Oct. 7, 2025

The Truth About SEO: Why You’re Invisible Online with Brandon Leibowitz

The Truth About SEO: Why You’re Invisible Online with Brandon Leibowitz
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Are you Googling your way to invisibility? In this no-fluff, wildly informative episode, Adrienne Barker sits down with SEO expert Brandon Leibowitz, founder of SEO Optimizers, to decode the mysterious world of search engine optimization. If you've ever thrown up a website and crossed your fingers, this one's for you.

Brandon brings clarity, humor, and straight talk to a topic most of us fake our way through. Whether you're a business owner, blogger, podcaster, or just someone trying to get found online—this episode will give you a reality check (and a rescue plan).

➡️ Key Takeaways

What SEO really is (and why it's not just keywords)

How to find out where your audience is actually searching

The truth about blogging, backlinks, and Google's trust

Why your old website might be your secret SEO weapon

How to ethically hijack your competitor’s SEO traffic

What gets you penalized by Google—yes, even JCPenney did it

🎁 Bonus: Brandon shares how you can get a free SEO strategy session and website audit 👉 Visit: SEOOptimizers.com

💬 Adrienne’s Favorite Quote from Brandon: “Google is watching all our moves. Just don’t try to trick them—they’ve been around longer than your website has.”

🎧 Listen now to find out if your site’s really doing its job—or just sitting there looking pretty.

🔗 CTA: Like what you heard? Be bold. Be brilliant. Be found.

💡 Subscribe, share, and visit AdrienneBarker.com for more episodes and visibility strategy!

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All right. We are live. Okay. All right. So hi,

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everyone. I know how to say Brandon's last name,

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Brandon Lebowitz. Welcome. A couple things, Brandon,

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because I don't know who you are. I did just

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copy from your website the information and you're

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about, but like, I have no clue who you are.

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All I could know is that you're bold, you're

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brave to come on here. You have no clue who I

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am. Good luck with that, Brandon. And I wish

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you a lot of luck. And you're not bald. But your

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name is a B. So you're brave, bold, and Brandon.

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So Brandon, introduce yourself. And what do you

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do? My name is Brandon Lebowitz. And thanks for

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having me on your show. I help people get more

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traffic online to their websites, making sure

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that you pop up on Google. So whatever you search

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on Google, I could make that rank at the top

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without spending money on ads. So getting you

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free traffic to your website or whatever it is

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that you're trying to promote online. I love

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it. All right. So bear with me. I'm just going

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in and just getting my LinkedIn because I realize

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that I did and that hold on. I got to do the

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LinkedIn off of it. So crazy. Yes, it's me, LinkedIn.

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They're so nervous. Nervous Nellie. All right.

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Let me see if I get this now. Hold on so I can

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go live on LinkedIn. All right. So funny enough,

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I have been doing rooms. I don't know if you're

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familiar with chat or social or clubhouse. Yeah,

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I've heard of them. Okay, good. So, so I do,

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I do, um, for clubhouse, I have a room every

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Thursday morning, 730, 830, uh, breakfast with

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champions. And then Tuesday mornings, I do the

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social, um, in the morning chatter or chatter

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social. But I will tell you, I've been doing

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these rooms on blogging and I am the average

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Joe. So I have no clue what I'm doing. No clue

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if my SEO is working. No clue if I just say,

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chat, GPT, SEO this like it. if it's doing it

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correctly. And so many people know SEO and understand

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it, but it is like a foreign language. So when

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you're explaining all of this, make believe I'm

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a kindergartener. I try to keep it simple. Yeah,

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keep it simple for me, Adrian. So, okay. So first

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of all, how long have you been in business? Since

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2007, got started kind of early and just fell

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into it. after I graduated from college and wasn't

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planning on it but got one of my first jobs after

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school was helping a company with their SEO and

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I realized everyone's probably gonna have a website

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back in 2007 and SEO is just free traffic and

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who doesn't want free traffic? So I just kept

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with it over the years. I really thought when

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I did this, I thought when you said SEO optimizers,

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I'm like, oh, that's going to be down a long

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list. I thought I would just Google SEO optimizers.

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Brandon comes up third time up, which is amazing.

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So you came up with the name SEO optimizers.

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And then look how far you are now with just having

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a website that actually you could find just by

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putting SEO and optimizers. I don't know. I think

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that's amazing. Those are brand keywords. So

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anytime you search for your brand name, you should

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always rank Those are always people that know

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you which is good But what SEO we want to get

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you for keywords that don't have your brand name

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people that don't know who you are So anyone

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searching for SEO optimizers, they already know

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who I am It's not gonna get me new business versus

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somebody searching for SEO company SEO services

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SEO in Los Angeles those are the keywords that

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are going to get me new visibility. And with

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SEO, well, I'll rank you for your brand name,

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but that one, you should by default rank for

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that. And then we want to get you up for those

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nine brand keywords to start getting new clients,

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new business, new eyeballs on your content and

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on you. So I thought, so I thought, I think if

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I looked it up, I would probably go SEO optimize.

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So would you show up with that? If it was another

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form of optimizers, it was just optimize. Yep

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for most of them unless there's another company

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with that name Then they would show up and I'd

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maybe be number two or three because if you're

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searching for target You don't want to see Walmart

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ranking. You're like, I'm looking for target

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not Walmart. So I don't want to see another variation

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I want to see exactly what I'm looking for So

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when you when you started SEO optimizers like

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what were people you're knocking on doors and

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you know literally or whatever you were doing

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and you're like this is what I do to people back

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in 2007 even understand optimization like what

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did they get from at that point? No most people

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didn't understand so I was working full time

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and I would just pick up a freelance client here

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or there and I was happy to do that when I first

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graduated and then eventually get building it

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up and building it up and later on as I'm gonna

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quit my job so didn't just jump ship right away

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from that company because Most people had no

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idea about what SEO was it still to this day

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a lot of people still don't really understand

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or know what SEO is it Gets a little tricky Google

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doesn't want to make it easy because they don't

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want you to do SEO. They want you to spend money

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on ads And Google's changing things, too, right?

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So it's the SEO. It's a meta description. It's

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the GPTs now or the chat. Do you have your content

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be SEO for the internet or SEO for chat GPT?

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What do you do with that? Now I'm going to be

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just skipping all over because my brain is firing

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all the questions. You just want to be where

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your audience is. So wherever your audience is,

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that's where you got to optimize. If they're

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on Yelp. We all work on that. If they're on Amazon,

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we all work on that. If they're on YouTube, focus

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on that. If they're on Google, wherever they're

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at, that's where you want to focus on. But you

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don't need to be everywhere. You just need to

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be where your audience is. That's the most important

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part. OK, so help me with this one. So I, myself,

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and Joseph, we are the co -hosts of Debate the

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News True Crime podcast. That'll be coming out.

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And we already have like 30 episodes in the can.

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So if we were going to to optimize it would,

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like when you say be where the audience is, my

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mind is like, oh, let me go in and see all the

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care and read groups that are out there or, you

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know, all the different, you know, to be diddy

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groups that are out there and then go into those

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groups and put my information in. But you're

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talking about something completely different.

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I mean, where people are researching for you.

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So people are searching on Facebook. Great. But.

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If they're gonna be searching on Google for that,

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then we wanna be on Google. If they're gonna

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be searching on... How do you know? How do you

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find out where people are searching? You could

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use tools like the Google Keyword Planner to

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see how many people search for your keyword each

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month. Wait, what does that look like? Can we

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try it right now? You have to sign up and create

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an account. Oh, you have to sign up, create an

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account. And then what is that called again?

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It's the Google Keyword Planner. Okay, the Google

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Keyword Planner is one. Okay, very cool. That's

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a free tool. Then what do you do once you have

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it? Then you can put your keywords and it will

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show you how many people search for it. So I

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do SEO. I could put it in their search engine

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optimization or SEO company and I could see how

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many people search for that. And I can figure

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out, is this a good keyword? Like one of my clients,

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they're a lawyer, so they want to rank for personal

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injury lawyer, which is a good keyword. It gets

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20 ,000 searches each month. Personal injury

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lawyers, plural, gets 200 ,000 searches each

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month. So by changing that one letter, you can

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get 10 times more traffic. And you wouldn't know

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unless you use a Google Cure Planner. I mean,

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you could guess and you might get it right, but

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you might get it wrong. So I could go to a dentist

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and have them. clean my teeth and pull a tooth

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that made my wisdom tooth or I can just kind

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of go on and figure out how to get rid of my

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wisdom tooth if I wanted to myself. So I'd rather

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go to the dentist. So go to the expert is what

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you're saying. Yep. Go to the expert and get

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the value. I think that makes sense. Let's look

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at your website because I want to take a look

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at it. First of all, love the photo. Can you

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see it? Let's see. Make sure. Yes. Yes. Yes.

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Okay. Love the photo. So get more sales. So really

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does work getting more sales and leads. I'm sorry.

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What was that? It really does work getting more

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sales and leads just by using SEO. Usually it

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results in SEO gets you more traffic. So I will

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make sure that you rank on Google for your target

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keywords, and that's going to get you more targeted

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traffic. And then from there, We have to work

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on the website to make sure the website is optimized

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to get those conversions because getting traffic

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is really just step one. Once you get traffic,

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how do you get them to convert? And that's the

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tough part is getting somebody to call you or

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email you or fill out your form or buy from you.

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So I try to help holistically with everything

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because SEO just gets you traffic, but you don't

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want traffic. You want those sales and leads

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and conversions. So that's why. I'm going for

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that versus just back in 2007. I was like, I'll

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just get you traffic. But I realized over the

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years, traffic doesn't really mean much. It's

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funny because I remember so clearly my parents,

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they were both in a nursing home. My mom had

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fallen and my dad got himself in. But they were

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still running their business and this guy had

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come in and he was talking about spiders and

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all the people talking about animation artwork

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and the spiders. And he could send it out and

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he could get those spiders and then he could

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target them so that we can then go and get the

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sale from them because if they're searching for

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animation artwork, they want to know where the

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galleries are. And I remember thinking, this

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guy. is full of baloney. Oh, yeah, there's spiders

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in the end. Like, it was crazy. And now I look

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back and I'm like, ooh, I was the one that was

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filled in baloney. Hey, Ken, sorry about that.

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You could have had a big sale from my dad, but

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probably not the best to try to sell to him while

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he's in the hospital. But that's just me, right?

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Like, I just don't think you should sell to someone

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while they're in the hospital. But not a bad

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idea back in the day. So now we need it. We need

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people to optimize. All right, so you offer classes.

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And where are you doing the classes? I do them

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only daily. I do them online. So we used to do

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them in person, but they're done online and they

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could go to my website SEO optimizers .com forward

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slash classes and see the classes and see my

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schedule of in person sometimes, but most of

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them are just online. But if you're in Los As

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in person every once in a awesome here. Let me

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just p you can see on the scre this. So okay,

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so easy t is pacific time one to f Oh, no, it's

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only 40 minutes. My mind just went on me. 1 PM,

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so that is 1, 2, 3, 4 PM to 4 .40 PM on the East

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Coast. You could register for free. And tell

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them what they'll learn from attending your free

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SEO training. They'll learn how to get more traffic

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to the website, break it down, and show them

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what needs to be done step by step to do SEO,

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to get that traffic, to get Google to trust you,

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how to do keyword research, how to use those

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tools. how to rank you on the maps, and other

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things like that. I love this. How to ethically

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hijack your competitors' Google SEO traffic.

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I want to learn that. Ethically hijack? Brandon,

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tell us more. We can look at the way SEO works

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is I can see what you're doing, and you can see

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what I'm doing. So we have to look at your competition

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with SEO and see. What are they doing? What keywords

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are they using? Where are they getting backlinks?

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How are they ranking? And we can look at their

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strategy and replicate that for your website

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and incorporate what's working into your website.

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That way you could get Google to trust you and

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start ranking you for the keywords that your

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competition is ranking for. So you're doing my

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strategy. You're teaching everything, but you're

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really for those that just don't know how to

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do it and they need help doing it. Mainly focused

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on the SEO side of. how to do everything pretty

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much, whether you're e -commerce, a local business,

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you want to learn Google Analytics, Google Search

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Console, Google Business Profile, how to rank

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higher on Yelp, all those and more. I love that.

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How to rape your website at Google and stop spending

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money on ads. I heard that Google doesn't like

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you saying that they want the money on ads. Are

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you disrupting Google's plans? Everyone wants

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some money, unfortunately. Who doesn't want money?

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If you're taking money away from a company, they're

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not gonna be happy. I like your pictures though

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and your videos. Okay, July 17th at 12 p .m.

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You're gonna be at the Kin 150 Horizon Avenue.

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Where is that? Where's that located? in Los Angeles.

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Oh, in L is that? Look at this aug booked and

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branded how to a great one. How to get I love

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that. I'm going to your website sales and lea

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Wow, this is really awesome. You've got all your,

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you really should come on Chatter Social and

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be part of the group because I will tell you

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it's a great platform and you can be teaching.

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also on stage. And there are thousands of people

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are coming because it's integrated with Blue

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Sky right now. So it's really cool. Or on Clubhouse,

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which is still a wonderful program to be on.

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I love it. All right. So what are the top three

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challenges that you help to like, when you talk

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to people and they're like, here's my challenge.

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How does SEO help them? Can you like name three

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challenges that I may not think of to ask you

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where SEO can help a business besides sales?

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No, no saying sales. Oh, it helps for awareness,

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getting your name out there, getting your company

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out there. So if you're a new company and nobody's

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finding you on line, then SEO will help get you

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more discoverability, more visibility. One of

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my clients, they're brand new startup and they

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had a new invention or they made lights. Well,

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it's not new, but shows if the bathroom is occupied

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or not occupied and don't have any competition.

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So for it, it's a light that does it. very unique,

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but nobody searches for it. So we have to build

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that awareness and put that CEO, we've been working

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on their branding and just trying to drive that

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awareness and visibility. So people start searching

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and we're basically just using other keywords

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that are related to what they do, but not exactly

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what they do to start getting people aware of

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their product. Okay. Okay. Okay. I could go to

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the bathroom and turn on the light. So I think

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I could do SEO. I love that analogy. I needed

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that because I'm six. Okay. Now what about blogging?

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So I've been doing these workshops on blogging.

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I don't know anything about blogging. And I tell

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them, I don't know anything about blogging. So

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does SEO matter? Does the meta description matter?

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Does the slur matter? What, or the slug, I mean

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matter. Like does any of that matter? All those

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things matter. you have to work on keyword research

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and then figure out where to put those keywords

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on the website and your code and the title, tag,

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the meta description, headers, the URL, the schema,

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site map, interlinking those pages together.

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You should blog on your website to add more content

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and all that helps just with Google to better

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read and understand and know what that page is

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about to then rank you for that. keyword that

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you targeted on that page because each page only

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really targets a set of keywords. And you make

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that page hyper relevant to that set of keywords

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any way possible in all the different coding

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areas that Google lets you put in there. But

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one place that doesn't require coding is just

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add more text to your website. Each page just

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adding more text is very helpful. So how can

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I double check? Like, so I'll do the blog. I

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have like over 150 articles written and they're,

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they're not sure. So I have 150 articles. I'm

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like, Ooh, that's really like making me look

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cool. And, but then how do I know if people actually

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are seeing it? Do I go in and like take my title

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and type it in and see if that's, if it popped

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up, how do I know it pops up? And the analytics,

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maybe I don't have the best, I'm not paying cause

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I'm on WordPress. Oh, wait, let's go back. WordPress

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or GoDaddy for blogs and SEO? I would always

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use WordPress because it's free. You have to

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pay for GoDaddy. And it limits a lot of stuff.

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And what's better for SEO? What's that better

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for SEO? For SEO, WordPress is the best. OK,

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good. So I'm on WordPress. Oh, good, good, good.

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All right, and then Does it matter? Is it a longer

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meta -description or a shorter meta -description?

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You only get 160 characters. Oh, I'm using all

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of them then. You want to squeeze it in as much

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as possible without going over. But shorter would

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not be good if you only use five characters because

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you're just missing out on more space to put

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more keywords. Yeah, that is crazy. Because I'm

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like, is Google now still a search engine, or

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is Google an ask engine? Google is evolving all

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the time to whatever makes them money. So whatever

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is going to make Google money, that's what they're

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going to do. If that means AI, that means it's

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whatever they're doing with the AI, or however

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they're going to shift over. But if you can still

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be searching for websites or AI, we'll see. But

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that could be a full -time job what you're doing

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because I know my son when he went to sell his

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website SEO can change so it's it's constant

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right it's constant like oiling the machine?

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Do you wake up and double -check your clients?

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Is their SEO still strong? Are they placing where

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they are? Does someone else place above them?

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Do you need to go in and get the soldiers out

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there to put the SEO above another SEO? What

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is a day in the life of you looks like? Not selling,

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but just maintaining and keeping your clients

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happy with their SEO. Do you have to touch it

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daily? What does that look like? SEO changes

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on a daily. minute, second basis, millisecond.

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It's always changing. Google's always changing

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their algorithm. And you just have to stay up

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to date with all the latest changes, but make

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sure that you're sending the right signals to

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Google, which means you're constantly sending

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backlinks, working on your content, changing

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the website, and just trying to make it easy

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for Google to read, understand, and trust you.

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But it varies depending on the business. Every

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website is a little different, but. you gotta

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make sure you're maintaining them. Otherwise,

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you're gonna start dropping down and your competition's

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gonna overtake you because they're gonna look

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at your keywords, your backlinks, and do everything

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that I'm teaching you in those classes. Okay,

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so have you ever had a client call you and be

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like, what's going on? I'm on the third page

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and I've always been on the first page. Get to

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it, Brandon. No, the rankings change all the

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time. So you might search and when you're searching,

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you might see that You're ranked number one,

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but when I search you might be ranked number

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ten because Google personalizes it depending

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on your geolocation and that happens all the

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time when my clients are a staffing agency in

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Los Angeles and they rank number one for healthcare

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staffing in Los Angeles, but they just got sold

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and The new owner lives in Miami and they searched

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and they were on page three on my in Miami So

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now we realize we got to work on that because

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now they're trying to be national but before

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that they were just happy to be in California,

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number one. Okay, so I have another question

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for you now. So, okay, so how does this work

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when, is there like a website I can look at that

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tells me where I'm ranking? How do I know where

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I'm ranking? Or do I just Google my name, my

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business name and count how many pages? Yeah,

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you either use a tool or you search manually.

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What's a tool? Give me a tool. Similar web, I

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tried, but you don't get much from them. Yeah,

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I like Google Analytics and Google Search Console

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are great free tools that will show you a wealth

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of information. Okay, Google Analytics and Google,

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what was it called? Search Console. Oh, Google.

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Oh wait, I've got to put this in because I won't

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remember. Interesting. So you got to sign up

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for these and see where they go. Okay, so we

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want our insights and then we want to have you

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because you're going to be able to... get us

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the leads. And so is this what people say when

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they're like, I could get you leads and get you

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more business because they're just optimizing

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my SEO? I'm not sure. I'd have to hear what they're

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saying. There's a lot of people say, I'll get

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you leads from, and then they'll tell you LinkedIn

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through SEO, social media, email marketing is

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I get spam all the time from people like, Hey,

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I'll get you more leads from LinkedIn. Give us

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your account. And we're going to message all

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these people. So You got to see what they're

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doing and make sure it's ethical because you

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don't want to get yourself in trouble. All right.

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And I see when I went on to Google, it picked

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up one of my websites, but not all of them. So

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I have to add my property. Very interesting.

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I love tools to know. All right. Let me go see

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it. Make sure that I'm not missing anything.

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Oh, you have a free website SEO analysis. Oh,

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good thing I'm looking on your web. Wait, what

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is this? So schedule. Oh, we can meet with you

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and then you'll analyze it for us. Yeah, I do

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a SEO strategy session. So if you want to go

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over your website and how to get you more traffic,

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they could book some time on my calendar for

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free on my website. I love that. I love your

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success stories. Go in and read seooptimizers

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.com. It'll pick up. I love your I like this.

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I like that you have all of this. Your clients

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all look happy. The SO, man, 54. So you can,

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okay, so we're talking about blogging today.

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Are people really making money on blogs? And

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what do you need? Can you give us a little lesson

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on how to make money on blogs and what you need

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and how important SEO probably would be to make

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money on blogs? Yeah, you could definitely make

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money by putting out the right blogs. Clients,

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they sell music festival clothing. So they wrote

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a blog about new product line that they were

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releasing and by posting that up, that started

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to rank on Google. That got them traffic for

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people searching for those new products and they

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were able to pre -sell all their products before

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even launching. So there's lots of ways to get

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creative with blogging about promoting your products

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or your services. But more subtle is better.

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You don't want to just say, check out my clothing

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line. You've got to give them useful information,

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give them helpful content, and then subtly promote

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yourself. And that works the best. So add value.

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I always say add value, add value, add value.

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Then once in a while, if you're adding a lot

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of value, you can put in your blog that sounds

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like an ad, but also make it valuable, correct?

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Try not to make it sound like an ad. Try to make

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it just sound organic. If you just went to someone's

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website and they're just promoting themselves,

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You're gonna be like, I don't care. But if they're

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giving you information that's useful, then you're

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like, okay, this is helpful to me. Don't do that

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subtly, very, very, very subtly. Try not to really

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promote yourself, but subtly just offer value.

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And in that value, subtly promote yourself by

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letting them know, hey, I offered you these really

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great tips and fashion tips and techniques. By

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the way, here's a product line that fits exactly

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this style. I think that's really cool. All right,

00:24:55.539 --> 00:25:02.559
so one last question. So the question is, what

00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:06.220
will get you in trouble with Google? Do you mind

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sharing some of the things that will penalize

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you, like whatever Google does, slap your hand,

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yell at you? I'm not even sure what they do.

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But what are some of the things that you could

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do that will get in trouble? There are lots of

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things that you could do to get you in trouble.

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So be careful. Over half of the websites are

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kicked off of Google for doing weird or sketchy

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things. So you just have to be really careful.

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And just try not to do anything that seems a

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little too good to be true. So a lot of people

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will put content on the bottom of their website.

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Or like, Google loves content. And you have to

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add text to your website. The more text, the

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better. People would be hiding text or putting

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text at the very bottom of the website and font

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size 0 .001 and using white background with white

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font and Google is happy to penalize you for

00:26:00.660 --> 00:26:02.160
stuff like that. So you gotta be really careful.

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Like even JCPenney, a big corporation back in

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I think 2010 or 11, they got in trouble for doing

00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.779
some stuff that wasn't the best practices by

00:26:11.779 --> 00:26:14.410
Google. They were buying backlinks and Google

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penalized them and they pretty much just disappeared.

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Google doesn't care who you are. If you're a

00:26:19.650 --> 00:26:22.690
small mom and pop shop or fortune 100 company,

00:26:23.109 --> 00:26:25.650
if you're doing things that are sketchy or shady

00:26:25.650 --> 00:26:29.250
or unethical or it's called black hat SEO to

00:26:29.250 --> 00:26:31.990
Google, then instead of ranking you higher, they're

00:26:31.990 --> 00:26:34.309
going to drop you down. But if you just do things

00:26:34.309 --> 00:26:37.150
normally and you're not hiding stuff or thinking

00:26:37.150 --> 00:26:39.569
like my trick in Google, then you don't really

00:26:39.569 --> 00:26:41.380
have to worry about that stuff. But if you are

00:26:41.380 --> 00:26:44.660
trying to slide around or sneak around, then

00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:48.160
be careful, because Google is happy to penalize,

00:26:48.460 --> 00:26:49.960
because then you're going to spend money on paid

00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:51.599
ads, because you're not going to be getting that

00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:58.920
free traffic anymore. Google's watching all of

00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:03.109
our moves. OK, so what is I have two websites,

00:27:03.329 --> 00:27:05.710
adrianbarker .com and professionalglobaledicate

00:27:05.710 --> 00:27:08.230
.com. I do not do this because I think I'm smart

00:27:08.230 --> 00:27:10.329
enough to know that I shouldn't do it. But what

00:27:10.329 --> 00:27:14.390
would happen if I published the same blog article

00:27:14.390 --> 00:27:18.390
on both of my sites? Whoever publishes it first

00:27:18.390 --> 00:27:21.130
gets all the credit. So Google doesn't want duplicate

00:27:21.130 --> 00:27:23.950
content. So whoever publishes it first, they'll

00:27:23.950 --> 00:27:27.089
rank. Everyone else is not going to be able to

00:27:27.089 --> 00:27:28.789
rank for it. Because there's lots of websites

00:27:28.789 --> 00:27:32.440
that syndicate content. republish other people's

00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:35.099
content and Google knows that and They don't

00:27:35.099 --> 00:27:37.359
want you just searching on Google and then the

00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.180
first page all ten websites are the same exact

00:27:40.180 --> 00:27:43.500
article Not a good user experience now. I'm gonna

00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:45.680
help you out. So Google doesn't want the same

00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.819
content repurpose Good, because I'm not doing

00:27:48.819 --> 00:27:51.140
that anyways. I really am not. I'm careful with

00:27:51.140 --> 00:27:53.920
that. But I did hear that it's OK for me to publish

00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:56.480
it and then publish it on LinkedIn, because Google

00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.579
doesn't care what LinkedIn newsletter and LinkedIn

00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:01.359
newsletter doesn't care what's on Google. Am

00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:04.500
I correct? Well, yeah, you don't. I'll publish

00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:06.200
it on your website, because you're going to get

00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.200
all the credit. And then give it to everyone

00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.319
else. Who cares? OK. Because who cares if LinkedIn

00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:13.519
gets the credit or not? Because that's not your

00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:16.099
website. You wanted to get all the credits. I'd

00:28:16.099 --> 00:28:19.119
post it on your website. and then syndicate it

00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.000
out anywhere that you want to on Medium or other

00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:24.640
places like that. But it's not really going to

00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:26.420
help those websites because it's all duplicate

00:28:26.420 --> 00:28:30.400
content, but it's not bad. But Google is blocked

00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:32.359
from most social media as well because they're

00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:35.039
all somewhat competitors. So Google can't really

00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:37.059
read social media. So that's why it doesn't matter

00:28:37.059 --> 00:28:40.160
if you post it on social. Interesting. Are you

00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:43.119
going to be doing a class on blogging in SEO?

00:28:44.220 --> 00:28:47.140
I have discussed it in my classes. Yeah, because

00:28:47.140 --> 00:28:49.180
I would be interested in that and promoting it.

00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.559
Okay now another question backlink So at one

00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.059
point I think someone had said oh we have a animation

00:28:56.059 --> 00:28:59.039
art gallery and we have a museum a toy museum

00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.240
my parents left and 80 ,000 toys in Connecticut,

00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.680
but there were backlinks and I'm like Why are

00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:08.259
there but I put a backlink on your website and

00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:10.700
you may not know it So can you explain about

00:29:10.700 --> 00:29:13.740
that and and why it's important or not because

00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:16.200
I have no clue what I'm talking about Backlinks

00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:18.500
are clickable links from another website that

00:29:18.500 --> 00:29:20.619
points to yours. So let's say you're reading

00:29:20.619 --> 00:29:25.940
an article on the newyorktimes .com. In there

00:29:25.940 --> 00:29:29.240
it says Brandon Liebowitz and you click on that

00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.700
and it goes to my website. I'd be getting a backlink

00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:36.920
from newyorktimes .com. So the more websites

00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:39.319
that have clickable links that point to your

00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.799
website, the more popular Google thinks you are.

00:29:43.150 --> 00:29:45.269
and the more trust Google's going to give to

00:29:45.269 --> 00:29:48.009
you. And then they look at those keywords on

00:29:48.009 --> 00:29:50.289
your website to figure out what keywords to rank

00:29:50.289 --> 00:29:53.009
you for. But it doesn't work the other way around.

00:29:53.450 --> 00:29:56.470
If you don't build backlinks, Google's not going

00:29:56.470 --> 00:29:58.710
to trust you, and they don't want to rank a website

00:29:58.710 --> 00:30:01.369
that they don't trust. How do you know that someone

00:30:01.369 --> 00:30:03.569
hasn't put a link on that's not a good link or

00:30:03.569 --> 00:30:06.410
that's a bad link? Is there anything nefarious

00:30:06.410 --> 00:30:09.230
that could be going on when someone uses a backlink

00:30:09.230 --> 00:30:12.740
and hasn't asked you for approval? Now you want

00:30:12.740 --> 00:30:15.000
to be on site setter and niche related to you

00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.460
the more related the better so if you're getting

00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:22.460
a dog food company linking out to Your auto body

00:30:22.460 --> 00:30:25.740
shop looks a little weird, but if you have another

00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:27.900
auto body shop looking out to your auto body

00:30:27.900 --> 00:30:31.940
shop That's great. So relevancy is really important

00:30:31.940 --> 00:30:34.940
Interesting. So, okay, so that's a little collaboration

00:30:34.940 --> 00:30:38.579
right there. So so how do you know? Where do

00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:41.579
you find out where your backlinks are? you have

00:30:41.579 --> 00:30:45.299
to pay for tools like Ahrefs or Moz or Sumrush

00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:48.720
to check backlinks. There's no free tools, unfortunately.

00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.420
And when I have a guest writer, so I just had

00:30:52.420 --> 00:30:54.839
a guest writer and I published her article last

00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.319
night, should I be concerned? Is there anything

00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.599
going on with guest writers or can they do anything

00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.240
nefarious with the backlinks? What should I do

00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.920
to keep aware? Anybody could link to anybody.

00:31:06.940 --> 00:31:10.430
You can't control that, so. You just have to

00:31:10.430 --> 00:31:12.829
keep building new good quality backlinks to offset

00:31:12.829 --> 00:31:15.150
any weird ones because every website is going

00:31:15.150 --> 00:31:17.950
to have some weird ones. Can't control it. And

00:31:17.950 --> 00:31:22.289
what about the years of like how many years your

00:31:22.289 --> 00:31:25.490
website, your URL has been around? Does that

00:31:25.490 --> 00:31:28.930
amount to anything? Yeah, the older, the more

00:31:28.930 --> 00:31:31.230
trust Google is going to give to you. What's

00:31:31.230 --> 00:31:35.289
older? Older like 63 years or older like 10 years?

00:31:35.710 --> 00:31:37.869
No, like the older the website, the older the

00:31:37.869 --> 00:31:42.180
URL. So what if it's like 2017 or like 10 years

00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:47.839
old? Where is that in ranking of older websites?

00:31:48.500 --> 00:31:50.680
Oh, no, just meaning anything older. If I have

00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:52.259
a five -year -old website and you have a seven

00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:53.519
-year -old one, you're probably going to have

00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.720
a little bit more trust in me. Oh, so they'll

00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:59.420
show a website that maybe has a little bit more

00:31:59.420 --> 00:32:03.799
older authority. So everything has to match up,

00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.299
the authority, the web, all of that in order

00:32:07.299 --> 00:32:11.799
to kind of be put up? No, no, it's just one little

00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:14.920
piece. But that authority, the age does help

00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:16.920
out a little bit. Like if you have an older website,

00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:20.380
not a specific year, but just older than your

00:32:20.380 --> 00:32:22.920
competitors, Google looks at that as you being

00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.619
a little bit more trustworthy. So if I have a

00:32:25.619 --> 00:32:28.759
jewelry line and I've been using my website is

00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:32.599
14 years old, I've got everything going on and

00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:36.569
I want to sell my jewelry line. Am I going to

00:32:36.569 --> 00:32:38.869
be looking and getting some value from my website?

00:32:39.170 --> 00:32:42.289
Am I Google ranking any of that matter if I'm

00:32:42.289 --> 00:32:45.470
going to sell my business and my website? If

00:32:45.470 --> 00:32:47.670
you have Google rankings, then that definitely

00:32:47.670 --> 00:32:49.769
helps out. So you have to look at Google Analytics

00:32:49.769 --> 00:32:53.049
and Search Console and see how much trust that

00:32:53.049 --> 00:32:55.049
website has built up over the past 14 years.

00:32:55.069 --> 00:32:57.750
How many backlinks? How much content? How many

00:32:57.750 --> 00:33:00.690
keywords are you ranking for? Because now is

00:33:00.690 --> 00:33:02.509
a good time to start adding more content to that

00:33:02.509 --> 00:33:05.069
old website. That should help it. That should

00:33:05.069 --> 00:33:07.390
rank pretty quickly since it's an older website.

00:33:08.130 --> 00:33:11.710
I love it. So I've been giving partly good information

00:33:11.710 --> 00:33:14.130
in my rooms, but I make sure they know I'm just

00:33:14.130 --> 00:33:16.990
the average Joe, no expert when it comes to anything

00:33:16.990 --> 00:33:19.710
URL related or Google related. I kind of forget

00:33:19.710 --> 00:33:21.650
Google actually, because it feels like I've been

00:33:21.650 --> 00:33:24.829
using chat GPT and it's so funny on my phone.

00:33:24.950 --> 00:33:27.269
It'll say, do you want me to search Google or

00:33:27.269 --> 00:33:33.660
chat GPT? So. That's Surrey. I don't have anything

00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:36.160
to do with that. But is that interesting that

00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:40.319
it's giving me an option? That is nice of it.

00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.880
Voice search knows what you want. It does. I

00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.680
do use ChatGBT a lot. This has been really interesting.

00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:49.400
Is there anything that I didn't ask you that

00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:51.400
I should have asked you that my listeners need

00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:55.900
to know? I think we covered a lot. Brandon, thanks

00:33:55.900 --> 00:34:00.799
for taking a boring conversation about SEO. Kind

00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:03.220
of making it more boring. I'm just kidding around

00:34:03.220 --> 00:34:05.259
with you, but it really is something that's like

00:34:05.259 --> 00:34:08.179
over our heads, so it's hard to grasp. So I definitely

00:34:08.179 --> 00:34:11.519
would say call Brandon. Get your get the overview

00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:13.260
done right so that you can kind of see where

00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:15.920
you are. And then how expensive is it? Is there

00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.059
like? Is it something that you know spending

00:34:18.059 --> 00:34:20.780
$100 a month? You have to spend $500 a month.

00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.099
What does that look like with with? And I know

00:34:23.099 --> 00:34:25.000
it's all different and personalized for what

00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:29.039
their needs are, but average. Yeah, it really

00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.420
varies. It really does. It depends on the competitiveness,

00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.800
the keywords, how much SEO has been done to your

00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:37.980
website versus the competition. That's why I

00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:40.659
always offer that free website analysis. That

00:34:40.659 --> 00:34:43.960
way I can see what needs to be done in that strategy

00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.800
session together. Otherwise, I'd just be guessing

00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:48.719
and it could be a lot more or it could be a lot

00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:52.559
less, too, just depending. But on average, maybe

00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:56.719
1 ,000 -ish a month. So start with Brandon and,

00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:58.659
and which wouldn't be bad if that's, if you're

00:34:58.659 --> 00:35:01.099
selling, I mean, like one order could cover that.

00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:03.159
So that makes sense. The more I think about it,

00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.559
the more I it's like, it's like our every day

00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:09.039
of using Google. Cause that's the one I use all

00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.320
the time compared to. So what if you had a client

00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:16.699
that said, Oh no, all of us are Bing users. Is

00:35:16.699 --> 00:35:20.840
it similar with Bing or any of the other like

00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.889
not Google? sites that you're using a different

00:35:23.889 --> 00:35:27.110
search engine. Yeah, but it doesn't matter where

00:35:27.110 --> 00:35:28.989
the business owner searches. It matters where

00:35:28.989 --> 00:35:32.090
their clients are searching. Most people are

00:35:32.090 --> 00:35:35.309
doing Google. All right. I appreciate that. Thank

00:35:35.309 --> 00:35:37.610
you, Brandon, for your time, for being bold.

00:35:38.130 --> 00:35:41.690
Brilliant, obviously. And a B for Brandon. I

00:35:41.690 --> 00:35:44.409
love it. I rate this an A plus episode because

00:35:44.409 --> 00:35:46.050
you taught me something. You taught me a couple

00:35:46.050 --> 00:35:48.369
of things. I really, really am going to enjoy

00:35:48.369 --> 00:35:53.309
the Google Search Console. So I definitely, I

00:35:53.309 --> 00:35:55.409
love it, I love it, I love it. All right, so

00:35:55.409 --> 00:35:57.429
Brandon, thank you so much. Have a great rest

00:35:57.429 --> 00:36:01.250
of the day. Enjoy LA. There's a lot going on

00:36:01.250 --> 00:36:04.849
in your neck of the woods. So, oh yeah, wait,

00:36:04.969 --> 00:36:10.030
was it a tunnel collapse? Is that near you? Did

00:36:10.030 --> 00:36:14.590
you see that news? I'm not sure. Oh, don't worry

00:36:14.590 --> 00:36:16.530
about it. I deliver the news on Dateline, so

00:36:16.530 --> 00:36:20.050
I kind of know my news every night. I'm not too

00:36:20.050 --> 00:36:21.510
sure. Yeah, there is something though. So if

00:36:21.510 --> 00:36:23.250
you turn on the news, you'll see that there was

00:36:23.250 --> 00:36:26.429
a tunnel collapse, but they were able to rescue

00:36:26.429 --> 00:36:29.969
like, I think, 33 construction workers. I know,

00:36:30.070 --> 00:36:31.989
a lot going on. All right, I'm going to end the

00:36:31.989 --> 00:36:34.690
stream. Thank you so much. This is interesting.

00:36:36.230 --> 00:36:38.710
I loved it. I loved it. So thank you.