Podcast Evaluations: 5 Smart Fixes That Instantly Level Up Your Podcast

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Good morning podcasting, Morning
Chat.

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Today is Thursday, October 30th,
2025, and today it's our podcast

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evaluation episode.
And Unbreakable Spirit by

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Magdalena Joseph gives us a
great look at refining, sound

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structure, and storytelling, all
on the simple setup.

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Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again podcasting,
Morning Chat.

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Thank you so much for being
here.

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I am your host Mark Ronick and
currently on stage with me we

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have Matt Bliss, Ashley Feller,
Sid Meadows, Dr. Fay Feel Better

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and Nick Nallback.
Thank you all for being here

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today.
Really looking forward to

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today's evaluation.
Last week was a huge success and

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I expect the same this week.
We've had some more people fill

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out the application form, which
I should have had prepared and

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pinned to the room.
Ashley, if you can find that and

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pin that or put it in the chat
for others, that would be

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awesome.
So I don't have a ton of

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housekeeping for you today other
than to say we are not streaming

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on Chatter because I do rely on
Jonathan for that.

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It's a whole thing.
I'm not going to sit and explain

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it all to you now, but Jonathan
helps me man.

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Or I should say, hold down the
Fort over there.

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And he's Mia and I understand
why he is shared with me.

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He also has been dealing with
insomnia issues.

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So my guess is that he may have
overslept and I know how that

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goes.
All right, so I'm looking in the

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audience here in Dave's waving
his Canadian flag.

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Last time he did that, it was
Thanksgiving in Canada.

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So what is it now, Dave?
Is there?

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Is there something going on that
I'm not aware of?

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No, you're kidding, Mark, right?
Why?

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What?
What did I do wrong?

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The Blue Jays.
Oh, they won.

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Yes, duh.
Thank you, Sid, and thank you

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for embarrassing me at the same
time.

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Yes, of course.
I wasn't even thinking that I'm

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a football guy.
All right, let's dig in.

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As we've said today we're
evaluating Unbreakable Spirit, a

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healing journey, and it's hosted
by Magdalena Joseph.

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We're going to look at her
episode, The Act of Letting Go,

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which I'll say is a reflective,
story driven solo episode that

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takes her audience through a
deeply personal ritual of

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release.
And before we jump in, I do want

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to highlight something important
from her application.

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She records everything on her
iPhone, and she's been focused

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on improving her sound quality.
And after taking some time off

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for some health reasons, she's
now preparing to relaunch the

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podcast.
And she made it clear to me in

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some conversation that, you
know, she is not in the position

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to go out and get equipment,
microphones, etcetera.

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She's got to focus her time and
attention in that regard to her

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own health and personal stuff.
As we go through our feedback,

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let's keep that in mind and
approach it from a place of

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respect and practicality,
focusing on suggesting or

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suggestions that are realistic
and acceptable for her

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situation.
And I love that about this

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episode.
This is something we talk about

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all the time.
Just press record.

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Don't let things hold you back,
right?

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And that's exactly what she's
doing here.

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She's saying, I have a message I
want to get out there.

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I want to help people with
chronic illness, with autoimmune

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diseases.
So I'm going to I'm going to do

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it anyway with what I got to
work with.

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So I applaud that.
And I want us to keep that in

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mind as we evaluate her podcast
from top to bottom.

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Now DRI, see you're off mic.
Did you want to say something?

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Yeah, well, number one,
Magdalena is in the audience

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today and #2 I want to know what
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her sound was great.
I'm hoping that she doesn't say

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an apple.
Please, Magdalena, don't tell me

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that I.
Feel like she told me it was her

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iPhone.
I can't remember, but I feel

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like she told me it was her
iPhone.

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I have invited.
I have invited her up on stage.

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And that's.
You don't have to come up here,

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Magdalena.
You can also feel free to join

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us in the chat.
And I know it's really early.

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I think she's on West Coast
time, if I'm mistaken.

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Yeah.
So thank you for being here.

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And so, and I'm, I'm glad you
heard that.

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I didn't know you were in the
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And I'm glad you heard that
because I it's heartfelt.

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I mean it.
And I think as a listener of the

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podcast, I think, you know that
we definitely do things here

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constructively.
So yeah, we will give you some

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constructive criticism.
We wouldn't be, it wouldn't be

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fair to you.
And yes, she uses an iPhone.

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She just put it in the in the
chat.

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Sorry, TR So we're it, we're
not, it's not meant to offend

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you.
It's meant to give you honest

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feedback to help you improve.
And again, with what you got,

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with what you're working with.
Dr. just flashed the angry emoji

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because it's an iPhone.
All right, so I'm going to pull

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up my notes here and guide us
through this conversation today.

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Before we even play anything,
let's share some first

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impressions.
Maybe they're emotional

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impressions.
Maybe you've got your podcast

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producer hat on and have some
producer impressions who'd like

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to go first.
Go ahead, Phil.

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Obviously this podcast is not
directed towards me, however I

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actually enjoyed it I think.
Magdalena, I'm sorry if I

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mispronounced your name.
You have a great voice.

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I was able to listen.
I wasn't thrown off by anything

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Dr. mentioned.
The sound was really good

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through your phone, so that's
amazing.

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But it was very storyteller
esque and I was able to follow

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and it felt like if I was
listening to an audio book that

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you were sharing.
So I really did enjoy that

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aspect of the episode.
Thank you, Phil.

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I think that there's going to be
some discussion on the delivery

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of her voice.
We'll get into that cause I've

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heard from a few people, we've
had some conversations behind

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the scenes and I'll explain in a
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Let me before I get the next
person's thoughts, if anybody

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has any more they want to share,
I should share with you at least

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the description of the show so
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right?
So this comes from her Spotify

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page and says, hello.
I am your host, Magdalena.

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I've been living with chronic
pain for decades, since I was 11

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years old.
In 2019, I was given a diagnosis

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of and I cannot pronounce this.
Can somebody tell me how to

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pronounce it?
Because I don't want to blow it

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up but I'll just say of an
autoimmune disease at the

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moment.
I felt so lost and alone with no

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clue what to do next.
But at the same time it sparked

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a new found strength and
determination to find ways to

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heal and live my best life
regardless of any diagnosis.

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I'm not a medical professional
so I will not offer any medical

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advice and I am simply sharing
my healing journey with you

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because you're not alone.
Maybe I should should go there

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next.
Does that description feel

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strong?
Does it feel audience focused or

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should it better explain what
listeners gain, who her

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listeners are like?
What do you think?

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Who would like to go?
Go ahead, Matt.

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I did a bit more exploring
beyond the episode and I found

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that this the description is
apartment in the sense that

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we're hearing her story.
And I think that's a really

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important part of what at least
what I got out of what she wants

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to put out there.
So I think it does a decent job.

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I think if we put on our
objective podcast producer hats

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and move through our audience
check rubric to see if it

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specifically targets anybody
that should be listening to it,

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I'm not sure it does.
I also don't think it has to.

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I think there are some cases
where someone's putting a story

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together to put a thing out in
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And this does that fairly well.
Could probably tune up a few

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little things, but as any
podcast grows and changes,

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that's a necessary thing.
I appreciate that, Matt.

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And do you think what, what
could you throw out?

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One thing you said there could
be a couple of little tweaks

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here and there.
Can you throw something out

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there maybe that she could
consider?

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Well, I think the title would
probably be the main thing.

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It's a philosophical exercise,
probably not useful either.

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But the title alone probably
didn't describe exactly what I'd

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be getting.
Like I'd feel like it wasn't

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enough and I'd have to go to the
description to figure out what's

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going on.
Even with that subtitle.

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Cause yeah, even with the
subtitle, again, like Phil said,

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it's probably not for me.
So if I was someone who was

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looking for a spiritually
resilient journey, then it

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probably hits that note right on
the head.

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But we have to acknowledge that,
you know, I'm a podcast producer

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and overseeing so many clients,
it's super easy for us to fall

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into the bias of needing it to
be exact and precise and cover

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like 80% of the market to ensure
they understand what it is so

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that we attract the right
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But again, like I said before
with the description, I don't

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think this needs to necessarily
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But you know, if there was one
thing to maybe massage a bit for

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me, it would be the title.
OK, fair enough.

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I do think that it, especially
with that subtitle, A Healing

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Journey, I think that it speaks
to the audience that she's

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speaking to.
I think that they would connect

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with it similarly to what you
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And yeah, with the podcast
producer hat on, it might help

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to get more ears on her podcast
that aren't necessarily going

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through it, but still may be
very interested in her story.

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You know, that might appeal more
to them if we could come up with

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something that speaks more to
what the content is all about.

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I do hear that, Matt.
I hear what you're saying.

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I do agree with Matt about the
title, and I was thinking about

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the subtitle.
I think that there's an

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opportunity to really.
So right off the bat, I'm

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thinking something like
discussions about chronic

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illness and autoimmune diseases
for that subtitle.

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It tells you exactly what you're
going to hear on this podcast,

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has all the SEO terms in there,
you know, chronic illness,

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immune diseases.
So I think that that would be a

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big step in maybe getting some
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And I'm going to go to Phil.
Phil, are you going to also

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chime in on the title or do you
have also thoughts on the

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description that I read?
I'm kind of agreeing with Matt,

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like obviously we are not the
ideal audience.

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She's looking for people going
through the struggle or adjacent

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people who have family members
going through the struggle of

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dealing with these chronic
illnesses, these autoimmune

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illnesses.
I think the title works well for

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it.
And if we're going to be like

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with Dr., if we want to hit the
SEO, yes, we can change up the

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subtitle, but I think that may
be getting away from who the

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core audience is.
We're looking just to grow, to

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grow for growing sakes, where
maybe this podcast needs to stay

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small and be more of a word of
mouth and she can connect to

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communities that are going
through that need these, this

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inspiration.
Instead of being like, I'm going

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to try and get as many people, I
want to focus on the core people

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of her audience and not try and
get as many people.

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Keep it still.
A nice small niche, cozy,

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intimate podcast where she's
sharing her story of resilience.

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Thank you, Phil.
Appreciate that as well.

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And I, I want to comment on the
description for a second.

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I would like to see that tweaked
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I usually encourage my clients
to lead with the audience in

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mind first.
So in this case, it starts

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hello.
First of all, I don't think you

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need the hello part.
You could just start with I'm

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your host.
But I think even before I'm your

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host, Magdalena, I think you
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audience first.
Maybe that's a couple of

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questions, even something as
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from chronic pain, autoimmune
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Do you feel alone because you
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I'm simply sharing my healing
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not alone.
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of tweets.
That's almost how I would start,

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right?
So again, I would suggest asking

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your target audience some
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points they relate to and then
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I'm your host and that I've been
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it's show grins, by the way, is
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Thank you, Magdalena and Ashley,
for putting that in the chat.

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That would be my small
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description that so that your
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this is for them.
Does anyone else have any

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comments before we get into her
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Oh, I see we've got some some
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So, yeah, let me let me go to
Ralph.

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Ralph, good morning.
What did you want to add?

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I just wanted to say my question
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promise for the listener?
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understand it as of right now.
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on that.
Like I mentioned the other day,

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what is the promise of your
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this show?
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And what I'm reading right now
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who are feeling lonely stop
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them, to show them that they are
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this.
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add is, is that there is hope on
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message I got loud and clear
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going to dig into in a moment.
That was a big one for me that I

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got out of this is that.
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Is just that.
Renee, did you want to add

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something?
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So what I find a lot of times
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when we're writing out our
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going to perform for our.
Clients, just like Ralph just

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said, is what is the end goal
and a lot of times we don't take

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it.
Far enough and the best words

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that we put in there is.
Staying.

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If you could read her last
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description because that's where
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Sure, sure, so it says.
I am simply sharing my healing

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journey with you because you are
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OK, so that you can get back to
that life that you always

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dreamed you could have.
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everything that you've wanted
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So that you are no longer.
Stuck so that.

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You are no longer alone so that
you have a community so that so

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if we can just include so that
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Thing then you know you're done
so that you can live the life

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you always meant to live, so
that you can provide for your

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family, so that you can get.
Back in the workforce, what are

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these So that's that are
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So we write down all the so
that's so that's so that, so

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that and then from there now
with the glorious AI, you throw

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all your so that's back into AI
and say, OK, now what is my

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description?
And you'll be amazed to see what

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all your SO that's bring to you.
That is awesome advice.

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Thank you, Renee.
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leading with that instead of
that being the last sentence

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because we don't even know if
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If they're not connecting with
the description initially, they

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may move on, right?
So that's why I want to hit them

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hard right away again with, you
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points and like you're saying,
like Ralph is saying this idea

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of those.
So that's right.

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What's the promise?
Great advice, Renee, and it's

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really encouraging to hear that,
you know, as especially when you

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start with, you know, this is a
new world to me, but you're

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hitting the all the nails on the
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So kudos to you.
I'm going to go to Anne and then

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let's move into a new area here,
but I'm going to Anne.

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A, Anne is on stage, so let's
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And B, Anne is an old friend, an
old clubhouse friend of mine

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that before the podcasting
morning chat, I was on every

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single morning joining a
different room that's no longer

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available.
But she was part of it.

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It was a personal development
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And Anne, it's great to see you.
Welcome.

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Hi, it's great to see you.
I'm not in the podcast world yet

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but I have 5 or 6 autoimmune
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I don't have the one she's
Speaking of but it doesn't

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matter.
So there are different reasons

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people would go into this.
You don't even have to have

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autoimmune to to be interested.
If you have a friend or a family

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member, you might want to join
to learn more or just for

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support.
And I agree that the last

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sentence should be the first.
But what to add on to what

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Renee's saying is just to be
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The issue with all these
illnesses, it changes your life.

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And if that becomes you and you
don't want that so I make it my

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normal, why don't lose me?
Does that make sense it?

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Makes a lot of sense.
I mean, my wife had an

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autoimmune disease that she's
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But I totally relate to this.
Just hearing your story, hearing

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Magdalena's and knowing hers.
Yeah, it there's this sense of

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if you don't let it, there's
this sense of resilience that

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comes through eventually where
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A lot of people will put their
foot down and say, no, I'm not

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letting this thing beat me.
I will beat it even if it means

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I will live with it and live my
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And I think creating spaces like
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provide that resilience or
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Of resilience because you see
somebody else going through it,

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having success, you know,
getting to a point where they

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are living their best life
regardless.

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And a lot of them do go in
remission and there's a lot of

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maintenance, which I have
problems with because I have so

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many things and there's so much
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So it becomes a lot, but it's
also about awareness and just

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sharing it.
And a lot of people have

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autoimmune, one, they don't know
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it.
So I think there's a lot more

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people that have autoimmune
disease and more women have

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autoimmune which.
Is.

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Interesting.
Yeah.

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Well, thank you, Anne.
Appreciate you.

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And you're welcome to hang here
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audience.
Up to you, but yeah, hang out if

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you'd like.
I'm going to keep things moving

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and I want to provide and share
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We'll share this in our show
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I want you to take a look at her
new cover art that is a work in

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progress.
I have to say that because she

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said that to me.
She is not saying this is her

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official artwork but she is
updating her cover art and the

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one piece of feedback I'd like
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I just had it up and now it
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The one piece feedback I noticed
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So it says at the top,
Unbreakable spirit, a healing

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journey.
She has her picture which I

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would say takes up the most real
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smaller in the bottom left
corner it says shared with love

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and it has her name.
My biggest suggestion is is to a

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remove the background of your
photo of yourself.

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You can easily do that for free
in Canva and there are other

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tools that do that too.
I would probably make that

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picture a little smaller and I
would blow up Unbreakable

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Spirit, a healing journey.
I would make that the focal

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point.
Not that I don't want to see

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your lovely face on here.
I'm just thinking about when it

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is appearing on podcast app,
it's going to be much smaller on

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that screen than it is on your
computer monitor.

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So I want people to clearly see
the name of the show in big bold

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letters.
And that's the other thing is I

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would consider maybe a different
font because it's not script,

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which is good.
It is more of a block, but it's

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got a little script feel to it.
And sometimes that can be harder

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to read, especially if it's on a
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So that would be my advice.
Did anybody want to comment on

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her cover art?
Go ahead.

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Yeah, go ahead.
Good morning.

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Good morning, everybody.
I agree with everything that you

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said earlier.
I would also encourage you to

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look at maybe different fonts
that that aren't all capitals.

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Like sometimes all caps can be
hard to read, especially in a

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smaller screen menu like we're
looking at the podcast players

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on our phone.
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great opportunity here to really
lean into making the cover art a

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bit more energetic and fun, if
you will, are exciting by

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leaning into Unbreakable Spirit
and maybe some graphics or

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something.
They just like when you look at

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it, it goes, Oh, wow, I
understand like the it's you can

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do so much with art and
graphics.

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You can play around in Canva
with it and, you know, put in

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unbreakable and put it in spirit
and see what types of things

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that you get that might give you
some inspiration.

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Or you could also look at in the
podcast player, you could, you

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know, type in those keywords and
see what else comes up that's in

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similar genres and see what
other cover arts are doing as a

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way to explore best practices.
But I think there's a great

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opportunity here to make the
cover art a bit more inviting

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and engaging to people that are
are searching because remember,

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we eat with our eyes 1st.
And it's just like looking at a

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podcast where we're seeing that
graphic first.

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So just remember, that's the
first experience somebody's

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going to have with you and your
brand is what they see from your

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cover art.
Thank you, Sid, We eat with our

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eyes first.
I love that.

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And I think that's some great
advice too.

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And I was saying even before you
jump into Canva to explore

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different fonts, imagery,
etcetera, I sometimes like to

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just go to ChatGPT and ask it
for some inspiration.

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Here's my show, here's my
description, here's my former

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cover art.
I want to update it.

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What do you suggest and just see
what it comes up with?

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For me, it just gives me
direction to then go into Canva

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and start playing with my own
rendition.

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Ashley, you wanted to say
something and then I saw Dr. did

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as well.
Thank you.

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Good morning.
So looking at the episode art, I

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see a.
Darker burgundy circle where it

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says shared with love comma.
Above her name I would I must

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say you could do without the
shared with love.

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And maybe replace it with a few
bullet point words of what the

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show is about or take it out all
together so we can see more of

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the episode title.
And I like that the name is on

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there, but I would like to see
it a little more in focus.

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It looks a bit small, but I like
the colors for sure.

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Thank you, Ashley, I would say
either remove it or I personally

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wouldn't recommend the bullet
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get lost when on a smaller
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I would make just simplify that
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posted by or simply by Magdalena
Joseph.

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I would keep it like that.
Dr. Did you want to chime in

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before we start playing some
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Everyone's heard of SEO, so now
we're talking about ECO

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eye-catching optimization, and
I'm going to go a little bit

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against the grain here, but I
don't think her picture should

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be on it.
I think that if I were producing

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the show, I would probably try
and come up with some different

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colors other than that maroon,
burgundy color.

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The thing that I do like about
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background and white chunky
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I like the contrast of that.
Please keep that.

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People are looking at their
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Their phones might be six to
seven inches.

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And you know when you make your
art on Canva, I blow that sucker

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up so I can really make it.
But when people see it, it's

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going to be on a six inch screen
and they're going to be

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scrolling fast.
So you need something to really

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00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,120
catch that eye.
So the first thing is I would I

454
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:57,440
would take the picture off, I
would come up with a different

455
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,160
color and I would really
consider putting in that

456
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,560
subtitle that I had talked about
before discussions of chronic

457
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,080
illness and autoimmune diseases
because it says exactly what the

458
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,800
show's about.
Thank you Dr. The only thing

459
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,640
that I personally don't agree
with is to remove the photo and

460
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,880
I'm going to actually ask the
majority since we're getting

461
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,040
some mixed advice here just to
give Magdalena some kind of

462
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,400
direction.
Ultimately Magdalena, it's your

463
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,960
decision to make, but put a one
in a chat in the chat if you

464
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,160
believe she should remove her
photo from the image.

465
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,760
I used to be an in the camp.
Don't ever put your own face on

466
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,560
there.
I don't know why.

467
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,560
I think it's similar to what Dr.
was saying, but these days,

468
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,840
especially with so much AI and
wondering what's real and what's

469
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,760
not, and granted you could
create an AI photo as well, but

470
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,520
I think it makes it a little
more personal.

471
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,120
And I think this is a personal
story, right?

472
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,040
This is Magdalena sharing her
story, her journey.

473
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,240
So she's very much a part of the
show.

474
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,040
And I think having her image
just adds to that personal

475
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,840
touch, in my opinion.
And yeah, Ralph just said keep

476
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,360
the photo.
It connects to her journey.

477
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,440
That's what I was trying to say.
And.

478
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,200
We found another hill that I'll
die on.

479
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,600
OK, that's OK.
Yeah, that's fine.

480
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,680
Everybody's entitled.
And sometimes, you know, what I

481
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,400
might think works isn't going to
work.

482
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,040
But the majority, just for our
listening audience who's not

483
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,080
here live, majority is
suggesting that she keeps the

484
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,280
photo.
I know Renee wants to say

485
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,280
something.
Go ahead, Renee.

486
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,440
I really do.
I want to jump in on typography

487
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,320
real quick.
I never ever want to put 2 serif

488
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,520
fonts together.
It should be a sans serif and a

489
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,440
serif.
And we have two serif fonts here

490
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,400
with the little hookies on the
end of the letters.

491
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,280
And so they're competing with
each other for attention.

492
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,880
So I believe that the one at the
bottom, if you're going to keep

493
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,280
another font on there, it should
not.

494
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,000
It should just be, you know, a
sans serif font.

495
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,400
Also, I think the kerning
between the letters a healing

496
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,000
journey.
They're touching so much that

497
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,120
makes it harder to read,
especially when it's smaller.

498
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,440
I think they that should be
expanded a little.

499
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,840
Bit.
OK.

500
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,000
Thank you, Renee.
Appreciate that coming from our

501
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,800
marketing.
I love how I love how granular

502
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,160
we're getting with these
evaluations.

503
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,800
I I think that's so great.
I believe that this is very

504
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,760
helpful to our audience.
These are things to think about,

505
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,520
whether you're just starting a
podcast or maybe you've had one

506
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,080
for a while and you want to go
and take a look at your cover

507
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,920
art and consider some of these
fine details as Dr. said that

508
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,040
we're we're providing today.
I hope that's helpful.

509
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,440
Matt, what did you just share in
the chat?

510
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,160
And is this something you'd like
us to also share in the show

511
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,400
notes as I am want to do when
people start talking about cover

512
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,280
art?
I just pull up my paint tool and

513
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,520
to start playing around with
things a little bit.

514
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,680
And I don't know how to talk
about what I shared in the chat.

515
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,640
OK, but it's, it's your version
of the cover art.

516
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,880
Yeah.
And, and Magdalena, definitely

517
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,280
have a look at it and see what
you think if if it jives with

518
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,560
stuff.
But I've removed the background

519
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,720
from the image of her, done some
gradient fade on where the image

520
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,880
cuts off at her shoulder.
And I think I did a sans serif

521
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,400
serif front pairing.
I can't be entirely certain.

522
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,720
The only thing that's really
missing from the rearrangement

523
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,920
that I did is the shared with
love.

524
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,320
And I think that bottom left
corner of the image that I

525
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,920
drafted there is open Slava for
whatever creativity that someone

526
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,720
might want to inject in there.
Thank you, Matt.

527
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,400
This is awesome.
And yeah, I think it's a big

528
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,920
improvement over the working one
that we are talking about.

529
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,760
So, yeah, we will absolutely put
this one and the one that

530
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,560
Magdalena started with.
We'll put those in the show

531
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,880
notes so people can go take a
look at this.

532
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,600
Thank you for doing that, Matt.
And this is a very interactive

533
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,760
evaluation today.
And, you know, Matt did

534
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,360
something on the spot here for
her to see in our audience to

535
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,720
see.
I'm going to share a clip that I

536
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,560
tweaked a little bit as well,
but I didn't do it on the spot,

537
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,720
but I did it last night to share
with you all and I think that

538
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,480
this is actually a great
transition into starting to play

539
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,440
some of these clips so we can
get into this specific episode.

540
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,720
The act of letting go.
This was an 11 minute episode

541
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,040
and I think the best place to
start will be her intro.

542
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,000
So I'm going to play the intro
for you.

543
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,080
This is her original intro from
that episode, and I believe it's

544
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,800
the same intro from other
episodes as well.

545
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,120
And then let's talk about it on
the other side.

546
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:51,600
The act of letting go.
Welcome to Unbreakable Spirit, a

547
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:59,680
healing journey.
So right there, I appreciate the

548
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,480
short, quick intro.
Last week, I think it was a

549
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,440
longer one and we were talking
about the fact that we thought

550
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,240
it could have been shortened.
I last week we also talked about

551
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,720
how that one started with a
whole boatload of music before

552
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,040
the voice over even occurred.
This one, there was just a few

553
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,840
seconds of music.
I think the music was

554
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,280
appropriate and it was shortened
to the point.

555
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,640
Could she add a little bit more?
Yeah, I would.

556
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,440
I would encourage that.
I'll bite my tongue and just see

557
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,440
if anybody else wants to respond
first.

558
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,920
Go ahead, Phil.
I agree with you, intro is

559
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,280
nearly the perfect length.
The only thing I would probably

560
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,760
add is her name.
That's probably the only thing I

561
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,240
would add to it just to let us
know who the podcast is by.

562
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,200
That's the only thing I've
noticed in her intro that she

563
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,240
didn't do.
So we are not welcomed by the

564
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,760
host.
We don't know who the host is

565
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,880
and we have to obviously go on
her cover art, but I always like

566
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,880
hearing the host introduce
herself.

567
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,800
That would be probably the only
thing I would add to that intro.

568
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,320
I didn't even think of that, and
I think that's a great point.

569
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,440
Yeah, let's introduce yourself
so we know who you are.

570
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,760
I think where I was going with
adding a little bit more is to

571
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,440
just add, like, one line, like
an emotional hook that connects

572
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,480
directly to the listener's
experience.

573
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,920
So what do I mean?
For anyone carrying the weight

574
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,800
of chronic pain, this episode is
for you.

575
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,920
Something like that.
Just to, again, address the

576
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,360
target audience right out of the
gate.

577
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,240
OK.
I think Ralph is agreeing with

578
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:41,520
me.
Yeah.

579
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,800
What is the brand promise?
So it goes back to what Ralph

580
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,160
was saying about the
description.

581
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,920
Yeah, let's do that same promise
in the intro.

582
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,080
Does not have to be lengthy.
Anyone else have comments,

583
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,800
thoughts, suggestions on the
intro?

584
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,120
I have another one, but I just
want to give everyone an

585
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,280
opportunity.
I think it would be much more

586
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,000
impactful if she said, and
here's what you're going to get

587
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,160
from today's episode or here's
what I'm going to help you do

588
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,280
because then you're like, oh,
I'm connected now.

589
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,920
I want to listen to the rest of
it because that beginning was

590
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,760
just like, do I want to continue
or not?

591
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,800
OK, that's fair.
And I didn't play the next part

592
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,760
after the intro.
And if I recall, and I don't

593
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,679
have it handy, if I recall, I
think she does set up the

594
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,440
episode a little bit more after
that.

595
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,320
I think this is what we can call
her generic intro.

596
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,000
And as the music ends, she comes
back and start and starts to set

597
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,639
up the episode.
And I understand that, but I

598
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,800
think you've got 30 seconds at
the beginning of this.

599
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,560
To hook somebody.
Once you get past that 30

600
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,440
seconds, I think you've lost
your opportunity, right?

601
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,840
And that was 15.
So she has another 15 seconds

602
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,639
which she uses to set up the
episode.

603
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,679
So I think she does.
It is really where where I'm

604
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,360
going with that.
I also wanted to comment on in

605
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,400
these, you know, these are NIT
picky details and I think that

606
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,880
they make a nice difference.
And I think somebody else might

607
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,960
have mentioned this as well from
the team when they were when

608
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,800
they submitted their
evaluations.

609
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,840
I think that the music needs a
little bit of fading,

610
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,960
potentially even at the top at
the very start of the music.

611
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,960
Sid, was it you who said the
music came in for you?

612
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,680
A little strong, a little loud,
a little jarring.

613
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,520
Yeah, it was the second-half of
the music.

614
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,840
It like went up in volume as I
was listening to it, and then it

615
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,560
kind of abruptly cuts off.
And I'm a big fan of fading

616
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,080
music and fading it in as you
start talking, so it doesn't

617
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,400
have this such abrupt cut off.
But yeah, it did it for me when

618
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,160
I listened to it.
The first part of music was

619
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,280
good, then it she talked and
then it got loud again.

620
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,160
So that was me, yes.
So here's what I did.

621
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,520
I went and added some fades,
both to the front and the end of

622
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,160
the intro.
It's a little harder to hear the

623
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,360
fades, especially at the end,
because I can only work with the

624
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,520
finished product.
If I had the original raw

625
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,200
recording, I could make the fade
a little more dramatic than I

626
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,520
did, but I think it still gets
the point across.

627
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,960
I'm going to play Once More for
Your Ears.

628
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,760
I'm going to play the original,
and then I'm going to play my

629
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,760
revised version.
So here's the original.

630
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:27,240
The act of letting go.
Welcome to Unbreakable Spirit, a

631
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:34,480
healing journey.
So there was a fade, I just

632
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,240
thought it could be a little
more dramatic there at the end.

633
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:41,280
So here it is with the fade up
at the beginning and then a fade

634
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:48,600
out at the end.
The act of letting go.

635
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,600
Welcome to Unbreakable Spirit, a
healing journey.

636
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,320
So the the fades just add
something a little more gentle.

637
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,160
I feel like a little less
jarring, even though the music

638
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,320
itself is not a jarring song by
any stretch, but I do feel like

639
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,440
it adds to that softness of what
appears to be the whole show.

640
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:18,400
Dave Campbell says the host's
voice could be a little louder

641
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,280
as well.
And Dave, I think we're what

642
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,560
you're getting at there is
literally the volume.

643
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,080
Like, not that she necessarily
has to speak louder, although I

644
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,160
think some may have some
opinions on that, too.

645
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,400
Yeah, that's what he's saying,
that we could actually turn the

646
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,200
gain up in post production.
And this is I'm.

647
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,640
I'll jump ahead just for a
second because this is another

648
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,000
piece of advice I have for you,
Magdalena.

649
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,000
Maybe after you have finished
recording, run your audio, run

650
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,360
that file through a service like
Authonic, which gives you, I

651
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,960
believe, two hours of audio for
free, so you don't have to

652
00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:01,120
invest more money into anything.
A it's a UPHONICI think what

653
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,680
that's going to do.
It's going to raise some of your

654
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,560
voice, as Dave was saying, It's
going to give you a little more

655
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,440
gain.
It's also going to do some

656
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,480
things.
I was listening through the

657
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,800
whole episode and I appreciate
where you take pauses.

658
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,760
I think it adds a lot of effect
and what happens, especially if

659
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,720
you're not using a lot of post
production tools or you only got

660
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:27,240
limited hardware to work with.
A lot of times you can hear some

661
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,920
deeper breaths, some mouth
noises and clicks and things

662
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,400
like that in between the pauses.
And I think if you run it

663
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,080
through, I know if you run it
through Offonic, it's going to

664
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,560
clean all of that up and it's
going to enhance the quality of

665
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,640
your voice.
That's my suggestion.

666
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,840
Anyone else want to say anything
or shall we continue on?

667
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,680
Ralph puts in the chat here.
We also have to be fair in maybe

668
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,880
she does not have access to an
audio processing software and

669
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,640
may just be recording and then
releasing.

670
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,720
I can accept this if the content
is stellar.

671
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,040
Yeah, I'm with you.
And again, there are free tools

672
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,640
out there that you can use in
post production to help enhance

673
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,040
the quality.
Let's talk a little bit about

674
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,920
the episode itself.
I will play this clip.

675
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,600
This is probably more getting
into the storytelling of the

676
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,960
show, and obviously there's
more.

677
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,040
I can only play part of it.
I'm like, otherwise we're going

678
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,400
to have to sit and listen
through the whole episode.

679
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,040
That's not what we're supposed
to be doing here today.

680
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,120
So I'm going to play a piece of
a story that a few people on the

681
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,360
team mentioned that this was
something to talk about.

682
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,080
So I will just stop right there
and play the clip.

683
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,960
I wrote at the top of the paper
I release dot dot dot and just

684
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,640
began filling that sheet with
traumatic events starting from

685
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,880
my childhood.
All the pains that I felt,

686
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:02,360
guilt, abusive treatments, just
all of the bad memories that

687
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,680
really stood out and the
repetitive nightmares.

688
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,880
I wrote down all the things that
were on replay in my mind all

689
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,360
these years.
I kept it brief for each one and

690
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,480
filled 2 pages.
I then ripped out the papers

691
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,560
from the notebook, folded it up,
and with confident

692
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,000
determination, I walked into my
kitchen.

693
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:31,320
And I got a box of matches.
I pulled out the BBQ grill in my

694
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,280
backyard.
I rolled it out into the part of

695
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,600
the patio that was better lit.
And I placed those papers on the

696
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,800
grill.
And I struck a match.

697
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,760
Well, it actually took a few,
but I lit the papers up.

698
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:53,960
And as I watched them burn, I
spoke out loud.

699
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,200
I take my power back.
I take my life back.

700
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,600
There you go.
Then again, Oh, I said there you

701
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,880
go.
By the way, if you're listening

702
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,040
from yesterday, you know why
that just annoyed me.

703
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Anyway, Yeah, I I picked that
and several others picked some

704
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,800
of that as well.
It was a strong story and it

705
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,800
felt very heartfelt.
I wanted to honor that and

706
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,440
recognize that that, yeah, your
storytelling in this case, it

707
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,800
was really powerful.
And again, I do appreciate the

708
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,400
pauses that occasionally you
threw in there just to really,

709
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,040
it really helps sink it in.
Matt, did you want to comment?

710
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,160
I think it was mostly the fire
burning portion of that as a

711
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,640
clip because it was the most
succinct and storytelling Y bit

712
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,120
of the episode that I felt it
told me a bit of the purpose of

713
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,080
what she's trying to do with the
episode, which leads into the

714
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,240
title and description stuff.
I think one of the biggest

715
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,800
suggestions I'd have is to walk
that line between storytelling

716
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,320
and all the other anchoring
aspects that that you guys have

717
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,280
been talking about.
Like what does the person

718
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,680
listening to this get out of it?
What is the reason for

719
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,600
listening?
Why would someone dedicate their

720
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,800
time to this episode and what
are they getting out of it?

721
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,640
A moment like that, that tells
us that it can walk a line

722
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,320
between the two.
You can have your storytelling

723
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,080
as a major component of it
because it's done so well.

724
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,600
And I even I think in the thing
I suggested was to, if you had

725
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,960
the opportunity to play around
with adding some sound effects

726
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,960
in there, I think that could
assist the immersion a bit.

727
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,360
And when I say sound effects, I
don't mean like footsteps, door

728
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,320
open, door close footstep, birds
chirping, wind, rustling,

729
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,720
lighting, BBQ, do just enough to
tell people where things are at

730
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,320
physically, but not enough, not
not too much.

731
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,640
The where you feel overwhelmed
by the amount that's included.

732
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,560
But would you have been a fan if
she said she struck a match or

733
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,480
maybe a few and we heard a
couple of light, a couple of

734
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,160
matches struck?
Yeah, like, yeah, yeah.

735
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,640
You know, the BBQ lighting up or
something like that.

736
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,360
And maybe even just the fire
crackling in the background

737
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,640
while she was making the her
thoughts heard the universe, You

738
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,720
know, I let go of this.
I let go of that.

739
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,600
I'm going to be me again.
I think that that moment, like

740
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,120
just if you can capture that in
like a sound designed essence, I

741
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,840
think it kicks you right in the
stomach when it happens, which

742
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,800
is great.
But at the same time, I think

743
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,320
you you don't want to straddle
the two at the same time with

744
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,520
regards to storytelling and what
you're delivering the audience.

745
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,880
And so I think especially with
the rest of her episodes being

746
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:47,920
guided by the methods that she
uses to address and deal with

747
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,280
the different aspects of having
the audio immune and her trauma.

748
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,800
I think having a segment where
she tells a story, that story

749
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,600
relating to the method that she
uses to address it and having

750
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,560
those distinctly separated in
the episode is I think a way to,

751
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,440
I don't know, I feel like I'm
speaking for her a little bit.

752
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,840
But to address the the idea that
you're sharing a bit of yourself

753
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,600
as well as sharing with the
listener what worked best for

754
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,960
whatever it is like little
segments, I think, but preserve

755
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,480
that storytelling angle.
I think it's it's super strong.

756
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,800
And with the close intimate
nature that she is on the

757
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,040
microphone, it adds to that a
little bit.

758
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,800
Like we want to feel the volume
boost.

759
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,600
But she's also, she's with us
quietly in a space and she's not

760
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,200
yelling at us.
She's not telling us what to do,

761
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,640
but she's here.
She's with us.

762
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,720
Yeah.
Very quiet, a calming presence.

763
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,760
Yeah.
Yeah.

764
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,520
There's a balance between all
the things we've talked about.

765
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:52,720
But don't lose that
storytelling.

766
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,000
I think that's.
It's a super important bit.

767
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,240
Thank you, Matt.
I appreciate that.

768
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:00,280
And by the way, Magdalena is on
stage.

769
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,000
Magdalena, did you want to
comment at all?

770
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,280
Throw in anything I want to make
sure your voice is heard if

771
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,880
you'd like it to be heard.
First of all, I want to thank

772
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,360
everyone for your input and it's
450 here.

773
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,040
I started at 4:00 AM so my voice
is still trying to wake up.

774
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,760
That's OK.
But I so appreciate everything

775
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,920
that everyone is saying, saying
and sharing.

776
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,400
Yes, I only use my phone.
What I wanted to add was, first

777
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,920
of all, I speak softly because
the target audience, of course,

778
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,240
are those in the chronic illness
spectrum like I am.

779
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,280
And there's more than Sjogren's
that I will be sharing because a

780
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,320
lot of us with an autoimmune
condition have more than one.

781
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:54,400
And like Anne had mentioned that
the maintenance is a struggle

782
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,920
because each one has different
specific needs or attention.

783
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,720
The reason why I speak so
softly, one of the reasons is

784
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:10,240
because again, the those people
that are in that spectrum, I

785
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:14,560
made the show for them because
when I was looking for a podcast

786
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,520
for myself to listen to when I
was diagnosed.

787
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,160
And even now, I can't find one
that I could sit in a doctor's

788
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,040
office and have my earbuds on
while I'm waiting for my

789
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,880
appointment, while I'm waiting
for examinations, when I'm

790
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,680
laying in bed recuperating, when
I'm having a procedure done.

791
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,160
They are too loud, they talk too
fast.

792
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,440
And so I wanted to do something
that they can listen to in their

793
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:50,000
bed or chair and gain something
from it, but not be overwhelming

794
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,120
on the ears.
So that was one thing that I

795
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,080
wanted to share.
I am so glad that you did share

796
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,040
that.
And I'm sure you heard since

797
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,280
you've joined us from the
beginning, I've made a couple of

798
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:07,280
comments that the delivery of
your voice of, of this podcast,

799
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,560
people were curious about it.
And that was one of the things I

800
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,160
was suggesting is yet this could
be very intentional and we

801
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,480
shouldn't not that anyone really
was, but we shouldn't be judging

802
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,840
the voice.
And instead we should be paying

803
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,000
attention to the style.
Does that style work for the

804
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,720
target audience?
And my assumption was just that

805
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:35,840
that you were doing this for,
for them to have that calming

806
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,360
feel that to, to not feel like
they're being yelled at or even

807
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,640
just spoken loudly to that you
want to create a space where

808
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,560
they can feel calm, they can
feel welcomed and not

809
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,120
overwhelmed.
Is that fair?

810
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,680
Yes.
Definitely.

811
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,440
So thank you for sharing that
piece.

812
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,520
I think that's really important.
I will admit, when I first heard

813
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,320
it, I said to myself, uh oh,
like this is going to be

814
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,000
something that we're going to
have to address.

815
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,000
And then as I listened more, I
changed my mind.

816
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,880
I recognized that, you know,
you're creating almost a

817
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,000
meditative space.
And I think it works for for

818
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,680
that target audience.
Yvonne's on stage.

819
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,320
Yvonne, did you want to comments
at all?

820
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,920
Magdalena, I'm so happy for you.
I don't know if you saw my

821
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,760
comment in the chat.
Magdalena and I know each other

822
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,800
from other rooms here in
Clubhouse and I'm just so

823
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,680
thrilled to see you doing this
and it's so brave to put

824
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:34,600
yourself out like this.
For.

825
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,480
Critique and it's going to make
your podcast better and I'm

826
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,280
thrilled for you.
Thank you so much, Yvonne.

827
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:46,120
Thank you, Yvonne, for sharing
that and being a little

828
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,240
vulnerable as well.
Yeah, I'm really excited.

829
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,800
OK, let's keep it moving.
We have a few more minutes.

830
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,240
So I went up.
I'm going to play another clip.

831
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,000
And then if anybody wants to
respond, here we go.

832
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,680
Being consistent, doing things
for myself that bring me joy,

833
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,520
putting my health first and
finding ways to heal mentally.

834
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,840
Like writing down all those
experiences and traumatic events

835
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:20,280
on paper and burning it.
It's taken me a while to realize

836
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,480
that I'm worth it, I'm worthy of
it.

837
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:33,000
And in this seasoned years of my
life, I've all this wisdom that

838
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:39,080
I've gained, and all these
experiences have not only given

839
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:44,320
me a lot of wisdom, but has made
me stronger.

840
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,920
So there's a the next clip and I
that's, if you haven't figured

841
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,400
out that's more toward the end
of the podcast.

842
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:57,080
So I appreciate the idea that
she's giving us that wrap up the

843
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,240
takeaways for her.
I found that was really

844
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:03,720
valuable, really important.
Does anyone else want to comment

845
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:07,440
on anything about that clip?
Dr. Did you, I know that you had

846
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,240
mentioned something about that
clip of Ashley first because

847
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:11,840
Ashley just raised her hand.
Go for it.

848
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,680
Ashley not.
Particularly about this clip,

849
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,800
but about the whole show in
general, is that I really

850
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,880
appreciate the intimacy that she
offers throughout the show.

851
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,000
When I first turned it on, I
listened to it twice.

852
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,200
I listened the first time in my
car and when I turned it on I

853
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:35,560
was like, I feel like I've just
gotten the best voice memo from

854
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,240
a dear.
Friend and that's not always

855
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:42,480
easily achieved.
It was so sincere and I just.

856
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,040
Want to say well done with that.
Thank you, Ashley, I think Ralph

857
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,960
echoes a bit of what you're
saying.

858
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,240
Ralph put in the chat.
Excellent delivery in connection

859
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:52,400
with the listener.
God bless you for your courage

860
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,640
and strength.
Very cool.

861
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,840
OK.
And I'm with you 100%.

862
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,080
Anyone else before I play the
outro because I do want to play

863
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,240
that and get some feedback
before we wrap up today.

864
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,480
So I'm going to play her outro.
If no one has anything else they

865
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:13,880
want to add, here we go.
Thank you for listening to my

866
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,960
latest episode and if it
resonated with you or you know

867
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,600
someone who could would enjoy
this episode or could benefit

868
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,600
from it, please share it out to
them.

869
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:31,400
I really appreciate your support
and as always, I wish you peace,

870
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:38,160
love and healing so.
What I Oh, let me.

871
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,120
OK, yeah.
And then see, it needed a little

872
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,560
more of a fade there as well.
I think a little more dramatic

873
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,360
extended fade out.
And I appreciated that she

874
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,920
didn't give us a whole laundry
list of things we could do.

875
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,000
In other words, her call to
action wasn't riddled with go

876
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,720
here, go there, do this, do
that.

877
00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:00,600
It was one simple message and I
appreciated that.

878
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:06,480
Does anybody have any feedback
on improving it, if it needs

879
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,600
improvement or do you feel like
this worked just fine the way it

880
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,160
was?
No one, no one else has any

881
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,080
feedback on the out on the
outro.

882
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,640
Go ahead, Phil.
I would have liked maybe a call

883
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,680
to action so very.
Specifically what?

884
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,760
Because she did say to follow
her, I believe.

885
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:32,280
If she said if if this resonated
with you and for me that's just

886
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,680
I find it a bit wishy washy like
there's no offense against it

887
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,360
meant it's not an actionable.
It's putting the hat in the

888
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:46,000
hands of the listener and
listeners are not known to take

889
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,800
action on their own unless
they're told to do.

890
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,640
I put it in my form and
submitted it the way I would

891
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,440
have worded it, but making it
more action, action oriented.

892
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:02,760
Since this resonated with you,
make sure you follow it For

893
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,640
those that it resonated with
follow so that she's identifying

894
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,240
like you resonated with this.
You should follow instead of if

895
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:15,440
this resonated with you or what
it kind of did but didn't did it

896
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,960
resonate with me and instead
saying that when it resonated

897
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,040
with you, you have to follow.
Taking out the if.

898
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,240
I'm not a fan of if because it
sounds like you're giving

899
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:30,040
someone an out.
Just my personal take.

900
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,520
I'm with you there.
It looks like you've got some

901
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,160
people agreeing with you in the
chat. close the sale.

902
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,280
As Tim Brian says, close the
sale.

903
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,280
Tell them what you want them to
do.

904
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,960
So maybe instead of a instead of
the word, if maybe we're just

905
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,920
simply replace that with please,
please follow me on whatever,

906
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,360
wherever you want them to follow
you.

907
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,040
I'm with you there.
I don't have a huge problem if

908
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,880
you say if this resonates with
you like that.

909
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,720
I know I'm one that has has said
that from time to time as well.

910
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,720
I don't have a huge problem with
that.

911
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:05,200
But I do appreciate the
direction there, which is, yeah,

912
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,400
to just be a little more bold,
be a little more assertive about

913
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,840
that.
Yeah, Ralph says.

914
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,360
And strong because you're
strong.

915
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,240
Any final words?
So Magdalena, thank you for

916
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,240
sharing this with us and giving
us the opportunity to share our

917
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:20,720
thoughts with you and spend.
I love this.

918
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,960
This is really great.
And I also just want to shout

919
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:28,080
out to Matt because into Janae
who shared, if you haven't seen

920
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,120
it, please go look at the cover
art that he did with you with

921
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,400
your hat or your beanie on and
looking up towards the sky.

922
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,080
That just has such a good
feeling to it.

923
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,880
It just really, really pops and
resonates.

924
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,600
So that picture is awesome.
Matt, you did a great job.

925
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,720
Janae.
Thanks for for recommending that

926
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:48,840
picture too.
And you know, it's just a lot of

927
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,880
fun to see.
See the new cover art.

928
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,960
Come to Life are an option for
you Magdalena to come to life.

929
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,560
I agree and Matt even took it a
step further.

930
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:04,720
Matt had said had showed it in a
collage of other cover art.

931
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:10,080
It really pops that background
sticks out compared to the rest.

932
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,840
The the white lettering, the
fonts, really eye-catching.

933
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,240
It's and and so is that photo
like you said.

934
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:19,200
I love that photo.
Janae.

935
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:24,480
Great find and great suggestion.
Magdalena, I'm curious, did you

936
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,280
look at that yet?
And how do you feel about the

937
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,400
photo?
I was surprised that he pulled

938
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,800
that picture of, but I really
like what he did.

939
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,720
I was really surprised how
quickly he did that.

940
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,080
I had thought about using that
photo, to be honest, I don't

941
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,080
know.
I just didn't care for it.

942
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:48,320
I think if I can make it a
little brighter or put some, but

943
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,840
I mean, it's, it's me.
So it's really what I look like

944
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,000
on day-to-day.
But I just wanted to add for

945
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:02,240
everyone to know my show is not
just sharing my story, but it's

946
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:06,840
also to offer resources and a
place for them to go, which I

947
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,720
will be including on upcoming
shows and moving forward.

948
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:17,720
That's my goal.
And also to the emphasis is to

949
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,280
show them that regardless of
their diagnosis, that they can

950
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,320
thrive.
And it's a matter of not being

951
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:32,040
woe is me or taking the
diagnosis as this is it and

952
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,200
final and surrendering.
So, you know, that's really my

953
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,480
goal, to help others to see that
and to feel that.

954
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,040
Thank you.
A great way to wrap it up too.

955
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,880
And I that's a really important
point.

956
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,360
And again, I would encourage
that to be included in your

957
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,320
description as well.
And Matt's offering, by the way,

958
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,200
if you want to get some help
with that cover art, he's, he's

959
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,360
giving you his e-mail address.
So reach out to him.

960
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,400
And great job with that, Matt
that made this this episode,

961
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,680
this evaluation much more
interactive and fun.

962
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,560
So thank you for doing that.
And I hope it all translates OK

963
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,560
for our podcast audience as
well.

964
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,200
Like I said, we'll try to show
you, we'll give you links to the

965
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,760
original image and the final
image that Matt has put together

966
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,840
so that you can take a look at
what we're talking about.

967
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,520
Just go into the show notes and
find it there.

968
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,200
Magdalena, thank you, thank you,
Thank you for being brave, for

969
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:32,720
submitting your podcast, for
being you, for allowing us to do

970
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,040
this.
Because I'm sure I'm confident

971
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,240
that this has helped you.
And I genuinely believe that

972
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,480
this, this conversation, this
evaluation is going to help a

973
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,640
lot of other podcasters too.
So thank you for being that

974
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,080
person, for stepping up and
allowing us to to do this for

975
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,560
you.
I know it can be sometimes

976
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,800
challenging to sit and take that
kind of feedback.

977
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,800
I don't think we were harsh, but
I think we were honest and that

978
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,760
can sometimes be a challenge for
people to to take on.

979
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,840
So thank you for for doing that
too.

980
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,120
And we're always here for you.
I know you can't always join us

981
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,520
in the morning because it is way
early there for you, but please

982
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,560
keep listening and and feel free
to be a bigger part of the

983
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,520
community over on our Facebook
page.

984
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Just look up Empowered
podcasting in the Facebook

985
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,200
groups and come join us over
there if you haven't already.

986
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,400
I know I I've seen you comment
before, so you may have already

987
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,800
started following us, but but
please be a bigger part of it.

988
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,520
Ask questions.
We're here to help you and help

989
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,840
others really get to where they
want to be.

990
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,760
Thank you all and thank you to
the team as well.

991
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,880
Really appreciate it.
Go ahead and Magdalena.

992
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,400
I just want to say thank you.
Thank you so much for everyone

993
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,000
and I really appreciate it.
It's going to make a big

994
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,480
difference and I'm going to save
the replay because I wasn't able

995
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,160
to take notes.
I'm sitting in the dark because

996
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,000
my family is still sleeping.
But I really appreciate

997
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,000
everything it, it means a lot.
I will make sure to get you the

998
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,280
transcript of this show, and
that's available on most podcast

999
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,000
platforms too.
But I'll make sure you get the

1000
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,760
transcript so you can run it
through AI and maybe have it

1001
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,840
take notes for you at least to
save you a little bit of time

1002
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,120
initially.
Let's stay in touch and I'll get

1003
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,200
that to you.
And thanks again to the whole

1004
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,840
team for doing this evaluation
today.

1005
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,240
I appreciate you taking the time
out of your busy schedules to do

1006
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,920
this.
We're going to probably do it

1007
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,760
again next week, Full
disclosure, it's a lot of work

1008
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,560
for me and I just got to figure
out a way to streamline it.

1009
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,720
So I think we will be doing this
again next week.

1010
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,920
More to come.
I'll share more next week.

1011
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,720
And thank you all again.
Visit us at podpage.com/PMC for

1012
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,600
more content like this.
And until tomorrow, make it a

1013
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,880
great day everybody.
Take care.