376 - Audio-Only Podcasting: The Antidote to Video?

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Good morning podcasting Morning
chat.

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Today is Thursday, September
25th, 2025 and today long time

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podcaster Rachel Corbett says
podcasting wouldn't exist if it

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started with video.
And today's chat explores where

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we agree, where we don't, and of
course, why it matters.

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and we'll get things rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again, podcasting.
Morning, Ted.

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Thanks so much for being here.
I am your host Mark Ronik.

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And on stage with me currently
we have producer Ashley Feller,

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Dr. Faye, Sid Meadows, Alex
Baelish and Nick Nolback.

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And I'm expecting Jonathan
Howard as well because just a

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little tease, We have a clip
from a show that we really want

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to break down and we shared it
with the team last night so

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people could digest it a little
bit.

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And Jonathan said he was quite
opinionated about this clip.

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So I am very curious to hear his
thoughts.

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So hopefully he will be joining
us momentarily.

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And yes, the countdown
continues.

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Empowered Podcasting 2 is
happening tomorrow, and

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technically for me it's today
because I am leaving Asheville,

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NC and heading over to Charlotte
this afternoon.

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And in typical Mark ADHD form, I
have not packed a single thing

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yet.
Not a thing.

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I don't have a as a matter of
fact to my right across the way,

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my home studio's in my basement
and across the way from me, we

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have like a bedroom area set up
for guests.

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And this is also where again
across the way, there's also

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laundry machines there.
And all of my laundry currently

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is just all over the guest bed
right now in just a big pile.

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I should take a picture and I'll
share it with with you.

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Maybe I'll put it in the
Empowered Podcasting Facebook

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group to share And there's
Jonathan Awesome.

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And by the way, awesome to see
James Cridlin as our first guest

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in the audience today.
James Cridlin from of course,

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Pod news, a proud partner of
Empowered Podcasting as well.

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James has been such a great
support throughout our journey

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this year, promoting the event,
allowing us to promote it over

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there on his website.
And you're putting it in that

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events section that we talk
about every Wednesday.

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It's just a been a pleasure
working with James and I'm

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really proud to be working with
James.

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And hello to Renee, who's joined
us as well in the chat.

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Looks like we're having one of
those mornings where people

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slowly file in and that's OK.
Yep, there's Austin.

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OK, cool.
So listen, normally, well, not

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normally.
What I said I was going to do

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this week was start the show
with an icebreaker question

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related to going to conferences.
I've decided I'm going to hold

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off on that and we'll do that
tomorrow since we're going to be

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live from Charlotte from the
event tomorrow, we'll talk more

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about conferences and strategies
when you're going to these

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conferences.
We'll do some of that tomorrow

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when I've got some of you
sitting next to me live at the

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Hilton.
I'm sorry, the Hyatt Centric

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just said Hilton.
I don't know why.

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OK, so with that, let's start
with a different icebreaker.

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And this really kind of helps
set up today's question.

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OK, here it is.
If you had to choose forever

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only podcasts were only YouTube,
which would you pick?

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And you can have different
answers clearly, which would you

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pick as both a creator and as a
consumer?

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Only if you only have podcasts
or YouTube to choose from.

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And let's put let's define
podcasts as audio only for this

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discussion.
And I see people want to chime

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in.
Let's check in with Dr. Ladies

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first.
Good morning to you, Dr. What

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say you?
If you had to choose forever

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only podcasts or only YouTube,
which would you pick as a

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creator and as a consumer?
Go for it.

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So I am an audio first girl.
I think I would go with

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podcasts.
I already have televisions, so

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that would fill my need for
something that I can see, but I

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really think that I would go for
the audio first.

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Who else had their chili pepper
up?

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Was it Nick?
No, I did.

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I think I enjoy the best of both
worlds when it comes to YouTube.

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I used to love listening to the
radio, go to sleep or whatever.

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And so in terms of content, I
like audio slash video because

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you can see it or listen to it.
But in terms of making content,

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audio is easier.
And that's why I would say

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audio.
But I like the interaction with

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guests so that always helps.
Alex kind of one vote as a

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creator, one vote for the other
one as a consumer makes sense.

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And let's see, Nick, I think
wants to check in.

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Go ahead, Nick.
I would choose video polls as a

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consumer and as a creator.
From the consumer standpoint,

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I'm a very much a visual learner
and a lot of the content that I

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consume is to learn, and it's
really hard to learn how to use

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different programs through
audio.

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I definitely do video on the
consumer side, on the video side

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or on the.
Creator.

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Side I don't know, I feel like.
There's you have the potential

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like Alex is saying, where you
can listen to video without

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actually watching it, which.
I think caters to the people who

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prefer audio, but having video
is just like another element

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that can drive more people to
your content.

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It opens itself up to more
monetization options.

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It just.
It gives your.

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Content more reach Depending on
what the audiences prefer.

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Content styles.
They will watch the video, they

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can watch it, but if it is a
podcast so to speak, they can

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still listen to you without
actually watching it.

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A.
Lot of the platforms.

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Allow.
That to happen.

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Yeah.
Thank you, Nick.

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And I think Renee is agreeing
with you.

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She's choosing YouTube and for
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In the chat here, she's saying
second biggest search engine.

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That's YouTube.
Yeah, I get that.

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And she's also saying, similar
to what you were saying, Nick,

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that as a consumer, she likes to
see things when needed.

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And yeah, you made a great point
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I mean, I know a lot of us use
YouTube as YouTube University.

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So when we're going there to
maybe learn how to fix that

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thing we're doing in Canva, for
example, right?

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Or what's that audio editing
trick that we can do in Adobe,

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right?
I'm just trying to come up with

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stuff off the top of my head.
And we we're likely going to go

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look at YouTube.
It's like you said, it's going

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to be a lot harder to go on a
podcast and get a step by step

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some cases that might work, but
I think having the visual as

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well is really helpful.
Anyone else want to chime in

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before we play today's clip?
It's funny because when we were

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talking about learning
something, so my, I have a lot

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of different podcast players on
my phone and they all have like

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you can separate, you can
categorize, you know, all your

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favorite podcasts into one
category and another.

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So all of my podcasts on
podcasting I have labeled the

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classroom.
It's all audio.

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All my education practically has
been through audio first

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podcasts.
OK, so there you go.

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And like I said, I think that
some people that that may work

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well for them and I think visual
learners would probably lean

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toward YouTube, but I get that.
That's cool.

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Dr. Thank you.
And Sid wanted to chime in.

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Go ahead, Sid.
Good morning, everybody.

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I'm going to agree with Ashley.
This is a tough question to

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answer.
As a consumer, I would want

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podcast audio only.
There's something about putting

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it in my back pocket, walking
around, listening to stories,

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learning new things, you know,
hearing people talk.

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I'm.
I'm an audio first guy.

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As a consumer, I rarely open
YouTube, being like rarely open

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each.
I am trying to get into a habit

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of opening it at least once a
week to search for things just

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because.
Trying to, you know, learn how

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to use it.
I guess a little bit as a

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consumer.
I have to stop you, Sid.

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It's, it's so funny to me to
hear that because most people

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are trying to break the habit of
using it too much.

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And Sid's creating trying to
create a habit of actually using

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YouTube.
I just like never open it.

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I don't know, it's something
about watching a video.

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I feel like I have to sit down
and focus to watch a video where

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if I'm listening, like I could
not watch YouTube videos while

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I'm on my morning walk, but I
can listen to two podcasts while

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I'm on my morning walk and
consume content and learn things

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and you know, feel accomplished.
I can't do that with YouTube.

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I might walk into a mailbox or a
car or something, Right?

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But as a creator, I understate
go go ahead, you are.

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It's interesting that you said
what you just said because the

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clip that he's going to play
talks about how you feel

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dividing your time between
YouTube and podcasts, audio

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first podcast and the feeling
that you get if you sit.

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I don't want to give up the
clip, but you you'll hear it

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we'll.
Touch on this.

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Yeah.
Well as a creator I understand

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the power of video, especially
short form video and I love

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creating videos, it comes very
natural to me.

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I don't really struggle with
creating videos so as a creator

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I would probably lean into
creating more video then audio.

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If I had to choose I probably
would choose.

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I'm going to second guess myself
but because I love creating

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podcasts though, I mean I just
love talking to people and

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sharing their stories.
So I mean it'll be a really hard

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one for me to choose.
But as a creator, I understand

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the power of videos, so I might
lean a little bit towards

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creating video first.
There you go.

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OK, interesting variety being
shared here this morning.

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And all right, I, I'd like to
move forward now and actually

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play this clip.
And this is a clip.

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Dr. found this and she sent it
to me yesterday as we were doing

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show prep for yesterday and was
sharing it with me thinking, oh,

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maybe we can talk about this.
And I was like, yeah, let's talk

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about it tomorrow.
And this, it comes from Rode,

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the manufacturer of all the
different Rd. products, right?

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The microphones, the road
caster, etcetera.

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They've started a video podcast
and this is from their first

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episode, 1 of several guests.
This is actually the clip.

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Her name is Rachel Corbett and
she is an Australian podcaster.

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And this is an Australian
podcast.

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She's been a radio and
television presenter, media

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professional.
She's been at it for 20 years

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across radio, podcasting and TV.
Also, I think print media as

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well, her radio career involved
roles at major Australian

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networks.
And I, we have Matt Bliss here,

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our Australian.
So Matt, you can tell me, you

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can chime in at any point if
I've gotten anything wrong so

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far.
And let me just say good morning

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to you, Sir.
Good.

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Morning everybody.
I put in the chat before this

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episode started that I should
come along just in case context

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is needed.
But there's going to be names

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that are famous mentioned and
companies that are popular in

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Australia that are mentioned
that are going to have zero

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impact on any of you just
because of the context.

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So yeah, I'm expecting to fill
in the gaps if it's needed.

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Obviously we won't.
But we'll see.

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We'd also love to have your
opinions as well, Matt.

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So let's get that hat on and I
will play this clip and I think

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it's only about a minute and
then we'll talk about it.

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I have this broken down, by the
way, because there are several

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statements in here that she
makes that I think will a lot of

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us will want to chime in on.
And Jonathan Howard, I'm looking

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at you because you were pretty
vocal in our private chat last

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night when we shared this clip
with you.

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So let's play it, and then let's
talk about it on the other side.

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Podcasting would never have
become what it's become if it

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was video, because the whole
shift to podcasting, the passion

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for it, the interest was that it
was an antidote to video.

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It has the same feeling as
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If I said to you, I spent my
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to podcasts, I would feel like
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If I said to you I spent my
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YouTube, I would feel slightly
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That screen time has been what
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an escape from, and now we're
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becoming screens again entirely
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a struggle within me because I'm
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benefits of discoverability and
I understand the power of it,

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but I'm also conscious that the
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was is because it wasn't video.
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I'm guessing that some of you
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some of the statements and
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the other statements.
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browsed it.
I didn't read it word for word.

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Do you want to share what you're
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our audience can hear the same?
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I mean, I say devil's advocate
agent of chaos in discussions

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like this 'cause I figure
everyone needs someone to very

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politely tell them.
What if what you say isn't true?

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to caution with when it gets

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close to defining what
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to make sure that we kind of
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wait around in the broader
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And the biggest one for me that
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before we get into this
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remember that Road has just
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times a platform that provides
an easy solution for people to

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create a video podcast.
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the intro of this very diary,
the CEO looking set, they

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mentioned that Road is a company
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podcasters to create video much
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So yes, Ashley has said it is,
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I don't think it is.
I think it's they've waited this

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long to create a podcast
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but the conversation will
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whether video is a thing that's
important or not and sharing

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opinions about whether video is
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Understanding that there is
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edited this with an incentive
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that enables them to do video
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Those are the 2 main things I
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conversation with.
But I don't want to be a Debbie

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Downer, right?
Yeah, I think it's important.

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It's a yeah, it's a nice
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I, I agree with you.
I don't look at it as a

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marketing campaign, but at the
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of podcasts out there are
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efforts of a business or an
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So of course that would be the
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One last thing, someone who was
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just there, Miff Warhurst, She
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she pushes hard for audio as an
audio only medium in the broader

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context of this conversation.
So there is equal representation

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for whatever comes up as a
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I think they've generationally
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school radio as well as went to

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sleep in their bedrooms in high
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Kind of thing.
So anyway, sorry I'm pulling us

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too far away.
Get us started.

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Thank you, Matt.
Let's dig into this.

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So one of the first things that
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think was part of a conversation
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When we first played the clip or
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other, the quote was podcasting
would never have become what

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it's become if it was video
because the whole shift to

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podcasting, the passion for it,
the interest was that it was an

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antidote to video.
I'll go here first.

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Do you agree that podcasting
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video?
And if so, why?

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Go ahead, Ashley I.
Think I agree with that.

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I think when I think about the
the history of podcasting, I

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think that it video wasn't
always as accessible and now

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that it is, that's part of the
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Yeah, I'm with you there.
I mean, that really struck me.

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I guess, you know, first I'll
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this, this person, Rachel has
been around for a while, maybe

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just the introduction of
podcasting to her wasn't 20

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years ago.
Maybe it was 10 years ago.

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I don't.
I'm just making up a number

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because 20 years ago, yes, there
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podcasting.
And if you were around 20 years

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ago, you know, Internet was not
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and it couldn't handle video the
way it can handle it now in

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multiple ways, right?
Live streaming was not as good

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quality and it was more sparse.
I don't know right, like I'm

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trying to think of the right
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People weren't using it yet as
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Yes, of course YouTube was
around, but not 20, not 20 years

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ago, I don't think, but close.
And people podcasting was an

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audio thing.
I mean, that's what the whole

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RSS feed is all about.
And funny that James Cridlin is

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here because I know we talked
about RSS and podcasting 2 point

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OA little while back when he
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But yeah, I found that is to be
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Even having something like Zoom
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The closest thing we had back
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my Co host was Skype and that
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communication tool.
Yeah, it that that one kind of

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struck me a little bit.
I just want to make sure I

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didn't miss anybody.
Did anyone want to say

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something?
Go ahead, Alex.

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That has to be the most ignorant
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ever heard.
Without a doubt.

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It is so pretentious and
uninformed it doesn't make any

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sense.
The reason why video is so not

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important but so forward is
exactly what you said.

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It's the technology and people
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world has become a lot smaller.
You look at something like.

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The War of the Worlds.
To Tiananmen Square to what we

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are dealing with now with, with
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The world's become smaller
because of technology and

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there's so many people pushing
the limits because of it.

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I mean, what are we listening?
We're on a we're on a phone,

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most of us that has more
circuits than the than the

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Apollo program had.
You can do so much with this

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technology.
Everybody's just pushing the

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limit.
It was going to happen either.

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Way.
Thank you, Alex, and I do want

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to say, Rachel, I think in that
clip does say, like I said, when

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after we played it, I think
there are some things that she

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said that was that were spot on.
This one.

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I'm more in your camp.
I just don't agree that that's

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how and why podcasting started.
And Matt, did you want to share

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also this context that you
shared in the chat?

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Just to say that her perspective
for me when she said anything

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about audio trumping video in
any context and especially the

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clip shared there, the fact that
she heads the podcast division

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of a radio based company and
James May come in being the

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resident Australian essentially
at this point.

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Nova being a radio company for a
long time.

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I still remember Nova being one
of the early FM radio stations

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that was breaking through in
Australia in the early 2000s.

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I think with that kind of
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radio background someone saying
that podcasts came about as a

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fight for video.
But I think the context there

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may not be video podcasting, it
might be fighting television,

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and it's an opinion that they
run all the way to the end zone

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and into the car park just to
bring to the conversation their

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background.
So with a strong radio

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background, I think that's
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might temper the strength with
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that.
But yeah, spot on so far that

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the context changes frequently
and you just have to keep

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updating your own context and
your own views based on how the

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world changes.
Thank you, Matt.

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And that does kind of put it in
a little more perspective.

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And it's still, if you are in
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think you got to, pardon me, you
got to feel you got to be a

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little more informed when you're
going to make a bold statement.

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Like podcasting would never have
become what it's become if it

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was video.
Nick, I think you wanted to say

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something.
Go ahead.

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I somewhat agree with what she's
saying because if someone didn't

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come and kind of break audio
away from video and make it its

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own thing, we wouldn't have
podcasts.

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We just have a video.
And I think the fact that it

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kind of became its own category
lended itself to growth.

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Like in a way, it almost got the
the treatment where at least

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when I got into podcast, he was
like, oh, you're so funny.

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You go start a podcast.
Or like people just joke about

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starting a podcast as if, yeah,
right, Like I'm not going to do

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that.
And then as it got more serious,

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people started them on the
bandwagon.

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But in a way, had they not
started doing audio only, I

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don't even think we'd be having
a discussion because it's there

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would be the allure to have a
quote UN quote podcast.

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And it became glorified
throughout the years after it

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has been involving.
Yeah.

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But as as a whole, I don't agree
with the statement, but I I do

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see some validity in what she
said.

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OK, that's fair.
I appreciate that and let's keep

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it moving.
Go to Chris.

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Chris joined us on stage during
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So let's see what he wants to
say.

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Chris Faglio, good morning to
you.

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Looking forward to seeing you.
Are you coming in today or

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tomorrow?
I am coming in today.

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Awesome jersey at my flight
leaves at 2:15.

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Awesome, can't wait to see ya.
Yeah, me too, man.

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It's, it's been a, it's been
over a year since.

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I yeah, exactly.
Very excited for this.

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So I listened to the clip.
I agree with Nick there.

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There's some points there.
I think everybody in this room

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is is pretty much of the age or
at least remembers MTV right

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before MTV, bands didn't really
do music videos.

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They did some promo stuff and
fun things and if they're on a

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live show or whatever and they
would clip videos from that or

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they would make quote UN quote
little music films, you know, on

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on a song.
But there was really no outlet

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for that because no one cared at
that time.

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Then MTV comes along and they're
like, hey, music videos.

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And now all of a sudden, all the
bands that had anything like

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that that does why MTV was full
of that stuff and that's all

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they played for a while because
really no one was making music

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videos.
And that's why you only saw like

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the same, you know, 60 to 80
like music videos on MTV in the

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early days.
And but it pushed then that it

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changed the entire music
industry to say, well, we got to

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make music videos.
It's like a music video is now a

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vehicle promotion for the record
for the single.

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And there's an outlet for that.
And very much the evolution of

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podcasting to me is exactly it.
I mean, I, you know, some of you

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guys know me.
I'm I've been a video guy my

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whole life.
I mean, that's, you know, I grew

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up a filmmaker.
I went to film school.

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I started a video conferencing
and I've always been video, you

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know, but I, I also started off
on college radio.

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And so to me, for me, it was
very natural to do quote UN

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quote, a video podcast, which I
saw Sid put it in there.

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Mark and I, you talked you and I
talked about this on my podcast

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a year ago, the word podcasting,
you know, just because of the

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iPod, it became very like
democratic way of saying, Hey,

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anybody can create.
If you've got something to say

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on any side of the spectrum, if
you've got entertainment, if

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you've got a show, whatever it
is, you can produce it make up.

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And Apple was more than happy to
oblige because they wanted

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content for their iPod and their
iTunes store.

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And over the years it evolved
and then video became much more

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easily accessible and much more
easy to do.

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The phones and everything.
The technology became cheaper

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and easier to do.
And so to me, it just seems like

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a completely natural
progression.

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00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,760
And you have to have audio with
video to make it work anyway.

451
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,440
And so I think that what's great
is that video serves a segment

452
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,720
of the audience that really
loves visual, right?

453
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,040
They go on YouTube like I do and
they watch stuff and whether

454
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,960
they're watching it or putting
on in the background, it's still

455
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,720
playing or listen.
If you like audio, then great,

456
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,440
then you could listen to it in
your car or wherever you listen

457
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,840
to it.
So I think it's a great natural

458
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,640
progression to have the two and
you know, that's just, that's

459
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,080
where it's going and it's
probably only going to be, it's

460
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,000
only going to keep going more
and more that way.

461
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,400
So anyway, that's kind of my, my
$0.02 on it.

462
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,800
I'm a little jiggly just cuz,
you know, of course I am a video

463
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,360
guy, but I think that it just
makes sense to me that this is

464
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,280
where it's all going.
And I think to kind of keep

465
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,080
looking backwards and being
like, well, this broke that or

466
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,560
that it's just, it's no, let's
all be forward thinking.

467
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,600
Let's embrace that technology
and let's make it work for our

468
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,320
audience, right?
How is our audience love to

469
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,680
consume what we make, right?
Because it should always be

470
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,080
audience first, not what other
podcasters think.

471
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,000
It's what our audience thinks.
Unless your audience is other

472
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,120
podcasters, right?
And that's what you're.

473
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,640
But if your audience isn't that,
then it's like, what do they

474
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,040
like?
What, how do they want you to

475
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,800
show up?
You know, that's the, that

476
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,720
should always be the, the, the
question to ask first and then

477
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,920
make your decision from there.
So that's it.

478
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,720
That's my two cents.
Looking forward to seeing

479
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,600
everybody.
Thank you, Chris.

480
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,880
Safe travels and feel free to
hang around here in the

481
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,200
meantime.
Appreciate your take.

482
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,560
And I want to go to Jonathan who
have been teasing.

483
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,320
I know that he's been very
opinionated about this clip.

484
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,760
So I think that her statement is
completely absurd.

485
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,200
I do not understand where she's
coming from unless it's just

486
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,800
nostalgia.
If she's just got this nostalgic

487
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,640
opinion, a podcast, then OK, But
it can't be an informed opinion

488
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,800
in my opinion because, well,
let's start with the fact that

489
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,040
audio existed before video.
Audio was always there.

490
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,800
It wasn't a pushback against
video.

491
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,800
It was always there.
There was radio stations, there

492
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,440
was, you know, it was, that's
just part of things that

493
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,200
happened.
So audio was always there.

494
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,960
It's not a push against video,
and I think it's just the way

495
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,800
that things are going.
However, there's also going to

496
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,360
be things that are going to
reach back into audio and be

497
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:23,000
audio only.
We've got things like, I'm going

498
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,520
to say it because, you know, I'm
the big Taylor Swift fan.

499
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,120
She's got a freaking video movie
coming out for the launch of her

500
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,480
album.
There's one music video in it

501
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:38,320
and the rest are all just audio,
like audio content in this movie

502
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,880
that she's pushing into movie
theaters.

503
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,680
So we've got to look at things.
There's there's just how people

504
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,560
are consuming it.
We've got to meet those needs.

505
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,200
I just don't think there's any
way to say it's a push against.

506
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,800
It was a push against video.
That's what it made it so

507
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,080
strong.
I completely agree and I

508
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,560
actually wanted to say something
also about something Chris was

509
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,880
sharing a moment ago.
It just sparked a thought

510
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,960
listening to everything Chris
had to say.

511
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,920
And in my opinion, video, when
it becomes as easy and

512
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,640
affordable as audio, I think
that's when the real

513
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,200
conversations are going to begin
about video taking over the

514
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,320
podcasting space.
I don't think it will ever

515
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,840
really become a video first
platform, podcasting

516
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:33,400
specifically, until it's as easy
to do, it's as affordable to do

517
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,880
as audio.
And I don't believe that audio

518
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,080
is ever going to go away.
I'm not saying that I think

519
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,800
there will always be a place in
with audio, just like there is

520
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,280
when we compare radio and
television.

521
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,760
There will always be that.
Yeah, go ahead, Jonathan.

522
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,720
Until people are as comfortable
showing their face on video as

523
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,720
they are sharing their voice on
audio.

524
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,840
And that's a long way away.
I hear you and I agree with you.

525
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,040
I think showing up on camera is
more intimidating to the average

526
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,400
person then showing up on audio.
And almost all of the people

527
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,480
that I get started with, the
clients that I work with

528
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,080
hesitate because one of the
reasons being they hate the

529
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,920
sound of their voice, right.
So whether it's you hate how you

530
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,680
sound, hate how you look, we
judge ourselves a lot, a lot of

531
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,360
us do.
So I think that there's, you

532
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,880
know, there, there is that
comparison there and maybe

533
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,720
showing up on videos a little
stronger of of an intimidation

534
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,040
factor.
But I think I think they're

535
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,800
pretty close in my opinion, from
what I've come across.

536
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,960
All right, there was another
statement made that she said,

537
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,560
she said it has the same feeling
as reading a book podcasting

538
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,920
does.
If I said to you, I spent my

539
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,320
whole Sunday afternoon listening
to podcasts, I would feel like

540
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,760
that was a break.
If I said to you, I've spent my

541
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,680
whole Sunday afternoon watching
YouTube, I would feel slightly

542
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,520
guilty about it.
So what do we think?

543
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,800
Is podcast listening more
nourishing than binge watching

544
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,960
video?
I mean, yeah, Jonathan, I'll,

545
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,120
I'll go back to you.
Go ahead.

546
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,240
No, I think it comes down to the
person.

547
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,720
What do they enjoy more?
I mean, honestly, yeah.

548
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,920
I mean, I like watching YouTube
videos.

549
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,120
I don't feel guilty because it's
stuff I picked.

550
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,120
I chose to watch it so I don't
know.

551
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,320
And I think it's, I feel like
it's just individual to the

552
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,600
person and how they want to
spend their time and what they

553
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,120
deem to be quality time on an
individual basis to sort of how

554
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,960
I see it, but.
Yeah, thanks Chris.

555
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,320
And that actually just made me
connect with my own consumption

556
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,280
and for some reason I hadn't
pieced this together until now.

557
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:49,440
I think that I go whatever it is
I podcasting or whatever, I

558
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,680
think I'm searching YouTube
before I am say, Apple podcast

559
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,760
or Spotify.
If I want to find a podcast, I

560
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,360
think I go to the video first.
Just surprises me actually.

561
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,880
So I guess I'm more attracted to
it than I thought.

562
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,360
So I'm not going to necessarily
feel guilty about it.

563
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,120
If I'm all day listening to
podcasting, I'm not judging

564
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,760
myself as much.
If I if I were to have to tell

565
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,600
somebody, like she said, if I
were to have to say to somebody,

566
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,440
yeah, I just spent all day
listening to podcasts or even

567
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,840
watching podcasts for that
matter.

568
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,400
But let's just for this
argument, listening to podcasts,

569
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,000
I wouldn't feel guilty about
that.

570
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,960
But if I said to them, I'm I was
on YouTube all day, it feels

571
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,120
like almost the same as me
saying like I was scrolling

572
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,160
TikTok all day.
So.

573
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,840
What's the purpose for doing
that?

574
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,600
Like that's the thing that I
didn't understand.

575
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,400
Like if I was watching YouTube
all day to learn something, then

576
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,760
great.
I learned that thing that I

577
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,880
needed to learn.
I watch YouTube all day.

578
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,760
I listen to podcasts all day to
learn something great.

579
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,160
That's what I did to learned
something that day.

580
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,640
Like I don't understand where
the Oh my God I feel guilty

581
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,120
about this is coming from.
If you had a purpose doing it,

582
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,400
If I didn't have a purpose to
listen to podcasts all day, then

583
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,000
I'd feel guilty doing it 'cause
I was probably have to do

584
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,480
something else or was supposed
to be doing something else.

585
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,920
Like I don't understand that
connection there.

586
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,360
It seemed a little.
Bizarre.

587
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,840
OK, well, Jonathan is delivering
just as promised with his strong

588
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,400
opinions.
I appreciate it, Jonathan.

589
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,840
And Sid, I want to come to you.
Oh, good.

590
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,720
Yeah, he just raised his hand as
I was going to say that because

591
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,920
I know you are both an avid
podcast listener and reader.

592
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,760
So let's hear from you and then
we're going to check in with

593
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,800
Nick.
Go ahead, Sid.

594
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,000
So I heard that part of the clip
and I think about it and I think

595
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,280
everybody's bringing up some
very interesting points.

596
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,840
And we talked about this the
other day, like have a position,

597
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,080
share position to be able to
defend your position.

598
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,720
And I see that happening this
morning, everybody sharing their

599
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,560
thoughts and justifying why they
believe what they believe.

600
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,080
But when I heard her say that in
the clip, it actually really

601
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,320
resonated with me because I am a
active reader.

602
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,240
And after I read something,
whether it's a business book or

603
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,400
a non fiction book or whatever,
I mean, I have a sense of

604
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,800
accomplishment because it is
part of my goal to, you know, my

605
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,080
goal is actually to read 30
minutes a day.

606
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,920
And so, you know, I just have
this sense of accomplishment,

607
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,560
but I also have the same feeling
after I get off here with you

608
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,480
guys, the first thing I do is
turn on my podcast player and

609
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,159
didn't finish listening to 1 I
started yesterday or scroll

610
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:32,120
through my what feels like
endless following and listen to

611
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,800
another one.
And I have a sense of

612
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,480
accomplishment and completion in
doing it.

613
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,600
So for me, it does resonate with
me.

614
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:45,800
Listening to a podcast feels
very similar to reading because

615
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,199
I'm going to associate watching
YouTube to what you just said,

616
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,600
Mark, which is like watching 3
hours worth of TikTok.

617
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,400
If I spend more than 3045
minutes on TikTok, I'm like

618
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,400
said, what the hell are you
doing?

619
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,680
I could be learning things,
right?

620
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,440
I could be learning things,
could be consuming news, but I

621
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,480
probably have the same reaction
if I spent 45 minutes randomly

622
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,800
scrolling YouTube.
If I was intentional and I went

623
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,320
to YouTube like I did in the
very beginning to your earlier

624
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,880
comment, the University of
YouTube and typed in how do you

625
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,800
start a podcast?
I probably spent hours consuming

626
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,240
video, but I was very
intentional of what I wanted to

627
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,640
consume, not just randomly
scrolling.

628
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,080
So for me it the comment about
reading and listening does is a

629
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,720
parallel for me, yes.
Thank you.

630
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:34,160
I have a question.
I have a question, Sid, When you

631
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,840
read, you actually read a book
or do you listen to it?

632
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,360
So that depends on the book,
Alex, but 90% of the time I'm

633
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,920
reading and for you guys that
are readers, I actually have to

634
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,680
have the book.
I want the book.

635
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,400
Even if I listen to the book, I
buy the book.

636
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,480
This is a obsession.
I'm going to have a library one

637
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,960
day.
I think I really like the

638
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,160
physical book and I prefer to
actually read.

639
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,120
And there are some books like
Mel Robbins Let Them Theory that

640
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,360
I started reading and then I
heard somebody say something

641
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,360
about the audio book and I
switched to the audio book.

642
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,120
And I'm really glad I did
because the audio book was

643
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,080
spectacular.
It was like a podcast because

644
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,320
the way she was talking to you,
the tone of her voice, I mean,

645
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,800
it just felt like I was
listening to her on a podcast,

646
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,840
so.
Without all of the commercials

647
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,280
that she plays.
Yeah, correct.

648
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,920
Oh my God, 7 minutes for real.
I preferred the actual physical

649
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,040
book.
I'm not a reader like you are,

650
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,760
but I do listen to a lot of
audio books and I think that has

651
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,360
something to be said for your
perspective versus someone that

652
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,640
just is looking for that, that's
used to just getting their

653
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,520
content via YouTube or via the
Internet or whatever.

654
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,640
I, I know there's, there's some
kind of correlation.

655
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,000
I just think it's kind of neat.
So I have a follow up question

656
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,320
for you.
If the book was being read on

657
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,560
YouTube, would you watch it?
I would listen to it.

658
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,360
I love the radio and and that's
the thing, I love audio.

659
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,080
I really do think the spoken
word is important thing for

660
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,960
someone like me.
Reading is never is, is always

661
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,960
going to be challenging.
So for me, what you do is like

662
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,640
nails on a chalkboard because I
just, I, I can't sit down and

663
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,200
read because of my dyslexia.
I was just going to say that,

664
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:22,840
Alex.
Yeah.

665
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,200
I mean, yeah, as a as a fellow
neurodivergent, yeah, I get it.

666
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,040
It can be really challenging to
sit down with a book, especially

667
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,560
I I don't have dyslexia and I
can imagine that being really

668
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,120
challenging.
Since there is more content on

669
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,120
video and people are looking for
those quick dopamine hits,

670
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,240
that's why the tide is maybe
turned.

671
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,840
Maybe that's why we have the
reactions that we have.

672
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,680
Thank you, Alex.
Thank you, Sid.

673
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,960
Sid give me just a one or the
other if you had to cause

674
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,240
earlier we did the if you had to
choose YouTube or audio

675
00:37:55,240 --> 00:38:00,320
podcasting, I want to know only
books or only podcasts.

676
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,440
That is an unfair question.
And on the protection of my

677
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Fifth Amendment rights, I'm
going to decline to answer that.

678
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,120
That's a really hard question,
Mark.

679
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,680
That's actually an unfair
question, 'cause we're talking

680
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,560
about video and I'm talking
about books.

681
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,560
Well, we are talking about books
'cause she said it.

682
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,240
It's a really unfair question.
So I would choose reading.

683
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,880
I would choose reading because
you can just get immersed in a

684
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,400
story.
And I read my first Kristen

685
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,760
Hannah book.
If you're a reader, you know,

686
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,040
probably know who she is.
I read my first Kristen Hannah

687
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,040
book a few weeks ago and I just
was like sucked into this World

688
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,840
War two-story and these two
women and their lives and yeah,

689
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,200
it's just so immersive.
It's like watching ATV show, but

690
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,640
you're reading it kind of thing.
And so I would honestly choose

691
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,440
reading because I can read
historical fiction.

692
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,560
I can read, you know, business
books.

693
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:58,560
I would choose read.
I just like, and here's the

694
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,480
thing, I used to hate reading.
Like I avoided it by the plague.

695
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,920
And then I started traveling.
And I don't know how long ago

696
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,080
this.
So I started traveling and one

697
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,280
day I just grabbed a book and I
started reading.

698
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,040
I remember being on a plane one
time and what, I don't even know

699
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,640
what book it was, but this book
was hysterical and I'm laughing

700
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,200
out loud and we landed and the
guy sitting across the aisle for

701
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,440
me, he said, I have never
watched somebody read a book and

702
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,040
laugh as much as you did.
And it's a really good, it's a

703
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,440
really good book.
It's really funny.

704
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,760
So I would I would choose to
immerse myself in a book.

705
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,600
That's fascinating to me.
I'd have never read a book,

706
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,960
although I don't read a lot of
books and the type of books

707
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,680
maybe don't invoke it, but I
don't know that I've ever really

708
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,520
laughed out loud or really
expressed any emotion out loud

709
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,320
from reading a book.
And I know people do.

710
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,960
I'm just saying it's interesting
to me 'cause I haven't.

711
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,640
Nick, you wanted to add
something.

712
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,440
Go ahead.
It's all the.

713
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:03,120
Stigma that people put on the
different platforms and people

714
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,280
feel self-conscious about it
because of that.

715
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,760
It's to me if you say, oh I
watch YouTube all day, that's

716
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,360
basically the same as saying,
well I've been to Netflix all

717
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,360
day and people are just assuming
you're vegging out couch potato

718
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,000
fries and popcorn and everything
where?

719
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,880
If you say.
Oh, I listen to podcasts all

720
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,520
day.
People are assuming you're doing

721
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,400
other things while you're
listening to the podcast and

722
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,560
you're not just laying out there
listening to it.

723
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,960
And I think that perspective or
that like mindset thing, like I

724
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,800
agree.
If if I said I watch YouTube all

725
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,640
day, I'm I'm thinking, oh man,
do I sound like I'm a piece of

726
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,960
trash, Like I just didn't do
anything all day.

727
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,200
But the stigma that we put on
it, it's not fair.

728
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,400
I don't think it's necessarily
right, but I get it.

729
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,920
Yeah, I I'm with you there.
That feeling guilt that she

730
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,560
said, you know, if I've spent my
whole Sunday afternoon watching

731
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,840
YouTube, I would feel slightly
guilty about it.

732
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,000
Yeah, I think you're right.
And Jonathan touched on it too.

733
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,560
I think that sometimes that kind
of statement really is us,

734
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,280
ourselves judging ourselves,
right?

735
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,400
Or it's a fear of what we think
others, how we think others will

736
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,120
judge us.
But really what's most important

737
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,360
is how did we use it?
What?

738
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,760
And was that the intention of
how we used that platform?

739
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,320
That's all that matters.
It really everything else is

740
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,880
just noise and worrying about
what others think isn't going to

741
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,640
get you very far.
I saw something in the chat

742
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,040
Renee had said, let me see here,
Renee.

743
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,360
It was something Nick, you had
agreed.

744
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,760
Ah, here it was.
I think you had agreed with

745
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,280
something that she had just
said.

746
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,000
Do you know what I'm referring
to?

747
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,480
I think it was the YouTube
experts recommends more of what

748
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,280
I'm watching.
This algorithm is better than

749
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,000
podcast recommendations, which
are not so good.

750
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,680
Yes, that is it.
Thank you.

751
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,880
I was, I couldn't find it.
Yeah, I'm.

752
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,800
I'm with you there too, Renee.
YouTube expertly recommends more

753
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,040
of what she's watching and their
algorithm is a lot better than

754
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,840
the podcast platforms.
Yeah, that it's very true.

755
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,640
And that's actually Renee,
probably why I now I'm making

756
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,960
that connection again.
When I said, oh, I'm surprised.

757
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,800
I actually do think I use
YouTube more when it comes to

758
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,280
finding and catching podcasts.
I think that's probably it for

759
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,120
me is that I know that YouTube
delivers more of what I want,

760
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,320
whether I'm looking for it or
not.

761
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,320
So I think that has the big
that's a big factor to consider.

762
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:32,000
I'm going to go to you Dr. for a
second, DRI.

763
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,080
We have a few more points about
this clip, but at the same time,

764
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,920
I know we have a couple of other
clips.

765
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,600
Where do you think we should go?
Should we keep digging in here

766
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,240
or should we play one of the
other clips?

767
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,800
I like the power clip.
OK.

768
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,040
Can you play that one?
I can play the power clip.

769
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,320
So this is another clip.
And do you know, is this more of

770
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,960
it's from the same podcast, but
is this more of Rachel or is

771
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,240
this somebody else?
I think this is someone else

772
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,240
actually.
OK, I will play.

773
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,000
It to detect the voices.
OK, I'll play it and then we

774
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,000
will check it out.
The listener holds all the

775
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:05,560
power.
Yeah.

776
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,400
I mean, I've had messages before
when when I ran ads that that

777
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,600
the audience didn't think
aligned with who I was or what

778
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,280
they thought the show was.
And we've removed the ads.

779
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,480
And it doesn't happen on radio.
On TV.

780
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,080
You're not going to call up and
demand that an ad gets removed

781
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,120
and you can lobby.
It can happen.

782
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,400
It just it's not going to get
removed on a podcast.

783
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,160
I've done it many times.
Or I'm held accountable for my

784
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,040
audience for things that I've
said on the show or things in

785
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,760
old episodes in the back catalog
from 4-5 years ago that they go,

786
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,560
you know, you said this and you
go.

787
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,840
Wow, like the?
Audience in podcasts holds a lot

788
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,120
of the power.
All right, so Dr. talk to me,

789
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,320
tell me a little bit why this
one captured your attention and

790
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:46,040
where you want to go with that.
In light of current events, the

791
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,320
power of the word, the power of
what you say, things that you

792
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,960
might have said 20 years ago,
you know, you people evolved as

793
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,680
a person you might be in total
and complete, you know, 180 turn

794
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,040
from where you are, what where
you were then.

795
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,520
So how much accountability
should podcasters accepts the

796
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:13,440
things they said years ago,
given how values and contexts

797
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,080
shift over time?
Oh, Jonathan wants to chime in

798
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,880
on that.
I will bite my tongue.

799
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,280
Go ahead, Jonathan A. 100%
accountability.

800
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,160
But that doesn't mean that you
have to be.

801
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,320
It doesn't mean that you have to
stand by what you said 20 years

802
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,880
ago.
You say, yeah, I said that 20

803
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,440
years ago.
I was a different person.

804
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,640
Things change.
Here's what I believe now.

805
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,760
But you, you are 100%
accountable for the things you

806
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:43,080
say, especially publicly, and
you should be I I don't see a

807
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,880
reason why people wouldn't be
100% accountable for the things

808
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,880
that they say.
This thank you, Jonathan.

809
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,280
And this reminds me a little bit
of something that was in the

810
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,800
news not that long ago when
Kevin Hart was getting grilled

811
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,680
because of a statement he had
made something like 15 years

812
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,920
prior and was and was under the
gun about that back 15 years

813
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,560
ago.
And then it somehow resurfaced

814
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,200
and he had to deal with it all
over again.

815
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,400
And I respect really how he
dealt with it 'cause I, the way

816
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,840
I remember this story, he
basically said, listen, I've

817
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,640
already shared my, my regrets,
my apologies, my statements

818
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,600
about that thing that I said and
I'm only focusing now on moving

819
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,480
forward.
And that seemed to shut things

820
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,440
up and shut things down.
That surprised me that it shut

821
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:37,520
things down because social media
as a medium, it just, they just

822
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,280
keep rolling with it.
I mean, there's always these,

823
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,240
what do they call them?
Keyboard warriors, keyboard

824
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,160
Cowboys, trolls that want to
keep it going, that want to keep

825
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,680
poking the bear.
Yep, that is true.

826
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:56,680
And I think I've come to learn
you know these things when they

827
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,640
happen like the the couple that
were allegedly cheating at the

828
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,400
Coldplay concert, right?
It comes in hard and fast and

829
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,680
strong, but if you can ride it
out it eventually it dies out

830
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,120
and it feels like it dies out
relatively quickly.

831
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,120
Like that thing probably that
reference I just made that was

832
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,480
probably lasted about 3 or 4
weeks of some intense Internet

833
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,280
content, but then it really all
of a sudden went away.

834
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,320
This is a really fascinating
area to go down.

835
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,640
And OK, I saw, I think Alex.
You are hit the nail on the head

836
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,320
because we have everything on
tape or we can recall stuff.

837
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,600
Yes, to Jonathan's point, I'm,
I'm 100% you have to take

838
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,360
accountability for what you say.
But at the same time, you also,

839
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,880
people have to also understand
the context at which things are

840
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,360
done.
And I think that's the biggest

841
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,800
problem to, you know, to roll a
clip of somebody in their worst

842
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,960
moment and you don't have the
context before and after that.

843
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,920
Yeah, it makes them look bad or
good.

844
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,200
And even if they were bad, I
mean, Time magazine, you know,

845
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,040
they don't wait.
They weren't looking good when

846
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,840
they put Hitler on the on the
cover, you know, but as a man of

847
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,600
the year, I mean, that's the
ultimate thing.

848
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,880
But times were different that
and, and now, you know, there's

849
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,520
not a lot of forgiveness.
And I think that's the problem.

850
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,640
People have changed because they
don't want to forgive.

851
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,720
They don't want to have contacts
and we're in a gotcha mentality.

852
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,200
And the problem I see is it's
not if it's when it's going to

853
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,560
come to you.
So if you're going to be, if

854
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,000
you're going to have the guts
to, to come up to the mic and

855
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,840
make an opinion, you better be
able to defend it.

856
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,800
But also you have to be able to
tell people that you're growing

857
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,880
with it.
I mean, there are some things

858
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,880
that are just like if you want
to call it ultimate sins kind of

859
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,240
thing.
But at the same time, people

860
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,640
have positions all the time and
and they get them wrong.

861
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,880
And hopefully you can convince
people that you have

862
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,520
forgiveness, or in that case of
the Coldplay thing, it just dies

863
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,560
away.
Yeah, I think that there's a

864
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,480
point there in there where we
evolve as people, our opinions

865
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,000
change over time.
I often let me take that back.

866
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,560
I every so often I think about
my old show that, you know, what

867
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,160
I consider was a pretty
successful show.

868
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,960
I was a different person back
then.

869
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,960
I started that show well over 10
years ago at this point.

870
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,800
I can't even.
I got to go back and look, but.

871
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,600
And I know I was a different
person.

872
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,200
I know I had different opinions
and different beliefs and that

873
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,520
those are out there and that and
it lives out there.

874
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:37,320
And where I'm going with that is
yeah.

875
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,280
But what every so often, I can't
say I worry, but I question

876
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,720
maybe do I want to take that,
some of that stuff down?

877
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,960
Because I have no idea really
what I said and what might

878
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,760
offend people today that didn't
offend them ten years ago.

879
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,800
I think over time people do
soften.

880
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,080
I mean, you know, the the
example I gave of Kevin Hart is

881
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,840
maybe an exception because if we
look at other content that's out

882
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,480
there on other platforms, old TV
shows, right?

883
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,800
The one that came to mind to me
just now, which again dates me,

884
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,680
so it is all in the family, the
Archie Bunker show.

885
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,440
And that was the joke of the
show, too.

886
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,040
But he was bigoted.
He was racist.

887
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,000
You know, he hated anybody that
wasn't like him and he made it

888
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,280
very clear.
But the people that were on that

889
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,800
show, nobody's coming after them
today saying how horrible they

890
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,960
are, right?
Yeah, because some people can

891
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,040
get away with the ultimate sin
and saying those things because

892
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,160
they that is who they are and
that is what they believe and

893
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,560
they stand so strongly on that
that nobody goes against them.

894
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,280
So in all honesty, if you
believe what you're saying, you

895
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,800
have the ability to stand up on
that and say that.

896
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,960
And you know, people are going
to disagree with you, but

897
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,280
they're not going to come at you
because that's who you are.

898
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,320
And I think that's something
that's really important to

899
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,120
remember if if you believe in
something as awful as it might

900
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,320
be, I mean, there's a lot of
things that were said by people

901
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,720
recently that I'm like sitting
there going, I can't believe

902
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:14,200
these things are being said, but
they're getting away with it

903
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,800
because they're those people and
there's people that support them

904
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,720
and believe them and that's what
they're known for.

905
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,200
So, you know, yes, there's
ultimate sin sort of things that

906
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,520
people say, but there's a lot of
people that get away with it

907
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,000
because that's what they
believe.

908
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,280
Thank you, Jonathan.
And I'm going to check back in

909
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,560
or not back in, check in for the
first time set back because

910
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,920
we've been talking about her in
the chat.

911
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,800
Renee is on stage.
Good morning to you, Renee.

912
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,200
What did?
I'm going to give you the last

913
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,640
word.
I'll make this real quick

914
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,840
because I know we're shutting
down here, but with regards to

915
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,480
watching Archie Bunker, I may be
one of the oldest in this room

916
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,960
here.
And I remember watching that,

917
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,840
as, you know, somebody in
elementary school, and I just

918
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,320
might be.
Sid.

919
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,240
Sid just gave her the thumbs
down, implying that he's the

920
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:01,360
oldest.
Maybe we'll have to find out if.

921
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,880
Ever.
We might have to find.

922
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,680
We might have time.
Dr. might have a say in that

923
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,440
too.
OK, go ahead, Renee.

924
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,040
Well, anyways, I was, you know,
watching it as a youngster,

925
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,560
probably 7th, 8th grade,
elementary school, and and I

926
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,800
looked at it as shaping me as
who I am because I looked at the

927
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,360
audacity of the things that was
coming out of his mouth and

928
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,920
everything.
So me, it was a spotlight shown

929
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,600
on him as unacceptable.
It was laughed at in my

930
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,680
household.
Like, Can you believe somebody

931
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,840
could be this way?
So it was not a thumbs up.

932
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,480
Yeah.
These are great things that he's

933
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,800
saying.
Yeah, I agree with them.

934
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:44,480
It was a spotlight shown on the
stupidity of it and the two

935
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,120
people living the the son-in-law
and daughter-in-law living in

936
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,120
the household were the ones that
were calling him out on it.

937
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,040
They were embarrassed by it.
And so I believe I give credit

938
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:01,120
to that to helping shape me to
not be a bigot and to realize

939
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,600
skin color means nothing.
And what people, I look at the

940
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,400
person and their actions, and
that's what I accept.

941
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,320
And I learned that from that
show.

942
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,240
So that's what I got out of it
from my age group.

943
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,240
Thank you, Renee.
And yeah, it's such a good

944
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:17,640
point.
And what I'm now realizing is

945
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,560
maybe that was not a great
example what I threw out there.

946
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,800
And maybe somebody or a show
like the Howard Stern Show might

947
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,080
be more appropriate in the
example I gave because, you

948
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,120
know, he used to, he used to be
a lot more raw and raunchy than

949
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,080
he is today.
And I think that he that's a

950
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,800
very intentional move.
I think he wanted to steer away

951
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,960
from that.
Is he still somewhat of a shock

952
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,400
jock?
OK, sure.

953
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,440
I I'll give him that.
And he's not the same guy

954
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,960
anymore.
And he'd, I don't think he wants

955
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,800
to be identified as that guy
anymore.

956
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,960
I don't think he's, I don't
think he's ashamed of it, but I

957
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,240
think he wants to evolve and
move on.

958
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:59,960
And I think for the most part,
his audience has accepted that.

959
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,640
Some of them don't like it
because they want the old

960
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,600
raunchy Howard Stern, but I
think for the most part, his

961
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,520
audience respects the decision.
And the ones that don't left.

962
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,120
Yeah.
Sid Go.

963
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,960
Ahead, thank you.
So First off, Renee, always

964
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,120
appreciate your insights.
But I can guarantee you that Dr.

965
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,400
is older than you because she's
older than me and I'm just a

966
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,160
little bit younger than her.
So let's just leave it there.

967
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,840
Yes, you have.
So.

968
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,720
What I was going to say, Mark,
is we can save this for another

969
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:40,160
day, but the part of the clip
that you played that we totally

970
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:45,640
ignored was the purpose of the
clip, which is the power of the

971
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,440
audience, the power of the
listener.

972
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,760
And I think we should, just
should explore that.

973
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,320
And because I believe that our
listeners and our audience,

974
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,360
especially those that hit play
every week or every day,

975
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,960
whatever your cadence is, have a
lot of power.

976
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,160
And I think that's worthy of us
discussing a little bit more.

977
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,400
I love that Sid great tease and
we will do that maybe as soon as

978
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,680
next week.
Let's let's revisit that and

979
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,720
please help me remember that as
well.

980
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,480
And maybe Ashley, please write
that down as well.

981
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,680
One other thing.
Yeah, that's why it's the

982
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:26,000
podcast morning chat and then
not the night chat because we

983
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,880
need to keep it to a certain
time.

984
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,280
I just wanted to let you know
that because when I was doing

985
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,600
the Friday night chat, it wasn't
as successful as it could have

986
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,120
been.
Everybody was asleep and Nick

987
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,520
and Nick was out.
So that's why, including myself,

988
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,520
I was asleep too.
So don't feel like it was it was

989
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,840
any other person.
All of us old farts.

990
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,200
OK, Thank you all for a great
conversation.

991
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,880
We are back tomorrow live from
Charlotte, NC at the Empowered

992
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,560
Podcasting 2 Conference.
I can't believe I'm saying that

993
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,040
out loud right now.
Very excited.

994
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,120
And please join us.
We will be live from there,

995
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,640
sharing what's going on, what
we're looking forward to, what's

996
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,840
gone wrong so far.
No, I shouldn't put that out

997
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,440
there.
But we will share all the

998
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,560
details with you and a lot of
the people that you're hearing

999
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,240
from today will be there live
with me tomorrow.

1000
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:23,040
So please come join the fun.
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1001
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,080
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1002
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,680
your chance to be a small part
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1003
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,000
We would love for you to do
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1004
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,360
So come join us 7:00 AM Eastern,
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1005
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,400
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1006
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,320
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1007
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,440
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1008
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,720
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1009
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,240
Take care, everybody.