309 - How to Handle Co-host Frustrations and Content Overload in Podcasting

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Good morning podcasting morning
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Today is Thursday, May 22nd,
2025, and today we're digging

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navigating AI in production and
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Good morning again, podcasting,
Morning Chat.

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Thank you for being here.
I am your host, Mark Ronick, and

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here on stage with me we have
Dr. Faye, Alex Baelish, Nick

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Nalback and Sid Meadows.
And yes, as I said at the top of

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the show, we are going to dig
into the mailbag.

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We have a lot of different types
of questions, most of them

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collected.
We didn't, these aren't actual

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questions that somebody quote UN
quote mailed into US, although

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they're I think are a couple.
But some of these we found on

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Reddit, on Facebook, etcetera.
And we felt like these were very

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relevant questions for
podcasters.

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And we, we know we've got a
great team here that can help

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answer those questions,
including some of you in the

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audience.
So feel free to come up and

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participate if you would like.
And a little programming note,

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just to give you a heads up
Monday, we will not be doing a

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show for Memorial Day weekend
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So add that to your calendar if
you so choose.

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And with that, I want to just
dig in if that's cool with you.

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And mainly because sometimes at
this point in the show, we'll do

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an ice breaker question.
But being that we have so many

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questions here to share, I
figure why not?

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Let's just dig right in.
So this one is from Reddit and

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the user is protection late 4769
and he asks or she or they.

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When do you admit it's not
working?

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He said or they said I started a
podcast because I felt like I

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had a lot to offer but I feel
like my Co host and I have not

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hit our groove.
We have nearly 20 episodes but

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we get barely any plays and it's
been several months.

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It's a ton of work on my end
editing and I'm questioning if

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it's worth it when no one seems
to be hearing what we're saying.

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To be honest, my husband thinks
my Co host is boring and doesn't

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come off authentically.
I feel like I'm now having to

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pull the weight of both of our
social media presence and the

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podcast so I can really relate
to this one.

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Not to say that my former Co
host Lowell of the Mark and

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Lowell show wasn't pulling his
weight because I believe Lowell,

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one of his superpowers on our
old show was he.

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He has a great way of carrying
the show.

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He's not boring on the show,
he's funny.

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He adds a lot to it.
But I relate in the sense that

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when we were doing it, I was
really doing all the behind the

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scenes stuff, the editing, the
social media, etcetera and it,

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it definitely weighed on me.
Now, we didn't give up because

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our show probably went on for
8:00 or so years and I certainly

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think one of the reasons why it
stopped was because I got burnt

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out.
Not on the show content itself,

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but like I said, all the other
things involved because it was

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all on my shoulders.
And coincidentally, if you're

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following me on social media,
you may have seen I posted a

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picture of Lola and I at lunch
yesterday discussing the show

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and the future and it coming
back.

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I know I've been talking about
that for a while, but being that

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I've, I'm in town in Maryland,
he lives in Maryland.

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We met up about halfway and had
a lunch talking about what the

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show will look like moving
forward.

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So yes, we are bringing it back.
And part of the conversation was

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about pulling weight and really
treating this thing like a

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business and as business
partners.

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I think a big thing is having to
have that conversation and I

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think that this this person,
I'll start.

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I think that this person needs
to have that conversation with

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the Co host.
I don't know if they need to dig

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into the part about the husband
thinking that the Co host is

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boring, but I do think setting
boundaries and expectations is

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really important. 20 episodes
in, there's a lot of growing

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that you, your Co host and the
show still has in front of you.

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And I think that this is an
opportunity for you to, to, to

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really build up and build on
what you've started.

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So that's where I'm coming from
here.

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And I'm curious if anybody else
has any thoughts for this Reddit

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user.
Yeah, Dr. go ahead.

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Good morning.
You and I are in the same

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wavelength.
Because as soon as I read that

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she or he was doing all the
editing, I thought, oh man,

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that's why.
That's why you're completely

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burned out as the editing.
But aside from that, you know,

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most people when they take on a
Co host, it's with a very, very

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good friend.
And I occasionally see those

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posts that say looking for a Co
host, you know, for like a

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complete stranger getting
together.

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But for the most part, it's
usually a good friend.

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And Gordon Firemark has has a
contract even between like the

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best of friends, you should have
a contract to lay out, document

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who's doing what.
What if someone gets sick and

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has to bow out for several
months?

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Does the show quit?
Do you go on?

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Do you have a substitute walk in
just for that?

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I mean, there's so many
different variables that can go

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on that could really cause
friction.

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And you just have to ask
yourself, is it worth losing a

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friend over?
And if everything is written

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out, when and if you're, if it's
hard sometimes to approach that

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subject, should we, you know, we
don't need a contract.

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We're best friends.
We've been friends for 20 years.

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It's kind of like a it's.
Kind of like a prenup situation,

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right?
There's people.

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Are.
Afraid to do that?

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Yeah, and that's why I say rely
on your producer.

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Let me be the bad man and bring
it up and insist that you that

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the two of you have a contract.
So let me be the bad man.

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Yeah, and a lot of times when
people are just starting out,

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even 20 episodes and they don't
have a producer yet to help them

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do that, but they there is a a,
a Gordon fire mark out there,

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right?
He's the podcast lawyer.

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And like you said, he has that
contract there ready and you

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could approach it at to your Co
host as hey, you know, I was on

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the Internet.
I stumbled on this guy on social

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media who's a podcast lawyer and
he suggests that we as Co hosts

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need a contract.
Let's look at it and talk about

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it, right?
You could try to broach it that

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way.
Yeah, where it doesn't feel like

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it's an attack.
Agreed.

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Yeah, and I saw Sid has his had
his hand up and so does Nick.

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So let's go to Sid first.
Good morning to you, Sid.

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Good morning, everybody.
It's great to be here with you.

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So I heard the question a little
bit differently, but I do agree

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with all the points that you
just made.

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And is somebody that just
started a business with four,

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with three other friends.
I can tell you that getting

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through the legalese, setting up
a business, they're not always

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easy.
But I think what this person

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needs to do is look at who their
audience is.

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Look at what's their content,
what are they talking about?

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Are they just two people sitting
there talking about nonsense?

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She mentioned that she had a lot
to share.

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Like, what is it that you're
sharing?

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Is your content on point?
I think I would remember that

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people come for the content.
They stay for the host.

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And I would take a dive into my
audience.

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Who's the person, One person I'm
trying to talk to.

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What is it I'm trying to say?
And then does the show live up

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to that promise?
Or if you will, I mean, think

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again, think of this as a
business.

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What's the problem that you're
trying to solve here for the

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person that is that your agile
listener?

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And really dive into that and
see if you can get the content

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worked out where it's going to
really attract people and keep

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people in the show.
And then maybe work on the

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legalese and stuff like that.
But you got to know who you're

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talking to, what you're talking
about, the problem that you saw

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for them.
And then I would also take a

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deep dive into the marketing.
How are you marketing this to

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get the podcast out to the
world?

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We all know how difficult it is
to get a new show out there and

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get people listening in.
Yeah, I'm with you, Sid.

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I appreciate you bringing up
that angle because this to me

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seems deeper than it's a problem
with the Co host.

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Although that is a problem in
the sense that this person is

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apparently doing all the heavy
lifting.

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But there is something to be
said about what else are you

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doing to to grow your show, to
get the word out there to to

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build up that discoverability.
I I'm I suspect, without really

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any other information here, I
suspect that they're not doing

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enough to help promote and grow
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I would.
Actually say to that before you

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go to Nick is that I think that
most of us are guilty of that

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right there, Mark of not doing
enough to actually spread the

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word about our show.
We get caught up in our

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businesses, we get caught up
with light.

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And I think most of us would
fall into that, to that

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category, and we're not doing
enough to get our show the reach

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that it actually needs.
Yeah, or sometimes even we're

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doing the same thing over and
over again.

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That's not really working.
And just crossing our fingers

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and hoping that it's going to
eventually deliver the the

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results we're looking for.
And I'm guilty of that too.

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I've done that and probably
still doing that in certain

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areas because once you've gotten
into that rhythm, you feel like,

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OK, I know what I'm doing, I'm
just going to keep doing it.

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It's going to work.
But if it's not working, you got

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to try to something else at some
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Nick, good morning.
What say you, Sir?

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Well, first of all, I really
want to start a podcast business

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called the Podcast Pre Knob
where I become kind of a

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mediator for Co hosts to set up
those.

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Oh yeah, I think.
That would be awesome.

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Yeah.
I mean, it's a thing.

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You probably could get some
business out of that.

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But to the the situation I, as
you guys were continuing to

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talk, that's kind of the
direction I was going is I, I'm

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willing to bet that they're not
promoting nearly as much as they

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should be, and probably because
all the work is landing on one

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person.
But even taking a step back even

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further than that, I'd be really
curious as to what their purpose

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of the show is.
Do they have a purpose?

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Do they have a why that they're
using to kind of guide the show

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or are they just doing it
because they're like, oh, we

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want to start a podcast and we
think we can get a lot of

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subscribers and followers and
things like that.

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I that's typically, I feel like
we're a lot of podcasters that

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have fallen off as they don't
really have that why.

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They just think, oh, they see
all these other people doing the

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podcast and getting a lot of
attention with it.

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I'm going to do the same thing.
I'll shoot.

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Why am I not getting any
attention with the podcast?

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That's a waste of time.
I'm going to stop.

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So I would probably that maybe
be a decent way to open up the

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conversation with this Co host
is having to sit down and talk

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about, OK, what is our goal with
this show?

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What are we trying to accomplish
with it?

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And that could kind of open the
door to, OK, if we're going to

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do this, here's what I'm going
to do, here's my part that's

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going to be in it.
Here's what your part in the the

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process is going to be and kind
of navigate it that way.

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So I think right now it just
from that post, it seems like

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there's not a lot of direction
as far as like overall vision

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and goal of the show and what I
get.

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Yeah, I'm with you there.
And for whatever reason that

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reminded me, I was thinking
about one of the other things

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that was said here in this
person's post about the husband

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saying that the Co host is
boring.

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And I think that that can when
things aren't going well with

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your podcast, it's easy to be
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this person and maybe somebody

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else listening right now, it's
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one person's opinion.
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think that Co host is boring,
but I believe that there are

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some people out there that are
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And maybe that Co host is boring

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because of something that you're
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they're they haven't really
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about, who this show is really
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And so that Co host might be
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their footing.
So I think it is important to go

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back and revisit what are our
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I think that's really important.
Mike had a, a really good

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comment in the, the chat as
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He said the member is Roberto
Blake or MKVHD.

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But one set is first 100 videos
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Same thing can be true for
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And I, I like that.
I, I do agree with that.

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I, I think that there is
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the work upfront.
Your 1st 20 episodes, you're,

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you're not an expert by any
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storytelling, all of that.
And even after 100 episodes, I

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don't think you're an expert at
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it, it does take reps to kind of
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with that audience.
So I I just wanted to highlight

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that comment that.
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And Michael, if you're free,
would love to have you come up

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on stage because I have some
questions about that statement

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just in the sense I'm not sure
I, I quite follow it.

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I mean, I think it's what Nick
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really, those first hundred are
your reps they're for, you know,

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those first 100 people that find
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Is that really, is that what
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I'm curious.
I guess Mike Michael can't jump

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up on stage.
Maybe he'll answer in the chat.

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But I think that's what he's oh,
here, here he comes.

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Oh, this is Janae coming up.
And actually, Janae, the next

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question is going to be, I
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answer.
But Janae, did you want to

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comment on this?
Good morning, good morning.

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Great to be here in the early
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First of all, they've done 20
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Brutus to them it's almost and
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monthly, you're like asking a 20
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miracles.
You haven't put in it, put

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enough time into it.
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what Alex and Nicholas is
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You've got to have your wife
figured out Who's your audience

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said saying, who's your
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You got to make sure.
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talking, they're already got the
audience that they're looking to

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inspire, right?
When one person is talking, then

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people like, OK, who is he
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Do I really need to go in?
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people that we follow, they
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they shared very specific
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that's totally dialed in.
So they need to, you know, go

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back and go back to the drawing
bar, figure out what is it that

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you're really looking to and
maybe set a timeline.

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Hey, we're going to do 30
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it all.
And then if that doesn't work

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and like, OK, well, that was a
good run, Let's do something

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else.
I love that.

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Thank you, Janaid.
I appreciate that.

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And I want to pause for a second
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love to hear a little bit more
from Janaid, not about the next

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question, but Janaid, I happened
to, he told me this privately

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and publicly.
He posted, Janaid got to

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interview a person that we often
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morning chat.
Pat Flynn got to interview Pat

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Flynn yesterday.
And I'm curious, Janae, tell us

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a little bit about that.
How did it go?

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Was there any big take away that
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us regarding that interview?
Would love to hear all about it.

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Oh, man, you put me on the spot.
It's too early.

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What was amazing is first of
all, you know, I've, I've built

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this rapport with him.
We I by this first course in

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2018, and I mentioned all of
these things in the podcast is,

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you know, following that
journey, following him buying

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his course, being part of the
community, getting asked to, you

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know, be interviewed and you've
been interviewed on his show as

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well.
And then he's just he's just

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very genuine person, right?
He's like today, this we've seen

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a lot of each other this year,
how it feeling and he's like, I

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like it.
And that's because when we keep

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showing up in the places, like
all of the all of the Co hosts

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here, all the people up here on
the stage, Dr. Alex Nicholas

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said.
You know everybody when we see

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each other in places and when we
meet in person, it's safe

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feeling like you known each
other for for for all of your

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life, which is really powerful.
So it kind of felt like that I

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was a little bit nervous in the
beginning and he's like, and,

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but then we got the flow and we
got talking and it was just

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really good.
And, and some of these things

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that he shared is applied to
this, right?

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He, he started his shorts
channel and that was all around

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Pokémon.
And he's talked about this in

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other places maybe, but he gave
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He's like, I'm going to do a
short video for 60 days.

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It's going to be the same DAC
formula for those videos and a

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30 day mark to know he's like
getting 100 views, 200 views and

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he's feeling a little
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But then he's like, no, I gave
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I got to keep going.
The other thing that happened is

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was initially he was spending 45
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that video.
By the end of that 60th video,

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took him 13 minutes.
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something over and over and
over, you just get better at it.

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One video I think hit 757,000
views and two date in three

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under 300 days.
He was able to get to 1.4

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million subscribers for that
Channel and it's not connected

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to the main channel.
And on top of that, he's made 5

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figure income from YouTube alone
for the four months that's that

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he's been on there.
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Kind of mind blowing.
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How long ago was that, that he
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journey?
Is that 3?

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100 days ago.
OK, 300 days ago.

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Wow.
Yeah, and then he was also on

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Gary Vee's live stream yesterday
because when we were talking,

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he's like, guess what?
I'm going tomorrow.

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Like where?
So I'm going to see Gary Vee

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because I mentioned that I
learned about him in Gary Vee's

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book Crushing It.
Wow, Yeah, I saw, I saw Pat

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Flynn's stories and I saw him
sitting there doing doing some

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Pokémon ING.
That's a term with Gary Vee.

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Yeah.
Really cool.

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Really cool.
And so cool that, you know,

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you've made such a strong
connection with him.

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And you're right.
It's because I, I believe he is

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such a genuine person and he
really does care about what he's

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building and the people that
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So it's cool to see how see that
in motion and see how you know

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you have gotten so much from him
and hopefully I'm sure he's

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gotten a lot from you as well.
I can't wait.

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When is that interview going to
come out?

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So the interviews dropping on
the June the 3rd, basically the

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same day his episode is his book
is launching.

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Yeah, good idea.
And I'm like, it's the best gift

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anybody can ask for because it's
my birthday the next day.

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Yeah, nice.
So thanks, Yeah, thank you,

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Janae.
And we're going to probably come

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back to you here, but we'll give
you a minute if you need to

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catch your breath.
I saw Alex had his hand up about

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this initial one.
Oh, thank you, Nick.

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Appreciate it.
All right, we'll go to Dave's

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question from the Buzz Sprout
community in just a moment.

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Alex, did you want to add
anything to the conversation?

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Yeah.
Sure.

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I mean, I think that you just
scrap the whole thing and I'm

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not trying to be funny because
yes, you can work it out and you

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should work it out.
But the fact is, if your partner

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or husband is going to give you
crap about it, it's only going

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to cause more problems.
And it's only been 20 episodes.

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I mean, you don't even know what
you have.

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I know I'm talking on both sides
of my mouth when I say this.

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I mean, it's 20 episodes doesn't
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You still have time to kind of
grow and figure out what the

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show is.
But the same time, if it's not

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clicking, it's not clicking.
That's the real question.

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Is it clicking between to hosts?
If it's not, then either they

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have to change it a little bit
or just scrap it.

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I maybe I'm just a little jaded
from the view that I have, but

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you know, at the same time, you
know, make it work or don't make

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it work.
You know, I don't know.

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It's, it's something I'm
struggling with.

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I guess that's why it's a little
inner.

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Yeah, I I hear that.
And I think ultimately, well,

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first of all, I want to not
contradict, but I want to push

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back a little bit in the sense
that 20 episodes is something

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and then clearly they're putting
in the reps and they are

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learning from this.
So it's not for nothing having

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those 20 episodes in.
And I think that it does really

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come down to the chemistry,
really taking a look at yourself

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and your Co host, is there a
really good chemistry here or

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are we forcing it?
And ultimately, like we were

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saying earlier, it comes down to
what are you doing to get more

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eyes and ears on your content?
And if it's not working, what

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can you do differently?
If if the chemistry's there,

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then I think the focus needs to
be on the content and how you're

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going to promote that content.
And I think you're right.

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I think your people are very
quick to point figures.

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And at the end of the day, yeah,
it's about promotion, but it's

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also about do you want to do
this and do you have what it

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takes to do what needs to be
done?

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But I think there's a lot of
dynamics to this.

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I don't think it's just as black
and white as he's not doing this

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and you're not doing that.
There might be some other stuff

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going on if he's bringing up his
his partner or her partner.

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Very possible.
We only have a little a little

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snippet of what's going on
there, and I think we've done a

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good job of doing our best to
give this person some direction

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here.
So let's move on to Dave's

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question from the Buzz Sprout
community on Facebook.

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Dave says.
And listen up, Janae, because I

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think you can relate to this.
Dave says I'm not having any

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problem finding excellent guests
for my show.

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In fact, that's part of my
enjoyment in podcasting.

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I'm meeting some incredible
folks.

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My question is, I'm six weeks
ahead with completed episodes.

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How many ahead is enough?
I like being ahead but don't

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want my guests waiting too long
for the episodes to go live.

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So ultimately the question here
is, is how far in advance to do

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I need to record?
Is there a magic number?

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And is there such a thing as
being too far ahead?

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So I'm, I'm, I keep calling out
Janae because I happen to know

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and I think Janae has shared
once or twice in this forum, I

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think he's shared that he's very
far ahead.

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So Janae, I want to go to you
first.

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What advice would you give to
Dave here?

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He's six weeks ahead.
How far should he go?

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Isn't that an amazing question
and a good problem to have to

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being that many episodes ahead?
So what I've the question is,

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does he continue on to have new
connections?

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Because I just recorded 5
episodes?

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Yes, you know, this week and
which is going to push everybody

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much forward.
So there's a few different

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things that you can do.
And what I've done is like, OK,

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I'm just going to pause
recording.

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Like for a few months I didn't
even record anything because I'm

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so far ahead.
But what I was missing is the

447
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,200
connections, right?
I still wanted to connect with

448
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:26,000
new people and help where I can
in their journey of, of getting

449
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,000
to be better guests on podcast.
If that's something that are

450
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,600
still here, People are telling
me that, Oh my God, nobody ever

451
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,840
told me that I can use a phone
for a camera or nobody ever told

452
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,400
me that I need to have a
microphone being your guest on

453
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,240
the show.
So I feel like that education

454
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,560
these guests still need to have.
So besides that, what did I,

455
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,560
what am I doing to solve the
problem?

456
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,040
Well, I'm increasing, I'm
increasing the number of

457
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,080
episodes that are dropping on
the podcast.

458
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,200
So instead of going from 2
episodes to three episodes of 4

459
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,680
episodes a week so that we can
catch up, we can get a little

460
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,200
further ahead.
And the other thing that I've

461
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,120
implemented as I'm now doing
weekly live streams with new

462
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,720
potential guests.
So these people, these are

463
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,640
people I've never met before,
but they want to come and be a

464
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,720
guest on the show.
Initially I was doing one-on-one

465
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,760
calls and that was taking too
long.

466
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,800
So then I implemented group
calls last week, sorry, last

467
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,760
year, which enabled me to talk
to 5610 people at the same time

468
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,000
who want to come be guests.
And so I was like, OK, that's

469
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,720
still putting pressure into the
publication department.

470
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,880
What can I do to relieve and the
guests feeling like, Hey, I have

471
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,360
something online which and
eight.

472
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:47,680
So I'm, I started this live
stream last week where I'm

473
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,320
bringing a new guest and doing
this live stream and introducing

474
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,880
them to the world and then going
back and, you know, giving them

475
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,240
a chance to speak even deeply.
So last week I spoke with Aisha,

476
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,960
David and Charlie.
And this week I recorded a full

477
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,120
episode with David so that he
can, you know, share all the

478
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,800
things that they're going to.
So that's something that I've

479
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,440
done.
I've actually written an article

480
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:18,600
on my LinkedIn that goes deeper
into my solution and how to get

481
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,840
over the backlog issue.
Thanks.

482
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,840
Yeah.
Thank you, Janae.

483
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,160
So yeah, what I'm hearing is,
yeah, if if you want to continue

484
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,480
on and be even further ahead
than six weeks, one solution may

485
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,960
be to add more shows that you're
delivering to your audience per

486
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,520
week.
So if this guy in particular,

487
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,160
Dave, and in the Buzzprout
group, if he's doing once a

488
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,000
week, well, maybe then he wants
to do 2 shows a week to, to, to

489
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,760
get, you know, to stay ahead and
to still deliver content in a

490
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,960
timely fashion so that the guest
isn't waiting weeks or months

491
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,840
for that episode to come out.
Because sometimes the timing is

492
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,640
pretty crucial.
You know, like Janae pointed out

493
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,560
earlier, he had Pat Flynn on and
he's going to release the

494
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,800
episode when Pat Flynn's new
book comes out.

495
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,680
That's a great strategy and one
that I think a guest would

496
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,800
really appreciate.
And I really like the idea of

497
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,880
doing the live stream version of
your show.

498
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,520
If you are really partially in
this for connection and you want

499
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,120
to have these interviews and you
want to conduct them and you are

500
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,880
so far ahead that you want to
make sure that this contents out

501
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,440
there, yeah, maybe you do a live
stream interview.

502
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,560
My question to you Janae, is do
those live streams ever come out

503
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,080
as podcast episodes or do you
just keep them solely as a live

504
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,560
stream or live stream content?
I had dabbled on this to see if

505
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,560
I should, you know, record a
live on Thursday and then

506
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,360
publish it on Friday.
But then I was like, it's kind

507
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,160
of it's going to confuse the
people who are just regularly

508
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,320
listening to the podcast.
So I didn't.

509
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,480
I'm just keeping them as live
streams on three platforms,

510
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,200
Facebook, LinkedIn and YouTube.
Love it.

511
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,800
OK, cool.
And Sid, I saw your hand was up.

512
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,040
Did you want to follow up or ask
a question?

513
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,080
Yeah, Thank you.
Mark, I would actually a little

514
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:18,480
bit disagree with what you just
said, OK, about putting in like

515
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,760
if you're ahead, then
congratulate yourself for being

516
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,960
ahead and continue to work to
stay ahead Because when you get

517
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,760
behind, it's a pain in the butt,
right?

518
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,880
Because you got to catch up and
you got to find this person, you

519
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,240
got to do that, blah, blah,
blah, right?

520
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,640
And then because everybody on
your team under pressure to get

521
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,160
things done in time.
So if you're six weeks ahead,

522
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,240
get 12 weeks ahead.
I would not disrupt the cadence

523
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,480
of my show by say, oh, I'm way
ahead.

524
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,680
I'm just going to start adding
more episode drops and do two a

525
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,040
month or four a month rather
than two a month, right?

526
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,800
Because I just think that
disrupting the cadence disrupts

527
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,240
the audience's expectations of
what you're doing, right?

528
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,960
Because your regular listeners
begin to expect that, you know,

529
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,520
for me, every other Monday, I
drop an episode.

530
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,320
If I start dropping an episode
every Monday because I'm, you

531
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,800
know, ahead, I think that might
actually deter people.

532
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,360
That's just my thought process,
right?

533
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,760
But I mean, today is the 22nd of
May and my show for this season

534
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,840
will end the the first week in
November.

535
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,400
And I only have two spots to
fill.

536
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,200
I've either recorded or have
recording scheduled for through

537
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,880
through the end of the year.
And I feel really, really great

538
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,160
about that.
Even though they're not all

539
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,360
recorded, I am ahead of the
game.

540
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,120
I know who's going to be on my
show when it's going to air,

541
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,920
when I'm recording it.
And I only have two spots to

542
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,160
fill.
And it makes me feel really good

543
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,240
to be in that position as we
head into the summer.

544
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,400
So I wouldn't, I would not add
more episodes just because you

545
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,680
have the content already done.
I would keep banking it and then

546
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,680
it makes it easier to produce
and get the content out there.

547
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,880
I appreciate that.
And to that strategy, what I

548
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,480
would say is make sure you're
connecting with your guests and

549
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,040
find out if they're, if there's
a timing thing involved here,

550
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,120
you know, if they have that book
coming out or if they have some

551
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,040
project that they're hoping to
promote to your audience.

552
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,000
Make sure of the timing and
restructure your schedule, bump

553
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,560
them up so that their content,
their interview can get out

554
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,280
there in line with whatever it
is that they are promoting.

555
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,440
I think that's really important.
And yeah, I mean, I see both

556
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,840
sides to this coin.
I get it.

557
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,600
What Sid is saying.
It's like, yeah, just keep

558
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,720
going, stay ahead of schedule,
don't disrupt the flow of

559
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,040
things, and the content will get
out there when it's supposed to

560
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,680
get out there.
I see that.

561
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:47,120
And I also just I think I see it
more through the through Dave's

562
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,640
eyes where I would feel eager to
get the content out.

563
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,880
And the more I'm banking, the
more I feel like I don't know, I

564
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,640
just feel a little overwhelmed
with it.

565
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,960
So the question goes again to is
there a magic number it do you

566
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,560
know, is 6 weeks ahead enough or
12 weeks or whatever that looks

567
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,440
like?
I'm curious and if those of you

568
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,600
listening here live, what are
your thoughts?

569
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,160
Put it in the chat.
Is 6 weeks enough?

570
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,320
Do they keep going like Sid is
suggesting?

571
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,480
Just keep going?
And I mean look, Janae just

572
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,560
keeps going and I Janae.
If you don't mind, how many

573
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,120
episodes do you have banked
currently?

574
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:32,120
About 80. 80 He's got over a
year's worth of weekly.

575
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,280
Content.
It's crazy and I do like what I

576
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,400
said also said, right, I agree.
I agree to said that, you know,

577
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,720
we should be celebrating.
We should be saying, hey, this

578
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,760
is pretty awesome and to to
rebuttal that I'm in I'm in both

579
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,200
boats actually.
So I've got I've got 80 episodes

580
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,480
with guest interviews, but then
I also want to fill in some of

581
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,920
my although episodes, right?
So something that I've

582
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,400
introduced in season 7 is like,
you know, every every even

583
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,000
number episode is going to be a
solo episode of me talking and

584
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,840
every even number is me.
And then every odd number is the

585
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,520
guest episode.
So my episodes drop every week.

586
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,360
Guest episodes drop maybe two or
three times a week.

587
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,199
So that's something that I'm
experimenting with now.

588
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,360
It all comes down to, hey, if
you've banked this many episodes

589
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,560
with guest interviews and if
they have a special announcement

590
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,679
that they want to make and you
can make meet the time work,

591
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,679
then you know, work with them.
But if not, then you know, then

592
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:46,360
you are free to do how you do
because I remember Jeff, who's

593
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,639
up on stage.
He said he recently published an

594
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,840
episode that he recorded in 2021
and 2025.

595
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,800
S Back to you, Mark.
Yeah.

596
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,000
And yeah, Jeff is on stage with
us.

597
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,040
And yeah, I know that about Jeff
too.

598
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:05,360
He has quite a bit of episodes
banked and years worth, I

599
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,320
suppose.
So, Jeff, yeah.

600
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,960
You want to chime in on this?
Good morning.

601
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,520
I am team Janae there.
The magic number is there is no

602
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,120
number the so like my my show is
a pop culture podcast, right?

603
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,680
So I talked to celebrities, I
guess, right.

604
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,560
So people who were famous when
they were famous, like, but so

605
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,920
like when the strike happened,
right?

606
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,320
You guys remember, like there
was a writers strike last year

607
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,120
that went for months.
No one would talk to me because

608
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,600
they weren't allowed to talk.
So had I not had a bank, then I

609
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,960
would have kind of been, you
know, up a Creek.

610
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,000
And then when the LA fires
happened, guess what?

611
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,640
A lot of the people I talked to
live in California and in LA.

612
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,600
And even if the fires hadn't
impacted them, they knew 10

613
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,560
people that it did.
So they were in no mood to talk

614
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,880
about, you know, stuff.
And so there's, there's reasons,

615
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,520
you know, like, like, Mark, what
if like you did this show by

616
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,200
yourself, right?
And then you went away for two

617
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,640
weeks, right?
So if you had banked it, if you

618
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,080
had a show already made, you
could run it on the holiday too.

619
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,360
I mean, there's a live show.
So that doesn't make sense.

620
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,960
But you know what I mean, No?
Well, and I do, you know, I have

621
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,640
banked interviews that I've done
in the past that haven't been

622
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,280
aired here on the podcasting
morning chat that we've edited

623
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,600
and now are ready to play in
case of an emergency, for lack

624
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,800
of a better term.
Right.

625
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,080
And then to me, like, the idea
of banking is that you can then

626
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,360
control the narrative of the
show.

627
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,160
You know, let's say Janae
hypothetically, you know,

628
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,280
interviewed his 80 people and 10
of them were similar topics,

629
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,200
maybe different takes on it, but
similar topics, right?

630
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,440
And then if he only had those
10, he'd have to run 10 episodes

631
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,800
that are going to feel similar.
But if he has it banked, he can

632
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,040
then control.
All right, every fifth episode,

633
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,120
I'm going to put one of these
out and they'll kind of build on

634
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,680
that topic without burning
people out of that specific

635
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,000
topic.
So you can kind of like, I'll

636
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,120
interview people and I'll put a
comic.

637
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,120
You know, I won't run 10 comics
in a row.

638
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,000
You know, I also think if
someone's willing to talk to

639
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,080
you, record it, you know, don't,
don't wait.

640
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,680
And then plus you never want to
be in a position where it's

641
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,280
like, OK, I got put the show out
on Monday, I'm recording the

642
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,560
previous Monday and they cancel
on me, right?

643
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,880
And I have nothing in the bank.
So, you know, to me it's like, I

644
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,880
get that.
If I also agree with what

645
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,800
everyone was said, like if you,
if somebody has a book like

646
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,960
Pat's book, then absolutely you
rearrange it and kind of put it

647
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,240
so that you can coordinate and
be a friend to that person as

648
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,280
well.
But you know, I think it's, it's

649
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,560
our show.
They're not paying to be on the

650
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,360
show.
So, you know, so whether they

651
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,840
wait X amount or not, I've been
on a show where I had to wait

652
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,800
six months for it to air.
They told me, but you know, I'm

653
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,360
like, all right.
And guess what?

654
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,800
Six months later, it exists for
the rest of my life.

655
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,880
So.
Yeah.

656
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,040
Thank you, Jeff.
And one thing that you said that

657
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,160
just it made me think of another
idea too.

658
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,360
If we've got multiple guests at
speaking on similar topics, yes,

659
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,960
this is going to be a little
more work, but you could create

660
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,680
one episode with multiple guests
and play, you know, different

661
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,640
questions and those different
answers.

662
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,440
If it's all under the same
umbrella, the same theme, that

663
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,800
actually I think creates a way
more dynamic and engaging

664
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,360
episode than playing one episode
with the same person going back

665
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,160
and forth.
Just a creative way.

666
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,560
If you want to get some content
out there, if you're 80 episodes

667
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,720
ahead, like Janae, that could be
another way of, of presenting

668
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,360
the content that you've
recorded.

669
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,440
So I love that.
And by the way, Jeff, your mic

670
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,080
is unmuted.
There you go.

671
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,200
Just 'cause I get distracted
hearing background noise and,

672
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,720
and I see we have some other
people here on stage.

673
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,960
So let me say hello to Kate
first since she was on stage

674
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,720
before Julie, and then we'll
check in with Julie.

675
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,040
Hello, Kate.
Did you want to add anything to

676
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,600
this?
Good morning.

677
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:06,520
You know what I did, but I feel
like I would just be repeating

678
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,320
what everyone said at this
point, so.

679
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,280
That's fair.
But because I feel like I, I was

680
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:17,120
agreeing with Sid and I have
quite a few episodes banked and

681
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,480
I almost feel that when I feel
that way of like, oh, I have

682
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,160
these episode banks.
It's that's so awesome.

683
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,720
And then all of a sudden life
will get super busy and then

684
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:26,400
like 3 months later I'm like,
oh, I'm so glad I had those

685
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,920
because now I don't have them.
So I kind of like, for me it

686
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,360
kind of flows.
But it's interesting hearing

687
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,720
like Janae say he has so many
and that makes him feel good.

688
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,560
And Mark, you were like, well, I
don't like having them all.

689
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,920
I want to get them out.
So I really do feel like it's a

690
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,200
personal preference.
Like it's how everybody works.

691
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,200
So if you feel better about not
having that many bank because

692
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,720
you want to get all of them out
when in real time, that I think

693
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,640
that's the way to go if that's
how you work and that's how you

694
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,160
do your best work.
And so I think it's kind of like

695
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,280
everyone has to do what makes
them feel comfortable and good

696
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,720
about their show.
Yeah.

697
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:00,840
And the best part is you can
always adjust.

698
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,080
I think that a lot of us feel
like we we're locked into a

699
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,840
certain way that we do it and
then we can't change it.

700
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,480
But that's not the case.
Yeah, if it's working for you,

701
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,440
go for it.
And then if it's not, then start

702
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,760
looking into some changes.
So yeah, I'm with you.

703
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,560
Yeah.
I have a question but it's not

704
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,400
really around this topic so I'll
I can like wait till till later

705
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,400
if we want to finish up.
I like I like real time

706
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,320
questions.
Go for it.

707
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,520
Oh, well, I've been, I actually
had reached out to Jonathan

708
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,880
after last week or the week
before, I don't really remember,

709
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,800
but when we were talking about
like branding and stuff.

710
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,960
So I've been kind of trying to,
I've been restructuring my show

711
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,160
a little bit.
So I don't normally have like

712
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,400
specific questions, but I
actually have been putting

713
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,080
together a list of questions to
almost guide the conversation.

714
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,800
Obviously there were big enough
questions that the show would be

715
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,840
very different, but just to kind
of like help with the like, what

716
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,680
is this show about and who it's
for?

717
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,520
I want people to feel very much
like, oh, this show is for me.

718
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,400
I also have been trying to
figure out like, what is the

719
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,440
like, who is the show for?
Like who is that Avatar?

720
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,800
Like if I said my show is for
this kind of person, that that

721
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,040
person was like, oh, I'm into
that.

722
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,840
Like I wanted, I want to listen
to that show cuz those are the

723
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,760
shows that I love.
When you hear it and you're

724
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,440
like, yeah, that's for me.
So I wanted to share it and get

725
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,120
people's opinions on it.
No, go for it.

726
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:22,240
Yeah, if it's clear.
OK.

727
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:27,440
So I came up with ambitious
professionals with a creative

728
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680
soul.
And then the tagline would be

729
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,440
Make something it matters.
Say it once more, I want to.

730
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,400
Let it Ambitious, ambitious
professionals with a creative

731
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,280
soul.
Yeah, I, I mean, that speaks to

732
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,120
me when I hear it.
And I think, I think that's, I,

733
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,680
I would fit under that category
and I would that would get me

734
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,520
interested, although I've
already had an interest in your

735
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,720
show.
But yeah, hypothetically I would

736
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,640
be interested in a show that
presents that way.

737
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,720
Yeah, I like that.
Sid, did you want to comment?

738
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,200
Yeah.
I mean, Kate, I think it's on

739
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,240
point.
Ambitious professional.

740
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,720
I think a lot of people even can
identify with that and the

741
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,280
creative soul.
I mean, that's also a very

742
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,240
telling thing.
You could be an ambitious

743
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,880
professional and not be
creative, right?

744
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,400
So I think you're doing a great
job with that then trying to

745
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,800
really identify who your
audience is.

746
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,920
I had somebody ask us in an
interview, we got our new

747
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,400
business, we got interviewed,
bought for a magazine feature

748
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,680
that's going to come out in a
few weeks.

749
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,600
And he asked us who is this for?
And very similar to what Kate

750
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,280
just said, I said this is for
growth minded business leaders.

751
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,760
If you are not a growth minded
business leader, we're not for

752
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,880
you.
And I think those descriptors,

753
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,760
you want to eliminate people
just as you want to attract

754
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,800
people.
And I think leaning into those

755
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,760
adjectives, if you will, that
really define your avatar is a

756
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,520
great thing to do when we also
do more of it.

757
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,480
Agreed, and I'm curious Kate
does professional.

758
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,480
Well, I should say it this way.
Would you getting even more

759
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,840
specific than professional?
Would that work for you?

760
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,280
And I'm not suggesting it, it
would.

761
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,520
This is a genuine question.
Is that still could that be too

762
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,280
broad?
Would would entrepreneur work

763
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,040
better?
Would something, I forget what

764
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,160
Sid used in his example, but
something more like Sid used?

765
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,240
Or do you feel like professional
speaks well to what you're

766
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:20,560
doing?
I feel like saying entrepreneur.

767
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,560
So a lot of the people that
listen to the show, they're not

768
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,600
entrepreneurs.
They like have they have a job

769
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,960
like they work for someone like
a lot of our clients are.

770
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,240
They listen to the show and
they're like a leader, a

771
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,920
manager.
So I think a lot of, although,

772
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,360
you know, I think a lot of
people still identify with

773
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,520
entrepreneur if they are
entrepreneurial, I think they do

774
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,120
identify with entrepreneur as
well, even if they aren't 1.

775
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,320
So I think it could, it could
work.

776
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,920
But I think for me it's like the
professional side, just because

777
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,640
I talk so much to people around,
yes, I have my job and I and I

778
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,840
like it.
I'm not, I'm not trying to have

779
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,120
a podcast as a business, but I
do love podcasting or I do love

780
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,280
storytelling and movies or, or
cooking and gardening and kind

781
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,000
of getting into a creative
pursuit.

782
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,080
So.
But I don't know, like, This is

783
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,760
why I'm trying to workshop it,
you know?

784
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,000
Yeah.
And I'm not trying to confuse

785
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,600
you or make it more difficult.
I'm just thinking sometimes it

786
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,240
works to get more specific,
other times it doesn't.

787
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,960
And I'm, I'm hearing you and I
think still now professional

788
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,760
does feel more appropriate.
And I see Janae has a question.

789
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,600
It might be the one he just put
in the chat.

790
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,360
But go for it, Janae, let's hear
it.

791
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Kate, awesome title for the
podcast.

792
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,840
I agree with it being more
specific.

793
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,160
And I've told that for two other
people who come to ask me, Well,

794
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,120
I want to ask, you know, what's
the goal for the show that

795
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,880
you're trying to get those
listeners to do?

796
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,480
Because there's some transition
or transformation that you're

797
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:51,200
that you want your listeners to
do.

798
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,240
Or maybe you're sharing these
questions, are answering these

799
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:56,840
questions that people are asking
you.

800
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,560
Again, what's the what's that
thing that you want them to do

801
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,360
after listening to your episode?
So the whole concept of the show

802
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,880
is around, so it's called Create
for no reason and it's all about

803
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,600
the joy and frustration of the
creative process and building a

804
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,440
body of work.
So the show is basically, I'm

805
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,920
talking to people that are
creating anything, a newsletter,

806
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,200
podcast, videos, anything.
And they're going through their

807
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,480
creative process and practice
of, you know, what are they

808
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,760
doing to stay on track with
their newsletter?

809
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,200
How do they deal with imposter
syndrome?

810
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,360
How do they get, how do they get
through something?

811
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,520
But it's all around like they're
sharing the tools and what

812
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,960
they're doing to actually create
their work so that the end of

813
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,160
every episode, the goal is that
not that, oh, that was really

814
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,480
fun show.
I'm so happy I listen.

815
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,080
It's like, oh, I'm actually
going to try this.

816
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,840
Like somebody mentioned how, oh,
they're doing this newsletter

817
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,480
and now they started a
newsletter on LinkedIn.

818
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,600
I didn't even know LinkedIn had
a newsletter feature.

819
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,760
Now I'm going to go and maybe
test it out and try it for my

820
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,200
own newsletter.
So it really is around getting

821
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,520
people to share their their
creative process in a way that

822
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,400
is getting so detailed.
So it sparks someone to think,

823
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,320
oh, I can try that.
I can do that.

824
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,240
I'm going to implement that in
my creative pursuit.

825
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,840
OK, Janae, so with that, where
do you go from here?

826
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,160
I love that because you're
basically highlighting the fact

827
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,840
that you've got to put in the
reps and how are these people

828
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,920
putting in the reps to stay
creative, to stay motivated, to

829
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,720
create a body of work that is
making them proud?

830
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,600
Am I accurate in that?
Yes, absolutely.

831
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,760
OK.
Mike had said maybe something

832
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,600
like frustrated creators as an
option versus professional, and

833
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,760
we're frustrated professionals
maybe.

834
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,600
But what I like about Mike's
suggestion is it's more specific

835
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,200
and it hits a pain point, which
we talk a lot about when we're

836
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,840
creating podcasting is, you
know, are we solving a pain

837
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,200
point or pain points for our
target audience?

838
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,800
And that really, in my opinion,
speaks to it.

839
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,480
So I'm Kate, what do you think
about something like that?

840
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,800
And again, not saying that's
what you should do.

841
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,440
I'm saying that that that's
something that I gravitate to

842
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,840
and I'm curious what you think
about it.

843
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,120
Yeah, No, I like that.
I I do like that.

844
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,920
My only reason for always going
back to some kind of

845
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,840
professional is that I'm, I'm
trying to, I'm trying to like

846
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,400
even that subtitle of my book is
a guide to living your creative

847
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,400
life without leaving your job.
Like I'm really trying to get

848
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,600
people that are professionals
that like, they might not even

849
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,760
see themselves as a creator.
They don't even know that they,

850
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,440
they don't even know the joy
that they're missing out on

851
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,880
because they're like, well, I
have a job.

852
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,960
I can't start a podcast.
I have a job.

853
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,840
I no one cares about a
newsletter that I would write,

854
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,880
but like, or I have a job.
I don't have time to, you know,

855
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,640
take jiu jitsu.
I really want people to get

856
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,560
inspired to like recognize like
I can do this.

857
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,040
So I think both options work.
I think they could both work and

858
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,160
I like them both.
So this is where I'm like, I

859
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,520
don't know, I just have to
choose the one and go with it.

860
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,280
But there's something that I'm
tied to around this professional

861
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,840
only because a lot of the people
we coach, they are, they're more

862
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,680
traditional professions.
And they when, when they start

863
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,880
getting back into like baking
and doing things that they like

864
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,640
playing guitar, like they just,
they lost it that they, they,

865
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,600
they didn't even, they didn't
even think that that would bring

866
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,480
them so much joy because, you
know, they did it as a kid.

867
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,840
They don't think they can do it
now.

868
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,520
OK, that's fair.
And maybe maybe frustrated

869
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,840
professional versus creator
might sink in better.

870
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,960
I, I, I respect that you are
gravitating to that word

871
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,320
professional.
It speaks more in your opinion,

872
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,040
to your audience.
So, yeah, much like you're

873
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,040
saying, I, I think pick it and
stick with it and see how it

874
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,080
goes for a while.
And if it's working, great.

875
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,840
If not, you can always adjust.
I saw several people wanted to

876
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,880
comment.
I'm going to be limited with who

877
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,240
I go to only because I still
want to hear from Julie.

878
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,080
So DRI, think I saw your hand up
first.

879
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:10,120
Go for it.
Well, also utilize a subtitle,

880
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,720
you know.
And I'm sorry, what was the

881
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,760
title of your show?
Again, title, by the way.

882
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,240
I think this is more of her
clearly trying to define her,

883
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:19,560
her audience.
Yeah.

884
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,560
So go ahead, Kate.
OK, well the the subtitle will

885
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,600
help you define that audience as
well and will help the audience

886
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,000
find you so.
Yeah, 'cause Kate's show.

887
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,600
Kate, this is for create for no
reason, right?

888
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:42,080
Yes, OK, so create for no reason
conversations about the joy of

889
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,800
hobbies or you know, something
like that something

890
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:51,120
conversations tips for advice
for conversations about use that

891
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:56,200
as like a subtitle and that can
also help you and put some SEO

892
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,800
words in there.
Yeah, that, that can always

893
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,160
help.
Let's see.

894
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,440
I'm going to go to Sid and then
we're going to check in with

895
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,400
Julie.
Go ahead, Sid.

896
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,040
Sorry to meet that.
OK.

897
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,920
One of the things that I'm doing
right now is I'm in the process

898
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,960
of interviewing my listeners and
I did a dynamic ad at the

899
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,760
beginning of my show.
And I know who listeners are

900
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,240
because they reach out to me and
I've reached out to them and

901
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:25,800
asked them to let me interview
them one O 1 on Zoom and I asked

902
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,000
them five questions.
It ends up being about a 30

903
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,040
minute conversation.
And I am learning so much from

904
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,160
this process.
I'm doing this to prepare for

905
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,480
how I want to revamp the show in
season 7, which will kick off in

906
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,280
late January.
But I'm learning so much about

907
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,840
my audience, about what they
like about the show, about what

908
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,280
their needs are because one of
the questions that I asked them

909
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,200
is what are you struggling with
right now?

910
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,400
And that's it.
Two things A that informs me for

911
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,960
content that I can bring that
can help them.

912
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,400
The second thing it does is it
informs my business about

913
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:06,080
solutions that my business might
be able to offer to, to to my

914
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,040
podcast listeners, right?
So you might want to reach out

915
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,960
and do a one-on-one interviews
with them to learn from them.

916
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:15,640
That might help you with some of
this workshopping that you're

917
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,120
trying to do around truly
identify who these people are.

918
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,200
Thank you, Sid.
And yes, you know what I have

919
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,600
been doing because you said you
were doing that.

920
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,720
That's exactly what I have been
doing, which is why I decided to

921
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:29,400
structure my show with the new
questions.

922
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,480
So thank you.
Very cool.

923
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,560
Thank you, Sid.
Thank you, Kate.

924
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,840
Appreciate you coming up on
stage and asking your questions.

925
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,000
You're always welcome to do that
and anybody is welcome to do

926
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,480
that at any point during the
show.

927
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,760
If you've got something that you
want answered, come bring it and

928
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,240
we'll be happy to answer it.
And let's check in with Julie.

929
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,360
Julie, good morning.
Welcome back to the stage.

930
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,800
Did you want to add to the
conversation?

931
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,480
Did you have your own question?
The floor is yours.

932
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,800
Thank you and thanks for having
me.

933
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,040
I love the conversation.
There's so many.

934
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,080
I learned something new every
time I come in this room.

935
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,720
I'm totally going to ask the
question that Sid just ask like

936
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:09,360
what?
What problems do you have?

937
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,840
But I do have a quick question
and I'm coming up on 100

938
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,880
episodes of my podcast.
I can't believe I've done 100

939
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:17,920
episodes.
It's awesome.

940
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,320
Yeah.
So I want to celebrate that, but

941
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,320
I also want to start.
I, just, after we went to

942
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,840
podcast, I, I went into all
those, you know, monetization

943
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,200
rooms and, and I've been doing a
little bit better with being the

944
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,040
sponsor of my own podcast.
And I'm also thinking about, I

945
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,120
actually pitched my first
sponsorship to a company this

946
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,400
week.
And the second thing I'm

947
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,640
thinking about is charging for
people to be on my podcast and

948
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,800
offering a package where I coach
them on, you know, what they're

949
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,240
going to say a little bit
because I do Ingredients for

950
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,080
Success.
And now I'm interviewing small

951
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,680
business owners.
So what I'm doing is I'm

952
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,800
offering them a platform to get
their business in front of our

953
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,880
local audience here and in South
Florida.

954
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,880
I've, I've pivoted a little bit
to having a local podcast.

955
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,040
And So what I'm doing is I'm
giving them a platform to be

956
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,040
able to share their business
with a lot of different kinds of

957
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,960
people and then getting into a
lot of different newsletters

958
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,480
locally.
So I'm thinking about charging

959
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,400
for the episode and a little bit
of coaching and some shorts and

960
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,360
some like shout outs.
And so I just wanted to know

961
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,640
what you guys thought about that
and maybe some tips or pointers

962
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,920
on how I should do that.
Great question and I'm going to

963
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:45,280
post here a link to an episode
we did, I don't know, couple

964
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,000
months back.
This this one is all about

965
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,200
charging your guests to be on
your show.

966
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:58,280
And Victoria was our guest and
she really broke it down well

967
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,240
how she does it and how she does
it successfully.

968
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,040
And I think that you'll get a
ton of great information there

969
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,680
if you listen to that episode.
So that is episode 256.

970
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,400
It's called Why and how this
host charges guests to be on her

971
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,320
show with Victoria Meyer.
I think if you go there and take

972
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,440
about an hour to listen, I think
you'll get a ton of those

973
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,920
questions answered.
So that's that's going to be

974
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,720
what I'm going to leave you with
right now.

975
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,560
Awesome.
Thank you so much.

976
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:27,880
Yeah, you're welcome.
You're welcome.

977
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,400
And we are at the top of the
hour.

978
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,080
So this is a good place to say
we'll be back again tomorrow,

979
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,440
7:00 AM Eastern, as we are most
Mondays through Fridays, except

980
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,640
when there might be vacations or
holidays.

981
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,920
So come join us tomorrow morning
again, 7:00 AM Eastern, live

982
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,920
here on Clubhouse.
That information's in the show

983
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,800
notes if you're listening via
podcast.

984
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,360
Otherwise, if you're here live,
you know exactly what to do.

985
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,800
So we'll be back and until then,
make it a great day.

986
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:55,920
Everybody take care.