How to Bring More Humanity Into Your Podcast

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Monday, December 8th,
2025, and today our obsession

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worthy podcast series continues
with Everything Is Alive, a

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podcast that tosses out
interview norms to create

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immersive, unexpected moments
that build connection and keep

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Thanks for being here.
Good morning again, podcasting,

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Morning Chat.
Thank you so much for being

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here.
I am your host Mark Ronick and

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currently on stage with me.
We've got a full house this

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morning.
Producer Ashley Fellers back

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Nick Null back Dr. Faye.
Sid Meadows is also back.

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Jonathan Howard, Ralph E Step
and we also have BC Babbles and

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Cliff Ravenscroft on stage with
us as well.

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And good morning to Greg and
Tim, who are in the audience

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bright and early this morning.
Thank you for being here.

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Appreciate it.
Hope everyone had a great

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weekend.
Let me first say good morning to

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you, Ashley.
How was your trip?

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You went to the Bahamas, right?
Hey, good morning.

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It was fantastic.
Yeah, we went to the Bahamas and

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we also went to Green Cayman.
Awesome.

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Any one thing that sticks out
that you'd want to share with

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us?
No pressure.

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Just that it was the first
family vacation we had, the four

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of us in really 20 years, I'd
say that, yeah.

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OK, that's a that's a good one
to share.

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Thank you for sharing and I'm
glad you had a great time.

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We missed you.
Welcome back.

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And Speaking of missing people,
Sid is back as well.

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Unfortunately not quite the same
type of break as Ashley.

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And we did share, Sid, that Sid.
Yeah, did in fact, unfortunately

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his mother passed away early
last week.

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And Sid, thank you for being
here only a week later.

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I hope you're doing well.
How are you?

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Good morning, everybody.
Thank you, Mark, for those

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wishes.
I'm doing great.

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I'm glad to be back.
You know, my mother had had a

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very long battle with diabetes,
heart disease and dementia of

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the last several years.
And, you know, it was really

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sad, but we knew it was coming
on Sunday when I left to go over

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there.
We knew that this would be the

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week or that would be the week
and just she was in a really bad

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place.
But my brother and I, my family,

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it was great to be surrounded by
by all my cousins and nieces and

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nephews this past week.
But my mother is finally at

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peace.
And that's what we look to is

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that she's resting now and no
longer in pain and agony and

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suffering.
It was a beautiful service.

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And so I thank you all for
letting me take the time off.

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I'm glad to be back.
I'm glad to be back to some form

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of normalcy last week because
very long and hard week for a

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lot of different reasons, but
I'm certainly glad to get back

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to get back to normalcy here.
Thank you.

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I'm sure you're welcome, Sid.
And yeah, I'm glad that she is

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at peace.
Now, as you were sharing that

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particular moment, I got chills.
I got goosebumps, which to me,

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yes, I am a little bit woo, a
little bit spiritual.

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That's a sign that she's with us
and confirmation that she is at

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peace.
So whether that sticks with you

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or not Sid, it sticks with me
and we're we are so glad that

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you're back and that she is at
peace.

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OK with that Couple other
housekeeping things before we

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get to Jonathan's obsession
worthy podcast series here on

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the podcasting morning chat.
We have another episode to

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evaluate this Thursday.
This a lot of times comes from

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our own audience and sometimes
outside of our audience as well.

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We've got a dozen, dozen and a
half different entries, and

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we've gone through a handful of
them so far this week.

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We are evaluating somebody else
from the Empowered Podcasting

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Conference community.
His name is Michael Messner.

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His show is called Carefree
Highway Revisited.

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The show's focus is on the songs
of singer-songwriter from the

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1970s, Gordon Lightfoot.
So we will, it's about 1/2 hour

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episode.
I will share, Don't worry team,

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I'll share with you links.
As far as how to listen, you can

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find it on Pod Beam and wherever
you find your podcasts.

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Again, the name of this show is
Carefree Highway Revisited.

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Something a little different
again for us.

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We haven't done a music style
podcast yet, so we will do that

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on Thursday and link to that
episode.

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We'll evaluate.
We'll be in the show notes for

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everyone to listen to prior to
Thursday if you so choose.

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Now, before we dig in to the
show, if you guys remember, and

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it's funny, Cliff is here too,
because I think we talked a

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little bit about this on last
week during the evaluation

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episode.
I talked about how I want to

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include more transitions, things
to really help separate from

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segment to segment, etcetera.
And I had a little fun over the

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weekend.
Now I'm going to say I used Sora

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to help me create some jingles
and you may be thinking why

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would you do that?
There's also Suno who what an

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app we've been talking about as
far as creating music.

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And yes, I did use that too.
I actually wasn't as happy with

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what happened.
So how am I using a video

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generation AI tool to make a
Jingle?

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I tell it that I want 3 to 4
singers to sing at a microphone

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a Jingle.
I'm actually adding vocals and

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I'm not saying I'm using any of
these, but I thought this would

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be fun to share and share the
experiment with you to help you

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maybe think about creatively how
you can consider using AI.

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So these are, if you guys
remember, especially those of

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you from say seventies, 80s and
90s, a lot of radio stations

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would play jingles with three,
four part harmonies.

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Jam Productions is the name of,
of really popularly used company

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back in the day to do these, to
produce these for you.

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They got the singers, they
helped you create those harmony

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stingers, jingles, etcetera.
BC you know what I'm talking

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about right?
Sure.

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Absolutely.
Yeah, Not really.

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I'm sorry, no.
OK, well then maybe I should

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just go ahead and play.
So here's what I did.

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I'll just play a couple of these
for you.

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And I am open to feedback
because again, I'm not married

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to any of these.
I just thought let's have some

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fun with these.
So here's the first little

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Jingle.
Oh, and I should say we're using

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news and comment for the Jingle.
In other words, that's that's

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what this would be applied for
too, I should say.

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And again, probably not going to
necessarily use these, but just

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needed some kind of segment to
make this thing happen.

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So here you go.
Clip one of the news and comment

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Jingle.
It's a little drawn out there

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for the word chat.
Yeah, BC go ahead.

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OK, now I remember there I used
I come from Illinois and I

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remember Jingle 4K one O 4.7.
So I got you.

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Now I got you.
Nice, nice vibrato in that one

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too.
Nice job there BC All right, so

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that was the first one, Dr. I'm
so surprised you haven't chimed

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in yet.
I'll play the second one.

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What do you think, Dr. I like
the first one better than this

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one.
Yeah, I agree with you.

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I agree with you.
Here's the third one.

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News.
And comment on the podcasting

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morning.
Chat.

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Now that one I kind of like.
It's short and sweet.

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I like that, 'cause it's short,
yeah.

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Yeah, OK.
And here's the other one, news

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and comments on the.
Podcasting morning.

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Chat.
Oh, you like that one?

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They're very long.
They are, but this third bumper,

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that third one wasn't terribly
long on the podcasting.

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Morning.
Chat that's like four or five.

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Seconds.
Yeah, I like that very much.

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You know, what I was thinking is
that you know how some of us

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tend to go on a rant every now
and then?

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I think you need one for And
that's today's rant or something

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like.
That yes, now, now we're getting

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creative.
That I could not think of clever

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ideas to apply to this.
That's why I did news and

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comment.
That's I'm gonna have to

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brainstorm with all of you
because that's a great idea.

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I love that.
Sid, I saw you had something.

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Go ahead.
Yeah, those are fun to listen

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to.
I'm just wondering, Mark, what

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would they be like if you took
out the podcasting morning chat

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phrase, like just like news and
comment?

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Because on the radio they don't
say news and comment from W

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blah, blah, blah, blah, one or
whatever, right?

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They just say news and comments.
So I wonder what it would be

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like if he took out the name of
the show because we all know

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where we are listening.
True, good point.

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I could play with that as well.
The Suno ones were really long.

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Dr. talk about these being long,
but I, it was really, it's

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really hard to hear you by the
way, can I do something in the

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prompt?
Yes, I, I did something in the

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prompt.
I really actually, I was

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specific about how long to make
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What I noticed was Sora is
better at following those

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directions as far as length
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Then then Suno it would not
follow my directions no matter

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what I did as far as length
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As far as using the the right
lyrics and the style music that

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did good job, not so much as far
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So I'll keep playing with that.
I kind of wondered, going off of

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DRS idea, if it'd be more funny
to be a bit more sarcastic about

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the rants and say that was
today's Ted talk.

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Yeah, right.
Oh, that's good.

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That's good, yeah.
I like that too.

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OK, So we are getting somewhere
as we head into 2026.

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That's one of my goals is to try
to get some different types of

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segways, transitions, etcetera.
And I'll probably have a

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variation.
I have to have some kind of

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harmony like one of these.
It just brings me back to my

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radio, my love of radio and I.
You know the first thing, the

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first thing I thought of when
this started, this conversation

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started, was do you remember
when Billy and Sid got into a

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thing?
Yes, Which time?

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Yes, exactly.
So we need to do one for Sid and

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Billy.
Yes, I think that's that's a

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good idea.
I will play, continue to play

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and feel free to send along any
ideas any of you have.

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Cliff, what did you think?
I haven't even gone to you yet.

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What did you think?
Well, my concerned about using

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audio jingles and things like
that is that sometimes it can

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distract from the content and I
definitely feel like it can get

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old if it's overused.
Agreed.

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I shared this last time, but
I'll just share with you.

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This is what I do to separate
segments.

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I'll just say, OK, so now we're
going to talk about this.

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Yeah, I really like that and I
will absolutely be adding some

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of that too.
And I know you had those custom

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made.
So either I got to do that or go

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find some free ones which I know
are around and available.

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But great idea.
That sounds very much what like

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one of my mentors, David Hooper,
does as well.

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Yeah, David and I go way back.
Absolutely.

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Then if you're searching for
them, they're just called

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bumpers or stingers.
Yep, absolutely.

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OK, cool.
So there you go.

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If anybody wants to play around
with that, you could do my way

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or you could just go look for
different bumpers or Stingers.

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Just Google it, YouTube it.
You'll find something.

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And I know Audio Jungle, I think
I've found some of those

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available there as well.
Cliff, you want to play a little

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music transition for me.
All right now we are going to

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get into the meat of today's
show with our obsession Worthy

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Podcast of the week, and that
one is Everything is Alive and I

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will hand it over to Jonathan in
a second.

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Everything Alive is one of those
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gets into people's heads.
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it, especially, I feel that way
and Jonathan's going to

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breakdown, break this all down
for us and help connect the dots

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for how we can apply these ideas
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So Jonathan, do you want to take
take it away and help set things

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up for us?
Why don't we play the You have

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the start of the episode, right?
Just to get people an idea what

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this is all about.
You got it.

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Let me do that for you.
Here we go.

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Hello, my name is Maeve and I
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Brooklyn, NY.
I'm stopping it there because I

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realized we should really set
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This show, Everything is Alive,
is actually improved.

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I don't know how many people
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that were listening coming into
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It is highly improvised,
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The guest acts as an inanimate
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And the idea here is that the
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inanimate object to learn more
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And today's episode that we're
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the lamppost, and her name is
Maeve.

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So here it is again.
I don't know if you how you

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chose me out of all the other
lampposts because a lot of

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people are like they're all the
same, but I I'm glad that you

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did.
I think you made the right

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choice because I wouldn't say
you know that I'm better than

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them, but I would say I'm
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good.
I'm pretty tall.

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I guess you might have walked
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Hopefully not.
People sometimes tie their dogs

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on a leash to me.
I also am a holder of notices,

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so people who are looking for
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and you'll find those stuck on
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Regardless of whether or not
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going to be shining.
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Some people really are scared of
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Think about that.
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opens.
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a commercial after the
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That's what plays.
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an improvised show.
The host, Ian, I don't know how

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to Do you know how to pronounce
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Jonathan.
Schulag, something along those

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lines.
I did a little research.

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He has a set of questions or
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in, but he acknowledges that
some of those scenes the the

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there some scenes are thought up
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And he says that sometimes they
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So he just scraps them all
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So it really is he just has his
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you might in a real life
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And then he sits down and
interviews the guest, the

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lamppost, and she improvises all
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OK.
Go ahead, Jonathan.

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So the host, obviously he's
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The inanimate objects are voiced
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conversations kind of unfold and
there's surprising tenderness to

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some of these conversations,
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as well as, you know, it's like,
it seems absurd, but it becomes

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philosophical.
It's a very interesting journey

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you take with this, with this
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I think the biggest thing that I
got out of this is they have

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this one bold creative rule, and
that is that they're

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interviewing inanimate objects.
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the entire identity of this
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And it's instantly recognizable.
It's actually really, really

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flexible, but it still keeps the
podcast controlled in a way.

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So whether they're interviewing
a soda can or a light post or a

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Sharpie, it still has an
interesting and it twist that it

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can go on.
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being improved it helps that,
but it really highlights the

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fact that if you've got a bold
creative idea and you're like,

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not you're holding back because
you're worried about criticism,

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you can actually jump in and try
that bold creative idea for your

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podcast because it can't be any
crazier than interviewing a

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light lamp post.
Yeah, that's true.

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So I mean, I think that for me
is like the biggest, one of the

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biggest lessons is why am I
holding back on things?

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If I've got a big idea, let me
give it a shot because you can

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build your brand around 1
unforgettable constraint.

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That's how the concept turns
into cult following like that.

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I'm wondering if anybody has
like a big idea they've been

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holding back on?
I don't know if I personally

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have a specific big idea for
well, I've been sharing some

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ideas for the podcast moving
forward, but I don't know that I

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have a creative idea like that
in mind for this show right now.

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But I will say it did get my
mind, my mind churnin.

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I started thinking it would be
cool to once in awhile do an

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episode similar to that.
But it in relate in relation to

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podcasting, right?
Like interviewing a podcast

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microphone, we're interviewing a
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that, and giving the credit, of
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But I've I felt inspired to want
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Before we hear other answers,
I'm also curious what everyone's

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first impressions were when you
listened to Everything Is Alive.

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Yeah, Ralph, I'll go to you
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Go ahead.
Honestly, I was like, what is

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this?
I'm glad you told me it was

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improv now because the whole
weekend, since I listened to

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that, I'm like, have these folks
lost their mind?

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I'm just being honest with you.
I was like, what did I just

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hear?
It was definitely outside of my

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normal things that I would
listen to.

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But now that you've told me
that, now it tends to make sense

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and I'll go look at listen to
some others.

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But made my first impression was
like, what in the world am I

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listening to?
OK, that's fair.

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Yeah.
And some people who have been

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joining the podcasting morning
chat for an extended period of

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time may remember that.
Dominic Lawson.

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I should say award-winning
podcaster Dominic Lawson because

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he's won so many.
He did an episode like

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Everything Is Alive for Sid and
Sid's podcast.

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Sid, What was the inanimate
object that Dominic portrayed?

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So it's funny that you said
that, Mark, because as Jonathan

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was talking, I'd remembered that
episode that Dominic did.

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He did it as a way to show me
how a narrative podcast could

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work when we talk about office
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And he used a desk chair, and he
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from the beginning of the
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To the transition of the
business and it just was great

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to have all these little squeaky
sounds in it and it just the the

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the audio to it, the sound
production.

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This word has to be forward to
it was really cool.

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I'll go find it and put a link
into the startup, see if you

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wanted to go listen to it's like
a 12 minute episode.

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It's just really good and just
showed you what's possible.

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But it was a desk chair.
That's right and I found it so

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I've just shared it in the chat.
You're welcome.

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It is episode 143.
The Silent Pop partner is the

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name of the episode, so go check
that out for sure.

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You can hear somebody else
getting creative about it and

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let's see BC did you want to
share first impressions?

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So I'll preface by saying I did
what?

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Listen to the cola can episode
but by mistake.

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But I got to say that was a
phenomenally framed show.

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I mean, it was.
It was funny because getting a

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new perspective on human
existentialism from an aluminum

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based life form was not on my
2025 bingo card.

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But my initial impressions were
like, I thought of like Bowen

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Yang from SNL.
If anyone else doesn't watch

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SNL, he got some momentum in his
career when he portrayed the

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iceberg that sink the Titanic,
and he was being interviewed as

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the iceberg itself.
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show, much to what Jonathan
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cool depth to it.
And the last time I heard a

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podcast that was kind of
packaged that way, they're

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typically discussing either
philosophy, like you said, or

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like the breakdown of the
institution of religion.

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It's a usually a really deep
topic, but this kind of

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existential from an inanimate
object was really quite genius.

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Agreed, yes BCI have not heard
the soda can episode yet and

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I've heard about that episode.
I think it's a really popular 1

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so that doesn't surprise me.
I'll have to go back to listen.

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I will say the last 1010 minutes
of that episode had me clutching

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my pearls a little bit.
Prepare for it when you go to

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Washington.
Wow.

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All right, cool.
We'll see.

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There you go.
That's exactly what we're

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talking about here.
These that that's why or what

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makes this podcast so powerful,
and we'll keep digging in

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further to really unveil all of
that.

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But Ashley had something and Dr.
had something.

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Go ahead, Ashley.
I thought it was hysterical.

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I loved it.
I think how they brought the

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music in suddenly about 1/4 way
through when they brought it

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back was a great touch.
And anytime a creator does

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something that's somewhat silly
in a serious tone, I think it

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makes it even more funnier.
So that's my first impression.

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All right, cool.
Thank you, Ashley.

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Dr. Go ahead.
Ashley stole one of my things

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that's, you know, 'cause you and
I talked from backstage about

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it.
But I, you know, when I hear

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something like this, my mind
just reels.

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Number one, it was very NPRish.
And I mean that in the best

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sense of the word.
The other thing is the choices

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that they made are always
interesting to me.

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For instance, they could have
chosen any actress, but they

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chose an actress with an Irish
robe.

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And she opens up by saying, I
live in New York City.

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So there's, you know, there's
that thing going on that why,

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gosh, why did they choose that?
They got Bill Curtis, who is one

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of the foremost journalistic
narrating voices that the world

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has ever known.
Yeah, and by the way, one that

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more people will know when I say
it, he's the narrator in

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Anchorman the movie.
Yeah, and he just came in to

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read maybe 3 or 4 lines and that
was it.

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But the music, the music really
got my mind spinning.

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Well, number one, just where
they chose to come in, like

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during the their long their
episode, those certain places

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where they chose to come in, it
seemed so perfect, but there

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were a lot of perfect places for
music to come in that they

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didn't come in.
So I'm I would love to open up

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the mind of the person who
actually made this choice and

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why this choice was made.
And the music seemed really

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perfect, just perfect.
Just the a couple of chords over

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and over again.
I can.

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Play that example for you that
that you had given me before the

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show.
I I don't mind playing it

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jumping ahead real.
Quick.

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Yeah.
And also, by the way, I agree

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with you, The accent, not a
complaint by any stretch.

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And it threw me off a little bit
because I was, when she said she

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was from New York, I was, I was
wanting that New York accent.

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But maybe that was the choice.
Maybe that's why, just to throw

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us off a little bit.
Right, right.

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All right, here's now here's the
example of, in DRS opinion, a

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good use of music.
On the humans heads.

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It does seem like the sort of
the wrong.

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It seems like the wrong
solution.

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To the.
Problem.

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I think a much better solution
would be to put foam over a

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person's head because so many
people like don't seem to see

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me, you know, and it's almost
like, guys, I'm right here.

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It's been a long time thinking
I'd be discovered.

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Yeah, that's really just well
placed.

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You really feel it?
Yeah.

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Yep.
I just loved it.

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And by the way, you had said
before at the opening of our

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show is that they had some
scenes that they, you know,

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threw out and stuff like this.
Well, yes, they did.

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And a matter of fact, you can
hear them on the December 10th,

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2018 episode.
It's a bonus episode of the

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Outtakes.
Oh cool.

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Oh, I.
And it's the outtakes of the of

451
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,240
the whole season.
It's outtakes of the whole

452
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,000
season.
Oh, cool.

453
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,160
All right, Dr. get us that link,
would you?

454
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:16,720
We'll put that in the show
notes, too.

455
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,760
OK, let's get back.
Oh, wait.

456
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,880
First let's go to Sid, and then
we'll get back to Jonathan.

457
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,040
Go ahead, Sid.
I was familiar with this show.

458
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,560
Thank you for reminding me,
Jonathan, that I was because I

459
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,960
was with him on Chatter when he
talked about the soda can

460
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,600
episode, and I love the soda can
episode.

461
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,080
But I just wanted to comment.
I think what I like about this

462
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,600
show is it's an escape.
It's an escape from news, from

463
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,560
politics, from education, from
professional development.

464
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,920
If you just want to listen to a
story and just be entertained by

465
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,880
a lamppost or a soda can.
I just think it's a great thing

466
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,440
to be able to do right just to
sit back and listen to a story

467
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,240
that's created by actors and
improv.

468
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,440
So I really like that aspect of
it.

469
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,920
I also think it's going to
challenge your first second.

470
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,560
I think it are you and you too
about like using our

471
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,800
imagination.
So yes, the lamppost said she

472
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,280
was from New York and she came
up with an Irish accent, but she

473
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,840
could have been made in Ireland
and then assembled in New York

474
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,680
and New York is her home, right?
So I think it just gives you

475
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,880
that ability to be super
creative with it.

476
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,160
And I just think it's a really
unique way to do a podcast

477
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,440
that's just kind of fun and
interesting and a step back from

478
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,400
the norm.
Agreed.

479
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,600
Thank you, Sid.
And yeah, good point To allow

480
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,960
our imaginations to wander a
little bit and not just stick to

481
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,640
the very first thing.
In fact, that's what they teach

482
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,160
us in improv.
When we're given a scene and

483
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,720
we're told to think, you know,
we're we're given whatever that

484
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,880
scene is, we're told whatever
the first thing that comes to

485
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,040
mind is scrap it and go to the
next thing.

486
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,440
It's an exercise to help us dig
deeper, get more creative.

487
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,600
I love that you said that.
Thank you, Sid.

488
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,520
And let's bring it back to
Jonathan.

489
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,840
Jonathan, where do you want to
go here?

490
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,320
So you did just play the first
clip, but I'm going to do a

491
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,160
little setup for that, which is
at first we're thinking this

492
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,320
entire like this is an absurd
thing.

493
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,360
We're we're listening to a light
post talk about being a light

494
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,240
post and what their life is
like.

495
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,120
But that absurdity actually
becomes like the gateway into

496
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,000
something really, really
interesting.

497
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:26,640
So in the this episode, it's,
you know, they're joking about

498
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,480
lampposts needing to be padded
or padding the human heads,

499
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,160
which is absurd.
But the segment ends, and I'm

500
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,840
not sure if you got to the end
of that one fully, but it ends

501
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,520
with her saying, because so many
people don't seem to see me, you

502
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,000
know, it's been a long time
thinking I'll be discovered and

503
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,440
not being noticed.
That line there, I mean, it's a

504
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,600
universal human desire.
We all want to be seen.

505
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,960
And the lamppost is making it,
you know, filling in and making

506
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,040
a lot of listeners feel seen
because that's how sometimes we

507
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,520
feel.
We're trying to get noticed and

508
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,120
nobody's noticing us.
So bringing that universal, you

509
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,800
know, that moment in it goes
from this is absurd.

510
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,760
We're talking about people
needing to have padding on their

511
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,720
heads so they don't walk into a
light post, but it's about her

512
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,120
being seen.
I love that.

513
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,720
Thank you, Jonathan.
Yeah, I wasn't even thinking

514
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,720
that through.
And yeah, now that you say that,

515
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,560
what a what a real human moment
for for an inanimate object.

516
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,800
My question is, is there a part
of your podcast you can tie back

517
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,880
to a universal human experience
to get to make it relatable to

518
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,240
people and allow them to see see
your podcast in a unique way?

519
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,440
I'll start while everyone else
is thinking about that for a

520
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,040
moment.
And I think for some people

521
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,840
that'll be a hard question to
answer because I believe there

522
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,840
are a lot of podcasters out
there that are really just

523
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,560
sticking to the facts, right?
Just getting you the value that

524
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,200
you need.
And they're not really bringing

525
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,000
in that human side of them
necessarily.

526
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000
And I'm, this isn't a blanket
statement, right?

527
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,120
It's just from a lot of podcasts
that I've heard.

528
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,240
But for me, this may not shock a
lot of you, but I think me

529
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,720
sharing all year long the
journey I've had with ADHD and

530
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,560
getting off the medication and
sharing the struggles along the

531
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,680
way, I think that's that's an
example of showing that human

532
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,320
side.
Does anyone else do that here?

533
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,880
Do you actually show that human
side?

534
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,080
Yeah, BC go ahead.
And if you have an example,

535
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,880
please share.
For my show and overall, I've

536
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,400
got a bunch of incredible guests
and they share their

537
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,280
backstories.
We we've discussed moments in

538
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,880
their lives from growing up with
certain challenges like dyslexia

539
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,320
to losing people, to all these
things that help kind of trigger

540
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,000
their pivotal journey into their
entrepreneurialism.

541
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,760
And myself personally, I've
always tried to be very honest

542
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,680
with my shortcomings.
I've been honest about times

543
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,680
when I've been fired, about
times when I've been very stupid

544
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,480
and where I've had overdue
learning moments.

545
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,480
So I've always tried to make
that element a, a kind of

546
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,760
cornerstone part of the
foundation so that at the very

547
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,760
least if I misstep on providing
the proper insights to

548
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,360
entrepreneurs or giving an
actionable suggestion, at the

549
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,560
very least there's some kind of
human to human connection basis.

550
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,400
At the very least that that's
always been my attempt.

551
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,480
At the very least.
NBCI got a little distracted so

552
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,440
admittedly I may have missed
something, so please forgive me.

553
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:36,840
And do you stop and focus on you
and your human side at all or do

554
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,240
you mainly kind of put that on
the guest?

555
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,000
That's a good question.
I think typically I kind of put

556
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,480
that onus on the guest a bit
more.

557
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:50,000
I do try to find times as I
listen to them to see, oh, have

558
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,040
I had that moment before myself.
So I can, you know, also give a

559
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,160
bit more of myself.
But I do think it might be a bit

560
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,120
more on the onus of my guest who
tends to have to bring a bit

561
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,800
more of that.
Awesome.

562
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,960
Thank you for sharing that.
And yeah, I don't think there's

563
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,400
a right or wrong answer.
I think the more important

564
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,000
approach is that we do create
those human connections.

565
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,560
So it's not a knock or anything.
And I do think that it's helpful

566
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,200
for any host to really bring
their own personal challenges,

567
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,800
struggles, experiences, bring
that into the mix as well.

568
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,800
Because again, like we, we say
people, what, what, what's the

569
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,160
phrase?
People comfort the guests, they

570
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,120
stay for the host.
And if that's the case, we've

571
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,840
got to give them reasons to keep
coming back for us too.

572
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,800
Dr. Did you have something?
I did, but I have a question for

573
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,640
you.
Sure.

574
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,800
So seeing how open you have been
with us all year about your

575
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:54,240
ADHD, valleys and mountains and
hills that you've been sharing,

576
00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:00,320
maybe your stress level when it
came to the conference, the

577
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,320
problems that you've had with
sleep, things like that, which

578
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,480
animate inanimate object do you
think you would be?

579
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,040
That's a great question.
The first thing that came to

580
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,920
mind was an alarm clock.
But the problem is, is that I

581
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,960
don't really use an alarm clock.
I use my phone.

582
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,000
So it might be my phone, it
might be my phone, because my

583
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,640
phone connects me with all of
those different challenges in

584
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,480
some way, right?
It might connect me with my

585
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,640
coach or a therapist.
You know, I did, I think I even

586
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,600
shared I did EMDR therapy
earlier this year and I managed

587
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,200
and managed that with the doctor
through my phone, through text

588
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,120
conversations, phone
conversations, etcetera.

589
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,680
So I might choose my phone.
Plus your phone holds all the

590
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,480
memories with all the pictures
that it has.

591
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,000
Sure, sure.
Maybe it's almost too easy to

592
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,840
choose my phone.
It might be.

593
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,520
That's a great question.
And if anyone else has a wants

594
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,160
to play along with that question
too, by all means, let's hear

595
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:56,520
it.
What?

596
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,880
What inanimate object would you
be?

597
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,520
All right, let's keep it moving.
Jonathan, take it away.

598
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,960
Yes, no problem.
So the lesson I think in this

599
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,000
particular clip, in this thing
that I as a take away is to

600
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,440
always bring it back to your
audience.

601
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,280
What do you want them to hear?
Or more importantly, what do you

602
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,360
want them to feel?
Because relatability is a huge

603
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,360
connector.
And if you can get your audience

604
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,000
to say, Oh my God, that's so me,
you're building a fan for life.

605
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,440
I agree wholeheartedly.
If you can find a way to bring

606
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,239
it back and make it relatable,
make somebody feel something,

607
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,440
which this particular clip did,
it may.

608
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,800
It brought us back to wanting to
be seen.

609
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,600
You know, if you can create
something like that in your

610
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,719
podcast, that's going to be a
very strong piece of content

611
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,080
that is going to get people to
connect with your show.

612
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,560
These shows are kind of like the
hero's journey formula, right?

613
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,400
The character, the hero is the
guest.

614
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,800
And when the guest is sharing
moments like that, like that

615
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,600
example you you just provided.
Yeah, I mean, that's tying us to

616
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,040
that hero.
It's connecting us to the hero

617
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,520
of the story.
We're relating to the hero of

618
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,680
the story.
Yeah.

619
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,720
Great point, Jonathan.
All right, so I'm going to set

620
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:10,840
up the second clip, which is
honestly, norms got thrown out

621
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,160
the window with this inner
interview because it's an

622
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,320
interview, but it's not
necessarily totally an

623
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,400
interview.
There's a lot of collaborative

624
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,520
creation that's happening.
And this particular clip is a

625
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,080
break in the episode where the
host asked the lamppost if they

626
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,960
wanted to create a movie right
there as part of the interview.

627
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,160
So we land on this kind of
thoughtful and tender moment

628
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,160
that we're going to play next
and.

629
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,000
Then like maybe one of them says
to the other, honey, I'm sorry,

630
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,720
I don't have any money to take
you to the movies.

631
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,440
May have seized the couple so in
love without a dime in their

632
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,160
pockets.
OK, and then and then what does?

633
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,240
What happens with my character?
Well, I think you know that it's

634
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,040
a movie, so you can kind of do
whatever you want.

635
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,840
Her light flickers a bit.
With an idea.

636
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,360
She bends at her waist.
Something she can do now

637
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,000
because, well.
This is a movie.

638
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,880
She leans all the way down till
she's doubled over.

639
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,960
She offers her lamp for them to
sit on.

640
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,560
Come on, you 2, let me show you
something.

641
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,320
The couple looks at each other
and sits down on Maeve's lamp.

642
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,920
She raises herself up to her
full height.

643
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,840
They look across the street and
see Singing in the Rain just

644
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,280
starting on the TVI.
Hope you like it.

645
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,160
The couple holds hands and
watches the movie.

646
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,320
And that was Bill Curtis,
actually, right?

647
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,720
Dr. That was the the voice you
were referring to.

648
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,440
So good all.
Right, Jonathan?

649
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,640
First of all, I was going to
mention here the way that they

650
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,400
created they did.
The sound is brilliant.

651
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,000
It just brings you in each time
they they add something else,

652
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,360
you're like, oh, and so you're
really enthralled, honestly,

653
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,600
with what's happening here.
And I think they did a

654
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,760
phenomenal job with that.
And we go from like the standard

655
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,680
interview moment to this fiction
that's being created with the

656
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,360
host and the guest kind of
joining forces with the third

657
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,640
narrator in that creation, the
moment.

658
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,600
And that breaks the rules of a
standard interview.

659
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,760
Like that's not something that
would happen if you're just

660
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,520
talking to somebody you, you
know.

661
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,280
So it keeps the listener engaged
and allows for the format to be

662
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,600
repeatable because you can break
off in these different things

663
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,640
for each different object,
whether you're a soda can or a

664
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,000
Sharpie, whatever you might be.
So really does give the podcast

665
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,720
a lot of depth.
And the lesson here is that

666
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,000
every niche has rules.
Learn them and know when it's

667
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,520
time to break them so you can
create your own magic.

668
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,000
So explore all the different
angles that are available to you

669
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,560
to tell a unique story that will
connect with your audience.

670
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,400
Thank you, Jonathan.
I think that's a great point.

671
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,120
And Dr. Do you want to share the
little nugget you just shared

672
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,000
with me?
It was actually Tim in the chat.

673
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,960
I thought how in the world did
they get Tim Curtis not to Bill,

674
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,120
Bill Curtis to to do this just
coming for a couple of lines,

675
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,320
but Tim actually made the
connection.

676
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,440
The producer of this also
produces for Wait Wait Don't

677
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,320
Tell Me.
And Bill Curtis is the announcer

678
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,160
for that show.
So it is a connection there.

679
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,840
All in the family, Yeah.
Yes, All right, cool.

680
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,080
Good little trivia back then.
Thank you, Tim for bringing that

681
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,840
up.
Tim also in the chat says here

682
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:41,160
the key to good design is not to
have is not sorry, is to not

683
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,560
have the audience notice.
In my opinion, as a designer,

684
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,320
yeah, you want it to just kind
of be feel so natural and not

685
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,880
overdone, not overused.
Yeah.

686
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,560
The only reason why we're even
noticing it is because we're in

687
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,920
the business.
Yes, yes, agreed.

688
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,560
All right, Jonathan, go ahead.
I want to go into the last clip

689
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,440
that I have.
The third clip is really about

690
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,120
all the little details that make
a big impact.

691
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,200
And then, you know, this clip,
she's particularly talking about

692
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,280
what it's like to live in her
neighborhood when she says I

693
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,720
watched lives happen, but I
don't get one.

694
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,480
And she talks about what it's
like to stand in one place and

695
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:21,760
watch the neighborhood over
time.

696
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,360
So she describes people growing
up, couples coming and going,

697
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,720
the city changing around her and
all of this.

698
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:33,880
The small details that go into
this that make this podcast so

699
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,760
powerful because you realize
that she's not just a lamppost.

700
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,720
You want to hit that third clip.
I see a lot of dates happening,

701
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,080
which is when 2 humans are
figuring out whether you know

702
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,440
they will or not.
They will or not.

703
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,920
Right.
I actually am not, it's not

704
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,720
clear to me what they're working
on, but there's some question

705
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:59,920
between them which is like, you
know, will we or won't we?

706
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,760
Seems to be a big issue around
lamppost and often they lean

707
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,000
against me to figure it out.
Like they're pressing against

708
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,080
each other and they're pushing
their mouths on each other and

709
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,280
they're like, will we won't we
do want to?

710
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,040
I don't know.
And so that's kind of like

711
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,360
interesting to make them like
make up your minds.

712
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,600
Get off me.
You know, if the answer to that

713
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,440
question will they or won't
they?

714
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,960
Yeah, Is that they will.
Right.

715
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,920
You have kind of played a
formative role in their lives.

716
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,880
You know the the question is
will will they be together?

717
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,480
Yeah, I do have some role in
that and I do like the thought,

718
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,920
I guess, of, you know, being an
important part of someone's

719
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,200
destiny, a person's destiny.
Love that clip so much Jonathan.

720
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,960
That's a great one.
You know, she's reflecting on,

721
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,720
you know, how she's part of
everybody's life, but not really

722
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,040
in anyone's life.
And that's, you know, a really

723
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,120
powerful statement and
something, again, that goes back

724
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,680
to that human connection.
And it's really like this quiet,

725
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,400
reflective tone where you're you
forget that she's a lamppost and

726
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,680
you're just listening to
somebody who's painfully aware

727
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,800
of like, how things change and
time passing.

728
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:22,280
And it the huge emotional range
on this one little clip, you

729
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,080
know, because you start, and
this is a little bit after the

730
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,200
start of the episode, you start
and you're like, you're a little

731
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,440
bit like, OK, this is weird.
This lamppost has opinions.

732
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,520
She's, you know, doing all these
things and like, OK, but now

733
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,080
you're actually suddenly
thinking about things like the

734
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,520
passage of time and how you're a
background character in other

735
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,840
people's lives when you want to
be the main character.

736
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,520
You know, all of these things
that come through that are truly

737
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,760
human, real human emotions.
What can people here and not?

738
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,880
This is not just for Jonathan,
this is for everybody.

739
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,720
What can we really take away
from a show like this?

740
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,880
Because I know this, the idea
here isn't to convince everybody

741
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,320
to stop what they're doing and
start doing more shows like

742
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,880
this.
What's a lesson maybe that you

743
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,200
can take away from hearing an
episode of Everything Is Alive

744
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,320
that you could apply moving
forward?

745
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,520
Yeah, Ralph, go ahead.
So the one take away I have is

746
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,320
maybe do a better job at Theater
of the mind, because that

747
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,600
definitely was what I heard
there.

748
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,440
Like I said, this was way
outside of the normal things I

749
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,440
listened to, so it was really a
challenge for me to connect with

750
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,440
it.
But now that I've listened to

751
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,680
everybody's comments today and
I've really dug in deep to this,

752
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,080
I'm like, this is actually kind
of cool.

753
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,400
So I think that we all can learn
from ways to enhance our

754
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,080
connection with our listeners by
playing more theater than mind

755
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,560
games.
Agreed.

756
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,320
Yeah.
Something to be said, too, about

757
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,400
the host.
And he does prepare ahead of

758
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,880
time.
And he, but, you know, think

759
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,680
about the questions that he's
asking is really helping guide

760
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,080
the direction of the show.
And he's also, as I shared at

761
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,880
the beginning, sometimes he's
just improvising as well.

762
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,240
You know, he has his prepared
themes, his prepared questions,

763
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,600
but sometimes it goes in a
different direction because the

764
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,440
guest is improvising and he has
to go with it.

765
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,760
And I thought he does a
fantastic job of asking really

766
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,800
good questions that brings out
these really introspective

767
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,160
answers.
And that actually brings apart

768
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,720
another part to what you're
saying, Mark, And that is if

769
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,760
you're doing an interview show,
I think we have to sometimes

770
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,680
drop the script and drop the pre
plan questions and let the the

771
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,240
guests take it where it's going
to go because there's some

772
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,880
beauty in that sometimes.
I mean, I think you have to rein

773
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,480
them in sometimes.
But I think sometimes as an

774
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,960
interview host, we get set on,
well, I want to ask this, I

775
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,520
don't want to ask this, I'm
going to ask this.

776
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,000
But sometimes we need to take a
step back and just let the thing

777
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,160
evolve.
I agree.

778
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,640
Thank you, Ralph.
Yeah, Jonathan.

779
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,160
Yeah.
And I think one thing that we

780
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,000
can take away from this podcast
is it's not we don't need bigger

781
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,480
guests.
We don't need, you know, more

782
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,440
razzle dazzle.
What we need is a sharp premise

783
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,600
and to remember to tie back to
humanity.

784
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,640
The people that are listening,
what do they want to hear?

785
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,920
What do you want them to feel?
If you tie it back to the

786
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,760
people, then you're going to be
able to connect so.

787
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,200
Yeah, a strong format doesn't
have to look traditional, and

788
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,760
what matters, in my opinion, is
the clarity and commitment

789
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,160
behind it.
Structure and improv can live

790
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,200
together if you give yourself a
solid container for it.

791
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,720
That's exactly what this podcast
does is it creates a strong

792
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:34,840
container for them to play
around with these these objects,

793
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,360
you know, they can play and each
object can be something

794
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,240
different and, and comment on
something human in a different

795
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:42,560
way.
And I think that's what this

796
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,120
this podcast does.
It creates a really strong

797
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,920
container.
Agreed.

798
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,080
What it's showing is, is that
your point of view, in my

799
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,480
opinion, is the real character
of your show.

800
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,640
I want people to lean into that
and editing is not clean up,

801
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,200
right.
Editing is part of the

802
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,960
storytelling.
It's where the episode becomes

803
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,560
the episode.
So you know you that's where

804
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,560
you're going to put in the the
music, like Dr. had pointed out,

805
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,240
to really help create emotion.
I think that that can be done in

806
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,280
a more traditional style podcast
interview.

807
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,360
Specifically, you can add music
to help create emotion.

808
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Most of all, I think that this
show reminds me that creative

809
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,760
risks can play, can pay off when
they're rooted in intention.

810
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,240
And this show is all about
intention.

811
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,160
So that's what I got out of it.
And if anybody else has any

812
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,240
thoughts, by all means, now's
the time.

813
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,480
If not, Jonathan, I'm going to
hand it back to you.

814
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,880
I definitely think that what you
said is like if taking that risk

815
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,960
and showing up as yourself in
your podcast in a unique way is

816
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,400
a powerful way to show up.
And I think that we all have the

817
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,200
ability to do it a little bit
more than what we might be doing

818
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,640
it in the past because I don't
think we've all, I don't know.

819
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,560
I know that I've tried push
myself a little bit, but I

820
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,720
haven't gone all the way with my
podcasts.

821
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,240
And I know that there's other
things that I could create that

822
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,600
they might be a risk, they might
be different, but could they

823
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,840
work potentially?
I mean interviewing a coke can

824
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:20,040
works so I can.
I'm sure what I have is not that

825
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,600
crazy.
Yeah, thank you, Jonathan, and

826
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,320
thanks for another great
obsession worthy podcast

827
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,400
episode.
I'm really enjoying these and

828
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,920
we'll do we'll do these more
often down the road as well.

829
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,360
I'll let everybody know if we do
it again on Monday.

830
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,680
Jonathan has an arsenal of
different podcasts that we can

831
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,080
pick apart.
And again, this is a little

832
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,800
different than our evaluation
episodes, right?

833
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,800
We're taking the these kinds of
episodes like we just did.

834
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:54,680
These are for us to learn how we
can maybe do things a little

835
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,760
differently, right.
And then the evaluation episodes

836
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,080
is really to help other
podcasters learn what they're

837
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,000
doing really well and what areas
they could they're what areas

838
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:11,640
there's room for improvement.
And I think that both styles we

839
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,560
all can learn a lot from.
So that's why we're doing more

840
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,000
of these types of things.
And tomorrow we're going to talk

841
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,520
about private podcasting.
I know BC is doing it now.

842
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,200
Cliff is coming back.
Cliff had to leave early.

843
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,880
He sent me a message behind the
scenes saying he had to jet.

844
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,120
But he is back tomorrow along
with BC to talk a lot about

845
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,120
their experience with private
podcasting to see if is that

846
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,720
something maybe that some of us
want to start doing and why.

847
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,320
So join us tomorrow, 7:00 AM
Eastern live on Clubhouse,

848
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,920
YouTube, Facebook, chatter, all
the places.

849
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,000
And if for some reason you can't
get up that early or have

850
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,240
something else going on, just
find us at podcasting Morning

851
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:55,520
chat.com and you can pick a
variety of ways to catch up on

852
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,040
your favorite episodes.
So until tomorrow, make it a

853
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,920
great day everybody take care.