Private Podcasts: The Overlooked Tool That Builds Superfans

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Good morning podcasting, Morning
chat.

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Today is Tuesday, December 9th,
2025, and today should you start

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a private podcast DOG Podcast
Coach Cliff Ravenscraft joins us

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with lessons from 440 episodes
and clear guidance to help you

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choose the right path for your
show.

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And now give us about 30 seconds

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and we'll get things rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again, podcasting,
Morning chat.

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Thanks so much for being here.
I am your host Mark Ronnick and

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currently on stage with me my Co
hosts this morning producer

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Ashley Feller, Dr. Faye Cliff
Ravenscraft, our guest today.

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We also have Ralph E step, Sid
Meadows and BC babbles as well.

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Thanks so much to all of you for
being here today.

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Really looking forward to this
discussion.

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It feels like it's a it's been a
long time coming.

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We every so often over It's kind
of crazy to say over the years

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we've talked about trying to
find somebody to come join us

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and talk about private
podcasting and who better than

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Cliff Ravenscraft, the OGI call
him the OG podcast coach 'cause

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he's been doing this.
He's been coaching people way

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longer than I have and he's been
podcasting for just as long as I

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have.
Great to see him.

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And I've said this before.
Cliff is somebody that back in

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the day when I first started
podcasting, he, his website was

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the one I would go to podcast
answer man, I would go to his

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site all the time to get to get
some guidance.

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So it's kind of full circle in
some ways.

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So good morning to you, Cliff,
Welcome.

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Good morning, Mark.
I'm delighted and honored to be

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here, my friend.
I'm glad you are.

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And before we dig into today's
episode, I want to remind

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everyone about Thursday's
episode.

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It's our podcast evaluation
series.

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We've got a podcast from a from
APMC listener Mike Messner, also

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an Empowered Podcasting
Conference community member.

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He came for the first time this
past September, his show

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Carefree Highway Revisited, and
the show's focus is on the songs

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of Gordon Lightfoot, Canadian
singer-songwriter.

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So his target audience are fans
of folk rock in the in 1970s

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music generally.
So we're going to play that 30

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minute episode well, we're going
to play it privately and then

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play you some clips and talk
about it, share what he's doing.

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Well, things that he could work
on to improve, get even better.

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So we'll do that on Thursday the
11th.

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Also a reminder, if you are a
Podfest speaker, check your

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inbox because we sent out a
reminder yesterday afternoon.

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This afternoon, 1:00 PM Eastern,
we are doing a Podfest speaker

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networking call.
This is a exactly what it is.

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What I said, it's a networking
call.

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It's a way to get the speaker
community at Podfest a little

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closer as we head into January's
event.

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So check your inbox for that.
And lastly, I want to say that

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the EPC Empowered Podcasting
Conference Community Holiday

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Party is tonight.
It's a virtual event via Zoom,

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starts at 7:00 PM Eastern Time.
It's open to anyone who has come

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to any Empowered Podcasting
Conference event.

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It's also open to you, the PMC
community member.

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But the way you gotta get your
invite is to e-mail me.

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So go ahead and e-mail me if you
are interested in joining us

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tonight, 7:00 PM for our holiday
party, 7:00 PM Eastern.

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You can e-mail me at
markmarc@ironicmedia.com.

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And ironic is spelled with a CKI
was the last thing I was going

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to do today.
But we can't do it because Nick

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isn't here.
Nick got himself some new

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earbuds, and if you've been
following the podcasting morning

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chat for any extended period of
time, you know that Nick's audio

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sucks.
His headset switches back and

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forth from working to switching
to his phone speaker.

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At least that's what it sounds
like, and it happens multiple

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times as he's sharing whatever
valuable insight he's sharing.

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He's finally bit the bullet and
I think Black Friday got himself

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a good deal on a pair of
earbuds, but we can't test them

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today.
We'll have to wait until

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tomorrow.
He's got some early work

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commitments today.
So as I said, we have Cliff

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Ravenscraft here, the podcast
answer man, by the way, also his

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Clubhouse anniversary.
Cliff, how many years do you

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think you've been on Clubhouse
now?

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Since the very first year that
it like went, I'm sorry, the

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very first week that it went
majorly viral during the

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pandemic, so whenever that was.
Yeah, OK, so going on six years,

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I guess.
So yeah, it's got to be 6 years

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today.
Yeah, pretty crazy.

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And all right, so one thing that
Cliff told us is that yes, he

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has a private podcast and so
does BC Babble.

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So BC feel free to answer any of
the questions we ask Cliff that

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may pertain to you as well.
Would love to hear from you and

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what you're up to.
I know you have a newer private

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podcast, so I bet you you'll
probably be able to learn a few

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things from Cliff this morning.
And Cliff, I think the best

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place to start is a lot of
podcasters have heard the term

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private podcast, but aren't
quite sure really what it means.

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I mean, we have the basic
premise.

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Perhaps would you mind
describing it for us?

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For me, private podcast meant
creating a podcast that is not

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generally available to the
public.

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I don't think it has to have a
paywall, but specifically the

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one that I created did actually
have a paywall.

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So the idea is that this is an
RSS feed that only people who

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have been granted access to the
content will actually be able to

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receive that content via the RSS
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And so it does require a
database system that allows

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people who have an account where
they get a customized RSS feed

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for each individual member.
So each listener who is granted

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access has their own RSS feed.
That way, if at any point they

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either are no longer granted
access or if it's a paid

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situation and they stop their
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then all of a sudden that
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new content.
So again, only those who are

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granted access get access to the
private content.

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That is exactly how I would
describe it.

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OK, that makes a lot of sense.
What for?

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What would be a good reason for
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Why would we want to do that?
Well, let's start with What some

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organizations might want to have
is an internal podcast.

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So where they basically have a
sales training team, for

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example, and they instead of
wanting to do the old style

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conference calls via telephone,
they can now do high quality

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audio recordings, have those
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And then those who are not able
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they're doing sales calls, well,
they can actually listen later

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once that's released into the
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And this way, there's the
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those people who are on your
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material.
So that's one example.

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For me personally, I wanted to
create something that was a more

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intimate connection with my
audience, something that would

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allow me to have my subscribers
to this podcast feel like

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insiders.
So it's it's kind of like, hey,

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you're getting the lowdown on
the behind the scenes stuff

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that's going on in all of the
decisions when it comes to my

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personal life.
And the real kicker for most

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people was they were really
interested in why am I making

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the decisions that I'm making
from a business standpoint.

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So yeah, it was it was giving
them an opportunity to hear my

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unfiltered thinking.
I didn't have to do over.

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I didn't focus at all on content
production value.

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I could just hit record, go for
a walk and just talk.

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This is the IT is that
unpolished, unscripted thinking

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out loud opportunity for me to
just share sensitive and or

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experimental ideas.
And this is protected and only

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shared with those who I know who
are listening.

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Makes sense.
And I think that there are

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probably some people out there,
this would not apply to you, but

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there are probably some people
out there that are maybe still

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feeling a little uncomfortable
putting themselves out there

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publicly.
And maybe having something like

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a private podcast would make
them feel a little more

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comfortable speaking, knowing
directly who they're speaking

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to, knowing that it's not out
there for everyone to hear.

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It might give some people a
little more confidence in their

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podcasting journey.
And when you first launched, I

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mean, you shared a piece of some
of your goals, but what were

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your goals for this private
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And also, we didn't really even
mention the name of it, so you

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can share that too.
But what were you trying to

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create that didn't fit into a
public show?

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OK So what was going on is I
started this in November 2018.

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I had just finished my 1st
annual conference called the

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Free The Dream Conference.
As a result of doing that

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conference we had major success
on every front except for one

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and that was financially.
We had hundreds of people from

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all over the world come to this
event.

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It was incredible.
However, I lost $38,000 as a

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result of doing that event that
first year.

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And not only did I lose the
$38,000, but during the process

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of nine months of building up
and marketing that event, I, I

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had lost AI had not lost, but I
had a number of people who were

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in my main continuity program
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They had reached their renewal
time and it's an option to renew

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and some of them did not renew.
And because I was marketing this

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conference for the very first
time, I was not marketing those

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empty seats.
I thought no big deal.

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I'm going to totally make up for
any missed proper opportunity as

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far as income.
I'm going to make all all of

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that up on the profit of this
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But I did not make a profit on
the conference.

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And so now I'm $38,000 in the
hole.

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And I think out loud, I'm a
verbal processor.

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And I would, I'm thinking, man,
there's going to be a ton of

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people who I know who are on the
entrepreneurial path who would

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absolutely love to hear my day
by day thoughts and action

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plans.
And then the results that I get

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from those actions.
They would love to hear how I'm

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getting myself out of a $38,000
hole within 30 days.

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I did not want that to be a part
of my main podcast, the Cliff

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Ravenscraft Show, cause I am a
firm believer that every episode

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of every podcast is somebody's
first time ever hearing about

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you.
And it doesn't make a great

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first impression to talk about
the fact that, hey, I'm a

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business strategy and mindset
coach.

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And by the way, I'm currently
$38,000 in the hole trying to

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figure my way out of it.
As your first episode.

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Yeah.
I hear you.

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So what was that first episode?
That first episode was about

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that.
It was like, hey, I got you.

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I, I just lost $38,000 and
here's how it happened.

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And this is what I'm going to do
about it.

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And I shared the journey day by
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That's very cool.
Michael in the chat here says.

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I guess a subscription podcast
is a private podcast, but not

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all private podcasts are
subscription podcasts.

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So I think what he's saying is
those subscription podcasts,

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like on Apple podcast, when you
subscribe nowadays, that

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terminology means you're
actually paying for the content.

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Technically speaking, I guess
you could pull off a private

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subscription podcast through No,
no, no, no, no, you couldn't.

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Nope, you couldn't do what I'm
what I would want to do because

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in iTunes, if you have a premium
subscription there and people

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can buy that, you can't choose
who does and does not buy,

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right?
And that.

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And so for to answer that
question for what I wanted to

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create with Train with Cliff, I
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through the Apple subscription
model because the idea of the

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Apple subscription model is
people are paying for premium

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content.
So it's an additional revenue

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stream.
I did this a long time ago

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before Apple did that.
I had what was called gspn.tv

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Plus membership.
It also technically was private

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content as well.
So we had all of these

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entertainment based television
shows or podcast where we did

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commentary on television shows
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on a weekly basis.
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bonus episodes and anybody who
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this bonus content in it.
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Of course that was manual before
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have been a great place because
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wants this extra bonus content,
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delivered.
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shut that down had Apple had it
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the butt to manage before there
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Yeah, I think a lot of people
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that was back in the day for
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actually charge people for
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It was not easy as far as
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And by the way, Tim in the chat
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that is not discoverable on
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And I would say, yeah, that is a
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private podcast is all about.
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people don't see publicly in
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Now, people on stage have
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So I'm going to 1st go to BC
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Ralph.
Go ahead BC.

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Also, I'm going to quickly say
to the point of private podcasts

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not being subscribed, I was
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do it through YouTube and just
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that could count.
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lot of those other caveats may
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whatnot, and people can still
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So that's not quite.
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YouTube, anybody can access it
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The private RSS feed makes it a
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share.
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Cliff?
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Technically the person who paid
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because it doesn't have to be
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access to the content they could
download the MP file and share

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it.
Probably not as convenient as

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sharing a link to an unlisted
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have some form of delivery of
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have a new unlisted video to
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Right.
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like pitched like maybe like a
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that, like build up ACRM through
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you do have some kind of
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Let me just say one thing
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If you do all of that
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newsletter that contains video.
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That's helpful.
Thank you.

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audience.
Suzie May, one of our podcast

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evaluations, I believe we that
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memory serves me.
It's great to have you here,

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Suzie.
Thank you for being here.

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Glad that you're here.
After the evaluation, some of us

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kind of worrying behind the
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evaluation, how are they going
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How are they going to take it?
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and I know 'cause we had a brief
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here.
Sounds like you were very happy

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with your evaluation and I'm
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And yeah, she says in the chat
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Thank you for the feedback.
It was really helpful.

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Cool.
Well, we're doing it again this

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Thursday.
Not your show, but come join us,

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Susie, if you want to learn from
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Now, Ralph, you had something as
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Go for it.
My question for you, Cliff, is

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with my shows.
What I did recently is I've

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launched A Patreon site for each
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my end game is to try to bring
people into a Patreon community.

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I heard you mention the word
Patreon.

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So do you see that as a good
delivery platform for a private

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podcast?
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monetization in the traditional
models is you've got to have

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such a huge audience that it
makes it almost impossible to

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get to that point.
So as I'm launching a new show

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that actually kicks off today,
my idea is to try to drive

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people to the Patreon so that
they can basically get content

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that they're willing to pay for.
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thought that was a good plan.
I think Patreon is an incredibly

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powerful platform, and for
anyone who's starting out for

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the first time with a private
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the Patreon.
Now if you get to the place

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You get so popular and you're
making so much income from

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Patreon that the amount that
they take as far as their

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Commission cut is kind of
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Then you could look at other
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community that has followed you
to Patreon would follow you to

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another platform.
The other reason why you might

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want to consider something other
than Patreon down the road is if

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you determine that, wow, the
content that I want to deliver

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privately is worth a lot more
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So for example, I've been I've
known people who have had

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private podcasts that are $1000
a month and you don't want $1000

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a month platform or Patreon
taking a percentage of $1000 a

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month.
Thank you, Cliff.

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And I think Ashley has something
and then we're going to go back

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to BC.
Go ahead, Ashley.

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My question is, is it possible
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your own website?
And I don't mean just link the

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RSS feed or embedded player.
I mean like it actually.

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Comes from your website.
Is that a thing people do?

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It's something that I hand coded
back in 2007.

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It was the most painful
experience on the planet.

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I had to host my own PHP
databases.

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I had security flaws left and
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It took me countless hours every
week that Apple and other

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podcast directories did a little
bit of things because I

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basically what we did is we
embedded different codes inside

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of the RSS feed so that it would
read.

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It was a nightmare.
Now, I will say that I haven't

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looked into hosting it on my
own, let's say, WordPress

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website in quite some time.
There may be some premium

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podcast feed plugins that will
do this for you.

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So I don't know the answer of
whether or not they're out there

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or not.
Now I use Kajabi and Kajabi is

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in a, a platform that also has
the ability for one of your

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products to be a podcast and you
can choose to make that a

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premium only podcast.
And I, I happen to get into

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Kajabi when they first were in
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And so I have a lifetime plan
and they gave, I don't think

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that they knew what they were
doing, but they gave me a plan

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that had an unlimited number of
products.

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So currently I host 55 different
podcast feeds off of Kajabi.

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And I don't think that's what
they intended, but there are

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ways that it can be done.
And if there's not a plugin out

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there, which I'm sure by now
there has to be, but if there's

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not, you could hire a developer
to build a customized private

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podcast only feed system for
your WordPress website.

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And Ashley's follow up is so you
can marry your private podcast

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with your course in Kajabi.
Yes.

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So basically I created, I can
create an offer and when you get

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access to my quote, UN quote,
let's say building an online

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business course, one of the
benefits is that you're also

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granted access to the product
called Trading with Cliff Audio

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Journal.
I could definitely do that.

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Very cool.
And did anyone else fall over

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when Cliff said 55 RSS feeds?
Cliff?

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So these are just like every
podcast you've ever hosted in

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your 20 year career.
Absolutely.

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So I have a lot of different
shows and they're every single

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one of those 55 shows are still
getting at least hundreds of

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downloads a month.
Even, let's say the Virtual

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Assistant podcast, which hasn't
had a new episode since December

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2012, gets about 300 to 500
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That's so cool.
Speaking of releasing episodes,

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how often did you release
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How and how did you balance the
the cadence with everything else

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that you were publishing?
People could pay as little as

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$10 a month and as much as $100
a month, and I had some people

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who paid much higher monthly
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And what my promise is that you
will get at least one behind the

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scenes episode of The Train with
Cliff Audio Journal per week,

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every single week.
Now, sometimes I published 1:00

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every single day of the week,
and there were a handful of

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times where I recorded more than
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day.
So consistency is just as key in

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a private podcast then?
It depends on what your promise

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is to the person who subscribed.
OK.

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So yeah.
So do you think then an

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audience, a private podcast
audience is going to be more

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flexible as long as they know
upfront, if I come in with my

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private podcast and say, you
know what, my promise is you're

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going to get at least three
episodes a month if I just leave

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it there, You think that the
audience is tolerant of that?

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The thing is, is you have to
test it all out.

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It depends on how you
communicate, what people's

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perceptions are of what you mean
by that and all these other

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things.
But I just, I just want to say

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have an open mind.
I could actually see myself

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creating a private podcast feed
that I make no commitment at all

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as to the frequency of the show.
But to say that, hey, over the

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next 12 months, I anticipate
having a conversation with these

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4 individuals.
I don't know when they will

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happen, but when they do, it's
going to drop and it will be

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only available exclusively here.
And by the way, to, to subscribe

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to this feed, it is, you know,
$250.

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So go ahead and plop it down.
And as I have those

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conversations, I will drop them
in here.

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I mean, I'm just making stuff
up, but that's my business

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model.
It's called the MSU business

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model.
Make stuff up.

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I.
Like that BC did you want to ask

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something?
Pitched another option for those

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who are interested in in pair of
podcasting, one that I came

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across recently and so far I've
loved it for it's simplicity.

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So I've been hosting mine on
Substack, which I came aware of

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a few weeks ago and I'm
currently in an accelerator

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where someone else told me that
that's where they house theirs.

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Substack is great for, I think
also for anyone who's a Blogger

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who is a writer, you can set
yours up to look very much like

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A blog or a newsletter or a
newspaper kind of distribution

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system.
The RSS feed for this one is is

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has a couple of interesting
caveats.

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So once you launch, and mine
does have a pay window of 5

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bucks, but it's you can search
it automatically on Spotify.

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But the second you try to listen
to it, you do have to connect to

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your sub stack and you do have
to become a paid member.

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But as far as distributing to
other platforms, it does

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distribute to Apple Podcasts,
YouTube Music, YouTube Podcasts,

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Pocket Casts and Overcast.
You have to.

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Once you subscribe, you will get
a special RSS feed that you then

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input into those streaming
services.

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Then you can see the podcast and
then access the content.

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That makes sense.
Private RSS feeds have been

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going on for a long time now.
And yeah, that's that's one of

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the nice things about them is
you do have the ability to add

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them to some of these, most of
these podcast players like

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Apple, Spotify, and even some of
the quote UN quote smaller ones

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out there too.
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Oh, and Tim asks in the chat.
Legal question here.

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With Europe Union protecting
privacy, does that extend to

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private podcasts?
I'm interested in getting

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detailed stats to see the reach
for our employees overseas.

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Any ideas on that Cliff?
I'm definitely not a lawyer, I

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don't play one on television,
but my best guess if you're

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interested is protecting the
privacy of individuals, whether

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they're paid or public, I think
is in the best interest of your

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community.
Yeah.

452
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,480
And I would advise maybe go
check in with Gordon Firemark

453
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,160
and see if he could help you
with that question.

454
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,960
I think he probably would know
better than us because like

455
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,200
Cliff said, neither of us play a
lawyer on a podcast or TV.

456
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,160
OK, let's talk a little bit
about challenges.

457
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,080
And ultimately, you did decide
to shut down too, so we'll go

458
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,960
into that as well.
You were running this private

459
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,880
podcast first.
I think you said seven years.

460
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,400
That's a long commitment.
So what were some surprises,

461
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,800
positive or challenging, that
came along the way for you,

462
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,880
Cliff?
I don't know that I actually

463
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,080
found many challenges at all,
but the reason why I ended up

464
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,720
shutting it down is there was a
point in my journey where I'm

465
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:26,520
like, wow, I, I am sharing so
much valuable content behind the

466
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:32,200
scenes that could be public.
And the only challenge that I

467
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,720
ran into is that with the behind
the scenes podcast, the Train

468
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,280
with Cliff Audio Journal, the
production value, there was no

469
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,960
promise at all to the production
value.

470
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,080
So I could literally record on
my phone while I'm out walking

471
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,000
if I want with the built in
microphone with the wind

472
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,280
blowing.
That's the if there's anything

473
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,280
there was the challenge of, you
know, the some of that content,

474
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,840
which was incredibly powerful
and and like profound.

475
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,040
I mean, people are just like
eating this up.

476
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,560
It wasn't valuable.
The con, the production value

477
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,840
wasn't as valuable, wasn't high
enough for the main public

478
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,840
podcast content, But then all of
a sudden I'm like, well, gosh,

479
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,960
if I just take that episode,
transcribe it, outline it, and

480
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,760
then go and re record this with
high production value, I'm going

481
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,920
to go and create this as a
public episode.

482
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,200
And so I began doing that very
frequently.

483
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,280
And at some point I'm like, why
am I doubling all of this?

484
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,360
I'm the amount of money that I'm
bringing in from this monthly

485
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:37,360
subscription doesn't, it just
doesn't seem to have a good

486
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,400
return on investment.
And so over time, I decided to

487
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,400
shut down the private podcast.
I've pretty much shared

488
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,800
everything I think I want to
share with you guys.

489
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,480
I think I'm ready to move on to
some other things now.

490
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,120
And by the way, if you want to
hear more of Cliff, you can

491
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,080
check out his show that's
returning after a hiatus, not

492
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,200
the private podcast, but the
public podcast, the one that I

493
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,040
know know him from most podcast
answer man.

494
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,920
So check out Podcast Answer
man.com For more information.

495
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,160
And when or it has it already
relaunched Cliff?

496
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,160
It is relaunching today, so
there there are 474 episodes

497
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,360
currently in the feed.
I think 39 of those are episodes

498
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,840
of the Cliff Ravenscraft show
that were fully devoted to

499
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,120
podcasting since I went on
hiatus.

500
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,520
But there are 474 episodes in
there now, and episode 475 will

501
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,960
drop probably by the end of
today, Tuesday, December 9th.

502
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,960
And it is going to be a doozy.
I'm going to be talking about

503
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,720
the.
Roadcaster killer.

504
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,680
Oh the roadcaster killer.
The roadcaster killer.

505
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,160
Can we get any more hints than
that?

506
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,000
Nope, we have to tune into
episode 475.

507
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,040
OK, alright, and I'm not
kidding, I have, I have two of

508
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,280
the original Roadcaster Pro
units.

509
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,600
I have a Roadcaster Pro 2
sitting right here on my desk

510
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,160
and it is unplugged, turned off
and not being used right now.

511
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,640
Wow, wow, I would have guessed
you were using it.

512
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,640
What are you using 'cause you
sound, you sound?

513
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760
Yeah, I'm using, I am using the
Roadcaster Killer, which you can

514
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:12,200
learn about in episode 475 at
podcastanswerman.com Leader.

515
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,080
See that?
I got a hint out of it anyway,

516
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,480
so now we know it.
It's something that's replacing

517
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,480
the roadcaster for Cliff and he
thinks for others as well down

518
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,280
the road.
OK, cool.

519
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,240
But.
Let's just put it this way,

520
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,960
somebody asked.
In this episode I answer 13

521
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,600
questions from people in my
community and the last one was.

522
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,560
So now I'm asking myself, do I
really need one of these?

523
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,760
And the answer to that question
is no, you need to.

524
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,640
All right, I will definitely
check that out and we will put a

525
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,240
link to the show notes podcast
answer man.com or just go to

526
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,160
cliffravenscraft.com to learn
more.

527
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,920
Dr. Do you have something?
Cliff, I would like to know if

528
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:58,160
the marketing for a private
podcast, how it differs from a

529
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,200
public podcast and if it
differs?

530
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,200
Yes, it definitely would differ
from a public podcast because

531
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,760
with the public podcast, the
marketing that I would do is I

532
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,840
would get on other people's
shows as a guest.

533
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,360
And I would say, hey, before you
go any further, you're already

534
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,480
listening probably in a podcast
app right now.

535
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,720
Just go ahead and hit the search
bar, type in this keyword and

536
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,720
you'll pull up my podcast.
Go subscribe to it right now and

537
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,400
make sure you download episode
number or such and such.

538
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,080
That would be the kind of
marketing that I would do for

539
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,560
the public podcast.
That's not something I would

540
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,160
typically do for my private
podcast.

541
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,120
My private podcast is more along
the lines of me communicating

542
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,480
either to my existing audience
who are already subscribed to my

543
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,680
show and explaining the value of
this additional bonus content

544
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,160
and or creating a sales page,
which basically describes the

545
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,080
overall essence of what this
this is.

546
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,160
And you really want to sell the
value of this to somebody who

547
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,640
may not already be a follower of
yours or a subscriber to your

548
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,600
public podcast.
So it does, it does require a

549
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:16,160
bit of marketing and sales to
get somebody to go to a premium

550
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,600
podcast compared to a public
podcast which it's it's just

551
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,120
pushing a button.
Do you like give them a little

552
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,960
tease of what's in there so they
would have some inkling of what

553
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,360
is what's in store, what they
get for their money?

554
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,720
Absolutely.
So one of the things that I've

555
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,920
done over the years with the
Train with Cliff Audio Journal,

556
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,480
occasionally I'll record an
episode.

557
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,720
I'm like, Oh my gosh, this
episode right here is worth

558
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,600
$5000.
I mean, and that's not

559
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,400
hyperbole.
This episode alone, this one

560
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,040
private podcast episode is worth
$5000.

561
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,720
And as soon as I have that
feeling, I immediately go into

562
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,800
my recorder and say, hey
everybody, Cliff Ravens Craft

563
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,800
here with another episode of the
Cliff Ravens Craft Show.

564
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,360
Today I'm going to share with
you a little behind the scenes

565
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,680
action of what happens in my
Train with Cliff Audio Journal

566
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,640
podcast.
This is an example of the type

567
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,680
of content that is only
available to premium subscribers

568
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,080
of the Train with Cliff Audio
Journal.

569
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,480
Here's what you're going to
hear.

570
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,520
Here's what I hope you'll take
away.

571
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,960
Here's that episode right now.
And then at the end, I'll put a

572
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,560
big, huge call to action for
them to go to subscribe to get

573
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,480
access to more of this.
And so you give them the whole

574
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,440
episode.
I'd give them the whole thing.

575
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,320
Oh.
I see.

576
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,000
Good.
Thank you so much.

577
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,160
And Gene in the chat says that
he already knows what the road

578
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,400
caster killer is 'cause he just
saw your YouTube video three

579
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,560
hours ago.
And nice.

580
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,920
All right, Gene.
Don't tell though.

581
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,440
Even though I want you to don't
tell.

582
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,000
I'll go listen like a good
listener.

583
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,560
And let's go to Sid, who I
believe has a question.

584
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,560
Go ahead, Sid.
My question is, I'm a podcaster.

585
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,000
I have an existing audience of a
couple 100 people that TuneIn

586
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,960
every week.
Why would I want to create a

587
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,360
private podcast and what would
it?

588
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,680
What would I like?
What would the purpose of it be

589
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,000
or what would I want to share
with it?

590
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,239
I'm trying to get my arm.
I mean, I understand what a

591
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,880
private podcast is, what I'm
trying to get my arms rounded.

592
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,480
What would I give to my audience
that I'm not already giving

593
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,600
them?
Sid, the first thing that comes

594
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,880
to my mind and what comes up for
me as I hear that is I wouldn't

595
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,159
create a private podcast unless
you already have something

596
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,679
burning in you that you know you
want to deliver, but you don't

597
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,639
want to deliver via the podcast
feed you already have.

598
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:43,080
So if you're So what I'm saying,
I don't think that a, I don't

599
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,120
think that a private podcast
should be a solution to a

600
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,880
problem you're not already
experiencing.

601
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,080
And so I would say that if you
don't know the answer to that

602
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,719
question already for yourself,
you don't need a private

603
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,680
podcast.
And that is actually on point,

604
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,520
so thank you for sharing that
and being honest.

605
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,680
I love the idea of it,
especially love the idea of it

606
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,480
for businesses to share, like
the status of what's happening

607
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,920
in the business or business
update for their employees and

608
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,360
things of that nature.
I'm working on a community, you

609
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,480
know, something to bring in a
low cost community feature for

610
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,920
my podcast in 2026.
And I've been talking to a lot

611
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,080
of my listeners about what would
they pay $20.00 a month for,

612
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,440
just to try to get an idea
because I want to be able to

613
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,840
have a more intimate
relationship with them.

614
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,680
And I think the community
platform is going to be that.

615
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,560
And one of the things that
they've given me feedback on is

616
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,680
they really don't have time to
consume more content.

617
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,560
They don't want more content,
which is something I think it's

618
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,480
really important.
Your points are well taken.

619
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,640
So thank you for sharing that,
Cliff.

620
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,280
My pleasure.
Just throwing it out there for

621
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,480
looking at it from the other
side where, OK, what what are

622
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,040
some ideas Sid could do for a
private podcast?

623
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,240
The first thing that came to
mind, maybe it's because of what

624
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:57,920
Cliff shared, is you're starting
a new business with a couple of

625
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,360
partners.
Maybe you would share behind the

626
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,400
scenes with your audience of
that process like that.

627
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,040
If that's something that calls
to you, if that's something that

628
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,200
you think is needed, that could
be a direction you may want to

629
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,480
go.
That's a great point, Mark, and

630
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,240
you know, something that could
help to benefit the

631
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:15,560
collaborative network, our new
business.

632
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,480
But the only thing that like has
come up for me is something

633
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,640
similar to Cliff show, ask the,
you know, podcast Answer Man is

634
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,560
just like ask Sid because I get
a ton of questions from people

635
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,320
on a regular basis, whether
e-mail or phone calls and they

636
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,400
ask my opinion about this or
this or that.

637
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,760
And I could take that questions
and I could turn those questions

638
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,640
into, you know, quick little
Nuggets of information and share

639
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,080
privately for people who want to
pay.

640
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,000
So it's kind of like you get my
business advisory service for $5

641
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,680
a month or something.
Yeah, exactly.

642
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,960
And if that's something that
people are often doing, yeah,

643
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,040
that's a great use of those
questions and your answers.

644
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,520
I think that's a cool idea.
BCI think you had something?

645
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,280
Go for it.
Yeah.

646
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,760
But granted, I think you and
Cliff kind of come, come, come

647
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,960
by and already kind of hit this.
But going off a little, Cliff

648
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,880
said, you know, podcast should
always be purpose driven.

649
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,440
You want to make sure that
there's something you already

650
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,640
want to comment on our converse
about before creating a show.

651
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,080
But also as human beings, we're
not or even as podcasters, we're

652
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,120
not restricted to one convoy
that we believe should be

653
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,760
happening.
So if you kind of what Mark and

654
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,800
Cliff were saying, if you feel
there's another conversation

655
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,640
that should be happening and it
happens to align with, let's say

656
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,200
you're building a business.
For me, I do want to build my

657
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,240
podcasting into a business.
And so for me, that's a great

658
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:37,040
chance to provide a little extra
something for parts of my

659
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,240
audience who want to help me in
building that.

660
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:42,720
And I'll even begin coupling the
private podcast with other

661
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,760
exclusive things as well.
Polls on helping to decide

662
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,480
future format changes or
inviting people to live

663
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,720
recordings of my main podcast,
which I don't currently do.

664
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,960
Just kind of like keeping in
mind those opportunities of

665
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,720
correlation between whether you
feel there should there's

666
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,760
another way you want, another
idea you want to express, and if

667
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,360
it aligns with something
productive in your own life.

668
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,760
Thank you BC and let me check
in.

669
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,200
David here in the chat said that
it doesn't have to be too in

670
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,120
depth.
But as far as a private podcast

671
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,360
for a business without having to
spend $50,000 on a network but

672
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,040
still needing to keep the
content within the walls of the

673
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,680
company, do you have any
recommendations?

674
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,880
Factoring asso enterprise
platform?

675
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,360
There are enterprise solutions,
I can't remember the names of

676
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,600
them.
I think premium cast might have

677
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,760
been out there.
There are some platforms that

678
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:45,680
are designed to be industry
specific and not industry

679
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,560
specific, but corporate specific
internal podcasts.

680
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,440
So there are solutions out there
that have a little bit more

681
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,880
product protection built in with
that in mind, whereas Patreon

682
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,720
isn't really designed to try to
keep and protect your industry

683
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:04,440
insider secrets, if you know
what I mean.

684
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,920
Thank you, Cliff, and you've
answered some of this, but I

685
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,680
want to come back to it just to
see if there's anything else.

686
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,800
For creators who are interested
in offering a private podcast,

687
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,720
what questions should they ask
themselves before diving in?

688
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:20,920
And obviously, the big one was,
if you don't know why you need

689
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,040
one, you don't need one at all.
So first ask yourself, do you

690
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,880
need one?
But are there other questions

691
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,480
that we should be asking?
Here's some questions off the

692
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:34,200
top of my head is am I going to
charge for it or do I want to

693
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,880
let anybody have access to it
but still have the ability to

694
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,480
choose who does and does not?
So again, what the question is,

695
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,200
is why am I not publishing this
publicly that that you have to

696
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,840
have the answer to that.
Why?

697
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,880
Why am I not making this freely
available to anyone and everyone

698
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,720
on the planet who desires to hit
the subscribe button?

699
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,280
Have an answer to that question
and then ask yourself, what am I

700
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,320
actually going to deliver?
What's the value that is being

701
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,560
given here that makes sense for
this not to be publicly

702
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,400
available?
So I would have that the answer

703
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,160
to those two questions.
And then you want to ask

704
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,040
yourself, what is the promise
that I'm going to make to the

705
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,840
audience if they choose to, for
example, pay for this private

706
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,560
access podcast?
Then what is my commitment as

707
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,160
far as the content or the
frequency?

708
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,240
What is my commitment as it
comes to the production value?

709
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,960
You'd want to have answers to
all of those questions, I think.

710
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,120
What about the practices?
Any other practices that's

711
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,560
helped you keep your private
subscribers engaged over the

712
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,400
long term?
Definitely invite them to ask

713
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,080
questions and submit them to you
and respond to them and call

714
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,520
them by name.
That's something that I do in my

715
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,520
public podcast, but it's
something that is even, I think,

716
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:59,360
more valuable in that private
podcast, especially when those

717
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,400
people get to know each other.
If you use a platform like

718
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,800
Patreon, there's a little bit of
a community aspect that's built

719
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,560
into their app system, their
ecosystem that allows people to

720
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,440
interact and engage with one
another.

721
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,000
One of the things that Patreon
allows you to do is even host a

722
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,040
Discord server.
So not only when somebody

723
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,760
becomes a paid subscriber, they
get access to a private podcast

724
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,080
feed, but they also get they get
access to a Discord server

725
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,280
that's tied to their actual
subscription.

726
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,080
And so they can, you can manage
a community and engagement with

727
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,760
not only you directly with them,
but you can facilitate that

728
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,600
community among each other.
And whether or not you use

729
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,680
Discord or some other platform,
it doesn't matter.

730
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,440
But I, I think really getting in
and engaging directly with those

731
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,600
people, getting them plugged
into each other.

732
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,480
And when they're plugged into
each other and they know that

733
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,560
they're plugged into each other,
there's nothing more pleasing to

734
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,680
the ear than hearing your own
name.

735
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,200
I'm sure you've heard that
before.

736
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,000
And so every time you share
their name, they're like, they

737
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,600
perk up.
It's like, oh man, this is

738
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,920
amazing.
And of course they wouldn't want

739
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,360
to go months with out being
subscribed and not knowing

740
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,120
whether or not their name is
being said.

741
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,760
Yeah, I think our audience has
heard me say that multiple times

742
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,400
as soon as recently I think as
this week or last week.

743
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,280
As far as make sure you're
saying you're the names of your

744
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,640
audience, Cliff, is there a
lesson from your private podcast

745
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,920
journey that still influences
the way you create or

746
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,600
communicate today?
I would say that there is an

747
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,480
there is a ton of value in
sharing your heart authentically

748
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,880
and transparently.
That especially given today in

749
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,120
the overly scripted AI content
creating world that we seem to

750
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,760
be stuck in in this season of
life, lowering your production

751
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,920
value can almost be of benefit
in your public content today.

752
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,640
That does feel freeing, just
hearing the idea of like, you

753
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,600
don't have to worry as much
about your audio quality.

754
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,840
It can be more of an on the go
thing.

755
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,720
If you're on the go and you only
got your phone to work with and

756
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,720
that's how you're going to
record, your private audience

757
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:19,440
will be a little more accepting
of that.

758
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:20,960
That's at least what I'm
hearing.

759
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,280
I do want to say I'm an audio
snob.

760
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,280
So I will say that I'm not
suggesting that my audio quality

761
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,440
should be.
I think that it's OK for that to

762
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,280
slack because I because I don't
think that that's the case, but

763
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,760
I'm talking about production
value.

764
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:42,800
Like for me, just editing out
all of the umms and the times

765
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,440
when I restate something over
and over again, it's there's a

766
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,520
lot of editing.
Like for example, episode 475 of

767
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,800
the Cliff Ravens.
I'm sorry of the podcast answer,

768
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,200
man.
It's going to sound perfect

769
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,920
because I've been working on
this one episode for about 9

770
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,280
hours and it's so far it's only
45 minutes in length and I've

771
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,440
still got 15 more minutes of
content to put in it.

772
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,680
So this thing is high production
value.

773
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,040
But what I know is that not
every episode's going to get

774
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,480
this layer of treatment.
This one is because it's going

775
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,840
to be the most, it's going to be
the most widely listened to

776
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,960
episode for the next 5 to 10
years.

777
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,200
And so I'm going over and above
here, but the next episode

778
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,240
beyond it will probably have
lots of mistakes in it that will

779
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,360
not get it out edited out.
And it will be intentional that

780
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,600
they don't get edited out.
What makes you say that that

781
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,080
episode Come In Now or that came
out is going to be the most

782
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,560
listened to over the course of
the next 5 to 10 years?

783
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,040
I helped Amy Porterfield
launcher podcast.

784
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,200
I helped Pat Flynn launch his
podcast.

785
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,200
I helped Michael Hyatt launch
his podcast.

786
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,160
I helped John Lee Dumas launch
his podcast.

787
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,440
Those four people are going to
be telling the world about my

788
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,200
relaunch.
They will link to it and that

789
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,240
alone will reach about 5 million
people.

790
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,800
Love it, love it.
And he taught me too, in many

791
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,760
ways.
Go ahead.

792
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,440
Sir, back to a little bit of my
question.

793
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,680
So Cliff, I have a course that I
taught live.

794
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,960
It's designed specifically for
new people in the office

795
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,680
furniture industry and which is
a really hard industry to learn

796
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,720
and it's really hard to attract
new people.

797
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,240
And part of the reason is it's
so complicated.

798
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:23,240
As I've been listening to this,
I'm just wondering about like

799
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:27,640
taking that course content along
with taking questions that

800
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,520
people ask me about in the
industry and turning it into a

801
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:35,200
private podcast that is
basically teaching people about

802
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,640
the industry without having to
sit in front of their computer

803
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,200
and watch a video for 30 minutes
of me talking about something I

804
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,360
don't know.
What do you have thoughts about

805
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,720
like taking a course and turning
it into a private podcast where

806
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,360
you're still delivering the same
level of content, but you're

807
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,360
just delivering it differently.
Maybe a way that people would

808
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,480
prefer to consume in walking
around the house or doing their

809
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,640
exercise or whatever and not
sitting in front of your

810
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,840
computer watching a course.
So I'm going to go back to your

811
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,200
question.
You asked me previously, Cliff,

812
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,440
I have a couple 100 subscribers
and you know, why should I have

813
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,000
a podcast?
I can't think of a reason.

814
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,760
I'm going to amend my answer,
Sid.

815
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,480
The reason why you would want to
create a podcast is so that you

816
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,360
can actually create a course
that is delivered through audio.

817
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,880
You just came up with the reason
for you to have a private

818
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,640
podcast.
And by the way, a private

819
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,840
podcast does not have to be an
ongoing podcast that you do for

820
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,080
seven years, right?
A private podcast could be 7

821
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,240
episodes that are anywhere
between 20 minutes to an hour in

822
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:41,160
length.
Or obviously we all know that

823
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,400
there's no reason to change.
You can make it, however, you

824
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,160
can make each episode 4 1/2
hours if you want.

825
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,120
It could be 3 episodes, it could
be 10 episodes.

826
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:54,600
And then once it's done and you
could sell that private podcast

827
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,000
for $1500.
Once you get the access to it,

828
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,720
you can start at episode 1 and
go to however many episodes that

829
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:03,080
you, that you design find it to
be.

830
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,880
So if it's 15 episodes and all
15 are published and somebody

831
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,200
joins, they can start at episode
1 and listen through and they

832
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,920
could jump to episode 8 if they
wanted to and then go back to

833
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,440
episode 2.
So it's all there.

834
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:18,480
It's really a really great idea
because I've been sitting on the

835
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,080
relaunch of this course because
I just struggling to update the

836
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,160
PowerPoint and all that kind of
nonsense.

837
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,320
And so I'm just like, and I've
been trying to figure out a way

838
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,680
to automate it to make it easier
because when I did it in the

839
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,400
past, further a couple of years
that I did it, it was all about

840
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,000
me teaching.
And that just takes up so much

841
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,320
time and effort.
And it wasn't really scalable.

842
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,960
I'm not scalable that way.
So this gives me a way to teach

843
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,360
it, keep the content updated,
add current events to it, and

844
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,360
then sell it at a lower cost
that would attract more people

845
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,320
into it.
So it's a real thank you, Cliff.

846
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,360
My pleasure.
Yeah, and I'm thinking you for

847
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,480
me personally, I'm inspired to
at least considering the idea of

848
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,360
a private podcast for only my
clients only, right, Like I I

849
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,960
could have some stuff to maybe
it's twice a month, maybe it's

850
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,560
once a week.
I don't know yet, but where I'm

851
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,200
just updating them.
Maybe it's with some advice,

852
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,880
maybe it's with some things
going on that I want my clients

853
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,440
to know about within the company
could be a variety of things.

854
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,360
I like that.
And then also, I feel like a lot

855
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,400
of us do newsletters and we
could create a private podcast

856
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,480
based on those newsletters.
Maybe we go more in depth for

857
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,120
the private audience.
Maybe that's one way to do it.

858
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,400
Maybe it's it's own type of
newsletter.

859
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,160
Who knows?
But this has got the juices

860
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,360
flowing.
Ralph.

861
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,000
Hey, Mark.
Yeah, I'm going to go to you,

862
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,240
Ralph, in a second.
Go ahead, Cliff.

863
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,320
So one of the other ideas that
came to my mind as Sid was

864
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,960
talking about, course, maybe
you're a self published author.

865
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,400
And if you're a self published
author, one of the things that

866
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,800
you could do is create an audio
version of your book and each

867
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,280
chapter is a podcast episode in
a private podcast feed.

868
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,920
I like that too.
Ralph, you're up.

869
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,240
Here's my question, is there a
magic number as to the size of

870
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:11,040
your community where this makes
sense?

871
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,840
Depends on what your desired
outcome is financially.

872
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:20,120
So for me, I often have had the
philosophy if this is a value to

873
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,840
one person and I would create
it, even if only that one person

874
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,280
would listen to it, then I'm
going to create it.

875
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,600
It doesn't matter to me if
there's a minimum return on

876
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,520
investment financially that I
need, then yes, that you would.

877
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,520
There would be some numbers and
metrics you'd have to kind of

878
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,000
navigate through.
But for me, there, there was a

879
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,280
time where I could literally
link back several millions of

880
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:53,040
dollars in sales from my
products and services to one

881
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,280
person.
And his name was Dan Miller.

882
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,120
And if Dan Miller was the only
person who listened to my

883
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,560
podcast at the time and nobody
else, I would still create that

884
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,760
content every week.
And Cliff, before we wrap up, I

885
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,440
do want to ask anything going on
in your world besides the return

886
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,480
of podcast Answer Man that you'd
like to share with our

887
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,640
community?
Absolutely.

888
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,800
So number one, I didn't get the
e-mail that you mentioned

889
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,640
earlier, but I am going to be
speaking at Podfest in Orlando.

890
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,640
So if anybody wants to meet face
to face, let me know and I'll

891
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,680
make sure to put you on my list
to make sure that I do get the

892
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,520
opportunity to cross paths with
you.

893
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,880
So I'm looking forward to
speaking at Podcast Podcast

894
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,440
Expo.
And the week after I get back

895
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,320
from Podcast Expo or a pod Fest
Expo, I am going to be

896
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:49,360
relaunching my Learn How to
Podcast course, which is a four

897
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:55,080
week training program that has
taught more than or nearly 700

898
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,720
people how to podcast through a
four week, one-on-one.

899
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,320
And also group coaching
relationship with me, where I

900
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,040
answer an unlimited number of
questions and walk you through

901
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,080
every single step in the process
of launching your podcast.

902
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,160
I have.
It has been, I think it's seven

903
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,720
years since I've done one of
these or maybe it's 8 and I'm

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bringing it back and it's going
to be a primary focus in 2026,

905
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,000
in the year ahead.
Awesome.

906
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,560
Congratulations, Cliff.
Cool to see you bringing back

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00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,960
some of the your classic stuff.
And I'm excited to see where

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00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,200
this goes.
And this has been such a helpful

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00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,800
conversation.
I really appreciate you walking

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00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,040
us through not just what a
private podcast is, but why it

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00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:44,200
can be such a meaningful tool
for podcasters who want a closer

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00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,200
connection with their audience.
And I know a lot of our

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00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,560
listeners are thinking about now
new ways to serve their

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00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,840
communities.
And your experience really has,

915
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,520
at least for me, motivated and
inspired me and and showed me

916
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,000
what's possible and what to
think through through before

917
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,880
jumping into it.
So thank you for all of this,

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00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,520
Cliff, and thank you for being a
part of the podcasting morning

919
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,200
chat over the past couple
months.

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00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,640
Appreciate you being here.
Well, Mark, I appreciate you and

921
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,280
I thank you for keeping this
community going and and just the

922
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,960
work that you guys are doing.
It is a privilege to be a guest

923
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,320
here today and it's also a lot
of fun to be a family on the

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00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,200
wall when I'm able to drop in
here and there.

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00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,120
So I love this community and
thank you for what you're doing,

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00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,080
Mark.
Yeah, thank you, Cliff and BC,

927
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,120
shout out to you too.
Thank you for your contributions

928
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,360
today.
And if you want BC, do you want

929
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,320
to share where people could get
your private podcast if they're

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00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,680
interested?
My show is called Caffeination

931
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,840
Nation.
It's on my sub stack BC

932
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,560
babbles.substack.com.
Check out my blog there, my main

933
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,400
podcast as well.
But also go to the private

934
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,520
Babble Corner and you'll see a
chance to sign up and enjoy the

935
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,280
private podcast.
Awesome, cool.

936
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,400
Thank you BC and thank you to
all of you for participating

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00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,400
today.
Remember that tomorrow, 7:00 AM

938
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,360
Eastern, we are covering news
and comment all things

939
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,480
podcasting in the news that are
of interest to you.

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00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,080
We will try to get to as many of
them as possible.

941
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:14,240
So come join us and join that
conversation tomorrow.

942
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:17,760
And remember Thursday, and I'm
saying this to my team here as

943
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,280
well, remember we are evaluating
another podcast on Thursday.

944
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,040
Please go listen to that and
we'll put a link in the show

945
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,640
notes if you want to get a
little deeper into that before

946
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,280
joining us on Thursday.
And if you don't feel like

947
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,480
listening, that's OK.
We got lots of clips we'll play

948
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,960
for you on Thursday and discuss
as well.

949
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,520
So until tomorrow, make it a
great day everybody take care.