Instagram’s New Algorithm Change Podcasters Can’t Ignore

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Good morning podcasting, Morning
Chat.

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Today is Wednesday, December
17th, 2025, and today it's

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podcast news and comment.
And we'll cover things like why

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add data favors, established
podcasts, how the format wars

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may be ending, and Instagram
testing, something podcasters

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won't ignore.
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Thanks for being here.
Good morning again podcasting,

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morning chat.
Thanks so much for being here.

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I am your host Mark Ronik and
currently on stage with me we

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have producer Ashley Feller,
Jonathan Howard, Nick Nolbach,

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Dr. Faye, Ralph Estep, BC
Babbles and Sid Meadows.

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And as I said today, we are
going to be covering lots of

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different headlines, news
stories around the world of

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podcasting, things that you are
going to be interested as a

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podcaster.
And we're going to also talk

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about other things besides just
podcasting, but things that

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still may be of interest to you,
social media news, AI news,

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things that content creators
don't want to ignore, in my

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opinion.
Also, real quick, just to remind

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you tomorrow, Thursday, December
18th, it's our evaluation

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episode series.
We will be evaluating an indie

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podcast, this one named Shared
Delights, Your True Stories and

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My Funniest Memories.
It's 5 minute episodes, so we

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may, we're going to try to
listen to a couple of them and

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share those, share our feedback
with you.

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So that's tomorrow, Come join
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Links are in the show notes if
you want to hear some of those

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episodes.
And I will tell you, I have been

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working behind the scenes a bit
on some at least I've started my

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research on stingers and
bumpers, things to help move the

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show along, keep it engaging,
help create some separation

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between segments and things that
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I may change up the news.
As you know, that's the the news

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music and I like it.
It's a little long for a quick

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Stinger.
So I'm not necessarily getting a

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getting rid of this music, but I
think maybe it's more of the

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intro to the show to the news
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And then I think if I want to
separate stories or categories

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within our news episode, I may
play Still a little long.

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Just use the lawn owner thing,
Dun Dun.

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That's right.
That's a good one, too.

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Hello, Alex.
Good to have you back here on

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stage.
Yeah.

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So those are.
That's one of the stingers.

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I've also added some things like
a whooshing sound in case that

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we just need a little quick
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It's kind of magical, huh?
And we have more to come later

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in the show.
Ralph has played along with

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these bumpers and stingers.
And Ralph, as you know, has a

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quick news segment, business
news segment during this episode

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we started a week or two ago.
So we will play around with that

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in a moment.
But first, let's officially kick

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off the news today.
Admittedly, I pressed the wrong

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button.
I wanted to play the new

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Stinger.
Let's dive into some podcast

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data to kick things off as we do
every Wednesday, the total

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podcasts that are actually
active that have recently

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published at least one new
episode 640,194 podcasts that's

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right, those that 640,000 plus
has published at least one new

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episode and that is up 4.6% from
the previous week.

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And if we want to talk about the
entire month, third, the past 30

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days of active podcasts, that's
2.4 million have at least

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published one new episode over
the past month and that's up

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13.3%.
So people really putting out

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that content before the holidays
and kudos to them for doing that

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and not slacking off, staying
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Good to see.
And also, I like to share with

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you the number one podcast on
Apple podcast that continues to

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be The Daily by the New York
Times.

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And being that Joe Rogan is
always number one, or at least

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seemingly so on the Spotify top
list, Dr. is going to give us

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the top five on Spotify and then
the special top five list that

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we'll get to after that.
Go ahead, Dr. Good morning

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again.
Hi, good morning, good morning.

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OK, so coming in at #5 is a good
hang with Amy Poehler.

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I did a little bit of
investigation.

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So on the 9th of this month, she
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Dreyfus on and then two days
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So that's why she is now.
She's at #5 OK, Yes.

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She.
Does and they're all really

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really.
Good.

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Yeah.
And the interviews are also

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always always the the ones I see
are always really good.

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Very deep, very good.
So #4 is Crime junkie #3 is the

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Shawn Ryan show #2 is the past
weekend with Theo Von and the

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number one place goes 2.
It's the Joe Rogan Experience.

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Yep, there it is.
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And then this top five that
we're going to do next comes

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from Rolling Stone, and it's
their top five podcasts of 2025.

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That's right, I probably
probably won't need the Tempany

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for this because there's a
little explanation that goes

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along with everything.
But #5 is called the Long Shadow

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Breaking the Internet.
So this isn't and exactly a new

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show.
Breaking the Internet is in the

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fourth season of the Garrett
Graff incredible long form

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series Long Shadow, which
explored how we end up in the

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precarious moments in history.
But it is still one of the most

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impressive podcasts to hit the
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And #4 this is interesting
because this guy has been dead

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for a while now.
So #4 is final thoughts Jerry

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Springer.
And it's hosted by we're just

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going to call him Leon because
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that I'm cussing.
So you want you want to take a

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shot at that last name?
Nafak.

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That's what I'll say.
Nafak, Leon.

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Davon with a long a sound, I
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Let's see.
So he takes the listener on a

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four and a half hour journey
into Jerry Springer's Life and

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Times, talking to those who knew
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battled him.
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Original, this isn't available
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nonetheless, it is just is still
an excellent example of the way

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that long form audio can immerse
a reader in a story #3 is again,

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good.
Hang with Amy Poehler.

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It's no surprise that Saturday
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gets her guest to open up.
She's you just talked about that

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and she's been a mainstay in
comedy for more than three

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decades.
You know what I didn't realize?

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It's been 3 decades Acting in
blockbuster movies and long

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running sitcoms, capturing our
hearts with Girl Next Door

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Bubbliness cut with a sharp wit
now, and the video formats are

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allowing us to see the smirks
and the winks that give extra

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depth to the conversations.
It's like being at a dinner

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table with some of the brightest
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#2 is Spotlight Snitch City?
The Boston Globe's Spotlight

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team might be best known for
helping to take down pedophiles

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in the Catholic Church, but
that's by no means the only kind

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of investigation they do.
In the six part series, crime

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reporter Duggan Arnett goes deep
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New Bedford, a small fishing
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southeastern Massachusetts
embroiled in a war on drugs.

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And It's a wild ride of fake
informants and bad cops,

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kingpins and the bag men all
trying to survive.

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And the number one spot for what
are we on Rolling Stone for 2025

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goes to reclaiming with Monica
Lewinsky.

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This is like a second time.
Second time we brought up her

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that's.
True, that's you would have

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thought that and I I've never
heard of this show.

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Has anybody else heard of this
show?

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Oh no.
No, no.

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Yeah, we have.
OK, that's great.

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OK.
Monica Lewinsky has been through

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the ringer.
After an affair with Bill

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Clinton in the late 1990's, the
general public including many

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prominent feminists of her time,
scapegoating her for the

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president's bad decisions,
maligning her as a sex praise

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vixen who pushed him into a
relationship.

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For years she struggled to
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the mid 2000 and 10s reclaimed
herself as an anti bullying

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advocate.
Now with her podcast, she's

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giving others with complicated
backstories, from acquitted

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murderer suspect Amanda Knox to
former child star Molly Ringwald

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to outspoken comedian Sarah
Silverman the room to tell their

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story fully.
You know who would make a good

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guest on this?
Maybe a little Tonya Harding to

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say, yeah, so.
I'm in Paris that I didn't know

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reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky,
but very cool to see that.

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And yeah, very weird that we've
mentioned her name twice on this

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show this week, but that I
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Yeah, that happens when you're
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there's just a variety of shows
and topics being discussed.

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Yeah, So cool.
Thank you for that, Dr.

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Appreciate it.
Let's dive into some events.

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You like that?
All right, cool.

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Some events for everybody to
consider first.

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Well, Dr. since we've got you
and you, it's not time to go

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make eggs for the hubby.
You want to share this first

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one?
Hey, sure.

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Thanks.
OK, so meet up and match up with

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the podcaster, speakers and
authors tomorrow.

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It's free.
Oh, this is free every Thursday.

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Well, it's free for us because
we use that discount PMC and

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that'll get you in for free.
But since it's so close to the

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holidays, tomorrow's topic is
actually it's a community

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holiday mixer, ugly sweaters
optional.

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So come no matter what your
topic is, come on and kind of

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rub elbows with all the people
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to be on podcasts.
This is really, it's really a

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great networking event and I
hope to see you there.

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Very cool.
Thank you, Dr. And of course,

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links to any of the events we
talk about.

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We will put in the show notes
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And let's see, Pod Fest Expo, as
many of you know, is coming up

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next month.
Actually exactly a month from

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now, January 15th is when it
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It's an in person event and it
is a paid thing.

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You can't go for free unless
you've score yourself a free

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ticket or use coupon code Mark
Marc and get yourself a 10% off

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discount.
And by the way, tickets go up

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this Friday, so if you want to
get yourself a lower priced

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Podfest ticket and make it even
lower by using coupon code Mark

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Marc, now is the time to do it
'cause after Friday price goes

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up and I think it'll, I think
that might be the last time it

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goes up, but who knows, might go
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Also, I wanted to check in with
BC Babbles, who has something

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for us under the events
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Go for it BC.
Good morning.

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Yes, Sir, thank you so much.
So a great opportunity for any

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podcasters looking to kick off
2026 with a bit of a bang.

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So PRX and Audio UK and Apple
are joining forces to bring us

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the Creative Sorry Podcast
Creator Summit.

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That'll be happening in London,
UK on February 6th.

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It's a Friday, so this is a
pretty cool looking summit.

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It's free to attend.
Of course, the travel itself,

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you'll have to figure that out,
but it's shipping up to be a

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really cool summit where you
have different seminars, talks,

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workshops led by a bunch of
creators and industry experts.

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I looked into some of the more
recent caliber of speakers that

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PRX has had in some more state
based events in Austin and

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Atlanta.
We've had people like Brian's

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stat sorry stand effort, I
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director of audio for Texas,
Texas Monthly, Eleanor Kilbenov,

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the host of Tribecast.
You've also had Donald Albright,

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CEO of Tenderfoot TV and Will
Pearson, president of IR

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podcast, just to name some of
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has gotten into these events.
So that by itself I thought was

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really, really cool.
It's London for you to attend,

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you got to figure out the
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But there's also been an
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where they're now adding a two
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to applicants.
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the UK, but everyone's allowed
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workshop, which officially makes
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You've got to be somebody who
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And you got to.
Be somebody who has at least

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some foundational experience in
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pursuing podcasting as a career,
launching a new show or studying

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it academically, and you enjoy
solving problems and

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collaborating with others.
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there.
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it, there is a link I'll share
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They haven't released the names
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summit.
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keep up with their updates.
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will come out in January, but
otherwise a really cool

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opportunity following Podfest to
help continue kicking off your

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2026 with a really awesome bang.
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Thank you BC that's in February,
so a couple months away.

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And yeah, BC go ahead and put it
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This way everyone listening live
can access it and then Ashley

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can grab it and put it in the
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audience.
Thank you BC.

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Awesome.
This one I heard about from Pod

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News recently, just days after
Golden Globes revealed that

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their inaugural podcast
nominees, there's a new

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contender that stepped up onto
the award stage, the 2026 NYC

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Podcast Awards.
No, you don't have to be in New

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York to play along.
It's presented by Silver Sound

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in New York City.
Unlike many mainstream honors

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that lean heavily on download
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also called the Libby Awards
Libby, are built around craft

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and inclusivity.
They celebrate sound design,

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writing, acting, engineering,
diverse voices, and storytelling

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excellence across craft,
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welcoming creators at all levels
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Each entrant also gains access
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It seems to be a thing after
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help clarify goals and build
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A built in benefit of entry.
Submissions are now open and

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you've got until January 10th,
2026 to enter for a chance to be

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a part of this celebration of
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I do not have the link handy,
and I will make sure that link

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is in the show notes for you.
Now, I would normally just go

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ahead and play this Stinger for
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However, we've got some to
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It's Ralph's content creator
business Byte segment, and I

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guess Ralph got a little
inspired after I've been talking

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about these different bumpers
that I'm looking for.

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So Ralph played along using some
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We have a few of these to hear,
so Ralph, I'll play this first

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one.
It's time for the content

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creators.
Business OK, that's your first

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choice, option A and here is
this one.

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I think might I think this is
the one might be my least

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favorite, but let's see, I'm not
sure yet.

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It's time for the content
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Yeah, I think that was the one.
That one was a little disturbing

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to me.
Here's the next one.

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There's two more.
Quick tip smart move content

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creators business fight a little
long but it made me laugh out

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loud when I heard it and did it
again just now.

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And here's the last one, also
one that makes me chuckle.

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The.
Content creators business.

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Now, Ralph, since this is your
segment, which one of these did

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you prefer the most?
Oh man, I think I like the

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second one the best, but man,
I'm I'm listening to those again

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thinking, but that was fun to do
yesterday afternoon.

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It was a certainly a break from
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So that was, that was a good
distraction, Mark, But I'm

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listening to it now and
chuckling myself.

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Yeah.
So if anyone had any

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preferences, let me know.
I feel like Dr. What did you

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think?
I like #3 And you can cut it off

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right before that, the ending of
that, and then it would be a

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perfect light.
Quick tip, smart move.

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Yeah, content creators, business
fight.

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That's though.
Cut it right before that little.

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OK, we'll play with it.
Yeah, I like that one.

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I got to say I agree with DRI.
Think that would be cool if we

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cut that off right after the
spoken part.

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OK, so that is Stinger #3 I will
keep that in mind.

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Yes, I see Nick's flash and a
GIF of Mario.

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Yeah, does have some of these do
have that 8 bit game sound to

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them.
All right Ralph, let's keep

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things moving.
What's the business bite this

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week?
Oh, thank you, Mark.

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So I got a report from
influencer, just influencer.com

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say that three times and it's
making waves in the marketing

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world.
The headline says it all says

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brands need to start thinking
like creators or they'll be left

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behind.
Now, they said that's a big

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statement, but it makes total
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Right now, audiences are
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They're buried under ads and
promotions and perfectly

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polished content.
And most of it gets ignored.

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But creators want attention
because they don't sound like

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brands.
They're fast, they're human, and

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they respond to culture in real
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And here's the best part.
Report outlines a simple but

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powerful shift.
First, speed over perfection.

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Here's the thing they said
creators don't wait for approval

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change.
They publish, they learn, and

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they adjust.
And brands that move at

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quarterly speed can't survive in
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Here's the second thing.
Authentic beats polished.

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Overproduced content feels
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Conversational content builds
trust.

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People don't want commercials,
they want connection #3

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community over campaigns.
Creators talk with their

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audience, not at them.
Then they reply to comments.

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They listen, and they build
loyalty. 1 interaction at a

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time.
And #4 agility over big budgets,

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creators test ideas quickly.
They pivot without ego and spa

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experiments outperform massive
launches.

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And finally, trust is a new
currency.

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People follow creators.
They believe authority today

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comes with relationship, not
logo size.

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Now here's the part that
creators need to hear.

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If billion dollar brands are
being told to think like

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creators, then creators must
start acting like businesses.

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Structure matters.
Systems matters.

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Clarity matters.
The shift isn't coming.

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It's already here.
And creators who embrace it will

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be the ones who last.
Thank you, Ralph.

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I saw lots of people flashing
emojis agreeing or yeah, just

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showing that they were
appreciating this article.

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And if anybody wants to comment
at all, you are more than

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welcome to share.
Thank you, Ralph.

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Appreciating these business
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Jonathan, go ahead.
I will just say that that is

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absolutely the direction that
social is going.

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And we're seeing a lot, lot, lot
of focus on people weren't

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influencers getting rolls of
influencers because of the way

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they create.
So it's a big switch that's

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happening, especially in 2026.
Thank you, Jonathan, and thanks

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again to you, Ralph Moore from
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And some social media news in a
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Let's first check in with Sid.
Hello, Sid.

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Can we get the link to that
research too please?

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That would be awesome.
Absolutely.

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At the end of the day, people do
business with people and we're

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craving connection.
And I think that's what creators

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offer more than what brands
offer because so many brands are

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just stale and boring and
stagnant with their marketing.

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And which is why people are
leaning into creators because

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they're fun, they're energetic,
they're exciting, they're

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changing.
And so it's a, it's certainly a

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lesson for brands.
I'm one of those that scrolls

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past all this boring content and
doesn't engage with it because

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it just doesn't work.
And I talk to brands about this

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all the time and I get blank
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So this is a great, this is
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Thank you for sharing that,
Ralph.

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Yeah.
Thank you, Ralph.

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And let's check in with Nick.
Go ahead, Nick.

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Hey, good morning, everybody.
Yeah, I think we've we've

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definitely been seeing this more
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And with TikTok, as TikTok has
blown up, brands have gotten on

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the more kind of like influencer
type content more just working

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with creators to do all of their
advertising.

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But what I do find interesting,
like I agree with all that.

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And in the same token, sometimes
that creator content, you can

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tell it seems very forced.
It doesn't seem as natural.

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You have all these influencers
that are working on brand deals

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with these different companies.
And it's like within 2 seconds

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you can spot which videos are
sponsored videos.

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And I think that's going to be
the key or the kind of a ticket

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to making it successful is
acting like a creator, but not

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trying too hard to act like a
creator.

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You know what I mean?
Yeah, Nick's right about the

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ones you can.
You can point out that you kind

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of turn away from right to see
force.

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But do any of you follow Amalfi
Jets on TikTok?

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No, I don't anyone.
OK, Amalfi Jets.

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One day I'm going to be able to
forward myself a Jet card.

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This is a company that what they
do is they basically secure

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private jet travel for the
wealthy and the rich and the

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famous.
And their content is absolutely

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amazing.
It's a brand they sell high

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ticket and they are crushing it
on TikTok.

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And just what they do is so fun
and so engaging.

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Colin is the CEO.
He's a young guy that started

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his company when he was in
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He's a pilot himself.
I mean, go follow a Mafi Jets.

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I mean, their content is
absolutely hysterical and

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really, really good.
And one day I'm going to be able

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to call a Mafi Jets and order me
a JET.

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I love it.
Go somewhere.

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I like that, I like that vision.
I would love to fly in a private

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jet.
Never have would love to do that

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and I will go check that out.
Are they using celebrities in

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their content?
Since they fly celebrities

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around, no.
No, it's just him.

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He does these videos where he's
talking on the phone to people

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and there's a couple of his
regulars that stand out all the

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time.
Like one of them's name is

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McKenna.
You're going to have a love hate

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relationship with McKenna
because she is a spoiled rich

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brat and the things she asked
for are absolutely hysterical.

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And she and her dad have fights
and he's playing the about how

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much her about how much her
allowance is.

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Is it 1,000,000?
Is it $2,000,000 a month kind of

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nonsense?
And it's just really funny.

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It's really, really good.
But when you think about what

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they do and the nits that
they're in, serving the elite

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with private travel.
But yet his Tik Toks are just so

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good at engaging.
We will check that out.

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Thank you, Sid.
Let's jump into some AI news.

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So Nick's got a couple of things
for us and Nick and Dr. were

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joining me playing with one of
chat GP TS newer features.

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It's been there for a a minute,
but it's one that I haven't

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really tested until today.
But yeah, Nick, why don't you

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just take it away for starting
with Open A is answer to Nano

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Banana, Yeah.
I feel like we've talked about

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it, but ChatGPT has kind of gone
into that code Red mode with

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Gemini pushing out some pretty
awesome updates.

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So last week we talked about GPT
5.2 and just I believe it was

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yesterday, this week, GPT came
out with their image generator

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1.5 to kind of their answer to
the Nano banana and the big push

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with this new image model or the
upgrades to it on maintaining

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image that you upload to it.
So editing images is a big piece

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of what Chachibiki wants to
incorporate with their image

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model.
So we were playing with it this

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morning.
Mark uploaded some pictures of

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him and we were goofing around
adding different backgrounds and

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stuff like that.
And I'll say it does do a lot

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better job maintaining like the
person's face.

453
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,080
Mark generated a couple of them
and his his face looked like him

454
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,440
regardless of what crazy outfit
or background we put behind.

455
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,600
Mark.
A lot better than Gemini has,

456
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,320
and I do find that really
interesting in the past when

457
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,520
I've.
Uploaded a photo say of me and I

458
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,360
wanted it to whatever.
Maybe change the background.

459
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,080
It'll change the background well
and it kind of looks like me.

460
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,760
It had maintains my features in
a way, but it it doesn't really

461
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,840
look like me.
That's the best way I can

462
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,920
explain it.
It doesn't really look like me.

463
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,160
I have noticed just from.
Us like playing with it a little

464
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,320
bit as you like.
When you upload a picture, say

465
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,360
of yourself, and you say put
this background in the image,

466
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,520
after that initial image
generation, I feel like it

467
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,920
starts to lose that that power
of maintaining the character.

468
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,280
Yeah, and I should have been
more.

469
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,120
Clear to the that's the old way
that it wouldn't really look

470
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:17,000
like me using ChatGPT.
This new way it the first couple

471
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,560
of images, it looked just like
me as we did a few renditions,

472
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,440
but then it started to fade.
Then it started not looking like

473
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,560
me after we got into the third
and fourth round and I had to

474
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,440
refresh it by just giving it a
picture again of me.

475
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,440
And then it seemed to get back
on track a little bit, but I

476
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,320
also gave it an image of me,
Nick and Dr. and I told it to

477
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,400
put us on park bent, a park
bench in Central Park dressed as

478
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,320
clowns.
But I specifically told it don't

479
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,600
put makeup on us because I
really wanted to see if it

480
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,600
maintained our faces.
We've seen in the past some of

481
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,760
this AI image generation.
It once you start throwing in

482
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,920
multiple faces then it really
can get confusing the new Gemini

483
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:04,080
nano nano banana has done a
better job of that a much better

484
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,440
job of that and now it looks
like ChatGPT 1.5 image generator

485
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,080
also does a great job of that
Sid, did you have something yes

486
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,560
I played around with the.
ChatGPT image generator.

487
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,680
Gosh, probably a year ago
creating a logo for my

488
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,920
newsletter and it spells
something wrong and I asked it

489
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,960
to re spell the word and then
the next image I got was that's

490
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,120
all I asked to do was just
change the spelling of the word,

491
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,400
not change anything else.
It changed the entire image and

492
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,800
didn't spell the word correctly.
So those things been improved in

493
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,320
fix where you can do these
little simple edits like you

494
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,000
really like the image, but you
need this one thing tweaked like

495
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,760
change the color of the font or
whatever.

496
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,920
Is that fixed?
Yeah, that is kind of like the.

497
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,640
Big push with the AI image
models right now is it was

498
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,200
really cool when we could just
generate these images out of

499
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,720
thin air and just your mad let
your imagination run wild.

500
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,160
But they got really complex and
complicated when you wanted to

501
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,960
be able to just make minor
tweaks to it.

502
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,840
And nano banana I felt did a
really good job of that.

503
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,760
Just saying, hey, remove the
plant in that corner or just

504
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,920
change the text of this image to
say something else but maintain

505
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,840
everything else and that is with
this 1.5 ChatGPT image model

506
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,680
that is kind of their step in
that direction now we didn't

507
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,160
play with anything text related.
I am curious how ChatGPT handles

508
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,040
text.
That is something that I know

509
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,160
Gemini has approved a lot on,
Yeah.

510
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,400
And I can say even.
Before this new at 1.5 version,

511
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,480
I can tell you that it's done a
much better job with spelling in

512
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,120
graphics.
I've done it multiple times.

513
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,240
If you look at some of my cover
art for this very show, there's

514
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,080
sometimes text in it, and I
don't manipulate or add the

515
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,320
text.
It it does it for me now.

516
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,600
And nine times out of 10, I'd
say it sells it correctly.

517
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,440
Sometimes it still makes a
mistake and also it's big.

518
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,440
It was doing a better job of
making a little tweak to the

519
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,640
image without changing the
entire image, but it still had

520
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,600
some problems with that.
But what I'm seeing so far in my

521
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,880
early tests with 1.5 is it's
doing a much better job of

522
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,400
maintaining the image and only
making certain changes.

523
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,040
The other part of this is I told
you that I Nick, I did an image

524
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,880
of me, Nick and Dr. The cool
thing that we haven't talked

525
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,720
about yet that's been out for a
minute with ChatGPT is it now

526
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,600
has a group chat feature.
So for example, if you start a

527
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,240
ChatGPT thread and you ask it to
do something and it does it,

528
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,160
let's say for example, it's just
not working right for you.

529
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,160
You're not getting the output
you were hoping for.

530
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,000
And you want somebody that you
know, that is more experienced

531
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,240
in AI.
You want their help to try to

532
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,840
figure out what's going on.
Well, you can add them to the

533
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,440
chat, to that very thread in
ChatGPT.

534
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,280
And then what happens is it's
like a conversation now between

535
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,360
you, the users you've invited,
and Chat GPTI can literally text

536
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,320
something within that thread to
Nick, like Nick, you know, I

537
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,480
don't think I'm doing this
right.

538
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,880
What what do you think?
And he could respond back.

539
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,800
Oh, that's easy here.
Let me show you.

540
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,120
And then he can prompt ChatGPT,
and then we can sit there and

541
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,920
wait for the output and see if
it works.

542
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,120
That's one use case, one
example, But I find this really

543
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,760
fascinating.
I'm not sure yet the different

544
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,000
ways we can really take
advantage of it other than one

545
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,880
that way I explained.
But I like the collaborative

546
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,240
feature.
I think that there's going to be

547
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,360
something to that.
So start playing around with

548
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,560
that and see what you think and
maybe we can figure out some use

549
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,160
cases for it too.
I thought it was kind.

550
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,680
Of cool because it was very much
like a text message chat and I

551
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,560
don't think the R and Mark are
paying too much attention.

552
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,840
I was kind of going nuts in the
chat, just kind of testing

553
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,000
different stuff.
But it is smart enough to

554
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,560
understand ChatGPT is when
you're talking to it versus when

555
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,320
you're talking to other people
in the chat.

556
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,160
And you can like at tag, like I
go at Mark Ronic and like

557
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,520
message directly to him.
And ChatGPT kind of stays out of

558
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,920
it entirely.
But I didn't notice.

559
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,360
Like I would send a message or
Dr. would send a message in

560
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,000
there and a little bubble would
pop up to say ChatGPT is

561
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,120
thinking and then it wouldn't do
anything.

562
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,040
So it would recognize that Dr.
was sending the message to us

563
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,440
and not ChatGPT itself.
And then I went in there.

564
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,480
I think this was before you
brought Dr. into the chat.

565
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,160
And I was like, hey, what can
you tell me about Mark or what

566
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,000
can you tell me about us?
So I was thinking, OK, ChatGPT

567
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,480
has got all this information
about him.

568
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,960
It's got all this information
about me.

569
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,400
Can I potentially gain
information from Chad GBT about

570
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,080
Mark that he has on his own
account?

571
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,720
And it refused to give me any
kind of information other than

572
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,840
what was already in the chat.
Yeah, it it specifically.

573
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,120
Said that to you, it said.
I only know what's going on

574
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,880
within this conversation,
nothing outside of this specific

575
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,199
conversation.
I think that is interesting.

576
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,199
I think that's definitely a good
feature because that was one of

577
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,600
the first things I thought about
is like if Mark tells ChatGPT

578
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,719
all his deepest and darkest
secrets and I'm like, hey,

579
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,800
ChatGPT, give me that
information.

580
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,239
Yeah, he just gets exploited.
And I'm sure that's why.

581
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,480
It has that those guardrails is
for that very reason, Yeah.

582
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,440
So go check that out.
Let us know what you think,

583
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,880
obviously.
Well, maybe not, obviously, I

584
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,280
don't know.
But for me, this is something I

585
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,440
think that a content creator, if
you're already using AI or

586
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,360
intrigued by it, this is an
interesting feature to start

587
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,239
playing around with.
Yes.

588
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,199
BC before we move on from AI,
did you have something?

589
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,320
Yeah, quick question, just to
clarify.

590
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,840
So that guardrail only exists if
you bring in a third party

591
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,199
person to join the conversation.
Yes, that's kind.

592
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,720
Of a the way you asked it makes
it a little tricky, but yeah, so

593
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:02,720
basically it's for it's a
guardrail specific to the group

594
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,920
feature that we're discussing.
Got you.

595
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,000
Yeah, Thank you.
So in other words, theoretically

596
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,480
all of your your private content
should remain private, right?

597
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,240
Like that's not going out to the
public, but this is a specific

598
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,720
guardrail if you start inviting
people into your ChatGPT.

599
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,360
OK, right.
But if you're if you're still.

600
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,920
On your own you can still and
you can still have a draw on

601
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,520
other conversations along as
it's just you. 100% yes.

602
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,040
Yep, Yep.
Janae, welcome to the stage.

603
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,280
What did you want to add?
Good morning.

604
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,120
Yeah, I absolutely love the
group chat feature and I haven't

605
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,480
played with anybody else.
And it's awesome to hear that

606
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,400
you you have been using the
group chat feature amongst the

607
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,560
PMC.
What's cool is it does say as

608
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,600
soon as you start it a group
chat, it says your personal

609
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,720
ChatGPT memory is never used in
Group chat.

610
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,400
So again, those guardrails are
in place and of course they

611
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,240
thought about it.
OK, what?

612
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,480
People start exploiting each
other.

613
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,840
So they kept that and place.
Thanks.

614
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,240
Thank you, Janae.
So yeah, let us know.

615
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,160
Feel free to drop us a line.
Let us know what you think of

616
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,640
the new image generator, the new
group feature.

617
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,400
Yeah.
Janae, if you want somebody to

618
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,560
play along with with the group,
the group chat feature, let me

619
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,400
know.
Happy to jump in that with you.

620
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,280
Quick heads up before we jump
back into news.

621
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,280
I want the Podcasting morning
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622
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623
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that we officially released the
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625
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626
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627
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You can watch what you need,

628
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You'll find the EPC 2 video
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632
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You can get that for the current

633
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sale price of $47 even normally
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like this.
So thank you to Janaid and yeah,

638
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we want to support Janaid, so
that's why we've got the price

639
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tag.
Yes, Dr. go ahead.

640
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,680
Can you name?
Off a couple of classes that

641
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,600
were filmed, maybe that would
whet people's appetite about

642
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what they're going to be buying.
Great question.

643
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,840
When I wish you had asked me
prior to the show so I felt a

644
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,080
little prepared so.
So sorry, something I

645
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,000
absolutely.
Should have on hand here.

646
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:08,080
There were definitely there were
a few AI discussions for sure.

647
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There were also how to grow your
podcast, how to monetize your

648
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podcast, several types of
discussions like that.

649
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And I'm not doing it justice,
but if you go to that link, you

650
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can see the full quote UN quote,
course schedule or

651
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presentations, workshops,
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652
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glimpse of that before you
purchase.

653
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,920
We'll have all this.
Ready for tomorrow's mid?

654
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,200
I'm going completely off the
order today here because they're

655
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,720
just some things I'm excited,
more excited to talk about than

656
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:51,480
others.
Jonathan shared with me

657
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,160
something I knew about and
forgot to get to.

658
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,240
And did I put, did I get this
clip?

659
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,840
That's the big question.
I thought, Oh yes, I did.

660
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,800
I've got the clip here for you.
So this is a clip from Adam

661
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:11,400
Missouri, the CEO of Instagram,
sharing some news about some

662
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changes they've made to the
algorithm.

663
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,240
Ever wish you could see your
algorithm?

664
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,240
Maybe make some changes.
Well, as of this week, you can

665
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:21,640
do so on Instagram, at least for
the Reels tab.

666
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,000
We've used some of our latest
technology and AI to be able to

667
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,760
explain what we think you're
interested in.

668
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,800
So as you scroll through Reels,
you'll see in the top right

669
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,320
corner a little icon.
And if you tap on that, you can

670
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,560
see your algorithm, what we
think you're interested in.

671
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,840
You can add more topics, you can
remove the topic, you can add

672
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,880
topics you want to make sure you
never see anything from in the

673
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,840
future.
And those changes will be

674
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,160
reflected in your Reals tab
forever more.

675
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,560
We're actually also starting to
test bringing this functionality

676
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,680
to the search tab to explore.
So you can see any interests you

677
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,920
explicitly added across the top
of explore and dive in there and

678
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,160
get back to that same interface.
And over the long run, we want

679
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,600
to bring this to the main feed
to the Home tab as well.

680
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,480
That's just going to take a
little bit more time as well to

681
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,440
bring it to more languages,
which is coming soon.

682
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,480
So check it out and if you are
interested, when you go to that

683
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,720
algorithm page, there's actually
a little share icon and you can

684
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:12,040
share what you're interested in
with your friends.

685
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,600
So I'm pretty curious to see
what you all do with it.

686
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,920
Maybe tag me if you shared your
stories so I can see how this is

687
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,480
being used.
But I'm particularly excited

688
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,920
about a world where there's
transparency and control around

689
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,200
your algorithm on Instagram.
So it's here.

690
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,440
Peace.
So what do we think of this now?

691
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,840
You can actually customize your
algorithm so it's not just spoon

692
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,680
feeding you anymore, although it
what it sounds like to me.

693
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,080
And Jonathan, maybe you have
some more insight.

694
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:44,120
What it sounds like to me is
that they'll still be the

695
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,800
default algorithm that makes its
decisions for the content you

696
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,680
see based on the things that
you're looking at and maybe now

697
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,680
based on your custom algorithm.
But I think that you'll have

698
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,640
those two choices.
You'll be able to go and

699
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,800
basically tap on the tab and
say, yeah, this is my custom

700
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,200
feed that I want to look at
right now, or you could tap on

701
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,920
the default.
But Jonathan, your thoughts,

702
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,360
It's going to be interesting,
right?

703
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Now the way it's playing is only
in the reels tab, although it

704
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,400
will extend out from the reels
tab as they build.

705
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,920
And what you can do is I think
the thing that's going to be

706
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:23,160
most impactful is you can block
entire like things.

707
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,680
If you don't want to see social
media tips, you can block that

708
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,080
section of social media tips.
And you can then type in the

709
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,200
things that you do want to see
and it will include.

710
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,360
Because what shows up in your in
your tab when you're when you're

711
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,720
looking is what you're looking
at, what you're seeing a lot of

712
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:42,560
right now, whatever it is that
you're watching a lot of.

713
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,760
And you can take those things
out if you want, like if you're

714
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,640
just researching New York City
because you're going to New York

715
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,960
City this week and you never
want to see any more New York

716
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,920
City after this week, you can
then take that out, which helps

717
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,480
you kind of just keep your
algorithm to what you want to

718
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,640
see.
Now, I think the biggest impact

719
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,760
is going to be for creators
because people are going to be

720
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,200
able to block entire sections of
topics.

721
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,760
And if you're in that section,
your contents not going to be

722
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,520
seen.
So I've been recommending to

723
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,640
creators to say to get people to
hit your bell because they're

724
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,200
interested in your content.
They hit your bell, then that's

725
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,800
going to override us.
Like if they don't want to see

726
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,720
real estate, but you're a
realtor, so I'm going to stop

727
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:25,880
you right there.
And and.

728
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,520
For those who may not know, what
do you mean?

729
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,160
Hit your bell so on Instagram.
In your profile, you do have the

730
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,960
ability to select people that
you want to get notifications

731
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,280
from all the time.
It's a bell at the top of their

732
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,680
profile, so you can click on
that and click next to their

733
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,200
name, there's a bell.
You tap that and it'll ask you

734
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,680
if you want to see posts,
stories, real bills, live live

735
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,040
videos and you can select if you
want all most relevant or you

736
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,720
don't want any notifications
from them.

737
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,040
This means especially.
As Adam Missouri said, they want

738
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,240
to roll this into other areas
besides just reels.

739
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:04,400
And so I have a feeling based on
that advice, Jonathan, I have a

740
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,880
feeling we're going to start
hearing more creators saying

741
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,120
that in their content, not just
necessarily saying, you know,

742
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,680
hit the follow button, but they
may also now start saying hit

743
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,600
that bell if you want to see
more content like this.

744
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,040
Thank you, Jonathan, appreciate
that and appreciate the tip as

745
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,360
well.
Important stuff, I think,

746
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,520
especially if you're using
Instagram as one way to promote

747
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,720
your podcast.
Speaking of Instagram and

748
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaking of promoting your
podcast, your podcast clips

749
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,600
might start making it to the
television screen.

750
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,680
Instagram is officially moving
beyond the phone screen and into

751
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,680
your living room.
Mehta has begun testing a

752
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,960
dedicated Instagram for TV app
currently exclusively on Amazon

753
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,640
Fire TV streaming devices in the
United States, marking

754
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,320
Instagram's first native
television experience.

755
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,360
The app centers on short form
reels, letting view viewers

756
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,760
browse personalized video feeds
and topic based channels on

757
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,400
bigger screens, no phone
required.

758
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,080
This initiative is part of
Meta's broader strategy to

759
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,200
expand video consumption beyond
mobile and compete with

760
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,600
platforms like YouTube and
TikTok for connected TV

761
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,960
attention and AD dollars.
The Fire TV roll out is

762
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,760
currently limited to US users,
with plans to gather feedback

763
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,720
and potentially expand to
additional devices and markets.

764
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,880
Kind of cool to see some of our
content on the big screen.

765
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,200
Although if you're doing
something like YouTube Shorts,

766
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,640
you might already see that.
And of course, if you're putting

767
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,200
your content, your full episodes
out on video, you see that

768
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,880
already perhaps on YouTube or
other platforms that are

769
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,560
streaming through your
television.

770
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,120
But cool that Instagram is doing
that as well.

771
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,560
Let's try to get to a couple.
Of the main headlines today I

772
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:05,080
will share with you and then Dr.
you can take story #2 but first

773
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,960
I'll share that Apple's next
move for podcast interaction

774
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:14,120
comes with their latest iOS
update, giving listeners and

775
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,720
creators ways to interact,
navigate, and engage more deeply

776
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:19,800
with content.
The changes are part of a

777
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,320
broader effort to refresh how
people discover and use Apple

778
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,760
Podcasts on iPhone and related
devices.

779
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,600
For example, one, they are
adding, just like Spotify did

780
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,800
earlier this year, automatic
chapter markers.

781
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,120
If you haven't noticed, even if
you're putting your own chapter

782
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,360
markers time stamped in your
show notes, Spotify has already

783
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,320
been doing that for you.
And they do that based on their

784
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,600
AI and what their AI determines
is appropriate to highlight.

785
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,960
That's why I still put in our
own just in case, because

786
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,920
sometimes it may want to
highlight something that I don't

787
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,200
think is necessary to highlight.
It has, let's see here, the

788
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,840
timed.
What was that called?

789
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,240
Dr. There was the timed links.
Is that what they called those?

790
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,040
I think it's timed links.
But they are automatically

791
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:15,320
whenever you mention a another
podcast or even another episode

792
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,920
that you have, they will
automatically put a link to that

793
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,120
on your screen.
Yeah, on your screen.

794
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,840
So that's cool.
And I think that's.

795
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,480
Something you can control,
although don't quote me on that

796
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,800
'cause I have not seen or used
the feature yet.

797
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:34,760
So keep an eye out on that as
look, I mean Apple still, at

798
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,280
least among most podcasters that
I speak to Apple as far as audio

799
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,520
listening goes, it tends to be
the main platform for most

800
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,240
podcast listeners.
Again, in my circles anyway, I

801
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:48,960
know that doesn't apply to
everybody.

802
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,960
All right, Dr. do you want to
take the next headline?

803
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,320
I do and if I read.
This, I want people to realize

804
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,880
that this, what I'm reading is
all coming from someone by the

805
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,280
name of Steve Goldstein, who
works at Amplify Media.

806
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,320
He's a big wig in, in, you know,
in this podcasting world.

807
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,400
But this is all According to
him.

808
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,400
And OK, so podcasting finally
grows up.

809
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:18,560
The format wars are over.
Great, According to Where's the

810
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,800
sound effect?
According to Steve Goldstein of

811
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,160
Amplify Media, 2025 made it
official after years of arguing

812
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,760
about what counts as a podcast.
The industry is blinked and

813
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,680
audiences already decided
podcasting is no longer a

814
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:41,040
format.
It is content that moves.

815
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Podcasting has entered its
fourth phase, the Liquid Content

816
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,240
era.
Interesting So.

817
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,280
I know.
So here are some key points.

818
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:58,480
Podcasting is no longer audio
only audiences expect audio and

819
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:04,240
video content now flows across
YouTube clips, newsletters, live

820
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:08,040
streams and events.
The show is no longer the

821
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:13,320
product, it is the engine.
That's an interesting, that's an

822
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,440
interesting sentence to me.
OK.

823
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,000
And audience behavior drives
strategy, not platforms or

824
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,800
feeds.
Single format shows can still

825
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,880
win, but flexibility now matters
more than tradition.

826
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,400
So does this help the indie
creator or just reward the

827
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,600
bigger teams?
What do you think in some ways?

828
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,040
It makes things a little more
confusing for creators just as

829
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,800
far as well.
So what do I say?

830
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,640
Is anything a podcast now?
And some people might, might

831
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,360
argue that I don't know that it
affects one side, indie creators

832
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,800
or bigger podcasters or yeah, I
don't think either way, it's,

833
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,160
it's something that affects.
And I think people will still

834
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,280
argue this point, but I do kind
of lean towards what what Steve

835
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,120
is saying.
I get it that podcasting

836
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:09,200
traditionally means it's part of
an RSS feed, It's audio only.

837
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,160
But the times are are changing
and evolving.

838
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:17,440
And I do believe that consumers
end up dictating what we call

839
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,560
podcasting and how to define it.
We're not going to.

840
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,080
We can't sit here and bang it
into their heads that no

841
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,200
podcasting means this.
If, if the majority out there is

842
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,760
saying, OK, a podcast can be
consumed on YouTube, it can be

843
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,000
consumed on Apple Podcasts, who
are we to tell people, no,

844
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,960
you're wrong?
Especially, like I said, if the

845
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,760
majority is saying it, we can't
fight it.

846
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,520
We're a smaller crowd than than
the audience is.

847
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,960
When does it become?
True.

848
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:53,080
If like a million people are
saying one thing and you and

849
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,680
maybe three other people are
saying something else, then when

850
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,160
is it true?
I got to say.

851
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,440
Somebody who is a is a Hall of
Famer in the podcasting space.

852
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,760
Rob Greenlee.
Oh yeah, Rob.

853
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,600
Greenlee, I thought.
You.

854
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,040
Who did you think I was?
Going to mention.

855
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,040
Someone else?
No, he I thought you.

856
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,600
Were going to rob.
Greenlee.

857
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,960
Was one of the people that had
that old school mentality that

858
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,720
for a long time was standing on
his soapbox saying no it's audio

859
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:26,320
only, it's got to be RSS.
And a few months ago, I saw he

860
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,200
posted something on LinkedIn
basically saying, you know what,

861
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,640
I'm changing my mind.
And he was recognizing that

862
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:36,600
podcasting has expanded to more
than what we used to call it.

863
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:40,040
He's fully on board with the
idea that, yeah, could be video

864
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,920
too.
And in fact, he's always argued

865
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,440
video podcasting has been around
for quite a while.

866
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,760
And, and even on Apple podcast,
it's just that for whatever

867
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,480
reason, on Apple or Apple
doesn't really give us a good

868
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,000
clear playbook.
And they don't really promote

869
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,280
the fact that you can actually
distribute video through their

870
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,720
platform.
So I thought you were going.

871
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:07,400
To cite Dave Jackson and Dave
Jackson is in the camp of if it

872
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,920
doesn't have an RSS feed, it
ain't a podcast.

873
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,800
He's in that camp.
Ralph, I haven't talked to to

874
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,360
Dave in quite a while so and you
know more than I do about how he

875
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,520
has taken this on.
But as far as I know, he always

876
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,960
used to have a problem.
He, there was a hesitancy when

877
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,680
he'd have to say, well, there's
a podcast on YouTube.

878
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,280
He'd say, well, there's a, a
show on YouTube.

879
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,240
So there was always that kind of
hesitancy of him referring to

880
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:39,520
something on YouTube as a
podcast.

881
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,920
And I got to say some of that
has rubbed off on me a little

882
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,280
bit.
I will say that.

883
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,840
I'll be honest enough to say
that.

884
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,120
And that's fair.
And yeah, everyone has an

885
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,160
opinion and you're welcome to
it.

886
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,680
I yeah, I think that it, it just
depends on you and how you want

887
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,720
to define it.
But I think that overall, this

888
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:00,840
may be the safer way to say
this.

889
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,000
If you don't want to say I have
a podcast, you could say I have

890
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,120
a show, I have a show, I have a
show.

891
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,120
That's right.
Yeah, I sometimes refer.

892
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,440
To it that way, not not
strategically, just because.

893
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,520
And I think I think that's a
Safeway to hear.

894
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,240
I have a show on the Internet.
Alf Ralph, did you want to say

895
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:19,120
something?
I said Alf Ralph, did you want

896
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,000
to say something?
I'll go by Alf today.

897
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,040
That's.
Fine, No, I strategically about

898
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,840
nine months ago started calling
all of my content shows because

899
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,320
I just saw the writing on the
Walmart and I said, you know

900
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,960
what, let's just start calling
it that because I think that's

901
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:35,440
actually the better term.
And I hear that more and more

902
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now in the content creator realm
that they a lot more people are

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saying the word show.
Thank you, Ralph.

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Appreciate that.
And I'm looking at the clock

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here, gang and I.
Think that we're going to.

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Wrap up the news today and
remind you to come back

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00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,720
tomorrow, 7:00 AM Eastern live
here on Clubhouse, Facebook,

908
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:55,720
YouTube, Chatter, all the
places.

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00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,880
And of course, if you can't join
us, you can always pick up the

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podcast a couple hours later.
We are doing our podcast indie

911
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,720
podcast evaluation series
tomorrow.

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We'd love for you to be a part
of it.

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Lots that we all can learn from
from breaking down these

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different indie shows.
So come join us.

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00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,840
And notice I said shows.
Come join us tomorrow, 7:00 AM

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Eastern.
And then on Friday for our final

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episode of 2025, come join us to
celebrate the holidays,

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00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,640
celebrate the upcoming year, and
talk some podcasting while we're

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at it too.
So until tomorrow, make it a

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great day everybody take care.