
being that video is getting so
popular in this space, there's a

469
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,680
lot of talk about how do we add
video to the RSS feed and

470
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,360
podcast, standard.org said.
If we don't nail this, meaning

471
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,800
getting video included in the
feed will essentially will be

472
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,920
essentially telling podcasters
that their only real option for

473
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,640
podcast video are YouTube and
Spotify.

474
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,840
And again, that's because we can
go and add video to those

475
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,480
platforms, but we have to do it
separately and manually in most

476
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,480
cases.
The Podcast Standards Project

477
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:46,320
laid out their case for using
HLS to deliver video podcasts

478
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,440
through Open RSS.
Definitely a smart move.

479
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,920
You can get a single RSS feed
for both in in this scenario in

480
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,240
both audio and video, which
simplifies everything.

481
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,120
As I just explained, HLS
supports adaptive quality so

482
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,880
your audience gets the best
experience no matter the

483
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,800
connection.
There's also the potential for

484
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,840
analytics and lower bandwidth
costs.

485
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,720
And for those who need it, HLS
streams can still be

486
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,240
downloadable.
So these are things in the

487
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,240
works.
I wouldn't be surprised if maybe

488
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,680
even happens within the next
year that we start getting that

489
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,920
ability to upload a video
podcast and it be distributed

490
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,840
everywhere.
Kind of exciting.

491
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,360
Also, according to Magellan AI,
FanDuel topped the list of

492
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,160
podcast advertisers in April.
Google climbed its way to #13

493
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,360
with the biggest jump in AD
spending for the month.

494
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,200
Just a little news bite for ya.
And also this summer and pay

495
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,280
attention.
Oh, Alex just left.

496
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,000
Too bad because I wanted Alex
and his daughter Lucy.

497
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,560
They do a podcast together and I
thought this was right up Lucy's

498
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,440
alley.
The summer.

499
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:08,000
This summer, 8 Top Kids podcasts
are joining forces for the

500
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,960
Summer Listening Challenge.
This is a fun, screen free

501
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,840
alternative to traditional
reading programs.

502
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,280
Kids are encouraged to listen to
16 curated episodes from shows

503
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:26,800
like What If World, Stupid Kids,
but that's Spelled STOOP, Stupid

504
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,320
Kid Stories, and The 10 News's
Weekly Roar.

505
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,080
There's a downloadable tracker
to follow along.

506
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,120
And those who compete in the
challenge by August 15th get a

507
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,400
certificate and and I should say
complete the challenge by August

508
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,160
15th.
They get a certificate and

509
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,080
exclusive videos from the hosts
of those podcasts.

510
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,520
It sounds like it's a great way
to build listening skills,

511
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,440
imagination, and keep learning
going over the summer without

512
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,480
screens and making it, in my
opinion, a little more fun.

513
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,880
God, I remember being the kid
and when there was summer

514
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,080
reading and summer homework, it
was it just felt like a kick in

515
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,960
the gut, right?
It was so annoying.

516
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,400
So if you're interested,
families can sign up at

517
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,640
joincharacter.com/summer Dash
listening.

518
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,240
Dr. I'm going to ask you, do you
want to take one of the next

519
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,240
stories?
And if you have one queued up,

520
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,880
go for it.
If not, I'll take the next one

521
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,720
and you can find what you want
to do next.

522
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,680
I'm going to take number six if
you're following along.

523
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:36,800
So nominations are open for the
People's Choice Podcast Awards

524
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,000
in just under one month.
Time to register your podcast if

525
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,120
you haven't done so already and
we will put the link in the show

526
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,360
notes.
So that'll be great.

527
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,240
And.
It's podcast awards.com, podcast

528
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,240
awards.com to register your
podcast.

529
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,800
So, you know, they all these
different podcast award

530
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,920
situations, they all have seem
to have some different

531
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,640
approaches to this.
What you have to do is register

532
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:07,880
your podcast now before the
voting begins and it's 50 bucks

533
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,400
to enter, which is way more
affordable than a lot of these

534
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,000
other award awards out there.
So if you're interested, you

535
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,840
just go to podcastawards.com.
There's a big link in the middle

536
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,360
of the page that says register
your podcast here.

537
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,160
You fill out a short form, pay
the 50 bucks and then voting

538
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,960
begins July 1st.
So I, I know all this because I

539
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,800
just did this like 2 days ago.
So make sure you do yours as

540
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,480
well.
If you've got the 50 bucks to

541
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,240
spare, do you want to take
another one or do you want me to

542
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,040
keep going?
All right, so the Podcasting

543
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,720
Seriously Awards Fund has just
hit a major milestone, awarding

544
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,960
its 300th grant since launching
in 2021.

545
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,560
The initiative helps independent
BIPOC, queer and trans audio

546
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,120
creators by covering up to $200
annually for award submission

547
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,560
fees and up to $500.00 for
training in digital audio

548
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,840
production.
Recipients have used these funds

549
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,000
to submit their work to
prestigious competitions like

550
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,600
the Ambi's Webbie and the
British Podcast Awards.

551
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:22,719
The fund, operated pro bono by
LWC Studios with AIR as its

552
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,480
fiscal sponsor, recently
welcomed Sequel, a Canadian

553
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,400
creative agency, as a new
partner.

554
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,320
The collaboration aims to
further support and elevate

555
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,760
unprecedented voices in under
sorry, underrepresented voices

556
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,560
in podcasting.
Applications for reimbursement

557
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,719
are accepted year round from
independent producers based in

558
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,600
Canada, UKUS or Australia.
And For more information on that

559
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:55,880
podcastingseriously.com/fund.
I'm going to skip for a minute

560
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,400
because I wanted to play another
clip for you.

561
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,880
This is one of our what I
consider bigger headlines today.

562
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:09,240
And if you haven't heard, long
time podcaster Marc Maron bids

563
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:14,800
farewell to the WTF Podcast
after 16 years.

564
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,760
This according to pod news and
various news sources.

565
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:24,760
I have a clip from if you follow
on Instagram at Pop Culture

566
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,480
Brain.
I think that I've came across

567
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,080
this clip and thought thought he
did a really good job covering

568
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,640
what I believe is a really big
story because like I said, 16

569
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,640
years, there aren't a lot of us
that have been doing the same

570
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,200
podcast for that long.
I cannot claim that myself, even

571
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,040
though I've been doing this for
a long time and longer than 16

572
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,600
years have not had one
consistent podcast for the

573
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,240
entire duration of my podcast
career.

574
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,040
So let's listen to at Pop
Culture Brain.

575
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,680
I am shocked and kind of beside
myself.

576
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,560
This Monday morning, Marc Maron
is ending his landmark podcast

577
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,160
after 16 years, breaking the
news on his show today.

578
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,720
Maron was one of the first
comedians to get into the

579
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,880
podcasting game, starting his
interview show on September 1st,

580
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,000
2009.
Since then, he's done nearly

581
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,880
2000 episodes and reached 1.1
billion listens.

582
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,880
He's spoken to giants like
President Obama, Paul Cartney,

583
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Robin Williams, Leonardo
DiCaprio and Lorne Michaels.

584
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,960
Overtime, he's become an
institution in the medium, and

585
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,400
his conversations are always
thoughtful, deep, and unlike any

586
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,120
other on the interview circuit.
But he announced the news on his

587
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,840
show today, explaining that it's
really come down to the fact

588
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,520
that we're tired, we're burnt
out, and we are utterly

589
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,200
satisfied with the work we've
done.

590
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,160
This doesn't mean I'm never
going to do something like this

591
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,440
again, but for now, we're just
wrapping things up.

592
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,880
It's OK.
It's OK to end things.

593
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,880
Marin says the show will end
this fall and he hopes to get

594
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,600
some people who who have never
been on before.

595
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,000
He then said it's OK to try some
other chapter in your life.

596
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,360
It's nice to be able to end
things on our terms.

597
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,680
We've been very fortunate to be
able to do things the way we

598
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,680
want to do them and now this is
part of it, ending it the way we

599
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,000
want to end it.
As sad as I am to be losing this

600
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,920
show, you can't blame him for
being burnt out and wanting to

601
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,920
end things on his own terms.
Marin then went on to explain

602
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,040
that because of the podcast, my
life has changed dramatically.

603
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,400
So many things happened because
of setting up a mic in my

604
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,880
garage, but this is a full
hearted decision.

605
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,680
It's the right decision for for
me.

606
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,440
It's OK.
It's OK for things to end.

607
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,760
It's just time, folks.
There you go.

608
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,520
Thank you to at pop culture
brain.

609
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,000
And yeah, I think that sums it
up really nicely.

610
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,560
And I'm curious what people
think about this.

611
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,320
What are your thoughts on
creators like Marc Maron, a real

612
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,680
staple in the podcast industry,
ending long term projects due to

613
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,760
it sounds like burnout.
Is it OK?

614
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,360
Is there a certain number of
years where when you decide it's

615
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,760
over, that's OK?
Whereas like, you know, let's

616
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,320
say one or two years in, you
decide you're burnt out and want

617
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,800
to quit.
Is there a difference?

618
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,400
DRC, You're off, Mike.
I'm sorry, I'm just getting.

619
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,080
Ready to to read your next story
to?

620
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:07,880
Stay on, Marc Mirren.
Yeah.

621
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,280
Sorry.
No problem.

622
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:09,880
No problem.
Yeah.

623
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,360
So I'm with pop culture Brain, I
think, or at least with the

624
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,920
story he read.
I I think that's OK if it's

625
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,000
time.
And especially after 16 years,

626
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,720
one trend that we haven't seen
in podcasting very often that we

627
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:26,040
do see more on TV, that I
wouldn't be surprised if this

628
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,800
maybe happens down the road.
But when?

629
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,800
What is it?
The Daily maybe so with Jon

630
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,960
Stewart, is that the name of it?
The Daily can't remember.

631
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:41,600
He, you know, he left for a
while and was replaced, right.

632
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,480
And that happens on other TV
shows like The Tonight Show.

633
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,960
We've seen that multiple times
from Johnny Carson to Jay Leno

634
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,480
and now of course, Jimmy Fallon
and Conan O'Brien as well.

635
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,360
People keep well, some of these
production companies keep the

636
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,760
shows going, but replace it with
another host.

637
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,800
I wouldn't be surprised if we
start seeing that more often

638
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,400
here in the world of podcasting.
Dr. You want to take the next

639
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,040
one?
This is oh wait, let's.

640
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,360
Wait, hold on one second.
Janae.

641
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,840
I saw Janae come off mic.
Janae, did you want to comment

642
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,200
please?
Yeah, yes.

643
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,440
So sorry, I jumped in a little
late.

644
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,040
Really good pointing, Mark, that
they bring in different hosts

645
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,600
and, and that's mainly because
those are not independent

646
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,120
podcasts, right?
Those are not independent shows.

647
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:30,440
The shows that are the property
of the company or of the studio

648
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,280
that's putting the show
together.

649
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,160
That's the way that they bring
in advertisers.

650
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,600
That's the big way that they
hold the prime time, whatever

651
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,880
time that they're holding, and
they need somebody to run the

652
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,080
show.
And that's where they bring in

653
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,920
the hosts.
And if you remember Conan

654
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,280
O'Brien, when he was doing his
show, he was able to move it to

655
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,400
a different channel because that
was his own show and his own

656
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,480
creatives and whatnot.
So we will see that happen for

657
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,560
podcast shows that are run by
companies and not by people like

658
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,760
you and I.
But again, we could also

659
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,240
formulate our shows to be
managed by Co host and whatnot.

660
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,320
Again, it all comes down to,
hey, what's the mission for the

661
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,000
podcast?
What's the mission for the show?

662
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,760
And what type of value are you
delivering because?

663
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,440
I'm, I'm wondering, hey, how
long do I want to go with my

664
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,840
show?
You know, it's been been out for

665
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,000
six years, 7, seven years going
and like how much energy do I

666
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,800
have to continue pouring into it
And I guess the summer breaks to

667
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,280
help.
Thank you.

668
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,800
Yes, yeah.
And so does having dozens and

669
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,680
dozens of episodes recorded
already.

670
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,720
Janae, I think that helps as
well for breaks and what have

671
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:47,760
you.
Thank you for your insights.

672
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,160
I appreciate that.
And Dr. Go ahead, take the next

673
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,480
story.
Well, this is actually the same

674
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,680
story.
It's a piggybacking off of it.

675
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:02,880
The Guardian put out something
which is his top five interviews

676
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,360
as per the Guardian.
What the Guardian feels are his

677
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,360
top five interviews, and I want
to talk about this for a second.

678
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:16,360
So #5 would be David Spade.
And this was episode #669 in

679
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,320
2016 where David Spade talked
about how his assistant went

680
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,960
kind of crazy and David had to
in the bathroom with a shotgun.

681
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,880
So they talked about that.
Number 4 was episode #627 in

682
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,240
2015 with Lynn Shelton.
If you don't recognize the name,

683
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,200
this is where they kind of met
and started their relationship.

684
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,680
And she has, she's passed away
like a couple years ago.

685
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,480
And that might have some kind of
play into why he's hanging it up

686
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,480
as well.
I'll be honest with you #3 would

687
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,800
be an interview that he did with
Louis CK and that would be two

688
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:05,200
episodes, episodes 111 and 112
from 2010.

689
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,360
And it was over 2 hours long.
And this was seven years before

690
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,560
the issues with Louis CK had
come up, come about, and you

691
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,160
said Louis CK.
I thought maybe that's why,

692
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,040
because of the whole controversy
that he went through.

693
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,640
Yeah, this was long before it.
And they talk about, for

694
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,440
instance, Marin admitted his
professional envy of

695
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:35,720
stratospheric rise and Louis CK
talks about being jealous and

696
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:38,880
stuff like that.
So that would be a real one to

697
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,880
to tune into.
Then we're going to go all the

698
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,600
way back to episode 67 for the
number 21 on the Guardians list.

699
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,800
And that was with Robin
Williams, I think.

700
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,320
I, I think I might TuneIn just
to hear this one.

701
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,680
And Williams in which he talks
about his struggles with

702
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,560
depression, alcoholism, suicidal
thoughts was released on the day

703
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,720
of William's death in 2014.
Now, if you're not familiar with

704
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:11,040
Marc Mayer and how he does stuff
when someone that he has

705
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,720
interviewed before when they
Passover and they pass on, he

706
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:20,360
will rerun that episode for
everyone to hear.

707
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,720
And the number one interview,
I'm sure this is not, you know,

708
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:29,720
something that's going to make
the news, but everyone knows

709
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:33,240
that Barack Obama was
interviewed by Marc Maron.

710
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:38,920
It was episode 613 in 2015.
And I remember seeing the

711
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,240
footage, the news footage of
Barack Obama going into his

712
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:47,400
backyard, Marc Maron's backyard,
into this little shed that Marc

713
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,920
Maron had set up as his studio.
It was wild.

714
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:58,320
So 2015 with Barack Obama, that
means it was probably leading

715
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,480
into, well, it was probably his
campaign for his second term.

716
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,360
Yeah.
And and that's, you know, that's

717
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,960
interesting because we've talked
about how this past election

718
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,960
year, podcasting, how much
podcasting was an influence on

719
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,640
the voting.
And there was Barack Obama

720
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,720
getting an early jump on the
world of podcasting.

721
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:22,000
It's really interesting, right?
Thank you, Dr. Appreciate that,

722
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,360
by the way, gang.
Podcast launches took a dip in

723
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,120
May, but overall activity does
seem to remain high.

724
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,520
So this comes from podcast
news-daily.com.

725
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,920
And in May of 2025, the podcast
industry experienced a decline

726
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,720
in new show launches compared to
previous months.

727
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:46,280
However, existing podcasters
have been more active releasing

728
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,120
episodes at a higher rate than
in the same period last year a

729
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,520
year.
The trend suggests a shift in

730
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,360
focus from launching new
podcasts to consistently

731
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,800
producing content for
established shows.

732
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,520
Some of the key points here.
There was a note, obviously,

733
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,360
there was a noticeable decrease.
And despite fewer new shows, the

734
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,880
total number of episodes
released has risen.

735
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,320
The data reflects A maturing
industry where creators

736
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,440
prioritize consistency over
launching.

737
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,720
And I'm curious if anybody has
any thoughts why do we think

738
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,880
that is?
So how is it that we've got more

739
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,400
podcasters now producing more
consistently, but less that are

740
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,520
actually starting a podcast?
I could argue that maybe video

741
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,720
is stopping people because
they're too nervous.

742
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:38,440
The thought of them being on on
film, the thought of.

743
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,400
Them being that's one, yeah.
To start a podcast and being on

744
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,440
film, on video for the first
time, I think that can be

745
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,920
uncomfortable.
And also learning how to use all

746
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,000
the equipment.
I mean, there are a bunch of you

747
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,360
here.
And by the way, hello, Stacy in

748
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,560
the audience.
We don't see Stacy as much these

749
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,640
days.
Busy woman.

750
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,400
But Stacy's a prime example.
She shares all the time in this

751
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,600
community how she had the box of
the equipment just sitting there

752
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,280
for months because she was
intimidated by that.

753
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,840
And that was just audio
equipment.

754
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,240
And then you throw in this other
factory.

755
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,920
Expense too, the expensive video
stuff.

756
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,480
Yeah, so.
I mean the expense too.

757
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,960
So those are three factors that
could be whereas you have

758
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,160
existing podcasters who may feel
more comfortable incorporating

759
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,120
more tech to their production
and more equipment, cameras,

760
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,080
etcetera, where they're in a
more of a flow, a rhythm and

761
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,680
that might, that might be make
it easier.

762
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,760
Janae, our studio expert.
Janae, did you want to add

763
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,200
something?
Yes, it is harder to start a new

764
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,240
podcast, especially when people
are considering, you know, I've

765
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,000
got to do video, I've got to do
audio, I've got to do post

766
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,480
production.
But also makes sense that the

767
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,640
podcasters who have launched
earlier, they are continuing to

768
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:03,520
be producing more episodes.
And that's maybe also because we

769
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,640
have so many more tools for post
production.

770
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:11,000
There's so many AI elements also
available that maybe teams are

771
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,560
implementing cutting down that
time so that they can produce

772
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,400
even more content.
I'm with you there, Janae.

773
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,200
So to be continued.
I you know, I would like to see

774
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,120
more people out there starting
podcasts.

775
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,080
I think there's still plenty of
room, but we shall see.

776
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,880
So we that is to be continued.
By the way, DRI noticed.

777
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,440
I don't think did we do the buzz
sprouts stats.

778
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,520
I don't think we did.
We did not so.

779
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,680
I'll go ahead and just take this
because I just, I think that

780
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,880
this is important for especially
for a lot of independent

781
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,240
podcasters.
Buzz Sprout, as some of you

782
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,800
know, they put out their global
statistics.

783
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,480
This is basically anyone and
everyone who's on their

784
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,200
platform.
It gives us an idea of a lot of

785
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,720
the averages of what's going on
around the world of independent

786
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:08,160
podcasters.
So for example, if you want to

787
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,200
know where you fall in the top
percentile of podcast episode

788
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,480
downloads, so this is
specifically to the first seven

789
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,640
days of that episode being
available, you're in the top 50

790
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,440
if you have 28 downloads.
So let me say that again, you're

791
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:32,200
in the top 50 if your podcast
averages around 28 downloads in

792
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,680
its first week of existence.
That feels crazy.

793
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,760
Totally doable, right?
Yeah, and I'm hoping that for

794
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,800
some people that helps them
realize that they're not alone,

795
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,200
right?
They a lot of people are down on

796
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,160
themselves or their podcast when
they see a number around of

797
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,160
around 30.
But unless you're one of the big

798
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:59,960
guns, this is not a bad number.
And top 25111 downloads top 10

799
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:08,920
percent 453, top 5% 1054 and the
top one percent 4300 and change.

800
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,280
And this is based on all of the
month of May this past year.

801
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,440
And then as far I thought that
this was interesting too and

802
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,320
kind of goes a bit with the last
story.

803
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:28,080
If this is how many episodes are
published and over 30 days 2%.

804
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,040
I'm trying to think of how to
explain this better.

805
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,960
Episodes published?
OK.

806
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,520
Episodes published every 30
days?

807
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,480
That's 2% of the Buzz Sprout
users.

808
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,120
Episodes published every 15 to
29 days?

809
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,640
That's 19%.
The biggest #8 to 14 days.

810
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,760
So every 8 to 14 days, 38% of
all Buzz Sprout podcasters are

811
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,240
publishing an episode.
I say that because a lot of us

812
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,240
think of podcasts as being
weekly.

813
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,520
Of course.
Podcasting.

814
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,720
Morning chat not included, but
it looks like the the majority

815
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:07,160
are doing it every 8 to 14 days.
And then also, if you're in that

816
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,400
three to seven day category,
you're in the 34% tile and if

817
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,720
you're doing it zero to every
zero to two days, you're in the

818
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,360
7%.
That's us.

819
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,360
Yeah.
So you know, it looks like every

820
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,960
three to 14 days, that's the
majority of about 70% and change

821
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,520
of podcasters, independent
podcasters that are posting

822
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,760
regularly.
So there you go.

823
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,040
And with that, we have only
about 5 minutes left.

824
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,720
So I think what we'll do is
tomorrow we've got another

825
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,520
mailbag segment to do and we
will also couple that with some

826
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,200
news.
And I need your help yesterday.

827
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,760
Was it yesterday?
Yeah.

828
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,800
It was brought up in the chat
that we need a sound effect when

829
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,360
we do the mailbag segment.
Somebody suggested we do the old

830
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,320
you've got mail from a Oli used
to do that on my old show.

831
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,880
And I'm not opposed to doing
that again now, but it does feel

832
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,560
a little dated to me.
So I want people to chime in,

833
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,920
send me your suggestions for,
you know, a sound effect, like

834
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:18,120
for example with the news, when
I, when I hit the news, you

835
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,720
know, it's a little palate
cleanser.

836
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:21,760
It sets up what we're about to
talk about.

837
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,640
I play it usually a couple
times.

838
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,440
I want a similar sound effect
for the mailbag 'cause we're

839
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,960
going to do that a little more
often.

840
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,960
I enjoy those segments.
It keeps things, gives us a lot

841
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,120
of variety.
So let me know your thoughts.

842
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,960
Shoot me an e-mail
mark@ironicmedia.com or Adm at

843
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:43,520
Markronic MARCRONICK over on
Instagram or LinkedIn for that

844
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,920
matter.
Would love to hear your

845
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,160
thoughts.
So we're back again tomorrow,

846
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,840
7:00 AM Eastern, doing exactly
what I just told you.

847
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,880
And we do this every Monday
through Friday at that time,

848
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,840
live on Clubhouse, live on
YouTube, and of course,

849
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,560
available a couple hours later
on your favorite podcast

850
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,640
platform.
So until tomorrow, make it a

851
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,800
great day everybody take care.