What role does personal experiences and emotions play in musical expression?

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Great. Florida is a beautiful state. It really

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is. It's so much country, and it's just amazing.

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The further north you go, the more south it is,

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meaning Georgia seeps in. So you have all of

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those weeping willows. You know, a lot of bacteria

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on it, too. You have all those weeping willows

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the further north you go. I love weeping willows.

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Yeah, and when you go, and I remember one afternoon

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in South Carolina in the Francis Marion Hotel,

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Swamp Fox. And I was talking to my mother when

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she was alive. And one could talk to their mother

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when they're not alive. And I was, she used to,

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my father used to romance her at that hotel.

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And I was looking out and the wind blowing the

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willows having lunch. And it was a very beautiful

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romantic time. I love it. So we're live. Hi,

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everyone. We're just enjoying. This is Jonathan

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Taylor. I'm so excited because he is bright,

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bold, good -looking. I wish I had his hair. Is

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that your back? Is that your real background

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or is that like a zoom? This is Rebecca. Yeah.

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I love all the artwork on the wall. Doesn't everyone

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want a tour? But anyways. Let's get down to business.

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So Jonathan, thank you for saying yes for this

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live. And we started talking about trees. I will

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tell you, I am a crazy tree person, not a tree

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hugger, but I just like the feeling of trees

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makes me happy. So who is Jonathan Taylor? I

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would know, but this is no prep needed. So I

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didn't have to do any homework. So Jonathan,

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throwing it to you to tell us who you are. I

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thought I had sent you links. I thought I had

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sent you links in bio. You probably did, but

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this is no prep needed. Look at the logo. If

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you want to know who I am, type Jonathan Taylor

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guitar into Google. I'm a solo classical guitarist

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with three albums. I'm a hit lab and Warner Brothers

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recording artist and toured all over the world,

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have lots of adventures and studied many years

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ago in my youth with the many notables of the

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century. for my instrument. And some of them

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are still alive. So that's a brief description.

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I've studied literature, religion, physics. I

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have those interests. Been a lot of strange places

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in the world. You would think a concert artist

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would play in North America and Europe and that,

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but I've also played in India, the Amazon, the

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Philippines, you know, all sorts of. off the

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beaten path concert halls. Okay so now I have

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questions. Sure. I want to first ask you because

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this is so interesting to me. How old were you

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when you first started playing? Four. Who gave

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you the guitar? Was it a guitar? Well at 10 my

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aunt bought me a guitar. At four I was trying

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to pick out tunes on the ukulele because my grandmother

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who was a silent film organist and played with

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all the notables of that era, would be playing

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piano, of course, so I always say I got it kind

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of infused in me since a very young age. She

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played with people like Charlie Chaplin, Lon

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Chaney Sr., Man of a Thousand Faces, Keystone

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Cops, Harold Lloyd. She did many gigs with Harry

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Houdini. And because you imagine when I say silent

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film organist, that's part of the job. Another

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part of the job is in that time, it's vaudeville

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and the Orpheum circuit, which Fox owned before

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he started his 20th century film studios, as

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people know about later, that almost went bankrupt

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and Star Wars saved it. Many companies always

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almost go bankrupt. So. That is the beginning

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of my musical lexicon, so to speak. My aunt bought

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me a guitar at 10. I started to become extremely

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serious. I took an oath at 14, which I say is

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the day I became a man, even though I had sex

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before that, that I knew I wanted to become prominent

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to become a meaningful figure in musical and

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solo classical guitar, which is very different

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than being like a pop person or a country person.

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That's a simple idea. So I, as time went on,

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I studied with Christopher Parkening in a master

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class with private lessons with Pepe Romero and

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his homies, Del Mar and Frederick Node, who at

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that time was a famous Englishman that got a

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contract with PBS here in America and put on

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a public, they called it public service back

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then show that was playing guitar. So that's

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kind of a cursory view of my background. I love

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that because I'm thinking to myself that, you

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know, we as parents, it does it or does it now?

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makes sense to put an instrument, a musical instrument,

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in your child's hands, and how would you recommend

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that they start? Like, what if they gave the

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child a guitar, but the child really is a better

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violinist? What does that look like for a parent

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trying to make the decision? Right, so in all

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honesty, the parents, my mother and grandmother,

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who I was raised by, did not... What should we

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say influence or push me in a direction? My mom

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didn't give a damn what I became I mean I could

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have you know a doctor It could have been anything

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And so I think the person has to be attracted

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to go be originally played the cello and then

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that he didn't want that That's where some of

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his fingerings come from by the way And he wanted

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the classical guitar, which at that time was

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disreputable, kind of a folk instrument, kind

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of a, you know, not a serious instrument of the

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orchestra. And so I don't believe, I believe

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you can present to a child, but then they have

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to make a connection. I mean, it's kind of mystical.

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What is it that somebody in the audience has?

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The 16 Herzegovia, the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion

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downtown LA. What is it that that person sitting

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there wants to become that? Sees the polyphony,

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sees the beauty, sees that it doesn't need four

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people in a rock group, but everything is contained

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right there inside. What is it that one person

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is a listener, is enjoying, likes the concert,

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and another person wants to become that? I mean,

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that is a question. And I guess you can, people

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can trace it and have their theories about it.

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But, you know, I think that's a very individual

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thing. Okay, so, okay. I want to really talk

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about this part of it so that we can help some

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parents that are trying to figure out, you know,

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do they spend the money on their child or not?

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Spend the money on their child. Well, certainly

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the school isn't going to do it. I mean, the

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school is just like, you know, that will never

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work. So, Now they've taken most of the music

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programs are, you know, the rift, they're gone.

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And so the kid, that's how rap came about, you

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know, the kids wanted to create something and

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they weren't getting, you know, the violin, the

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oboe, the cello. And so they, you know, kind

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of went and did their own thing. They only got

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as far as rhythm and speaking in rhythm, but

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I go, there's melody and harmony as well. You're

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left out two thirds, but Yes, I would say present

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it to the child. But if they don't want to do

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violin, and they want to do clarinet, whatever,

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that's very important, I think. That they have

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the freedom to choose. Yeah, I know a lot of

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people they have a piano in your house and you

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say oh Let me my child will play piano and then

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we really need to listen to our children They

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say no, this is not for me Well, my grandmother

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was playing piano constantly all the time and

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I had no attraction in the sense of Being a performer

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on it, you know and being a virtuoso on it I

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use the piano as a sound source in composition

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because one doesn't want to write their exceptions

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to this statement, Chopin is one. One doesn't

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want to write on the instrument they're virtuoso

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on. You want the music, orchestration is a secondary

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matter. And so I do that because of my incompetency.

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And I want that incompetency for composition,

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but for as a sound source, right? So, but to,

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nobody could have forced me to, play the piano

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if I didn't want to. I had a will anyway. So

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I think also as a musician, you have a center

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very early in life that many people are wandering

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and searching for, maybe till death. And I think

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that's true because you become that thing. It's

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amazing to me that the kids now are anxious and

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you know, they have mental problems and all that.

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And I go, well, what lies before us and what

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lies behind us is of little consequence compared

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to what lies within us. I love that. And so,

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I mean, those ideas that kids on drugs, you know,

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and things like that. I go, well, why? Why are

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they anxious? I go, well, because they're not

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anything. Ever heard like a little Japanese kid

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and he plays piano and the notes are perfect,

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but it's the most dry interpretation. Why? Because

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there's no experience there. There's nothing

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communicating from that. Yeah, he's got all the

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notes right, but music is emotional. It is a

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It was kind of a symbolic representation of the

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spirit. It has a form, an abstract form that's

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different from the other arts than painting or

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writing. So, you know, you have to have experiences

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in life to communicate that and to be anxious

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or to be that you have to, you build yourself.

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There's no such thing as finding yourself. You're

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always yourself. I like that. Yeah, you're you're

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a 10 year old. You have that back there. You're

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still you're a 10 year old and you're whatever

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age you are now and you know, 20 or whatever.

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And but you build yourself and you have to have

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a foundation to comfort. Mark Twain used to say,

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oh, you don't have to have a good memory if you

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tell the truth. I love that. Okay, I want to

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switch gears a little bit. I want to switch gears

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because you know, I think it's an average like

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human being that walks into like different places

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or let's just say Nashville, go into Nashville

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and I'm like, oh my God, that this person is

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a superstar. Look at them playing the guitar.

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Look at the drums. Look at their singing. We

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were just on a cruise ship and the little three

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people began. It was amazing. But then I say

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to myself, wow, Adrienne, there's so many people,

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that is such a competitive field that reminds

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me a little bit about like the child that wants

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to be a basketball star or a football star, how

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difficult it really is. So how difficult is it

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when you have musical talent to really make it

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to like where you are, to make it to the, and

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I'm not even sure if you are happy where you

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are, but to make it to the point that would make

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you happy. Can you share a little bit of that?

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I'm happy, everything above ground is happiness.

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I mean, I intend to live every moment. You should

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go into life, as Hunter S. Thompson says, sliding

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in saying, woo, what a ride. That's how your

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death should be. So talking about how competent.

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So probably 80 % of all guitarists in the world

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are at a first to third year level, but they

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don't know it. And the reason why I mean, what

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does that mean? First, what it means is a skill

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level. For instance, you know, I cannot write

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out in physics Maxwell's four electromagnetic

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equations. I have a vague kind of a cursory understanding

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of the fields that are generated from Gauss's

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law and from from Ampere's law and that number

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four. But my understanding is primitive. It's,

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it's, it's cursory, it's slight. I am not that.

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I am not understanding that incredible coherence

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that he put to all electricity, every device,

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the one you're using now, our computers, the

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phone, the electric motor, the internal combustion

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engine, you know, literally hundreds of thousands

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of things generated by uh, that understanding.

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So to, and maybe getting far afield from your

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question. So the competition, well, what do you

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do? You practice six hours a day when you're

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young. I don't need that now. I would play like

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40 minutes an hour a day. Uh, but, but when you're

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beginning, that's the discipline you learn and

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that crosses over into other things in life.

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So if you don't have that discipline, whether

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you know, a great athlete like Larry Bird or

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whoever the athletes are that people like. Those

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people are doing the basketball shots every day,

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10 ,000 hours, right? Isn't that, what's his

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name, Malcolm Gladwell's thing? That 10 ,000

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hours it takes to gain a great skill, 40 hours

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a week, that's probably about five years to gain

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a skill worth gaining. And so. I never thought

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about competition. I don't believe in competition.

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I've had, I've been in competition. Like I was

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playing in Barbados and there were like all the

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big guitars in the world and I pretty much won

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and people say, well, were you in competition?

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I go, I don't even think about crap like that.

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I go, I want to be the best of me. I want to

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play best for me. It's improving me. People say,

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well, you've improved the piece. I go, I never

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improved a piece of my life and neither did anybody

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else in this world. You have to hear the notes.

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I'm improving and refining myself. And as a result

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of that, the interpretation is more erudite and

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more refined. So the idea that I'm in competition,

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I never felt that way. And I never had those

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kind of like I want to beat somebody or I want

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to win or that those things never occurred to

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me. And you have to also discipline like I liked

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playing basketball. Is it like a 16 17 year old?

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But then I jam my finger Right like they always

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seem with a tape on all the time, right? And

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then I like tennis and then I screw my elbow.

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So I had to give up Doing those things. I enjoyed

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those things cuz they well I can't do that because

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now I'm out for a month, right? I can't play

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Well, I love what you said there's best I want

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to just be the best of me I want to let that

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breathe for a minute because that is a fantastic

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thing and I think At all ages thinking of that

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in that way is fantastic So so you didn't really

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answer my question, but I don't even know if

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there is a real answer to that So what would

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you recommend to you meet a young child and they

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say? I want to be what is it? What do you say

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in other words? My mother would put like, you

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know, when kids are kids games in front of you,

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you scrabble, part cheesy, monopoly, whatever

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those games are of the era. And I maybe were

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as interested in one of them, maybe not another.

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And so I say present. And if they're just lazing

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out and doing nothing, then I would say you should

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do something because you're not growing. And

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I have always hated the idea, oh, that was perfect,

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and that was perfectly played. I go, I hope not.

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I don't want to be perfect, because that means

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I don't grow. If I'm perfect, or I'm, quote,

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equal, okay, then how do I grow? I mean, it just

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doesn't make any sense. I want to constantly

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grow. There is a great instrumentalist, I won't

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say his name, all right? He's a great prominent

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musician, classical musician, real musician.

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And here he is, he's in his 60s or 70s, something

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like that. And he's from the Asian culture, which

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is a great culture, and it emphasizes that perfection.

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And he said, after all these years, said, I would

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try to get the pieces perfect. And he realized

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that it was the most boring thing he ever did.

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And if the audience was bored, he was bored.

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And he says, it's really about a human experience.

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Exactly. I go, should have known that when you

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were 10. And that doesn't mean he didn't play

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accurately and all that. But if the audience

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isn't feeling something, what have you given

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them? A computer can play more accurately and

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faster than a human being. Interesting. I love

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what you're saying. Can you explain the difference

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between when someone can just look at a piece

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of music and they play by ear or someone that

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actually like me had to have piano lessons and

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I still just, I don't remember anything. I can't

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really pick it up. I never understood about playing

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by ear. So I think that a lot of people really,

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really want to try to understand what that means.

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Musicians usually learn initially by ear. It

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is true that some cultures, you know, get their

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kids and have them read music. I didn't read

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music until I was like, what, 10 or something.

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So I didn't do that. And 10, I didn't read, you

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know, I didn't. know that this was a piece written

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by Schoenberg and it's a dodecaphonic and the

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other one is quartal and this uses the main or

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minor system and this one's Ionian mode and at

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those ages I didn't know that stuff. So I would

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pick, I just play records and pick out things

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by ear or like I said, my grandmother was in

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the background. So I think harmonically and melodically

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that those things you burnish it in, right? to

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the child because he's around that environment.

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So, I don't, so what's the difference? You're

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translating the, unfortunately and unfortunately,

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I have perfect pitch. Now, what is that? Perfect

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pitch is kind of a mutation of the cilia in your

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ears where you can hear more accurately. So,

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I know that's a G, all right? It's not an F.

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it's not an A, it's a G. Now that's a blessing

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and a curse, and here's why. Because now if somebody's

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telling me you have to play G and it's an F,

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well that will drive me crazy, right? Because

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it's a conflict. I'll tell you a story. I was

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examined in my college years by the great nuclear

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physicist, Nobel Prize -winning physicist Harold

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Reims, who discovered the neutrino. Why? Because

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He wanted to know the limits of human hearing.

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What are the sound ranges that human beings can,

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because a dog can hear a lot better than you

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and me, right? A dog can hear frequencies that

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our ears are not, the mechanism isn't equipped

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to hear. So they set up a little control lab,

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right, and tried to trick me, which is what they

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were supposed to do, right? And so, And I'm telling

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you this for a reason. So he said, okay, Jonathan,

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he got a musician in there and he says, okay,

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is this F -darp or F? And I go, it's neither.

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I go, it's in between it. In guitar, that would

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be in between the frets, which you can't do.

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But that was about the limit, quarter tones.

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was about the limit of what I could hear. And

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you don't need to hear any more than that, too.

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I mean, it's there's it's not purposeful. It

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won't help you in any way. So when you talk about

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playing by ear, I guess that probably had some

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influence when I was a child because I had that,

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you know, physical mutation. Do I think there's

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talent? About one percent. So what I mean by

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that when people say oh you are on these scholarship.

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You're so talented I go what does that mean?

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I go it just means a way for you know to get

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money or you know follow the money I Go I I go

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I have a little bit of talent. I guess that's

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true on the other hand I said 99 % work 99 %

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perspiration 1 % inspiration right as Edison

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says so uh I think that people yes they may have

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a proclivity towards something but mostly labor.

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Interesting now before when you were speaking

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you had said something about like you know you

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were your parent your mother and grandmother's

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influence on you because I've always questioned

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you know is it hereditary how is it that you

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have all the Osmond sing so beautiful or the

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Jackson five but now I'm like wondering is it

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Is it talent that is actually hereditary or is

00:23:03.069 --> 00:23:06.009
it the update that you're with your family and

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you're there all the time? And isn't that a question?

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And who knows? My mother didn't have any musical

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talent whatsoever, but my grandmother was a brilliant

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virtuoso. At 100, I threw a birthday party for

00:23:21.890 --> 00:23:24.349
her at 100. She died at 100, about six months

00:23:24.349 --> 00:23:27.349
later at that party. And my mother passed away

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at 97. She was at 100 with those crooked arthritic

00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.099
fingers playing arpeggios that were, you know,

00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:43.359
glorious. And so her talent, think about in the

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night in the 20s or the teens, 1920, 1930, 1910

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and in that era. And think about being in those

00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:54.339
theaters and the Orpheum Circuit and playing

00:23:54.339 --> 00:23:58.099
for Houdini and he's in the tank, right? And

00:23:58.099 --> 00:24:01.720
he's all. got his chains on, and of course, he's

00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:07.700
gonna die, right? He's gonna drown. You know,

00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:11.460
that. And so that was part of her. Do I think

00:24:11.460 --> 00:24:17.160
I got some genetic? 1%. Mostly it's work, and

00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:21.279
it's mostly keeping at something. I will say

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this, most people do not realize their childhood

00:24:25.019 --> 00:24:30.119
dream. I did. Most people will give up on that

00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.420
dream. They'll get married, have kids, something.

00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:35.059
They'll go off in their profession. Why? Because

00:24:35.059 --> 00:24:40.980
it makes money. And those things, there's a sacrifice

00:24:40.980 --> 00:24:44.420
there. You have to make a choice. And if you

00:24:44.420 --> 00:24:48.640
want to realize and become and live out that

00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.940
dream, there's going to be choices and sacrifices

00:24:51.940 --> 00:24:54.980
to be made. And a lot of people are not willing

00:24:54.980 --> 00:24:57.339
to do that, which is fine. That's fine for them.

00:24:57.619 --> 00:25:01.559
Each person has their own individual path. Each

00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:05.240
person is unique. Once they die, they'll never

00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:08.960
be anything like them again, ever. The combination

00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.700
of what they are. They'll never be another Chopin.

00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:16.119
They'll never be another Beethoven, Bach, whatever.

00:25:16.940 --> 00:25:19.700
And that's true with every single individual

00:25:19.700 --> 00:25:26.339
that's ever lived in history. You're like a motivational

00:25:26.339 --> 00:25:31.680
classical guitar. That's my new title. I love

00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:34.859
that. You're amazing. I gotta double check something.

00:25:34.940 --> 00:25:36.700
I want to make sure I heard this right. Sure.

00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.140
Grandmother lived to the ripe old age of 100.

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Correct. And your mom lived to 97? That's correct.

00:25:46.180 --> 00:25:48.940
Wow. And do you think that part of like your

00:25:48.940 --> 00:25:52.000
grandmother living so long is that she could

00:25:52.190 --> 00:25:54.490
Really loved what she was doing. She loved life.

00:25:54.849 --> 00:25:57.890
Well, yes. And I think she was a natural person.

00:25:58.809 --> 00:26:02.369
She did not have the fetters that many people

00:26:02.369 --> 00:26:07.789
adopt in society, the social roles. She could

00:26:07.789 --> 00:26:10.170
give you how when I say natural, I would see

00:26:10.170 --> 00:26:12.490
her in the backyard, standing out in the backyard,

00:26:12.769 --> 00:26:16.470
and birds would alight upon her shoulder. It's

00:26:16.470 --> 00:26:19.630
true. Now, it sounds like a bunch of BS, right?

00:26:19.789 --> 00:26:22.829
but it's absolutely true. Birds would alight

00:26:22.829 --> 00:26:25.390
upon her. That means they weren't threatened

00:26:25.390 --> 00:26:29.910
by her. That means she was safe and also attracted

00:26:29.910 --> 00:26:33.390
them in some manner. So she was a part of nature

00:26:33.390 --> 00:26:36.809
and a natural person. Remember, she went through

00:26:36.809 --> 00:26:41.809
the depression. She went through many, many trials

00:26:41.809 --> 00:26:44.390
and tributes. When Roosevelt took all the gold

00:26:44.390 --> 00:26:48.170
from the people, remember when he had the order

00:26:48.170 --> 00:26:50.890
to, you had to give your Oh because our gold

00:26:50.890 --> 00:26:53.650
supply was going and she did that and I go oh

00:26:53.650 --> 00:26:56.170
my god, that's theft, right? It's just theft

00:26:56.170 --> 00:27:01.329
and uh, so She went through a time period that

00:27:01.329 --> 00:27:04.250
was very different than this time period Very

00:27:04.250 --> 00:27:07.170
different very different influences. Wow. What

00:27:07.170 --> 00:27:08.930
was she born? What was the year she was born?

00:27:09.589 --> 00:27:13.170
1889 Oh my god. I don't remember roosevelt and

00:27:13.170 --> 00:27:14.849
the gold, you know, i'm gonna be going down that

00:27:14.849 --> 00:27:17.470
rabbit hole pretty soon They don't want you to

00:27:17.470 --> 00:27:19.349
they don't want you to remember those things

00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:23.500
uh the she was born and grew up in the midwest

00:27:23.500 --> 00:27:26.519
then she got married when she was 18 her husband

00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:31.420
had a tragic bobsledding accident and died and

00:27:31.420 --> 00:27:35.279
she was so heartbroken she left her area there

00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:40.059
went to the pacific northwest was a very um prominent

00:27:40.059 --> 00:27:44.000
she made wonderful money money for her time period

00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.579
and being a woman and being in that era i go

00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:53.640
oh my grandmother was uh a very successful human

00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:57.579
being. And she was a very private and closed

00:27:57.579 --> 00:28:00.079
mouth too. I always tell people I was raised

00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.559
by a Victorian and nobody knows what that is

00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:06.500
anymore, because that's what you are. And she,

00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.140
I'll give you an example of her unusual experiences

00:28:09.140 --> 00:28:15.990
as a child. She... lived, you know, the Dakota

00:28:15.990 --> 00:28:18.089
Indians, people call them the Sioux, they don't

00:28:18.089 --> 00:28:20.470
like that name. They're called the Dakota Indians.

00:28:20.890 --> 00:28:23.890
He had a girlfriend in the neighboring reservation

00:28:23.890 --> 00:28:27.829
from where she lived. And I think Sioux Falls,

00:28:28.829 --> 00:28:32.170
South Dakota, and then later went to Sioux City.

00:28:32.609 --> 00:28:37.349
And so she had this girlfriend. The tribe literally

00:28:37.349 --> 00:28:40.839
would sit outside her mud. home what's it called

00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:45.960
the that mud type home and she would play concerts

00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.039
at 16 for them and they gave her I buried her

00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:51.700
with this Dakota necklace because they had honored

00:28:51.700 --> 00:28:55.359
her with that and so she had that experience

00:28:55.359 --> 00:29:00.519
and she moved to Pacific Northwest became very

00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.559
um well -to -do at that time period lost all

00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.220
that later as people do it's an it's abnormal

00:29:07.220 --> 00:29:11.269
to retain your wealth. It's only a very small

00:29:11.269 --> 00:29:17.009
amount of people that retain that. And she, as

00:29:17.009 --> 00:29:20.349
I said, played with Harry Houdini and all these

00:29:20.349 --> 00:29:23.269
people that you know of that time period, right?

00:29:23.450 --> 00:29:24.970
So people said, well, how did she do that? And

00:29:24.970 --> 00:29:26.450
I go, well, she's playing the Orphan Circuit.

00:29:26.809 --> 00:29:29.130
And Houdini, they're renting the theater and

00:29:29.130 --> 00:29:31.289
they're putting on the show. Houdini moved down

00:29:31.289 --> 00:29:34.430
to LA for a year to do three films. He hated

00:29:34.430 --> 00:29:37.190
it because he couldn't make any money. They paid

00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:40.750
him peanuts. And so he said, Forget this and

00:29:40.750 --> 00:29:42.630
then went on with his you know, because he could

00:29:42.630 --> 00:29:47.910
fill those auditoriums Okay, I I could I feel

00:29:47.910 --> 00:29:49.430
like I could talk about your grandmother and

00:29:49.430 --> 00:29:50.750
want to know more about your mother But let's

00:29:50.750 --> 00:29:52.450
talk about Jonathan Taylor who's in front of

00:29:52.450 --> 00:29:55.250
us. So thank you for the stories. They're beautiful.

00:29:55.250 --> 00:29:59.309
I just If there's any information or and they

00:29:59.309 --> 00:30:02.309
have and they have the virtue of being true I

00:30:02.309 --> 00:30:04.430
just love it. I don't think you're saying anything

00:30:04.430 --> 00:30:06.990
that wouldn't be but I want to talk about Jonathan

00:30:06.990 --> 00:30:11.019
Taylor before we go So can you share with us,

00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:14.980
well share with us your highlight and your low

00:30:14.980 --> 00:30:17.200
light because you know like so what was like

00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.079
you in your mind like something that you just

00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.000
let the best concert or you know where you were

00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.000
what made it so great and then what was the challenge

00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.420
that you had any technical difficulties your

00:30:27.420 --> 00:30:29.819
fingers fall off during a concert like what happened

00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:32.619
that would make it the low light? Right well

00:30:32.619 --> 00:30:35.920
um I think one of the highlights was I played

00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:40.680
in the Palace of Culture in Targu Mures, Romania

00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:45.039
and it's a great auditorium and six encores at

00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:52.619
night and it was a Wonderful tour and Had it

00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:57.039
was playing perfectly won't say perfectly when

00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:01.519
that was That was hypocrisy right there. I was

00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:05.980
playing well and I'll say a load time in terms,

00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.880
it's not low, but I know what you're getting

00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.539
at. You're thinking of the Paragree and the Apigee,

00:31:12.779 --> 00:31:18.640
so the Alpha and the Omega. I was playing in

00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.799
the Amazon in Belém, which is the Portuguesa

00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:27.200
name for Bethlehem. On one of the cities there,

00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.700
it is on the mouth of the Amazonian River. The

00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:32.460
Amazonian River extends all the way up into Bolivia

00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:35.119
and of course there are towns that you know the

00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:39.519
history as far as we know is many cities and

00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:43.440
towns develop along rivers the same in Paris

00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:49.460
right in France, the Moldau in Europe and so

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I was there were there was an opera house they

00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.920
had made for Enrico Caruso the great tenor and

00:31:57.769 --> 00:32:00.710
I was playing a concert. There were a few tickets

00:32:00.710 --> 00:32:06.529
left to sell, and so the promoters, the next,

00:32:10.609 --> 00:32:13.789
had me go to this festival where 10 ,000 people

00:32:13.789 --> 00:32:17.230
were outside about noon, and there's a stage,

00:32:17.410 --> 00:32:19.750
and we're kind of like, Donald and Ted was gonna

00:32:19.750 --> 00:32:22.329
be in concert tonight, blah, blah, blah, last

00:32:22.329 --> 00:32:27.559
20 tickets, whatever. So all the big glitter

00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.380
audience there, the mayor of the city and all

00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:36.099
the people puffing with their feathers, their

00:32:36.099 --> 00:32:40.759
many feathers. And so they wanted me to have

00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.019
the national drink. They're welcoming me to the

00:32:43.019 --> 00:32:49.119
city, a key to the city idea. They there's every

00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:53.279
culture adobo is the national dish in the Philippines

00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.119
or Hungarian goulash and hungry, you know, whatever

00:32:56.119 --> 00:33:02.299
it is, you know And the borscht for the Russians

00:33:02.299 --> 00:33:07.180
so They're offering me this national dish and

00:33:07.180 --> 00:33:11.400
it's kind of like a soup like a goulash and my

00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:15.680
Reptile brain my amygdala my survival part of

00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:23.380
me said Don't eat that. Right? Because I knew,

00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:26.779
one part of me knew that every monkey has its

00:33:26.779 --> 00:33:32.759
tree and I'm out of my tree. And so I, of course,

00:33:32.900 --> 00:33:36.740
have the other side of my brain saying, that's

00:33:36.740 --> 00:33:41.160
like calling this guy's wife a prostitute, right?

00:33:41.259 --> 00:33:47.180
In other words, it's an insult, right? you know,

00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:52.700
your mother is. So that civilized side of me

00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:56.839
overrode my good sense, as it often does with

00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:03.519
people. And it overrode that. I took the sip

00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:10.219
and, you know, yes, welcome. And about, you know,

00:34:10.340 --> 00:34:12.400
11 o 'clock that evening, I didn't know who I

00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.260
was. I had cholera. I had contracted cholera.

00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.139
from that suit, which is a very deadly thing.

00:34:19.139 --> 00:34:22.340
You become dehydrated, you throw up and all those

00:34:22.340 --> 00:34:26.980
things. So that, I probably should have died.

00:34:27.900 --> 00:34:31.000
But I didn't spend like seven days on the, fortunately,

00:34:31.019 --> 00:34:32.780
it was the last concert of the tour. I don't

00:34:32.780 --> 00:34:36.079
know why, it just happened to be. And I spent

00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.440
like seven days on the floor of the hotel room,

00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:41.760
not hallucinating and not really knowing what

00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:46.619
you are. There comes a point in in life where

00:34:46.619 --> 00:34:50.940
those social roles and civilized functions that

00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:54.159
you have are meaningless compared to survival.

00:34:55.539 --> 00:34:58.260
I mean, you may use them to survive, but they're

00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:01.320
meaningless in terms of animal survival, right?

00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:03.880
You need to eat, right? You need to breathe.

00:35:04.539 --> 00:35:09.000
So that maybe was a low point. That is a really

00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.820
interesting story. Oh, my God. Anyone else get

00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:16.500
sick? Pardon me? Anyone else get sick like what

00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:18.639
happened to the other people that I know not

00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:22.719
that I know of Probably maybe they did and and

00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.639
I was too out of it to understand. That's a crazy

00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.480
story Oh, thank you for sharing that so Jonathan

00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:30.940
Taylor. What are you doing now? Like what so

00:35:30.940 --> 00:35:33.699
what is what what is an average day for Jonathan

00:35:33.699 --> 00:35:38.469
Taylor look like? Sure. I'm filming performance

00:35:38.469 --> 00:35:42.130
videos. If you go to my app, I have an app that's

00:35:42.130 --> 00:35:44.789
in Google Play, and it's also in the Apple Store,

00:35:44.889 --> 00:35:48.389
Google Play for Android users, Apple Store for

00:35:48.389 --> 00:35:50.829
iPhone users, and type just Jonathan Taylor,

00:35:51.110 --> 00:35:53.789
no break in the name. And it's free, by the way.

00:35:53.809 --> 00:35:57.550
It's totally free. And there's performance videos

00:35:57.550 --> 00:36:02.329
on it, audio files, of course. There's posts.

00:36:03.389 --> 00:36:08.119
There's videos of series I call Adventures in

00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:12.559
Touring and which many of the stories, you know,

00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:16.820
I have tons of stories. Yeah. This is an amazing.

00:36:17.059 --> 00:36:22.300
Wow. Wow. Are you out? Do people still book you

00:36:22.300 --> 00:36:25.420
for events? Sure. Are you doing concert halls?

00:36:25.860 --> 00:36:29.739
Sure. Yeah. You know, I'm just getting back into

00:36:29.739 --> 00:36:32.789
live performance because of COVID, right? And

00:36:32.789 --> 00:36:36.349
now people are doing that, but for a few years,

00:36:36.389 --> 00:36:39.769
of course, nobody was touring. And the Rolling

00:36:39.769 --> 00:36:44.250
Stones weren't touring, I say. I mean, the biggest

00:36:44.250 --> 00:36:47.730
pop acts in the world weren't touring. So yeah,

00:36:47.969 --> 00:36:50.750
but now I'm filming, right now I'm in Laguna

00:36:50.750 --> 00:36:53.070
filming performance videos. That's what I'm to

00:36:53.070 --> 00:36:55.389
answer your question. What does it mean though,

00:36:55.610 --> 00:36:57.610
filming performance? Oh, for your app, you mean?

00:36:58.170 --> 00:37:01.829
Yeah. Sitting in front of a microphone and a

00:37:01.829 --> 00:37:05.710
camera and playing. That's what it means. And

00:37:05.710 --> 00:37:14.190
so I'm doing that. I'm dealing with, there are

00:37:14.190 --> 00:37:18.150
different, I'm with Warner Brothers is just distributing

00:37:18.150 --> 00:37:21.730
and Hit Lab for the label for a few of my albums.

00:37:21.789 --> 00:37:26.480
But I also have like a 300. track catalog, which

00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:28.659
is the largest in the world for solo classical

00:37:28.659 --> 00:37:33.219
guitar, which I recorded over 30 years. And so

00:37:33.219 --> 00:37:37.739
that's what I'm doing. That is fantastic. And

00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:40.639
is where's your guitar? Is it right next to you?

00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.119
Yeah, it's in the other room. And do you like

00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:44.639
when people come over, they say, Hey, Jonathan,

00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.940
can you play a song for me? No, I usually say

00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:53.539
no. Do you say no? Well, you know, I'm always

00:37:53.539 --> 00:37:57.460
filming, so I'm playing, but I mean, I play like

00:37:57.460 --> 00:38:02.739
concerts, right? So, and I don't have that much,

00:38:02.900 --> 00:38:08.539
you know. So that's not a common thing with me.

00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:15.469
So you wouldn't ask Yasha Heifetz to play. Play

00:38:15.469 --> 00:38:17.349
this you come wait. Can you just play right now

00:38:17.349 --> 00:38:19.809
for me for a minute? I love I'm so glad we got

00:38:19.809 --> 00:38:23.110
your app looks amazing I can't wait to to get

00:38:23.110 --> 00:38:25.489
them down because I know you sent me all the

00:38:25.489 --> 00:38:28.230
links, but you know, no prep needed I and you

00:38:28.230 --> 00:38:30.710
look so good. They look great, too They're very

00:38:30.710 --> 00:38:33.909
professional looking Is that are those real are

00:38:33.909 --> 00:38:38.210
you have fake backdrops? Like everything is real.

00:38:38.210 --> 00:38:41.489
I've never used to face fake backdrop. I probably

00:38:41.489 --> 00:38:45.780
wouldn't know how to do that Your app, the whole

00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:49.579
app content is so cool. All right, so everyone

00:38:49.579 --> 00:38:53.059
go Google Jonathan Taylor official app, very

00:38:53.059 --> 00:38:55.840
easy to find. Took me literally a second while

00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:59.639
Jonathan was telling me. Go find his website.

00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.619
I'll have all the links that Jonathan did give

00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:05.059
me before in the show notes a little later. This

00:39:05.059 --> 00:39:08.199
is going live right now. but it will be also

00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:11.840
edited and going on Spotify and the other syndicated

00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.980
platforms, just all of them. And Jonathan, any

00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:16.440
question that I should have asked you that I

00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:20.320
didn't ask you? No. We're having a conversation.

00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:26.760
No? You're a great guy. I am so glad and grateful.

00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.659
And if you have a podcast, ask Jonathan to be

00:39:29.659 --> 00:39:31.239
on your guest, because you know what? You probably

00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:35.820
have different questions that I'm asking. You

00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:37.920
can talk for hours, because I'm finding it fascinating.

00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.480
So Jonathan, thank you so much today. Thank you,

00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:43.400
Adrienne. You really are. You're very smart.

00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:45.500
I can tell how intelligent you are. Oh, I have

00:39:45.500 --> 00:39:50.260
another question. So what side of the brain,

00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.699
or is there a side of the brain when it comes

00:39:52.699 --> 00:39:57.400
to music and talent? Well, they think that the

00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:00.960
right hemisphere, of course, the corpus callosum

00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:04.449
connects both sides. Autistic, there's that one

00:40:04.449 --> 00:40:06.809
guy that just passed away, not just passed away

00:40:06.809 --> 00:40:09.989
six, seven years ago, the guy that Dustin Hoffman

00:40:09.989 --> 00:40:13.309
modeled Rain Man on. I go, well, he was born

00:40:13.309 --> 00:40:16.030
without a corpus callosum, and his brain found

00:40:16.030 --> 00:40:20.489
a way to make connections. And he can remember.

00:40:21.130 --> 00:40:24.070
There's nothing that he can't recall. It's like

00:40:24.070 --> 00:40:26.969
since he was three years old, he can recall at

00:40:26.969 --> 00:40:31.269
12, 25 in New York City at this location. This

00:40:31.269 --> 00:40:35.000
happened. the right hemisphere. And it is known

00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:38.940
that exposing children when they're very young

00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:42.940
to music, develop the part of their brain that

00:40:42.940 --> 00:40:45.320
really is the higher abstractions. And that's

00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.639
what you want. I mean, if you learn something

00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.300
by rote, that's great. You need to maybe do that,

00:40:51.300 --> 00:40:53.679
right? Learn notes or something in sequence.

00:40:54.059 --> 00:40:56.860
But what you're trying to do is to learn how

00:40:56.860 --> 00:41:03.989
to think, not what to think. That's got to breathe

00:41:03.989 --> 00:41:10.590
to that. Wow. You have a lot of singers who Okay,

00:41:10.590 --> 00:41:13.230
okay, you know that's gonna go in the quote notes.

00:41:13.369 --> 00:41:15.789
All right. Thank you So I just blown away by

00:41:15.789 --> 00:41:17.809
you. I have to process a lot of what you're saying

00:41:17.809 --> 00:41:21.849
cuz it's so good You're a juicy Jonathan Taylor.

00:41:21.869 --> 00:41:24.150
What a great guest. Thank you so much for today.

00:41:24.150 --> 00:41:27.010
Thank you for taking the time I appreciate it.

00:41:27.010 --> 00:41:31.639
All right. Thank you Bye, Jonathan. I don't want

00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:33.440
to say goodbye. Don't make me say goodbye. No!