534. 19 Years of Podcasting: Lessons From Daniel J. Lewis

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Audio Clip: Well, good morning,
podcasters.

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Today is Tuesday, June the 10th,
2026 And coming
up today,

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we're sitting down with a true
podcasting hall of
famer.

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He's been in the game since 2007
He co-founded
International

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Podcast Day, and he's actively
helping shape the
future of

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podcasting through podcasting
2.0 If you've ever
wanted to

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grow your audience, boost your
engagement, or just
take your

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show to the next level, you're
not going to want
to miss the

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conversation today.
Daniel J.

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Lewis is here, joins
us live
on the Podcasting Morning Show,

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and I can't wait
for you to
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Ralph Estep Jr.: Well, good

morning, everybody.

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Welcome again to the podcasting
morning
show.

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Thank you so much for being
here.

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I am your host for
today,
Ralph Estep Jr.

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Mark continues to be away

volunteering at camp.

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So, joining me here in this
virtual
meeting today, we have

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producer DR. Fay and Alex
Ballish, and of
course, we

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have our guest today, who DR.
will be announcing here
in

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just a moment.
So, DR. if you want to go ahead

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and make the
introductions,
let's get right to it.

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DR: Absolutely.
So, our guest
today is someone

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many of us know in the
podcasting space already.


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We respect him, and we have
probably learned from him at


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some point.
Daniel J.

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Lewis is a podcasting hall of
famer,
podcast educator, and a

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creator of the Audacity Podcast,
one of
the longstanding go-to

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resources for people who want to
start and
who want to improve

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and who want to grow their shows
with more
clarity and

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confidence.
Now, what I appreciate about

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Daniel
is that he doesn't just
talk about podcasting from

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theory.
He
has spent years helping

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podcasters understand the tools,

the strategy, the audience

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experience, and the decisions

that actually make a show work.

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He's also the founder of

Podgagement and Pod Chapters,

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where he helps podcasters better

understand the can and connect

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with their listeners.
Please
welcome Daniel J.

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Lewis.
Hi, Daniel.

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Daniel J.
Lewis: Well, thank you
very

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much, DR. Really appreciate it,
and Ralph, thank you.

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Ralph Estep Jr.: Oh, absolutely,

Daniel.

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And let's get right to it.
So, let's start the
beginning.

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Daniel, take us back to where it
all started.

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When
did you first get into
podcasting?

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What was about the
medium that
pulled you in when you first got

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started?
What
brought you over to

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podcasting?
Daniel J.

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Lewis: Well, it was
the dark
ages of the internet.

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I was on a dial-up connection at

home, and I had about a 90

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minute commute to and from my

job at that time.

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It was a dream job, but I was
starting to hate
the drive,

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and I'd gone through all of my
music collection, all
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audio books I wanted to listen
to, and then iTunes 4.9
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announced, now 21 years ago this
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someone told me about podcasts,
and I thought I'd check it out,

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and I was immediately hooked,
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about exactly what I wanted to
listen to, none of this other


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stuff that they do, the typical
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exactly what I wanted.
I can listen to it in the car, I

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could
download it on the
high-speed connection that they

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had at the
office.
I'd actually play the podcast

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through the speakers in
my
laptop computer that was sitting

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in a passenger seat of
my car
as I would drive back home, and

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I was so hooked, and I

realized that the way that

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people were recording podcasts

were things that I knew how to

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do as well, I knew how to

produce audio, I knew how to

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make a website, I could figure

out this thing called an RSS

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feed, and I just felt like back
then the first podcast I wanted

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to do was a clean comedy

podcast, I just wanted to make

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people laugh, and so I started a

podcast.

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Really struggled for the first
couple of years, but
along the

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way learned a whole lot of
lessons, kind of the hard
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I'm the type that tends to
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forget the manual, I'm just
going to press every button and

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find out what happens when I
press this button, and so along

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the way, and because my
background in production and


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public speaking, I just felt
like I have something to share


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with podcasters about some
better ways that podcasting


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could be done, some ways that
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I'm more of an innovator than an
inventor, and so in 2010 I


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launched the Audacity to Podcast
to help podcasters.

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Years give
them the guts and
teach them the tools to start

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and grow their
own podcasts,
and that's what I've been doing

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ever since, and
a business has
emerged from that as well.

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But it all just started

because I just felt like I had

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something else to say in the

space.

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Ralph Estep Jr.: So, when you

first started, I imagine the

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podcasting landscape looked a

lot different.

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How's it?
What's changed, Daniel?

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Has it changed
for the better,
for the worse, or just tell me

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what you think
about it?
Where we are today, from where

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you were then?
Daniel J.

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Lewis: It's generally
changed
for the better.

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We have so many more podcasts
now than
we used to, which I

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think is a good thing, even
though there
are millions of

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podcasts in the podcast apps and
directories.

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I
run this other site.
If you look over at Podcast

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Industry
insights.com that's
where I track a lot of these

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podcast
industry statistics
and stuff.

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You can see that there are,

yeah, millions of podcasts in

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Apple Podcasts, but only a few

100,000 are actively publishing

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episodes, so the space isn't

overly saturated, but there's

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plenty of choice out there for

people.

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I tell people who are interested
in listening to
podcasts, just

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type in your favorite hobbies
into a podcast
app, and you'll

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probably find at least a couple
of podcasts about
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favorite hobby.
That's what's so exciting now,

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is that
there is so much more
good content from passionate

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people.

What's also really exciting from

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the podcasting perspective of

making a podcast is the

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technology has gotten so much

easier, like with very few

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exceptions.
Do we even have to
worry about

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things like mix minus or
loudness normalization
or EQ,

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or some of these other things?
A lot of podcasters,
it's kind

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of laughable in some sense, but
a lot of podcasters
don't even

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know they have an RSS feed, and
that's in a way that's
sad,

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but in a way it's also good,
because it means, and it's


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something that I predicted years
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conference, the technology is
disappearing, and when the


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technology disappears, people
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and it allows more podcasters to
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there are these barriers to
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what they can focus on and the
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easier to focus on that content.
Ralph Estep Jr.: Well, that


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makes a lot of sense to me.
What do you find as being the

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hardest
stretch when you went
through podcasting?

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I know I've listened
to a lot
of your stuff, and you went

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through a time in your life

when you just didn't podcast for

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a while.
Talk to us about that,
Daniel,

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and how did you, how did you get
back to it once you took
a

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little break?
Daniel J.

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Lewis: Yeah, I went
through
some personal family tragedies

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that really, really
hit me
hard, and every time I'd feel

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like I was back on my feet

again, then stuff would happen

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and knock me down again, and it
was really nasty at the same

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time I needed to focus on what

was most important in my life,

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and that was my son, and being a

dad to my son, and so that's

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what I did for years, and I

missed being on the podcast, but

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every time I'd want to start up
the podcast again, something

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would happen, and it would knock

me down again, and I had that

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hunger and desire, though, to be

back on the microphone, and

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what eventually helped me get
back
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going to a podcasting conference

again, and talking to other

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podcasters, and just talking

about podcasting, and I just

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felt like, oh, I've got so much
I want to say again.

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I have to get back on the
microphone.

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I
have to try and make this
work.

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I have to get consistent with

the schedule again, and it's

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been a challenge to be

consistent, and it's been a

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challenge to regrow the audience

after having been gone for so

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many years, but a lot of my

audience has been very

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understanding that, yeah, life

has been happening, and so many

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of them stuck with me through

the years, but I do sometimes

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feel like I'm back at the

beginning stages of a podcast,

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or trying to build my audience,
or in my case, regain the

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audience that I might have lost,

who thought maybe I stopped

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podcasting.
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consistency is a big deal, and I
have to agree with you.

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Talk
about that on the show a
lot here, and I'm one of the

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people
that truly believes
when you, when you don't have

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that
consistency, people don't
look for you, and they replace

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you
with someone else.
I know it sounds kind of harsh,

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but, but
Daniel, I just want
to say, dude, I throw you a lot

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of
respect for doing what you
did, because to take what was


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important in your life and make
that the center, I just have


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nothing but praise for you.
But let me ask you this

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question: as
a new podcaster,
what's the one thing did you

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know now that you
wish someone
had told you in those early days

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when you were
first getting
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What was that thing that you
wish you had
known, and you

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would have, would have been your
superpower now?

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Daniel J.
Lewis: Well, I'll tell
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things, actually, because one of
them someone did
tell me, and

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it was what actually got me to
start my
first podcast,

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because I wanted to start my
first podcast in
2005 when I

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first started listening.
I didn't actually
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oh seven, because I was trying
to be perfect.

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So,
the advice that I heard
from a couple of other people at

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that
time is don't wait to be
perfect, just start and.

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What I
needed to hear, that
was the kick I needed to

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actually get it
out there, and
not try to be perfect with it,

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but just start
the other piece
of advice that I would add to

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that is start with
a plan,
write out a list of your first

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25 or so episodes or
topics,
whether you're a topical show or

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you're covering books or

movies or TV shows, or you're

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interviewing guests.
Make a list
of what 25

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episodes will be.
You do not have to script these

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episodes.
You don't even have to prepare

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anything.
They could be
dream guests or

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dream topics for you.
You don't even have to do
them

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in order.
The whole point is it's a very

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much a mental
exercise for you
is to have that list to know

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where you're going
to go with
the show, and that can do a few

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things for you.
One
is that gives you

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something to go back to if
you're sitting
down and

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thinking, oh, I need to record
episode three.

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What am I
going to do?
What's it going to be about?

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Well, look at your
list and
see which one sparks that

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interest in you, and that
can
be your next episode.

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It can also be something you
share with
your audience early

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on to let them know here's
what's coming
in future

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episodes, and I encourage you to
add to that
list as you go.

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I've got a list of episode
topics that will
still, after

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435 episodes, I I still have a
list of episode
topics from

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when I first started that I've
never gotten to,
because I

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just keep adding to the list,
and now my list has
enough

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topics that would still carry me
for two more years if I
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keep adding to my list.
Ralph Estep Jr.: So, you're from

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the school of just hit record,
I think is what I hear you

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saying,
and just figure it out
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Daniel, is that kind of
what
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Daniel J.
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counter, but it's both.
It's both jump in, but also have

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counterintuitive, but the whole
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don't focus so much on
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Also, even
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perfecting the podcast.

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forget to jump in.
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Now, before we get on to the

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next day, we're
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second.
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now for video, and I feel like
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people that would contradict
what you just said
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towards
Apple HLS video?
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Lewis: I am recording
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that I do right now,
but I'm
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video yet, just because I

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me.
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I'm just trying to watch my cash

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flow, so in the meantime, I've
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anything with it.
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and I've got a
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great camera for recording all

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of the video, but
not doing
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distribution
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they distribute
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before YouTube even was a thing,
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content, and what's exciting to
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this new way, suddenly, and it
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articles that are like video
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way of doing it, and so this
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of
platforms are jumping on
board to start supporting, which

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surprising me, but it's
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it, and
you're starting to see
podcast hosting companies who

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have said
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streaming, which is just

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whole thing first, and it
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opportunities. 80s,
technologically, what you
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opportunity to come back to the
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consumption before this, and
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Hollywood-produced show that's
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potentially, but if you're
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video, oh, did you see the video
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video as a featured consumption
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ecosystem.
I think that people are going to

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get familiar with
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again, and that
excites me.
And how that will then, how the

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usage of that will
bring out
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and change the
ecosystem for
better discovery, better

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recommendations, better

consumption, better engagement,

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as these things are then brought

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ecosystem.
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question in the chat that I'm
gonna ask you in just a second,

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Daniel, but are you saying
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Is
that what you're telling
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Is that is that breaking news
here
on the podcasting morning

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show?
Daniel J.

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Lewis: No, I am not
moving to
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If anything, I would be copying
my audio, but
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still front and center for
podcasting that I do,
as well

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as I think for anyone out there
thinking of starting a


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podcast, I think they should
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audio is so much easier to do.
It's so much cheaper to do, and

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still get really good results.
Some people are saying, "Oh, the

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audio podcast is dead, video
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We're going to have
successful
audio podcasts for many years to

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come, you do not
have to be in
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You don't even have
to publish
video at all if you don't want

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to, and a lot of
people just
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afford to, because
once you
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than doubling your
expenses of
your time, your money, the

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equipment that you
need.
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don't need
lighting for an
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You can be as ugly as you want
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people will not see you.
You do not have to
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don't have to do your hair, your
makeup, you don't
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worry about what you're wearing,
you don't have to worry
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the colors, the patterns of the
clothes you're wearing,
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is so much easier, and I think
in podcasting audio still
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be supreme, but you do see a lot
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that's what someday I will also
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content also in video, but to me
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Ralph Estep Jr.: Yeah, I'm

already doing that.

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I was pretty quick to jump on
this HLS thing,
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doing it from the standpoint of
I'm putting out
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and video file, but it gives
people the option
if they want

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to watch it.
But let me get to Tim's

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He's got two questions,

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actually.
Tim says, since I'm at
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can't come on stage.
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what
is his strategy to make
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conference.
We've
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conference coming up in August
called
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Three.
What has been your strategy,

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Daniel,
to make the most of
those podcasting conferences?

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Daniel J.
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introvert, I know this can be a
little bit of a struggle.

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What
I'm about to say, I'm an
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middle.
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the side of introvert.
I
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choice, but then I can appear to

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with, that can connect you with
other people, but just try and


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have conversations with people.
It's not about being outgoing


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and super enthusiastic in
anything, but just talk to


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people, come up with some
typical questions that you might

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ask people.
What brings you to this

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conference?
Oh, what's your
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what's your podcast
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What are you doing in
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conversations, but here's the

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very important thing about going

to conferences, it's not just

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about the conversations, it's

about what happens after that.

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So, whether you are attending

the sessions or you're having

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conversations in the hallways,

take notes.

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I have on my business card, I
have space on
the back of my

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business cards, blank space, and
I made sure
that where I got

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my business cards printed that
this would
work, where on the

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back there's a nice blank space
on the bottom
of my business

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cards that allows someone to
write something, or
maybe I

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can write something on the
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business cards, like if they
have a particular episode that I

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want to recommend to them, a
resource that we've talked


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about, maybe.
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I want them to
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them, or maybe
they want to
write on it, and any card that I

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receive from
them, I also try
to write something on it.

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I write what we
talked about,
I write if there's something to

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follow up about,
and now we
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you can connect
through those
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them have the
opportunity to
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or about a
person, and take
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when you get
back from the
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One of the other
cool things
that you can do at a conference,

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and this is a more
modern
technology, I will get out my

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noisy keychain to show
this on
the video and explain what this

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is, I have a little
key fob on
my keychain that right now has

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no branding on it,
but this is
an NFC device that, if you get

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this near a phone, it
will pop
up a notification on the phone,

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and when that
notification is
opened, it will, and the nice

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thing about this
is, this is
so much easier than QR codes.

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Like to use a QR code,
you
have to unlock your phone, open

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the camera app, tap on the

button that it loads the page

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and loads the URL for you.
And
what the NFC thing does,

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it's called a podcast beacon, is
you
just tap your phone on it,

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and it pops up a notification.
You
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and it takes you to a web page.
So, on
that web page, you can

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make that go wherever you want.
What I
have it do is go to a

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landing page where people can
follow my
podcast from there,

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but maybe during the conference
I could
change it to be my

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contact information or a
particular
episode I'm

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frequently talking about at that
conference, or
maybe even

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simply a Google Doc, where it's
everything I've
shared with

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everyone this week, or my notes
from my session.

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So
this is a more modern way,
but it's all about connecting

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with
people, and then most
importantly, what happens after

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that?
The follow-up, if it is a

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conversation that needs to be

had later, schedule that.

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If it's a podcast interview,

schedule that.

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They're at the conference, say,
'Hey, let's
schedule a time to

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do an interview.
Look at your
calendar.

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Let's sit down and pick a time
and date right now.

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Ralph Estep Jr.: No, I think

those are brilliant things, and

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I think those are things that

all of our audience can take

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away right now.
I love the RF
idea, that's a

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really brilliant idea, because
you're right,
there's a lot of

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friction with the QR code, and
the follow-up,
I think, is

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brilliant.
Let me go to Tim's second

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question, and
you ready for
this one, Daniel?

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He is going to push it a little
bit here on you, my friend.

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It's, he says, if you could

change one thing about

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podcasting and only one thing,

what would it be?

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Daniel J.
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thing.

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I think it would be unifying the
features in the
podcast apps.

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The style of the implementation
of features can
vary between

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the apps, as these apps can have
different
opinions, but I

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would love it if just every app
had cross-app
comments, had

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ratings and reviews, had all the
same
features, so that we

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don't have to juggle different
apps or
switch because we want

430
00:23:14,378 --> 00:23:18,214
a certain feature or pressure
the app
developers to support

431
00:23:18,214 --> 00:23:22,000
a new feature, like I'm involved
in
podcasting 2.0 and one of

432
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,510
the coolest features in
podcasting
2.0 is also one of

433
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:28,660
the ones that is the most
difficult to try and
implement

434
00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:31,722
right now, because there's not
really an agreed
standard, and

435
00:23:31,722 --> 00:23:34,920
that is cross app comments.
Think of it this way,
the

436
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,314
ability for you in, let's just
pick a couple of podcast
apps

437
00:23:38,314 --> 00:23:40,003
here, theoretically here,
because these don't support it


438
00:23:40,011 --> 00:23:42,211
right now, but let's say you're
listening in Overcast.

439
00:23:42,211 --> 00:23:46,093
You could
comment on an
episode, and then someone who's

440
00:23:46,093 --> 00:23:49,783
listening with
Pocket Casts
could respond to your comment,

441
00:23:49,783 --> 00:23:53,710
and then someone
who was
watching the video on Apple

442
00:23:53,710 --> 00:23:57,490
Podcasts could also post
their
own comment or respond to the

443
00:23:57,490 --> 00:23:58,810
others.
That's cross-app
comments,

444
00:23:58,810 --> 00:24:02,628
where the apps can work with the
comments
regardless of what

445
00:24:02,628 --> 00:24:05,145
apps there are.
That's the kind of thing I


446
00:24:05,153 --> 00:24:08,530
would love to see, where
podcasters can engage with their

447
00:24:08,530 --> 00:24:11,578

audiences, and audiences can
engage with each other.

448
00:24:11,578 --> 00:24:15,890
But to
get there, we need all
of the apps supporting all the

449
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:19,225
same
features, and that's why
I'm so involved with podcasting

450
00:24:19,225 --> 00:24:21,474
2.0 Ralph Estep Jr.: Well, let's
go
ahead and shift them,

451
00:24:21,474 --> 00:24:23,015
because that's actually a great
transition.

452
00:24:23,015 --> 00:24:25,478
So, Tim, thank you for those two
questions.

453
00:24:25,478 --> 00:24:27,230
So, DR: can I ask a question?
Ralph Estep Jr.: Go ahead, Dr.


454
00:24:27,238 --> 00:24:28,604
I'm sorry, I didn't see you
wanting to make a question.

455
00:24:28,604 --> 00:24:34,026
Go
ahead, Dr. DR: No problem.
So, Daniel 2.0
has the talk

456
00:24:34,026 --> 00:24:37,926
has been around for quite a long
time.

457
00:24:37,926 --> 00:24:42,896
What is it
that is getting in
the way of making it a full

458
00:24:42,896 --> 00:24:45,559
blown okay,
it's here.
Do you know what I mean?

459
00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:48,895
Instead of it's coming,
you
know what I'm saying, it's just

460
00:24:48,895 --> 00:24:52,849
not on everyone's top list.
Daniel J.

461
00:24:52,849 --> 00:24:56,424
Lewis: For some
developers,
it's that they're waiting to see

462
00:24:56,424 --> 00:24:59,529
what Apple does.

Apple, for so many years, has

463
00:24:59,649 --> 00:25:01,533
been like.
The sheriff of the
town

464
00:25:01,533 --> 00:25:04,169
setting the rules and
everything, but the sheriff has

465
00:25:04,169 --> 00:25:06,389
gotten old and he's not
innovating anymore.

466
00:25:06,389 --> 00:25:10,121
He's not
meeting the needs of
the town so much anymore.

467
00:25:10,121 --> 00:25:13,989
So, so many
developers are
like, well, I'm not going to do

468
00:25:13,989 --> 00:25:16,807
it if Apple's
not doing it,
but now that Apple is supporting

469
00:25:16,807 --> 00:25:19,793
some of these
features, like
Apple supports transcripts, they

470
00:25:19,793 --> 00:25:23,896
support
podcasting 2.0
chapters, and there could be

471
00:25:23,896 --> 00:25:26,842
some other
support coming soon
for some other things for

472
00:25:26,842 --> 00:25:30,119
podcasting 2.0
Now it is
inspiring more developers to

473
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,829
realize, oh, okay,
if Apple is
doing it, maybe I should also do

474
00:25:33,829 --> 00:25:35,449
it too.
So, for
many developers,

475
00:25:35,449 --> 00:25:39,263
though, they're just one guy
somewhere, not in
his mom's

476
00:25:39,263 --> 00:25:42,717
basement, but some of them are
pretty wealthy, but
they have

477
00:25:42,717 --> 00:25:47,329
to prioritize what they work on,
and if there's not
enough of a

478
00:25:47,329 --> 00:25:51,069
demand for it, and I would say
polite demand, then
they're

479
00:25:51,069 --> 00:25:55,113
not going to be interested in
doing it, like
even Marco, who

480
00:25:55,113 --> 00:25:58,791
develops Overcast, has said
before, I am
not going to

481
00:25:58,791 --> 00:26:02,169
support these features in
podcasting 2.0 well,
just

482
00:26:02,169 --> 00:26:05,765
recently, a few months ago, he
said, "Here are these new


483
00:26:05,773 --> 00:26:08,054
features coming, and they're
podcasting 2.0 features that


484
00:26:08,062 --> 00:26:12,449
he's building that support for,
and it's because of the kind


485
00:26:12,457 --> 00:26:16,229
demand, and I say kind because
don't send messages to your


486
00:26:16,237 --> 00:26:18,398
podcast app saying, "Why aren't
you supporting this?

487
00:26:18,398 --> 00:26:19,868
You're
dumb, you're stupid,
I'm leaving.

488
00:26:19,868 --> 00:26:22,082
Goodbye.
No, kindly
request that they

489
00:26:22,082 --> 00:26:25,585
support these things, and the
more podcasters
who put these

490
00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:30,271
features in their podcast feeds,
then that shows
that there is

491
00:26:30,271 --> 00:26:35,869
the supply for it, and the more
podcast app users
who request

492
00:26:35,869 --> 00:26:39,568
these features then are creating
the demand for it,
so it's a

493
00:26:39,568 --> 00:26:43,383
supply and demand coming from
both sides, and as
the podcast

494
00:26:43,383 --> 00:26:46,797
app developers see that, then
they can start
building the

495
00:26:46,797 --> 00:26:50,913
support and prioritizing what
helps people
stay inside the

496
00:26:50,913 --> 00:26:55,407
podcast app and what ultimately
serves their
podcast app

497
00:26:55,407 --> 00:26:57,250
users.
DR: Okay.

498
00:26:57,250 --> 00:26:59,305
Thank you.
Ralph Estep Jr.: Thank you,


499
00:26:59,313 --> 00:27:00,969
Daniel.
Well, at some point, Daniel, in

500
00:27:00,969 --> 00:27:04,100
your journey, your
work
shifted from just doing the show

501
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:05,395
to building for other

podcasters.

502
00:27:05,395 --> 00:27:08,665
So, I want to talk about
Podgagement first, and
that is

503
00:27:08,665 --> 00:27:11,154
a product that I know you've
been working.

504
00:27:11,154 --> 00:27:14,514
So, what
was the problem you
were seeing that made you want

505
00:27:14,514 --> 00:27:16,260
to build
Podgagement?
What was broken?

506
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:18,168
Daniel J.
Lewis: Podgagement
first

507
00:27:18,168 --> 00:27:22,012
started as a product called My
Podcast Reviews, and
now, so

508
00:27:22,012 --> 00:27:26,670
pod gaugement as a product has
existed for over 12
years at

509
00:27:26,670 --> 00:27:31,305
this point, and I started it
because back then the
only way

510
00:27:31,305 --> 00:27:34,070
that you could see all your
reviews.

511
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:36,950
Let me back up.

Actually, in Apple Podcasts,

512
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:42,328
Apple makes a podcast available
in up to 175 different

513
00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:46,400
countries right now, each one of
those 175
countries have their

514
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,098
own catalog of Apple Podcasts,
their own
copy, their own

515
00:27:50,098 --> 00:27:53,810
rankings, and for every podcast
inside of
Apple Podcasts in

516
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:57,692
those different countries there
could
be reviews, but they are

517
00:27:57,692 --> 00:28:03,106
only in that country's catalog.
So back
when I started my

518
00:28:03,106 --> 00:28:08,319
podcast reviews, the only way
you could
possibly see those

519
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:12,150
reviews was through some really
complicated
switching around,

520
00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:15,610
and it wasn't even possible on
the iPhone to
do.

521
00:28:15,610 --> 00:28:18,580
Now there are some other ways
that you can do it that
Apple

522
00:28:18,580 --> 00:28:21,548
has made available, but still
takes so many clicks to go


523
00:28:21,556 --> 00:28:23,864
through, looking for your
ratings and reviews, and then


524
00:28:23,872 --> 00:28:26,600
you have to try and manually
keep track of what's new, what's

525
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,240

old, whatever you're already
seeing, all of that stuff.

526
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,534
So,
my podcast reviews was
originally created to do all of

527
00:28:32,534 --> 00:28:36,010
that for you, automatically
check all 175 places, plus some

528
00:28:36,010 --> 00:28:39,645
other apps and catalogs to
collect those reviews and notify

529
00:28:39,645 --> 00:28:43,438

you when you have them, saving
you all kinds of clicks on your

530
00:28:43,438 --> 00:28:45,160
own and saving you lots of
time.

531
00:28:46,090 --> 00:28:49,810
Now, Podgage meant the reason I
rebranded it and built it

532
00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:52,510
completely over from scratch is
to make it work faster and to

533
00:28:52,540 --> 00:28:55,120
make it do a whole lot more,

because now it's not just about

534
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,076
reviews, it's about engagement.


535
00:28:57,084 --> 00:29:02,266
So, I wanted to help podcasters
use their reviews to more deeply

536
00:29:02,266 --> 00:29:06,348

engage with their audience,
and use feedback to do that, and

537
00:29:06,348 --> 00:29:08,640
be
able to track this
engagement.

538
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,393
While there are many places that

allow you to measure the

539
00:29:11,393 --> 00:29:15,617
breadth of your audience and how
wide
your reach is, I want to

540
00:29:15,617 --> 00:29:19,398
focus on the depth, however big
your
audience is, deepening

541
00:29:19,398 --> 00:29:22,599
that relationship with your
audience
through reviews,

542
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:25,654
through feedback, through
search,
through networking

543
00:29:25,654 --> 00:29:29,342
with other podcasters, and these
are all
features that then

544
00:29:29,342 --> 00:29:33,626
I've built into pod engagement
to help you
supercharge your

545
00:29:33,626 --> 00:29:36,962
engagement with your audience,
because it's not
just

546
00:29:36,962 --> 00:29:40,725
collecting these things or that
these things exist that


547
00:29:40,733 --> 00:29:45,484
matters, it's what you do with
them, and how you inspire your


548
00:29:45,492 --> 00:29:49,095
audience to take action.
Ralph Estep Jr.: So, let's talk

549
00:29:49,095 --> 00:29:50,841
about what pod engagement
actually does.

550
00:29:50,841 --> 00:29:54,556
How does a
podcaster use it on
a day-to-day basis?

551
00:29:54,556 --> 00:29:57,626
What does it help them
do?
Who's it built for?

552
00:29:57,626 --> 00:30:00,317
And give us the, you know, one
to about
30,000 A foot view,

553
00:30:00,317 --> 00:30:02,669
and then exactly why we would
want to get
this product.

554
00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:04,779
Daniel J.
Lewis: So, pod
gaugement is

555
00:30:04,779 --> 00:30:07,020
for podcasters who want to
engage with their
audiences

556
00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:10,165
and track their success beyond
just the
downloads.

557
00:30:10,165 --> 00:30:14,060
It starts by checking your
ratings and reviews in 175


558
00:30:14,068 --> 00:30:17,055
different countries, plus a few
other apps, and there aren't


559
00:30:17,063 --> 00:30:19,915
very many other apps that
support ratings and reviews, but

560
00:30:19,915 --> 00:30:23,130

we check them and notify you
automatically when you receive a

561
00:30:23,130 --> 00:30:26,023

new rating review, so you can
do something with that.

562
00:30:26,023 --> 00:30:29,607
You can
embed it on your
website, you could copy it to

563
00:30:29,607 --> 00:30:32,460
your show
notes, so you could
read that review, thank that

564
00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:34,185
audience
member in your
podcast.

565
00:30:34,185 --> 00:30:37,109
You can generate images with
them, so
none of this having

566
00:30:37,109 --> 00:30:39,285
to copy, paste, take
screenshots, all of
this stuff

567
00:30:39,285 --> 00:30:43,221
with just a few clicks, you can
generate an
image in multiple

568
00:30:43,221 --> 00:30:46,789
aspect ratios, so a square image
perfect for
Instagram, a tall

569
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:50,428
image perfect for Pinterest, a
wide image
perfect for video,

570
00:30:50,428 --> 00:30:54,420
even that perfect precise aspect
ratio
that you need for social

571
00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:56,122
networks.
We also have that in
there, so

572
00:30:56,122 --> 00:30:58,770
just with a few clicks, you can
download this
high-quality

573
00:30:58,770 --> 00:31:02,020
image, control it a little bit,
get some branding of
your own,

574
00:31:02,020 --> 00:31:06,365
so it looks great as well.
Then you can use those
reviews

575
00:31:06,365 --> 00:31:10,311
to do things in your podcast to
deeper engage with
your

576
00:31:10,311 --> 00:31:12,900
audience, which I'll mention how
to do that in a
moment.

577
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:16,128
The other thing that you can do
in pod engagement is
collect

578
00:31:16,128 --> 00:31:19,423
feedback from your audience, so
it's not just the
reviews,

579
00:31:19,423 --> 00:31:22,803
because in places like Apple
Podcasts, you can leave a


580
00:31:22,811 --> 00:31:26,353
review only once.
You can edit the review, but you

581
00:31:26,353 --> 00:31:29,979
can't leave
multiple reviews.
It's just the one review that

582
00:31:29,979 --> 00:31:32,604
you're working
with.
So, that's where feedback comes

583
00:31:32,604 --> 00:31:34,596
in.
And Podgagement
provides a

584
00:31:34,596 --> 00:31:36,771
landing page that podcasters can
use.

585
00:31:36,771 --> 00:31:39,717
It's very
speakable, like mine
is Podcast feedback.com/audacity

586
00:31:39,717 --> 00:31:45,482
and people
go there, and it's
very focused on one goal, and

587
00:31:45,482 --> 00:31:48,524
that is sending
feedback.
You can write your feedback, or

588
00:31:48,524 --> 00:31:50,568
you can record your
feedback
through that.

589
00:31:50,568 --> 00:31:53,124
And then, for the podcaster, it
transcribes that, sends them

590
00:31:53,124 --> 00:31:55,890
the audio file, so they can play

that in their podcast if they

591
00:31:55,890 --> 00:31:57,312
want.
They also get the
transcript,

592
00:31:57,312 --> 00:32:01,311
so they can see briefly what the
feedback is
about, and so

593
00:32:01,311 --> 00:32:04,450
these two kinds of audience
engagement reviews and


594
00:32:04,458 --> 00:32:06,993
feedback.
When you include them in your

595
00:32:06,993 --> 00:32:08,577
podcast, it does three

different things.

596
00:32:08,577 --> 00:32:12,210
I'll mention briefly, one is for
that person
who sent that

597
00:32:12,210 --> 00:32:15,212
review or that feedback, they
now feel like a
celebrity.

598
00:32:15,212 --> 00:32:17,937
It's like, hey, Mom, I was on a
podcast, you gotta
check this

599
00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:19,722
out.
They want to tell other people

600
00:32:19,722 --> 00:32:22,232
about it.
They
have more deeply engaged

601
00:32:22,232 --> 00:32:24,735
now with the podcast, so they're

going to be more likely to

602
00:32:24,735 --> 00:32:27,930
stick around as well.
The other thing
it does is for

603
00:32:27,930 --> 00:32:31,148
other people listening, they
suddenly think,
"Hey, wait a

604
00:32:31,148 --> 00:32:34,425
minute, I want my question
answered, I want my
review

605
00:32:34,425 --> 00:32:38,406
read, I want my joke told, I
want my story shared, so
they

606
00:32:38,406 --> 00:32:42,180
get in on the action too by
including some engagement in


607
00:32:42,188 --> 00:32:45,249
your podcast, it inspires other
engagement as well.

608
00:32:45,249 --> 00:32:49,325
The third
thing it does is for
everyone else, they see you

609
00:32:49,325 --> 00:32:52,093
engaging with
your audience,
and maybe you are mentioning,

610
00:32:52,093 --> 00:32:56,082
oh, so and so from
Zimbabwe
sent this review of the podcast,

611
00:32:56,082 --> 00:32:59,175
and someone from
England sent
me this feedback.

612
00:32:59,175 --> 00:33:01,125
Here it is, I'm going to play it

for you, you can hear their

613
00:33:01,125 --> 00:33:04,305
lovely British accent, and

here's someone from South Africa

614
00:33:04,305 --> 00:33:06,495
who asked this question.
So,
someone else is out there

615
00:33:06,495 --> 00:33:10,384
listening to this and realizing,

wow, she's a big deal.

616
00:33:10,384 --> 00:33:13,074
She's got these listeners all
over the
world, she's

617
00:33:13,074 --> 00:33:17,649
answering their questions, and
she took the time
to answer my

618
00:33:17,649 --> 00:33:20,031
question too.
Wow, this is amazing.

619
00:33:20,031 --> 00:33:22,728
So, you're
deepening the
relationship, you are empowering

620
00:33:22,728 --> 00:33:24,891
your audience to
spread more
for you.

621
00:33:24,891 --> 00:33:27,270
So, Podgageman is providing that
for
you.

622
00:33:27,270 --> 00:33:30,715
The simple landing pages, like
the lovethepodcast.com is
the

623
00:33:30,715 --> 00:33:34,693
other landing page that is for
collecting ratings and
reviews

624
00:33:34,693 --> 00:33:37,700
for your podcast.
Beyond that, we also track your

625
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:41,185
ranking
in all of the global
charts, nearly 34,000 charts out

626
00:33:41,185 --> 00:33:44,607
there
that you could rank in,
and we're checking all of that

627
00:33:44,607 --> 00:33:47,463
for
you, because ain't nobody
got time for that to check it


628
00:33:47,471 --> 00:33:49,233
themselves.
We check that automatically and

629
00:33:49,233 --> 00:33:51,396
track your
ranking in that
over time.

630
00:33:51,396 --> 00:33:53,530
We've got years of history
behind
that.

631
00:33:53,530 --> 00:33:56,700
A brand new feature just
launched is that you can now add

632
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:59,718

in the search terms you want
your podcast to be found for,


633
00:33:59,726 --> 00:34:03,815
and we will track that inside of
Apple Podcasts, and this tracks

634
00:34:03,815 --> 00:34:07,588
it very accurately, even down
to separating it into the

635
00:34:07,588 --> 00:34:10,197
different
search results that
Apple Podcast shows, like the

636
00:34:10,197 --> 00:34:12,714
top
results, the podcast
results, and the episode

637
00:34:12,714 --> 00:34:15,253
results.
We
track that, so you can see

638
00:34:15,253 --> 00:34:17,472
how your podcast ranks for those

search terms.

639
00:34:17,472 --> 00:34:20,154
You can experiment with things
like adding new
episodes that

640
00:34:20,154 --> 00:34:23,283
use those search terms and see
how that adjusts
your ranking.

641
00:34:23,283 --> 00:34:26,379
We also do a thing that I call
networking, where
when you

642
00:34:26,379 --> 00:34:28,770
look at your podcast and Apple
Podcasts, scroll down
to the

643
00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:32,172
bottom, you might see a list of
you might also like, or


644
00:34:32,181 --> 00:34:34,665
listeners also subscribe to.
This is outgoing networking,


645
00:34:34,672 --> 00:34:37,514
where it's the podcast
recommended from yours,


646
00:34:37,523 --> 00:34:39,902
algorithmically recommended by
the platform.

647
00:34:39,902 --> 00:34:42,978
I call that
outgoing
networking, and yes, you can see

648
00:34:42,978 --> 00:34:45,860
that yourself, but
the other
thing that we do is we track

649
00:34:45,860 --> 00:34:49,376
among the millions of
podcasts
out there, which of them are

650
00:34:49,376 --> 00:34:53,657
pointing back in to
your
podcast, that is something that

651
00:34:53,657 --> 00:34:56,679
would be impossible for you
to
track yourself, and the reason I

652
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,980
call that networking is

because that's what it helps you

653
00:34:58,980 --> 00:35:01,520
to do, you can see.
E these are
podcasts where you

654
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,769
have some kind of crossover
audience,
maybe these are

655
00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:08,491
similar topics, but what it can
tell you is
these are other

656
00:35:08,491 --> 00:35:11,037
podcasts with whom you should
network, you
could

657
00:35:11,037 --> 00:35:14,115
collaborate, you could cross
promote, you could cross


658
00:35:14,123 --> 00:35:17,799
guest, even just some simple
competitive analysis if you


659
00:35:17,807 --> 00:35:22,010
wanted to, but it's a networking
feature that we track inside of

660
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:25,245
Podgage, and there's more, more
landing pages to help you grow


661
00:35:25,253 --> 00:35:28,847
your audience, and more coming
in the future, even to help you

662
00:35:28,847 --> 00:35:31,638
monetize your audience and
collect support from your


663
00:35:31,646 --> 00:35:33,570
audience.
It's all really about

664
00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:36,595
supercharging that engagement.
Ralph Estep Jr.: Thank you,


665
00:35:36,603 --> 00:35:37,820
Daniel.
I do have a question from Sid

666
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:38,780
Meadow.
Sid, go ahead.

667
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,355
Sid Meadows: Good morning,

everybody.

668
00:35:41,355 --> 00:35:46,090
Great to see you guys today.
Daniel, I've been using
your

669
00:35:46,090 --> 00:35:51,015
product since 2011 Yeah, no,
2021 sorry, 2021 And I


670
00:35:51,023 --> 00:35:53,869
absolutely love it.
I started when it was my podcast

671
00:35:53,869 --> 00:35:55,221
reviews,
and it was such a
great way.

672
00:35:55,221 --> 00:35:57,760
I loved getting that email when
I
could see that I got a new

673
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,170
review, and not too long ago I

went in and used your branding

674
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,443
tool to create the to create the

snippets of them and put them

675
00:36:05,443 --> 00:36:08,409
on my website, which was also
super
easy, because before we

676
00:36:08,409 --> 00:36:11,480
were doing that in Canva, and
you
know, copying and going

677
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,304
into the Canva, we made our own
graphic,
and you just made it

678
00:36:14,304 --> 00:36:18,006
so easy, I'm like, in one click
I have an
image in my branding

679
00:36:18,006 --> 00:36:20,992
colors and downloaded it and put
it up on
our website, so thank

680
00:36:20,992 --> 00:36:22,730
you for the product.
I'm really enjoying
it,

681
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:24,480
though.
I don't go out there very much

682
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,476
for lots of different
reasons.
I am logging, I just logged in

683
00:36:27,476 --> 00:36:31,278
listening to you talk,
and but
I'm super interested in learning

684
00:36:31,278 --> 00:36:36,523
about the podcast SEO
and
putting in my keywords and see

685
00:36:36,523 --> 00:36:40,046
how I'm doing there.
What my
question for you is,

686
00:36:40,046 --> 00:36:43,216
why just Apple?
Why not other platforms?


687
00:36:43,224 --> 00:36:48,322
Because I know, and we've talked
about it here in the past, that

688
00:36:48,322 --> 00:36:51,541
Apple is in the search.
When people go into search,

689
00:36:51,541 --> 00:36:55,114
they're
looking at the title
of your show and the title of

690
00:36:55,114 --> 00:36:57,010
your
episode and not anything
else.

691
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:59,650
And then Spotify is looking at

other things, and who knows what

692
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,066
all the other ones are looking

at.

693
00:37:01,066 --> 00:37:03,915
So why just Apple, and do you
have a plan to expand beyond


694
00:37:03,923 --> 00:37:06,190
that for the SEO part?
Daniel J.

695
00:37:06,190 --> 00:37:08,454
Lewis: Yeah, and the
reason
why it's just Apple now is this

696
00:37:08,454 --> 00:37:11,310
feature just launched.

Apple was the easiest to

697
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,160
support, and the reason I

prioritize Apple for everything

698
00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:19,200
that I do first that comes to

Apple first is because Apple is

699
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:23,150
still the number one true

podcast app, but there will be

700
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:26,900
also support for Spotify coming
soon, and then bringing in

701
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:29,216
support for other apps and

systems as well.

702
00:37:29,216 --> 00:37:33,200
It's just Apple was the one I
wanted to support
most,

703
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,848
especially since the whole
regional thing with Apple makes

704
00:37:36,848 --> 00:37:41,134
so much impossible for
podcasters to do, and with the


705
00:37:41,142 --> 00:37:44,140
separate catalogs and
everything, and so that's why I

706
00:37:44,140 --> 00:37:47,170
like to support Apple first in
their features, and when I say


707
00:37:47,178 --> 00:37:49,960
support Apple first, that
doesn't mean you have to have an

708
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,715

Apple device to use
Podgagement or any of my tools,

709
00:37:52,715 --> 00:37:55,490
but it's I'm
supporting the
Apple Podcast ecosystem first,

710
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:57,940
so yes, other
platforms are
coming soon.

711
00:37:58,810 --> 00:38:01,210
Ralph Estep Jr.: Great, Sid, and

Sid, you took away my question

712
00:38:01,210 --> 00:38:03,660
I was going to ask Daniel next,
which is great, and that is to

713
00:38:03,690 --> 00:38:05,866
use a real example.
So, it
sounds like Sid, you

714
00:38:05,866 --> 00:38:08,100
are the real example using the
product.

715
00:38:08,970 --> 00:38:10,272
Sid Meadows: Yeah, I really

enjoy the product.

716
00:38:10,272 --> 00:38:13,574
We do have on every landing, we
do an end of,
we have a

717
00:38:13,574 --> 00:38:17,512
podcast page, and then a landing
page for each episode,
and on

718
00:38:17,512 --> 00:38:21,604
each, the landing page, and on
each episode page, we
have the

719
00:38:21,604 --> 00:38:25,005
Love My Podcast button for
people to click and easily


720
00:38:25,013 --> 00:38:27,398
leave a review, rather than
having to go directly into the


721
00:38:27,406 --> 00:38:28,868
player to do it, as an
encouragement.

722
00:38:28,868 --> 00:38:33,370
But what I found,
as it
relates to reviews, I get them

723
00:38:33,370 --> 00:38:37,297
when I ask for them, not
just
because I have a button on my

724
00:38:37,297 --> 00:38:41,273
landing pages, right?
But I
really enjoy, like,

725
00:38:41,273 --> 00:38:42,742
everything is right there for
me.

726
00:38:42,742 --> 00:38:45,718
I can go
and look, I can see
the rankings, and now you've

727
00:38:45,718 --> 00:38:48,622
added
keywords.
It's going to help make me more

728
00:38:48,622 --> 00:38:52,566
informed and help
us look at
our strategy of what we're doing

729
00:38:52,566 --> 00:38:54,568
with keywords.
So,
I'm a big fan of the

730
00:38:54,568 --> 00:38:56,590
product.
Yes, and it's extremely


731
00:38:56,598 --> 00:38:58,844
affordable.
Ralph, we were talking about

732
00:38:58,844 --> 00:39:01,670
tech stacks the
other day, and
what are you paid for?

733
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:03,870
Hodg gaugement is extremely

affordable.

734
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,230
Daniel J.
Lewis: Thank you so
much.

735
00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:09,495
DR: That's what was my question,

was is there tiers, and what

736
00:39:09,495 --> 00:39:12,400
is the difference between the

tiers, if there are tiers, and

737
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,700
what are the price points?
Daniel J.

738
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,770
Lewis: Yeah, so it has
a very
astronomical theme to it.

739
00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:21,340
So the tiers are Astro

Constellation, and there's a new

740
00:39:21,340 --> 00:39:24,469
tier coming in the future called

Pathfinder.

741
00:39:24,469 --> 00:39:28,341
Astro focuses on just your
ratings and reviews,
think

742
00:39:28,341 --> 00:39:31,337
star Astro, that's what Astro
means, is star.

743
00:39:31,337 --> 00:39:34,215
So it
focuses on only your
ratings and reviews.

744
00:39:34,215 --> 00:39:37,365
If that's all that
matters to
you, that's the plan for you.

745
00:39:37,365 --> 00:39:41,005
And that's at $9 a
month per
podcast, and you get two months

746
00:39:41,005 --> 00:39:44,615
free if you, if you
pay per
year, and there's a free trial

747
00:39:44,615 --> 00:39:47,586
for all of this as well,
so
you can try it free and see how

748
00:39:47,586 --> 00:39:50,972
you like it for your
podcast.
Constellation is the next tier

749
00:39:50,972 --> 00:39:54,537
up, and that adds on
all of
the other features right now

750
00:39:54,537 --> 00:39:58,190
that are in pod gaugement,
so
that's the charts and rankings

751
00:39:58,190 --> 00:40:00,150
feature, the networking

feature.

752
00:40:00,150 --> 00:40:03,181
The SEO feature, the
monetization feature, when that

753
00:40:03,181 --> 00:40:06,730
comes soon, for you to be able
to collect money from your


754
00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:10,525
audience and let them donate or
support your podcast, and some


755
00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:13,219
other features that I have
planned for that, the feedback


756
00:40:13,227 --> 00:40:15,715
feature, I can't remember if I
mentioned that, but the


757
00:40:15,723 --> 00:40:18,505
voicemail feedback and the
messaging, and also the ability

758
00:40:18,505 --> 00:40:21,427
for people to leave reviews
directly to your podcast,


759
00:40:21,435 --> 00:40:24,865
instead of having to create an
account and go out somewhere


760
00:40:24,873 --> 00:40:27,367
else, that's all in the
Constellation tier, the


761
00:40:27,375 --> 00:40:30,595
Pathfinder tier.
So, Astro and Constellation are

762
00:40:30,595 --> 00:40:32,995
definitely
focused on the
podcaster.

763
00:40:32,995 --> 00:40:37,701
The upcoming Pathfinder tier
will be
focused more on the

764
00:40:37,701 --> 00:40:41,280
researcher who might have their
own
podcast, or maybe even a

765
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,359
guest expert who might have
their own
podcast or might

766
00:40:44,359 --> 00:40:48,592
not, but they want to research
other podcasts,
so while Astro

767
00:40:48,592 --> 00:40:52,194
and Constellation focus on you
add your podcast
and we will

768
00:40:52,194 --> 00:40:55,237
track it automatically on a
recurring
basis, let you know

769
00:40:55,237 --> 00:40:58,726
what changes, what comes in
through
your podcast for you,

770
00:40:58,726 --> 00:41:01,722
Pathfinder will be more for I'm
a guest.

771
00:41:01,722 --> 00:41:04,105
I
want to find podcasts out
there.

772
00:41:04,105 --> 00:41:07,059
I want to run a quick report.
I
want to see who are the top

773
00:41:07,059 --> 00:41:10,735
10 podcasts that do this, or I
want
to see all of the

774
00:41:10,735 --> 00:41:14,865
podcasts on business that have a
minimum of
100 global ratings

775
00:41:14,865 --> 00:41:17,671
and reviews and have appeared in
the chart
at least once.

776
00:41:17,671 --> 00:41:20,437
So it allows you to do more
research to find
these

777
00:41:20,437 --> 00:41:22,669
podcasts or discover the
relationships between different

778
00:41:22,669 --> 00:41:26,260
podcasts, like that networking
feature, but more focused on the

779
00:41:26,260 --> 00:41:29,432

kind of the research or the
analysis aspect of it.

780
00:41:29,432 --> 00:41:32,284
Even if
you don't have your
own podcast, that's the

781
00:41:32,284 --> 00:41:34,660
Pathfinder feature
that will
be coming later on.

782
00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:37,192
And pricing for that is not

available yet.

783
00:41:37,192 --> 00:41:40,030
Oh, pricing for Constellation, I
didn't mention
that, that's

784
00:41:40,030 --> 00:41:43,675
$19 a month per podcast, or you
get again two
months free if

785
00:41:43,675 --> 00:41:46,150
you pay yearly.
Ralph Estep Jr.: And we're going

786
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:48,283

to put links to this in the
show notes today, Daniel.

787
00:41:48,283 --> 00:41:49,755
But very
affordable, I would
say.

788
00:41:49,755 --> 00:41:52,682
I'm the money guy on the show,
and I
think all of those plans

789
00:41:52,682 --> 00:41:55,069
are very affordable.
Now, I want to
talk a little

790
00:41:55,069 --> 00:41:57,555
bit, since we've only got about
15 minutes left
this morning.

791
00:41:57,555 --> 00:41:59,870
I want to talk about Pod
Chapters, because
that's

792
00:41:59,870 --> 00:42:04,413
another one of the products that
you've built
specifically for

793
00:42:04,413 --> 00:42:07,894
podcasters, and where did the
idea come from for
that one?

794
00:42:07,894 --> 00:42:09,960
Daniel, Daniel J.
Lewis: I'm the type
that I

795
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,284
like to innovate more than
invent.

796
00:42:11,284 --> 00:42:14,869
I mentioned that
earlier, and
in my own podcasting workflow to

797
00:42:14,869 --> 00:42:19,145
add
chapters and a transcript
to my podcast, I realized I was

798
00:42:19,145 --> 00:42:22,888
working across five different
apps or more, and taking about


799
00:42:22,896 --> 00:42:27,958
30 minutes to get this stuff
done, that's a very small piece

800
00:42:27,958 --> 00:42:31,677
of the technology stack.
And at some point I just

801
00:42:31,677 --> 00:42:34,335
thought, why
don't I just
build something to try and

802
00:42:34,335 --> 00:42:37,667
automate this more for
myself?
And as I started building it,

803
00:42:37,667 --> 00:42:40,312
and the first time
I saw it
work, I realized this is

804
00:42:40,312 --> 00:42:42,247
magical.
This other
podcasters might

805
00:42:42,247 --> 00:42:45,540
want this too.
So, at its core, Pod Chapters is

806
00:42:45,540 --> 00:42:48,560

about creating chapters for
your podcast, which present all

807
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,675
kinds
of opportunities for
your audience that at a glance

808
00:42:51,675 --> 00:42:53,722
they
can see what the episode
is about.

809
00:42:53,722 --> 00:42:57,204
They can skip around,
yes, if
they want to, but here's the

810
00:42:57,204 --> 00:42:59,743
thing: many people are
worried
about, oh, if I use chapters,

811
00:42:59,743 --> 00:43:01,864
people are going to
skip my
ads.

812
00:43:01,864 --> 00:43:05,011
If you're worried about that,
they're already
skipping your

813
00:43:05,011 --> 00:43:07,056
ads.
But here's what's cool about

814
00:43:07,056 --> 00:43:10,561
chapters: is
they can actually
make your ads, or any other

815
00:43:10,561 --> 00:43:13,720
calls to action,
more
actionable, and they can make

816
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:17,230
your episodes more engaging

within the podcast app, because

817
00:43:17,275 --> 00:43:21,805
chapters, at their core, can

include three things: a title

818
00:43:21,805 --> 00:43:25,165
that's necessary, and it's a

title at a specific time, so

819
00:43:25,165 --> 00:43:26,915
it's your outline, basically,

like your notes.

820
00:43:26,915 --> 00:43:30,753
If you're giving a public
presentation, a
chapter can

821
00:43:30,753 --> 00:43:34,825
also include, optionally, an
image, so if you
have a

822
00:43:34,825 --> 00:43:38,281
photography podcast, or you're
talking about a movie,
you

823
00:43:38,281 --> 00:43:41,185
could have pictures from
different scenes that you're


824
00:43:41,193 --> 00:43:44,470
talking about display in the
podcast app, while you're


825
00:43:44,478 --> 00:43:48,004
talking about that moment.
The chapters can also have the

826
00:43:48,004 --> 00:43:50,992
third
thing is an optional
link, that's where your calls to

827
00:43:50,992 --> 00:43:53,385

action come in.
So, that could be a link to your

828
00:43:53,385 --> 00:43:56,565
website to
send feedback to
you, it could be a link to your

829
00:43:56,565 --> 00:43:59,390
love page for
Podgagement to
send ratings and reviews, it

830
00:43:59,390 --> 00:44:01,990
could be a link to
your
sponsor during your sponsor

831
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:04,065
segment.
You could have the
title of

832
00:44:04,065 --> 00:44:07,820
the chapter be the call to
action, the image could be a


833
00:44:07,828 --> 00:44:11,565
picture of that product, and
then the URL could be the link


834
00:44:11,573 --> 00:44:13,507
for people to visit that
sponsor.

835
00:44:13,507 --> 00:44:17,395
So it's making things
like
that more interactive, more

836
00:44:17,395 --> 00:44:23,425
engaging, more actionable too.

So pod chapters can transcribe

837
00:44:23,425 --> 00:44:27,415
your podcast, or you can BYOT

bring your own transcript, and

838
00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,880
then you can go in and you can

manually add your chapters if

839
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,870
you want to, with I think the

easiest interface ever to do it,

840
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:38,680
but where it really shines is

using the AI-powered features,

841
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:41,410
where you provide the transcript

or let it transcribe your

842
00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:44,620
podcast for you, and then there
are two ways that you can do

843
00:44:44,620 --> 00:44:46,845
this.
One is you can have it


844
00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:49,825
recommend chapters for you, it
looks through the transcript,


845
00:44:49,833 --> 00:44:53,545
figures out what looks like
might be a good chapter, and it

846
00:44:53,545 --> 00:44:56,185
can suggest those as chapters,
and then once you get those


847
00:44:56,193 --> 00:44:58,743
suggestions, you can edit them,
change them however you want to.

848
00:44:58,743 --> 00:44:59,767


The other thing and.

849
00:44:59,767 --> 00:45:03,747
Is what I very much wanted, is I
know what
I want my chapters

850
00:45:03,747 --> 00:45:06,440
to be.
I have an outline that I talk

851
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,683
from in
my podcast, and that
outline is what I want my

852
00:45:09,683 --> 00:45:11,695
chapters to be.
I
just don't know where I want

853
00:45:11,695 --> 00:45:14,934
those chapters to be.
So I call
it outline to

854
00:45:14,934 --> 00:45:18,700
chapters, where you paste in
your outline and it
finds

855
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:23,120
where to put your outline and
turn it into chapters for
you,

856
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,270
and then when you have those
chapters, so you've, you


857
00:45:26,278 --> 00:45:29,341
upload your mp file to it to
edit, transcribe everything.


858
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:32,896
Then it adds the chapters in
multiple formats, so you


859
00:45:32,904 --> 00:45:36,514
download the mp back from it,
and that's the file that you


860
00:45:36,522 --> 00:45:39,360
upload to your media host, your
podcast hosting provider, and


861
00:45:39,368 --> 00:45:42,493
such, and it provides the
chapters in podcasting 2.0


862
00:45:42,501 --> 00:45:46,273
format, it provides a transcript
if you have it do that for you,

863
00:45:46,273 --> 00:45:49,480
and it provides the chapters in
multiple other formats, even


864
00:45:49,488 --> 00:45:54,225
YouTube timestamp format, so you
can copy and paste that over to

865
00:45:54,225 --> 00:45:58,135
YouTube or other platforms, all
of this to make this style of


866
00:45:58,143 --> 00:46:01,918
consumption so much easier, and
for the audience it helps them


867
00:46:01,926 --> 00:46:05,398
follow along much easier,
especially since many people


868
00:46:05,406 --> 00:46:10,540
listen, and Ralph and DR. I'm
sure this has never ever


869
00:46:10,548 --> 00:46:14,198
happened to you.
So, I'll just say I'll put

870
00:46:14,198 --> 00:46:17,230
myself on the spot.

Sometimes I confess, sometimes

871
00:46:17,230 --> 00:46:20,324
I've gotten distracted while

listening to a podcast.

872
00:46:20,324 --> 00:46:22,595
Never happened to you guys,
right?

873
00:46:22,595 --> 00:46:25,915
And
sometimes I've even
forgotten what they just said.

874
00:46:25,915 --> 00:46:30,046
So, when
you have the chapters
that can provide some extra

875
00:46:30,046 --> 00:46:34,670
content
context for people, so
that they can look down and see,

876
00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:38,309
oh yeah,
we're on point two of
this five point outline.

877
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:40,599
But wait a
minute, what was
point one?

878
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:42,805
So, instead of they're having to

skip back, back, back, back,

879
00:46:42,805 --> 00:46:45,460
back, back, back, back, back to
listen again to what was point

880
00:46:45,460 --> 00:46:48,430
one, they can just look at the

chapters and look up and see, oh

881
00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:51,370
yeah, that was point one, now I
remember it, we're on point two

882
00:46:51,370 --> 00:46:54,130
right now, oh, and here are

points three and four coming,

883
00:46:54,130 --> 00:46:57,220
and really looking forward to

those, so it helps them follow

884
00:46:57,220 --> 00:47:01,000
along with the content better,

get that extra context, and

885
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,200
like, even in dash systems like
CarPlay and Android Auto can

886
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,185
display this chapter information

from the podcast app, so even

887
00:47:08,185 --> 00:47:11,875
while people are driving, they

can glance over and see, oh

888
00:47:11,875 --> 00:47:14,425
yeah, that's the point we're on,

or they could even see the

889
00:47:14,425 --> 00:47:15,805
picture that you're talking

about.

890
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:17,514
Ralph Estep Jr.: No, that's

brilliant.

891
00:47:17,514 --> 00:47:20,162
And my question for you, Daniel,
is, How many apps
you talked

892
00:47:20,162 --> 00:47:22,550
about podcasting 2.0 which
obviously would support


893
00:47:22,558 --> 00:47:25,820
chapters, but what apps right
now are supporting chapters, and

894
00:47:25,820 --> 00:47:27,618

do you see that adoption
growing?

895
00:47:27,618 --> 00:47:30,566
And why do you think
it's so
beneficial for both the host and

896
00:47:30,566 --> 00:47:32,516
for the listener?
Daniel J.

897
00:47:32,516 --> 00:47:34,790
Lewis: Yeah, a lot of
apps
support chapters in various

898
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:37,316
standards, and Pod Chapters

supports all of these.

899
00:47:37,316 --> 00:47:41,688
Like, for many years we've had
MP chapters
embedded in the mp

900
00:47:41,688 --> 00:47:44,485
file, that's why you have to
upload your mp,
and then you

901
00:47:44,485 --> 00:47:46,255
download it back from pod
chapters.

902
00:47:46,255 --> 00:47:49,456
Apple has
supported that for
years, and many other podcast

903
00:47:49,456 --> 00:47:51,220
apps do too.

Apple now supports the

904
00:47:51,310 --> 00:47:54,343
podcasting 2.0 chapters, and

more apps do too.

905
00:47:54,343 --> 00:47:57,640
It's about, I think, about two
dozen, just off
the top of my

906
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,694
head, two dozen apps that
support the podcasting
2.0

907
00:48:00,694 --> 00:48:04,614
chapters, but with pod chapters
you're making the
embedded mp

908
00:48:04,614 --> 00:48:07,317
chapters, you're getting the
podcasting 2.0
chapters

909
00:48:07,317 --> 00:48:10,288
format, you're also even getting
the pod love simple
chapters,

910
00:48:10,288 --> 00:48:12,434
if you need that, which Spotify
supports that.

911
00:48:12,434 --> 00:48:15,925
I
think they might be the only
popular app that supports that,

912
00:48:15,925 --> 00:48:18,322
but you're getting these
chapters in these multiple


913
00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:22,010
formats, so all of the apps that
support them can use them.

914
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:26,078
The
most important being the
mp chapters and the podcasting

915
00:48:26,078 --> 00:48:29,786
2.0
chapters.
The mp chapters are inside the

916
00:48:29,786 --> 00:48:32,054
mp file.
The
podcasting 2.0 chapters

917
00:48:32,054 --> 00:48:35,565
are in an external file, which
we can
even host for you in

918
00:48:35,565 --> 00:48:38,040
pod chapters.
So, what's the benefit
of this

919
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,218
to the audience and to the
podcaster?

920
00:48:40,218 --> 00:48:43,483
Well, the
podcaster, for any
of your calls to action, you're

921
00:48:43,483 --> 00:48:46,780
making it more
actionable,
instead of telling people, and

922
00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:51,205
they're having to
remember a
link, you could add that as a

923
00:48:51,205 --> 00:48:53,758
chapter.
Just keep in
mind, maybe not

924
00:48:53,758 --> 00:48:57,268
everyone is able to look at the
chapters in that
moment, or

925
00:48:57,268 --> 00:49:00,382
their app might not support
chapters, so don't
depend on

926
00:49:00,382 --> 00:49:02,580
it, but certainly you can give
both.

927
00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:05,931
You can say,
"Visit my website
at the Audacity to podcast.com,

928
00:49:05,931 --> 00:49:09,162
or
click the chapter link
that's displaying right now.

929
00:49:09,162 --> 00:49:13,605
So you're
making your calls to
action, whatever those calls to

930
00:49:13,605 --> 00:49:16,809
action
are: sponsors sending
feedback, leaving ratings and

931
00:49:16,809 --> 00:49:19,898
reviews,
visiting the website,
sharing the podcast episode, or

932
00:49:19,898 --> 00:49:23,410
visiting
a sponsor, any of
these kinds of things, affiliate

933
00:49:23,410 --> 00:49:27,254
links, even
those can be in
your chapter, so you're making

934
00:49:27,254 --> 00:49:30,234
it more actionable
for your
audience, you're making the

935
00:49:30,234 --> 00:49:33,680
content more easily
consumable
and memorable for your audience,

936
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,500
because they can
follow along
with your outline, they can jump

937
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:39,604
back if they need
to to review
certain points, they can see

938
00:49:39,604 --> 00:49:42,655
what's coming and
get excited
about it, and so that

939
00:49:42,655 --> 00:49:44,950
transitions then to the

audience, for the audience, they

940
00:49:45,130 --> 00:49:48,310
get to see that content, they

can more easily take action on

941
00:49:48,460 --> 00:49:51,400
the things that you're talking

about, and especially for audio

942
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,240
podcasts that are audio only,

this presents the opportunity to

943
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,840
potentially display certain

things, like you could display a

944
00:49:58,990 --> 00:50:01,224
photo if.
Podcast is a
programming

945
00:50:01,224 --> 00:50:04,450
podcast.
You could make an image of your

946
00:50:04,450 --> 00:50:07,760
code and
display that.
If you podcast about Bible

947
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,840
things and you have
a Bible
verse or any kind of quotation,

948
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,893
you could put that in
an image
and display that in a chapter

949
00:50:14,893 --> 00:50:17,154
too.
So, like, I go to
church, I'm

950
00:50:17,154 --> 00:50:20,144
a Christian, and when I'm
sitting listening to
the Patch

951
00:50:20,144 --> 00:50:22,505
of Pastor preaching, I've got my
Bible open before
me.

952
00:50:22,505 --> 00:50:24,917
There are many times he's
preaching, and I look down, I


953
00:50:24,925 --> 00:50:27,502
want to see the verse again, and
I look up and I'm listening, I


954
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:30,098
want to see the verse again.
I'm listening, I want to see the

955
00:50:30,098 --> 00:50:31,966

verse again.
And so, for your podcast, you

956
00:50:31,966 --> 00:50:33,740
could do that same
kind of
thing, where there's a

957
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,430
quotation, a statistic you're

displaying, a graph, a chart, a

958
00:50:37,580 --> 00:50:41,009
Bible verse, anything like that,

so people can see that while

959
00:50:41,009 --> 00:50:44,517
you are talking about it, it
makes
it so much more

960
00:50:44,517 --> 00:50:47,054
memorable, easier to consume and

understand, and that's what

961
00:50:47,054 --> 00:50:49,435
Pod Chapters is about.
Ralph Estep Jr.: Think that's


962
00:50:49,443 --> 00:50:50,481
great.
And Tim has another question.

963
00:50:50,481 --> 00:50:52,690
I love this question.

Says, How can we encourage our

964
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:56,086
audience to adopt and use

podcasting 2.0 features?

965
00:50:56,086 --> 00:50:59,062
How do we communicate what's in
it for
me, Daniel?

966
00:50:59,062 --> 00:51:01,380
I think that's a great question.
Thank you for
sharing that,

967
00:51:01,380 --> 00:51:02,112
Tim.
Go ahead, Daniel.

968
00:51:02,112 --> 00:51:03,972
What do you think?
Daniel J.

969
00:51:03,972 --> 00:51:05,970
Lewis: Yeah, it's all
the
benefit for the audience, and

970
00:51:05,970 --> 00:51:08,070
that's the thing that we
need
to focus on most.

971
00:51:08,070 --> 00:51:11,940
Is how does this benefit them?
Like,
take chapters, for

972
00:51:11,940 --> 00:51:14,775
example.
Is you could tell your audience

973
00:51:14,775 --> 00:51:18,215
about these things, like if
you're listening in a modern


974
00:51:18,223 --> 00:51:21,462
podcast app that supports
chapters, you'll be able to see

975
00:51:21,462 --> 00:51:25,355
this image I'm talking about,
or you'll be able to click this

976
00:51:25,355 --> 00:51:27,410
link.
Now, still make sure you're

977
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:30,254
giving them a fallback
option,
because you never want to

978
00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:33,440
alienate your audience.
Same
thing goes with if you're

979
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:38,150
publishing both audio and video,

try to make sure that you are

980
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:41,830
describing things in a way that
the listening audience can do,

981
00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:44,890
like earlier, when I was talking

about my business card, I was

982
00:51:44,980 --> 00:51:47,950
actually holding it up so that

people watching the video could

983
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:51,970
see exactly what I was referring

to, but I spoke about it in a

984
00:51:52,030 --> 00:51:54,610
way that the listening audience
would understand what I'm

985
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:57,790
talking about, and in fact, I

did it in a way that the

986
00:51:57,940 --> 00:52:01,710
listening audience wouldn't feel

alienated or called out for

987
00:52:01,830 --> 00:52:05,433
listening instead of watching.
I
didn't say if you look here

988
00:52:05,433 --> 00:52:08,673
at the bottom, or I didn't say
if
you can't see what I'm

989
00:52:08,673 --> 00:52:10,140
talking about, this is what I'm
doing.


990
00:52:10,148 --> 00:52:13,508
No, I just said at the bottom of
the business card on the back I

991
00:52:13,508 --> 00:52:16,290
have a blank space, so for
people looking at the video,


992
00:52:16,298 --> 00:52:18,098
they see exactly what I'm
talking about.

993
00:52:18,098 --> 00:52:21,122
For people
listening, they
hear me describing it in a way

994
00:52:21,122 --> 00:52:24,230
that
honors and respects them,
so bringing it back to the

995
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:27,616
features
is you really have to
sell your audience on the

996
00:52:27,616 --> 00:52:32,069
benefit to them,
and certain
things that just look at the

997
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:35,550
features like you
can go to
Podcasting two.org to learn

998
00:52:35,550 --> 00:52:39,028
about the different
features
of Podcasting 2.0 and pick

999
00:52:39,028 --> 00:52:41,800
something that you think
would
matter to your audience.

1000
00:52:42,130 --> 00:52:44,803
Chapters are a good one.
Maybe
it's transcripts, maybe

1001
00:52:44,803 --> 00:52:47,758
it's something else that
matters, and
you can let your

1002
00:52:47,758 --> 00:52:50,854
audience know.
If you don't see these chapters,

1003
00:52:50,854 --> 00:52:54,094

maybe try a new podcast app.
New podcastapps.com is a site

1004
00:52:54,094 --> 00:52:57,489
out
there that some people
collect for this, so really

1005
00:52:57,489 --> 00:53:02,748
focus on the
benefit to them,
not just, oh, we do this cool

1006
00:53:02,748 --> 00:53:05,138
feature, but how
does this
help them?

1007
00:53:05,138 --> 00:53:09,036
How would they enjoy this?
Ralph Estep Jr.: I think that's

1008
00:53:09,036 --> 00:53:11,454
a great way to say it, Daniel,
because you got to get there,


1009
00:53:11,462 --> 00:53:13,635
you got to sell them on the
benefits to them.

1010
00:53:13,635 --> 00:53:16,692
Now we're
getting ready to
wrap up here, Daniel, but let me

1011
00:53:16,692 --> 00:53:18,390
ask you this
question, what's
next for you?

1012
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,500
Anything you're building or

excited about that, you want to

1013
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:22,869
share.
Oh, and before I forget
to

1014
00:53:22,869 --> 00:53:24,482
mention, what is the cost of pod
chapters?

1015
00:53:24,482 --> 00:53:26,628
And then answer
that next
question I just gave you.

1016
00:53:26,628 --> 00:53:28,400
Sorry about that, I got out
of
order there a little bit.

1017
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,210
Daniel J.
Lewis: Yeah, so pod
chapters,

1018
00:53:30,210 --> 00:53:34,155
I'll tell you the cost for that
is it depends on which
amount

1019
00:53:34,155 --> 00:53:36,830
of usage that you want for pod
chapters.

1020
00:53:36,830 --> 00:53:40,805
There is what
I call the basic
plan that allows you to add your

1021
00:53:40,805 --> 00:53:43,706
chapters
manually if you
totally want to do things

1022
00:53:43,706 --> 00:53:46,475
manually, add your ID
three
tags manually, and all of that.

1023
00:53:46,475 --> 00:53:51,284
It is 349 a month if you
pay
yearly, or if you pay monthly,

1024
00:53:51,284 --> 00:53:53,869
it's 499 a month.
What
I really recommend,

1025
00:53:53,869 --> 00:53:56,627
though, is the Smart Plan, and
the Smart
Plan comes at

1026
00:53:56,627 --> 00:54:00,254
different levels, depending on
how much AI usage
you need in

1027
00:54:00,254 --> 00:54:05,211
it, and the smart plan starts at
999 $9.99 per
month.

1028
00:54:05,211 --> 00:54:10,403
If you pay monthly, or if you
pay yearly, that brings it


1029
00:54:10,411 --> 00:54:14,535
down to $6.99 per month, and
that includes the AI features


1030
00:54:14,543 --> 00:54:17,945
and enough AI credits to
transcribe and chapter up to


1031
00:54:17,953 --> 00:54:21,590
five hours of audio, but if you
BYOT bring your own transcript,

1032
00:54:21,590 --> 00:54:25,430
then you can get a lot more
hours of usage from that,


1033
00:54:25,438 --> 00:54:28,865
because most of the AI credits
are spent on generating the


1034
00:54:28,873 --> 00:54:32,228
transcript, and then there's a
higher plan to a Smart Pro,


1035
00:54:32,236 --> 00:54:35,408
where if you're doing lots of
podcasts for others, especially,

1036
00:54:35,408 --> 00:54:39,035

and there are some agency
features built into pod chapters

1037
00:54:39,035 --> 00:54:43,481

as well that allow you to make
it easier to edit for different

1038
00:54:43,481 --> 00:54:46,781
podcasts and save presets and
such, but then you might want to

1039
00:54:46,781 --> 00:54:49,937

consider the Smart Pro plan
that has a lot higher AI usage

1040
00:54:49,937 --> 00:54:52,220
with
that.
What was the other.. oh, what's

1041
00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:54,140
what's coming next?
Ralph Estep Jr.: Before you


1042
00:54:54,148 --> 00:54:56,093
answer that, Junaid would like
to answer a question, and then


1043
00:54:56,101 --> 00:54:58,073
we'll come right back to that.
So, Junaid, go ahead and answer

1044
00:54:58,073 --> 00:55:00,035
your question, then we'll come
back to that next steps.

1045
00:55:00,035 --> 00:55:02,135
Are
you, Daniel Junaid:
Martin, gentlemen?

1046
00:55:02,135 --> 00:55:03,930
This
has been an awesome
conversation.

1047
00:55:03,930 --> 00:55:07,777
Daniel really
loved all the
stuff that you worked on.

1048
00:55:07,777 --> 00:55:11,670
I probably met you a
couple
times over the years, but I

1049
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:13,370
didn't really make the

connection.

1050
00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:16,217
Really loved the applications
that you built over
the years.

1051
00:55:16,217 --> 00:55:17,628
Pod chapter sounds really
awesome.

1052
00:55:17,628 --> 00:55:21,620
You mentioned
that you've been
part of podcasting 2.0 and I was

1053
00:55:21,620 --> 00:55:25,056

wondering, how, how can
somebody join that program or

1054
00:55:25,056 --> 00:55:28,325
that group?

Because I've been working on a

1055
00:55:28,325 --> 00:55:32,615
software as well for podcasters,

and I would love to, you know,

1056
00:55:32,615 --> 00:55:35,065
contribute to podcasting to

learn as well.

1057
00:55:35,065 --> 00:55:36,125
Thank you.
Ralph Estep Jr.: Thank you.

1058
00:55:36,185 --> 00:55:37,397
Daniel J.
Lewis: Awesome.

1059
00:55:37,397 --> 00:55:41,813
Yeah,
thank you, Junaid.
The easiest way is if you go to

1060
00:55:41,813 --> 00:55:45,988
Podcast
Index dot social, and
Podcast Index is the thing that

1061
00:55:45,988 --> 00:55:49,820
kind of
started podcasting 2.0
as a separate standalone podcast

1062
00:55:49,820 --> 00:55:53,394

catalog.
So, Podcast Index dot social is

1063
00:55:53,394 --> 00:55:57,635
the website, and it's
a
Mastodon social network, so it's

1064
00:55:57,635 --> 00:56:01,730
kind of like X or Twitter,
and
you can join there and just

1065
00:56:01,730 --> 00:56:05,150
start joining the conversation,
that's the ideal entry point.

1066
00:56:05,150 --> 00:56:07,868
It's the easiest place to enter.



1067
00:56:07,876 --> 00:56:11,882
There is a GitHub repository
where most of the in-depth


1068
00:56:11,890 --> 00:56:14,585
conversation happens about
proposals and technologies, and

1069
00:56:14,585 --> 00:56:18,333
how the tags will actually
work, but simply mentioning

1070
00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:22,298
GitHub is
scary to some
people, so you don't have to

1071
00:56:22,298 --> 00:56:25,102
join that, but you
can join
the Podcast Index dot social

1072
00:56:25,102 --> 00:56:29,075
site and join the

conversations there, and that's

1073
00:56:29,075 --> 00:56:31,595
the great place where the

developers and many of the

1074
00:56:31,595 --> 00:56:35,000
podcasters supporting this and

participating in it will

1075
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,540
participate there in the

conversation, watching for when

1076
00:56:38,540 --> 00:56:42,650
you post things there, so you

can ask your questions, you can

1077
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:45,434
post ideas there.
Some people
might see an idea

1078
00:56:45,434 --> 00:56:49,580
and be able to run with it, and
say, "Yeah, I'd
love to help

1079
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:53,026
implement that idea or flesh
that idea out to make
it into

1080
00:56:53,026 --> 00:56:54,668
something that we could maybe
support.

1081
00:56:54,668 --> 00:56:58,349
That's the ideal
place to go,
and to learn more, just about

1082
00:56:58,349 --> 00:57:02,703
podcasting 2.0 in
general.
Podcasting two.org gives you the

1083
00:57:02,703 --> 00:57:05,825
information, and
also that
links out to the podcast index

1084
00:57:05,825 --> 00:57:07,410
social site.
Ralph Estep Jr.: Thank you,


1085
00:57:07,418 --> 00:57:09,020
Daniel.
Junaid: Thank you so much.

1086
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:12,131
I've
actually been browsing
around the GitHub because I'm a

1087
00:57:12,131 --> 00:57:14,045
developer, so thank you so
much.

1088
00:57:14,045 --> 00:57:16,565
I will check out Podcasting

Social, and hopefully see you

1089
00:57:16,565 --> 00:57:18,240
there.
Ralph Estep Jr.: All right,


1090
00:57:18,248 --> 00:57:19,706
Daniel, so we're coming to the
close here.

1091
00:57:19,706 --> 00:57:22,206
So, what's next for
you?
Anything new you're building or

1092
00:57:22,206 --> 00:57:23,884
excited about?
Daniel J.

1093
00:57:23,884 --> 00:57:25,430
Lewis: Yeah, for pod

gaugement, the next big feature

1094
00:57:25,610 --> 00:57:28,340
I want to continue building out
the SEO feature, adding the

1095
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:30,830
other platforms.
I think, like,
it was, I

1096
00:57:30,830 --> 00:57:34,380
believe Tim or someone else had
asked about that, so
the like

1097
00:57:34,380 --> 00:57:37,238
Spotify will be the next
platform to support, but
the

1098
00:57:37,238 --> 00:57:40,920
other big thing I want to bring
about is the option for


1099
00:57:40,928 --> 00:57:44,038
podcasters to have a nice
landing page where they can


1100
00:57:44,046 --> 00:57:46,755
collect money from their
audience, and Ralph, I know


1101
00:57:46,763 --> 00:57:50,200
you're a CPA, so I've learned
from you: avoid the word


1102
00:57:50,208 --> 00:57:53,815
donation, whether you want to
call it a tip, receiving value,

1103
00:57:53,815 --> 00:57:56,290
giving back to the podcast,
whatever you want to call that.

1104
00:57:56,350 --> 00:57:57,286
Ralph Estep Jr.: Thank you,

Daniel.

1105
00:57:57,286 --> 00:57:59,740
Don't use the word donation, I
appreciate that very
much.

1106
00:58:00,610 --> 00:58:02,269
Daniel J.
Lewis: So, whatever
you want

1107
00:58:02,269 --> 00:58:05,654
to call it, I like the term, by
the way, give back,
because

1108
00:58:05,654 --> 00:58:08,920
that kind of implies some sense
of reciprocity that
here I've

1109
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,981
given some value to you, would
you consider giving
back some

1110
00:58:12,981 --> 00:58:17,394
value to the podcast?
This new feature will provide a

1111
00:58:17,394 --> 00:58:21,825
page to allow you to do that in
a way that will support


1112
00:58:21,833 --> 00:58:24,665
different things, like people
could pay through credit card,


1113
00:58:24,673 --> 00:58:28,058
or it can link out to other
things, like if you have a


1114
00:58:28,066 --> 00:58:30,200
Patreon, or buy me a coffee, or
something like that.

1115
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,248
This can be
a central page to
link to those, as well as

1116
00:58:33,248 --> 00:58:35,819
receive things
directly and
include a message from them.

1117
00:58:35,819 --> 00:58:38,803
I just want to make
that
easier for podcasters, because

1118
00:58:38,803 --> 00:58:42,283
even, like, right now,
for
myself, I'm just using PayPal,

1119
00:58:42,283 --> 00:58:46,030
just because it was
easiest to
create a redirect link to a

1120
00:58:46,030 --> 00:58:49,185
PayPal page, where if
people
want to support me financially,

1121
00:58:49,185 --> 00:58:52,300
they can do it that
way, but I
really want to create this new

1122
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:55,150
page, and that's the
next big
thing coming for me that I'm

1123
00:58:55,150 --> 00:58:56,965
working on.
Ralph Estep Jr.: Well, Daniel, I

1124
00:58:56,965 --> 00:58:58,957

just want to say, thank you so
much for joining us today.

1125
00:58:58,957 --> 00:59:01,511
You
want to go ahead and tell
people how they can get in touch

1126
00:59:01,511 --> 00:59:02,639
with
you.
The best ways to do that,

1127
00:59:02,699 --> 00:59:04,184
Daniel.
Daniel J.

1128
00:59:04,184 --> 00:59:06,644
Lewis: Yeah, I'm on
pretty
much every social network as the

1129
00:59:06,644 --> 00:59:09,100
Daniel J.
Lewis, and you
can listen to

1130
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:12,966
my podcast, The Audacity to
Podcast, at The
Audacity to

1131
00:59:12,966 --> 00:59:15,972
podcast.com and that also links
out to my other
products and

1132
00:59:15,972 --> 00:59:18,792
services that I know Ralph said
that the links
will be

1133
00:59:18,792 --> 00:59:22,217
associated with this episode, so
I'd love to have you
on board,

1134
00:59:22,217 --> 00:59:24,868
trying out my products.
Podgage, men, pod
chapters

1135
00:59:24,868 --> 00:59:28,865
both have free trials to them,
so you can try it
completely

1136
00:59:28,865 --> 00:59:30,470
free.
Tripod chapters on your next

1137
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:33,668
episode, try pod
gaugement for
a couple of weeks, see how it

1138
00:59:33,668 --> 00:59:36,222
tracks your ratings,
reviews,
rankings, SEO, all that stuff.

1139
00:59:36,222 --> 00:59:39,620
I'd love to have you as a

customer, or even just have you

1140
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,800
as a listener, learning how to

make your podcast better.

1141
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:43,582
Ralph Estep Jr.: Thank you,

Daniel.

1142
00:59:43,582 --> 00:59:44,890
Thank you, everybody, for
joining us today.

1143
00:59:44,890 --> 00:59:46,060
Make sure
you join us
tomorrow.

1144
00:59:46,060 --> 00:59:50,234
We get into our news discussion,
so
until that, everybody, make

1145
00:59:50,234 --> 00:59:52,702
it a great day today.
Thank you so
much for being

1146
00:59:52,702 --> 00:59:53,410
here this morning.