Find Your Podcast Prep Style That Actually Sticks

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Good morning podcasting Morning
chat.

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Today is Tuesday, October 17th,
2025, and today we're showcasing

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podcast prep styles across the
team.

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Get a behind the scenes look at
how different hosts prep plan or

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just record.
We'll talk about their scripting

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styles as well.
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And if you're listening via
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a fellow podcaster.
And now give me about 30 seconds

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and we'll get things rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again podcasting
morning chat.

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Thanks so much for being here.
I am your host Mark Ronik and

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currently here with me we have
Dr. Faye, Ashley Feller, Alex

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Baelish and Sid Meadows.
And as I said today we are going

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to discuss prep styles.
More importantly, we're going to

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talk about how people script
outline or how they just wing it

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because I know there are
podcasters in this community

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that does in fact wing it.
And I want to be clear, I don't

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believe there is one style
that's better than another, at

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least generally speaking.
I think everybody has a style

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and they choose a style that
works for them.

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By the way, thank you for
bearing with me, being patient

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with us.
I know that yesterday we

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technically said we were going
to do a show and we didn't

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because I was still battling
some of my insomnia issues.

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So I woke up at 1:45 AM on
Monday morning and could not go

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back to sleep no matter what I
tried.

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So this is an ongoing thing that
I am working on.

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I am committed to dealing with.
I don't know what that looks

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like yet.
Maybe I'll do sleep studies.

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I think being just real with you
guys for a minute, I think I'm

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dealing with some stress and
anxiety.

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I don't know if that's a
carryover from the stress of

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putting on the conference, but
whatever it is, I'm going to get

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to the bottom of it because I
can't keep doing it like that.

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Today.
I did wake up briefly at around

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3, was able to get back to sleep
around 4 and sleep for another

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hour or so.
So to be continued on that other

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housekeeping, Oh, I wanted to
let you know that we are

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working.
We told you last week we're

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going to start doing podcast
evaluations.

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Even though Dr. you hate that
word evaluation, but we are

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going to do those and we are
starting with a show that Dr.

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found.
Dr. you want to tell us a little

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bit about that show?
Just a sneak preview for

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Thursday because our we, you
know, our hosts, our Co hosts

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here are listening to the show,
taking notes.

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And then we're going to talk
about things that we think work

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well, things that we think could
be improved.

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We'll talk about everything
right from like their cover art

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to the actual title of their
podcast series.

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We'll break it all down for this
person.

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You want to share a little bit?
It's good that I'm sharing now

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because I would love for the
listeners to tune in so as we

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give our feedback, they can
analyze it and they'll they'll

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know what we're talking about
when we say and this part and

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that part and we're going to be
playing clips from it.

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So this particular podcaster is,
I believe she's from Australia.

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She is a professional podiatrist
and the name of her show is

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called The Runner's Soul, SOLE
Soul.

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So it's interesting.
She's got, there's a lot of

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unique things in it.
There were some surprising

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things to me, like I thought
there was some things in it that

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was really going to bother me,
but it didn't at all.

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And.
Are you giving your whole

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evaluation right now?
I'm not not being specific, I

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don't want to be specific, but
it's interesting and I hope the

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rest of our team will.
Basically, we're asking you to

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do homework and listen to it's
only 15 minutes, folks, it's

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only 15 minutes.
So if you could, please listen

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to it and join us in the
feedback.

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Yes.
Evaluation.

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Yes.
That would be great.

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So that's the runner's soul.
And you found this is the

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Hostess, Sharon Miller.
And you found this where?

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On Facebook.
And she was actually asking for

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an evaluation.
Right, that's right.

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And that's the important thing.
She we're not just choosing 1,

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you know, Willy nilly and saying
we're going to, we're going to

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evaluate your no, she's asking
for feedback.

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And by the way, if any listener
out there wants feedback on

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their podcast, and it doesn't
have to be brand new, IT could

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be you could be a seasoned
podcaster and be doing it for

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years and maybe you've hit a
slump or something and you just

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want, you know, some expert
opinions.

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That's what we're doing.
I'm excited about it.

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Yeah, me too.
I think it's a great way to do

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this show a little differently
and still help a lot of

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podcasters in the process.
I think this is yeah, you'll get

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some strong opinions and you'll
yeah, it's not maybe your show

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that we're talking about, but
you might learn a few things to

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help you along your journey with
your podcasting.

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And again, that's the runner's
soul SOLE.

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You can find that on all of your
favorite podcast platforms,

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including YouTube.
Although it is, it does seem to

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be an audio first podcast.
Check that out and then you can

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follow along even better on
Thursday.

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But we promise you, even if you
haven't listened, we're going to

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share clips.
We're going to share all the

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things about it so that you are
in the know and that you can

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follow along too.
So stay tuned for that.

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By the way, a good morning to
Matt Bliss and also to Feel

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Better, who have joined us here
on stage.

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And of course, a hello to those
of you joining us live here on

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Clubhouse and also on Chatter.
Jonathan, do we have anybody in

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the Chatter room right now?
You can be honest.

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We have three people.
Biffy, UL and Rosie are all over

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here.
Awesome.

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So welcome guys.
Welcome.

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I saw Rosie popped in here on
Clubhouse and chose to go to

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Chatter and that's cool.
Pick your choice.

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I'm not going to say Poison
because I like both platforms.

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All right, let's start things
off with an icebreaker all

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around.
Again, this topic of how we prep

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for our shows.
I'm going to go down the line.

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I did ask the the Co host here
to think about this question in

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one word.
Tell us what your your prep

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style.
One word for your prep style.

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Let's start with you, Dr. as far
as your podcast prep, one word

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for it.
And you can use this very show

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as your as your Guinea pig for
this if you'd like.

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Oh, prep, this is hard.
You didn't tell me you're going

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to make thirsty sort of a gun.
I I can move on and I can come

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back to.
You.

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Yeah, move on.
Ashley, how about you?

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I know you said when I sent this
out, Ashley, you said I'm

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feverishly prepping my answer.
So do you have an answer for

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this one?
One word for your prep style,

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Ashley.
Rushed.

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Otherwise rushed.
Rushed.

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I feel that I could relate to
that because admittedly, and I

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have shared this before, a lot
of times we are preparing the

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day of meaning the hour or so
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So sometimes DRI think you can
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Rushed might be one for you too.
We're working on that.

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I just shared that yesterday I
was prepping everybody for what

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some of the things we talked
about today.

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So I'm getting a little better
at that and also feel better

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who's here with us has offered
to help a bit behind the scenes

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with producing, production,
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So that'll be handy as well.
And looking forward to maybe

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changing that word from rushed
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controlled.
Let's go to Alex.

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Alex, one word for your prep
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Structurally loose.
OK, 2 words, but I'll take it.

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Structurally loose.
OK, I like that.

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Let's go to Sid.
How about you Sid?

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One word for your prep style.
I could want everybody, my word,

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one word would be organized.
Oh, I like that.

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And not surprised really,
knowing Sid, especially after

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Friday talking all about how all
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his podcast sounded very
organized.

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All right, Jonathan, coming to
you on double duty here.

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One word for your prep style.
I get 2 words 'cause I'm doing

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double duty now.
Sure work I would say is my

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word.
Say pre work, pre work.

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OK got it.
Pre work.

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Yeah.
OK, cool.

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And then Matt coming to you.
Matt Bliss, how about you?

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One word.
Good morning everyone.

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Serendipity, I think is the
kindest way to.

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Now I have to stop there and ask
you, can you share a little

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more?
Why serendipity?

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Well, look, Ashley said rushed.
I would describe myself as that

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too, as I'm currently writing
the episode that I'll record

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after this session today and
release tomorrow.

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But often for rethinking
podcasting, it's comes from

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ideas that I hear out in the
world that I process internally

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and have an idea about.
And I don't really do a 20 week

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content plan for that.
So the serendipity is, you know,

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we talk about something on PMC
or I read something and it

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matches to an idea of I've been
interested in, in philosophy or

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deep thinking or whatever.
And they just, the 2 just come

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together.
I like that, and I like that we

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can inspire some of your content
in some way, shape or form.

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That's awesome.
Very cool.

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All right, Feel better coming to
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One word for your podcast prep
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Random.
It's completely random.

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I need to hear more.
With the interview show, because

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I like to learn about the
person, it's like last minute I

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will start reading and writing
their info to the podcast or

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I'll randomly figure something
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There is no straight line in
what I do for my production.

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It's just let's go, let's see
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It's random every single time.
Phil, would you say that is in

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line with other things for you
or is that specific to the

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podcast?
It's specific to that podcast

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because I I love conversations
so I try my best not to learn

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about the person.
So my the pre production is very

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random and then afterwards
production is very

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straightforward.
OK, gotcha.

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I'm sure that's relatable to
several podcasters.

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With hope.
Thank you, Phil.

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We'll come back to you in a
moment and everybody, for that

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matter, in a moment.
Chris has joined us from the

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audience.
Good morning.

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Chris.
Did you want to play along and

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share one word that describes
your style?

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I don't really prep, I reboot
the computer, but that's about

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it.
So when you say none I mean when

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you hit record you at least have
or I don't know this.

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So do you have a a topic in mind
or do you literally hit record?

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I have AI have a topic in mind,
but sometimes I just find

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somebody interesting.
We just let it go.

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I want the conversations to seem
natural and.

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Thank you, Chris.
And I think that is a tough

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call.
I think a lot of people have

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debated that at some point or
another because similarly to I

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think what Phil is saying too is
he likes those conversations to

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just go in a direction and see
what direction it goes in,

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right?
He's not and he's purposefully

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not prepping to learn a lot
about the guests so that it can

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feel like a very new
conversation.

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And look, that's a whole other
topic we can get into at some

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point.
And we have before just that.

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Some people will argue that's
the best way to go for a

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podcast.
Others will say no.

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I, I think preparing, having
your questions answered, knowing

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who this guest is on the other
side only enhances it.

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So it's just whatever side of
the coin you fall on.

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I don't think there is a right
or a wrong there.

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Thank you.
OK, so cool.

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Now we've got a good idea of
people's different prep styles.

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One thing I want to ask
everybody if you would be so

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kind, put in the chat a number
one, if you script your podcast,

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that concludes everyone on stage
as well #1 if you script your

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show word for word, like you
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outline a three, if you just
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Curious to see what people say
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So we've got several twos and
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All right, so it looks like
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mainly.
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OK, so with that, let's jump in.
Let's talk to you, those who

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script.
And I guess you know that that

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can vary, but I know Matt is one
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I know Sid does some scripting.
I'll go to Sid first.

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Talk to me, Sid, Tell me a
little bit about why you choose

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to script and what parts of your
show you're scripting.

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So part of my show that I script
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episode that I have called tend
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And it is repurposed from an
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the magazine that I write for.
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want to do a tend to win
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the articles that I wrote and I
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I print it.
I read it out loud, see how it

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sounds.
I highlight words that don't

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sound like I would say and I
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then I edit it the document, put
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my script.
I definitely do a lot of ad

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libbing with it.
I'm not, I'm reading it, but I'm

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not just like reading it very
boringly going through word for

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word.
So I'm ad libbing along the way,

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but it is from the article that
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content.
Why script it over just hitting

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record or either winging it or
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Just because it's easier, it's
already done.

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I mean, I'm spending very little
prep time with it.

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The article is there and it's
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aspects of the way that I wanted
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So it's already done.
So I'm just repurposing.

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OK, cool.
And so how do you keep it or do

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you know if you're keeping it to
sounding very natural, like how

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do you do that?
So or, or do you not since it is

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a blog and specifically and
maybe you're letting your

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audience know you're reading
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How do you keep from sounding
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Or I shouldn't say keep away
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sounding natural?
I don't know that I can actually

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explain it, Mark, other than I
make sure that I'm using

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different voice inflections.
I'm breaking in the sentences

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and, you know, adding a little
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aren't written there.
I'm kind of laughing at a couple

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of things like, oh, wow, this
would be really fun if you tried

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this, but that may not be in the
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So I just try to be very natural
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I mean, I've never had anybody
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script?
I honestly don't know that.

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If you didn't know that I had a
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think you would know that I was
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That's my opinion.
I could be way off base with it.

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usually hear and sometimes I
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something because you've talked
about it in the past maybe for

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short form video or what have
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sound very natural when you're

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doing, and I'm sure that adding
the ad libs helps that whole

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thing feel like more natural all
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So yeah, I think throwing in
some ad libbing can really help

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that.
One of the things I do in the

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scriptures, I go in when I know
I want to make a pause and I

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spread the words out or I put
dots, you know, like dot dot dot

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dot dot.
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indication for me to slow down
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or to ad Lib into it.
So I do do things like that to

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make it better.
But I'm not a fan of just, if

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you can tell somebody's reading
a script and it's just very

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boring and monotone and you
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fan of listening to that.
I'm certainly not a fan of

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creating that.
One of the ones I had recently,

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I was not happy with the
recording, but I was out of time

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and I felt like they're
recording the most recent tend

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to win felt like I was reading
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It wasn't my quote UN quote best
work from that perspective.

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But some of the other ones you
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In my opinion, you can't tell.
Fair enough.

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Thank you, Sid.
Appreciate that.

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And I'm going to check in with
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I know Matt is also somebody who
scripts some episodes.

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I don't think he scripts every
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But let's talk a little bit.
You've been podcasting for a

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while now and a natural at it in
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I enjoy listening to your
podcasts and I'm curious why you

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feel the need to script.
And that's not a judgement, it's

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just a question.
It's all good.

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I accept no judgements.
It's all just a difference of

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opinion that we'll discover as
we go on to.

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Yeah.
Now, mentioning my podcasting

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history, I've had, I think I've
had six or seven at this stage.

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And the majority of the time
when it's conversational, I

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won't script it.
I'll have some guiding questions

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for interviews that I still do
today for the interview episodes

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on Rethinking Podcasting.
And that's that makes sense.

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Like the conversation probably
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might be even be a fictional
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Yeah.
But the monologue episodes that

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I do, the ones that are just me
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I connect the ideas together and
the efficiency that I need from

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those ideas.
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Like I can't waffle on about
some weird thing and go on a

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like a raw random tangent when
I'm trying to make a specific

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point.
The episodes that I do as a

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monologue are entirely scripted
because I'm making an argument.

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I'm making a case for a certain
contention based on a series of

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premises that lead to the
conclusion of the argument, and

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for this reason I write down all
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Each part is a premise of the
argument leading to a

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conclusion, which I'm still
looking to improve and get

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better at, but I just don't want
to wander off with that kind of

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thing.
And the the ideas that I'm

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dealing with when I try to make
these postulations, some of them

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are very highfalutin and I don't
expect everybody to to be on

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board with the most of the time
or even fully understand them as

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they can get quite complex.
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oh, the other thing I should
note too, part of the reason I

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do it is because the
conversational tone that I take

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with a scripted episode largely
comes about from practice.

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I used to deliver training, the
same training over and over and

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over and over again about
technical applications, about

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some human resource stuff from
back when I worked in

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government.
And eventually you get to a

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point where you just remember
it, but you're saying the same

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thing over and over again.
And you need to sound

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conversational to keep the
person engaged and have it not

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be a death by PowerPoint as you
deliver that stuff.

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So there could be a bit of
privilege there with me reading

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from a script and having it not
sound so much like it comes from

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a script, and also me being
passively quite a monotone

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character.
For the most part.

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I'm working hard usually to try
and get the animations in there.

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But the most important reason
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the episode, the topic and the
argument has to make sense.

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And if I don't script it,
there's a chance it won't.

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And I'm not doing a lot of post
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fit that in.
I've done that and before and

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it's not fun.
Thank you, Matt.

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I appreciate you digging into
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how you script it.
I think that's a lot of valuable

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info in there.
And do you do something similar

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that Sid does where in your
script you're, you know, adding

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the dot, dot, dot or something
to indicate here's where I need

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to pause because I know I do
that too.

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I do that in my, the only places
that I script and really it's

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all at this point mostly by
memory anyway, but is in the

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intro.
I have my intro every morning

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that I do have scripted,
especially that part where I

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say, and today, and so I will,
I'll put dot, dot, dots.

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If there's a word or words that
I want to emphasize, I might put

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them in all caps or I might make
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Do you do stuff like that?
I don't.

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I would if I didn't do this
other thing that I do, which is

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a preservation of avoiding the
need to do something like that.

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I find that if I script an
episode and I wait until the

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next day to record it, that the
rhythm, the intonations that I

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choose based on the punctuation
can sometimes get lost.

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Like my word order can be a
little bit unusual sometimes.

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So generally to avoid the need
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or taking a different rhythm
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together that would otherwise be
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script and then immediately
record and then the not the

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tone, but like the, it's called
the music sheet.

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You know, the notation sheet
actually will help me out there,

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but you know that it preserves
the rhythm, the notes, the

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progression, the timing.
All of those things are

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preserved if I record
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Whereas if I do it another time,
like the sheep kind of

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disappears.
I miss the timing, I miss the

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speed, I miss the pacing
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And I need to re record things.
So my soul for that is record

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immediately.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
OK, cool.

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Thank you, Matt.
Appreciate you appreciate that

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insight or those insights.
And real quick before I go to

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Yvonne, 'cause I know Yvonne has
shared in the chat that she does

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a little, little bit of
scripting as well.

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I do have to shout out, 'cause I
didn't get to it at the very top

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of the show, have to shout out
Dominic Lawson, our one of our

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fearless leaders of this
community.

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And yes, he hasn't been able to
join us as frequently anymore

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these days in the morning, but
still very much part of this

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community.
And I want to congratulate him

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on increasing his awards to
becoming a 42 time award winner.

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He won several awards this past
weekend at the Afrozen Audios

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convention in Baltimore that
we've been talking about for a

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few weeks now.
But I believe these were the

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Black Podcast Association
awards, like this was brought to

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you by the Black Podcasting
Association.

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And either way, he has won
multiple awards from that event,

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including Best Podcast Network.
And so, yeah, Dominic just

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continuing to kill it in the
world of podcasting.

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So if you haven't seen Dominic
talking anything about it on

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social media, definitely go
check out his social media pages

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and give him some love.
Give him some congratulations.

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He's certainly earned it.
OK, So let me go to you, Yvonne,

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as one of the final scripters on
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Why?
Why do you script it?

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You know, I know you said in
chat here, your intros, your

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outros, what, what really is it
about scripting those that you

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prefer versus maybe an outline
or just winging it?

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I will forget to say something
that I like, some sort of call

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to action in the outro.
I'm, I want to make sure I get

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that in and I do the intros
specifically because I really

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want to be on point and not
wandering all over the place

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with my thoughts.
That's the same for solo shows

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and very much a lot of what
Matthew said I resonate with.

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There's a point I want to make
in a solo show and I don't want

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to meander as my mind tends to.
As a fellow ADHD Mark, I have a

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bit of a pinball brain and I can
interrupt myself and go off on

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another tangent.
And so be Having a script in

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front of me or at least an
outline helps me to stay on

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track.
And I do have theater experience

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and a lot of theater experience.
So I will say I'm good at making

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scripts not sound scripted.
I also do a lot of what Sid

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does.
I feel free to add a little

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something extra, you know, a
commentary here and there on

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something that I put in the
script.

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Oh, you know, it hits me in the
moment and I say it.

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I feel free to go, you know, off
script a little bit and just let

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00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,560
it breathe.
Yvonne, you did an episode

452
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,160
recently, you put out an episode
about your experience at the

453
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,200
Empowered Podcasting Conference.
I watched it on YouTube,

454
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,440
particularly because I know
you're working on learning

455
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,880
YouTube.
So I wanted to give you some

456
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,320
views over there.
And what, how did you do that

457
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,240
episode?
Was that scripted?

458
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,720
Was that an outline?
That was scripted.

459
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,760
And again, with the freedom to
go off script, you know, any,

460
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,000
any time I have a script in
front of me, I do not feel like

461
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,080
that script is that I have to be
exactly word for word.

462
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,240
It's there for me to reference
so that, you know, I usually

463
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,160
have a Google Doc open in front
of me.

464
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,040
And so I can go down and look at
what the next point is.

465
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,640
I can grab that point and I look
back up and what comes out of my

466
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,720
mouth may not be exactly what's
in that script, especially if

467
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,160
I'm doing it on camera.
If I'm just doing an audio only

468
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,440
podcast, that's not as much of
an issue.

469
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,440
I really make sure that the
things that I want to deliver

470
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,840
with impact, I make sure that I
know what I'm saying in those

471
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,640
parts so that I can really be
looking at the camera in that

472
00:26:54,640 --> 00:27:00,120
moment and delivering that with
full intent and not with a

473
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:01,920
little bit of wiggle and
squiggle.

474
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,120
You know, like what am I saying?
What am I saying?

475
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,520
Those, those things I'll, I'll
go over a little bit and maybe

476
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,840
re record.
If I feel like I wasn't quite

477
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,160
solid on that, I'll go back and
re record that.

478
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,200
Cool.
Thank you for sharing that.

479
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,000
And D, so you know, I'm hearing
that you practice in some

480
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,000
regard.
Do you ever practice like word

481
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,680
for word going through the
script and if so, how many

482
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,160
times?
Not much I do, and I might maybe

483
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,120
a couple of times again to keep
it.

484
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,160
I don't want to memorize.
I want to have a solid idea, a

485
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,320
solid road map, let's just say
in front of me.

486
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,080
So that keeps me from just
getting the wanders.

487
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,840
Yeah, your brain even just
practicing it a few times, not

488
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,680
to the point of memorization,
but your brain starts to

489
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:54,760
remember anyway, right?
It, it's kind of like building

490
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,520
that neuro pathway in your brain
so that when you go back to the

491
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,840
actual script, when you're doing
it after hitting the record

492
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,040
button, it, it does come more
natural cause your brains more

493
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,560
used to those words on that
paper and you and it remembers

494
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,760
the next several words as it
goes because usually you're cued

495
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,680
and so your brain gets AQ in
some way, shape or form.

496
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,960
So I love that.
And I do encourage that a lot to

497
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:23,080
the people I work with.
If you're going to script, fine,

498
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,000
but read it out loud and I mean
out loud, not it to yourself

499
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,160
because I don't think that's as
effective.

500
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:34,000
I think if you read it out loud
several times, you do build

501
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,720
that, that pathway.
It does make it a little easier

502
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,800
when you do hit record.
Yvonne, did you want to say

503
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,280
something?
Doing it out loud is key.

504
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,080
You, you can't, like I don't
just write it down and then and

505
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,280
then go blah, you know,
immediately.

506
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,840
Because when you write
something, sometimes it doesn't

507
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,440
sound the way you speak.
So sometimes it may need a

508
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,320
little bit of modification.
And that's the other reason why

509
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,640
I, I don't feel beholden to my
script is because I know it's

510
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,840
the written word, not the spoken
word.

511
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,960
And I trust myself enough to
modify as I go.

512
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,560
I know when I write, it's a
slightly different voice than

513
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,120
when I speak.
And if I am reading straight

514
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,320
from something I've written,
it's so clear that it's not

515
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,800
coming from my head, in my
opinion.

516
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,840
So I'm with you there.
I have more to say about all

517
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,000
this, and I want to check in
with Ralph, who's joined us on

518
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,960
stage.
So good morning to you, Ralph.

519
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,840
Did you want to add on to all
this?

520
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,720
And I know you probably put it
in the chat and I've probably

521
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,360
forgotten.
Are you a scripter or do you

522
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,160
outline or do you just kind of
freestyle it?

523
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,160
So what I was saying is I hired
a talent coach about nine months

524
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,560
ago and I had built this nice
studio here, my office.

525
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,720
I have a teleprompter from the
prompter people, you know,

526
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,480
really nice studio thing.
And I was scripting out all my

527
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,440
episodes.
And he says, Ralph, he says,

528
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,240
it's like you're talking to
nobody.

529
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,680
And I said, yeah, I feel like
that someday.

530
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,160
So we went through his whole
evolution of moving away from

531
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,920
the script.
And then we went to bullet

532
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,280
points.
And he said, I still feel like

533
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,160
there's a disconnect.
So I did something about a month

534
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,280
ago.
And if anybody has the

535
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,640
opportunity to do this, it was
massive for me.

536
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,680
I actually hired Ava and my VA
joins me in my recording every

537
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,040
day and I see her on the screen.
So I'm, it's like I'm talking to

538
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,120
somebody.
And it's really helped me

539
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,480
connect with somebody because I
had this disconnect.

540
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,720
Like I do a Daily Show and I do
2 weekly shows, but my Daily

541
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,560
Show especially it's about 10
minutes long.

542
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,520
But I really want to connect
with a person.

543
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,280
It's a Christian finance show
and I want to connect with a

544
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,440
person that's experiencing a
pain point.

545
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,120
And I just felt like there was a
disconnect, 'cause my coach kept

546
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,400
saying, Ralph, when you and I
talk in a Zoom meeting, man,

547
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,480
you're dynamic.
I can understand you.

548
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,840
It's great.
But then he says you get on your

549
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,040
your regular daily pocket and
it's like there's a little bit

550
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,360
of a not that's not Ralph fate.
And I'll tell you when I moved

551
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,240
away from the script, I moved to
more bullet points.

552
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,440
Now I will still put things that
I make sure I want to say

553
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,000
because I I still use the
prompter for that, but it's

554
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,080
really helped me be more dynamic
in my presentation to move away

555
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,560
from that script so much.
And I find myself AB living.

556
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,920
And the truth is when we have
conversations with people,

557
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,440
that's the way we naturally
talk.

558
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,120
We don't talk in bullet points.
We don't talk in, you know,

559
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,560
fully designed script.
So that's been really helpful

560
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,000
for me.
I love that.

561
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,880
Thank you, Ralph, and thank you
for sharing a little bit about

562
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,680
the talent agent or the talent
coach.

563
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,800
I think that's a a really
interesting one and very cool to

564
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,920
hear how you're utilizing Ava.
And I want to say to anybody

565
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,000
listening, you don't necessarily
have to get Ava, get a friend,

566
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,080
get a family member, get
somebody to sit across from you,

567
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,080
whether it's on the screen or in
person.

568
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,840
And I think it does help change
your dynamic and how you

569
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,320
deliver.
So great advice.

570
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,880
He hired the Veterans
Administration.

571
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,280
A virtual assistant, a virtual
assistant, VA.

572
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,840
Thank you, Chris.
Jonathan, did you want to jump

573
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,040
in?
Well, I just wanted to welcome

574
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,480
Amanda Yoa over here.
She's joining me as a mod over

575
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,360
on Chatter.
I just wanted to share.

576
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,360
Just put a picture of a loved
one right behind your camera

577
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,480
lens.
It works like magic.

578
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,560
Just like that as you said that
Jonathan Tim at simultaneously

579
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,760
in the chat said I have a
picture of my avatar, meaning

580
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,960
his ideal listener luckily and I
talked to the picture so yeah

581
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,200
there you go.
That's some others are doing

582
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,640
that as well.
I have encouraged my a lot of my

583
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,080
clients, a lot of my new
podcasters who are just kind of

584
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,920
getting their feet wet, a little
nervous, feel a little

585
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,760
uncomfortable solo podcasting.
I've suggested that and I have

586
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,240
some clients that are still
doing that to this day, even

587
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,320
though they've become very
comfortable behind the

588
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,000
microphone.
Matt, can you tell us a little

589
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,840
bit about what you put in the
chat regarding void talking,

590
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,320
what that is and how that's
helpful or not?

591
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,320
I yeah, I want to hear more.
So the periods during the

592
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,880
pandemic lockdowns, I'm actually
writing about this in the

593
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,720
scripts doing for the episode
going out tomorrow.

594
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,080
So if you want to hear more
could go there.

595
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,800
But void talking is something
that people talk about a lot.

596
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,120
Talking into the void, it was
something that I experienced a

597
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,440
lot at the beginning of the
pandemic, lockdowns in Melbourne

598
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,720
in the job I was in, because
there wasn't really a common

599
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,400
understanding of how human
connection happens digitally.

600
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,000
And with the organization I
worked for and the rollout of a

601
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,040
new set of teams at the time, it
was only rolled out like a

602
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,680
couple of months before it all
kicked off.

603
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,480
So what it meant was that when I
ran training digitally, which I

604
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,160
used to do in person, I would
begin the session, I'd tell

605
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,800
everybody to mute their
microphones, turn off their

606
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,520
cameras, and I'd talk to a bunch
of letters.

607
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,320
And that wasn't necessarily the
most ideal.

608
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,840
There was an interesting
phenomenon that arose as a

609
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,960
result of that as well, that
particularly in Teams, your eye

610
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,240
was not drawn to the people you
were talking to, it's more drawn

611
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,720
to yourself.
I think Zoom characterized this

612
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,960
as some sort of word.
But in any case, you're looking

613
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,760
for a place to talk to and like
even Ashley's thrown in the chat

614
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,440
there, talk through the camera.
All of these are skills that we,

615
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,840
I don't think we really had five
years ago.

616
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,719
We take them for granted today
with all of the digital work and

617
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,320
media stuff we do.
And when I was doing it back

618
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,080
then, it was literally talking
to the void.

619
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,520
It was like trying to imagine
and invent being in front of a

620
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:39,000
room of people to try and
simulate the classroom

621
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,400
experience, but you're talking
to nothing.

622
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,679
You're getting no feedback.
And as someone with who has a

623
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,040
teaching background and a
learning development background,

624
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,199
that feedback is super
important.

625
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,280
Like you're looking for when
people nod their head or shake

626
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,520
their hands or cross their arms
or, you know, look out the

627
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,880
window and tap a pen.
And if you don't have that, it

628
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,480
is literally the void.
Like they could be getting

629
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,640
value, they may not be getting
value.

630
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:07,920
You have no idea.
Talking to that void in order to

631
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,040
create a dynamic experience is a
skill that can be can really

632
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,880
only be developed through
practice.

633
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,280
And essentially what's being
described here is talking into

634
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,760
the void with the practical tips
people have mentioned already,

635
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,880
like putting an avatar on the
screen, sticking a poster under

636
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,960
the camera, talking through the
camera, looking down the lens,

637
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,880
imagining, thinking about the
person that you're talking to or

638
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,600
the people, whatever means that
you undertake in order to be

639
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,120
able to not think about it.
Like talking into a black hole,

640
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,880
but instead of that trying to
connect with someone or

641
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,400
something or some people.
That's the way that you get

642
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,880
around that kind of thing.
But I think it's a phenomenon

643
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,680
that's that's probably not
thought about much today with

644
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,600
how digital we all are.
But back then, I mean, people

645
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,960
might have a different
experience, but 2020 was way

646
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,240
different.
Thank you Matt Void talking.

647
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,320
Coincidentally, this did not
happen because of today's

648
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,800
episode or this didn't inspire
today's episode.

649
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,320
Just so happens that at some
point yesterday, before I even

650
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,120
started prepping, maybe you
subconsciously This is why we

651
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,400
went here today, But I stumbled
on a YouTube video on how to

652
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:27,200
speak to the break the 5th wall
as this person calls it.

653
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,440
And her name is Brenda Turner.
She's pretty popular on YouTube

654
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,680
with over 400,000 subscribers.
I've shared the link here.

655
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,840
We'll share it in the show notes
as well to hear a little bit

656
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,800
more.
I think that these are similar

657
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,800
things to what Matt's saying and
what Brenda is saying here.

658
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,960
So check that out.
And of course, be on the lookout

659
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,560
for Rethinking Podcastings newer
one of the it's newest episodes

660
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,080
that Matt's working on right now
talking about this kind of

661
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,200
stuff.
So there you go.

662
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,000
Let's see here.
All right.

663
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,280
So I think we have certainly dug
into a lot of the script writing

664
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,320
stuff.
I do want to say the other thing

665
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,320
that I like to do when I am
doing anything from a script is

666
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,280
I really like to format the
script in a way that just flows

667
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,880
easily and naturally I will,
even if a sentence let's, I'm

668
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:25,240
sorry, if a paragraph, let's say
is 5-6 sentences long, I might

669
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:29,440
break that paragraph into one to
two sentences at a time.

670
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,640
I just find it easier this way,
you know, I don't lose my spot

671
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,200
as easily.
So really breaking it sentence

672
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,200
by sentence or a couple of
sentences at a time helps me

673
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,960
with that flow, helps me keep my
pace without losing my place.

674
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,880
And I do want to say something
also to Yvonne's point about

675
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,080
outlining, I do find the
challenge, even though that's

676
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,840
the style I tend to choose, I do
find the challenge is keeping

677
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,640
keeping up with it get making
sure I hit every single point.

678
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,520
I often times miss things like
for example, the Dominic Lawson

679
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,000
announcement.
I had that at to say that at the

680
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,000
top of the show and I just
breezed by it, not

681
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,520
intentionally.
That's why I circled back to it.

682
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,280
But yeah, so that can be the a
challenge of outlining.

683
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,400
Let's go to Jonathan for a
second because Jonathan, I saw

684
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,760
you were chatting a little bit
and I want to get the chatter

685
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,960
side of the family represented
here as well.

686
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,120
Tell us a little bit more about
your style and and how you

687
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,880
prepare.
I prepare for my season, which

688
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,600
is about 25 episodes.
I prepare for my season before I

689
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,160
start recording any for my
season because I'm really

690
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,040
particular about not taking on
somebody else's style.

691
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,080
I want to make sure that I've my
podcast feels like me.

692
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,360
So I will do my all my research
for my episodes in advance to

693
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,960
the season starting.
I write take notes on all the

694
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,080
topics I want to talk about.
Sometimes a new topic will pop

695
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,920
in and I just take notes on
that, but I use that as my

696
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,600
outline for then my episode.
Now my episodes are 10 minutes

697
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,200
long, so they're pretty quick.
I can cover, you know, just that

698
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,280
one topic, which is the purpose
of me doing it that way.

699
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,920
So keep it nice and crisp and
something that's actionable for

700
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,320
people to do at the end of each
episode.

701
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,240
So yeah, I just I tend to do all
my research way in advance.

702
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,760
So that's why I said pre work
was how I described it.

703
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,880
Yeah, yeah.
Thank you, Jonathan.

704
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,080
Appreciate that.
Love that strategy.

705
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,040
And by the way, shout out to
Amanda Yo.

706
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,080
I forgot to acknowledge that
when you shared it.

707
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,120
Glad that Amanda Yo is with us
and on that chatter stage

708
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,880
helping to man the Fort there.
I got to use a better term than

709
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,120
man the Fort that is outdated.
But thank you, Amanda, for

710
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,360
joining Jonathan and helping us
out.

711
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,480
Really appreciate you and love
that you're still a part of this

712
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,400
community.
And by the way, Amanda, you got

713
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,160
to join us on Friday to share
wins because I know you had a

714
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,520
big win yesterday.
All right, we're just going to

715
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,240
wait.
We're going to wait.

716
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:06,760
But Amanda had a big win and
made it to the local TV

717
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,080
airwaves.
I'll leave it there for now and

718
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,800
we can hear more about it either
tomorrow or Friday, depending

719
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,560
on.
What time allows?

720
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,760
All right, so let's see here.
Anybody want to share a little

721
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,920
bit more?
Let's go to Phil since Phil is

722
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,040
kind of our freestyler here.
And I know we have several, but

723
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,960
I'm just picking on Phil for a
minute.

724
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,680
Phil, tell us a little bit more.
How do you stay focused without

725
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,320
using any notes or outlines or
scripts?

726
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,280
I find the guests interesting.
So the main podcast I'm talking

727
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,160
about is Investing Yourself, the
Digital Entrepreneur podcast

728
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,120
Selfish Plug, but I interview
people who are digital

729
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,320
entrepreneurs, anyone who's made
their business online.

730
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,720
And I started this because I had
no idea how to be an

731
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,440
entrepreneur.
So the best way of just having

732
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,680
conversations with
entrepreneurs.

733
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,920
So there is a bit scripting I
do, but it's just my intro so I

734
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,840
can introduce the guests in a
unique way so that they feel

735
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,960
valued.
But after that it's I go

736
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,760
straight into just asking
questions about their stories.

737
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,720
So I start off with why they
became an entrepreneur and then

738
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:21,200
I just find questions in there
that I'm interested to learn

739
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,920
about and get more information.
Because it comes down to your

740
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,160
curiosity in a person who helps
the interview sound engaging

741
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,360
when you don't script it.
If you don't have a 10,000

742
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,800
questions like you know you're
inside the actor studio or Larry

743
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,120
King, you know they have so many
questions prepared.

744
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,320
I want to genuinely know this
individual.

745
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,720
So having questions feels like
I'm not trying to get to know

746
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:49,040
the person, I'm just trying to
get answers for sound bites.

747
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,080
So that's my thinking.
I go in with curiosity about I

748
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,600
have no idea who this person is
and I want to know everything I

749
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,480
can.
So I'm going to just ask

750
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,040
questions about the stories that
they say.

751
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,120
I love that.
Thank you, Phil.

752
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,880
I and I was waiting to say it
and then you said it at the end.

753
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,400
It sounds to me that curiosity
is really what guides you

754
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,120
through the freestyle
conversations.

755
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,080
So I think that's a big one.
Like for for people who are

756
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,800
considering freestyling or they
are freestyling, you got to ask

757
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,320
yourself, am I curious enough to
keep this going without guiding

758
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,680
myself?
Fairs fair to say.

759
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,360
I've always been curious and my
parents hated it because I

760
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,320
always asked why.
And so for that reason,

761
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,920
curiosity, you know, doesn't
kill the cat, it brings it back.

762
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,520
That's what I always say.
Love that.

763
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,760
Thank you, Phil.
And I see Jeff Dwoskin has

764
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,400
joined us on stage.
Good morning.

765
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,000
Jeff, did you want to add to
this part of the conversation?

766
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:54,080
I wanted to add to Phil's
brilliant, I think the same kind

767
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,080
of approach.
It's just I just had a different

768
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,880
way to look at it that I just
wanted to share.

769
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,840
Same exact thing.
It's just I always look at it as

770
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,960
my goal is to sit down with
those people as if I've known

771
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,840
them for a very long time.
And the only way to do that with

772
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,680
a stranger is what Phil was
describing and what I do, which

773
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,560
is really kind of deep dive and
then just internalize it and

774
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,720
then have that conversation for
that hour.

775
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,920
And then hopefully that's the
vibe of what comes out, is just

776
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,160
a natural conversation between
two people that if someone were

777
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,240
listening would be like, oh,
they just met.

778
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,400
I think that that is a key to,
even if you did just meet,

779
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,720
finding that way to really feel
comfortable and make it seem

780
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:46,120
like these are two almost 2 old
friends.

781
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,040
Yeah.
I think that really helps the

782
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,880
flow of the conversation and it
keeps the the audience engaged.

783
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,160
Thank you, Jeff.
Appreciate it and appreciated

784
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,520
your episode.
I forget the gentleman's name

785
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,600
now so you can chime in here and
and tell me, but appreciating

786
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:09,280
the episode about Cesar Romero
and his time on Batman and

787
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,960
elsewhere was really enjoying
that.

788
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,520
Who was the guest?
That was Samuel Bernstein, he

789
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,600
wrote.
Think it's Autobiography of

790
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,000
Cesar Romero I.
Was going to say, for those who

791
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,840
don't know who we're talking
about because we are dating

792
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,600
ourselves a bit, that is the
original Joker from the TV

793
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,160
series Batman.
Batman 66, baby.

794
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,760
Yep, a very cool interview.
Go check that out.

795
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,160
And again, Jeff, name of your
podcast for everybody.

796
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,200
Classic conversations with Jeff
Dwoskin.

797
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,400
Go check out classic
conversations, OK?

798
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,200
And Matt puts in the chat.
RIP Adam West, which I fully

799
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,680
agree with.
And I mean, how many years ago

800
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,080
was that now?
3 or 4 Matt?

801
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,640
But yeah, I guess anytime it's
good to tell those who are no

802
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,960
longer with us to rest in peace.
I'm with you there.

803
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,360
All right, So Dr. we haven't
really heard much from you yet.

804
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,280
And we'll use the podcasting
morning chat for you as your

805
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,080
example because let's face it,
this is just as much your

806
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,800
podcast as everyone else is
here, and you do a lot of work

807
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,920
on the show with me.
So yeah, tell us a little bit

808
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,720
about your style.
Maybe we talked a little bit.

809
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,920
I don't know about.
I was thinking about this as I

810
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,000
was coming to you.
I we do script a little bit once

811
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,480
a week for news because what we
prepare those news stories and

812
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,880
then we actually script a lot of
those stories, not all of.

813
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,760
Them Yeah, we do and we go off
script and the same thing that

814
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,120
Yvonne was saying that that she
had some theater experience.

815
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:44,240
I have had extensive theater
experience and a lot a lot of

816
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:49,800
acting coaching and classes
while I was growing up and so

817
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,840
there's a lot of that so I feel
very comfortable in going off

818
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,240
script.
News days are my favorite

819
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:58,400
because it's just information
and I love information.

820
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,240
So trying to dive in and find
some kind of content creation

821
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:07,240
for that.
And I have my AI who I've named

822
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:12,840
Sassy and she speaks with my
voice and my personality and my

823
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,480
kind of smart ass kind of way of
speaking.

824
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,600
And so that feels good.
But I still, I still go off

825
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,200
script quite a bit.
It all seems to work.

826
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,360
Very cool.
Thank you, Dr. Appreciate it.

827
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,160
I'm want to wrap up by going to
Jonathan just to check in and

828
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,560
see.
Jonathan, is there anybody on

829
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,200
Chatter right now that wanted to
chime in either with their style

830
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,320
or have any questions?
No pressure, but I just wanted

831
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,560
to ask.
No pressure.

832
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,000
Amanda, did you want to chime
in?

833
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,080
Amanda's staying quiet.
She's either running to her

834
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,600
phone or she doesn't want to
chime in.

835
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,960
And.
We could take she.

836
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,800
Doesn't want to chime.
In to hear about Amanda's day

837
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,920
yesterday.
If she's free, no.

838
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,080
All right.
To be continued.

839
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,920
All right, I guess not.
Really, with the kids, helping

840
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,440
them off to school or whatever.
All right, yeah, we'll check.

841
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,280
We'll check back in.
To be continued.

842
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,520
That's a nice little tease for
Amanda Yoa.

843
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Of course, if you follow her on
social media, you can find out

844
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,960
there.
And with that, I will say we

845
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,760
will be back tomorrow with news
and comment tomorrow, 7:00 AM

846
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,280
Eastern, as we do every
Wednesday here on the podcasting

847
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,120
morning chat.
So come join us to get all the

848
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,440
latest headlines, all of the
feedback on those headlines from

849
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,840
experienced podcasters like
these, actually exactly like

850
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,560
these.
These people will join me again

851
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,640
tomorrow at 7:00 AM Eastern.
And remember, you can always

852
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:46,840
catch us if you miss us live at
pod page dot com slash PMCP for

853
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,960
podcasting morning chat.
Come join us there.

854
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,240
And until tomorrow, make it a
great day everybody take care.

855
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,320
Do you have?
A place where you list all your

856
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,320
topics.
That's an excellent question.

857
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,800
You can find it at
podpage.com/PMC.

858
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,040
We also have everything
categorized as well, so you can

859
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,880
search for things by category.
You can search or you can just

860
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,200
go episode by episode.
So enjoy.

861
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,120
Thanks for asking that, Chris.
Catch you guys tomorrow.