193: Police Corruption & The Murder of Kim Groves

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When we call nine one one,
we expect first responders to get there as

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soon as possible. The torment of
waiting can make it seem like it takes

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forever for help to arrive, even
if it's only a matter of minutes.

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But what if it's not Your panic
can fear? What if it takes a

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large metropolitan police force almost an hour
to get to you. In a medical

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emergency, every second counts, and
even if it's clear that there is no

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hope for the injured person, the
despair of waiting that long next to their

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body is agony. Thursday, October
thirteenth, nineteen ninety four was a big

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day for New Orleans. On one
side of town, their new police Superintendent,

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Richard Pennington, was being worn into
office. On the other side of

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town, a beloved mother of three
was being murdered. This mother was thirty

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two year old Kim Marie Groves.
As a result of Kim's death at the

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hands of dirty police officers, the
New Orleans Police Department's rampant corruption would be

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exposed, and Superintendent Pennington's reign as
the head of THENPD would be forever changed.

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Welcome to Episode one ninety three,
Police Corruption and the Murder of Kim

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Groves. On that Thursday, October
thirteenth of nineteen ninety four, forty eight

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year old Richard Pennington was sworn in
as the City of New orleans newest police

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chief. It was an exciting ceremony, one of pomp and circumstance. The

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air probably smelled fresh like new beginnings, and why shouldn't it. He was

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a great candidate for police superintendent was
certainly qualified for the role. At age

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eighteen, Richard had enlisted in the
US Air Force and served in the Vietnam

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War. After that, he became
a law enforcement officer with the Metropolitan Police

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Department in Washington, DC. He
stayed there for twenty six years and was

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even promoted to assistant chief. Now
Richard was in the big leagues. This

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was his first stint at the top
of the food chain, the superintendent of

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the New Orleans Police Department, and
he was ready, or at least he

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thought he was. Minutes after he
became superintendent, an FBI agent pulled him

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aside. This agent explained to the
newly appointed police chief that the corruption within

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the New Orleans Police Department was bad, very bad, far worse than anybody

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could have ever imagined. As time
went on, the FBI agents explained to

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Richard the nuances of thenpd's corruption.
There were rogue officers, a drug ring,

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and an elaborate FBI sting operation meant
to take down dozens of dirty cops.

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Years later, Richard told The Times
Pickie in newspaper, I thought,

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my lord, what am I getting
myself into? And it just so happens

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in an act of pure coincidence.
On October thirteenth, nineteen ninety four,

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the same day that Richard Pennington was
shaking hands and being congratulated for his new

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position as the superintendent of the NPD, a woman was being murdered. Her

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name was Kim Groves, and her
death would become the unexpected catalyst that revealed

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what the FBI had suspected all along, years and years of corruption within the

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New Orleans Police Department. I'm going
to pause now for a short commercial break.

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Kim Marie Groves was born on January
tenth, nineteen sixty two, in

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New Orleans to parents, Nathaniel and
Gwendolyn. We don't know much about Kim's

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childhood, but through Kim's family,
we do know that she became an important

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woman who impacted the lives of many. In an interview with Rare Reports,

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Kim's nephew, Pops and her youngest
daughter, Jasmine, described Kim as above

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all else, a mother. She
was a literal mother to her three children,

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Jasmine, her son, and her
eldest daughter. That Kim wasn't just

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a biological mother. She was a
spiritual one, a protector by nature,

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a warrior, a queen. In
Kim's neighborhood, the fifth District of New

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Orleans, she was recognized as a
mother to all, as in, if

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you were a kid in the thirteen
hundred block of Alabo Street, you knew

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Kim wass family. You knew she
cared about you, loved you, wanted

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what was best for you, and
she would fight tooth and nail to make

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sure you were safe, happy,
and healthy. Kim watched over everyone.

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She wasn't going to let anyone slip
through the cracks, and she regularly went

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above and beyond to ensure the well
being of others. She was known for

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celebrating the successes of the neighborhood kids
get an A on a test. Kim

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was ready to senior praises, get
hired for a part time job. She

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was going to be the first to
congratulate you. But she was also known

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for reminding those same neighborhood kids to
be better people when they made poor choices.

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And that's because Kim was a believer
of justice. If you did something

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wrong, you needed to take responsibility
for your actions. You had to.

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We all did, otherwise, what
would the world come to. So in

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the fall of nineteen ninety four,
when Kim heard that a high school acquaintance

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turned police officer and as partner,
had pistol whipped a neighborhood kid, she

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was not going to let it slide, especially because the kid in question,

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a teenager named to Nathan, hadn't
done anything wrong. According to Kim,

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the officers had mistaken and Nathan for
a person involved in the shooting of an

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officer. About a day after this
pistol whipping incident happened, on or near

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October eleventh, Kim went to the
New Orleans Police Department Office of Internal Affairs.

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There, she failed a complaint against
that officer who she knew from high

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school, and his partner in the
complaint. Kim reported both officers for alleged

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police brutality. On the evening of
Thursday, October thirteenth, Kim was at

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home planning a party. Her youngest
daughter, Jasmine's thirteenth birthday, was the

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next day, on Friday, October
fourteenth. Everyone was excited. Thirteen years

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old is such a big deal.
Little Jasmine wasn't so little anymore. She

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would be a teenager, just one
step closer to adulthood. That Thursday night,

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Jasmine had her cousin Ever for a
sleepover. They were playing card games

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when Kim burst into the room,
serenading Jasmine with her own silly rendition of

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the Happy Birthday song. And it
was such a happy moment, one that,

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according to Jasmine, she would never
forget. Not long after this mini

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birthday celebration, Kim stepped out of
the house. It was about eleven pm.

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We're not sure where she was going, and honestly, it doesn't matter,

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because minutes later, the phone started
ringing in the Grove's household. After

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a few rings, Jasmine picked up
the phone. The person on the other

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end of the line a woman was
screaming frantically. She told Jasmine, Kim

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has just been shot, and I
think she's dead. Jasmine ran out of

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the house, down the block and
around the corner, and that's when she

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saw her mother, thirty two year
old Kim Marie Groves, lying on the

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cement. She was dead and the
cause was clear, a single gunshot wound

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delivered straight to Kim's head in what
reporters would later call execution style. As

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twelve year old Jasmine took the sea
in, she was immediately in shock,

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but soon she realized somebody needed to
call nine one one, and that somebody

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was her. But according to Jasmine, after she explained the tragic situation to

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a nine one one operator, it
still took emergency responders forty five minutes to

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arrive. And even though Jasmine recalled
that her mother was clearly dead far beyond

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the help of any medical professional,
that long of a response time was still

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upsetting. It was yet another clue
that the New Orleans Police Department was not

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concerned about Kim, or Jasmine or
anyone else in the New Orleans fifth District.

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As Jasmine and her family waited for
the police, they sat alongside Kim's

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lifeless body. Jasmine told rare reports
that her grandfather picked up Kim's spilled brain

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matter and washed it in a nearby
a levee. Jasmine explained that this was

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a ritual, a cleansing that would
allow Kim to be fully released from this

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world and sent peacefully onward to the
next. After the police came and went,

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they left remnants of Kim's murder on
the sidewalk for over twenty four hours.

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Jasmine remembered seeing her mother's bloodstains on
the sidewalk after school the next day,

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and later Jasmine would say it felt
like a dream. Almost a month

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passed after Kim's murder, and it
appeared that there was little to no progress

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on her investigation. An eyewitness had
said the killer looked similar to Kim's boyfriend,

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but when it turned out the perpetrator
wasn't Kim's boyfriend, that was it.

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The investigation slowed to a full,
heart wrenching stop. I'm going to

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about Kim, and since Kim's murder
didn't make the news, there wasn't any

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public pressure to force the NPD to
care either. But suddenly, on November

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two of nineteen ninety four, the
FBI came out of the woodwork. They

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received eight search warrants, one of
which was for the home of twenty four

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year old Damon Causey, a known
drug trafficker with a reputation for violence.

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During the raid, the FBI found
a gun in Damon's home. They knew

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they would, after all, the
FBI had rated Damon's home specifically to look

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for this specific gun, And then
ballistics testing proved what the FBI had already

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suspected that Damon's nine millimeter handgun was
the murder weapon used in Kim Groves's death.

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It matched a bullet casing found at
the scene of the crime and everything.

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But how had the FBI known to
look for the murder weapon used to

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kill Kim in Damon's home? In
fact, why were the FBI involved in

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Kim's case at all? Kim a
beloved woman had been betrayed by her local

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police and her local media, both
of whom hadn't taken hardly any notice of

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her absence. So why had the
FBI, the United States top investigative force,

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take notice. Well, it's a
hell of a story. To explain

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it, I'll have to go back
to the beginning. In nineteen eighty eight,

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a twenty four year old man named
Lynn Davis joined the New Orleans Police

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Department, and right from the beginning, Lynn was not the perfect cop.

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In fact, he was far from
perfect. Over the course of seven years

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the NPD, Lynn would gain a
reputation for poor performance. In nineteen ninety,

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he was suspended for fifteen days after
crashing his police vehicle, and on

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another occasion, he was found guilty
of a battery arrest and was suspended for

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fifty one days. And Lynn didn't
handle his ever growing list of disciplinary fractions

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well. He started drinking more,
he became increasingly violent while on duty,

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and the number of internal affairs complaints
filed against Lynn's behavior went up and up.

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Later, one of his own lawyers
would indicate that Lynn never had any

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business being on a police force.
So why was Lynn still on the New

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Orleans Police Force. Why didn't they
just fire him? You know the old

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saying, how one bad apple spoils
the bunch. Well, if ever there

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had been a bad apple, it
was probably Lynn Davis. If THENPD could

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just throw Lynn out, they would
save the rest of them from being equally

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rotten. But the department couldn't fire
Lynn. They couldn't fire anybody. And

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that's because the NONPD was drowning in
violence. In the mid nineties, New

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Orleans experienced more criminal activity than ever
before, and the year Kim Groves was

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murdered nineteen ninety four, there had
been a record breaking amount of homicide victims

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four hundred and twenty four to be
exact. A former commander of the innopd's

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homicide division, Jimmy Keene, told
The Times Pickyune, we were really knee

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deep in murders. We just chased
our tales, going from one murder to

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the next. New Orleans was overwhelmed
by crime and underwhelmed by qualified applicants for

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police officer positions. And since the
NPD was forced to accept anybody and everybody

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into their ranks, they became horribly
corrupt. New Orleans police officers knew their

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jobs were secure and with an annual
salary of less than eighteen thousand a year,

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which is thirty seven thousand in today's
money, these officers were looking for

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side gigs, and some of them
didn't much care whether or not these side

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gigs were legal. Now, thirty
seven thousand may sound like an okay salary

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depending on where you live, but
New Orleans has always been known for its

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staggeringly high cost of living. Today, New Orleans is forty four percent more

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expensive to live than the average US
city. Because of all these contributing factors,

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the NPD became notorious for accepting cash
in exchange for favors, committing crimes,

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and hurting civilians, all without facing
any consequences. At first, the

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people of New Orleans were outraged by
this illegal police activity. They filed complaint

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after complaint against the NOPD. The
Justice Department reported that in the nineties,

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New Orleans sometimes led the country and
police brutality complaints, But after a while,

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when nothing seemed to be changing,
the people of New Orleans stopped speaking

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out against the police. Is often, why would you if nothing was going

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to change and now you would have
a target on your back. It simply

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wasn't worth it. The Mayor of
New Orleans, Mark Moriel, who was

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elected the same year Kim was killed, said the New Orleans Police Department was

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the worst police department in the nation, Riddled with corruption, leading the nation

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in civil rights complaints, and populated
by criminals and uniforms. It was a

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tremendous stain on the police department's history. Needless to say, the department didn't

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have any credibility within its community,
especially not in its more affordable neighborhoods like

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the Fifth District, where most of
the crime was happening. In nineteen ninety

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four, the Fifth District was where
one third of all New Orleans homicides happened.

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For the record, there are eight
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one of them being home to one
third of all murders. That's a big

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deal, a statistical anomaly. This
is the location where you want your best

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and brightest officers, the cream of
the crop. But of course the NPD

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wasn't equipped to assign the best and
brightest anywhere. So in night teen eighty

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nine, the Fifth District is where
the young officer Lynn Davis made a name

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for himself. Locals called Lynn the
Desire Terrorist, and that's because he frequently

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patrolled a public housing complex called Desire, and as his nickname suggests, Lynn

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wasn't above using terror to get his
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officer, he and Kim Groves actually
knew each other. They had attended the

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same New Orleans High school sometime in
the eighties. Lynne was a few years

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behind Kim, but Kim had interacted
with him on several occasions enough times to

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know that she was not a fan. From the way Kim's daughter, Jasmine

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tells it, not many were a
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According to Jasmine, Kim thought he
was weak, maybe even mean,

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and Lynn wasn't above picking on other
kids. According to Jasmine, Kim once

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saw Lynne try to convince some other, probably younger boys, to put their

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heads under the tires of parked vehicles, and Kim, always a protector,

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always a mother, immediately put a
stop to that bullshit. She told Lynne

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exactly what he should be doing instead
of harassing other kids. Jasmine speculated in

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her interview with Rare Reports that perhaps
Lynne liked be in a cop because of

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his friendless childhood experiences. For so
long, he was probably the butt of

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a lot of jokes, maybe even
bullied before he became a bully himself.

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Now, as a police officer,
Lynn had power. If someone acted in

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a way he didn't like, he
could arrest them or worse. I'm going

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to pause now for a short commercial
break. Over time, Lynn Davis became

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one of the more corrupt inn OPD
officers. His big thing was protecting drug

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dealers and traffickers in exchange for money. Through this operation, Lynn made friends

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with many seedy people in the dark
underbelly of New Orleans, including a narcotics

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dealer and hitman and named Paul Hardy. His friends called him cool. When

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Lyne's colleague, officer Leon Duncan,
realized he was getting closer to this guy,

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he was concerned. And it wasn't
even like Leon was a squeaky clean

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officer. He just knew that Paul
was a really, really bad guy.

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In fact, according to Leon,
Paul was the suspect in quite a few

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murder cases he had worked on.
So when Leon saw Lynn take a call

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from Paul during a backyard cookout,
he asked Lynne what was going on.

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Here's what Leon testified in court.
Lynn Davis got on the phone and he

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told the individual on the phone,
yeah, yeah, I'm home, just

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come on over. When I asked
him who that was, thinking it was

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a policeman that he was inviting over
since he was having a cookout, and

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Lynne said, oh, that's Paul. I said, Paul, Paul Hardy

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and he said yeah. And I
said, what the fuck are you doing

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hanging out with a cold blooded killer
like Paul Hardy? And he said,

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man, Paul Hardy, eate never
killed nobody that didn't deserve to die.

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I said, who the fuck are
you or Paul Hardy to decide who lives

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or dies? And he made the
statement, well, Dunk, you just

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don't understand the game. I said, fuck the game. We're talking about

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people's lives. And he said,
see, that's your problem now. In

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addition to all this, Lynn also
helped a group of law enforcement officers sell

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cocaine on the streets of New Orleans. Together, these police officers covered each

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other's tracks through violence, intimidation,
and falsified evidence. All this is to

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say, if NPD police officers in
the nineties were bad, Lynn Davis might

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have been the worst, But the
universe had something waiting for Lynn, an

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act of karma that was going to
help balance the scales of justice. Because

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one day Lynn tried to pressure a
cocaine dealer into paying him for his protection

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services, and that cocaine dealer just
so happened to be an FBI informant.

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And when the FBI learned of Lynn's
drug racket, they knew that he was

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only the tip of the iceberg.
So the FBI orchestrated a complex sting operation

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to take down every corrupt officer in
the New Orleans Police Department. It was

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called Operations Shattered Shield, and it
began in December of nineteen ninety three.

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The FBI knew that Lynn Davis and
his partner Sammy Williams were eager to make

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money through illegal drugs, so undercover
FBI agents posed as a large scale cocaine

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operation and they hired Lynn and Sammy
to assist their business. Lynn and Sammy

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helped safeguard drug shipments and stood watch
at a warehouse filled to the brim with

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cocaine. After only a few months, Lynn and Sammy recruited seven other police

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officers to join them. The undercover
FBI agents running the whole thing were stunned

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at how smoothly this entire process was
going. They had enough evidence to charge

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Lynn pretty early on, but as
long as Lynn kept bringing in more and

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more corrupt cops, the FBI was
happy to let the operation continue. And

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these police officers were bowld too.
Sometimes they would engage in a legal activity

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while on duty and in uniform,
and no time at all. The FBI

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had plenty of recorded evidence they could
use to put these officers away, But

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of course, operations Shattered Shield had
some bumps. According to the then New

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Orleans FBI commander Neil Gallagher, one
undercover FBI agent was almost outed in the

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early stages. Somehow a rumor got
around that one guy was an undercover FBI

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agent. A showdown occurred and this
FBI agent had to strip naked to show

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everyone he wasn't wearing a wire,
And luckily, that agent just happened to

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not being a wire at that specific
time, And even more luckily, the

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entire ordeal was captured on videotape.
But as far as extremely dangerous FBI missions

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go, this one was fairly smooth, and the FBI had a lot writing

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on it. A year into the
sting, the FBI had employed the efforts

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of over sixty agents. They used
more than one hundred and thirty kilos of

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real cocaine, and they paid about
ninety seven thousand in cash to Lynn and

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his guise. The FBI needed their
investments here to pay out, and they

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suspected that besides the nine NPD officers
they already caught red handed, they could

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probably get two more with just a
little time. In case you're counting,

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that's about thirty corrupt New Orleans Police
officers. At this time, the entire

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NPD had about two hundred officers,
so that means fifteen percent of the New

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Orleans Police Department could have gone down
for corruption. But unfortunately they didn't,

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and that's because the FBI ran out
of the one thing they needed. Time.

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Now, let's return to October of
nineteen ninety four. Kim Groves bravely

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made a complaint against both Lynn and
his partner Sammy for police brutality. And

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this complaint should have been confidential,
but at around one am on October twelfth,

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Lynn found out about it. One
of his fellow officers called him and

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explained the situation in detail. Kim
Groves, an acquaintance Lynn already didn't like,

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had had some bad things to say
about Lynn's policing, and Lynn was

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outraged. He insisted Kim was lying
that his partner Sammy, had pistol whipped

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the kid, not him. For
the record, even if that's true,

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who cares. You can't just watch
your police partner beat up a kid and

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not do anything. Right After learning
of Kim's complaint against him, Lynne paged

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his good buddy, twenty seven year
old Paul Hardy, and Paul called back.

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The two men discussed and vague terminology
their plan to kill Kim Groves.

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Paul was to shoot her, then
Lynn and his partner Sammy would falsify evidence

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at the crime scene to cover Paul's
tracks. Lynn and Sammy drove Paul to

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Kim's neighborhood and their police car.
The three men tried to track her down,

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but couldn't find her. At about
seven thirty pm, Paul got out

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of the car to walk around the
neighborhood, but Kim was nowhere to be

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found. Lynne was frustrated. He
wanted to take care of Kim now.

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Lynn and Sammy drove Paul home.
They were to call Paul. Once they

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found Kim, Lynn and Sammy went
back to the Fifth District where Kim lived

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and continued searching. Lynn became angrier
and angrier as the evening went on,

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and Kim remained alive. At about
ten p m. Lynn and Sammy found

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her. She was near her home
on the thirteen hundred block of Alaba Street.

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Lynne paged Paul and Paul called back. Then. Lynne described Kim's appearance

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to Paul, and Paul said that
he was on his way. At this

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time, Sammy shift had ended,
so he went home, leaving Lynde to

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stew in his own negativity. Forty
five minutes later, Lynne was upset because

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Paul hadn't shown up, so Lynne
called Paul again and described Kim again in

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excruciating detail, down to her light
brown eyes. And after this call,

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Paul finally arrived, but he wasn't
alone. Two men were with him.

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One was twenty four year old Damon
Cauzey. Damon was in charge of getting

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rid of the murder weapon, and
the second man was Steve Jackson. He

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was the getaway driver. At eleven
PM on October thirteenth, Paul found Kim

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around the corner from her home and
killed her with a single shot to the

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head. He fled the scene with
Damon and Steve. Then he called Lynne.

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Paul laughed as he confirmed that Kim
was dead, and Lynn audibly celebrated,

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cheering at the death of the highly
beloved and irreplaceable Kim. Marie Groves

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and the FBI, well, they
heard all of this, every single word

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exchanged between Lynn and Paul leading up
to and after Kim's murder. So I

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know your first question, and it's
a good one. How did they know

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all of this? Well, Lynn's
cell phone was wire tapped by the FBI.

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In fact, Lynne had actually gotten
the cell phone from the FBI.

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He told his new cocaine business associates, you know, the ones that were

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undercover FBI agents, that he needed
a cell phone to help conduct their business,

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and the undercover FBI agents posing as
cocaine traffickers were happy to give lenn

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a new cell phone with a few
modifications so they could record his every move.

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Now you probably have a second question. I know that Kim's family definitely

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did, and that was if the
FBI was listening to all of Lyne's phone

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calls and heard him and Paul colluding
to assassinate Kim, why didn't they stop

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it? According to the FBI,
their agents didn't know what to make of

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Lyne's strange phone conversations with Paul near
the time of Kim's murder. They attributed

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the misunderstanding to lennon Paul's vague coded
language about Kim. Keep in mind,

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lenn and Paul weren't speaking this way
because they thought Lynne's phone was bugged,

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because they had no idea about that. They were using coded language, probably

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because they didn't want eavesdroppers to get
any ideas, or at least that's how

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the FBI spun this part of the
story. In court, the contents of

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these phone call recordings would be revealed, and as it turns out, Lynn

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and Paul weren't speaking and hardly any
code at all. Lynn can be heard

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telling an unknown person, I can
get p to come and do that horn

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now, and then we can handle
the thirty. In this context, thirty

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is police code for homicide, as
in, my partner Sammy and I will

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clean up the homicide crime scene.
And Lynn also told Paul come do that

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horn now and later after it's done, goes straight uptown and call me.

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Many people have criticized the FBI for
not stopping the murder of Kim Groves,

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and they may be right. It
wouldn't be the first time the FBI has

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been accused of letting someone they deem
unnecessary die in order to further their larger

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mission. But the FBI publicly maintained
that they did not know Kim was going

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to be shot. Gallagher, the
leader of operations Shattered Shield, was reported

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by The Times Pickyune to have said, Unfortunately, we were not provided with

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enough information to allow us to prevent
it. The pertinent conversations were spread out

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over a ten hour period and were
intermingled with many other discussions concerning their protection

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activity at the warehouse. The conversations
simply did not alert us to what would

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occur. They were cryptic and they
did not take on significance until compared with

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other events. But once it became
clear to the FBI that Lynn had masterminded

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the murder of Kim Groves, they
still didn't act. It wasn't until Lynn

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started planning violence against even more people
still using his bugged cell phone, that

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the FBI decided to pull the plug
on operations shattered shield so as I said

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before. In November, one month
after Kim's murder, the FBI rated Damon

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Causey's home. There they found the
murder weapon used to kill Kim, and

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a month after that, on December
fifth, Lynn, Davis, Paul Hardy,

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and Damon Causey were arrested. All
three were charged with one conspira he

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to injure a press, threaten,
and intimidate Kim Groves and another individual in

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the right to be free from use
of unreasonable force. We're not sure who

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that other individual is, and two
violating Kim Grove's civil rights, and three

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killing Kim Groves with the intent to
prevent her from communicating information to a federal

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law enforcement officer relating to the commission
of a federal offense. They faced life

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in prison with a possibility of a
death sentence. Two days later, on

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December seventh, Lynn and eight additional
officers in the NPD were arrested. They

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faced charges of conspiracy to distribute cocaine
and use of firearms while drug trafficking among

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those eight, whereas a sergeant and
Lynn's own partner, Sammy Williams. All

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nine officers faced life in prison,
but it was public knowledge that even more

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New Orleans officers probably would have been
arrested had the FBI been able to continue

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their investigation. In fact, twelve
officers had been placed on desk duty while

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awaiting the results of the FBI operation. Three of those officers walked free.

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Attorney Frank Disavo, a representative of
the Police Association of New Orleans, set

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on Wednesday, December seventh, I
just left three happy officers who didn't get

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indicted. Maybe there wasn't enough evidence, or maybe they didn't do anything.

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While Kim Groves's murder hadn't made hardly
any newspapers only a few months before,

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now it was the talk of the
town. Actually, this entire debacle was

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a huge scandal for New Orleans.
Headline's focused on innopd's widespread corruption, on

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how officer Lyne Davis hired a trigger
man to kill an unsuspecting mother, on

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the FBI's somewhat successful steeing operation,
and of course, on the remaining unknown

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police officers who were a single hair's
breadth away from being arrested by the FBI.

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If community feelings towards the NPD were
bad before, now they were abysmal.

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New Orleans residence had no way of
knowing if the police offer who was

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supposed to be helping them was only
one lucky take away from being indicted for

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corruption. I'm going to pause now
for a final commercial break. The operations

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shattered shill scandal was so big it
shaped the New Orleans political landscape. The

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city mayor at the time, Mark
Morial said Lynn Davis was quote one of

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the worst examples of what the department
had come to. Morial asserted that he

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would not tolerate cavalier cops by saying, we're on a crusade. We're going

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to be in a holy war.
We're going to clean this department up.

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And on the same exact day that
Kim Groves was murdered, the New Orleans

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Police Department was swearing in their new
leader, Superintendent Richard Pennington, and Pennington

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famously learned of Kim's death, Lynn's
corruption, and the secret FBI steeing operation

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only a few days into his new
job. Pennington had come to the NPD

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knowing corruption was an issue that was
part of the reason he got the job,

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but he probably never imagined just how
far the weeds of corruption had grown

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in the NPD. There's even some
suggestion that the previous superintendent was in on

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it. After all, the FBI
hadn't told him about operations Shattered Shield.

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As prosecutors Constantine George's and Mike McMahon
prepared for the trial against Lynn, Davis,

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Paul Hardy, and Damon Causey,
they decided to seek the death penalty

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for Lynn and Paul, not Damon, and on April eighth of nineteen ninety

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six, two years after Kim's murder, the trial began. Lynn, Paul,

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and Damon were co defendants. Steve
Jackson, the getaway driver, testified

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for the prosecution, so if he
faced any charges, which he might not

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have, it wasn't during this specific
trial. Throughout the course of the trial,

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the state painted Lynn as the mastermind
behind Kim's murder. He wanted Kim

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dead because she had fought a complaint
against him with the NPD's Internal Affairs office,

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and this argument didn't take much convincing
as Lynne was the mastermind. The

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many many hours of recorded phone calls
proved it. Honestly, the phone calls

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kind of made this case open and
shut. There really was no question as

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to who had done what or why. But the States still covered all their

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bases. Lynn's partner, Sammy Williams, testified for the prosecution. Sammy played

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guilty to those conspiracy and drug trafficking
charges and was cooperating to get a lighter

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sentence. So In his testimony,
Sammy corroborated the phone calls recorded by the

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FBI, and Sammy also explained that
Lynn gave Paul three hundred dollars as a

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token of appreciation for the murder of
Kim Groves. During closing arguments, prosecutor

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McMahon said life in prison is too
good for Lynn Davis. He deserves to

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die for what he did, and
Prosecutor Georges agreed, calling attention to the

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fact that Lynn had never expressed any
remorse for his crimes. Georges asked the

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jury, what more does someone have
to do to deserve the highest penalty the

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law provides. The only defense presented
was that Kim's boyfriend was the killer because

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of the two eyewitnesses who said the
assailant who shot Kim looked similar to Kim's

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boyfriend. Lynn did not testify.
On Wednesday, April twenty fourth, nineteen

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ninety six, after two days of
deliberations, the jury found thirty one year

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old Lynn Davis and twenty eight year
old Paul Hardy were guilty of all three

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charges. Twenty five year old Damon
Causey was found guilty of two. The

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jury couldn't decide if Damon was guilty
of actually killing Kim, which was the

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third charge, so that ended in
a mistrial. Upon hearing his guilty verdict,

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Lynne visibly sagged in his chair.
He was sentenced to death. Next

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was Paul. He also received the
death penalty, but after years of legal

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footwork, he was determined to be
intellectually disabled, meaning he wasn't eligible for

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the death penalty. But many people, including some of Kim's family and experts

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on IQ test, believed that Paul
was not intellectually disabled, rather he had

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faked poor test scores to get out
of the death penalty. Regardless, Paul

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won that legal fight, and although
he's not facing the lethal injection, he

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will spend the rest of his life
in prison. Damon was sentenced to life

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in prison. At this sentencing,
his family became extraordinarily upset. Apparently,

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Damon had rejected a deal from the
federal government just hours before his guilty verdict

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was announced. In that deal,
Damon would have played guilty to accessory to

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murder and he only would have served
a maximum of nine years in prison.

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But according to Damon's lawyer, Damon
had rejected the deal out of loyal to

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his friend Paul. By accepting a
deal, Damon worried he would make Paul

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look guilty. And I mean Paul
was guilty. But those are just the

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details. I suppose. All three
convicted criminals, Len, Paul, and

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Damon have appealed multiple times. One
time, Lenn even represented himself in the

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appeal. It went as poorly as
you can imagine. When Lynn became upset

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at the way the court proceedings were
going, he just stopped showing up to

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court at all. Ultimately, they're
all still in prison. Paul and Damon

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are incarcerated in a federal facility in
Paula, Louisiana, and fifty eight year

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old Lynn Davis sen the terahte Us
Penitentiary in Indiana. He avoided the death

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penalty through his repeated appeals years ago. Kim's family actually wrote a letter to

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the George W. Bush administration asking
that Lynn's sentence be reduced from the death

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penalty to life in prison. According
to the letter, Kim's family was sick

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of coming back to court and reliving
their trauma for every one of Lynde's appeals.

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It was exhausting. But nothing ever
came from that letter. Technically,

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Lynn is still on death row,
but he has some court proceedings in the

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works right now. Lynn's corruption during
his seven years as a New Orleans police

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officer negatively impacted the lives of many
many people, perhaps thousands people were wrongly

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incarcerated and even murder as a result
of Lyne's decisions. The City of New

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Orleans had to go back through each
case that Lynn was even remotely involved in

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and try to determine if he screwed
the whole thing up, or at least

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the City of New Orleans should be
doing that. They've received heavy criticism for

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how long that process has taken them. For example, it wasn't until twenty

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twenty two that New Orleans released three
wrongfully incarcerated men from prison. The men,

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Bernald Juluke, Kunta Gable and Leroy
Nelson, were arrested and charged after

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Lynn accused them of murdering nineteen year
old Rondelle Santiac. This happened in August

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of nineteen ninety four, two months
before Lynn ordered the death of Kim Groves.

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As it turns out, Rondelle's case
might have been a first rone of

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Lynn's assassination process, maybe even the
same one that Kim endured. It's likely

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that Lynn ordered the head against Rondelle
himself. He was concerned that Rondelle's family

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was coming after his drug business,
and so Lynn orchestrator Rondel's death and France

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eighteen year old Burnell, seventeen year
old Kunta, and seventeen year old Leroy

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for it. These three men spent
twenty eight years in Louisiana's harshest state penitentiary,

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known as Angola Prison. They walked
in teenagers and left grown men.

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Their lives were irreparably damaged for a
crime that none of them had committed.

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Upon his release, Kunta Gabel told
the court that he had never even seen

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the man he was supposed to have
killed. If you're a true crima fictionado,

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you know that Lynn could not have
successfully operated the way he did all

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alone for so many years. The
legal system is built with safeguards. If

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the cops are dirty, good lawyers
can figure it out and if the lawyers

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are dirty, then maybe a judge
will catch it, and if not,

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the judge will Hopefully the district attorney's
moral compass can help guide everyone toward morality.

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Recently, The Times, picking a
newspaper, approached Julian Parker, the

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prosecuting lawyer for Rondelle's case. Reporters
asked Julian about the business of wrongfully convicting

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three teens on almost zero evidence,
but Julian said he couldn't remember a single

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detail about the case. That was
a thousand cases ago, he reasoned.

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Following this questionable case in nineteen ninety
four, Julian became a chief judge for

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the district Court. He retired in
twenty fourteen, and the district attorney from

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nineteen seventy three to two thousand three, Harry Connick Senior, never seemed to

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catch on to Lyne Davis or anyone
else's corruption within the New Orleans Police department.

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It's crazy how that happens. I
guess, just pure chance happenstance,

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if you will. Perhaps it was
best said by Peter Sharf, a criminologist

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at Louisiana State University, quote,
the Lynn Davis case needs to be understood

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among systemic corruption. This was an
era, not an individual. Today,

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the City of New Orleans appears to
be working on solving their police corruption problem.

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Former Superintendent Richard Pittington was widely lauded
for his work in eradicating corruption from

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the NPD before he stepped down in
two thousand and two, and more recently,

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from twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen,
New Orleans spent more than fifty million

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dollars on reforms intended to eradicate police
corruption. Sure, these reforms were ordered

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by a federal institution, but we'll
take what we can get. When the

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reforms were signed at City Hall in
two thousand ten, Kim Groves's daughter,

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Jasmine attended the event. Since the
tragic death of her mother, Jasmine and

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other members of Kim's family have been
active advocates for justice. In April twenty

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fifteen, over twenty years after Kim
was murdered, the City of New Orleans

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finally agreed to pay Kim's three children
one point five million in a lawsuit settlement,

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and today Jasmine is the president of
an organization entitled Family's Overcoming Injustice.

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It's a group for loved ones who've
had a loss at the hands of the

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NOPD. You can find and support
them on Facebook. Each year, Jasmine

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holds an event on her own birthday, October fourteenth, to memorialize her mother

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and other victims of civil rights abuses. In twenty fourteen, Jasmine wrote a

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poem for this gathering. It was
entitled Dear Mamma. Here's an excerpt.

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I remember as a child being so
happy and safe seeing the police because the

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car said to protect and serve.
It was nine to one one. I

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called to help and save you,
Yet they know it was their own kind

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