REMASTERED Ep66: Tex & Diane McIver: Accident or Murder?

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Southern fried True crime covers cases that
are not suitable for young listeners, and

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there may also be some explicit language
used. Listener discretion is advised. On

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a hot Sunday in September of twenty
sixteen, Text and Diane mc iver played

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golf in the searing Georgia's sun for
four hours. They picked up Diane's best

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friend, Danny Joe Carter from their
Putnam County ranch where she had been riding

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horses before they all headed back to
Atlanta, stopping for dinner and Conyers.

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The mc iver's had been drinking,
so after dinner, Danny drove the rest

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of the way home with Diane in
the front seat and Text behind her in

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the back seat. At around ten
pm that Sunday night, Atlanta traffic was

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at a standstill on the Downtown Connector. Diane told Danny Joe to get off

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at Edgewood Avenue. Tex had fallen
asleep in the backseat and his wife fussed

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at him to wake up so we'd
be able to sleep that night. When

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he looked around and saw the area
they were in, he said, girls,

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this was a bad idea. This
is a bad area. And then

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he said, Darling, hand me
my gun. Diane McIver then handed her

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husband the gun that would kill her. The Atlanta PD charged mac Iver with

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involuntary manslaughter, but the DA disagreed
and charged Text mac ivor with malice murder.

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But did Tex mac ivor really mean
to kill his wife? Welcome to

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episode sixty six Text and Diane MacIver
accident or Murder. Atlanta, Georgia is

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one of the most famous US Southern
cities in the world. During the American

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Civil War, the burning of Atlanta
was crucial in General Sherman's March to the

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Sea. It crippled the Confederacy and
was the beginning of the end of the

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Civil War. The city fell in
September of eighteen sixty four, and the

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war ended in April eighteen sixty five. The fall of Atlanta was extensively covered

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by northern newspapers, and they gave
a huge boost to Northern morale as well

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as President Lincoln's political standing, as
he won the election that November by significant

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margin. Sadly, Lincoln was assassinated
just five days after Confederate General Robert E.

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Lee surrendered in Appomattox, Virginia.
Today, modern Atlanta is known for

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its eclectic, diverse culture. It
has been a mecca for African American political

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power, education, and culture.
There has been a black mare and office

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in Atlanta since nineteen seventy four.
During the civil rights movement in the sixties,

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a popular Atlanta slogan was it was
a city too busy to hate,

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a slogan that would continue into the
nineties, and in comparison to other large

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cities in the Deep South, the
progressive politics and diversity would make that slogan

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ring true, But in reality,
the people of Atlanta are still dealing with

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racial disparity, tensions and the economic
effects of gentrification. In twenty sixteen,

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when Diane mac ivor was killed,
Atlanta was in an exciting transitional phase.

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Real estate prices that had lagged since
the recession finally saw an uptick. New

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ground was broken for retail and office
spaces. The Braves left Turner filled for

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sun Trust Park, a new entertainment
complex within walking distance of bars, shopping,

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and residential areas. In popular culture, the critically acclaimed show Atlanta premiered,

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as well as Stranger Thinks, the
Netflix hit that while sat in Indiana,

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had been filmed in Atlanta and surrounding
areas, giving another boost to the

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local economy. On April fourteenth,
Prince played his final show at the Fox

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Theater in what patch dot Com called
an intimate, stripped down performance just a

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week before his death. That May, Atlanta was chosen to host the twenty

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nineteen Super Bowl, making way for
a new one point four billion dollar stadium

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that would host the Atlanta Falcons and
the new Atlanta Soccer Club. Twenty sixteen

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was also the third year of the
Black Lives Matter movement. In July,

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hundreds had marched in downtown Atlanta to
protest police shootings. The day before,

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a young black man had been found
hanging in Piedmont Park. The AJC reported

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that the protest was in party reaction
to what many believed was a modern day

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lynching. However, the young man's
death was ruled as suicide, and as

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social media posts showed that he had
been shamed by his family for being gay.

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It was a terrible coincidence as there
were so many police shootings nationwide that

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had led to the protests. In
the first half of July alone, there

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were one hundred and twelve protests in
eighty eight cities. It's important to mention

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the Atlanta March because it does become
a factor in this case. Though there

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was no official march on the day
Diane McIvor was killed, but still the

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specter of dangerous Black Lives Matter protesters
was raised by Text mc Ivor's pr guy,

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a move that was seriously detrimental to
mac Ivor's defense. I'm going to

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pause now for a short commercial break. Claude Lee MacIvor was born in San

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Antonio, Texas, on December twenty
second, nineteen forty three. He graduated

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from law school at the University of
Texas before moving to Atlanta. Claude,

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known as Texts all of his life, worked for Fisher Phillips law firm for

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decades. He was a labor lawyer, but he didn't represent the little guy.

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He represented the corporations. By twenty
sixteen, he was a longtime partner,

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but recently he went from equity partner
to income partner, meaning his income

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dropped from about seven hundred thousand dollars
a year to about one hundred and twenty

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thousand dollars a year. He was
seventy three years old. That's not unusual

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tex mac Ivor was also a staunch
Republican who served on the state election board

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for twelve years. He was nominated
by the governor in two thousand and five

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to be on the Judicial Nomination Committee, and even more telling, he served

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on the American Bar Association Committee on
Gun Violence. Tex was a man who

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knew guns. He didn't just know
them, he loved them, owning close

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to forty guns, some twenty two
of those being rifles. He was such

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a good shot he could toss a
bottle in the air and hit it.

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Tex MacIvor married his first wife,
Nancy, in nineteen sixty six. They

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had three kids, two sons and
a daughter. Nancy filed for divorce in

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nineteen ninety seven, citing several affairs. She said Tex had, specifically that

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he was having an affair with a
woman that worked at their Putnam County ranch.

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The eighty five acre ranch was Texas
crown Jewel. He had horses and

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cattle and a big, sprawling ranch
house, as well as a guesthouse and

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pool. Tex kept the ranch in
the divorce, but otherwise took quite the

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hit financially. It was an ugly
three year court battle. When they settled

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in July of two thousand, Tex
had spent more than one hundred thousand on

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attorney's fees, and he had agreed
to pay Nancy almost seven hundred thousand dollars

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in alimony. Nancy also got half
of his retirement account, which was valued

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at a little over seven hundred thousand
at the time of settlement, and also

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half of their property, which was
four hundred thousand dollars. Tex also had

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to pay one hundred thousand for her
attorney's fees. The settlement even stipulated how

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Tex could visit their dog malone quote, the wife shall allow the husband to

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use her garden hose if necessary to
wash the dog after one of his visits.

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His daughter and one of his sons
stopped speaking to him after the ugly

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divorce, to the point that he
wasn't even invited to his daughter, Meredith's

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wedding. At the time of his
divorce, his assets totaled almost one million,

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but his monthly income was down to
seventeen thousand dollars a month. He

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used to bring in close to sixty
thousand, but like I said, his

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age and semi retirement had changed his
salary. He met Diane the year of

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his divorce, though there is no
speculation whatsoever that there was any overlap or

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that she was one of the affairs
Nancy accused him of. He met her

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through business associates and was immediately enamored
of the beautiful forty seven year old woman.

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Being ten years her senior didn't deter
him at all. Diane Biddy Smith

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mac ivor was born on July twenty
first, nineteen fifty three in Auburn,

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Alabama. She had a kind of
rags to Rich's aura about her, but

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she grew up middle class, though
her relationship with her mother was always very

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volatile. She had never known her
father and her mother was an alcoholic with

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several ex husbands. Diane had a
brother who died in his early twenties.

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She moved to Atlanta with her family
when she was in high school, and

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a business owner named Billy Corey hired
her when she was just seventeen years old

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as a part time payroll clerk.
She worked nights to earn an accounting degree

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from Georgia State University. In her
first job for Corey at US Enterprises,

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she started out answering phones and soon
became president. US Enterprises is the umbrella

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company that Corey Enterprises falls under.
At the time of her death, Diane

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mac ivor was the CEO of Corey
Enterprises and her net worth was estimated at

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twelve million. She had worked for
Corey Enterprises for forty three years. She

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was respected as a formidable businesswoman,
ambitious, uncompromising, and tough as nails.

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Diane didn't marry until she was forty
years old. She always just said

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that was a mistake. She never
had children of her own. Friends later

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said it was a painful divorce,
and like Texas divorce, it was also

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ugly with the splitting of finances,
and Diane was estranged from her mother for

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fifteen years. Before her death.
She wouldn't even attend her funeral, telling

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her neighbor that she would not shed
one tear for her mother. Though tex

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and Diane had met before, he
started pursuing her more vigorously when she moved

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into the luxury villa Buckhead Condos in
Atlanta in the summer of two thousand.

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He slipped a note under her door
welcoming her to the building. She wasn't

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interested at first, but he wore
her down when she finally agreed to a

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date. It was dinner in Texas
apartment, and Diane showed up in yoga

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gear in a ball cap. She
was determined that this was going nowhere,

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but Text charmed her. Rachel Styles, one of Diane's assistants, said quote,

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he was the perfect match for Diane. Diane was a very strong woman.

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She intimidated a lot of men.
They just didn't want to compete with

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her. The text didn't want to
compete with her. He was just infatuated

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with her. Diane didn't trust many
people, but seemed to trust those that

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worked for her. Her best friend, Danny Joe Carter, the one driving

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that night, was her manicurist.
They had been friends for forty years,

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though there was a ten year period
they didn't speak because Danny Joe had a

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drinking problem. She got sober and
was then welcomed back into Diane's life.

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Diane's other trusted confidants were her two
personal assistants at work, and the man

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who detailed her car and ran errands
for her. And that's about it.

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You would think a woman in her
position would have many rich, high society

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friends, but Diane chose to trust
people who worked for her. It's not

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that she didn't rub elbows with the
well heeled in Atlanta. She did,

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but her close friends were more down
to earth, and I think there is

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something else at play here. Diane
could be a bit controlling. She was

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known as a very blunt person.
She would tell you that you've put on

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weight, offer tips on how to
lose it. It wasn't really malicious.

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She was just fastidious and she always
thought she knew best. She could be

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really critical, but everyone in her
life accepted that as the other side of

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the coin. That was Diane because
she was also very generous and loving,

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and she was hard on herself too. That's probably why she felt critical of

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others. She got up at five
am every day to work out, and

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she kept weights in her office.
But she can't always behave that way with

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your peers and get away with it. Diane did. But her friends were

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not exactly her peers. She was
the CEO of a company, a self

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made millionaire. Her friends were mostly
employees and co workers. She didn't have

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close friends in her own social standing, which isn't that unusual. How many

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female CEOs do you know? Her
peer group would be mainly men in that

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sense, and before text she had
even decided not to remarry. I think

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that wealth can be insulating from the
world's problems, but it can also be

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very isolating. You never know if
someone is your real friend or if they

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want something from you. At least
with employees, you know where you stand.

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But Diane wound up falling hard for
texts. They dated for almost five

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years before marrying in November of two
thousand and five and a lavish ceremony at

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the Ranch. Diane came down the
aisle in a horse drawn carriage. The

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horse, wearing a flower crown,
was her maid of honor, and they

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lived a jet setting extravagant lifestyle,
trips to Paris and the south of France.

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She in taxts would fly into Louisville
for the Kentucky Derby, but have

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Danny Joe or her husband drive their
limo up so they could have it to

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ride around town in. But she
was generous to Danny Joe with these trips,

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even if Danny Joe might drive the
limo or handle some other things for

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her. She was getting to go
on all these fabulous trips all over the

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world with her generous best friend,
and Diane often lent money to her friends.

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Terry Brown was one of Diane's personal
assistants at Cory enterprises, and he

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was in charge of keeping track of
the loans she gave friends. He told

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the AJC that around the third of
every month, she would ask him if

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the money was all in. She
loaned money but with reasonable interest rates,

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and she even loaned money to Text. It's important to note here that she

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and Text made the decision before they
married to keep their finances separate. Both

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had been through messy, expensive divorces, and both were still self made millionaires.

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At the time of her death.
It was estimated that Diane was worth

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around twelve million, but most of
that was in real estate holdings. She

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had about four hundred thousand in the
bank, and Text was worth about one

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point seven million on his own.
I told you before that his income had

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significantly decreased, but it's not like
he was a poor man. The engagement

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ring he gave Diane was worth sixty
thousand dollars. The loan she made to

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Text was to expand the guesthouse,
making it a real party house on the

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property in the style of an Old
West saloon. I've seen conflicting reports on

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whose idea this was. Friends told
reporters that it was Diane's. She loved

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having huge parties on the ranch.
Text was fine with that as long as

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she could pay for it, but
she made it a loan in his name

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with interest. He was paying around
fifteen hundred dollars a month on the loan,

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just the interest. It was supposed
to have been a three year loan,

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but in twenty fourteen Diana extended the
loan for another three years. Terry

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Brown said that Text always made his
payments on time. But the interesting thing

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on this extension is that she put
a codicil that if Text defaulted, she

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could call on the loan and take
controlling interest of the ranch. Well,

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tex had already willingly put her name
on the deed to the ranch when they

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got married. This is where their
finances seem murky to me. If she

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really was the one who wanted the
saloon party house, she certainly could afford

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to pay for it, but she
expected Text to and that condicul was her

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insurance that he would pay for it. But the same friends who claimed the

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saloon was her idea said that the
loan through Text was merely for tax purposes.

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She in Text also made new wills. In two thousand and five.

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Much was made at Texas trial about
the possibility of another new will that Diane

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had recently made, but they never
found proof of it. The other important

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person to point out when it comes
to the MacIvor finances is their godson,

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Austin schwal His parents were divorced and
he was the son of a Fulton County

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judge. They both doted on the
boy, but especially Diane, who never

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had children of her own. Austin
called her mommy die. She threw him

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lavish birthday parties, paid for private
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college. If there were issues with
her will, it was discussed on an

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offer for a few years. It
was Austin Diane wanted to leave him everything,

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but text wanted to leave all,
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son that still spoke to him.
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Despite the rumors the prosecution continuously brought
up, there was no proof. No

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other will was ever found. The
prosecution even put out an ad for any

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Atlanta lawyer who might have worked on
a will for Diane MacIvor to please come

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forward. None did. But before
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go back to that Sunday night on
September sixth, twenty sixteen. I'm going

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to pause now to hear a word
from today's sponsors. That Sunday was a

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hot day for September even in Georgia, with temperatures rising into the nineties.

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Diane Texts and Danny Joe had been
at the ranch all weekend. Danny Joe

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later testified that Tex got up that
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before making breakfast for everyone. Liked
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always the courtly gentleman, even after
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had given Danny Joe a horse,
and that Sunday the mcgivers went to meet

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a friend to play golf while Danny
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Text later told investigators that his wife
shot a seventy four that day while

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he shot a ninety two. They
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despite the heat. After they finished
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Danny Joe to head back to Atlanta. Danny Joe said they poured wine in

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a Yetti cup and sipped it as
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On the way back into the city, they were meeting a friend and colleague

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of Diane's for dinner at the Longhorn
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wine was opened. Text later said
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didn't like it, but still after
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because Diane in text, had been
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neared Atlanta, travel on the Downtown
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ten pm on a Sunday night,
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worst. Diane told Danny Joe to
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she turned around and fussed Text to
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the back seat. Diane was in
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behind her. She didn't want him
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be able to sleep that night.
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he said, quote, girls,
this is a bad idea. This isn't

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safe. He was talking about the
area of Midtown they were in. Diane

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said, we'll be on Piedmont shortly, but he said, quote, Darling,

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hen me my gun, and Diane
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out a snubnose thirty eight revolver wrapped
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handed it to her husband. And
here is where everything went wrong. Text

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took the gun and laid it in
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sleep. Danny Joe said that she
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by a red light at either twelfth
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a boom. She thought at first
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but Tex quickly said I discharged the
gun and asked if everyone was all

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right. Diane said, Text,
what did you do? Danny Joe said

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she thought there would be a bullet
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and no one realized Diane was shot
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started breathing heavy and slumped in her
seat, and then she said, I've

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been shot. At this, Tex
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stepped on the gas to speed to
a hospital. This is another huge point

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of contention at trial. Why didn't
they just call nine one one? Danny

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Joe admitted she was scared because of
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would take to get an ambulance there. She had Piedmont Hospital in mind,

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but didn't know the way. Tex
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which was not the closest. Even
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from Atlanta can tell you that Grady
Memorial Hospital has a renowned Level one trauma

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unit. It handles almost all gunshot
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prosecution won't apply that Tex intended to
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the truth is Emory Hospital was a
client of his as a lawyer at Fisher

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Phillips. He had represented the hospital
and had been there many times. He

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knew exactly where it was, and
this makes sense to me. Despite the

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fact that Grady was known to be
the place for a gunshot wound, Tex

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went to the first hospital he knew
how to get to. What Tex and

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Danny Joe didn't know was that there
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so from where the SUV was sitting
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distance is estimated because they were on
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were not working. Danny Joe also
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so there were medics extremely close by. I think the decision to drive to

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a hospital, any hospital, was
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one one At the hospital, texas
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suv and waving Danny Joe through to
the emergency doors. He also helps get

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his wife into a wheelchair. Doctor
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Diane made a spontaneous comment in front
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her. She said, quote,
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the prosecution focused on her only other
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And then the doctor asked if she
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said no. To this, I
say Diane was dying. Who knows if

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she even understood the doctor's question.
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extremely low and she was about to
be taken in for emergency surgery. The

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other spontaneous comment can be considered a
dying declaration. It was not an answer

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to a question made under duress.
Diane just said it. The bullet hit

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where Diane's eleventh rib met her eleventh
vertebra, scattering pieces of bone. It

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then traveled through her left adrenal gland
and left kidney and severed blood vessels,

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going into her spleen, then through
her pancreas and stomach, so blood quickly

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started filling her abdominal cavity. The
bullet missed her heart by centimeters, but

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because it nicked those arteries, she
bled out internally anyway. Doctor Hardy wanted

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to transfer her to Grady, but
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In the operating room, surgeons opened
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blood close to what would be the
total blood volume in her body. For

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over an hour, surgeons fought to
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vessels and removing pieces of damaged organs, but her blood pressure kept dropping.

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The attending surgeon's report read her chance
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There is no disagreement whatsoever among anyone
involved, including all of the surgeons and

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the antithesiologist, that we could have
done anything differently and given her a chance

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to survive. At the hospital,
Tex called an old friend of his this

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would wind up being a very bad
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an attorney who had represented him before. Stephen Maples is a Decatur attorney

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who defended Text when he was charged
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assault for firing his pistol at a
car with three young men inside. The

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teens had been hanging out in the
Cul de Sac of Texas neighborhood, playing

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their music loud and annoying him.
He tried seeking his dogs on them before

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he got his gun out, but
the charges were dropped when Techs agreed to

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pay for the damages to the teen's
car. And this was the guy who

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sat on the American Bar Association Committee
on gun violence. It's an example of

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what the prosecution would later Seizon Pond
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He got away with that incident fifteen
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in another gun incident. At the
hospital, Text and Stephen Maples were overheard

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conferring, and Text was heard saying, what do I say? What do

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I do? Naturally, there was
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honestly, if you had just shot
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be scared? But optics are everything, and his behavior even while still at

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the hospital put people off, and
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Diane had already told the doctor it
was an accident. He went up to

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Danny Joe and said, why don't
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like this can get so turned around. Just say you came here to be

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with us as a friend. And
Danny Joe told him no, she couldn't

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do that, quote text, I
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do that. Why would I be
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Sunday without my own car. Joe
talked to the Atlanta police right away and

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insisted it was a tragic accident.
She said there was no doubt in her

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mind, and this was even after
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the hospital. She didn't tell police
about Texas request the first time they questioned

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her, but she did the second
time, and a very different Danny Joe

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testified at trial. She did not
change her story, but she was no

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longer on Texas side. She now
believed the shooting was intentional. I think

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like everyone else, she was put
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starting with him asking her to lie
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went so far as to call Danny
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Joe to retract what she told the
police. Interestingly, Texas defense team found

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another reason for Danny Joe's flip.
Diane had loaned her money also as she

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did for many friends and associates,
and texts expected her to pay the loan.

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Now, this isn't as heartless as
it sounds. Tex was executor of

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Diane's estate. Danny Joe wasn't the
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And about TeX's behavior, well,
first of all, Tex didn't go voluntarily

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talk to police for two days.
That does look bad. Why wouldn't you

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just sit down with them right away
if it was an accident? And why

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didn't the police insist on speaking with
him right away? I'm pretty sure if

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I shot my husband, I would
be questioned that same day, even with

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a witness saying it was an accident. It does show that Tex was getting

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preferential treatment. The police felt confident
it was an accident after taking Danny Joe's

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statement, So maybe this isn't as
bad as it looks. But again,

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optics are everything, and to the
world, this looked like a rich white

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lawyer with political connections. Wasn't being
questioned by the police right away? And

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why would he choose to wait?
Friends say, Text was beside himself.

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It wasn't to get his story straight. He was just in shock. When

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he did finally talk to the police, he said the gun was in his

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lap and it just went off.
Text told police Quote, I was handling

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the gun. I forgot it was
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And I don't think he's lying.
Text was diagnosed with rim behavioral disorder,

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which means where most people don't act
out their dreams, Texts often did

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thrash around. Bill Rankin with the
AJC podcast Breakdown explained this diagnosis very well.

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He said, normally people have a
wall between their dreams and actual bodily

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movements and reaction to the dream.
People with Rim behavioral disorder somehow, Quote

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breached that wall. Specifically, Text
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A masseuse named Annie Anderson testified at
Texas trial about his condition. He

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often fell asleep while getting a massage
and she had to be careful about where

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she was standing in relation to his
body if he fell asleep or he might

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accidentally hit her. She also had
to testify to deny allegations of a sexual

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relationship with Texts. I will come
back to this in a moment. The

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next big mistake text made was hiring
a pr consultant by the name of Bill

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Crane. He made an official statement
to the press that text was alarmed about

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the recent unrest surrounding several Black Lives
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they would be carjacked. This is
the mistake that took this case. National

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Black Lives Matter representatives across the country
were outraged. In fact, there is

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no evidence that there were protesters in
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As many people have said, Bill
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it did not belong. I agree
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Tex mac Ivor denies ever saying this. He said Crane made that statement.

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All he had said was that it
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by his statement and testified that Texts
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This would lead to one of the
three charges. The prosecution indicted texts

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for of trying to manipulate a witness. The other two counts for the same

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thing were for when he asked Danny
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the suv that night, and also
for the message he left on her husband's

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voicemail. Text foolishly left the voicemail
for Danny Joe's husband from jail. This

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was before he made bond. He
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what he had asked her to do, and he called her husband to ask

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him to get Danny Joe to stop
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also said delete this message, except
all calls coming out of the Fulton County

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Jail are recorded. Foolish indeed,
and that is what I think is Tex

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mac Ivor's huge problem. He was
arrogant and foolish. But before he had

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ever even been indicted, he made
his next huge mistake. Within days of

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Diane's death, he was taking inventory
of her extensive collection of cature clothing,

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vers, shoes, hats, and
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He held three auctions actually, and
this is really hard for people to

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swallow. It was tacky. It
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But Diane's estate lawyer actually advised Texts
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assets to cover not only her bequests
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and just the wrapping up of her
life. But still this looked awful.

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The estate lawyer spoke with the AJAC
and defended the advice he gave, saying

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those clothes would appreciate within a year
when styles change, and also you need

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to sell winter clothes. At the
start of winter. Diane had one hundred

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and thirty seven fur coats. The
auctions were held in early December. Okay,

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I get all of that, but
it's hard to believe that this guy

407
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:57.079
and text both thought that this was
a good idea. But then I think

408
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:01.519
about it this way. Tech said
it was an accident. I don't think

409
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:06.720
he really believed that he would be
prosecuted, so why not follow the lawyer's

410
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:12.960
advice. He was not officially charged
until December twenty first, after the auctions,

411
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:17.480
and he was charged with involuntary manslaughter
and reckless conduct. One big point

412
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:22.319
of contention with this auction is not
only how it looked. There were some

413
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.039
ruby and diamond pieces that had been
willed to a friend of Diane's with the

414
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:30.000
same birthstone. If he was really
auctioning to honor requests, why would he

415
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:35.519
auction pieces for someone in the will, pieces that she was supposed to get.

416
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.880
Well, she wasn't supposed to get
those pieces. According to the AJC,

417
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.119
in total, there was a ruby
ring, bracelet, and earrings that

418
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.079
brought around eighteen thousand dollars at auction. Now that's no small amount, but

419
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:52.000
Diane had many other ruby and diamond
pieces, and in fact, there was

420
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.240
a ring, bracelet and earrings valued
at more than one hundred thousand that he

421
00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:00.839
did not auction. He was saving
those for her friend. Texas bond was

422
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.599
set at seventy five thousand dollars,
which he quickly made and was out until

423
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:10.839
trial. By April, prosecutors served
multiple subpoenas for the mc iver's financial records.

424
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.559
Now it would seem that the DA's
office did not agree with the Atlanta

425
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:20.759
PD. They didn't believe this was
an accident. During the search of Texas

426
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.680
condo, a glock pistol was found
in his saut drawer. This was a

427
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:28.960
violation of his bond. He had
all other firearms removed from the condo and

428
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.839
ranch except this one. The judge
revoked Texas bond, and then a few

429
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.160
days later, on April twenty seventh, he was indicted on a charge of

430
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:42.519
malice murder. George's malice murder charge
is what many states refer to as first

431
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:47.039
degree murder. The DA indicted Texts
on seven additional counts. He was also

432
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:52.000
charged with felony murder, which is
what other states call second degree murder,

433
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.400
then aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, possession of a firearm, and commission

434
00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:00.480
of a felony, and those three
charges of trying to influence what aness that

435
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.680
I told you about. And this
trial would be dramatic in so many ways.

436
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.440
For one, they had a judge
who allowed jurors to ask questions throughout

437
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:15.559
the trial, not just in deliberations. This is highly unusual and something the

438
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.039
defense attorneys didn't like. If the
state wasn't making their case clear enough,

439
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:24.880
that's on them. This judge allowing
clarification questions clearly gives the prosecution a leg

440
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:31.480
up. Prosecutor Clint Rucker is one
of those preacher prosecutors and natural born theatrical

441
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:36.960
speaker he uses that thing where he
says something and then repeats it for emphasis.

442
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:42.800
He recites poetry or scripture. His
booming voice and lyrical way of speaking

443
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.760
is very effective in a court room. In late October of twenty seventeen,

444
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:52.559
three days before the trial was to
begin, the prosecution asked for a continuance,

445
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:57.320
saying they felt the defense needed more
time, which was some hilarious legal

446
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.199
wrangling because the defense strongly disputed this. If they needed a continuance, they

447
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:07.239
would have asked for it. Bill
Rankin with AJC said that the prosecution was

448
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.920
actually still looking for evidence to support
their indictment of malice murder, so they

449
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.119
put it on hold for four months
and then came back. The AJC also

450
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:21.159
pointed out that they had some ninety
thousand email to go through between texts and

451
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:27.079
Diane. The state's position is that
Tex mac Ivor needed, not just wanted

452
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:31.400
his wife's fortune. They also brought
up the specter of supposed affairs he was

453
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:37.000
having, which was convenient as it
was the reason his ex wife divorced him,

454
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.280
but they could never find any proof
of an affair. Tex worshiped his

455
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.639
wife. The state brought a woman
named Annie Anderson. To testify. She

456
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:50.199
was the messuse I mentioned earlier.
She came over and gave massages to Diane

457
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:54.400
and text regularly. Being wealthy people, they didn't make appointments at a salon.

458
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:59.440
They had a personal messuse who came
to their house. And it's important

459
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.280
to note that she treated both the
mac Ivors and also considered them close friends,

460
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:08.800
as did many of their employees.
Annie Anderson and Rachel Styles, Diane's

461
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:13.880
other personal assistant, stayed with texts
the first couple of days after the shooting

462
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.920
because they were afraid he would mix
up his medication and hurt himself. Annie

463
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:22.320
slept on the floor in Texas room. The prosecution had a fuelled day with

464
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:28.760
this. But you know what is
gross. Their godson, Austin was sleeping

465
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.199
in the bed with texts. Were
they insinuating that he had sex with Annie

466
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:37.679
with his godson in the room.
For her part, Annie Anderson was angry

467
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:44.119
and humiliated that this was even insinuated. She was a professional and this accusation

468
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.599
was detrimental to her career. And
what's more, she cared about the mac

469
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:53.480
Ivers That is really clear in her
testimony. But aside from imaginary affairs,

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00:36:53.559 --> 00:37:00.320
all the state really had was money. Tex wanted Diane's money. As I

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00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.960
told you, his income had drastically
decreased at his age. He was no

472
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.760
longer an equity partner, but an
income partner, and his expenses at the

473
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:13.679
ranch were exorbitant, and it is
something he and Diane were talking about.

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00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.480
In an email the state found,
he tells her he's trying to reduce his

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00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:22.480
monthly expenses. She then playfully suggests
that he'd take over the job of his

476
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.480
ranch hand at the Putnam County ranch. He says, well, guess it's

477
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:30.519
back to being a jiggalow. And
the state thought this was nefarious. The

478
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:35.440
defense thought it was playful banter.
Yes, there were money issues, but

479
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.480
Tex still made money, and he
and Diane were both millionaires. They would

480
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:43.480
work it out. To me,
this sounds very much like playful banter.

481
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:45.960
I would hate for a prosecutor to
see some of the texts I sent to

482
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:52.800
my own husband when joking around.
Danny Joe Carter was the state's star witness

483
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:58.199
at trial. They later even called
her the MVP. But the biggest problem

484
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.480
with the state's case is all the
promises they made in the opening statement.

485
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:06.199
They continued to allude to a second
will, a will that could never prove

486
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.360
existed. It was never found.
It's why they wanted to go through all

487
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:15.599
those emails and when they did find
an email talking about wills, but nothing

488
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:20.440
was formalized. The lawyer who was
copied on this email told the AJAC that

489
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.920
drafting a will for people is kind
of like selling life insurance. Folks keep

490
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.599
putting this stuff off because they don't
want to think about it. The lawyer

491
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:32.119
didn't think it was fishy at all, and yes, the state proved that

492
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:37.159
Tex was ever spending and his income
had gone down, but in reality,

493
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.239
Diane made more money than him.
If he was really worried that much about

494
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:45.159
money, it makes more sense for
Diane to live. She was the breadwinner,

495
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:51.599
and every friend agreed that they were
in love, ridiculously in love,

496
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.280
the kind of couple who, after
five years of dating and ten years of

497
00:38:54.320 --> 00:39:00.400
marriage, still held hands all the
time. Friends turned on Tech by the

498
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.519
time of the trial because of his
many bad, callous looking choices. He

499
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.280
did auction off her things, and
he also asked a colleague of hers if

500
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:13.119
he would be able to draw her
Social Security benefits. This was only a

501
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.679
few days after her death. And
that's the problem with Tex. He not

502
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:21.920
only takes bad advice, but he
makes bad decisions. But none of that

503
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.320
makes him a murderer. I do
think he was worried about how he would

504
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:30.320
live out his days, how he
would maintain this lifestyle. And he could

505
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:35.559
also just be a greedy bastard.
That's true, but I don't think he

506
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:37.960
killed her over it. She was
the one keeping him in such a lavish

507
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:44.079
lifestyle to begin with, and he
adored her. Even friends who turned against

508
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:49.000
him couldn't argue with that. It's
why they found it so shocking. At

509
00:39:49.039 --> 00:40:05.480
trial, Text did not take the
stand in his own defense. I am

510
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.880
not going to take you, gabbled
to Gabble through the trial of Tex MacIvor.

511
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:13.559
I would rather point you to the
excellent podcast breakdown by the AJAC that

512
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:19.199
I've already mentioned. Their long form
podcast on this case covers Texas trial extensively,

513
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:23.599
so I will just give you some
highlights. There were competing firearms experts.

514
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:28.159
One sticking point is that no one
knows if the gun was actually cocked.

515
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.760
The police didn't ask that question right
away, and Text later said he

516
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:37.360
couldn't remember. The difference is if
it wasn't cocked. It takes twelve pounds

517
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.320
of pressure to pull that trigger.
If it was cocked, it takes less

518
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.079
than two pounds. That makes a
lot more sense for an accidental shooting.

519
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.079
There was no way to know for
sure, but I am willing to bet

520
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:52.800
that after Diane handed text the gun, he cocked it to be ready and

521
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:54.840
had it sitting in his lap,
and then he did not off back to

522
00:40:54.880 --> 00:41:00.239
sleep. And many people have difficulty
with this. If he was afraid enough

523
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:04.760
to ask for his gun, how
could he just not off to this?

524
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.920
I say he was seventy three years
old, he had played golf and the

525
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.320
hot Georgia son for four hours,
and then had been drinking wine. The

526
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.159
defense also made some really good points
about why if he wanted to kill his

527
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:20.559
wife would he do it this way? Why try and shoot her in the

528
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:23.519
car through the seat. There was
a great chance that the bullet could have

529
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:29.719
ricocheted back at him or get lodged
in Diane's seat. There's any possible scenario

530
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:31.840
that would have made this a strange
way to kill his wife, the first

531
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:37.239
problem being that he did it in
front of her best friend. But the

532
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.719
prosecution did do a good job of
making texts out to be the entitled,

533
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:45.679
white, rich, politically connected man
he was. None of that is false.

534
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.199
It just makes the police look bad
for not going after him harder in

535
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.199
the first place. However, I
don't think the police were going that easy

536
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:58.559
on him. The detective on his
case had worked over forty malice murder cases

537
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.960
before. He had an ex excellent
record. He had an eyewitness that said

538
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:06.800
it was an accident. He had
a dying declaration from the victim saying it

539
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.360
was an accident. I will say
that they definitely should have brought him in

540
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:15.400
for formal questioning that night, if
for no other reason than protocol. If

541
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.480
his connections helped at all, it
was that they gave him those couple of

542
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:24.440
days before their formal interview. The
problem was both the prosecution and defense,

543
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:30.679
when all or nothing in closing arguments, both asked the jury not to find

544
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.679
him guilty of involuntary manslaughter. The
defense wanted a straight not guilty this was

545
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:44.760
an accident. The state wanted premeditated
malice murder, so the original involuntary manslaughter

546
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.960
charge was taken off the table.
The jury could choose malice or felony,

547
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.400
or they could find him not guilty, but that was it. During deliberations,

548
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.599
the jury kept sending out questions that
made the defense feel pretty good.

549
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:02.400
They didn't seem to grasp the life
legal definition of intent. Things were looking

550
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:07.559
pretty good for Texts, especially once
the jury sent word that they were deadlocked,

551
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:12.599
but the judge gave them instructions to
keep deliberating, and then they came

552
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:16.880
back with a confusing verdict. They
found Tex guilty of felony murder, aggravated

553
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:21.280
assault with a deadly weapon, possession
of a firearm, and commission of a

554
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:27.039
felony, and witness influencing. The
reason it's confusing is felony murder is like

555
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:30.840
second degree murder. It means a
person was killed in the commission of another

556
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:36.239
felony. In this case, that
would be the aggravated assault charge, meaning

557
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.000
there was no actual intent to kill
Diane, but just to harm her.

558
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:45.360
See what I mean by the jury
not understanding intent. So why did they

559
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:51.480
decide this way with the conflicting verdicts. Why would Text shoot Diane unless he

560
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:55.239
meant to kill her? The problem
here lies in what the jury was not

561
00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:01.000
allowed to ask. Malice murder and
felony murder have the same punishments, but

562
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.840
they were not allowed to ask how
long Text would go to prison for these

563
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.480
offenses. They did ask, but
of all the questions that this judge allowed,

564
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:13.679
he refused this one. And it
is a matter of law, except

565
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:19.920
in capital cases, juries are not
to consider punishment during their deliberations. Maybe

566
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:22.800
they thought that felony murder was a
lesser charge, when in reality it's basically

567
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:28.360
the same in terms of punishment.
Tex MacIvor will spend the rest of his

568
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.760
natural life in prison he would have
if he had been convicted of malice murder.

569
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:37.440
Also, I think the defense made
a crucial mistake with all or nothing

570
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.920
charged to the jury. Typically,
all types of murder charges are on an

571
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.800
indictment to give the jury and out
if they don't believe it was premeditated.

572
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.559
It's not surprising the prosecution one of
this charge removed, But it was the

573
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:54.119
defense who really rolled the dice.
Here. Tex is now embroled in a

574
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:59.400
wrongful death suit with Diane's estate.
But here's the thing, so is Danny

575
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:04.119
Joe Carter. She is named in
the same suit. The suit says that

576
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.719
she breached the duty of driving in
a safe manner at all times, but

577
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.480
specifically cites her decision not to call
nine one one and to drive to an

578
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:16.440
ear instead. As of May of
twenty nineteen, the lawsuit hasn't been settled,

579
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:22.360
so I'm sure by now you guys
know what I think. I think

580
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:27.960
Tux mac Ivor was guilty of involuntary
manslaughter due to reckless conduct. I do

581
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.960
not believe he intended to murder his
wife. I think he is an old

582
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:35.760
man who had handled guns his whole
life and never thought something like this could

583
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:40.199
happen to him. I think it
was a horrible tragedy, and his behavior

584
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:45.199
after the fact was shitty. He
took bad advice and also made several bad

585
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:51.639
choices on his own. He really
was his own worst enemy. But being

586
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:55.440
a dumbass does not make you a
murderer. And you know what, maybe

587
00:45:55.519 --> 00:46:00.000
race did belong in this trial,
regardless of whether Tax made the Black Lives

588
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:05.280
Matter comment or if it was really
his pr guy, the specter of race

589
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:08.880
is there. This bad spot of
town they were stopped at wasn't just about

590
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:14.480
homeless people, It was about black
people. Tex was an old white guy.

591
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:19.119
His automatic response to this kind of
neighborhood is indicative of his own racial

592
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:23.760
bias, whether he was conscious of
it or not. And ironically, Diane

593
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:30.639
mcgiver had donated money to the Blue
Lives Matter campaign in Atlanta, tex may

594
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:34.400
Or may not have understood the Black
Lives Matter movement, but it would seem

595
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:38.480
that his wife did. Either way. When he awoke on this dark street,

596
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:43.679
he didn't feel safe, so he
said, Darling, hand me my

597
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:54.079
gun, and Diane mcgiver handed her
husband the gun that killed her. Southern

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is allowed. It's not just a
motto, it's how we run the group.

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