Free Speech on Trial: A Conversation on Human Rights With Evan Turk

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Okay, everyone, I know I get very excited and

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hot and sweaty and all that good stuff. Okay,

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welcome to Adrian Barker Speaks. And yes, yes,

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I know that he's handsome, I guess this brave,

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bald, good looking and his name is Evan Turk

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and I don't know anything about him. All I know

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is that he was very patient because we are streaming

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live on chatter social. And Kate, thank you for

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being in the room. If you would like to speak,

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we would love it. Evan, we're on this app. So

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we're streaming live on three places on Facebook,

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two places on YouTube, one on LinkedIn, one on

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X, and live with ChatterSocial. Kate, are you

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able to un -mic and say hello? I am. Hello. I

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was just sent over by JB to tell you that he's

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back in the room if he wanted to go in there.

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It's not too late. I can stream live there? Yes

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ma 'am. Okay that sounds great. So everyone I'm

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going to, oh wait I don't even think I need to

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be right back. Be patient with me for one second.

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I'm going to just go into another room. Thank

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you Kate so much. I think this is really exciting.

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You'll be able to hear from a lot of voices.

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Evan this will be an experience you've never

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seen before. So okay so he may be a moderator

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in the other room. He said he will when you come

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back if you're not in there right now Okay, if

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he could if he could do it. I'm going to I'm

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gonna stop and I'm going to See if I'm in there

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Evan just hold. Okay. Hold on. Sorry about this.

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Let me Let me go in let me close this for a second

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I can't hear you anymore. It's B, effects cancel.

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Okay, I say I had to redo that again. All righty.

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I can hear you now. Evan, you can hear me? Awesome.

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Okay, Evan. So first of all, we're live still,

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so I'm very excited, you guys. Very excited to

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have everyone here. Evan is on Adrian Barker

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Speaks. No prep needed. And when I say I truly

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don't know who my guest is, I truly don't know

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who my guest is. I know he's a good looking guy.

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I see the Esquire and I know a little enough

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information that I put in the stream. But Evan,

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I don't want the focus on me. I'm not looking

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good today. You are looking great. I just want

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to show you what it looks like on chatter. So

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let's see why is let me go like this so you guys

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can get see this lovely man. All right. Let me

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just show you this is chatter social. So you've

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got a nice audience here and Guys, if you want

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to speak, you just un -mic just one at a time.

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So Evan Turk, welcome to Adrian Barker Speaks.

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Thank you for your patience. First of all, I

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really appreciate it. So who are you? It's a

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good question. I'm trying to figure that out

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myself. I'm an attorney. I run a law firm called

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Turk Law Group. I also am into philanthropy.

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also served as the CEO and founder of a civil

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liberties 501c3, namely the American Rights Alliance,

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which is combating a lot of national issues with

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people who are falsely imprisoned and others

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who are fearful of speaking out. in a society

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right now that has evolved to or devolved in

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some ways. And I'm just trying to protect people's

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civil liberties. It's founded by our principles

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in the U .S. Constitution. So, Attorney Turk,

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I want to introduce you, if Jonathan Bing is

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available, we're actually live in a room, a very

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special room called Debate the News. And Jonathan

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Bing is the owner and the creator. Jonathan,

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are you available? Yes, I am, actually. I just

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want to make sure that you both meet. So Attorney

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Turk, please meet Jonathan Bing. Hi, Jonathan.

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Pleasure to meet you. Pleasure to meet you. Pleasure

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to meet you. So I am totally open if anyone wants

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to ask any questions. Let's go a little deeper

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into what you were talking about as you're saying

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about the civil rights. Can we get an example

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of what that really looks like so I can understand?

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Absolutely. We have a woman by the name of Tina

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Peters is one of our clients who is in jail right

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now. She was a head of county supervisor elections

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that during a 2020 election, they asked her to

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destroy data, which would have breached the federal

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law election law. And in the state of Colorado,

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they demanded that she did it. She backed up

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the information with a whistleblower. And now

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she's faced and she's in jail with an eight year

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sentence. So we're trying to get her out of jail.

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This is completely unconstitutional. Somebody

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who is trying to protect election integrity shouldn't

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have an eight year sentence. Should have no sentence

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whatsoever. 76 year old woman with no prior criminal

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history whatsoever. We have a ton of people who

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have been weaponized because they've been outspoken

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and now they're either serving time in prison

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or have civil action. civil warfare, political

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warfare against them. We have a lot of national

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cases on that. We're doing a lot of pardon work.

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We just got a pardon from somebody after the

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president gave everyone in January six a pardon.

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This one judge decided that that wasn't appropriate

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and put him back into jail. So we got a full

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presidential pardon two weeks ago. We're just

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doing a little of everything. We're not a political

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organization. We are here to help people based

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on a constitutional principles. And what we're

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seeing here right now is just unconscionable.

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And we are here to combat freedom of speech,

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to protect freedom speech, combat anyone who

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is opposed to it. We have no society without.

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that freedom of speech without that we can't

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be free to do what we need to do to make grievances

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to the government to speak out for what we passionately

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agree with and even though we may not agree with

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everybody we also try to protect those freedoms

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of speech so that they can say it just like you

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and i can say what we want to say i can say anything

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but not there's a bomb in the airport you'll

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be surprised well I wish it was that easy, but

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not anymore. We're seeing people who have been

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weaponized, criminalized by a weaponized system.

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So it's just really, really incredible. And you

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see countries like England, there are people

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that don't have freedom of speech on social media,

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Canada as well. If we don't fight it, it's coming

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here next. So, you know, we can't just take these

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freedoms lightly because they're slowly taken

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away from us. Thank you, Attorney Turk. So explain

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to the audience that's listening regarding, I

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saw President Trump's name in your bio and then

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I saw Donald Trump Jr.'s names just so that we

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can understand where they fit in or that you

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were attorney with them. If you could share that

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just so that I understand it and the group understands

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it. I work with an attorney named Peter Tickton.

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Peter Tickton has been practicing law for over

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50 years. He went to military school, high school,

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with the president. So Peter says he's his oldest

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friend. I said, that's because you are his oldest

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friend. He's known you since high school. We

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were able to help and represent the president

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through Alina Habba, who appointed Peter as local

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council. So we've done a lot of things and now

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with the help of Donald Trump Jr. and others,

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we are able to form this organization in a way

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and run this organization in a way that is very

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helpful to spreading the message and to really

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get What we really need to protect protected

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so that we have a country to give to our next

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generation. And I keep saying this is not a political

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organization. It's not you don't have to have

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a Trump philosophy or a conservative Republican

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philosophy. You have to have an American philosophy

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and understanding of what the Constitution meant,

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what it means and why it's worthy of being protected.

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So Attorney Turk, as I said, we're live on Chatter

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Social and Jonathan Bing is the owner and the

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creator of Debate the News. And part of what

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he does is really allowing us and giving us a

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voice for those that come in to debate. Lovely.

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And we have both sides coming in. I'm not the

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greatest when it comes to these kind of conversations,

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but my first question is really, Is someone finding

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you or are you seeing a story on the news and

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saying, oh, this is someone that we can help?

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How does the initial contact work? People are

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finding us. We do a show on a network, a national

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network called Real America's Voice. It's called

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A Case for America. We air that every Saturday

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at four o 'clock. It's an hour show where we

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overview the cases that we're highlighting that

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are pretty much unconscionable. So that audience

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finds us. I would imagine there's quite a bit

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of people that watch that show and we're never

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short of work. Unfortunately, there's so much

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problems that are out there that We can never

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stop seven days a week. So, um, you know, we're

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not marketing ourselves. Uh, I guess, you know,

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talking about being on a podcast, I guess this

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is marketing the charity. And one of the reasons

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why, why I do it, but, um, you know, we're not

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readily marketing ourselves. The cases find us.

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Got it. Got it. Had there been more cases in

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the past, let's say, five years? I mean, our

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charity has been around for a couple of years

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now. So we really started out to help people

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in January 6. If really you understood or in

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the audience understood what truly happened,

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I think most people would be shocked. because

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it's not what you heard on mainstream media.

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So that's where we started, but we've evolved

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and we're representing all types of cases, all

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types of people on both sides of the political

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aisle. What we're really trying to do is keep

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America principled in its values. based on the

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U .S. Constitution. I keep saying that, but it's

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really our core mission is we have this amazing

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freedom, but it's being taken away from us and

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it's scary. We have people who, one case they

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were working on, over a billion dollars of his

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hard -earned business assets were taken and it

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went up to the Supreme Court and the Supreme

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Court released those assets and then they took

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it under another false pretense. And this guy

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can't really fight because he's in jail with

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no assets. It's anti -capitalism, it's anti -America.

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And we all have this American dream and still

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this is the best country to make it. But we shouldn't

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fear becoming successful and having imprisonment

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as an outcome for being a capitalist. I mean,

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it's not. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I was going to.

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Sorry, sorry, attorney Turk. Finish what you're

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saying and then Jonathan B would like to come

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in. Oh, Jonathan. No, Jonathan. I could talk

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forever, so please interrupt. Ask me a question.

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OK, no, you said this. The country is devolving

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and you're opening statements. Can you give us

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a bit more information on how this country is

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devolving? Yeah, we're freedom of speech is no

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longer as free as it once was. We have media

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that if you say anything, you're going to be

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taken off a platform. You have take the 2016

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election where or 2020 election where the New

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York Post had evidence to support. Hunter Biden's

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laptop and the Department of Justice basically

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eliminated that from happening and calling it

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false news and anyone who actually reported it

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on any social media platform was deplatformed.

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mean that that's incredibly incredibly political

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anti -american anti -constitution anti the constitution

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against everything that we we believe in and

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oh by the way we found out that that information

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was true it was accurate and they knew it but

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you couldn't I can't answer a question when you

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just made a blanket statement that I have no

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idea what you're saying. So, John, then please.

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No, there's two. There's two. But what I'm saying

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is that laptop that we did not ever find out

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that everything on there was true. We know a

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lot of stuff was AI generated on there. No, we

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don't. We don't. We don't. Actually, the proof

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do you have proof? What proof that you had that

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everything on a laptop was true? The Department

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of Justice came clean with it and said it was

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true and it was accurate and they retracted with

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the part I mean which was departmental justice

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Let me share with you and this is the problem

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and I you're entitled to your freedom of speech

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Jonathan really are but I'm sorry. All I'm doing

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is looking at myself here, so I don't see anybody

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or I don't know anyone I'm speaking with. But

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let's scratch the laptop because there's neither

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here nor there, right? Let's talk about what's

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going on right now in this country. How do you

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feel about the Epstein files and the cover -up

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that's going on with these things? I think it's

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crazy. I don't understand it at all. I don't

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understand why the information is not being released

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now. And I don't understand why it wasn't released

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under the prior administration. Well, we know

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why it wasn't released under the prior administration

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because it was appeals going on. And you can't

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release that stuff during an appeal because it

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could hurt the case or whatever. But right now,

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while Trump had the ability, just say Biden could

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have did it. Okay. He was wrong for not doing

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it. Trump got the ability, him and his DOJ got

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the ability to make it right. Why are they fighting

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tooth and nail to keep this stuff from being

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released? Do you think they're covering up for

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other people or Trump is covering up for himself?

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I don't think Trump is covering up for anybody.

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He told everybody release the information. I

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don't know why the people in Congress are fighting

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it tooth and nail. I mean, you know, there are

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certain congressmen, whether they're Republicans

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or Democrats. I mean, some happen to be Republicans

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and, you know, makes you question all of that.

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I, you know, I'm not here to support what happens

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to the Epstein case. And I'm not here to be political

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and say, you know what, if this looks bad against

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one side, then let's let's have a different answer

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than if it looks bad to the other side. I'm trying

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to be apolitical here. I do not know why the

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Epstein file hasn't been completely released

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and it scares me and it shocks me and that's

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what we do as a charity. We have a right to get

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information, right? We have a right to know what's

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going on. And at the highest levels, why isn't

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that information? Being released what why why

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since we know certain people that were there

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on the Epstein plane take Bill Clinton was there.

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27 times I believe why. Donald Trump is a Donald

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Trump when it seemed like him and Donald Trump

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really close friends at one point but my thing

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is it was all Epstein and Donald Trump they're

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really close friends Epstein was at his wedding.

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And it seemed like they were very fond of each

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other at one point. One thing is it was all Republicans

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that was fighting against it. 100 % of the Democrats

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voted to release them. But I think only four

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Republicans voted to release it. The other ones

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didn't? No, I think four voted. That's a red

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flag, right? no i think four voted to not release

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them and the rest did and uh no no no no no no

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no no absolutely hold on hold on like you told

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me we can't can't just run past that point it

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was only four thing marjorie taylor you know

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marjorie taylor green was the leading that effort

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and she couldn't get one more i think they needed

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five and she could only get four if they would

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have got five it could have been released my

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numbers might be off by one or two How many Republicans

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blocked the Epstein files? If I can jump in,

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if you recall, the reason that the House was

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out of session was because Michael Johnson, Mike

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Johnson, Michael Johnson kept them out because

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that gave the final vote that was needed in order

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to go ahead and have the vote. So that definitely

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is incorrect. And he's correct. There was only

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four so far Republicans. supporting that bill

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initially until Trump finally felt he had nowhere

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to go. And he said, Hey, you know what? Go ahead

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and vote for it. So he's absolutely 100 % correct

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in that assertion. Also, you know, you did make

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this. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're saying 100%.

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This is this is the problem we have when we discuss

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these things. Somebody says it's 100 % correct.

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Therefore, it's 100 % correct without fact checking

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it and without knowing what the truth is. So

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I can't just allow that to happen without fact

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checking it. Because I don't think it's really

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accurate. We completely talk about this every

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day. It only take you like 10 seconds to fact

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check it. I'm fact checking it now. It's taking

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more than 10 seconds. And that's... Not true.

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Over 300 unique instances, but no single tally

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exceeds 211 House votes to block it. Who blocked

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it? Democrats and Republicans. Democrats pushed

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hardest for release, but held minority status

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so they couldn't force votes. So some ex -posts

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claim Democrats block Republican efforts, but

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evidence shows... GOP majorities control the

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blocks in Congress. Current status, with the

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bill signed, I mean, I don't see four people,

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a majority, with the bill signed, full release

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is imminent. Partial docs already show Epstein

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ties to figure across parties. For example, Bill

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Clinton mentioned 50 times, but now no new charges.

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No evidence implicates Trump in crimes despite

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speculation. I mean, so... Lot of what we were

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just discussing is not factual It's what what

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what media site you hear and how the news you

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want to hear it to be disclosed? I don't see

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four people all but four people I can't remember

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the three, I'll get the names in a minute, but

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early on, that's why she was showing up right

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before, right before Charlie Kirk got killed.

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She was leading the way she could, if they would

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have got five Republicans, it would have had

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enough votes to release them. They could only

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get four. They couldn't get that one person.

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And then, hold on one second. And then when they

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got the, I can't remember the woman name. She

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won and Mike Johnson. In arizona, she refused

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to swear in because her vote would have gotten

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them released and he would he went weeks without

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swearing her in And he uh, and it went through

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the shutdown and they finally I don't know. I

00:23:55.849 --> 00:23:57.569
don't know. I don't know what you're talking

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about. I don't know who he is Let's not talk

00:24:12.009 --> 00:24:14.910
over each other. Attorney Turk is a guest of

00:24:14.910 --> 00:24:17.269
mine on Adrian Barker Speaks. We're live on the

00:24:17.269 --> 00:24:20.029
podcast, and we are streaming out to about 10

00:24:20.029 --> 00:24:24.089
locations. So just when you speak, just let it

00:24:24.089 --> 00:24:26.210
be a conversation. We won't talk over each other.

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And then introduce yourself too. Two's name is

00:24:28.950 --> 00:24:31.430
actually T -O -O. That's how he goes with this

00:24:31.430 --> 00:24:35.569
app, and we all love him. And I'm not even sure,

00:24:35.569 --> 00:24:39.700
too, if you were here when Evan Turk. the attorney

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introduced himself and what he actually does.

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So finish the conversation and then Evan maybe

00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:47.559
we could just do a quick reset so you can share.

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I didn't know what type of I don't know what

00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:53.059
type of this I'm good about. I don't know but

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one way I go 100 % or none at all I'm sorry I

00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.880
didn't know this has been broadcast out. No,

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no, no. We love your passion. I think that's

00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:04.259
great. And I think Attorney Turk doesn't mind.

00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:07.359
It's just it can be confusing sometimes. But

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Jonathan, did you have other questions regarding

00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:16.579
exactly what Attorney Turk actually does? No,

00:25:16.660 --> 00:25:21.079
not at all. It's clear. And the truth can be

00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.059
confusing at times. And I get it. So I'm going

00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:27.380
to meet up a little bit as well. So Attorney

00:25:27.380 --> 00:25:31.819
Turk. You're on the podcast, and I'm so thrilled

00:25:31.819 --> 00:25:34.599
that you said yes. I usually do business podcasts,

00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:38.380
so I don't really talk politics. On DTN, it's

00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:41.160
very rare that I speak up. But my question to

00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.440
you is, so you're on the podcast. What are you

00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.339
hoping to achieve? What is our goal? How can

00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:51.259
we help you? I'd just like to get our name out

00:25:51.259 --> 00:25:54.299
there. I don't mind having debates with anybody.

00:25:54.890 --> 00:25:57.369
As long as it's respectful, I don't want to be

00:25:57.369 --> 00:26:01.069
disrespectful to anyone else. And I like to really

00:26:01.069 --> 00:26:03.970
learn about other opinions because we all can

00:26:03.970 --> 00:26:06.650
be wrong, right? But to answer your question

00:26:06.650 --> 00:26:14.029
is I just want to open the charity up to all

00:26:14.029 --> 00:26:19.250
people of all different opinions because we're

00:26:19.250 --> 00:26:24.700
not a conservative. or Republican -driven 501c3,

00:26:24.700 --> 00:26:27.059
we're not political, we're apolitical. We're

00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:31.339
just trying to protect what I think all of us

00:26:31.339 --> 00:26:33.640
could agree on is the First Amendment, the freedom

00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.460
of speech. Shouldn't be based upon just what

00:26:36.460 --> 00:26:39.900
you agree with, but it should be, you know, most

00:26:39.900 --> 00:26:42.980
protected and the things that you disagree most

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with. Because if we don't have an open discourse

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and a public discourse of conversation, then

00:26:48.740 --> 00:26:51.670
we no longer have a free country. And we don't

00:26:51.670 --> 00:26:56.529
have a country which has stood the test of time

00:26:56.529 --> 00:26:59.450
since the beginning, but free speech also allows

00:26:59.450 --> 00:27:02.289
us to evolve to get rid of things that we were

00:27:02.289 --> 00:27:05.769
against. But the thing that we should never ever

00:27:05.769 --> 00:27:08.650
take away is our ability to address our opinions,

00:27:08.750 --> 00:27:12.349
even if we're wrong. I love that Attorney Turk.

00:27:12.509 --> 00:27:14.529
And I think you would actually enjoy the room,

00:27:14.910 --> 00:27:17.410
the debate, the news, ChatterSocial. So we're

00:27:17.410 --> 00:27:20.670
live on ChatterSocial. I'll send you the link

00:27:20.670 --> 00:27:25.569
for the listeners, C -H -A -T -T -E -R, social.

00:27:25.690 --> 00:27:29.190
You can find it in your app store. You can look

00:27:29.190 --> 00:27:31.690
for the website chattersocial .io. And that's

00:27:31.690 --> 00:27:34.769
exactly what we do every single night is really

00:27:34.769 --> 00:27:38.759
have some fantastic discussions. So how are you

00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:42.940
raising the funds for this 501c3? Getting the

00:27:42.940 --> 00:27:46.039
word out. We have certain donors that are really

00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:52.039
generous, have been considerate. And we also,

00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.299
on each of the cases that we have been working

00:27:55.299 --> 00:28:00.359
on, that we raised money. We're blessed to have

00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.880
people write articles about us, and that brings

00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:10.089
attention to it. We also do fundraisers, calls,

00:28:11.329 --> 00:28:14.789
networks, you name it, we're doing it because

00:28:14.789 --> 00:28:18.049
when you have somebody who's behind bars or somebody

00:28:18.049 --> 00:28:24.490
who you would be amazed that they're being either

00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:27.069
criminalized for something that's not criminal

00:28:27.069 --> 00:28:31.250
whatsoever or their first amendment rights are

00:28:31.250 --> 00:28:35.559
being taken away and they can't speak up. You

00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:37.519
know, it gets really expensive when you need

00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:42.539
to hire legal representation, but It is critically

00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:48.579
important So what we do, you know Go ahead Jonathan

00:28:48.579 --> 00:28:52.960
No, I agree with him freedom of speech should

00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.019
never ever ever be That that's the right that's

00:28:56.019 --> 00:28:57.799
in the Constitution. I think freedom of speech

00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:02.660
leads to is that cornerstone of all of all of

00:29:02.660 --> 00:29:04.480
our rights, especially in that First Amendment

00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.980
freedom to assemble protests and all that other

00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:09.559
stuff that comes along with freedom of the press.

00:29:10.619 --> 00:29:13.339
All that. But so with that being said, how do

00:29:13.339 --> 00:29:16.980
you feel about what happened to Jimmy Kimmel?

00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.740
See, I don't like the fact. I mean, I think what

00:29:21.740 --> 00:29:25.210
Jimmy Kimmel said was despicable. But i don't

00:29:25.210 --> 00:29:27.450
think you should have been taken off his platform

00:29:27.450 --> 00:29:31.829
and that's really what we are here to protect

00:29:31.829 --> 00:29:34.569
and i mean i may not be the biggest jimmy kimmel

00:29:34.569 --> 00:29:39.990
fan i know i knew charlie kirk personally i was

00:29:39.990 --> 00:29:43.650
on the board of turning port turning point us

00:29:43.650 --> 00:29:47.210
a. Charlie would give me calls asking me for

00:29:47.210 --> 00:29:49.769
advice from time to time, which was amazing because

00:29:49.769 --> 00:29:53.750
this guy was 17 years younger than me and I looked

00:29:53.750 --> 00:29:57.390
up to him. So, you know, I have skin in the game

00:29:57.390 --> 00:30:01.289
because I knew Charlie on a personal level, but

00:30:01.289 --> 00:30:05.309
I don't think that Jimmy Kimmel, although what

00:30:05.309 --> 00:30:09.789
he said was completely inappropriate. What exactly?

00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.539
what exactly is inappropriate? He just said that

00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:15.519
Donald, he played a clip where Donald Trump started

00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:18.980
talking about, speaking about something else,

00:30:19.059 --> 00:30:22.559
the building, and you know, over there. He didn't

00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.559
speak, in fact, he actually condemned the violence,

00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:31.759
and he actually sent his condolences and everything

00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:36.220
to the Kirk family. And all he did was use a

00:30:36.220 --> 00:30:39.170
video of Trump, showing Trump. You know, when

00:30:39.170 --> 00:30:41.730
a reporter asked about Charlie Kirk and Charlie

00:30:41.730 --> 00:30:45.049
Trump, uh, analogy briefly and then started speaking

00:30:45.049 --> 00:30:47.329
about something else. What was despicable about

00:30:47.329 --> 00:30:50.890
that? He didn't say anything despicable. He was

00:30:50.890 --> 00:30:56.650
blaming the MAGA movement for the cause of the

00:30:56.650 --> 00:30:59.369
assassination. That was one of them. That's incorrect.

00:31:00.069 --> 00:31:05.009
That doesn't correct. It did not. Yeah, I'll

00:31:05.009 --> 00:31:06.809
get it. What did Jimmy Kimmel? I'll write right

00:31:06.809 --> 00:31:10.990
now. What did Jimmy Kimmel say? Rather than argue,

00:31:10.990 --> 00:31:13.170
we could get this information really quickly.

00:31:13.269 --> 00:31:18.390
Kimmel say about Charlie Kirk. Yeah, we're not

00:31:18.390 --> 00:31:20.710
arguing. We're having a discussion. No, I understand

00:31:20.710 --> 00:31:23.029
that. But I want to get facts are important because

00:31:23.029 --> 00:31:27.589
when people say that didn't happen, the listening

00:31:27.589 --> 00:31:30.029
audience is not going to really understand what

00:31:30.029 --> 00:31:34.809
what happened. He said it was on how Trump's

00:31:34.809 --> 00:31:38.230
allies allegedly exploited the tragedy for political

00:31:38.230 --> 00:31:40.569
gain. He later defended them as intentionally

00:31:40.569 --> 00:31:42.970
and maliciously mixed character, characterized

00:31:42.970 --> 00:31:46.049
by critics. You also said, hold on a second.

00:31:46.950 --> 00:31:48.869
We're talking about, you're talking about, I'm

00:31:48.869 --> 00:31:50.769
talking about an incident that led up to that.

00:31:51.289 --> 00:31:53.190
Because he said plenty about it afterwards. He

00:31:53.190 --> 00:31:55.509
said plenty about the right after that. after

00:31:55.509 --> 00:31:58.450
they led the attack on him. But what did he say

00:31:58.450 --> 00:32:02.150
in that moment to cause the outrage? Facts matter,

00:32:02.450 --> 00:32:05.109
right? And context matters as well. Exactly.

00:32:05.369 --> 00:32:08.069
I agree with both of those statements. And one

00:32:08.069 --> 00:32:10.470
second. Guys, Adrian said that we're allowed

00:32:10.470 --> 00:32:12.069
to ask questions. If anyone else wants to jump

00:32:12.069 --> 00:32:16.059
in and ask a question, please. I do. I found

00:32:16.059 --> 00:32:19.880
it interesting. I was reading an article this

00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.519
afternoon. It talked about a guy from Turning

00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.619
Point saying that every new attack aimed at a

00:32:25.619 --> 00:32:30.559
Pete Hecht set makes me want another narco drug

00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.000
boat blown up and sent to the bottom of the ocean.

00:32:38.059 --> 00:32:41.779
Go ahead. All right. So let me stop because I

00:32:41.779 --> 00:32:46.410
think that That type of statements is completely

00:32:46.410 --> 00:32:51.690
deplorable and it's just something that I don't,

00:32:51.690 --> 00:32:53.930
I don't understand why people open their mouth.

00:32:55.049 --> 00:32:58.710
Let me just get back, let me get back to what

00:32:58.710 --> 00:32:59.970
was said. Wait, wait, wait, let me finish it.

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Can I finish my, just my statement says that

00:33:03.549 --> 00:33:07.970
Turning Point USA spokesman, Andrew Calvet posted

00:33:07.970 --> 00:33:15.099
that Thursday on X. when is free speech okay

00:33:15.099 --> 00:33:19.700
and when is it not? When we talk about the rhetoric

00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:23.460
that was said about Kimmel, it was nowhere near

00:33:23.460 --> 00:33:27.619
what this guy just said from turning point. An

00:33:27.619 --> 00:33:29.700
official from turning point said that and has

00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:32.660
been quoted in an article about defending Pete

00:33:32.660 --> 00:33:38.359
Hicks that the secretary of defense actually

00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:42.269
turning a turtle with a rocket launcher being

00:33:42.269 --> 00:33:46.609
on his personal stuff to say, hey, look, we can

00:33:46.609 --> 00:33:49.450
blow these people up whoever we want. That's

00:33:49.450 --> 00:33:54.269
crazy to me. All right. So let me answer. Let

00:33:54.269 --> 00:33:56.710
me address this. First of all, what I was saying

00:33:56.710 --> 00:34:00.470
about Jimmy Kimmel, I was correct. He said he

00:34:00.470 --> 00:34:04.009
implied the shooter, 22 year old Tyler Robinson.

00:34:04.750 --> 00:34:08.530
He said that he had emerging far right ties.

00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:12.659
in the initial reports and that's what was despicable

00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:16.480
that he was trying to blame the shooting on the

00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.139
MAGA movement and on conservatives and that's

00:34:19.139 --> 00:34:25.500
what was got people infuriated in the fact that

00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:30.139
here is a guy Charlie Kirk that got assassinated

00:34:30.139 --> 00:34:35.489
for what for freedom of speech He was an evangelical

00:34:35.489 --> 00:34:39.449
Christian. People said that he was sexist. He

00:34:39.449 --> 00:34:42.789
wasn't sexist. He just followed his faith and

00:34:42.789 --> 00:34:44.949
he preached everything in his faith. And I'll

00:34:44.949 --> 00:34:46.429
get to your question in a second. I just want

00:34:46.429 --> 00:34:48.710
to address this first because it's really important

00:34:48.710 --> 00:34:51.250
because it's really what the core of what we're

00:34:51.250 --> 00:34:56.659
about is. They said that he was racist because

00:34:56.659 --> 00:34:59.059
they said he said something about Martin Luther

00:34:59.059 --> 00:35:01.360
King and if you look and peel the layers off

00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.739
over he called Martin Luther King out because

00:35:05.739 --> 00:35:08.059
he said that there are a lot of women in Martin

00:35:08.059 --> 00:35:11.980
Luther King's presence that were being exploited

00:35:11.980 --> 00:35:18.820
sexually and he was not even a faithful man to

00:35:18.820 --> 00:35:24.019
his spouse. So that was misconstrued. completely

00:35:24.019 --> 00:35:27.019
to say that he was racist. I mean, I knew the

00:35:27.019 --> 00:35:29.460
guy. There was not a racist bone, racial bone

00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:32.980
in his body. But getting back to the spokesperson

00:35:32.980 --> 00:35:36.539
for Turning Point USA, I don't know who this

00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:39.960
person is. So if somebody, Turning Point has

00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.940
in every university, they have a chapter and

00:35:43.940 --> 00:35:48.190
there's probably about 200. plus students in

00:35:48.190 --> 00:35:51.289
each of those chapters. So if you take that as

00:35:51.289 --> 00:35:54.550
a whole and multiply that out you have probably

00:35:54.550 --> 00:35:57.369
over a hundred thousand people that can be labeled

00:35:57.369 --> 00:36:01.989
as a turning point representative. You can't

00:36:01.989 --> 00:36:04.590
control that many viewpoints and there are going

00:36:04.590 --> 00:36:10.309
to be people who say things that are not in complete

00:36:10.309 --> 00:36:13.650
contrast with what Charlie stood for and what

00:36:13.650 --> 00:36:17.690
turning point stood for and stands for. So I

00:36:17.690 --> 00:36:21.489
don't think that statement is anything in line

00:36:21.489 --> 00:36:23.710
with the values of Turning Point USA and the

00:36:23.710 --> 00:36:26.449
people that I know that are know very closely

00:36:26.449 --> 00:36:29.889
with the organization itself and why it was founded.

00:36:30.429 --> 00:36:35.489
So I don't want to spew out misinformation based

00:36:35.489 --> 00:36:38.289
upon something that this is the first time I

00:36:38.289 --> 00:36:40.670
heard it. I don't know if it's accurate. I don't

00:36:40.670 --> 00:36:43.210
know who this person is. But I do know that you

00:36:43.210 --> 00:36:45.550
have over 100 ,000 people that could be labeled

00:36:45.550 --> 00:36:48.989
as an agent of Turning Point because all they

00:36:48.989 --> 00:36:51.349
have to do is have a membership into one of their

00:36:51.349 --> 00:36:55.429
school chapters. I mean, you could find that

00:36:55.429 --> 00:37:00.269
in every single organization. I don't think that

00:37:00.269 --> 00:37:03.230
is the direction we should go because we'll never

00:37:03.230 --> 00:37:06.050
ever actually have an understanding because will

00:37:06.050 --> 00:37:09.130
be spewing misinformation out there because we

00:37:09.130 --> 00:37:13.670
have bias agendas. We focus in on aligning our

00:37:13.670 --> 00:37:17.909
bias, all of us, including me. And that's why

00:37:17.909 --> 00:37:22.050
freedom of speech is so important is let me understand

00:37:22.050 --> 00:37:24.510
the other side's viewpoint because let me find

00:37:24.510 --> 00:37:28.050
out why I am wrong. And quite honestly, I am

00:37:28.050 --> 00:37:32.469
wrong often, but I'm willing. You're a little

00:37:32.469 --> 00:37:34.389
bit wrong about Charlie Kirk because he had a

00:37:34.389 --> 00:37:37.480
lot of bigoted and racist statement outside of

00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.800
what you just said. Because he said exactly that's

00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.480
not the only thing he said about Martin Luther

00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.380
King. He said he shouldn't have a holiday. He

00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:49.219
said a lot of things. Do you agree or disagree

00:37:49.219 --> 00:37:51.940
that he made a lot of bigoted and racist statements?

00:37:52.409 --> 00:37:55.630
I have not heard a single bigoted or racist thing

00:37:55.630 --> 00:37:58.449
that he said. I read the context of what he said

00:37:58.449 --> 00:38:00.349
about Martin Luther King because I wanted to

00:38:00.349 --> 00:38:04.550
know. I think that he just followed the, I know,

00:38:05.289 --> 00:38:09.329
the core of me knows that he followed the evangelical

00:38:09.329 --> 00:38:14.809
Christian Bible to its core and he did not have

00:38:14.809 --> 00:38:17.329
a racist bone in his body and you know it's funny

00:38:17.329 --> 00:38:19.409
because I don't know if you know. I have something

00:38:19.409 --> 00:38:22.090
to say when you're done. Yeah, I don't know if

00:38:22.090 --> 00:38:25.769
you know. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You guys we

00:38:25.769 --> 00:38:28.750
are live on. We are live not only just on chatter

00:38:28.750 --> 00:38:32.110
social, but 10 platforms. Attorney Turk is my

00:38:32.110 --> 00:38:35.110
guest on Adrian Barker speaks. I had no idea

00:38:35.110 --> 00:38:37.949
who he is. I don't prep so there's no fluff.

00:38:38.409 --> 00:38:43.050
So so one at a time and and then and and we're

00:38:43.050 --> 00:38:46.960
not going to argue so. Am I allowed to finish

00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:48.920
because there was a conversation that he was

00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.500
finishing up and I just can he can he finish

00:38:51.500 --> 00:38:53.440
can he finish his plan about why taller kirk

00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.380
ain't racist don't have a racist bone in his

00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:59.559
body I mean I i've known him personally one of

00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:05.579
the things that um I think around 2011 or 2012

00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:11.239
I went to um Dallas. They had an event for Turning

00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:13.920
Point. This is right when I got started into

00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.059
Turning Point USA. And I got to be backstage

00:39:17.059 --> 00:39:22.099
with Charlie. It was a women's event. And he

00:39:22.099 --> 00:39:26.480
was looking out at the audience and there was

00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:31.139
probably, I'm guessing, maybe, let's say 15 ,000

00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:33.440
people in the audience. It was a big convention.

00:39:34.690 --> 00:39:37.170
and the convention hall that was hosting it right

00:39:37.170 --> 00:39:40.190
by the airport. And I said to Charlie, I said,

00:39:40.329 --> 00:39:43.190
you know, the one thing you really have to focus

00:39:43.190 --> 00:39:49.849
in on is look at this audience. What do you notice

00:39:49.849 --> 00:39:55.769
here? And I said, joking, but with truth is that

00:39:55.769 --> 00:39:59.750
if we had to have crayons to color this, we would

00:39:59.750 --> 00:40:02.389
only need the lightest shades of the rainbow.

00:40:02.570 --> 00:40:05.530
And we need diversity. If you're a conservative

00:40:05.530 --> 00:40:11.369
organization, you really need to capture everyone.

00:40:11.789 --> 00:40:15.090
And we had a nice conversation about what he's

00:40:15.090 --> 00:40:17.530
doing and what he's trying to accomplish and

00:40:17.530 --> 00:40:20.630
how he feels. We just had a personal conversation.

00:40:20.809 --> 00:40:23.570
So he got a good understanding of his heart right

00:40:23.570 --> 00:40:27.010
then and there. And then the next couple of weeks,

00:40:27.650 --> 00:40:31.710
there was another event in West Palm Beach. And

00:40:31.710 --> 00:40:34.230
there was a dinner and I got invited and sitting

00:40:34.230 --> 00:40:37.289
next to me was Candice Owens. And that's when

00:40:37.289 --> 00:40:40.849
he hired Candice Owens, who I'm not a big Candice

00:40:40.849 --> 00:40:44.090
Owens fan. I think what she's saying about Judaism

00:40:44.090 --> 00:40:50.190
and Israel is completely inappropriate and unconscionable.

00:40:50.849 --> 00:40:55.050
But at the time, it was, you know, him listening

00:40:55.050 --> 00:40:59.510
and realizing that We do need he does turning

00:40:59.510 --> 00:41:04.269
point needs diversity and they have you know

00:41:04.269 --> 00:41:07.369
organizations within the organization for diversity

00:41:07.369 --> 00:41:12.650
and they have You know, not only do they have

00:41:12.650 --> 00:41:18.730
women's Events they have events for minorities

00:41:18.730 --> 00:41:23.210
they have a black Annual convention. I mean they

00:41:23.210 --> 00:41:28.480
do a lot to capture diversity But I think people

00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:32.380
take him out of context and I cannot imagine

00:41:32.380 --> 00:41:38.800
somebody who I knew quite personally I just didn't

00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:44.440
see an ounce of racism in his body and people

00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:48.780
take what he said for being evangelical more

00:41:48.780 --> 00:41:54.219
so out of context to support a position and One

00:41:54.219 --> 00:41:57.539
of the things that's really challenging for me

00:41:57.539 --> 00:42:01.599
is to have open dialogue where every time you

00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:05.039
have a disagreement, the other side is going

00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:10.019
to call you racist. And it just really devalues

00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:13.199
the conversation because you could have ideas

00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:19.019
that may not be supportive of one group or another,

00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.380
but that doesn't not necessarily make you racist.

00:42:21.539 --> 00:42:24.119
I mean, you could call out some truth in certain

00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:29.699
situations, which he did for all types of faith

00:42:29.699 --> 00:42:33.440
and race and everything else. But he didn't do

00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:39.019
it with what? Even the pilots, the black pilots,

00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:44.599
the black pilots that he talked about. The what

00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:46.960
when United Airlines are you? I don't know what

00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.500
he said, but I assume you're talking about when

00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:55.179
United Airlines decided to use DEI in their hiring

00:42:55.179 --> 00:42:58.380
policy and focus in on getting not the best pilots,

00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:02.460
but the best pilots who happen to be either women

00:43:02.460 --> 00:43:04.739
or black. I think that's probably what your.

00:43:05.269 --> 00:43:07.590
referring to it wasn't black it wasn't just black

00:43:07.590 --> 00:43:10.210
because no it was just black it was all it was

00:43:10.210 --> 00:43:12.369
asians it was every every spanish it was everyone

00:43:12.369 --> 00:43:14.789
so you can't say black it wasn't just black that

00:43:14.789 --> 00:43:16.550
that's a fallacy that's that's a misconception

00:43:16.550 --> 00:43:20.449
that was out there it was no i just said i just

00:43:20.449 --> 00:43:23.150
i'm talking more about i assume it was more about

00:43:23.150 --> 00:43:26.210
dei than anything because he wasn't a person

00:43:26.210 --> 00:43:28.769
they still had to take they still had to pass

00:43:28.769 --> 00:43:31.809
the same test right they didn't lower test requirements

00:43:31.809 --> 00:43:34.030
they just went out and recruited different people

00:43:34.030 --> 00:43:35.909
but you still have to have the same requirements

00:43:35.909 --> 00:43:39.309
so it doesn't make you less safe. No that's not

00:43:39.309 --> 00:43:41.550
true that's not true what they said was that

00:43:41.550 --> 00:43:44.389
they're gonna hire x amount of people so what

00:43:44.389 --> 00:43:46.489
that meant was they're not gonna get the best

00:43:46.489 --> 00:43:49.309
people they were gonna get the best people that

00:43:49.309 --> 00:43:55.110
by based on racism and based on um yeah that's

00:43:55.099 --> 00:43:58.820
Book it up. That's exactly what they said We

00:43:58.820 --> 00:44:04.300
need to hire 80 % of people That aren't white

00:44:04.300 --> 00:44:07.500
males. I mean that's attorney Kirk. This is this

00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:10.500
is OG James So when we deal with aviation, you're

00:44:10.500 --> 00:44:13.300
still talking about ATP certification through

00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:16.280
the FAA so when you're looking at that, but I

00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:20.179
wanted to slide back because I think If you I

00:44:20.179 --> 00:44:23.300
think you're us familiar with the fact that Wheaton

00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:25.820
College is an evangelical university. I'm an

00:44:25.820 --> 00:44:27.860
alum of Wheaton College, but I'm also a black

00:44:27.860 --> 00:44:29.599
man that grew up on the west side of Chicago.

00:44:30.260 --> 00:44:33.480
Now, when you spoke about being evangelicals,

00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:37.000
you're familiar with the book of Matthew, chapter

00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.059
seven, verses one through seven, where it starts

00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:41.579
talking about, just not let she be judged. And

00:44:41.579 --> 00:44:43.480
when you sat there and you talked about, even

00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.679
if we're not dealing with race, when you talked

00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:48.199
about how he judged Martin Luther King according

00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:52.320
to certain actions that he did, Are we not expressly

00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.699
kind of told not to do that? That's not part

00:44:54.699 --> 00:44:57.519
of love to judge folks like that. Let them know

00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.659
you by your love, not by judgment. If you're

00:45:00.659 --> 00:45:03.920
an evangelical, should you be judging? Was Charlie

00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:07.960
Kirk or are you correct in judging people the

00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.079
way that you looked at him and the way that he

00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.219
talked about Martin Luther King? Is that an inappropriate

00:45:13.219 --> 00:45:17.199
thing to do for an evangelical Christian? I am

00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:21.000
not an evangelical. I do not know that. To be

00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.739
true and what I am saying about what he said

00:45:23.739 --> 00:45:26.639
about Martin Luther King I I'm referencing it

00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.480
from my memory But I can go back and look at

00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.659
exactly what he said. So like again, you're taking

00:45:32.659 --> 00:45:36.400
what I said might be 80 % accurate because it's

00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.300
coming from my recollection not from Exactly

00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:41.820
what came out of his mouth, but if you took what

00:45:41.820 --> 00:45:45.199
it came out of his mouth and said Exactly what

00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:48.039
came and I could look it up if you want and maybe

00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:50.639
we could have a discussion about that. But I'm

00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:54.260
just paraphrasing what so so so here's what came

00:45:54.260 --> 00:45:56.559
out of your mouth. What came out of your mouth

00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.780
was that you question the qualifications of people

00:45:59.780 --> 00:46:03.719
that have to pass an FAA stringent certification

00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:05.880
with more than 20. They probably have more than

00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:11.039
2500 flight hours before they get behind a major.

00:46:12.509 --> 00:46:16.150
like United or American, right? Are you familiar

00:46:16.150 --> 00:46:18.349
with that? And if you're not, then why are you

00:46:18.349 --> 00:46:20.989
talking about it? You made that comment. And

00:46:20.989 --> 00:46:23.269
even, I'm not talking about the exactism. I asked

00:46:23.269 --> 00:46:26.769
you not to judge. I said, if he, let's change

00:46:26.769 --> 00:46:30.090
it the way I said it. If he said it, if he said

00:46:30.090 --> 00:46:33.210
it. OG, OG, one second. Let's remember he's a

00:46:33.210 --> 00:46:39.309
guest here. Look at that. No, no, look. One of

00:46:39.309 --> 00:46:41.489
the things that i appreciate in this conversation

00:46:41.489 --> 00:46:45.409
is heated conversations of people who. Disagree

00:46:45.409 --> 00:46:49.250
with me or question me because at the end of

00:46:49.250 --> 00:46:52.190
the day i'm gonna have to know my facts better

00:46:52.190 --> 00:46:54.690
and so that i could support arguments with people

00:46:54.690 --> 00:46:57.650
who have the opposing side. It's easy when you

00:46:57.650 --> 00:47:00.110
have conversations with people who just are yes

00:47:00.110 --> 00:47:02.210
people cuz you're their friends and they agree

00:47:02.210 --> 00:47:04.010
with you and they say you're right you're right

00:47:04.010 --> 00:47:05.829
you're right but they don't challenge your thinking

00:47:05.829 --> 00:47:10.119
but it's much more. beneficial to have somebody

00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.260
who completely challenges everything I say, because

00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:18.599
words do matter. So I do not want to mislead

00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:22.780
or misconstrue an audience based upon a recollection

00:47:22.780 --> 00:47:27.199
of what was done, what Charlie said, or about

00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.860
the FAA. My whole point from my recollection

00:47:30.860 --> 00:47:35.960
is that I don't honestly care. what the color

00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:40.960
or the race or the religion or the gender of

00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:45.619
the pilot I don't think that has anything to

00:47:45.619 --> 00:47:50.420
do with putting the best pilot hiring the most

00:47:50.420 --> 00:47:55.119
qualified pilot but that should not race should

00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:59.340
not be a deciding factor in that you should look

00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:03.599
at who is the most qualified now all things being

00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:08.519
equal yes we could look at other um you know

00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:12.079
other factors i do believe that one of the reasons

00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:14.639
this country is better than any other country

00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.480
and i really do believe that is that we have

00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:19.960
diversity of opinions and we have diversity of

00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.719
thoughts and we have the freedom to share that

00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:28.280
and um when when we go to war When 9 -11 occurred,

00:48:29.099 --> 00:48:32.539
that was the closest we were as a country. Nobody

00:48:32.539 --> 00:48:36.300
cared who their neighbor was, what church they

00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:41.880
belonged to, or gender, race. We were all Americans.

00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:47.480
And we forget that because in this country, for

00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:54.860
some reason, a lot of the media, especially the

00:48:54.860 --> 00:48:59.869
sensationalized media, They just factor in splitting

00:48:59.869 --> 00:49:02.750
us up and putting us in groups and categories

00:49:02.750 --> 00:49:06.989
and this and that. And we can't get along because

00:49:06.989 --> 00:49:09.630
everybody has a different perspective and we

00:49:09.630 --> 00:49:11.769
have to exploit those perspectives and everyone

00:49:11.769 --> 00:49:17.610
has to come from a sense of wrong, being wronged.

00:49:17.610 --> 00:49:20.800
I'm Jewish, so I don't... Truly understand the

00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:24.639
event evangelical philosophy. I just understand

00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:27.440
the people behind it and you know their core

00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.280
heart and their message. I don't care if they're

00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.059
what their religion is as long as you're a good

00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:40.880
person. Open minded in a sense to make me feel

00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:44.440
that you know you may not agree with me or my

00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.599
faith, but you'll respect me just like I will

00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:51.420
respect you. And I don't think you really need

00:49:51.420 --> 00:49:56.059
to know and quote the Bible to know in the core

00:49:56.059 --> 00:50:01.980
of all of us is a soul. And that soul of righteousness

00:50:01.980 --> 00:50:06.960
is based upon being good to other people, being

00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:13.239
concerned and not judgmental. And realize that

00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:17.679
as you get older, 90 % of what you really thought

00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.269
you knew You'll realize you don't know. I mean

00:50:21.269 --> 00:50:24.190
the older I get the more I realize the less I

00:50:24.190 --> 00:50:29.550
know and It's that's why I love these conversations

00:50:29.550 --> 00:50:32.710
because You know put me to the fire. Tell me

00:50:32.710 --> 00:50:36.010
what I'm saying is wrong because if I just yes

00:50:36.010 --> 00:50:42.030
to death Then I really have no purpose because

00:50:42.030 --> 00:50:45.590
I'm not gonna evolve as a human being I mean,

00:50:45.630 --> 00:50:48.469
as a society, we all changed over the last 20

00:50:48.469 --> 00:50:50.969
years alone. I mean, one of the things I keep

00:50:50.969 --> 00:50:55.889
saying, 20 years ago, it was, I think it was

00:50:55.889 --> 00:50:58.349
the Defense of Marriage Act, it was Bill Clinton,

00:50:58.570 --> 00:51:03.090
right? That marriage was between a male and a

00:51:03.090 --> 00:51:06.570
female. And, you know, that was the consensus

00:51:06.570 --> 00:51:10.170
on both left and right. We have evolved tremendously

00:51:10.170 --> 00:51:13.969
from that. So, you know, without free speech

00:51:13.969 --> 00:51:17.630
and you know, the ability to share what we think,

00:51:18.050 --> 00:51:21.050
we really don't have a country. So, you know,

00:51:21.050 --> 00:51:25.670
I may think about aviation one way because from

00:51:25.670 --> 00:51:28.070
what I want is maybe a little different than

00:51:28.070 --> 00:51:30.789
what you want, but that doesn't mean you're right

00:51:30.789 --> 00:51:33.250
and I'm wrong or vice versa. It means that we

00:51:33.250 --> 00:51:36.070
should have a debate about it, a discussion about

00:51:36.070 --> 00:51:38.969
it. And what Charlie Kirk did best was he would

00:51:38.969 --> 00:51:42.110
have these debates and he would go into the lion's

00:51:42.110 --> 00:51:46.840
den and say, tell me why I'm wrong. Now, whether

00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.840
or not he ever changed his ways, I don't recall,

00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:53.659
but I can tell you from me, things that I thought

00:51:53.659 --> 00:51:58.920
I knew in the 20s that I was so for, I have a

00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:03.920
different viewpoint in my late 40s now. But if

00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:06.699
we take away our ability to share and convey

00:52:06.699 --> 00:52:10.550
that message to one another, We really don't

00:52:10.550 --> 00:52:13.170
have the ability to grow and expand as a nation

00:52:13.170 --> 00:52:17.750
or as an individual. And it's funny, as I keep

00:52:17.750 --> 00:52:21.050
saying, I'm in my late forties. I have kids that

00:52:21.050 --> 00:52:26.710
are 12 and 13, and sometimes as much as I think

00:52:26.710 --> 00:52:31.690
I know best, they prove me I'm wrong. I mean,

00:52:31.710 --> 00:52:34.969
it doesn't matter how old you are. It just matters

00:52:34.969 --> 00:52:38.070
how you're willing to take on an argument, look

00:52:38.070 --> 00:52:42.900
at it from all different avenues and not be so

00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:45.199
close -minded to think that there's only one

00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:49.139
way to answer that issue and that you're always

00:52:49.139 --> 00:52:54.579
going to be right. Attorney Turk, I have a question.

00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:56.980
I'm going to put my hand up. First of all, thank

00:52:56.980 --> 00:52:59.260
you so much and thank you for your time. Please

00:52:59.260 --> 00:53:01.360
let me know how much time you have available.

00:53:02.860 --> 00:53:05.579
Do you have another 10 minutes? Yeah, I have

00:53:05.579 --> 00:53:08.179
10 minutes. I have a 430 call to go on. It's

00:53:08.179 --> 00:53:11.909
405. Okay, very, very good. Oh, I'm on the East

00:53:11.909 --> 00:53:16.170
Coast and Daytona Beach. So Attorney Turk, what

00:53:16.170 --> 00:53:19.210
about the J -6ers? Are you representing any of

00:53:19.210 --> 00:53:22.769
them in the cases that were taking place? Yeah,

00:53:22.849 --> 00:53:29.309
we got a pardon from one of these J -6ers. His

00:53:29.309 --> 00:53:33.889
name is Dan Wilson. We helped him. So Dan Wilson

00:53:33.889 --> 00:53:38.269
got released after Trump. initiated the full

00:53:38.269 --> 00:53:42.829
part in. And one of the things that we have to

00:53:42.829 --> 00:53:46.469
take a step back in, and I don't think that people

00:53:46.469 --> 00:53:54.130
realize how sick and deranged this could be.

00:53:55.269 --> 00:53:58.469
So whether or not you're on one side or the other

00:53:58.469 --> 00:54:01.670
side of J6, I could tell you a lot, but we don't

00:54:01.670 --> 00:54:05.460
have enough time. So that you'll at least understand

00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:10.000
my perspective on this, okay? But with that being

00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.119
said, you have people who they knew were they

00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:19.619
gonna, they were ready talking to the DOJ and

00:54:19.619 --> 00:54:21.780
to their lawyers and they knew that they were

00:54:21.780 --> 00:54:26.000
gonna have to surrender at some point. And we

00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.639
had somebody who we worked very closely with,

00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:33.190
his name was Trentus Evans. He was... part of

00:54:33.190 --> 00:54:35.869
the charity now he's an advisor to the charity

00:54:35.869 --> 00:54:38.809
and he walked through the capital building with

00:54:38.809 --> 00:54:43.730
a megaphone and a bottle of fire whiskey or fireball

00:54:43.730 --> 00:54:49.530
and He was talking to the authorities he had

00:54:49.530 --> 00:54:52.949
an attorney and rather than him getting arrested

00:54:52.949 --> 00:54:56.750
like a you know a person who was not a risk threat

00:54:56.750 --> 00:55:01.570
of risk of leaving the country with father of

00:55:01.570 --> 00:55:05.760
two a husband, a family -oriented individual,

00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:09.500
very passionate about his country, our country.

00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:17.780
And he ended up having scores of police raiding

00:55:17.780 --> 00:55:21.480
his house with guns, with lasers focused on his

00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:25.340
children. Treated him like he was an animal.

00:55:26.780 --> 00:55:29.260
rather than have him just self -surrender, which

00:55:29.260 --> 00:55:31.159
he would have been willing to do and they could

00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:33.539
have easily. It's not a good use of resources.

00:55:34.300 --> 00:55:37.699
But this is not the America that we cherish.

00:55:38.579 --> 00:55:44.119
This is an authoritarian regime. So one of the

00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:49.179
things that we realized is that this was a politicized

00:55:49.179 --> 00:55:52.820
situation. Any which way you want to look at

00:55:52.820 --> 00:55:55.460
it. You may be against it, but it was politicized.

00:55:56.339 --> 00:55:59.400
And it was not an insurrection by the textbook

00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.500
definition. So yeah, we do represent a lot of

00:56:02.500 --> 00:56:04.380
people. One of them is this guy, Dan Wilson.

00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.440
So after you got pardoned. When they did one

00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.380
of those raids on his house, they found a gun

00:56:10.380 --> 00:56:14.500
in his house that was unauthorized. Don't support

00:56:14.500 --> 00:56:18.199
that. Don't promote it. But it was based upon

00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.599
this raid, which should not have happened in

00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:24.179
the first place. And the judge refused to let

00:56:24.179 --> 00:56:27.360
him out until we had an unconditional pardon,

00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.380
the second pardon for the same situation. A lot

00:56:32.380 --> 00:56:36.659
of people who I'm not condoning walking through

00:56:36.659 --> 00:56:39.780
the Capitol building on January 6th, but went

00:56:39.780 --> 00:56:42.820
there without a malicious intent, without a thought

00:56:42.820 --> 00:56:45.199
that they were overthrowing the government. A

00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:50.059
lot that the public is unaware of, but a lot

00:56:50.059 --> 00:56:51.880
of the people, the majority of the people who

00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.820
walked through there were thinking that they

00:56:54.820 --> 00:56:57.659
were just protesting, just peacefully protesting.

00:56:59.529 --> 00:57:01.750
All of a sudden, their livelihood has been taken

00:57:01.750 --> 00:57:05.150
away from them. They can't seek employment. Everything

00:57:05.150 --> 00:57:06.809
that they've known is taken away. They can't

00:57:06.809 --> 00:57:09.929
even open a bank account at certain banks. They

00:57:09.929 --> 00:57:12.849
were ostracized in their communities. They can't

00:57:12.849 --> 00:57:16.789
seek normal wages anymore. Just a lot of things

00:57:16.789 --> 00:57:19.329
that just don't add up. You have someone by the

00:57:19.329 --> 00:57:23.449
name of Ashley Bobbitt who got shot from what

00:57:23.449 --> 00:57:27.730
it looks like. He was a police officer. You know,

00:57:27.969 --> 00:57:31.130
we know that, but I mean, there's a lot of information

00:57:31.130 --> 00:57:33.250
that's just a little questionable, so I don't

00:57:33.250 --> 00:57:37.710
want to misquote, misstate. But why did she lose

00:57:37.710 --> 00:57:40.230
her life for protesting? She didn't have a weapon.

00:57:40.289 --> 00:57:42.530
She didn't have anything. But where is the outrage

00:57:42.530 --> 00:57:45.070
there? There is none. You know, a lot of things

00:57:45.070 --> 00:57:49.869
happened that day and a lot of things that we

00:57:49.869 --> 00:57:52.449
don't have the answers to. And so what we're

00:57:52.449 --> 00:57:56.030
trying to do is to understand this so it doesn't

00:57:56.030 --> 00:58:01.210
happen again. Some people, they have due process.

00:58:01.389 --> 00:58:04.449
There were people there that were there behind

00:58:04.449 --> 00:58:07.329
bars for months before they were even charged

00:58:07.329 --> 00:58:10.050
for a crime. There was somebody who wasn't even

00:58:10.050 --> 00:58:12.190
in the Capitol building that were helping out,

00:58:12.530 --> 00:58:16.090
that he was with a reporter from trying to think

00:58:16.090 --> 00:58:19.130
of it was rolling stone magazine i believe and

00:58:19.130 --> 00:58:21.550
uh... they got him for trespassing because he

00:58:21.550 --> 00:58:25.829
crossed the barrier unaware they put him in solitary

00:58:25.829 --> 00:58:29.170
confinement for seventeen days i mean that's

00:58:29.170 --> 00:58:32.269
not america that's not freedom i mean and these

00:58:32.269 --> 00:58:36.030
are the people that were uh... trying to protect

00:58:36.030 --> 00:58:41.309
and to to get them back to society And unfortunately,

00:58:41.329 --> 00:58:43.769
this is a side that people don't know because

00:58:43.769 --> 00:58:46.750
people's political aggression, and I say that

00:58:46.750 --> 00:58:49.909
correctly, political aggression, they believe

00:58:49.909 --> 00:58:51.849
what they want to believe and they have so much

00:58:51.849 --> 00:58:53.929
animosity towards the other side that they're

00:58:53.929 --> 00:58:56.610
not willing to even understand that the other

00:58:56.610 --> 00:58:58.909
side has a perspective and that person might

00:58:58.909 --> 00:59:02.269
be a friend under a different situation. I mean,

00:59:02.590 --> 00:59:04.769
do you feel like all the JN6 people was treated

00:59:04.769 --> 00:59:09.099
unfairly? I think the majority of them, but they're

00:59:09.099 --> 00:59:11.300
bad seeds. I think they were bad people. I think

00:59:11.300 --> 00:59:18.719
like in any protest or any type of situation

00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:23.079
like that, there are people there that I don't

00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:28.000
condone at all, but two runs don't make a right

00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.559
either. You think if Ashley Babbitt would have

00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:33.219
complied that she would still be living today?

00:59:33.730 --> 00:59:37.730
Have you I I don't think she really was not compliant.

00:59:37.750 --> 00:59:41.150
I've seen the video. It's just Looked like she

00:59:41.150 --> 00:59:44.309
was just shot randomly like it made no sense

00:59:44.309 --> 00:59:48.289
It must be two videos it must be two videos out

00:59:48.289 --> 00:59:50.769
there because she was warned several times and

00:59:50.769 --> 00:59:53.170
she kept going and when she stuck her head through

00:59:53.170 --> 00:59:55.969
that thing where all the senators and congressmen

00:59:55.969 --> 00:59:59.090
were That's when she was shot, but she was warned

00:59:59.090 --> 01:00:03.690
several times to stop and she wouldn't stop There

01:00:03.690 --> 01:00:06.409
are other videos that I don't know why they haven't

01:00:06.409 --> 01:00:08.670
been publicized, but if you've seen them you

01:00:08.670 --> 01:00:12.929
would understand my My perspective, but I really

01:00:12.929 --> 01:00:15.449
appreciate talking to you because you're you

01:00:15.449 --> 01:00:17.570
you you challenge everything I say and rightfully

01:00:17.570 --> 01:00:20.889
so so thank you But I don't think she should

01:00:20.889 --> 01:00:24.789
have she wasn't a threat imminent harm to anybody

01:00:24.789 --> 01:00:29.559
which would warrant justify losing your life

01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.880
well was she making a wise decision at that moment

01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.400
i would i wouldn't say that she was but i don't

01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:42.079
think uh you know you should have lost your life

01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.559
neither should have george floyd lost his life

01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:49.219
um but at the same time um you know you want

01:00:49.219 --> 01:00:51.380
don't want to take away the death of somebody

01:00:51.380 --> 01:00:57.449
by justifying the um the overreach or the stupidity

01:00:57.449 --> 01:01:00.170
of the law enforcement officer for taking that

01:01:00.170 --> 01:01:03.269
life. And I don't think neither of those lives

01:01:03.269 --> 01:01:05.889
should have been lost under those situations.

01:01:07.530 --> 01:01:09.710
I think it was lucky that more people didn't

01:01:09.710 --> 01:01:11.849
get killed that day besides the police officer

01:01:11.849 --> 01:01:14.949
that died and the ones that were brutalized,

01:01:15.369 --> 01:01:18.349
but it's amazing. There were more. There were

01:01:18.349 --> 01:01:22.880
five or six people that I think I'm sorry. I

01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:24.440
don't want to misquote. It might be three or

01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:27.039
four people. But there are other people that

01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:29.519
lost their lives there that nobody discusses.

01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:32.719
And it's wrong. But at the same time... Are you

01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:38.539
talking about protesters? I'm talking about protesters

01:01:38.539 --> 01:01:42.539
and law enforcement as well. And the people who

01:01:42.539 --> 01:01:46.260
got characterized as losing their life as law

01:01:46.260 --> 01:01:49.019
enforcement, one person two days later had a

01:01:49.019 --> 01:01:52.739
heart attack, but they put him in the list of

01:01:52.739 --> 01:01:55.320
people who lost their life to create the narrative

01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:59.280
that they wanted. And I'm not trying to support

01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.659
one political ideology over the next. I just

01:02:02.659 --> 01:02:06.679
think that we have been so split as a nation

01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:11.039
right now that it's hard to support something

01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:13.659
that doesn't support our political viewpoint.

01:02:14.460 --> 01:02:17.579
So everybody who's watching or watched January

01:02:17.579 --> 01:02:20.900
6th, if you find out that they're on the right,

01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:24.260
they're going to say this was complete nonsense.

01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:26.619
And if they're on the left, they think the opposite.

01:02:27.340 --> 01:02:32.239
But I'm just trying to get back to decency and

01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:37.000
civility and You know unity I mean I think this

01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:43.199
country. We were never so close as a nation as

01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:47.480
we were after 9 11 and then we were just as close

01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:53.099
probably when Obama got into office and. We are

01:02:53.099 --> 01:02:56.500
nowhere as close as you know that those times

01:02:56.500 --> 01:03:02.469
and I think it's a shame it really is. So Attorney

01:03:02.469 --> 01:03:04.969
Turk, thank you so much for being here. Thank

01:03:04.969 --> 01:03:08.969
you for, what I'd like to do is ask you to share

01:03:08.969 --> 01:03:12.909
how we can help you. I absolutely believe in

01:03:12.909 --> 01:03:16.280
our freedom to speak. I appreciate everyone on

01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:19.420
ChatterSocial and Jonathan Bing especially for

01:03:19.420 --> 01:03:22.320
allowing us to host this live in the room. Again,

01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.219
it was unexpected. And I know that you need a

01:03:25.219 --> 01:03:26.760
few more minutes before you go to your next meeting.

01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:29.719
But we'd love to have you on ChatterSocial. And

01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:32.320
it is a free app. And maybe you can use this

01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:34.340
sometimes when you're looking to figure out what

01:03:34.340 --> 01:03:36.440
the jurors are going to think or what someone

01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:39.000
to debate. You'll have plenty of both sides.

01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:42.179
In the meantime, how can we help you? Well, first

01:03:42.179 --> 01:03:45.519
of all, My charity is the American Rights Alliance.

01:03:45.659 --> 01:03:49.219
You look up americanrightsalliance .org. We are

01:03:49.219 --> 01:03:53.480
501 -T3. We're not, I keep saying this, we're

01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:56.980
not politically driven to just go and address

01:03:56.980 --> 01:04:00.079
one side or the other. We want a country that

01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:04.059
is united and has the ability to speak freely

01:04:04.059 --> 01:04:07.599
and not be told what to speak and to, you know.

01:04:07.900 --> 01:04:13.360
be controlled to share just one opinion. I love

01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.539
the audience. I love the conversation today.

01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:18.579
I wasn't expecting this at all. Just like you

01:04:18.579 --> 01:04:23.320
going on this, you know, my staff puts me in

01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:25.619
front of these audiences and sometimes I like

01:04:25.619 --> 01:04:28.139
to go in them cold and sometimes I'm playing

01:04:28.139 --> 01:04:31.179
softball. But today I feel like I was in a boxing

01:04:31.179 --> 01:04:34.780
ring and I enjoyed it. So I appreciate the diversity

01:04:34.780 --> 01:04:37.730
of opinion. appreciate the civility of it as

01:04:37.730 --> 01:04:42.130
well. And the knowledge base of those who went

01:04:42.130 --> 01:04:44.590
and spoke from the other side. So I thank the

01:04:44.590 --> 01:04:48.590
audience for putting me up to a challenge that

01:04:48.590 --> 01:04:51.929
I wasn't expecting. So I appreciate everyone's

01:04:51.929 --> 01:04:55.269
time. Unfortunately, I have to get to another

01:04:55.269 --> 01:05:00.130
meeting in 13 minutes, but thank you again. Thank

01:05:00.130 --> 01:05:01.710
you so much. It was great speaking with you.

01:05:02.010 --> 01:05:06.329
Thank you too. It was great speaking to you.

01:05:07.090 --> 01:05:09.349
I think you should come back on. We have very

01:05:09.349 --> 01:05:11.550
spirited debates. I think you'll like it. You'll

01:05:11.550 --> 01:05:13.690
learn. And we can learn from you, but we definitely

01:05:13.690 --> 01:05:17.150
need more people from. with different perspectives.

01:05:17.710 --> 01:05:19.349
So I think you should download the app and come

01:05:19.349 --> 01:05:22.650
to us to bake the news and wrestle with us sometime.

01:05:22.849 --> 01:05:25.730
That'd be great. I think I have to. It's only

01:05:25.730 --> 01:05:27.849
going to make me a stronger person. And if I

01:05:27.849 --> 01:05:29.670
practice what I preach, this is really where

01:05:29.670 --> 01:05:33.389
I need to go. I need to be challenged, not just

01:05:33.389 --> 01:05:36.230
by yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir, but people who

01:05:36.230 --> 01:05:38.989
say, no, sir, you're wrong. And let me show you

01:05:38.989 --> 01:05:41.769
why you're wrong. So I appreciate all of you

01:05:41.769 --> 01:05:45.059
and I look forward to doing this again. You got

01:05:45.059 --> 01:05:49.260
to pull up man. They may be Go ahead D. No, my

01:05:49.260 --> 01:05:51.139
bad. Go ahead. I must say they make they make

01:05:51.139 --> 01:05:53.659
their own law up in here So we need somebody

01:05:53.659 --> 01:06:01.099
to know the real thing No, no, no No, no, I enjoyed

01:06:01.099 --> 01:06:03.780
them being here. That's all and definitely different

01:06:03.780 --> 01:06:07.219
perspective. We have Cindy Stumple here as well

01:06:07.219 --> 01:06:09.659
She was here and I don't know. She's still here.

01:06:09.699 --> 01:06:14.949
Well, uh, yeah, I'm sorry. I missed it It would

01:06:14.949 --> 01:06:17.329
have been on the right side of this conversation,

01:06:17.409 --> 01:06:22.969
as we know. I needed somebody. I actually reached

01:06:22.969 --> 01:06:25.030
out to Grant Cardone. I think he was going to

01:06:25.030 --> 01:06:26.809
try to get in here as well. I reached out to

01:06:26.809 --> 01:06:28.650
Grant to have him come in here and listen to

01:06:28.650 --> 01:06:33.630
this as well. But 100%. I thought Grant would

01:06:33.630 --> 01:06:36.329
provide a lot more support to this as well. But

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I got Cindy in here, Cindy. I reached out to

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Cindy. Cindy is the top, one of the top luxury

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builders in the country and the top female luxury

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builder in the country. So Cindy and me attorney.

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Yeah, that's my attorney. That's my claim to

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fame. That's it. It's going on my headstone.

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Yeah. Listen, I hear you. I hear you went some

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rounds in here. Good luck to you. We all do it

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every single night, aren't we? Would you like

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to be us? Yes, seriously. Like I feel like I

01:07:07.150 --> 01:07:09.389
like I was playing softball and now I'm in a

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boxing ring, but I liked it. So I'll have to

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do it again. That's not true. You're going to

01:07:15.210 --> 01:07:16.349
you're going to hang up and you're going to roll

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your eyes and go, what about your schmigeggis

01:07:18.170 --> 01:07:22.429
and move on? Schmigeggis is my favorite word.

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I had a fish named schmigeggis once. That's my

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favorite word when I'm in this room. He fits

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right in. So thank you guys so much. I appreciate

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it. I know you need to go. Thank you very much.

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You were really wonderful. I really appreciate

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it. Thank you. Thank you all on Chandr Social.

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And I'm going to end this stream right now. And

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give me five stars. I'm just kidding. I sweated

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a lot during this. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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Thank you.