329 - Steve from Blue’s Clues is Back with a Podcast for Adults

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Thursday, June 26th,
2025, and today Steve from Blues

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Clues is back, but maybe not how
you'd expect.

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Plus, new moves from Apple and
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Thanks for being here.
Good morning again podcasting,

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morning chat.
Thanks so much for being here.

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I am your host Mark Ronik and on
stage with me currently we have

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Amanda Sharp, producer Ashley
Feller, Dr. Faye, Nick Naulback,

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Sid Meadows and Jonathan Howard.
So today I mentioned at the top

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of the show, Steve from Blues
Blues is back and I'm starting

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to think that this show is
psychic.

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Dr. can attest.
It feels like almost once a week

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now, we bring something up on
the show, a prediction, a

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hypothetical, a scenario, and
within a day or so that

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discussion just comes to
fruition.

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The last one was Gordon
Firemark.

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Exactly.
Gordon Firemark, the trademarks,

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blah blah.
And the very that very same day,

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later on in the afternoon, boom,
he does it.

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An episode on trademarks.
Yeah, it was crazy.

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It was as if we had planned it.
And he, yeah, he put out some

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short form content about it too.
All around.

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Trade marking your podcast name
this week.

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It was Tuesday.
We discussed Steve Burns, the

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original host of Blue's Clues.
And I'm going to play the clip

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for you first and then I'll
explain more on the other side

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of it.
Just kind of staring at the

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camera, maybe looking away a few
times and then looking back and

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nodding their head.
And they're, you know, the guy.

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The original guy from Blue's
Clues was doing that for a

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while.
I don't know if he's still doing

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that and was going viral with it
where when you're on your scroll

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all of a sudden you land on him.
I saw that.

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So interesting.
Yeah.

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He just sits there and listens.
Social, social experiment.

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Really interesting.
People were eating it up.

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I went this morning to his
TikTok and almost every single

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video he posts gets at least 1
million views now.

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He's also over 3,000,000
followers on TikTok.

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And still I see plenty of
accounts with a million or more

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followers that don't
consistently get 1 million or

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more views on their content.
And most of his content is

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exactly how we described it in
that clip from Tuesday where he

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is.
He comes on screen and he'll

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just say something like, hey,
how's it going today?

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And then he just sits back and
looks like he's listening to you

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share how things are going
today.

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And there's usually some
somewhat somber music playing in

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the background, or at least just
slow, peaceful music playing in

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the background as he's
listening.

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And that's the extent of the
clip.

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So we kind of predicted the the
future ish.

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Because it turns out Steve from
Blue's Clues is returning this

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fall with a new podcast for
grown-ups called Alive.

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It's produced by Lemonade of
Media and drawing on that

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curious clue following spirit
that made his children's show

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Blue's Clues so beloved, Steve
will host weekly conversations

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with adult listeners to explore
life's complexities.

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And Steve has been through and
has openly shared, will say his

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complexities in life after
Blue's Clues.

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And I can share a little more
about that in a moment.

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Known for those heartfelt Tik
Toks that I just mentioned and

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comforting presence, Steve wants
to wants this to be one that

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listens back, a podcast that
listens back.

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That's his quote.
The podcast aims to provide an

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emotionally supportive space,
continuing his legacy of

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connection and understanding.
And I have a clip.

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This is under 2 minutes and it's
a clip.

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So I stumbled on his video
talking about this idea on

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TikTok and then I guess he went
to YouTube and made a slightly

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longer version really explaining
what he's going for here.

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I'm going to play it for you and
then I want to talk about this

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concept and Steve from Blue's
Clues.

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So here is the clip.
Hey, alright, OK, thanks for

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meeting me over here.
Here's what I'm thinking.

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So it's basically a societal
requirement at this point that

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everyone has a podcast.
So why don't we have one, you

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and I?
Yeah.

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I mean, it could basically be
what we've always done.

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You and I have always been about
this deep and curious

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investigation of our world in
search of these little bits of

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information that lead to greater
understanding, right?

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And we would even sit somewhere
always with the intention of

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being super thoughtful about it.
I don't know.

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It sounds like a podcast to me.
I mean, it used to be about

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shapes and colors and letters
and numbers and vegetables and

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stuff.
But now it could really be about

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death and sex, taxes and and
everything that makes it so

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weird and wonderful to be alive.
I don't know.

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I think it sounds pretty cool,
but I want to know what you

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think.
I want to know your thoughts, so

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leave some comments here.
Tell me what you might want to

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discuss, what you might want to
see.

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Tell me what you think a podcast
that listens could be.

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I'm excited.
I am.

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I'm excited.
And there is his little tease to

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his show coming this fall alive,
produced by Lemonade Media.

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Side note, I wish I had that
that podcast to produce.

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I would absolutely love to
produce that podcast, Steve,

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from Blues Clues.
Now first, I also want to point

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out from that little tease, the
thing that he does so well, he

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does it in his Tik Toks and I am
guessing he's going to do it for

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his podcast too.
Do you notice how many times he

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says you and I?
Do you notice how many times he

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makes it feel like he's talking
just to you?

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And sometimes he'll say we.
We talk about that here.

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And I hear other podcast
professionals stress it too.

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And I think it's important to
point out when we're podcasting,

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when we're making content, I
think the more we can make it

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feel like you are talking just
to that one person holding their

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phone in their hand, the more
effective it will be, the more

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engaging it will be, the more
likely you can keep them from

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scrolling.
And so I just wanted to applaud

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that and point that out.
But I want to talk about this

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podcast.
And by the way, if you want to

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follow him, it's on TikTok.
It's at high out there, it's me,

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Steve.
Yes, it's that long high out

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there.
It's me, Steve.

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That is his TikTok handle.
So I'm curious what people

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think.
Do we think that this kind of

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content and you know, obviously
it's Steve and he clearly has a

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following, but and do we think
that this will be successful or

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as successful as his short form
content?

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Or do we think that what he's
doing maybe is more effective

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with social media, but maybe it
won't be as effective with

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podcasting?
I'm curious what people think

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now.
I'm going to guess he's going to

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do more than just kick back and
and sit in silence.

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But I think he'll probably do
some of that on his podcast.

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I don't know for sure, but you
know, he does stress.

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It's a podcast that listens
back.

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So I imagine there's going to be
some of that.

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So how do people feel about
this?

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Do you think he can be
successful?

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I have mixed feelings about
this.

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Number one, he's going to be
wildly successful.

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He has Lemonade behind him.
My first question is, did he

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come up with the idea of doing a
podcast or did Lemonade say,

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holy crap, this guy has
3,000,000 followers, we've got

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to get him to do a podcast #2 he
is extremely compelling.

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How he looks into the camera,
his pacing as he talks.

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It's his brand.
It is his signature.

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And one of my questions is, how
long ago did he do Blue's Clues?

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Because are those kids adults
now?

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Because if so, that's great.
And it's working into that whole

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retro feel that is so popular.
It reminds me a little bit of

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when I talk to a potential
client and I say, so what's your

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podcast about?
And they say, oh, you know, we

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just talk about anything that
comes up.

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I want to punch them in the
throat so bad when I hear that.

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And that's what he was.
Well, we'll do about death and

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taxes and sex.
And I mean, I need it to be a

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little bit more niched down, you
know what I mean?

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Interesting.
By the way, he was the host of

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Blue Blues Clues from 1996 until
2002.

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So it's been, it's been about
20-3 years since he left the

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show.
So they're definitely all

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adults.
He's going to get, yeah, he's

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going to get that retro crap,
too.

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And and look, he's going to, he
also could get the parents of

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those kids from Blue's Clues
because Blue's Clues was what

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after my time as far as my
childhood goes.

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And I know it well because I
used to watch it with my

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daughter.
So I'm curious.

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I'm just naturally attracted to
his content when I see it.

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I'm fascinated seeing the older
Steve and seeing him kind of

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adapting what he did back in the
day and adulterifying it.

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Yes, I made-up a word.
It's really fascinating and I'm

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curious.
Jeff has joined us on stage.

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Good morning to you, Jeff.
Did you want to as a pop culture

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guy?
I'm curious, what are your

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thoughts on Steve doing a
podcast?

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Good morning everybody.
Having met Steve personally

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about a month ago at a Comic
Con, I met him with my 26 year

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old daughter who second year old
birthday party was a Blues

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Cruise party.
So we grew up on Steve.

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I was very taken by his
listening posts that he would do

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and found it fascinating that I
could just sit there and listen

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to him say that.
I happened to catch that

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promotion yesterday.
Didn't realize it was a

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promotion until I saw the
lemonade tag in the cap.

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Dr. had mixed feelings about it.
I don't know how you extend that

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to 34 minute thing.
It just seemed taking what was

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something that was so raw and
emotional and so basic and which

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made it so perfect and trying to
commercialize it a bit.

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Now.
God bless them if they can do

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it, but I can't picture it in my
head.

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Yeah, yeah.
I can't picture him just, you

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know, starting the show, maybe
introducing some topic and then

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saying, So what do you think?
And then the rest of the time,

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it's just him kind of every once
in a while just going, yeah,

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like that.
To me, I can't see how people

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would sit there.
Definitely not listen.

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Like, I think that this is going
to have to be, if that's the

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style of the podcast, it's going
to have to be video because

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otherwise I just, I don't, I
can't see people just sitting

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there listening to an audio
broadcast of Steve just

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listening back at you.
Yeah, I think it's.

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Got to you got to see his face,
yeah.

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I think that has to happen.
That's why those.

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Tik toks work.
Yeah, because.

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You can like.
Talk to him if you wanted to.

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Yeah.
I'm not saying I did.

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I'm not crying.
You're crying.

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But.
You did, Jeff.

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Admit it, maybe.
Maybe the first time I might

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have.
Done it too.

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I might have done that too, just
to play.

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Along it was interesting.
It didn't seem like natural to

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me when I saw the the thing and
I didn't even realize it.

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I never saw those clips and went
wow this this should be a weekly

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show right?
Yeah, right.

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Me neither, you know, but I'm
fascinated by it.

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Now that he's said it, yeah, I
mean they.

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Must have pitched him a good
idea.

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I mean, let's.
So it's it.

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Might be an interview show and
he he can do his signature.

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Uh huh.
I see.

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Right?
Right, he'll do that.

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But he makes.
It very clear like that this is

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a show, as he keeps saying for
you and I and and he makes it

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seem like it's an extension of
what he's doing on TikTok.

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But I do think he's going to
have to interview people.

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I do think that that will help
move things along right.

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I mean.
He's got some experience.

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He's interviewed salt and Pepper
and blue.

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The door and yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's like it's.

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Male time, yeah, it's like, So
there's a lot they can play off.

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They can.
Yeah, and.

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Solving it's probably they
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crime because that's really what
he was known.

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For that's true, right?
Yes.

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With solving clues and being a
detective.

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So that was that was really his
core skills and his big.

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Get I suppose as an interview
would be blue to have blue come

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back and be in the guest on his
show you.

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Imagine like 45 minutes off.
It would be very bizarre.

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Very bizarre.
Thank you, Jeff.

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Let me go to Amanda and then
Nick.

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Go ahead, Amanda.
So I don't.

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Have the nostalgia with him like
I would have saved with Mr.

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Rogers.
Right, But if you were to have

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put Mr. Rogers episodes into a
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there would be a lot of Dead
Space.

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Like when you watch a Mr. Rogers
episode, he is talking and

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having a conversation with the
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Totally.
Right.

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And he's not getting the answers
back, but he's allowing that

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space for thought, almost like
there's going to be a pondering

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or an answer.
And so he's hitting and got like

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guiding people through life by
having a one sided conversation

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while allowing that space for
the person to digest what he's

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saying.
So I think if I were to

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visualize and hear Mr. Rogers
doing something similar to this

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just from an audio standpoint,
knowing him because I grew up up

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watching him, I could do that.
I could follow that.

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I'm not listening to that
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extra motivated.
I'm listening to it after maybe

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a long day and I'm unwinding.
Kind of like Delilah took us on

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this debenture when I was
growing up with her, her being a

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DJ on the radio, she kind of set
the tone and queued up a song

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and she was asking people how
their day was and.

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Agreed.
And Amanda, do you think though

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that this works for adults
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clear he wants this to be adult
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Absolutely.
Like if Mr. Rogers was still

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alive and he threw his hat in
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100% listen to him.
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I got to admit.

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It If Mr. Rogers is doing a
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I probably want to go and hear
what he's doing and obviously.

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If you structured that podcast
episode similar to what his his

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show was for kids, but put it
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concern or questions, I think it
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I mean, I absolutely would be
consumer.

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Listen, I'm consuming Bob Ross
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Like I just, I love a good
thoughtful conversation, thought

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Provocal.
I'm so tired of like these these

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very surface level conversations
that have these quick answers.

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And I think that's what I love
when people come through the

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door at my store.
These conversations go deep and

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they're not fast-paced, they're
thoughtful.

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People have time to respond.
And we have these amazingly

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detailed conversations.
And I learned so much about

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other people because of the
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And while I think a lot of
people have lost the art of

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having a good conversation,
they're so busy.

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They're going hi, you know, it's
the the normal pleasantries, but

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they're not getting to know
people on a much deeper level.

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Some of them aren't even
critically thinking anymore, if

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we're being honest.
And one of my best I had I

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listened to, and I would have 20
years ago, if you would have

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told me I would listen to this,
I would have absolutely said

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absolutely no way.
But I listened to an episode

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with Gary Vee and Maury Povich,
and the pace of it, like Maury

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was like, like king of trash on
television, right?

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I mean, he encouraged drama.
There was this hyperness to a

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show that I just could not
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But to hear him thoughtfully
have a conversation.

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And it was paced out really
thoughtfully.

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They each let each other have a
really good time to respond to

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the answer.
There was no interruption.

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It was just a good, steady,
deeper conversation that I

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really enjoyed.
And so I think again, he can

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pull this off.
And I'm not a huge fan of Blue's

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Clues because it just wasn't in
my, my generation.

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But his people that were are of
the are of like that time that

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they're listening now.
And they, some of these kids are

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not going to have anyone else
that they can talk to like that,

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that will stimulate that kind of
conversation or thought in their

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head.
So for all those things like I'm

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really excited to see how this
pans out and I really hope him

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great success with it because
that means he's helping people

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and that's a good thing I agree
with.

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You there's something really
intriguing about this concept of

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even and some of it might be the
mystery because we're really not

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sure exactly how he's going to
do this.

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But I do think there's something
clearly people are drawn to him

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and I think he can make
something like this work.

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I really do.
And I'm going to go to Nick and

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then I want to go back to Dr.
because I want to talk to DRA

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little bit more about her
comment that she feels like it's

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not, it may not be niched down
enough.

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So I want to get to her again
too.

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So, Nick, first, do you even
remember what you were going to

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say?
Yes, I do.

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I held on to this one.
Good.

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I mean, you think about the
social media posts that he does

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and it's really about getting
people to think like in work,

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thinking introspectively about
their life and their situation.

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And I think a lot of times just
like addressing certain

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situations in life that maybe
you don't get a lot of time to

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sit with your thoughts or you
don't feel safe to kind of

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explore that.
And I see, and Ashley had a

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similar thought.
I can see it very well-being,

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something sort of like a call in
or if we're going to tie it back

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to Blues Clues, like Mail Time,
like hearing people's actual

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thoughts, questions, answers,
but about real topics that

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people like, don't want to talk
about or don't talk about often.

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But that said, I could see maybe
not exactly how a social media

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post saw where it's probably 90%
silence, if not more.

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But leaving that space to like
where he asks, asks the

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audience, the listener very
targeted questions that make you

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think, Yeah.
And he gives you that space to

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think about it because we think
a lot of podcasts are talk,

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talk, talk, information,
information, information.

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And you don't get a lot of time
to process that, right?

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Or you.
Forget what you just listened to

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in a lot of time, right?
Or they'll.

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Say, you know, after this
podcast, go and do this right

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and they'll give you the your
action items.

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But then the truth of the matter
is, is life goes on and you're

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in the car or you're somewhere
where you can't go and do the

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thing and then you kind of
forget about it.

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Where this it's actually like
you're saying he's giving you

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the space.
I don't think it could.

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Work exactly how a social media
posts are, but I think there is

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something there.
So I'm really curious to see

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what they come up with and how
they do it because I think it is

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going to be different than what
we typically hear on a podcast.

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But I feel like they're going to
have to lean in a little more

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towards the traditional podcast
to shit.

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But I think there's something.
Yeah, I really like your theory

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on that.
I think that that could be

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something where there's a topic
that one of his audience members

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writes in about or calls in
about, however they deliver the

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content, but they're going to
share a topic, share a challenge

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in their life, and then maybe
he's going to comment a little

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bit on it.
And like you said, I think if he

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asks those engaging questions,
that creates that very much

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needed human connection that I
think is as AI and other tools

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are out there, I think it makes
the human connection that much

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more challenging sometimes.
And I think having creating a

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space like this could really
address that.

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And you know, Steve, I mentioned
earlier, he's, he's had his fair

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share of challenges.
He's openly shared that, you

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know, he's had depression and
anxiety.

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He suffered from alcoholism when
he was dealing with life after

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fame.
And also, there were, for a long

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time, a lot of death rumors
about him, falsely, obviously,

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and it apparently affected him
and his mental health.

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He's shared that the rumors made
him feel really disconnected at

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times, and he internalized those
feelings and thinking almost,

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you know, maybe I'm supposed to
be dead.

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These are things that he has
shared.

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And so, yeah.
So I think him also having his

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fair share of life experience
will help him connect even more

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with his audience.
I'm going to go to Dr. But first

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I see Renee has joined us on
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So DRS, hang tight.
Renee, welcome back to the

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What did you want to add to all

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this?
Kind of.

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Thinking as this as a bridge
between having an AI

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relationship where they're not
responding back to you at all.

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So here we have somebody who is,
if it goes the way that you're,

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you know, prognosticating that
it's actually going to be it.

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It would be just the in between
bridge.

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So we have people that are
having relationships with AI

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that are communicating, but
they're not a real person.

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And then here we have somebody
that is a real person and

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getting you inside your
thoughts.

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That's just an odd thought.
Like as I'm saying it out loud,

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it doesn't make as much sense as
it did in my head.

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Oh, it makes.
Sense.

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But I'm, I'm just sharing that
thought with you guys, yeah.

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Yeah, it's an observation and
yeah, I think there is something

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to that.
Yeah.

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I mean, it does.
Yeah.

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We we have people making these
relationship and man, I mean, I

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don't know how much news you all
are seeing, but there I've been

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seeing these news stories of
people who get a little too

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attached to their AII Think I
saw one recently that a guy

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proposed to his AI and he is
married and has a kid, but has

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this what he says is this deep
connection with his ChatGPT bot.

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So yeah, I hear what you're
saying.

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Renee.
Dr. So you were talking about

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you feel like maybe he needs a
more pinned down niche and I was

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wondering if you could expand on
that.

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Yeah.
And as I'm hearing people talk

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about it, I, I think that the
only way that this can succeed

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is if it's video.
Because even in his silent

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moments, he is still doing an
enormous amount of

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communication.
He looks to the camera.

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He might squint his eyes a
little bit.

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He might tilt his head.
He might take a deep breath.

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He might.
Grin a little bit, he might.

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Grin, he'll nod his head.
All of that is a lot of

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communication so.
But if it's just audio and

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you're not able to see all that
communication and it's just this

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big gap of dead air, I just
don't, I don't get it.

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That's why I'm thinking it has
to be like a, an interview show

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or something like that.
Or maybe.

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It never goes audio.
Maybe he just goes video but.

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One of the things that you and
I, one of the backbone standard,

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old standard things that we
talked to are our clients about

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is, you know, it's just too
broad.

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You're going to have to niche
down and blah, blah, blah.

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And this goes well, the trailer,
the, the teaser that we saw goes

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completely opposite of that.
Sure, we'll talk about sex,

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we'll talk about taxes, we'll
talk about death.

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It's just like everywhere that
that almost every client has

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said, yeah, let's just talk
about anything that comes up.

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It's going to be natural.
It's going to be organic.

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Everyone will love it.
So I just, I hate that so hard

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for him.
I want it to be a little bit

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more concrete.
And I'm not his audience.

453
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,840
You know, I listen to podcasts
that are about podcasting is

454
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,280
what I do.
So it it won't be me, but all

455
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,360
those kids that grew up with
him, it's got nostalgia just

456
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,920
built right into it.
Yep.

457
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,120
Absolutely.
OK, I, I know some people want

458
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,800
to comment on this and 1st I'm
just going to go to Nick real

459
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,640
quick because I saw he didn't
come off mic.

460
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:43,760
What did you want to add Nick
there?

461
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,760
Is a bucket there?
Like I know you're saying he

462
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,320
needs to niche down and give
more targeted, but I think there

463
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,240
is a bucket that all of these
fall into and it would be more

464
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,960
along the lines of what are
causing people grief and stress

465
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,960
in their lives.
Like there are people that are

466
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,760
so stressed with the taxes in
conversation, like what how is

467
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,720
it going to end up at the end of
the day or at the end of the

468
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,680
year?
People that are stressed about

469
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,280
sex, like they're they feel like
they can't build those personal

470
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,720
connections with people.
I think there's there's a bucket

471
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,960
and I don't know what exactly
you'd call it, but I think all

472
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,560
of these kind of fall into that
bucket.

473
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,840
So I think there there is a
niche, but he's just calling

474
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,760
them out specifically because
that not every topic is going to

475
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,240
impact every single person, but
there might be one topic or a

476
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,280
handful of topics that
completely resonate with

477
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,440
somebody.
So that that's all I wanted to

478
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,000
add.
Yeah.

479
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,400
And you?
Know he's basically doing a show

480
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,480
again, we're all predicting
here, right?

481
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,680
But he's basically doing a show
on adulting.

482
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,040
And when you think about at the
earlier when Dr. was asking

483
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,080
about his, his audience from
Blue's Clues, they're all in

484
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,320
their 20s now, they're all
adulting.

485
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,360
They're all in that first phase
of really adulting.

486
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,040
So it makes sense that he's
going to talk about the

487
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,520
struggles of adulting to that
audience.

488
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,480
So maybe that's the target
audience that he's choosing.

489
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,160
And then of course, others who
are adulting in any phase of

490
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,680
their life, there could be an
attraction to the show as well.

491
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,840
But I think that's where it
makes sense to me.

492
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,160
OK, we have a lot of people that
want to chime in.

493
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,280
I'm going to 1st go to our
guests.

494
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,640
The people that have are
listening live that have come up

495
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,800
on the audience to the audience.
Mike, I'm coming to you first

496
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,080
because I saw in the chat you
said you disagree with Dr. about

497
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,120
the audio version being
successful.

498
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,640
And I'd love to hear why I one.
100% disagree with Dr. on that I

499
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,880
think.
I.

500
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,640
Think that if you're used to
listening to podcasts to learn,

501
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,320
to get pumped up, to get
motivated, whatever the case is,

502
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,200
I understand.
But I think there's a space just

503
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,920
like there's a space for
meditation podcasts or people

504
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:04,960
listen to to musics or music or,
or, you know, to relax things

505
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,080
that that they want to reflect
while they listen to.

506
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,200
And I think that's what Steve it
excels at.

507
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,680
And even when he was doing a
kids show, Blue's Clues, I think

508
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,560
that was, I think that that
format could really work.

509
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,080
I think that there are a lot of
people that that don't think

510
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,960
like we do that we're going to
listen to a podcast to learn

511
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,680
something or to get motivated.
But they, I think there's a

512
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:34,080
space for a podcast that's going
to be really around reflecting

513
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,800
on yourself and making you stop
and think and asking a question

514
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,080
and having that pause to give
you time to to think and reflect

515
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,160
for a minute and guide you
through that process.

516
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,880
I think potentially it could be
a really big podcast, bigger

517
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,920
than than some of the folks in
the room I think are are giving

518
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,400
it credit for it.
Yeah.

519
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,720
I, I can see it that way as
well.

520
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,760
I, I can, like you said, and I
saw Nick agreed with you too in

521
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,360
the chat.
There's something that feels

522
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,280
right about comparing it to
meditation or those meditation

523
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,240
podcasts, if there's a place for
those, and those tend to do

524
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,800
well, then you got to think that
Steve from Blue's Clues can

525
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,480
create a podcast that has a lot
of space in it and it's still be

526
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,720
successful.
And I know you shared some other

527
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,520
insights too.
That's just the one I'm focusing

528
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,960
on at the moment.
Thank you, Mike, I appreciate

529
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,840
you chiming in on that.
And I'm going to go to Amanda

530
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,880
and then Sid.
Amanda, what did you want to

531
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,160
add?
Kind of.

532
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,040
To piggyback off of what Michael
was saying, where, you know, the

533
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,760
audio version I think will be
just fine.

534
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,800
Yeah, there's going to be a
video element because these

535
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,800
babies grew up in front of this
TB scene.

536
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,760
Him because audio version at the
time wasn't an option.

537
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,160
But they know him enough to know
the smiles, the grins, the head

538
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,840
nod, the eye expression.
So when he's saying something,

539
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,440
there's going to be a tone of a
voice that is going to trigger

540
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,200
in a memory of a look of him if
they're just listening because

541
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,880
again, his audience is going to
be those babies that are now

542
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,200
young adults.
So I, I won't be surprised if

543
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:14,280
this becomes wildly successful.
And I I truly think we need more

544
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,200
of this type of content to help
these generations and just

545
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,520
people in general have better
lives.

546
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,800
Yeah, I'm with you, Amanda.
Thank you for expanding on that.

547
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,640
Sid, what did you want to add to
this?

548
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:30,760
So good morning.
Everybody.

549
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,200
So Mark, you kind of hit the
nail on the head of what I was

550
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,600
thinking about, which is is
demographic is those that are in

551
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,680
the their 20s, which are my
children.

552
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,200
And.
He's focusing on tapping into

553
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,240
that audience he had when he had
his TV show, right?

554
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,440
Because they do know him.
But you also nailed it when I'm

555
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:52,840
going to help them with
adulting.

556
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,360
They, these kids, they are going
through a lot more than what we

557
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,560
realized they're going through
dealing with depression and

558
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,200
anxiety and loneliness.
Remember, these are our COVID

559
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,640
kids.
So many of them didn't get to

560
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,000
graduate high school or had to
finish school on a computer

561
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,360
screen, right?
So there's a starving for

562
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,760
connection in that generation.
And he's known for that because

563
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,000
Mitchell's thinking about it,
right?

564
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,240
But he's known for that.
So and two, Michael's fun, which

565
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,920
I think is phenomenal is he
could potentially just ask a

566
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,160
question and does Amanda brought
this up to like ask a question

567
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,680
to them about something
happening in their generation

568
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,600
and then pause.
And I can just see.

569
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,320
I can hear like this soft,
mellow music playing in the

570
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,880
background while he gives me a
minute to think about that, to

571
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,720
think about exploring how I feel
about that because so many

572
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,760
podcasts today to whoever said
it, go point, point, point,

573
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640
point, point, boom, boom, boom.
And you're like, oh, crap, I

574
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,680
need to write this down.
I got so much I want to do and

575
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,680
so many.
But this is like, let's talk

576
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,960
about sex and let's talk about
the impact of it and what all

577
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,280
the other things, Right.
But then let's take a moment to

578
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,440
reflect.
Yeah.

579
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,000
Where are you in this journey?
Right.

580
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,880
I mean, I just think that could
be so powerful.

581
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,199
And these kids are craving
connection with people.

582
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,639
And I think he's giving them a
platform to connect.

583
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,080
Right.
Yeah.

584
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,920
Absolutely.
Thank you, Sid.

585
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,360
I'm tracking with you, Dr.
anything you want to respond to

586
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,639
so far just hearing some of the
feedback.

587
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,360
Yeah, as.
I've been listening, I went back

588
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,840
to the YouTube and I think I
think it's important to read

589
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:43,760
some of the comments that are on
YouTube #1 there's 3000 307

590
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,840
comments so far and this was
dropped 19 hours ago.

591
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,480
So what I'm seeing is when the
millennials and early Gen.

592
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,400
Z needed him most, he returned.
Welcome back Steve, we missed

593
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,560
you.
Here's one.

594
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,960
I'm almost 40, a father, a
husband, no one strips away my

595
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,240
walls and makes me feel so
vulnerable and seen and heard.

596
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,240
I am here for everything you do.
Here's one.

597
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:14,440
Can we talk about healing?
Can we talk about grief?

598
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,760
Can we talk about how to paint a
new picture for your life when

599
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,000
one you've been working on for
so long can't be completed?

600
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,880
Also can we talk about how rest
isn't wasted wasted time?

601
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,920
So these comments are really
interesting.

602
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,000
I'm 61 Steve, you've been a part
of my life for a very long time.

603
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,840
My 34 year old disabled son
watches Blue's Clues every day

604
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,360
with you and I do too.
You popped up on my for you page

605
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:50,520
on TikTok one day and I cried
because you quietly asked me how

606
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,880
I was and no one ever asks me.
I will go where you go, Steve.

607
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,600
Let's talk about what we need as
children in adult skin, adults

608
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,360
that have childlike fears.
Let's talk about all of it.

609
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,720
We need it and no one can do it
like you do.

610
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,600
Wow.
So Dr. thank you for pulling

611
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,360
those comments.
I talked about chills, Sid.

612
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,440
I literally got the chills
listening to those comments.

613
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,800
And I'm just going to go out on
a limb now and predict that he's

614
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,880
going to have one of the most
popular podcasts around once it

615
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,160
launches.
Go ahead, Renee, I got.

616
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,840
Tears in my eyes when Dr. was
reading them.

617
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,760
I'm sorry, it touched me.
Yeah, it's touching.

618
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,840
I I'm I'm not kidding.
I I literally have chills right

619
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,520
now.
I have goosebumps.

620
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,920
So I don't know if you can see
it on camera.

621
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,840
I'm showing YouTube.
I mean it.

622
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,240
Yeah, go ahead, Sid.
So I think this.

623
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,000
Under score something that's
really important The world is a

624
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,960
shit show.
There's so much nonsense

625
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:55,280
happening, so many lies and so
much misinformation and so much

626
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:01,040
confusion about things, right?
And it's, it's comforting to see

627
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,640
somebody working hard to put out
goodness in the world, to put

628
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,520
out kindness in the world, to
put out positivity in the world,

629
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,840
because that's what we need,
right?

630
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,440
We need to figure out how we
come together as a world and how

631
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,960
we solve the world's problems
and not fight with each other

632
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,680
and not disconnect from family
or I'm not going to talk to you

633
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,440
because you believe differently
than me, right?

634
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,720
And so it is very refreshing to
see somebody putting out

635
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,400
something that's going to do
good in the world.

636
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,840
Amen to that.
I agree.

637
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,440
I think that's a good place.
And we're not rapping just yet,

638
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,080
by the way, but that's a good
place to wrap up this part of

639
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,400
the conversation.
And I wish Steve all the best in

640
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,600
this endeavor and I am
definitely cheering him on.

641
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,360
Let's cover just a couple of
news items that we didn't get to

642
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,200
yesterday because I've teased
them a couple of times and I

643
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,640
don't want to walk away without
at least touching on some of

644
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,840
these.
For example, this came from Pod

645
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,360
News a couple days ago if you
want to get promoted by Apple

646
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,600
Podcasts.
Similarly, if you are a regular

647
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,600
listener, you heard Dominic a
couple weeks ago share that his

648
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,280
show was featured on Apple
podcast.

649
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,920
His show Mental Health
rewritten.

650
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,840
Apple's now requiring new
artwork sizes for shows it

651
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,760
promotes in the app.
So it's feature request form.

652
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,240
We've talked about that and
Ashley, let's link to the

653
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,960
feature request form in the show
notes as well.

654
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,600
It says that submissions without
quote showcase Hero art will not

655
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,040
be considered for the showcase
featuring in the United States.

656
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,440
So again, that's when Dominic
kept referring to Hero Art

657
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,200
during that episode.
That's what he's talking about.

658
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,880
Although Apple is calling it now
Showcase Hero Art.

659
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,160
The form is also specifically
asking about trailers.

660
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,440
So Pod News was saying, 'cause
this is where I got this

661
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,800
information from, that we can
guess what's next from Apple

662
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,400
too.
I have a feeling trailers are

663
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,440
going.
There's going to be some maybe

664
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,720
updates to the requirements of
trailers.

665
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:14,960
I agree with Pod News.
If you're not looking for Apple

666
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,000
Podcasts promotion then you can
move along.

667
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,880
Standard graphic requirements
remain the same.

668
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,360
So you know your album art or I
should say cover art, that's

669
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,640
going to be a minimum of 1500 by
1500 pixels.

670
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,880
Think it's goes up to 3000 by
3000 if I'm not mistaken.

671
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:41,200
And as far as the hero art, the
size requirement is 4320 pixels

672
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,200
by 1080.
So just thought you should know

673
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,920
that and I encourage anybody, if
you've got a show that you think

674
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,760
is worth sharing with the world,
which I hope that's every single

675
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,800
one of you, go and apply to get
your podcast featured.

676
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,400
It doesn't cost you anything.
It takes just a few minutes.

677
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,680
Why not?
You never know.

678
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,120
Also, what was another area I
wanted to touch on?

679
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,920
Well, actually Dr. do you want
to touch on?

680
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,200
Let's see, we have it as topic
story #5 do you would you mind

681
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,200
hitting that?
Sure.

682
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,600
OK, so now this is not to get
political or anything so no one

683
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,960
go crazy, but this is a sort of
follow up to our discussion last

684
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,880
week about how podcasting and TV
are kind of blurring the lines

685
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,160
and the story reads like this.
With the recent U.S. military

686
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,400
action on Iran, podcasts are
stepping in as a go to source

687
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,640
for breaking news.
Gold hangers?

688
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,080
I'm assuming that is someone's
name.

689
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,280
Gold hangers.
The rest is politics, which is

690
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:53,520
the name of the show and its US
version pulled in over 1.8

691
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,040
million views, streams and
downloads in just under 24

692
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,280
hours. 1.1 million of those from
YouTube alone, plus another

693
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:10,520
685,000 via On Demand audio.
At its peak, the show had 50,000

694
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:16,200
live viewers, with a surprising
25% watching from their TV's.

695
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:23,160
Podcasting on TV OK hosts Rory
Stewart and Alastair Campbell

696
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,200
dug into whether this signals
the start of a broader conflict.

697
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,760
Industry experts like John
Wardock say this highlights the

698
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,480
power of live podcasting on
platforms like YouTube,

699
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,760
especially as as Spotify and
others rethink their own live

700
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,640
streaming strategies.
So it's kind of interesting and,

701
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,440
and I do subscribe to John
Wardock's e-mail newsletter

702
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,040
things.
So I just have to dig into a

703
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,760
little bit more of that.
Interesting and live podcasting.

704
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,760
We definitely do that here at
the podcasting morning chat on

705
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,320
Clubhouse on YouTube.
I have not seen a ton of success

706
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,920
doing the YouTube live thing in
the mornings and admittedly not

707
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,840
really promoting it much either
other than here in the mornings.

708
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,480
So I probably but also look.
At the hour, Look at the hour.

709
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,800
That's true too.
True.

710
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,880
Yeah, 7:00 AM Eastern may not be
a peak time on YouTube, and

711
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,160
maybe especially for podcasters,
who knows.

712
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,800
But yeah, I enjoy doing the
morning show and I'm keeping

713
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,360
keeping it on at 7:00 AM and
we'll see if it can pick up some

714
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:38,040
steam on YouTube at some point.
I do see that a handful of

715
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,240
people end up going back and
watching the live stream later,

716
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,760
so maybe it's serving its
purpose.

717
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,040
All right, put in a.
Pitch put in a pitch if you are

718
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,480
watching YouTube on an on
demand, please leave us a

719
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,080
comment to let us know that you
are there yeah please leave us a

720
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,640
comment yeah I'm.
With you.

721
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,600
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Dr. OK.

722
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,280
And then in the other news, I
thought that this was important.

723
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,720
I don't know how many people
have seen this yet.

724
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,480
It's definitely caused a bit of
a stir.

725
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:14,600
Cap Cut had an update June 12th
to its terms of service, and

726
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,280
this is of course Cap Cut owned
by Bytedance and Bytedance owns

727
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,960
Tiktok.
It says here that the terms of

728
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,280
service grants the platform
broad, ongoing royalty free

729
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:33,000
global rights to use creators
content, including their face,

730
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:38,200
voice and likeness.
These sweeping rights apply even

731
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:43,360
to unpublished drafts and
persist after account deletion.

732
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,280
And as I said, this move has
raised alarms along creators,

733
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,240
legal experts, journalists.
Critics are warning the policy

734
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:56,480
undermines creative ownership
and privacy and may prompt

735
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,240
professionals to seek
alternative tools.

736
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,400
Does anybody here still use cap
cut?

737
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,320
I say still because when it went
away, when TikTok went away, a

738
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,120
lot of people stopped using it.
But it looks like several people

739
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,680
use this, so I'm curious.
Oh well, Dr. I'll let you go 1st

740
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,200
and then I'm going to check in
with with Jonathan and Ashley.

741
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,800
Well, my chili.
Pepper went up not not because I

742
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,280
use it because I do not.
It went up because I'm

743
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,080
questioning from the time that
it went down with TikTok for the

744
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,400
half a minute TikTok was down.
I heard that it cap cut never

745
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,480
came back 100% as it was before.
So I just need some

746
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,800
clarification on that.
And this might have given them

747
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,800
an excuse to regroup and come up
with this what sounds like a

748
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,680
ridiculous kind of update in
their policy.

749
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,720
Yeah, this.
Reminds me of the controversy

750
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:58,040
several years ago with Anchor,
which was the name prior to

751
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,480
Spotify for creators and prior
to Spotify for podcasters.

752
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,560
Before Spotify came along.
Anchor was its own thing and

753
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,080
then Spotify bought them.
But it reminds me of that

754
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,040
controversy because for a while
there, a lot of people were up

755
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,240
in arms about their policy and
them saying that they had the

756
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:17,360
rights to your content.
It was a hot topic on Clubhouse

757
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,640
back in the day.
I remember any podcast room,

758
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,400
that was a common question and
people were really up in arms

759
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,160
about it.
And I know cap cut did take a

760
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,000
while.
It took longer for it to come

761
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,280
back.
That's in comparison to TikTok

762
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,040
cap cut did.
And then when it came back,

763
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,480
you're right, a lot of people
said it wasn't quite the same

764
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,440
anymore.
I haven't used it since it came

765
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,000
back.
And I was using it more often

766
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,600
than I Yeah, I was using it a
lot prior to when it went away.

767
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,440
And then I guess I found the
alternatives and decided not to

768
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,800
anymore.
I'm curious, Ashley or Jonathan,

769
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,280
you both said you use it.
So how do you feel about this

770
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,840
and will it deter you from using
it in the future?

771
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,840
I will go to Jonathan first.
Go ahead, Jonathan.

772
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,160
I don't think it'll.
Deter me from using it because

773
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,280
honestly, it's pretty
boilerplate language on all

774
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,720
social media platforms.
They all have that clause in

775
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,960
there that they can use your
content to promote their

776
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,320
platform.
They have that here on

777
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,360
Clubhouse.
They have it on, you know, all

778
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,120
social media platforms.
So it's fairly boilerplate and I

779
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,640
don't know, you know, we have
very little whether we whether

780
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,360
they tell us or not, they're,
they're going to use our content

781
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,280
for whatever they want, honestly
especially.

782
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,960
If it's a free platform, because
right, because I mean, that's

783
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,480
the one thing is that I always
go into a free platform if I've

784
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,240
signing up, if I'm using it, I'm
making that assumption that, you

785
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:50,120
know, I don't have all the all
of my rights anymore because

786
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,080
it's their platform.
And if I'm using it, they have,

787
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,160
I believe they have a right to
use some of my content.

788
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,200
It's kind of the trade off,
right?

789
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,720
If I'm paying for it, which cap
cut you, there is a paid tier.

790
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,320
If I'm paying for it, though,
I'm not happy with them using my

791
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,360
content.
Granted, if they're using my

792
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,120
content in a positive way to
promote their platform, I'm

793
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,920
probably excited to see my
content used in that way.

794
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:19,320
But the problem is, is that they
could use it in a way that's

795
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,560
derogatory.
They could use it in a way that

796
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:26,800
doesn't represent you at all,
and that could get a lot of

797
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,640
people upset.
Ashley, I'm curious, how about

798
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,280
you?
Will you continue to use it?

799
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,320
I'm a little.
Bit conflicted after hearing

800
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,680
what Jonathan had to say.
I need to really dig in and

801
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,440
understand those terms and
conditions because here's my

802
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,040
thing, I handle a lot of content
that isn't mine.

803
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,560
So from an ethical perspective I
don't want any of my clients

804
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,360
content to be used for anything
without their consent.

805
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,880
And really I only use cap cut
for two things.

806
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,480
Mainly, I use it for color
grading, and I use it to help me

807
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,160
sync up audio and video when I
record from different sources,

808
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,360
so I could easily find another
program.

809
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,160
But again, I really need to get
in there and find out what's

810
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,520
going on.
Yeah.

811
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:14,160
That's.
Fair.

812
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,080
And I would recommend if
anybody's curious and concerned,

813
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,240
check those terms of service
policies on any platforms that

814
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,080
you're putting content, yours or
your clients.

815
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,280
And that's a good point, Ashley,
using your client stuff, they

816
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,480
didn't necessarily consent to
that.

817
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,120
And so if there's content all of
a sudden is being used by that

818
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,000
platform without their consent,
they may not be too happy with

819
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,480
that.
So that might be something as

820
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,280
producers that we have to add
into agreements when we sign on

821
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,000
with clients that we might use
third party software that may

822
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:53,400
use the content however they see
fit.

823
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,520
This sounds.
To me like a money grab, this

824
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,840
sounds to me like they need
another revenue stream within

825
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,080
their company.
So they're going to do

826
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,880
something.
Maybe we just with the data to

827
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,080
feed AI.
They're they're covering their

828
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,560
bases.
So when you start to see things

829
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,440
like that, you know, you kind of
wonder they're going internally

830
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,920
to find they're changing totally
the structure of how they've

831
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,440
done business.
So to me, instead of adding

832
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,560
something externally in or
adding another level of

833
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,520
something, they're saying, OK,
we've got it.

834
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,840
We've got to, it's like you're
selling off stuff in your house,

835
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,000
like you can't pay bills, right?
So you're, you're looking like,

836
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,440
what do I have inside?
What can I sell?

837
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,320
Oh, I don't wear these shoes.
I'm going to sell these shoes

838
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,720
for an extra 10 bucks.
That's kind of what it looks

839
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,360
like to me.
And so then you just wonder, is

840
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,600
this a crack in the wall?
Do we maybe need to be looking

841
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,720
for someplace else?
It kind of sends a signal to

842
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,280
those that are looking for a
signal.

843
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,800
That's what it kind of sounds
like to me.

844
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,360
That's fair.
That's fair.

845
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,240
I think they, my personal
opinion is I think they just

846
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,560
want access to that content and
to be able to know that they can

847
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,160
use it however they see fit,
especially to promote their own

848
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,280
platform.
But yeah, there could be lots of

849
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,800
shady other reasons, other shady
reasons why they're doing that.

850
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,880
I'm not saying I disagree with
you entirely, but I think that

851
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,160
that's really what it's more
about.

852
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,960
In my opinion.
It's more about them just being

853
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,000
able to use the content that's
on their platform however they

854
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,040
see fit.
But I'm their money, money does

855
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,920
drive a lot of things in
business, right?

856
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,440
So I wouldn't be surprised by
your theory either, Renee.

857
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,000
OK, listen, we're going to wrap
things up today and oh, did you

858
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,960
have something Dr. you wanted to
say before I wrap up?

859
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,840
Well, I just wanted to touch
lightly on one thing.

860
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,120
So, you know, television
commercials have become very

861
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,080
tick tocky, very kind of
organic.

862
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,840
Here's me filming with my
telephone.

863
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,760
What if they took some of the
content that I did and they sold

864
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,680
it to, you know, some cat food
company to use in their

865
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,280
commercial?
Do I get completely shut out of

866
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,880
that?
Does TikTok get all the proceeds

867
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,280
from that?
So.

868
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,440
I believe.
The language says that they have

869
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,600
access to promote their
platform.

870
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,600
I believe that's what the
language says on all of these

871
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,920
platforms.
So if they were to sell your

872
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,840
content off to somebody else,
then they would need to you

873
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,560
would need to be compensated for
that.

874
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,280
OK, So what if I'm showing my on
TikTok, I'm showing my cat

875
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,880
eating their food and when they
re air it on a television

876
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,720
commercial they put in the
corner TikTok.

877
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,880
Could that be considered?
They would need to pay you to

878
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,240
use that if you created it.
It's the same thing as if

879
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:43,720
somebody tags you and you know
uses one of your posts but tags

880
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:44,920
you.
That's technically they're

881
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,680
taking your creative.
So they should compensate you

882
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,160
for that.
OK, all right.

883
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,080
I have a.
Question though, as we see all

884
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,200
these ads for TikTok in a lot of
different places, right?

885
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,640
And they're using user video to
promote their app.

886
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,920
So.
Jonathan, are you saying that

887
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,880
ask?
Permission.

888
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,280
No.
No, because that that's them

889
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,480
using it to promote their app.
If they're you, if somebody else

890
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,560
takes the video, because they
write into that boilerplate that

891
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,040
they have permission to use your
content to promote the app.

892
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,480
But if you are, if they're
taking it and like you're

893
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,640
selling it to an outside person,
they don't have permission to do

894
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,480
that.
Just like Clubhouse has

895
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,920
permission to take any of the
rooms here and use it to

896
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,200
promote, promote the app, but
they can't take the room and

897
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,560
sell it to ChatGPT to do
something over there.

898
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,920
Thank you.
Jonathan yeah, I think I get it.

899
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,600
I think when it, if it's their
own, it's if it's to promote

900
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,920
their own platform, I think
that's where, yeah, if they do

901
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,440
ATV commercial of Tik Tok's
doing ATV commercial and using

902
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,960
your content as part of that
commercial, I think that that's

903
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where they have the right to use
it without having to compensate

904
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you.
But if they're selling it off to

905
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a third party and then that
third party is using it, I don't

906
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know the additional language,
but I'm making an assumption

907
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:14,200
that then that would require
some kind of compensation if

908
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,240
third parties are using your
content without your consent.

909
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,880
But I don't know if there's
additional languaging in that

910
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those terms that say that they
can, maybe there's additional

911
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,960
terms that says they can sell it
and use it however they see fit.

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00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,120
To be continued.
I love it when.

913
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:37,720
You say languaging.
I'm glad Dr. OK, so we are back

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tomorrow, 7:00 AM Eastern Time
talking all things podcasting.

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00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,520
And of course we will take some
time to celebrate our wins from

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00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,160
this past week.
So bring any wins you're

917
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,960
celebrating so we can celebrate
with you.

918
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,880
That's tomorrow again at 7:00 AM
Eastern.

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And a reminder, we do this over
the summer this year every

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Tuesday through Friday.
After the summer, we'll go back

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to our Monday through Friday
schedule.

922
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But yes, Tuesday through Friday,
7:00 AM Eastern.

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And please, if you don't mind,
if you enjoyed this episode, if

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00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,440
you enjoy the podcasting morning
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Apple, go rate US on Spotify.
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So please help us grow by going
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929
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Make it a great day everybody,
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