307 - Why Your Audience Won’t Stick Without A Solid Community

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Good morning, podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Monday, May 19th, 2025,
and today we're digging into

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what it really means to build a
podcast community, not just grow

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an audience, and why that
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Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again, podcasting
Morning Chat.

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Thank you for being here.
It seems that I've got a bit of

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a frog in my throat, which I was
not expecting this morning, so

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bear with me.
Kermit out of there?

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Yes, Kermit out of there.
Yeah, I don't know what's going

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on.
It's I guess maybe not used to

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talking this early in the
morning.

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I definitely did not do the 5:00
AM club thing on my vacation.

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I took a break from that and
enjoyed some rest and

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relaxation.
I mean, I think I probably slept

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in.
The latest I probably slept in

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was eight, 9:00 in the morning,
which, you know, that's an extra

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3-4 hours for me.
So I was very appreciative of

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the break.
And before I go any further, I

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want to take a moment to express
some deep gratitude.

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First, I want to say a huge
thank you to Dr. Fey, to

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producer Ashley Feller and Sid
Meadows.

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Not just for really holding
everything down in front of the

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mic, but for everything you guys
did behind the scenes while I

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was away.
Your leadership, your

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consistency, your heart for this
community kept things running

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smoothly while I was away, and I
am so grateful for that.

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And I also want to thank the
amazing people who stepped up

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and LED powerful discussions and
also helped behind the scenes

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over the past couple of weeks.
Again, Sid Meadows, definitely

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one of those people.
Jonathan Howard, Matt Bliss,

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Dominic Lawson, who carved out
time in the middle of launching

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his new show, Mental Health
Rewritten, Dan Moore, Heidi,

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Alex Baelish.
All of you, thank you.

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Each of you brought brought your
own voice and energy to this

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space, and you helped to make
sure our community kept showing

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up.
It was a total pleasure.

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Yeah, you help them keep
learning.

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You help grow together.
Thank you all really, truly for

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showing what community looks
like in action.

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You all helped prove what the
power of building community does

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for a podcast over these last
couple of weeks.

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So today I want to unpack that a
little bit more.

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I want to get into what does it
really mean to build a community

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around your podcast or your
content, not just racking up

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listeners or followers.
How can we tell if we've created

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something people feel connected
to?

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And these past two weeks was
certainly a way I can tell that

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I've created something that
people can actually feel

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connected to.
So we'll get into that in a few.

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1st, I'm happy to share about my
time away if anyone has any

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questions.
So I will open the floor to that

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'cause I don't want to just blow
by a two week vacation and not

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share at all about it.
I do have questions.

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OK, OK, OK.
So the the first thing is, what

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was your most unexpected moment
that you had?

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I think it was my love for the
city of Madrid.

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And I say that because I'm not
one that loves exploring cities.

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And I know to some people that
might seem crazy, but I'm just

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not a city guy.
I get overwhelmed when I'm in a

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big city.
And Madrid was definitely a a

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sizable city.
But what I found was I know I

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wrote something down here about
that actually, so I'm going to

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look at my notes here.
Well, for one, it just felt so

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welcoming there.
The people were really friendly.

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It was really easy to get
around.

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It was clean, it was modern, It
felt very safe and the food

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options were just out of this
world unbelievable.

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I I mean, everywhere you turn,
you could walk into a place and

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eat some of the most delicious
food.

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And I'm, I love tapas.
I love eating that way.

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We get more small portions and
everybody gets to share it.

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I love that kind of eating.
And man, was it good eating.

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I'm a little tired of seafood, I
got to say, because that's a big

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yeah, and especially in Lisbon.
Paella.

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Well, the paella, that was
probably the most fun I had in

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Madrid.
We, if you guys followed at all

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on social media, my stories, my
stepson is in Madrid or he was,

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he's back now in the States, but
he was studying there.

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So we had him as a tour guide
really, which made exploring the

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city so much more fun.
But what?

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Was he studying Mark?
Well, he's studying business,

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but a lot of these colleges and
universities now have these

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study abroad programs.
And he'll tell you, he'll tell

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you it's kind of a cakewalk the
semester they they really make

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it pretty simple.
And he got to explore, I forget

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what it was 3 or 4 dozen
different cities in Europe on

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the weekends and what have you.
So he had a blast, but one of

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the things he did was he set us
up for a class, a paella making

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class, and he's done it at this
point now.

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I think it was his third or
fourth time doing it.

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Anybody who comes to visit, he
was taking them to these

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classes.
It was a group of probably 15 of

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us people from all different
countries, a few from the USA,

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few from Germany and elsewhere.
It was just so fun to mingle

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with all these people and learn
some culture while we were there

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and how to make some of their
most prized foods.

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Those paellas is they're a big
thing there.

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And this was this chef who
hosted this.

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He was a pretty popular chef,
had a really popular restaurant

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in Madrid and ended up having to
shut it down during or right

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after COVID.
And he then found this

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opportunity and he teaches these
classes.

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I think it was something like 15
of them a week.

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He just has a blast doing it,
you can tell.

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And it was great.
Also, we got to make sangrias

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while we were we were doing this
class that was bottomless

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sangria.
So by the end you're definitely

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having a great time with maybe a
little help with the alcohol

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too.
But it was one of the most

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delicious dishes we had the
whole time we were there.

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So that that was a great
experience.

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And like I said, Madrid
definitely surprised me, being

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really one of the favorite
cities I've ever been to.

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Awesome.
Yeah, I saw Ashley's hand up.

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Hey, Ashley, look at Dr. Still
taking control of the show.

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I love it.
Good, Ashley.

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Good morning.
Hey, good morning.

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You kind of already answered my
question.

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I was going to ask what was the
best thing you ate on your

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travels and I guess I have
another question.

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How many photos do you think you
took?

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Oh, man, IA lot.
I don't even know.

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I have to go back and look, but
definitely a lot of photos,

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especially between the two of
us, Amy and I, we yeah, we

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captured a lot of it.
And I think my favorite photos

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was, you know what, actually
right before I joined you guys

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last week and shared a little
bit and I was telling you I was

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about to get on a boat and that
boat took us to this area called

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the Bengal Cave or Caves.
And it's apparently the most

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iconic sea cave that
specifically the Bengal cave in

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Algarve, which is in Portugal
and it's located near the

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village of Bengal.
And it's known for these massive

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Dome like shaped caves and also
these cliffs that go just border

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along the whole coastline of
this particular area.

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And it's really one of the most
beautiful sights I've seen, not

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just in that area, but just in
general.

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And there's the specific one,
this Bengal cave, it's there.

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When you go into this Dome cave,
you see there's this big circle

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at the top, and it's just this
big open area that lets light

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in.
It's actually the tour guide was

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telling us it's the infamous
screensaver for those that use

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Windows 10 or have used Windows
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Apparently that's one of the
default screensavers is this

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particular cave and it's just
breathtaking to go.

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It's one of those things that I
could sit here and try to

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describe it to you, but you
can't really take it in until

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you actually see it.
It's only accessible by the

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ocean.
There's three ways you can do

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it.
You can use a kayak and go

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through this cave and many of
the other caves with the kayak

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or a stand up paddle board.
We took the boat tour, which the

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only downside of that is you
don't really get to go through a

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lot of the caves except that
one, the Bengal cave in

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particular.
But yeah, it was a awesome

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experience and a great way to
connect with nature.

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We just, we loved it.
Again, I want to say thank you

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all for allowing me to do that.
I think, by the way, I should

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say one of the best parts of
this vacation was it was almost

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entirely paid for, not by me,
not by my wife.

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We had an excessive amount of
points with hotels, air miles

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with airlines, and the whole
thing probably cost us well

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under $1000 to do this whole 2
week trip, which was mind

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blowing and so grateful that we
were able to make it work that

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way because it could have been a
very, very expensive trip.

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And by the way, that cost didn't
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everything else as far as where
we stayed, everything was pretty

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much covered.
So really grateful for that and

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certainly would have been very
reflective when it comes to

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being able to do this.
And, you know, taking two weeks

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off and and make if the
alternative was to not have the

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show at all.
And the fact that you all took

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the reins really meant the world
to me.

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And so I want to start with this
question for you all.

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When it comes to what you all
did, I'm curious if we could

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reflect what was it like hosting
the show while I was away?

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What did you learn through this
process?

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And I think maybe Dr. And
Ashley, you're probably the best

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people to start with since I
know you guys were really

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leading the charge for the most
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So yeah, what was it like and
what did you learn, Dr. Well,

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the hardest part for me was
checking the chat, making sure I

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saw the hands go up, keeping an
eye on our inter message system

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that we have going, also the
rundown, keeping an eye on that

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at the same time and just that
to keep all of those balls in

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the air.
That was the hardest part for

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me.
And certainly I have a new

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appreciation for you.
Your I'll tell you what your

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transitions from like when
someone says something and you

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know you have to call on someone
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Your transitions are so
effortless and so good.

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And I try, I tried to channel
you, but it's just I felt like I

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was giving people the bums rush
and I just I it that upset me.

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Oh God, I don't know.
I don't know.

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I appreciate that I don't know
what to call it, but that that

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what do you call it?
I guess that you notice how

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challenging that can be.
And you know, I've often said

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it, I don't, I don't engage with
the chat, the live chat very

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often because it's too difficult
for me to juggle all those

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balls.
I have to decide which ones to

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put down and let you all
control.

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But yeah, I, I know that there's
a lot and I'm glad that you guys

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also had each other, you know,
all of you to support one

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another.
I know there were a lot of

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things going on, including I
know sometimes Ashley was

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running sounds and the music and
clips.

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And I think Dan was doing.
That too.

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And yeah.
Friday was a shit show.

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I'm sure that Ashley would be
more than happy to tell you what

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was going on.
Yeah, I know.

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I know you guys had a had a hard
time on Friday and I know at

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least I was happy to still be
somewhat behind the scenes and

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follow you guys in the private
chats that was going on.

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And I know one of the big
things, especially with UDR, at

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least initially, was making sure
that we fill the entire hour.

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And I know I probably sounded
like a broken record after a

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while.
Just reminding everyone, there's

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no rule.
There are no rules here.

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It's your show, especially while
I'm gone.

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And if the show doesn't go an
hour, that's fine.

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If it goes 30 minutes and then
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kind of running out of
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There's no, nothing's going to

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show, I'll say, I'll say to you,
you know, I'm going to give you

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guys 5 minutes back of your time
if we're ending 5 minutes early

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because, yeah, sometimes the
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and there's no reason to push
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And I know that was a little bit
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you guys.
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out.
Let's see anyone else.

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What, what have, what have you
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You know, let let me.
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OK.
I'll go to Ashley.

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And then I was going to go to
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hosted a room as well, and I
wanted to hear what he learned

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hosting a room here in the
podcasting morning chat

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specifically.
But first, let me go to Ashley.

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Good morning, Ashley.
Good morning.

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I learned to take a lot more
deep breaths.

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I had it.
It went really well.

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While you're on vacation, I'm
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helped record a lot of the shows
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music.
And it, it taught me to be a

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little more patient with myself
because there were a few more

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things to do than what normally
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For example, almost every day
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TLC because it's, it's pretty
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the speaker is on one end, then
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end.
So just just a lot more patience

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than usual.
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And Jonathan, you hosted a room
and I'm curious how you felt it

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went and if there was anything
you learned from doing that.

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Would you do anything
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Good morning to you and thank
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was gone.
Good morning, good morning.

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And I will tell you that anybody
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was pretty much cakewalk because
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figured out in the back end,
didn't have to worry about

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anything, just kind of do your
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So I was very lucky.
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I mean, every night we were
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and what we needed to expect.
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I want to cut you off real quick
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Dr. and Ashley were doing as far
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rundown and outline of the show
the next day, that's more than I

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do.
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little insecure, like, oh, crap,
maybe I should be doing that for

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everybody as well.
So yeah, that I was really

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appreciative to see that kind of
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gone.
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Go ahead, Jonathan.
I did run a show on having a

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signature style for your
podcast, which is actually the

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first time I ran that entire
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to put together for podcasting.
So I learned a lot about, you

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know, what worked, what didn't
work, and what I'm going to do

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differently and what other
things I might need to make it

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be a little bit clearer.
So I'm glad that I got to do

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that, but I think people also
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happy with that.
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I'm glad that.
And that's really cool that you

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got to test something out like
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And I want to encourage
everybody, not just the leaders

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here on this stage, anybody
who's a part of our community,

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if there's ever a time that you
would like to test the waters

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and lead a discussion in the
morning, this is your show too.

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And I'm happy to take the back
seat or maybe the passenger seat

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next to you, the copilot seat if
you will, and allow you to do

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this.
Those kinds of things we want to

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learn about you just as much as
we want to learn about the

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content that we share with that
we put out there for our

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community.
And if you've got something that

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you think is valuable to provide
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So reach out to me at any time
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it through and figure it out.
I would love to do that more

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often.
And by the way, I think Nick,

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you I know were here and there.
I think you were pretty busy

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while I was away.
So yeah, where were you?

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What was going on with you while
I was away?

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Hey, good morning.
Welcome back.

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Thanks.
Yeah, this the like the last

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probably 3 weeks have just been
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Like doing the move.
We last night brought the last

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load from the old house to the
new house and close on all that

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this morning or going to be
closing on all that this

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morning.
But just dealing with getting

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things like, you know, like we
just got Internet on Friday.

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We've been in the house the
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And that was a whole, that was a
whole deal.

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That was a big snafu.
I was not happy.

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of the house.
I felt like I've been running

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1,000,000 miles a minute.
So yeah, I was, I was in and out

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of this room quite a bit between
dealing with all that stuff.

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But we're finally, we have
Internet, we have everything at

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the house.
I think we have the other

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closing today and then we're
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Then we can really starting
packing everything.

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Yeah, yeah, I, I know the
feeling, my man.

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I know the feeling.
There is a lot of moving parts

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there and I'm glad you were able
to show up when you could.

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Thank you for showing up when
you could and congratulations.

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It's very cool that you guys are
closing today and very cool that

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you guys were able to get so
much done and be in that house

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before the closing, because
that's generally not how it

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works.
So very cool that you guys were

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able to do that.
So we actually, we closed on the

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House that we moved into earlier
in the month.

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So we were able to start getting
stuff moved over.

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But then the house that we sold,
we're closing on that 1 today.

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Got it.
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That we ended up, we had a
mover, we had some guy that

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brought a massive truck to help
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And even after all of that, it
was like we had so much big

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things that we needed to move
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So it's been like a I've never
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to the new house.
It was always leave work and go

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to the old house to grab stuff.
And now today's going to be the

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first day I can just go straight
home, which feels kind of good.

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Yeah, that's awesome.
Congratulations.

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That's very cool.
Thank you.

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And glad to see the whole gang
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All right, so anyone else just
if there's anything, what did

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you notice as far as when I was
gone and you all were leading

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the charge?
Anything you learned?

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Anything you noticed?
Now's the chance or else we can

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move into more about this idea
of community because I think

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it's very appropriate that we
talk about building community

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when we see what what's possible
with this very community, what

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we're able to accomplish.
Anyone else have anything?

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If not, I will move on.
OK, I'm going to move on then.

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So let's talk about it.
Let's first, is there any

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podcast that besides this show?
I know it's it's such the easy

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answer to say this show.
Is there any podcast that you

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listen to, watch, consume
regularly that you think has

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done a really good job of
building community over

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audience?
That you can tell that the

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community is a big part of what
that podcaster does?

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I'm curious if there's something
that you could share, an example

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someone could share of a podcast
that does this really well.

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I was going to say that our
guest on Friday, Thursday,

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Friday, Wednesday, I don't know
what day Amanda Yoa has a has

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done a really good job building
out a community of people, you

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know that listen to a podcast
and call in and she runs rooms

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over on the other app with that
community as well.

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So yeah, she's done a really
good job kind of building out

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that community.
Yeah, I really enjoyed that

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episode with Amanda and you all
talking about adding humor to

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your podcast.
And yes, I've seen what she's

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been doing too with with her
community and building up a

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community like that.
I think that's awesome.

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Jonathan, is there something
specific you think that she does

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well in that regard?
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Amanda, she's just so relatable.
She has just a connection that's

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natural with her, her audience,
with her people on social media,

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even with her character that she
plays.

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It's just a natural connection
that I think people feel with

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her.
So when you have that, it makes

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it a little bit easier, but it's
still work.

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Yeah, absolutely.
Is.

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I think an example for me is
somebody I see that does it

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really well is Alex Sanfilippo
and you know, pod matches his

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brand and his podcast Podcasting
Made Simple.

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He's really built quite a
community around everything that

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he does.
And I think the way that I see

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he does it is he does, I think
it's something similar that I

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do.
He really connects with people

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individually that are a part of
his community, a part of his

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brand.
He, he makes it personal.

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If they've posted something,
he'll comment on it.

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You know, if they post a new
episode or if they post

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something really valuable for
the independent podcaster, he's

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he'll respond to it.
He'll give you your kudos.

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I there's something.
And if they're in, if they're

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having a personal crisis, he's
one of those people that will

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reach out to that person and
privately and connect with him.

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I know this about him because
he's done that with me and I've

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had others tell me he does that
with them.

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I think making things personal
with your community and really

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connecting with people on an
individual level, I think that's

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a huge component to building a
community over building an

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audience.
And Dr., Did you have an example

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you were going to share?
Well, the only one that I can

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think of is Ask the podcast
coach with Dave Jackson.

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You know, on Saturdays he runs a
live YouTube show that's about

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an hour and a half to two hours
long.

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People ask questions that it's
very much like what we do here.

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And even he has.
I would not have said that

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unless I heard him say that
first and when he was talking

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about our show.
And that's the only other show

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Flash community that I can
actually think of.

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Yeah, and of course the often
mentioned Pat Flynn I think is

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another example as well.
I think Pat Flynn does an

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amazing job building community
over audience.

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So yeah, check out what he does
with his communities if you're

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interested in that.
And then I saw that Alex has

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something, and so does Ashley.
Let me go to Alex first.

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Good morning, Alex.
Yeah, I got a couple.

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One is from this group called
Bigger Pockets.

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It's about buying and selling
and renting houses.

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They've got several podcasts,
they've got a couple of books

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and and they're really about the
community, depending on what

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level of investing you're in.
And I, I have, I have to say

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this year or actually in the
past year, the WNBA podcast.

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I know James stopped doing his,
but there's been a ton of

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podcasts out there.
Adrian Ross show been Ben

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Daniels podcast.
You know, they're really kind of

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embracing, you would think, you
know, sport is only, you know,

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6-6 months long.
They're talking about it all

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year round.
And you know, they're doing

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memberships, they're doing all
sorts of stuff as well.

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So there is a lot and it's
pretty amazing how they're

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continuing to produce content
all year round and and also just

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engage with their their fans or
listeners.

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Yeah, yeah.
I think that's such a key is

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that engagement with the
listeners and really knowing,

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getting to know not just your
audience as a whole, but like I

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was saying earlier, getting to
know people individually.

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I think there's something so it
makes that listener on the other

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side feel seen, feel heard, feel
special in some way when when

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that host that they're going to
and listening to on a regular

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basis, actually showing that
they care.

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I'm certainly not, pardon me,
I'm certainly not suggesting you

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00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,880
fake it, right?
But if there's somebody in your

452
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:21,440
community that you see or hear
could use a little support as a

453
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,520
host, if you reach out and and
show that support, that genuine

454
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,480
support, it goes a long way.
Just, you know, again, it's not,

455
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,200
it's I'm not, I don't want you
to fake it, but I think it's

456
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,800
really important to connect with
people on that human level.

457
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,720
But Mark, sometimes it goes the
other way.

458
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,360
What I mean by that is, you
know, a lot of us feel like

459
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,440
we're in a bubble when we
podcast.

460
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,400
So we don't know what's going on
with the listeners.

461
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,240
You know, we don't even know
anybody's listening.

462
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,000
And yet you see these numbers
and you're like, OK, I have 100

463
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,560
people that listen or 20 people
that listen, but who are these

464
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,520
people really?
And what's really kind of

465
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,440
fascinating is when they
actually kind of reach out to

466
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:08,680
you and, and say something to
you about your podcast, how it's

467
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,520
affected them.
I mean, as a podcast right now,

468
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,680
you've had this, everybody
probably said this in the room.

469
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000
It's pretty amazing.
Like, Oh my gosh, they listen to

470
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,560
my little podcast.
And I think that that's that's

471
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,040
where I think the beginning of
it, it starts at least for for

472
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,640
us, when we started doing our
podcast for what it's from,

473
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,640
like, wow, we actually are
impacting people and has nothing

474
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,320
to do with the show in the sense
of it wasn't just about the

475
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,560
show, it was about more.
And I think that that's where

476
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,680
the good stuff starts.
So I think it can work both ways

477
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,280
from the.
I'm with you, Alex.

478
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,840
I think that's such an important
point and I appreciate you bring

479
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,960
it up, bringing it up because
it's reminding me when you said,

480
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,920
especially when you said like
100 listeners, 20 listeners.

481
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,440
I know a lot of podcasters will
will come to me if that's the

482
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,640
size of their audience and say,
yeah, all this engagement talk

483
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,080
is great.
But I don't hear from those 20

484
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,360
people, those 25 people, how do
I get them to connect to?

485
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,880
How do I get them to reach out
to me?

486
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,520
And there are so many strategies
out there about how to create

487
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,800
engagement, right?
And I think sometimes we try

488
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,560
those tools, those tips, and
they fall short, right?

489
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,680
Well, you know, OK, I'm doing
this thing.

490
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,440
I'm asking a question, but
nobody's answering the question.

491
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,720
I think one of the best ways
that's often not talked about in

492
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,920
this way to get people to
connect with you, to reach out

493
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,760
to you, to start building those
individual relationships is by

494
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,520
sharing your own struggles, your
own challenges, things that you

495
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,880
are going through as a person.
If you are, if you share that,

496
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,960
what I'd find is that I hear
from people, people start to

497
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,160
reach out to me.
Mark, I heard you talking about

498
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:11,400
X and I want you to know that
I've been through that and I'm

499
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,080
sometimes it's the response is
as simple as I'm here if you

500
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,200
ever want to talk about it,
right, the doors open up went

501
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,840
because you've provided that
community so much value that

502
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,520
when you start to talk about
something that you're challenged

503
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:33,040
with that community's ears perk
up, especially if they've been

504
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,760
through it too.
And then they want to pay you

505
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,000
back and give you value after
you've been providing so much

506
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,200
value.
It honestly I think is probably

507
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,000
the easiest way to get an
audience to start engaging with

508
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,360
you.
And then when they do that, then

509
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,240
you can share and you can
connect with them on that, that

510
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,280
deeper in that deeper way.
And that's where the

511
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,840
relationships start.
I will say, I know you want to

512
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,360
go to Jeff real quick.
The one of the things that I've

513
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,000
seen that's had the most growth
when it comes to that is it

514
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,200
happened with Chris and Amanda.
It happened with us and it's

515
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,360
happening with those people that
I was talking about the WNBA

516
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,640
people is doing lives.
I got to tell you, you talk

517
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,160
about getting great engagement
and how to do a jump start for

518
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:30,000
your podcast in terms of people
want to, you know, keep wanting

519
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,160
to listen because that's what
it's all about.

520
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,920
It's your personality.
You can interact with the actual

521
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,760
host, you can interact with the
actual listeners.

522
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,120
I'm not saying it's for
everyone.

523
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,800
I I'm not saying that it is for
everyone, but I will say you

524
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,160
look at what Chris and Amanda do
and it's pretty amazing.

525
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,240
I mean, they've got their
regulars and then people can

526
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,520
kind of come back and then they
supplement it with other content

527
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,160
that is pre recorded.
So maybe they don't, but a lot

528
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,800
of people might do supplemental
pre recorded content like a

529
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,400
traditional podcast and it can,
it can really kind of build.

530
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,560
So just food for thought.
Yeah, absolutely.

531
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,680
And I think when it can work
really well is when you start

532
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,240
making those individual
connections with your community

533
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,880
and then you start doing lives.
You can reach out to those

534
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,440
individuals and say, hey, I'm
going to be doing this live.

535
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,880
I I don't want to do it by
myself.

536
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,800
Are you free?
If I do it on this day at this

537
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,480
time, I, I do that all the time.
I will reach out to people

538
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,560
individually or maybe as a small
group that I know support me

539
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,280
here in the morning.
I'll reach out if I'm doing

540
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,440
something else, something
different and I'll ask them.

541
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,000
I, I'll make it personal.
Yes, I'll put it in things like

542
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,600
my newsletter.
I might put, you know, an, an,

543
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,040
an announcement.
I'm going to be going live on

544
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,200
whatever Instagram Tiktok on
this day and time.

545
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,960
And that might bring in some
people.

546
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,760
But I think when when you have
the individual connections and

547
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,720
you reach out and ask, people
respond and they will show up if

548
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,800
if they're free.
And at that day and time, I

549
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,760
think that's so important.
Before I go to Jeff, I did

550
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,400
mention I was going to go to
Ashley.

551
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,360
So Ashley, did you want to add
on to this?

552
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,160
Yeah.
I just wanted to add that I

553
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,000
think an example of a podcaster
who's really leaned in into form

554
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,360
a community is Steve Stewart.
You know, he's got the

555
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,440
podcasters editor's Academy, the
podcast, and then the whole

556
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,760
Facebook group and then the
whole mastermind.

557
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,840
And when you you know, he he's
one of the first people you meet

558
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,560
at podcast if you go exploring
the hallways.

559
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,520
And he's always very friendly.
And one of the first questions

560
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,280
he'll ask you is So what
software do you use to edit your

561
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,280
podcast?
And that always kicks off a

562
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,960
great discussion.
So I'd say Steve Stewart.

563
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,040
Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree.
Yes, he is built quite a

564
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,720
community and he, you know,
similarly to what we did here

565
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,920
over the past two weeks, he does
that sometimes with his booths

566
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,160
at these trade shows.
He has his his editing

567
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,840
community.
And if he can't man the booth

568
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,600
the whole time, people volunteer
to man that booth for him.

569
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,199
And again, that's the power of
community is you don't have to

570
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,320
do it alone.
And the more that you bring in

571
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,840
more people to help, the more it
starts to grow and it becomes

572
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,760
something special and not just
another podcast.

573
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,480
So I'm with you there, Ashley.
He he does a great job.

574
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Jeff, good morning.
Welcome to the stage.

575
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,239
What did you want to add to
this?

576
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,480
Good morning.
A couple of things.

577
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,880
We're kind of talking around it.
You know, when we we talk about

578
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,719
what we can do that would
encourage people to feel

579
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,440
comfortable to reaching out to
us, doing lives so that they

580
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,800
might reach out to us.
And I think the thing we have to

581
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,880
remember is that most of the
people that are listening are

582
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,679
listening because they think of
themselves as listeners and

583
00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:00,320
they're never going to
automatically feel like they're

584
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,760
on the same level we are as
leaders, speakers, whichever.

585
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,640
I know that everybody in here
has heard me talk about Maddie

586
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,720
True, my artist that I work
with.

587
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:17,360
And when I first met her, yes,
she did come up to me and talk

588
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,680
to me, but I had to follow up
with her directly.

589
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,760
Like what you just said, Mark,
you know, reaching out to people

590
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,840
because I had to recognize that
when she Googles me, she's going

591
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,680
to see my resume.
She's going to see that I've

592
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,680
done this and I've done that and
I've got a podcast and I've got

593
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,520
this and she's very likely going
to get intimidated and she's

594
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,440
going to think I was being nice
when I said, give me a call and,

595
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,000
and we can collaborate.
And so I reached out to her and

596
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,400
said, no, I, when I said, if you
want to get together and have

597
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,600
coffee, I meant it.
And I've done that a lot with

598
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,680
people.
And I think that in the context

599
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,680
of what we're talking about, if
you find that you've only got 20

600
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,360
people listening, but you have a
way to reach out to one of those

601
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,400
20 people.
But then you take that the

602
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,760
experience or the whatever you
do with that one person and

603
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:14,440
engage them and repurpose that
into your content, then it lets

604
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,600
the other 19 people know, oh
wow, the person that that's

605
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,480
that, did that sound bite with
him?

606
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,080
They're like me.
That's that's not him saying, I

607
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,560
promise I'll be nice if you
reach out to me.

608
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,520
They have an example of when it
it really did include somebody

609
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,960
like them.
And that provides a little say,

610
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,240
for example, of, oh, I can't
engage because I saw somebody

611
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,760
else engage and they're one of
my peers.

612
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,880
So I think that can maybe warm
up the door handle for some

613
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,160
folks.
Yeah, it's the difference

614
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,280
between talking the talk and
walking the walk.

615
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,400
You can sit there and say all
the time, you know, please reach

616
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,200
out to me and I'll do this that
and the other thing when, if and

617
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,200
when you do that, it's another
thing to actually show the

618
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:06,120
example show in real time you
connecting with somebody who's a

619
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,920
part of that community that
they're that makes the biggest

620
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,920
impact, I think, out of any of
these strategies.

621
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,040
Yeah, show what you're doing,
bring people into the community,

622
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,720
into the podcast and put that
out there for the rest to see.

623
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,120
And like you said, start to
relate.

624
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,760
Like, yeah, that's me or that
could be me.

625
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,280
And now that helps the the
wheels turn for them to reach

626
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,440
out to you with whatever their
questions are, with whatever

627
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,400
they want to discuss with you
and your community.

628
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,920
I think that's so important,
Jeff.

629
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,520
Thank you.
And Jonathan, you wanted to add

630
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,840
to that.
I just wanted to say, I think,

631
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,760
you know, Mark, you're a great
example if you've done that work

632
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,360
and it's starting to pay off
because you've got, I mean, just

633
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,080
look down in the audience right
now.

634
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,080
And I think each and every one
of these people at some point

635
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,040
has come up and contributed to
the show and been a part of the

636
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,480
show and asked really good
questions that have gotten us on

637
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,960
good discussions.
So I think you you're starting

638
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,360
to see the fruit of your
laborers now, and that's really

639
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,080
awesome because you know, you've
done a lot of work in this

640
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,560
community, but the community is
now turning out for you even

641
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,960
when you're not here.
Absolutely.

642
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,600
Thank you for that.
I appreciate that.

643
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,520
And you're right, I'm looking at
at the people in the audience

644
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,160
right now and I'm, I think
pretty much everybody in the

645
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,080
audience has been up on this
stage and contributed a ton of

646
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,560
value to this community.
Such a great point.

647
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,760
I appreciate that Jonathan, and
I appreciate all of you people

648
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,600
who show up here all the time
when even if you're not up on

649
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,920
stage contributing, you're doing
it in the chat or your, your

650
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,880
presence is your contribution.
And I, I accept that just as

651
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,360
much as those other ways we just
described.

652
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,200
So thank you.
I, I do appreciate that.

653
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,560
And somebody newer to our
community and has been really

654
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,440
contributing quite often lately
is Janae, who is on stage with

655
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,280
us right now.
Janae, did you want to add to

656
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,600
this conversation?
Good morning.

657
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:03,280
Good morning.
Good morning.

658
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,760
Welcome back, Mark.
It's been amazing watching this

659
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,640
community and being part of the
community.

660
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,960
And this is something that I've
been missing for a few years,

661
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,320
being part of the community.
What do I mean?

662
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,040
Well, I am part of the larger
podcasting community.

663
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,840
And back in 2019, I joined
another community.

664
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,440
And you probably have no Heather
parody.

665
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,560
She had a community called
Unconventional Leaders and

666
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,520
Facebook and the pandemic, we
would come together every single

667
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,920
day and have, you know, hour
long Zoom call.

668
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,360
So this is just around time
Clubhouse was just coming alive

669
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,400
and that community really helped
me to come out of my shell.

670
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,360
They're like, hey, you can be
who you want to be.

671
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:51,920
And I think that's the power of
communities when they invite you

672
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,120
and they show you that you are
all that you need to be, you are

673
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,880
enough to, you know, lead the
way to do what you want to do.

674
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,720
So that's been really amazing to
be part of a community.

675
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,560
So I see that happening here.
I see so many people here that

676
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,000
are amazing.
They're building their smaller

677
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,640
communities and I just love all
of that.

678
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,200
And if you think about it right,
these large entrepreneurs or

679
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,760
large celebrities, they started
small.

680
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,760
They started to.
Contributing and the the most

681
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,560
recent example that I can point
to is Pat Flynn's the deep

682
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,520
pocket monster entire his
entering back into the the

683
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Pokémon community.
I've seen his live stream when

684
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,760
he's doing on Deep Pocket
Monster, and there's like 2000

685
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,440
people watching that thing.
Yeah.

686
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,240
It's kind of crazy how he
entered that community, he

687
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,120
became part of it, and then he's
like, hey, here's what I'm

688
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,080
doing.
And they all showed up.

689
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,640
So inviting people, being part
of other people's communities

690
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,680
and then having that courage to
even go out there.

691
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,880
So thank you.
I love this talk.

692
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,040
Thank you.
And that's such a great point.

693
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,400
I mean, being a part of other
communities and engaging with

694
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,760
those communities, building
relationships with people within

695
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,360
those communities, I think that
does a lot for you.

696
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,320
And you're the one that you're
trying to build because now

697
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,160
you've got people that you can
reach out to and ask for

698
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,320
support.
That's a big thing.

699
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,320
And I know I talked about it a
few minutes ago, but really

700
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,000
connecting with people and
reaching out then and not being

701
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,520
afraid to ask them to come
support you.

702
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,160
I think there are so many
podcasters out there that feel

703
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,440
like, you know, they can't ask
and they feel weird about asking

704
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,600
for support.
They want it to just magically

705
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,720
happen.
And I think it's it that just

706
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,120
doesn't work.
It's not a formula that works

707
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,240
well.
I think you've got to connect

708
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:52,280
with people, and Janae does a
great job also, and I want to

709
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,880
point this out because it's
something I think I need to do a

710
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,200
little more of myself to
continue to build what we're

711
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,600
doing here.
I see Janae on social media

712
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,640
sometimes posting things
unrelated to what he does in the

713
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,120
podcasting space.
You know, like one of his most

714
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,400
recent posts on all the
different social media platforms

715
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,160
that I've seen him on was
talking about whether or not you

716
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,320
put ketchup on your eggs, right?
And what happens when you do

717
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,640
that?
You create conversation because

718
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,240
they're going to be people who
are completely on board with the

719
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:27,200
idea of putting ketchup on your
eggs.

720
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,360
And then there are going to be
people that are thoroughly

721
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,360
disgusted by that.
And both parties are going to

722
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,680
want to comment on that.
And it, it starts to create a

723
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,240
foundation a, a relationship.
I know that sounds silly maybe

724
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:43,600
to some, and it really does
because now you can start going

725
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,680
back and forth and talking to
them about it.

726
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,160
And then now you now you're
starting to connect with people

727
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,280
and those people.
Then again, when you're looking

728
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,480
for support, you can reach out
to those same people that you

729
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,400
talked about your eggs with and
ask them for that support.

730
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,720
And they're going to be way more
likely to do so.

731
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,800
And that support could be, hey,
would you be open to listening

732
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,520
to my podcast?
That could be the first question

733
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,800
you ask them when you when
you're ready to ask for some

734
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,240
kind of support.
That may be some way or like we

735
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:18,040
were talking about earlier, I'm
going to be doing a live, I

736
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,680
haven't done many before.
I would love to have people

737
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,680
there just to be there to cheer
me on, right?

738
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,680
And it can all stem from just
having random conversations on

739
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,160
social media, as an example.
I love that he does that, and I

740
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,800
want to do more of that, too.
Anyone else want to add

741
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,000
anything?
Yeah, Jeff, go ahead.

742
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,600
I just want to highlight what
you just commented on, just to

743
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,640
make sure that we see this
aspect of it.

744
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,720
When you're talking about the
ketchup on the eggs thing and

745
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:51,640
you're trying to get people to
engage, you're helping them

746
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,240
engage when you give them a
binary choice, do you like it?

747
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,760
Do you like ketchup on your eggs
or do you not?

748
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,480
Because a lot of people are
hesitant to engage because they

749
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,360
think they have to come up with
something really lofty.

750
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,240
They have to come up with an
idea from scratch.

751
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,200
And, and if you, if you make it
easy by giving them a this or

752
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,840
that, then all they have to do
is decide between the two.

753
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,640
And once once they've done that,
they kind of naturally expand on

754
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,480
it.
So, so giving somebody a this or

755
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,320
that, do you like this song
versus that song is much easier

756
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,640
to comment on then what is your
favorite song?

757
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,160
And that kind of warms up
everybody and gives them a way

758
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,640
in that they can then get
comfortable with and contribute

759
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,480
more later.
Absolutely.

760
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,920
I know I've been caught in that
trap myself on the other side of

761
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,440
it where I see a question and it
caught my attention, but then I

762
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,000
felt like I had to come up with
something really insightful or

763
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,280
really outside the box.
And then I don't comment at all.

764
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,440
But when I have an option to
choose from, it's much easier

765
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,560
for me to comment and then give
a little bit more, give my

766
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,840
opinion.
Like in this case, yeah, I used

767
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,720
to do ketchup on my eggs all the
time.

768
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,720
I I've kind of started to steer
away from it, not because I

769
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:12,680
don't like it.
I've just now, I'm now hot sauce

770
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,680
is my thing on my eggs and I I
just enjoy it more than ketchup.

771
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,000
Would I still eat ketchup on my
eggs?

772
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,680
Sure.
But yeah, having a this or that,

773
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:27,320
having an option, and that seems
to help create more engagement.

774
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,320
People are more open to sharing
if they can just pick between

775
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,760
one thing or the other and
you'll start to see those

776
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,400
opinions coming out.
They're not generally.

777
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,840
They don't just say yes or no to
eggs on your ketchup on your

778
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,960
eggs.
They'll say yes and they'll

779
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,640
share passionately.
Why?

780
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,840
Especially if they see others
saying, EW, that's disgusting.

781
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,440
No way.
Well, they're going to want to

782
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,760
get in there and defend their
their side of things.

783
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Yeah, Alex, go ahead.
I was going to say that's an old

784
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,680
sales booking technique, you
know, just having two options

785
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,040
and if you ever trying to book a
client or whatever else, you

786
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,400
give them two times, you give
them two days or two times

787
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,440
morning, afternoon and then two
different times.

788
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:13,320
And it's just like you said,
it's just easier and it can,

789
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,840
people don't want to think at
the end of the day, they just

790
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,480
don't want to think.
They just want to do, I will

791
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,200
say, you know, about community
when it comes to this stuff, I

792
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,720
really would say if you're
trying to break that wall with

793
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:31,360
your people and you are getting
a lot of, you know, engagement

794
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,080
doing lives, that's where you
can, they can see your

795
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,280
personality and they can, and
they can maybe feel like they're

796
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,080
a little bit more comfortable,
like Jeff said, you know, to

797
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,400
approach you because it's not in
a formal setting.

798
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,920
I just think that that could
really work.

799
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,200
Yeah, I think it could too.
I appreciate that, Alex.

800
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,800
Yeah, it's so important.
I think I'm trying to think here

801
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,640
because we only have a few
minutes left.

802
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,120
I'm trying to think of the best
way to wrap this up.

803
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,320
I think maybe maybe it's this.
I'll ask this question.

804
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,960
What kind of leader does your
community need you to be?

805
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,120
And are you willing to become
that?

806
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,960
How can you be A, and I'll maybe
rephrase it a little bit too,

807
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,160
and just say, what can you, what
else could you do as a leader to

808
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,240
really make your, an audience
start to feel like a community?

809
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,960
We've shared some ways and I
wanted to see if there's any

810
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,720
other way that somebody feels
like they can really make that

811
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:33,160
difference for their audience.
How can an audience feel like,

812
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,000
yeah, this is more than a
podcast?

813
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,040
I think for any community, one
of the things that you can do is

814
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,160
listen a whole lot more.
It's not necessarily your job to

815
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,880
say everything.
You have a community of people

816
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,400
that will say things, but it's
your job to listen to what's

817
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,000
being said so that you can have
the value of your audience

818
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,680
actually providing input and
feedback for you.

819
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,600
Because there's so many
opportunities there that we're

820
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,520
missing because we don't listen
as well as we should.

821
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,040
So Jonathan, what would you say
to somebody who's like, OK, I'm

822
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,760
willing to listen, but I'm not
hearing my audience share

823
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,360
anything.
What would you say?

824
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,600
You've got to get into the right
places and the right situations,

825
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,360
and that's listening to your
audience speak amongst

826
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,200
themselves, listening to, you
know, what your audience is not

827
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,960
saying in comments, what they're
not saying, and you know, when

828
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,280
they're asking questions, you
know what the elephant in the

829
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,400
room is sometimes.
Like if they're not talking

830
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,000
about a specific topic, it's
because they're struggling with

831
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,600
it.
And maybe that's the thing that

832
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:40,520
you need to be helping them
with.

833
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,640
Yep.
And I think the key, the keyword

834
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,440
here is your target audience in
this case, right.

835
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,360
It's going and observing other
communities that are similar to

836
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,880
to the one you're trying to
build and pay attention to what

837
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,480
conversations they're having or
or in your what you were saying

838
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,080
or not having.
Absolutely.

839
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,320
And the other thing that I'll,
I'll just give this little hint,

840
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,560
the comments section of your
competitors is the best place to

841
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,800
go.
Yeah, go anywhere.

842
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,320
Absolutely, 100%.
And you know, there are, you

843
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,520
know, one of the places I've
learned that works well for me

844
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,120
in, in this scenario that you're
describing are those on

845
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,000
Instagram, those, what do they
call them Jonathan channels

846
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,320
where we, we have our own.
Broadcast channels.

847
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,400
Broadcast channels, yeah, where
we can see what conversations

848
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,240
are happening or what the what
are fellow leaders are talking

849
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,680
about that might be of interest
to our own community that we're

850
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,680
trying to build.
What, what kind of conversations

851
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,800
are the leaders of those
communities or the other

852
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,560
podcasters?
What are they talking about That

853
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,840
may apply to my community and
bringing it there.

854
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,640
Brian, good morning, welcome to
the stage.

855
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,120
Talk about community.
Brian's been a long time

856
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,080
community member of this very
community.

857
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,680
Good to have you here and a
happy belated birthday.

858
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,960
I know you celebrated your
birthday yesterday and what do

859
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,160
you want to add to the
conversation?

860
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,400
Thank you so much, Mark.
Yes, thank you to everyone who

861
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,640
wished me a happy birthday
yesterday.

862
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,280
Well, first, I do miss being
contributing to these

863
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,400
conversations on a consistent
basis.

864
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,240
I've had to work on getting my
time back in the morning before

865
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:28,760
I go to work.
But what I will also say is I

866
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:34,600
think that sometimes it's always
good to go back to your roots.

867
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:40,640
Because I will say, as I've been
reflecting, about two months ago

868
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,880
I reconnected with someone who I
first met six years ago in 2019,

869
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,240
and this was a charity walk that
we were doing at a local mall.

870
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,800
And now this particular person
occasionally will leave a

871
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,920
comment on my live videos on my
YouTube channel.

872
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,760
So sometimes it just takes
making that one good connection.

873
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,480
And then in the case of
LinkedIn, because I expanded my

874
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:17,960
show to LinkedIn, I don't always
get comments on there, but I do

875
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:23,560
see that people, our viewing it
is getting to people's feeds on

876
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,920
there.
So like after I record, it's a

877
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,400
blessing.
So sometimes it's not always

878
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,520
spoken words from people, but
that people are coming and

879
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:37,240
checking it out.
So absolutely, yeah.

880
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:42,240
So that's that's what I say
about audience or community.

881
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,600
I think it's generally community
coming and checking it out.

882
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,960
So thank you so much.
You're welcome, Brian, and thank

883
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,840
you for sharing that.
And I think a great point to

884
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,360
what you're saying is, again,
when we talked about reaching

885
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,640
out and connecting with our
community or future community

886
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,000
when it comes to something like
LinkedIn, if you see people, and

887
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,080
I'm not saying this to you
specifically, Brian, I'm saying

888
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,800
this to anybody, whether it's
LinkedIn, Facebook, or what have

889
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,840
you.
If you see people are liking

890
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,480
your posts, maybe they're not
commenting, but maybe they're

891
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,520
liking the the posts that you're
making about your podcast or

892
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:19,200
about your topic of interest re.
I like to reach out to them

893
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,320
sometimes.
Hey, thank you.

894
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,800
I noticed that you've been quote
UN quote liking my post and I

895
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:25,920
appreciate it.
Thank you.

896
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,880
It means a lot.
It it means that it shows me

897
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,040
that people are seeing what I'm
putting out there and connecting

898
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,000
with it.
Thank you.

899
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,160
And that and that alone can make
all the difference.

900
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,560
Then they they may reply back.
You're welcome.

901
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,480
I really liked how you talked
about this in particular.

902
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,120
That really hit home with me.
Now you've got an A conversation

903
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,640
going and then you can go back
to them.

904
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,840
You know, Brian was pointing out
it's been years since one of the

905
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,920
people that he connected with,
you know, it's been a while and

906
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,360
he reached back out and that
that did something for him and

907
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,480
for what he's trying to build.
And I think this applies here

908
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,520
too.
If somebody's just, if they're

909
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,680
taking the time to hit the like
button and you've started

910
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,840
noticing that they have liked
other posts too, or maybe it's

911
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,200
the first time they've liked it,
reach out and thank them and

912
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,120
maybe ask them a question.
Maybe.

913
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,840
And, and again, try to make it
an either or, you know, instead

914
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,720
of saying, what did you like
about this?

915
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,640
Did you like this or do you
prefer that?

916
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,600
Right?
Make it a little more specific

917
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,440
for them to make it easier for
them to respond to you.

918
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,200
We could go on and on and on.
And we're running.

919
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,240
We've run out of time.
I want to in the near future,

920
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:44,400
I'm going to bring on a guest
who builds communities for I

921
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,280
guess bet, for lack of better
word, for a living.

922
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,400
I want to bring them in so we
can go even deeper on this

923
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,120
conversation.
So stay tuned for that.

924
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,720
A little programming note for
you tomorrow the show will be

925
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:59,840
off.
I am going to be watching my

926
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:05,360
stepdaughter graduate college
getting her nursing degree, so I

927
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,800
didn't want to ask after two
weeks of this community holding

928
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,840
down the Fort, didn't want to
ask everybody to do it again

929
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,880
tomorrow.
So enjoy the day off everybody.

930
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,280
As for the podcast, I'm looking
to put out an episode from one

931
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,920
of my old Minvo pro cast days
and one of my old episodes from

932
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,120
there.
So stay tuned for that.

933
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,280
But we will be back live
Wednesday and then we'll put out

934
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,760
that podcast episode on
Wednesday as well, talking and

935
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,440
covering all the headlines
around the world of podcasting.

936
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,120
And we will be probably back to
normal for the rest of the week.

937
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,040
There may be a travel day in
there as I head back to North

938
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,520
Carolina.
I'll keep you posted.

939
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,080
So no show Tuesday.
We're back Wednesday, 7:00 AM

940
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,280
Eastern.
Looking forward to seeing you

941
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,200
then.
And until then, make it a great

942
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,800
day.
Everybody, take care.