518. Is Podcasting Culture Getting Better or Worse?

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Marc Ronick: Good morning,

podcasters.

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Today is Friday, May the 15th,
2026 And today,
podcasting

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culture gets a reality check,
from generous
collaboration to

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spammy pitches and recycled
advice.

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We're
asking, what's
improving, what's slipping, and

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why it matters.

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And now, give us about 30
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things

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Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again.

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Podcasting morning show.
Thank
you for being here.

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I am your host, Mark Ronick, and
currently
on stage with me, my

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co-host Ralph Estep, Alex
Bailish, Dr.
BC Babbels, and

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also Junaid Ahmed, longtime
community member
and friend,

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is on stage.
Although it looks like he's on


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the phone, he has the little
phone icon, at least on my


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Clubhouse screen, we shall see
if we can get a hold of him at


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some point in this conversation,
and I'll explain a little more


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about the intro and why we're
digging into this.

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First, it's
time to share our
first spotlight episode, or I

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should
say, clip of our
Spotlight series.

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So, this Spotlight
series,
this is something where, if

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you'd like your podcast to be

featured on the Podcasting

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Morning Show for free, no

strings attached, submit a 62nd

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clip about your show, something
that gives people a real feel

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for your podcast.
And then, if
we select it,

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we'll play your clip on a future
episode, we'll
share what

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stood out to us, and obviously
introduce your show to
our

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community of podcasters and
creators, so you can submit your

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clip at Podcasting Morning
show.com/spotlight And once


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again, why don't we do this,
Ralph?

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While I'm scrambling, why

don't you share a little bit

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about who the Spotlight is on

today.

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Ralph Estep Jr: Absolutely, good

morning everybody.

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And today's spotlight is a show
called Your
Tech Makeover.

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It's Frank Bravo's show for the
people in
your life who are

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always asking for tech help.
And on his show,
he delivers

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practical tips and tricks that
turn everyday tech


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frustrations into plain English
fixes anyone can use.

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If you
ever wish there was a
show you could just hand to

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someone and
say start here,
this is Marc Ronick: it, cool.

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And you
may have said it and I
missed it.

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What's the host's name?
Do
we Ralph Estep Jr: know

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name is
Frank Bravo?
Marc Ronick: Okay, Frank, thank

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you for submitting.
Thanks for being our first

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submission.

Let's hear it.

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And again, the name of the show
Ralph Estep Jr: now.

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See, you
got me on the spot.
Marc Ronick: Sorry about that.

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I
should have known Ralph
Estep Jr: it is called
Your

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Tech Makeover.
Marc Ronick: Here we go.

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Frank Bravo: Do you know the

feeling when your phone is

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running slow, or your battery's
dying by noon, or you're

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getting charged for apps that
you
totally forgot about?

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That's exactly what I created
Your Tech
Makeover for.

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I'm Frank Bravo, and in every
episode I take one
real tech

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headache, you know, the kind
that you're too
embarrassed to

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Google, and break it down in
plain English, no
jargon, no

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judgment, just practical tips
that you can use
every day.

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I've covered canceling sneaky
subscriptions,
staying safe on

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public Wi-Fi, protecting
yourself from scams,
and a

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whole lot more.
I try to keep the episodes super

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short, I
keep them under 10 to
12 minutes, they're to the

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point,
and I made them for
people who just want their tech

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to work.

New episodes drop every other

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Tuesday.
You can find it by
searching

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Your Tech Makeover or visit Your
Tech makeover.com Marc Ronick:

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Okay, so Frank, I
would say
he's been doing this at least

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for a little while, or
he's
figured out how to do it.

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In other words, he sounded

really clean, really

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professional, very clear, and to

the point.

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I totally connect with what this
show is about.


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Your tech makeover, the title
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right?
Like, I know what I'm gonna get

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into when I listen to
the
show, at least I'm assuming

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that, because I'm only basing it

off of a 62nd clip, but and I

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also appreciate that we heard

from the host that it was his

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voice and he was sharing and

explaining what his show is all

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about.
It's definitely something
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I would listen to.
So I'm excited that this was our

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first
one that we played
today, and if anyone else has

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feedback, I
think, oh, bc I
think you had some feedback or.

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Thoughts BC Babbles: I did, for
a first
item, I'm trying to

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recalibrate.
I loved his energy, for sure.

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I
was a little curious as to
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kind of pacing and energy during
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I get, we just
got like a
promo from him about the show,

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what it's about, what
its
purpose is, and I loved it.

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But to get a little bit of an

actual clip from an episode

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where he's in the middle of

doing the shebang, would have

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been a, would have been great,

just to see if there's any

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change in that energy.
Marc Ronick: That's a fair


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point.
And I've been asking that people

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don't just send a clip,

because I feel like some clips

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may not give us enough context

about the show, so it's not his

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fault, that's my fault.
You can
take that up with me,

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BC, but yeah, I think that's..
BC Babbles: I got your number,


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we'll do it left, yeah, Marc
Ronick: exactly, yeah, but


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yeah, so no, no shade there,
because again, that was my


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personal request, and I liked
that, I again, this is for our


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community and community members,
our listeners live, and podcast

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listeners, and the whole idea
is we want to get to know our


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community and what they're
doing, what they're up to, so


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that's why I've been asking to
avoid the clips and just give us

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you and tell us about you and
your show.

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So I think that this
was a
phenomenal example.

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We have more to come, and if you

are somebody who has

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submitted, don't panic that we
haven't
played yours yet.

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We will get to these and keep
playing them, and
we need

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more.
So, go to Podcasting Morning


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show.com/spotlight and submit
yours today.

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All right, let's
dig in.
Today's topic was inspired by

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Alex Sanfilippo from
Pod
Match.

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You asked a great question on
social media
yesterday, and

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yeah, he posted it everywhere.
I saw it on
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platforms.
The basic idea, the question is,

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the
culture of podcasting
industry changing in a positive

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or a
negative way?
And what's also interesting is

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that he's not the
first.
Like, I saw something on Threads

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yesterday, or this
morning,
somebody posted a very similar

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thing.
They just
actually said the

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podcasting industry is changing,
and they
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And then a lot of people were
going back and
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but it's a big question.
So I want us to
dissect this

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together.
Are podcasters more

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collaborative
than they used
to be, are we more generous,

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more competitive,
more sales
driven, more authentic, less

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authentic, or
are we just
seeing the industry mature?

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So I want to dig into
this,
and I don't want to just go to

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that one question, I want
to
really dissect this, like I said

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a moment ago.
So, when you
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podcasting right now, what's one
thing about the
culture that

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feels better than it used to,
and maybe one thing
that feels

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worse than it used to?
If you have answers to both,


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awesome, and if you have answers
to one or the other, I'm cool


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with that too.
So, let's start with Ralph, and

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then I see Alex
and BC want to
chime in.

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So, yeah, Ralph, looking at

podcasting right now, what's one

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thing about the culture that

feels better than it used to,

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and one thing that feels worse?
Ralph Estep Jr: I think I'm


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going to jump on the worst
bandwagon, and I don't want to


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start off with a negative, but I
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between the successful and the
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there is less middle ground now.
There are the network shows, the

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heavy hitter shows, the people
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then there are the people who
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And the sad part of
that is,
for independent podcasters, this

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is not an easy
situation to be
in, because as video expands, as

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the need to
advertise, as the
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type things
expand, it really
does make it more difficult for

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the
do-it-yourself indie
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because you're
really
throwing, I think, spaghetti

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against a wall and
seeing what
sticks, and that's not easy, and

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I think as the
technology
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technology increases, this

becomes more of a challenge.

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I don't know that I have an
answer
for that, other than to

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be supportive of each other.
I
think that's one thing this

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show does a great job of.
The whole
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spotlights was exactly that, is
to try to give
people exposure

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to your show, because you might
not have a
budget at all.

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You might not have a marketing
budget or a
budget to plan

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success.
So, I don't want to be that

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naysayer,
but I just feel like
there is definitely a larger gap

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between
the top and the
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I think it was James Cridlin on
his show
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talking about some statistic,
and the
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who were watching the bandwidth
of
watching was to 1% of the

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top podcasters, and the rest of
us
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amount, and I just feel like
that's
where we are.

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I don't know how we change that
dynamic.

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Marc Ronick: Fair enough.
Thank
you, Ralph.

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And again, the question I'm
asking is, when you
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podcasting right now, what's one
thing about the
culture that

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feels better?
And one thing that feels worse

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than
it used to.
Thank you, Ralph.

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I appreciate that.
I'll share
mine.

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I think one thing that feels
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podcasting feels more accessible
and more collaborative than it


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used to.
There are more communities, more

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conversations,
there's more
sharing.

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I think that it's definitely
feeling
more supportive as a

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community than it used to, and
that's not
to say that it

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never felt that way, but I can
tell you again, I
know I say

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this a lot, but I've been
podcasting for over 20
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and I can tell you that those
first five, maybe 10
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but definitely the first five
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which happens to be around the
first five years of podcasting,

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it felt a lot more competitive.
It felt more, honestly, like the

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way that radio is competitive,
as far as radio stations, radio

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shows, etc.
Everybody felt like they were

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battling against each
other,
trying to figure this whole

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thing out, and somewhere
that
started to shift, and maybe I

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started to notice that shift

when sometime after when Serial,

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the podcast, started getting its

legs, and people started

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talking about it, because I
think that
it introduced that

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was like kind of the first wave
to the
mainstream audience out

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there of podcasting, and so I
think more
people got

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intrigued, interested in doing
it, and then I think
people

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started to become more
supportive.

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I don't know, that's
just off
the top of my head what I

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noticed over time, but it's

definitely become way more

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communal and less competitive,

for sure, all right.

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I'll go to John in the chat,
says I'm also
going to the

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negative.
Podcasting has become easier in

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the past, but because it's
easier, I feel the audio and


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video quality has gone down
significantly.

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Coming from a guy
who's an
editor of podcasting, I can

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appreciate that, and yeah, I

think we'll dig into some more

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of that too.
BC, coming to you, BC Babbles:

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I'm gonna start off
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worse about the culture
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that, not because of the

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culture, but I think

technological advances are

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forcing podcasters to have to

try to accept an unnecessarily

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expanded definition of what

podcasting is.

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about how there are
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product descriptors on Amazon,
and like all these other


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things that have no involvement
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they're being called podcasts,
and I think, and I noticed when

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you asked the question, my
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to isolate.
Okay, what's natural podcaster

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humans, us humans, us

storytellers, we're the

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podcasters.
How do we feel
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because of these weird advances
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is that to your point, kind
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preserve, I think, what the core
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essence alive within the
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weird caveat, or a weird
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seeing so far.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, fair enough.

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Thank you.

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BC, does anyone else want to
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Share a
positive and negative
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of podcasting.
Yes, Janae, go ahead.

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Junaid: Good morning, everyone.


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I love this topic, because, and
that this is something I told


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Alex Sanfilippo, you know, the
culture of the podcast, or


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culture of literally anything,
is going to reflect on who you


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surround yourself with.
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yourself
with, or who you not
just surround yourself, but who

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you're hanging out with, and
sure we can call the entire


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340,000 podcasts as a culture,
but I don't think that's the


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right way to look at it.
I think the podcasting is going

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in a
very positive direction,
because number one, it gives us

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the
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now we are
in a time space
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media is owned by a

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lot of the independent

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corporate buyouts, but I think

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are right now, we have the most
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content that serves our
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serves to create that platform
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So
that's what I think.
Marc Ronick: Yeah.

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Thank you,
Junaid.
I'm going to keep things moving.

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You make you all may
notice
I'm not making lots of comments

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after everybody.
Shares
this morning, because

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we do have also have a segment,
wins from
the week, coming up

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here toward the end of the show,
so stay
tuned for that.

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Sid, I saw you wanted to chime
in live from
London.

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Sid, good morning to you.
How was your trip?

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Sid Meadows: Good morning,

everyone, and unfortunately, I

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am not live from London.
I am
live from Dallas Fort

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Worth Airport.
Marc Ronick: What?

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Sid Meadows: Yeah, my flight did

not, after mechanical issues,

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flight crews timing out.
The
flight did not leave at

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450 as it was supposed to, and
it
1o'clock this morning.

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They told us they updated the
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Marc Ronick: So, wait, airport

until one in the morning.

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Sid Meadows: Yeah, yes, I was.

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bunch of other people, took a

shuttle to the hotel that one of

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the hotels was in the airport,

and so yeah, I'm going this

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afternoon.
Wow, watch my..

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I
post, I did post an
Instagram reel about it, and

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perspectives
about it.
So yeah, I'm hanging out at the

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airport.
No reason to
go home taking me

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an hour to get home.
I didn't get home because
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son would have been asleep, the
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right?
And it would have just disrupted

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him.
So, like, I
stopped here.

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I was so tired, too, Marc
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One of my
recent trips, I was
in that same boat, where they

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just kept
delaying it,
delaying it, delaying it for

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hours, and then
they're like,
okay, we'll do it tomorrow,

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yeah, really annoying,
but
okay.

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So, Sid, the question we started
with this morning is,
when you

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look at podcasting right now,
what's one thing
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culture that feels better and
one thing that feels
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What did you want to say?
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good, the worst part, I think
what's making the culture of


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business, and you need to run it
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people aren't familiar with how
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you're owning your own
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We've talked to this for you,

you're owning your own media

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company, right?
But I think
that's challenging

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the culture of podcasting when
people don't
understand, you

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know, what they need to do in
order to make it
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because they're running their
own business.

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I
think what's really good
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and
I'll tag on to what Janae
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whatever
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There are really no rules around

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it, and you can
share the
content you want to share, you

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can share your voice,
you can
share your opinions on things,

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good or bad, and so I
think
that's really exciting that you

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have a platform,
especially if
you have a mission or you are on

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a, you have a
message you want
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I think that's a really good

thing, because there's not

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really been places before for

you to do that in the way you

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can with podcasting, and yeah,

you could write blogs and things

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like that, and articles, but

podcasting gives you a medium

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that can really amplify your

voice, and I think that's a

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really good part of the culture
of Marc Ronick: it.

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Yeah, and I
think that part,
and I think we'll get into this

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in a little
bit of a different
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it becoming
more like a
business, and that's a

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challenging thing for some

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I also think, though, that some
of those
podcasters, they get

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sucked into that mentality when
they don't
have to.

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Right, there are some podcasters
that are doing this
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hobby, they're doing it for fun,
or they're not necessarily
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just in it for other
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so much advice out there
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making it a business, making it
a business that
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those hobbyists forget that
they're doing it as a
hobby,

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right?
It's just again, it's being in

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touch with your
goals, in
touch with your vision for your

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podcast, and yeah, if
you're
in it to help a business or in

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it to make your podcast a

revenue stream, then yeah, you

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gotta treat it like a business,
there's just no way around

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that.
Yeah, thank you, Sid, appreciate

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that.
Okay, so my next question on

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this topic, and maybe it

should have been the first one,

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but that's okay.
What do we mean
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culture, right?
How are we defining that, and


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I'll share that what I mean by
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podcasters treat each other,
and maybe also how we talk to

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each
other, how we learn from
each other, and how we show up

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in
spaces where we gather
together.

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It's what happens at a

conference, or using us as an

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example, in a Facebook group or
LinkedIn or here on Clubhouse,

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right, and it's even in the DMs,

and certainly collaborations,

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but it's the difference between
people feeling like they have

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to compete with everybody or

feeling like they're part of

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something where people actually
want to help each other get

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better, and I think culture

shows up in the little things

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also, like whether we celebrate
someone's wins another, or

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maybe we answer a beginner's
question
without making them

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feel stupid, right?
And I think we do a
really

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good job of respecting people,
and where they're at, at
least

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this community, and I've seen.
It in the podcasting
community

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as a whole, for the most part,
or we recommend
someone else

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when we might not be the right
fit, right?

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That to
me is how I look at
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space.
BC,
you want to add to that?

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BC Babbles: Yeah, I like that.

And to be complimentary, I kind

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of see it in this context also

as kind of a hive mind external

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perspective.
How do we as a
collective kind

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of look outward and kind of
define the
parameters of this

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space that we are all seeking to
exist in,
thrive in, build and

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innovate from within, and
especially as
we are seeing so

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many alternate definitions kind
of be placed on
us by again

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those technological advances, so
it's kind of like
how we are

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trying to maintain our
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which might sound like a, like a
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that's what I think about when I
think about podcast culture,

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Marc Ronick: yeah, I'm with you
there.

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Anyone else want to add
something to it?

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If not, I can
move to the next
question.

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Just want to make sure.
Yeah, Ralph,
go ahead.

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Ralph Estep Jr: Yeah, I want to
jump in here because I actually

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think that the community is

maybe what's holding the

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community back, and I think we

need to expand the community,

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and you and I, BC, here's where
I'm going to disagree with you

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a little bit.
I think the
expansion of the

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content creator is where we need
to go.

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I think
by calling it a
podcast, and this is something

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that Mark and
I probably
disagree on Marc Ronick:

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somewhat, Ralph Estep Jr: but
that said, I
think that if we

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want this community to expand,
if we want
this community to

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be better, to grow, we've got to
take in other
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creators, the YouTubers, the
TikTokers, the blogs, all


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those things.
I think we have to, because I

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think when we try
to create
this walled garden of, well, if

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you're not a, you don't
have
an RSS, you're not a podcaster,

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I think that's a huge
mistake.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, Ralph Estep

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Jr: and I think
that's, I
think that is what is destroying

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some of the
podcasting
community right now, because

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there are so many people
that,
and you're what you say is

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correct, bc the idea of what a

podcast is changing, but I think

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the old curmudgeons who continue

to say, well, if you don't

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have this and you don't have
that,
you're not a podcast,

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you're just pushing people away.
Yeah,
there are a ton of

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influencers out there that are
pushing
record button on their

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TikTok and pushing record button
on
YouTube.

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We should welcome those people
into the community and
stop

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calling it this walled garden,
this silo of podcasting,


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because it is going to destroy
the community.

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That's my
personal belief.
I know that's very strong, but I

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truly believe
that.
I think the more we can expand

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this and bring, because
the
truth is, we're all trying to

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convey a message, we're all

trying to create content that we

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want people to hear, and that's
the thing I think we need to

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do.
We need to embrace people and


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stop getting so hung up on the
word podcast.

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BC Babbles: I like that, Marc
Ronick: you know, Ralph.

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I,
we don't disagree.
I agree with you on that as a

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whole, and I
think we're just
behind the scenes.

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I think where Ralph is
going
with the disagreement is we've

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talked about the idea that
is
calling this show podcasting

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morning show, and yes, I know

we've already just changed the

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name, but is calling it

podcasting morning show

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appropriate?
Do we want to?

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Does
it feel too pigeonholed?
Do other content creators look

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at
the title and think, "Oh,
this is not for me, because it

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says
"podcast.
When we..

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I think Ralph and I both agree
this show
does serve more than

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just the podcaster, it does
serve content
creators.

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So, the question that Ralph
raises is, are we doing


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00:23:39,142 --> 00:23:42,594
ourselves a disservice here by
calling by pigeonholing


429
00:23:42,602 --> 00:23:46,486
ourselves into podcasting when
we know we do and talk about


430
00:23:46,494 --> 00:23:48,718
more than that.
Ralph Estep Jr: I'm getting a


431
00:23:48,726 --> 00:23:49,876
lot of love in the chat, my
friend.

432
00:23:49,876 --> 00:23:51,815
I'm loving this.
Yeah,
lots of love in the

433
00:23:51,815 --> 00:23:53,490
chat.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, see, don't


434
00:23:53,498 --> 00:23:55,240
jump to conclusions, Junaid:
jump to conclusion.


435
00:23:55,248 --> 00:23:57,220
Yeah, Marc Ronick: go ahead.
I Junaid: still have something

436
00:23:57,220 --> 00:23:58,750
to
say.
Marc Ronick: Go ahead.

437
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,113
Junaid: So, yes, we can include
those people on other

438
00:24:03,113 --> 00:24:07,000
platforms, but here's something
that we're
looking over

439
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,192
completely.
What makes podcasting different

440
00:24:10,192 --> 00:24:16,074
from
YouTube, TikTok,
Instagram, Facebook is that you

441
00:24:16,074 --> 00:24:22,357
have
complete control over
what you put out on your RSS

442
00:24:22,357 --> 00:24:27,359
feed, nobody
can censor you,
because nobody can censor you

443
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,716
listening to your
RSS feed,
right?

444
00:24:29,716 --> 00:24:32,375
Unless there's some rules that
say, okay, you
know, if

445
00:24:32,375 --> 00:24:35,160
somebody comments this one,
we're going to take it out.


446
00:24:35,168 --> 00:24:38,770
You can self-censor your stuff,
but if you put content on


447
00:24:38,778 --> 00:24:42,946
Facebook, on Twitter, on TikTok,
the algorithms can easily censor

448
00:24:42,946 --> 00:24:46,960

you, they can shadow ban you,
they can shut you down, but


449
00:24:46,968 --> 00:24:50,970
that's not the case with RSS
feed, and that's why it's such a

450
00:24:50,970 --> 00:24:54,175

big importance, why it is
different, and why it is


451
00:24:54,183 --> 00:24:56,157
separate.
Marc Ronick: Okay, fair.

452
00:24:56,157 --> 00:24:59,528
And I
think there are a lot of
people that want to respond, I

453
00:24:59,528 --> 00:25:02,367
see all
of you.
Want to respond, and in case

454
00:25:02,367 --> 00:25:05,309
I'll real quick, I know
that
this is just specific to

455
00:25:05,339 --> 00:25:08,489
Clubhouse, but those of you on

stage, the way that we get our

456
00:25:08,909 --> 00:25:13,079
attention here is you double tap

my face and choose the hot

457
00:25:13,169 --> 00:25:16,073
pepper emoji, and that means you

want to speak.

458
00:25:16,073 --> 00:25:19,154
Yeah, yeah, you got it, JR, but
I think John was
first.

459
00:25:19,154 --> 00:25:22,621
John joined us on stage first,
so let me go to John, and
then

460
00:25:22,621 --> 00:25:24,259
we'll go to you, Jr.
Go ahead.

461
00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:27,290
John Jamingo: I have to disagree

with Ralph, and I'll tell you

462
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,178
why.
I'm watching people on
YouTube

463
00:25:31,178 --> 00:25:34,865
now go in and complain and
destroy somebody's channel,


464
00:25:34,873 --> 00:25:37,935
where their channel just gets
taken away, and then they're


465
00:25:37,943 --> 00:25:40,550
done.
And with an RSS feed, they can't

466
00:25:40,550 --> 00:25:42,703
do that to you.
Tick tock,
how many accounts

467
00:25:42,703 --> 00:25:44,500
get wiped away for no reason
whatsoever?


468
00:25:44,508 --> 00:25:47,326
They're just one day you go to
sign in and say, "Sorry, your


469
00:25:47,334 --> 00:25:50,062
account is gone.
If you want to say, "Let's reach

470
00:25:50,062 --> 00:25:54,188
out to
YouTubers and TikTokers
and Instagrammers and say, 'Hey,

471
00:25:54,188 --> 00:25:57,364
you
should come here where you
can protect your intellectual


472
00:25:57,372 --> 00:26:00,094
property.
Yeah, I'm all for that, but to

473
00:26:00,094 --> 00:26:02,709
just to bring them
in and say,
oh, everything's a podcast, new,

474
00:26:02,709 --> 00:26:06,660
it's RSS all the
way, in my
humble opinion.

475
00:26:07,469 --> 00:26:09,419
Marc Ronick: Yeah, and I agree

with what you guys are saying,

476
00:26:09,509 --> 00:26:12,719
that we have more, you guys are
saying we have complete control

477
00:26:12,809 --> 00:26:16,439
over our RSS feeds, and I'm

going to push back slightly and

478
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:19,859
say that's not entirely true,

because those, yes, the RSS

479
00:26:20,129 --> 00:26:24,589
itself, that will mostly always
exist, right, but any one of

480
00:26:24,619 --> 00:26:27,709
these podcast platforms could

pull your show off immediately.

481
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:31,219
Apple and Spotify being the ones

that I'm focusing on, right,

482
00:26:31,249 --> 00:26:33,724
because those are the ones that
most people are using to

483
00:26:33,724 --> 00:26:36,265
listen, and they could easily
take that
down.

484
00:26:36,265 --> 00:26:39,974
And yes, so we could then try to
direct people to Spotify
if

485
00:26:39,974 --> 00:26:42,849
Apple takes it down, but that's
still going to be a heavy


486
00:26:42,857 --> 00:26:46,539
lift, and not everybody's going
to do it, so you, we can still


487
00:26:46,547 --> 00:26:49,620
suffer even with an RSS feed,
John Jamingo: but they could


488
00:26:49,628 --> 00:26:52,438
take you out of the directory,
but they can't take your RSS


489
00:26:52,446 --> 00:26:55,009
feed down.
The only way that they can take

490
00:26:55,009 --> 00:26:58,810
your RSS feed
down, I've seen
Podbean take an RSS feed down

491
00:26:58,810 --> 00:27:00,560
because somebody
complained
about it.

492
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,712
That's why I'll never recommend
anybody to
go to Podbeat.

493
00:27:03,712 --> 00:27:08,098
Also, if you have an RSS feed
and you go into the
2.0

494
00:27:08,098 --> 00:27:12,290
directory, they will not take
you down, so it still is
the

495
00:27:12,290 --> 00:27:15,378
best game in town.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, so, and I


496
00:27:15,386 --> 00:27:17,944
guess my point was, it's not
completely foolproof, and that


497
00:27:17,952 --> 00:27:22,524
there can be ways that you can
lose your podcast even if it is

498
00:27:22,524 --> 00:27:27,008
on an RSS feed, and down to the
host of the RSS feed, like


499
00:27:27,016 --> 00:27:30,410
you're pointing out, Podbean can
take it down, and that's so


500
00:27:30,418 --> 00:27:32,255
could Libsyn, so could Buzz
Sprout.

501
00:27:32,255 --> 00:27:35,390
They have that ability.

I'm not saying they do it, but

502
00:27:35,420 --> 00:27:38,396
they have that ability.
We don't
fully own it, that's

503
00:27:38,396 --> 00:27:40,736
all I'm trying to say.
Now, Junior, I
think you

504
00:27:40,736 --> 00:27:42,010
wanted to chime in.
Go ahead.

505
00:27:42,580 --> 00:27:43,460
JR Sparrow: Good morning,

everybody.

506
00:27:43,460 --> 00:27:44,515
How's everybody doing?
Marc Ronick: Good.

507
00:27:44,515 --> 00:27:45,670
Welcome to
the stage.
It's been a minute.

508
00:27:45,670 --> 00:27:47,938
It's JR Sparrow: been a while,
you
know.

509
00:27:47,938 --> 00:27:49,629
Heart problems coming back.
No Marc Ronick: kidding.

510
00:27:49,629 --> 00:27:51,322
I'm glad
you're doing okay.
JR Sparrow: All right.

511
00:27:51,322 --> 00:27:53,337
Now,
here's the full thing
that's happened with me, because

512
00:27:53,337 --> 00:27:56,059
I had
open heart surgery.
I have become a full-time

513
00:27:56,059 --> 00:27:58,480
podcaster
because I can't
return to my regular job, and

514
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,880
everybody knows
that if you
know me well.

515
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,794
First off, if you don't know me,
my
name is JR Sparrow, host of

516
00:28:03,794 --> 00:28:06,577
West Virginia and Common Place,
and
Apple Charting spares

517
00:28:06,577 --> 00:28:08,778
under review.
Enough right there.

518
00:28:08,778 --> 00:28:14,395
My
problem in podcasting today
with video with audio, when you

519
00:28:14,395 --> 00:28:20,045
go to
someone for advertising
that we do a movie review show,

520
00:28:20,045 --> 00:28:22,190
so our
business is nothing but
content.

521
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:27,650
I can show a metric in audio

that I've had clients not be

522
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:30,500
able to pull, because you can

pull that YouTube stuff all day,

523
00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:35,210
but a true metric, a performance

metric that works for an

524
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,540
advertiser from Spotify.

Nobody's been able to prove,

525
00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:41,950
pull something, and even come to

me with something that makes

526
00:28:42,010 --> 00:28:46,120
sense to take to an advertiser

from there, from Apple, from

527
00:28:46,180 --> 00:28:50,388
that H was it HSL feed.
I have
not seen anything

528
00:28:50,388 --> 00:28:54,050
measurable that I can take to
someone to be
like, hey, we

529
00:28:54,050 --> 00:28:58,636
can use this to get an indie
podcaster or an
indie content

530
00:28:58,636 --> 00:29:01,790
creator any type of money other
than audio.

531
00:29:01,790 --> 00:29:06,420
Now,
my next thing is this: in
a performance scale, when we

532
00:29:06,420 --> 00:29:10,590
talk
about us podcasters on
this tier, we're on right now, I

533
00:29:10,590 --> 00:29:14,114
have
a problem because I see
successful people over on


534
00:29:14,122 --> 00:29:18,506
YouTube, but I do not see it
translating into this podcasting

535
00:29:18,506 --> 00:29:23,125

charting and this RSS feed,
like I can distinctively take my

536
00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:24,648

numbers against a YouTube
person.

537
00:29:24,648 --> 00:29:27,890
A YouTube person has a
lot of
views and all this amazing stuff

538
00:29:27,890 --> 00:29:30,954
going on there,
but when we
translated over to downloads and

539
00:29:30,954 --> 00:29:34,684
streams, which
were measurable
things over off of an RSS feed,

540
00:29:34,684 --> 00:29:38,155
I beat them.
The
Stacy show beats them, and

541
00:29:38,155 --> 00:29:40,675
we're able to show something to
an
advertiser and get someone

542
00:29:40,675 --> 00:29:44,140
to put money behind us, because
we
can actually say that, hey,

543
00:29:44,620 --> 00:29:46,900
here's a download, here's

something specific that we can

544
00:29:46,930 --> 00:29:49,351
grab.
My problem is the
definitive

545
00:29:49,351 --> 00:29:54,182
measurement for a video, or for
a podcast, I mean,
or for a

546
00:29:54,182 --> 00:29:58,210
video format that is called a
podcast to be measured
in the

547
00:29:58,210 --> 00:29:59,882
advertising space, there's
truly.

548
00:29:59,882 --> 00:30:03,696
No way to measure
it right now
in a way that's universal, like

549
00:30:03,696 --> 00:30:07,600
there is with
what's set up
for an RSS feed and a stream and

550
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,705
a download.
Ralph Estep Jr: I want to jump


551
00:30:09,713 --> 00:30:12,276
in there, JR, because I kind of
disagree with you, and actually

552
00:30:12,276 --> 00:30:15,504
I don't think downloads are
much of a measurement anyway.


553
00:30:15,512 --> 00:30:17,238
Because, Marc Ronick: hey,
Ralph, real
quick, don't

554
00:30:17,238 --> 00:30:19,655
disagree with him too much,
because JR has told me
that

555
00:30:19,655 --> 00:30:21,560
his mom is a big fan of your
show.

556
00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:23,240
Ralph Estep Jr: Well, that's

cool.

557
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,592
And listen, that is, there's
nothing wrong with that.


558
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,168
What I'm getting at is I
actually think that the idea of

559
00:30:29,168 --> 00:30:32,762
downloads, if you want to race
to the bottom for CPM, that's


560
00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:34,664
great, it's fantastic.
That'll put money in your

561
00:30:34,664 --> 00:30:36,749
pocket, it'll
put a couple of
nickels in your pocket, you go

562
00:30:36,749 --> 00:30:38,516
to Dunkin' Donuts
and buy a
coffee.

563
00:30:38,516 --> 00:30:42,438
Actually, what I think this
change to HLS
actually gives

564
00:30:42,438 --> 00:30:45,943
you amazing robust information
because
you're going to be

565
00:30:45,943 --> 00:30:49,604
able to show an advertiser how
long people
are actually

566
00:30:49,604 --> 00:30:52,310
consuming your content, and
guess what, if I'm
an average,

567
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:54,555
I work with money, that's what I
do, right?

568
00:30:54,555 --> 00:30:57,931
If I'm
an advertiser, I want
to know how long are people

569
00:30:57,931 --> 00:31:00,582
holding on,
are people
actually hearing my ad?

570
00:31:00,582 --> 00:31:03,570
A download doesn't tell them

that, because even if you say

571
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:06,780
the IAB download, which is one

minute in length, if my

572
00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:10,230
advertisements mid roll or if my

advertisements somewhere past

573
00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:13,890
one minute, that advertiser does

have zero guarantee that their

574
00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:17,910
ad was even hurt, whereas with

the HLS, the streaming stuff,

575
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,560
where you get into consumption

percentages, that does, because

576
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,600
then you can say to the

advertiser, here's the

577
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:26,660
percentage of completion, here's

the packets that this person

578
00:31:27,050 --> 00:31:28,375
actually watched or listened to.



579
00:31:28,383 --> 00:31:32,196
So I actually think that we're
better off in the HLS model as


580
00:31:32,204 --> 00:31:35,380
compared to the RSS model.
See, now I'm really going to

581
00:31:35,380 --> 00:31:37,999
annoy
people.
I totally believe that JR

582
00:31:37,999 --> 00:31:40,151
Sparrow: with you.
If I
couldn't show the length

583
00:31:40,151 --> 00:31:43,839
of how long people listen to my
episodes, I can show on every

584
00:31:43,929 --> 00:31:46,745
one of Stacey's episodes 80% of
listening retention.

585
00:31:46,745 --> 00:31:50,396
So I have backed up data that I
can show
to advertisers, and I

586
00:31:50,396 --> 00:31:53,550
can show you and receipts
privately or
anybody $60,000

587
00:31:53,550 --> 00:31:57,975
made last year off of a
non-video podcast,
strictly

588
00:31:57,975 --> 00:32:02,354
based off showing RSS feeds,
showing the retention,
showing

589
00:32:02,354 --> 00:32:06,004
the demographic gains, because
my show, I'm based out
of West

590
00:32:06,004 --> 00:32:09,489
Virginia, but I can show you
from Maine to Florida all
the

591
00:32:09,489 --> 00:32:13,674
way over to freaking Truman,
Arkansas, down to the tip, the


592
00:32:13,682 --> 00:32:17,399
demographic of the people that
listen to my show, the females,

593
00:32:17,399 --> 00:32:20,815
the males, I can get any
analytic you want, I can get so

594
00:32:20,815 --> 00:32:24,457
deep into the detail that your
mark will be valid if I seen


595
00:32:24,465 --> 00:32:28,147
more once we learn more about
this HSL and get deeper into it.

596
00:32:28,147 --> 00:32:29,989


I can argue more with you, but

597
00:32:30,019 --> 00:32:33,559
an RSS feed, and what we can

get, I mean, I understand what

598
00:32:33,589 --> 00:32:36,259
you're saying, but I mean I've

got receipts and I got proof, I

599
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:41,469
can show you that an RSS feed

has made me at least in a 10

600
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:45,159
year career, almost half a

million dollars, you know, in

601
00:32:45,219 --> 00:32:47,869
podcasting, and no lie.
And I
can show you Spotify

602
00:32:47,869 --> 00:32:50,759
paying me.
I can tell you that I've seen


603
00:32:50,767 --> 00:32:54,303
more success for me personally
on an audio end than a video,


604
00:32:54,311 --> 00:32:56,904
and I've seen more indie people.
I'm not talking about people


605
00:32:56,912 --> 00:32:59,376
that got production deals, I'm
talking about the guy that sits

606
00:32:59,376 --> 00:33:02,685
at home, that it's me and my
wife, and we have 10 people that

607
00:33:02,685 --> 00:33:04,497

listen to our show that I
don't pay.

608
00:33:04,497 --> 00:33:07,589
I don't even have a team.

It's two of us that run a

609
00:33:07,649 --> 00:33:11,249
podcast, and we make that kind

of money and put no shame in

610
00:33:11,309 --> 00:33:13,771
what we do.
But, and I don't
discredit

611
00:33:13,771 --> 00:33:17,018
video, but the clients that I
take on, the 12 people I
take

612
00:33:17,018 --> 00:33:19,267
on every single year, they deal
with video and different


613
00:33:19,275 --> 00:33:22,885
things like that, and it's a
hidden metric, you can't show me

614
00:33:22,885 --> 00:33:26,099

a video podcaster that has
success, that's indie, that's


615
00:33:26,107 --> 00:33:29,984
one of us, you can't show me an
indie podcaster that does video

616
00:33:29,984 --> 00:33:33,829
that has the same success as
one of us on Apple, Spotify, or

617
00:33:33,829 --> 00:33:36,599
somewhere else, you can't, Marc
Ronick: Jr.

618
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:39,720
Thank you, and
I appreciate
the passion, and I see both

619
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,250
sides of this, and I
think
what the challenge here is, and

620
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:45,956
we got to keep things
moving
here, but I do want to just say,

621
00:33:45,956 --> 00:33:50,616
look, you're basing
this off
of your career up to this point

622
00:33:50,616 --> 00:33:54,801
in podcasting, right,
but the
truth is, is that now video,

623
00:33:54,801 --> 00:33:59,194
whether we like it or
not, has
infiltrated in some ways into

624
00:33:59,194 --> 00:34:03,609
this industry, and
with this
new system, with this HLS

625
00:34:03,609 --> 00:34:07,470
system, and system similar,

like True Fans, has something

626
00:34:07,650 --> 00:34:09,870
very similar to that, that

they're doing, even with audio

627
00:34:09,989 --> 00:34:14,520
podcasting, but the my point is
that we, it's too soon to say

628
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,170
right now, with the new way

video is going to be implemented

629
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,850
versus the old way, because with

the old way I 100% agree with

630
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,813
you.
The new way I don't
disagree

631
00:34:24,813 --> 00:34:27,370
with you.
It's just we've got to see what

632
00:34:27,370 --> 00:34:29,239
happens.

We just don't have enough data

633
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,495
yet to see how this is going to
affect negatively or

634
00:34:32,495 --> 00:34:34,710
positively.
So, thank you, Jr.

635
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:37,070
I appreciate
it.
And Tony, hear where you're

636
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:38,333
coming from.
Okay.

637
00:34:38,333 --> 00:34:42,219
And here's
what we should do.
Let's do this.

638
00:34:42,219 --> 00:34:47,020
Let's quickly tease what's

coming up on Monday before we

639
00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:50,560
finish this conversation and

move into wins from the week,

640
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,929
because I do have two more

questions that I really want to

641
00:34:52,989 --> 00:34:55,498
hit.
Ralph, what's happening for


642
00:34:55,505 --> 00:34:58,488
Money Monday?
Ralph Estep Jr: Yeah, coming up

643
00:34:58,488 --> 00:35:01,290
on Monday the 18th on.
The show, it's going to be Money

644
00:35:01,290 --> 00:35:03,486
Monday,
and we're getting into
one of the biggest questions

645
00:35:03,486 --> 00:35:07,028
podcasters
ask, and it's, How
do we actually make money from

646
00:35:07,028 --> 00:35:08,610
this?

I'm going to be leading a

647
00:35:08,610 --> 00:35:11,400
community conversation built

around questions I hear all the

648
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:13,770
time from podcasters.
I've got
some mailbag

649
00:35:13,770 --> 00:35:17,350
questions, we talk about small
show monetization,
sponsors,

650
00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:20,762
affiliate links, merchandise,
memberships, live
events, and

651
00:35:20,762 --> 00:35:23,672
when to start treating your
podcast like a
real business.

652
00:35:23,672 --> 00:35:26,282
So, I want to encourage
everybody to join us
on

653
00:35:26,282 --> 00:35:29,192
Monday, bring your questions.
It's going to be, you can pick


654
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,808
my brain for the whole time
we're doing this show again.


655
00:35:31,816 --> 00:35:34,400
That's on Monday, right here on
the Podcasting Morning Show.

656
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,200
Marc Ronick: Thank you, Ralph.

Okay, so you know, I think based

657
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,632
on the last, where the last

conversation took us.

658
00:35:42,632 --> 00:35:44,688
I'm curious, where everyone
thinks.


659
00:35:44,696 --> 00:35:49,338
Where does the industry feel
less healthy than it used to, if

660
00:35:49,338 --> 00:35:51,592

at all?
Does anyone have any thought?

661
00:35:51,592 --> 00:35:53,146
Does the industry..

maybe I'll rephrase it.

662
00:35:53,146 --> 00:35:54,970
Does the industry feel
healthier?

663
00:35:54,970 --> 00:35:58,480
Yes,
Ralph, go ahead.
Ralph Estep Jr: I think the


664
00:35:58,488 --> 00:36:01,567
industry is healthy for very
successful hosts who can get


665
00:36:01,575 --> 00:36:04,620
sponsors and who can go find the
money.

666
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:09,093
I think it's less helpful
for
folks who are looking for the

667
00:36:09,093 --> 00:36:11,668
small sponsors, and unless
you
have a very niche podcast, and

668
00:36:11,668 --> 00:36:13,290
we'll talk about that on

Monday, where you can have a

669
00:36:13,350 --> 00:36:16,470
small audience and make money.

But I think that the chasm, as I

670
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:19,260
used the word earlier, is

dividing, and I think it's

671
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,850
making it much harder because

the networks are sucking all of

672
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,420
those advertising dollars out

and pushing them into the shows

673
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:29,330
with a million downloads or

50,000 downloads, whatever that

674
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:33,378
is, and I think that's hard for
the DIY podcaster, because

675
00:36:33,378 --> 00:36:36,230
those opportunities aren't there
as
much as they were before.

676
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:38,750
Marc Ronick: Thank you, Ralph.

And I'm going to move right to

677
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:42,743
my next question, which feels

appropriate as a follow-up.

678
00:36:42,743 --> 00:36:48,550
Here has podcasting has the

podcasting advice space gotten

679
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:51,829
better or noisier?
And I'm going
to share this

680
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:56,113
first, my, my thought first.
So I think that
the podcasting

681
00:36:56,113 --> 00:37:00,234
advice space has gotten noisier
because so much
of it focuses

682
00:37:00,234 --> 00:37:04,926
on the tips and the tricks, the
things like the
hooks, the CTA

683
00:37:04,926 --> 00:37:08,844
placement, the editing do's and
don'ts, the
posting schedule

684
00:37:08,844 --> 00:37:12,480
times, the growth hacks, and
look, that
stuff does matter.

685
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,670
I'm not trying to discount it,
but I
think it can distract

686
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:18,925
creators from looking at the
show itself.


687
00:37:18,933 --> 00:37:21,835
A lot of podcasters are
frustrated because they're not


688
00:37:21,843 --> 00:37:25,358
being found or they're not
growing or they're being led to

689
00:37:25,358 --> 00:37:29,144
believe the problem is that
they haven't implemented the

690
00:37:29,144 --> 00:37:33,632
right
tactic yet.
Sometimes the harder, more

691
00:37:33,632 --> 00:37:37,244
useful question is,
the
content strong enough?

692
00:37:37,244 --> 00:37:40,919
Is the show clear enough?
Is it
compelling enough for

693
00:37:40,919 --> 00:37:44,340
someone to come back to it.
That's where I
think the

694
00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:47,890
advice base needs to get better.
Is let's start
helping people,

695
00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:51,964
and I think we do that here.
Let's start
helping people

696
00:37:51,964 --> 00:37:54,670
improve the overall quality of
the show.

697
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:59,754
I
think that we get so tied up
in, we got to do this hack, we

698
00:37:59,754 --> 00:38:02,624
got
to do it this specific
way, if we're going to get more

699
00:38:02,624 --> 00:38:05,505
people
to find us, or more
people to stay tuned, right.

700
00:38:05,505 --> 00:38:09,288
But the truth
of the matter
is, maybe people aren't finding

701
00:38:09,288 --> 00:38:10,758
us, maybe people
aren't
listening.

702
00:38:10,758 --> 00:38:15,194
I'm just going to be blunt,
because the show is
bad, and

703
00:38:15,194 --> 00:38:19,764
that's not talked about enough.
Maybe your show just
needs a

704
00:38:19,764 --> 00:38:23,610
real big overhaul, your audience
isn't connecting with
it.

705
00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:26,344
Why not?
It's not necessarily because

706
00:38:26,344 --> 00:38:28,628
your intro
wasn't strong
enough.

707
00:38:28,628 --> 00:38:32,282
That might be a factor, but it
might just
be that the whole

708
00:38:32,282 --> 00:38:35,825
show needs a lot of work, and
that's where I
think the

709
00:38:35,825 --> 00:38:38,510
advice space fails right now in
its entirety.

710
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:42,078
There
are definitely people
out there that are focusing on

711
00:38:42,078 --> 00:38:44,630
that, like
this show.
Okay, Ralph, you wanted to

712
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:46,006
respond.
Ralph Estep Jr: I want to jump


713
00:38:46,014 --> 00:38:48,246
in there, Mark, because I 100%
agree with you.

714
00:38:48,246 --> 00:38:51,004
And here's the
disconnect: I
don't think the average person

715
00:38:51,004 --> 00:38:54,046
wants an honest
assessment of
what their content is, because

716
00:38:54,046 --> 00:38:58,270
you people ask for
reviews,
people ask, we ask for

717
00:38:58,330 --> 00:39:00,160
evaluations, and we don't get

them.

718
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,048
I think that, and Dave Jackson
was talking about this
last

719
00:39:03,048 --> 00:39:05,630
week on Ask the Podcast Coach,
and he's right, there's a


720
00:39:05,638 --> 00:39:08,298
mechanism out there to get
feedback, but I'm not sure


721
00:39:08,306 --> 00:39:11,155
people want to hear it.
People want to hear, well, use

722
00:39:11,155 --> 00:39:14,150
this
tool or use this, but
they don't want to hear your

723
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:17,482
content is
weak, they don't
want to hear you need to invest.

724
00:39:17,482 --> 00:39:20,805
Listen, I'm
at 1200 or so
episodes on my daily show, when

725
00:39:20,805 --> 00:39:22,452
I first
started, it was
terrible.

726
00:39:22,452 --> 00:39:26,330
It was a garbage fire, but what
I did
was I went out and

727
00:39:26,330 --> 00:39:28,860
enlisted people who told me,
Ralph, you
are not good at

728
00:39:28,860 --> 00:39:30,942
what you're doing, and did that
hurt?

729
00:39:30,942 --> 00:39:34,520
Yes,
but it made me stronger.
It made me a better

730
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,783
communicator, and I
went and
invested the time, I invested

731
00:39:37,783 --> 00:39:39,808
the money, and I did
the
things that people said.

732
00:39:39,808 --> 00:39:42,352
If you're not willing to do
that,
then jump off the

733
00:39:42,352 --> 00:39:44,740
bandwagon now, because you're
never going to
grow if you

734
00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:47,683
don't get challenged, and you
don't, and
you don't ask

735
00:39:47,683 --> 00:39:50,388
people like Mark and other
people in the
community, and

736
00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:53,479
say, tell me what I could do
better, and stop
being so

737
00:39:53,479 --> 00:39:56,114
friggin defensive about it, and
actually do something
with it.

738
00:39:56,114 --> 00:39:58,906
Sorry, this is a passion thing
of me, because I
just believe

739
00:39:58,906 --> 00:40:01,114
there's so many people that.
Complain about I
don't have

740
00:40:01,114 --> 00:40:02,970
any listeners, and I don't have
any downloads.

741
00:40:02,970 --> 00:40:04,755
What
are you doing to get
them?

742
00:40:04,755 --> 00:40:06,465
Are you putting yourself out
there?


743
00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:09,165
Are you asking tough questions?
Are you asking your audience?


744
00:40:09,173 --> 00:40:12,546
Are you asking your audience to
tell you this is no good, and if

745
00:40:12,546 --> 00:40:15,234

you hear it's no good, then
either fix it or get the hell


746
00:40:15,242 --> 00:40:18,006
off the road.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, one of my


747
00:40:18,014 --> 00:40:20,634
favorite kinds of consulting
clients are the ones that, when

748
00:40:20,634 --> 00:40:24,005
I first sit down with them
after listening to some of their

749
00:40:24,005 --> 00:40:27,425

podcast episodes, and they say
to me, Mark, do not be gentle.


750
00:40:27,433 --> 00:40:30,170
Those are my favorite clients,
the ones that are just like,


751
00:40:30,178 --> 00:40:32,840
give it to me straight, I want
this to be better, right?

752
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,778
Yeah,
so if you're one of
those clients, feel free to

753
00:40:35,778 --> 00:40:38,856
reach out
anytime at Ironic
media.com I'd love to love to

754
00:40:38,856 --> 00:40:40,870
sit down with
you, Ralph Estep
Jr: but Mark, Billy
said

755
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:43,272
something in the chat, too.
I think we need to address, and

756
00:40:43,272 --> 00:40:44,920
Billy said, let me find it
here.

757
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:47,220
All kinds of pros with zero

receipts.

758
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:50,370
That's another problem, though.
Is there are a
bunch of these

759
00:40:50,370 --> 00:40:52,765
coach hustlers out there that
are promising
people, but have

760
00:40:52,765 --> 00:40:54,218
no concept of what they're
doing.

761
00:40:54,218 --> 00:40:56,995
Look at
their own shows, are
they doing anything with their

762
00:40:56,995 --> 00:40:58,930
own shows?

And then decide, am I going to

763
00:40:58,990 --> 00:41:01,440
partner up with this person,

because there's a whole lot of

764
00:41:01,470 --> 00:41:03,750
people that have jumped onto

this coaching bandwagon that

765
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:05,280
have no clue what they're

talking about.

766
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:09,158
Marc Ronick: I fully agree, and
agree with Billy as well.

767
00:41:09,158 --> 00:41:12,171
John, you put something in the
chat
that I'd love for you to

768
00:41:12,171 --> 00:41:14,853
expand on, maybe as our final
point
before we move into our

769
00:41:14,853 --> 00:41:17,695
next segment.
You wrote, could we as


770
00:41:17,703 --> 00:41:20,762
podcasters fall into the instant
gratification trap?

771
00:41:20,762 --> 00:41:24,152
Tell us
more.
John Jamingo: Well, we start a


772
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,310
podcast, we put it out there.
We have 10 episodes, and we say,

773
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:30,350

hey, I need to get
advertising.

774
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:32,276
Advertising, you don't have an

audience.

775
00:41:32,276 --> 00:41:34,910
Dave Jackson says you don't
monetize a podcast, you


776
00:41:34,918 --> 00:41:37,661
monetize your audience, and I
agree with that.

777
00:41:37,661 --> 00:41:40,870
The thing is,
sometimes
overnight successes take years,

778
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:45,480
you can have a great
podcast,
but you have to be able to

779
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,713
promote it.
I'm horrible at
promoting my

780
00:41:47,713 --> 00:41:49,609
own podcast.
I stink at it.

781
00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:52,480
I can have a good
podcast, I
can make it sound great.

782
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,990
I stink at promotion.
I
don't like promoting myself.

783
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:57,896
I don't know why, I just don't.


784
00:41:57,904 --> 00:42:00,625
But I don't do this again.
I'm not doing this to make

785
00:42:00,625 --> 00:42:03,206
money, I
do this for fun, but
that's not an excuse.

786
00:42:03,206 --> 00:42:07,790
I still have to force
myself,
and I mean force myself, to do

787
00:42:07,790 --> 00:42:10,175
any kind of promotion.
And
I think sometimes people

788
00:42:10,175 --> 00:42:13,440
put something out there and they

say, well, okay, I put out a

789
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:15,740
podcast, why don't I have all

these listeners?

790
00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:19,366
But I just have to hear a JR, I
think I'm
starting a movie

791
00:42:19,366 --> 00:42:21,050
review podcast, 60,000 hours a
year.

792
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,000
Marc Ronick: Love it.
Thank you,
John.

793
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,350
Yeah, I appreciate that.
All right, so let's see.

794
00:42:28,350 --> 00:42:31,324
I'll go
give BC the final
word, and really this will be

795
00:42:31,324 --> 00:42:33,373
the final
word until we move
into the next segment.

796
00:42:33,373 --> 00:42:35,684
Go ahead, BC.
BC Babbles: I was gonna say that

797
00:42:35,684 --> 00:42:38,200

that's really similar to
something that is a huge


798
00:42:38,208 --> 00:42:40,152
phenomenon amongst us marketing
strategists.

799
00:42:40,152 --> 00:42:44,653
We put so much time
into
making sure our clients get all

800
00:42:44,653 --> 00:42:47,320
the attention they deserve,

and we just, as a result, it

801
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:50,020
just happenstance, we do not

give ourselves the same amount

802
00:42:50,020 --> 00:42:52,780
of attention, so it causes the

same issue that Ralph did bring

803
00:42:52,930 --> 00:42:54,400
up.
We don't have the numbers to


804
00:42:54,408 --> 00:42:57,290
kind of showcase as the
receipts, but we spend our all


805
00:42:57,298 --> 00:43:00,456
of our time teaching and
consulting, so it's just a, it's

806
00:43:00,456 --> 00:43:02,490

a weird caveat in this
creative world.

807
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:06,660
Marc Ronick: Agreed, and I was

sitting here looking for the

808
00:43:06,810 --> 00:43:09,682
wins from the week jingle, and I

can't find it.

809
00:43:09,682 --> 00:43:12,468
This has been..
I gotta just clear out my board

810
00:43:12,468 --> 00:43:14,770
and restart it, I think.
Ralph, you don't have that, do

811
00:43:14,770 --> 00:43:16,557
you?
Ralph Estep Jr: I do not, my


812
00:43:16,565 --> 00:43:18,024
friend.
Marc Ronick: Oh man, all right.

813
00:43:18,024 --> 00:43:19,380

Well, we'll maybe have to add it

814
00:43:19,410 --> 00:43:22,509
in into post, because I just

can't do it without it.

815
00:43:22,509 --> 00:43:24,944
All right, give me a second.
Let me
see here.

816
00:43:24,944 --> 00:43:27,012
Hold on.
No, I can't find it.

817
00:43:27,012 --> 00:43:30,755
Oh, well, wins from the
week.
There we go.

818
00:43:30,755 --> 00:43:33,302
I don't know why I lost that
sound.

819
00:43:33,302 --> 00:43:36,026
I have
sounds that are
disappearing from my board, and

820
00:43:36,026 --> 00:43:39,988
I need to
figure out why.
All right, so with that, now is

821
00:43:39,988 --> 00:43:43,270
our segment
where we're gonna
dig into your wins from this

822
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:45,090
past week.
These
are doesn't matter what,

823
00:43:45,090 --> 00:43:47,445
how big or little you think this
win is.


824
00:43:47,453 --> 00:43:51,592
This is just something that you
want to celebrate, you want to


825
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,220
acknowledge as something
positive that's happened during

826
00:43:54,220 --> 00:43:57,414
your week, and like I always
say, sometimes that might just


827
00:43:57,422 --> 00:44:01,265
be that you were able to get out
of bed each morning and get


828
00:44:01,273 --> 00:44:04,350
through your day, because it's
been a challenging week, and


829
00:44:04,358 --> 00:44:07,179
that's okay.
That's a perfectly fine win to

830
00:44:07,179 --> 00:44:09,506
celebrate.
So, I'm
inviting all of you

831
00:44:09,506 --> 00:44:12,675
who are listening now here on
Clubhouse,
those of you who

832
00:44:12,675 --> 00:44:15,540
are watching on video streams,
if you want to
put it in the

833
00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:19,470
chat, but for those of you here
on Clubhouse,
come up on stage

834
00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:22,880
and share your wins with us, and
we will do the
same.

835
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,770
Thank you, Billy.
Appreciate you heeding that


836
00:44:24,778 --> 00:44:26,979
call.
I'm going to go to John first,

837
00:44:26,979 --> 00:44:29,990
because I saw John flash
that
hot pepper, so go for it, John.

838
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,170
John Jamingo: My win was coming
on this show as a guest

839
00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:35,405
yesterday.
It was a lot of fun,
and I

840
00:44:35,405 --> 00:44:38,420
drug some of my other podcasters
over with me, and
they said,

841
00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:41,195
'Wow, you did a whole hour
without swearings, that was


842
00:44:41,203 --> 00:44:43,612
amazing.
I know you could do that, so

843
00:44:43,612 --> 00:44:45,517
yeah.
And this
community, this

844
00:44:45,517 --> 00:44:47,776
community is a real win for me
too.

845
00:44:47,776 --> 00:44:50,512
So that
they're my two wins.
Marc Ronick: Thank you, John.


846
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,993
And I celebrate that win with
you, for sure.

847
00:44:52,993 --> 00:44:55,380
We really enjoyed
having you
on yesterday.

848
00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:58,600
That was an awesome
conversation, was
fun, it was

849
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,034
informative.
Thank you for.

850
00:45:00,034 --> 00:45:04,574
Helping to make one of
my wins
possible, which was a great week

851
00:45:04,574 --> 00:45:07,877
of shows again.
Ever
since we did this shift

852
00:45:07,877 --> 00:45:11,650
to on May the fourth, when we
shifted
the name, shifted the

853
00:45:11,650 --> 00:45:14,637
time, I feel like the content
has gotten
a lot stronger.

854
00:45:14,637 --> 00:45:17,700
The conversations have become
way
more valuable, for

855
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:19,646
whatever reason, like each and
every
show.

856
00:45:19,646 --> 00:45:22,994
I'm not just saying that I feel
really good about the
content

857
00:45:22,994 --> 00:45:26,062
that we've been putting out all
month long, so and John,


858
00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:28,190
you're a part of that, so thank
you.

859
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:32,510
I celebrate that with you.

I'm going to go to Junaid next.

860
00:45:32,810 --> 00:45:36,260
Janae, you want to share any

wins with Junaid: us?

861
00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:38,210
Good morning.
Yes,
absolutely amazing

862
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:40,758
community.
Love the new time, gives me a


863
00:45:40,766 --> 00:45:43,918
little more time to hang out,
but the wins.

864
00:45:43,918 --> 00:45:48,352
Well, I got a
letter the other
day from our good friend Said

865
00:45:48,352 --> 00:45:49,876
Meadows, and it
just said
Meadows.

866
00:45:49,876 --> 00:45:52,210
I was like, I didn't get
anything from Meadows
Farm,

867
00:45:52,210 --> 00:45:54,100
because we have a Meadows Farm
here.

868
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:57,712
So I open it up as a
thank you
message from him, saying thank

869
00:45:57,712 --> 00:46:00,635
you for working
with him on
eCamm Live.

870
00:46:00,635 --> 00:46:03,055
That's my one win.
You send me a gift
card as

871
00:46:03,055 --> 00:46:05,094
well.
Like, oh my god, you didn't have

872
00:46:05,094 --> 00:46:08,130
to do that.

Second win, I revealed Pod Glue

873
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,580
to the world on a live stream

yesterday with Stephanie Garcia

874
00:46:12,330 --> 00:46:15,099
on Lights Camera Live on her

live stream channel.

875
00:46:15,099 --> 00:46:20,215
And then we are also launching
it as a soft
launch on the

876
00:46:20,215 --> 00:46:24,810
22nd of May, it is open for beta
right now, so if
you want to

877
00:46:24,810 --> 00:46:27,670
go play in it, you are welcome
to come in.

878
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:29,600
Go to
poglu.com forward slash
beta.

879
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,040
Thank you so much.
That's my
wins.

880
00:46:31,820 --> 00:46:34,850
Marc Ronick: Congratulations.

Now, Junaid, you may remember.

881
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:37,490
Do you remember about, I don't

know, maybe it was about a week

882
00:46:37,580 --> 00:46:42,744
ago I asked you for your

address, Sid Meadows: maybe Marc

883
00:46:42,744 --> 00:46:44,693
Ronick: that was Sid Meadows:
funny, Marc Ronick: I was

884
00:46:44,693 --> 00:46:47,350
helping sit
out, Sid Meadows:
Marcus, Marcus
Park,

885
00:46:47,350 --> 00:46:50,755
hilarious.
Junaid: Well, thank you, guys, I

886
00:46:50,755 --> 00:46:52,120

appreciate it.
Yeah, I feel loved.

887
00:46:52,270 --> 00:46:54,562
Marc Ronick: Congratulations on
your wins, very cool.

888
00:46:54,562 --> 00:47:00,220
And I am especially excited when
a win
like yours that involves

889
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,120
community members, I'm

especially excited for that one.

890
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,953
So, thank you for sharing.
And
let's go to Billy, who's

891
00:47:05,953 --> 00:47:07,816
on stage as well.
Bill, you want to
share any

892
00:47:07,816 --> 00:47:08,700
wins with us?
Good morning.

893
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,290
Bill: Hey, good morning, Mark.

Good to hear you guys.

894
00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:15,678
At 8o'clock instead of seven, so

that's always awesome.

895
00:47:15,678 --> 00:47:17,922
And it's two cups of coffee,
that's the
secret.

896
00:47:17,922 --> 00:47:20,954
Everyone has had their second
cup of coffee, and that's
why

897
00:47:20,954 --> 00:47:24,624
the content is better, but I
mean, a couple wins.

898
00:47:24,624 --> 00:47:28,190
One, I've
surpassed 4600
videos on Amazon, which I'm

899
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:30,740
super stoked about.
Marc Ronick: Wow, Bill: and then

900
00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:35,206
I actually, this
is kind of a
bummer, and a win is we had a

901
00:47:35,206 --> 00:47:39,087
car that went kaput,
so I had
to buy a new car, but I just

902
00:47:39,087 --> 00:47:42,509
wanted to, like, I don't
know,
testify to the power of creating

903
00:47:42,509 --> 00:47:45,740
content and the
opportunities,
because my wife and I are able

904
00:47:45,740 --> 00:47:50,480
to buy a new to
us vehicle in
cash, and that's partly because

905
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,337
of content
creation over the
last four years, and the

906
00:47:54,337 --> 00:47:58,096
compounding, you
know, aspect
of the content creation

907
00:47:58,096 --> 00:48:01,568
business, so for
anybody
who's, you know, going, is this

908
00:48:01,568 --> 00:48:03,537
possible?
It's
definitely possible, man.

909
00:48:03,537 --> 00:48:05,850
It's changed my life, and I'm
going
to start creating a

910
00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:09,554
little bit more content around
that,
because I think all of

911
00:48:09,554 --> 00:48:13,944
us are storytellers, and you
know, when
we, when we tell

912
00:48:13,944 --> 00:48:16,644
our story, it opens up
opportunity for other
people

913
00:48:16,644 --> 00:48:19,350
to live, you know, the same
story, or something
similar,

914
00:48:19,350 --> 00:48:22,216
their own gives them permission
to live their own, so
I just

915
00:48:22,216 --> 00:48:25,304
wanted to share that, not to be
like a flex or anything,
but

916
00:48:25,304 --> 00:48:29,342
you know, I'm a trailer park
kid, and I never thought I would

917
00:48:29,342 --> 00:48:32,486

one live on a Caribbean
island, and two, never thought

918
00:48:32,486 --> 00:48:35,742
I'd ever
be able to buy a new
truck in cash, which was pretty

919
00:48:35,742 --> 00:48:38,130
crazy for
me.
So there you go, Dave Ramsey,

920
00:48:38,130 --> 00:48:41,104
you'll be proud of me.
Marc Ronick: I know Ralph was


921
00:48:41,112 --> 00:48:43,396
proud of you.
He lit up when you were sharing

922
00:48:43,396 --> 00:48:47,198
on screen here.
I
saw, and, oh yeah, there's

923
00:48:47,198 --> 00:48:50,020
the applause from Ralph as well.



924
00:48:50,028 --> 00:48:54,976
Yeah, and Billy, 4600 videos on
Amazon, which is just mind


925
00:48:54,984 --> 00:48:57,430
blowing.
In what period of time?

926
00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:59,500
How long did it take you to do

that many videos?

927
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,728
Bill: I think it's about..
I was
actually trying to

928
00:49:01,728 --> 00:49:04,554
figure that out the other day.
I think it's
about four years,

929
00:49:04,554 --> 00:49:08,034
maybe, maybe a touch over four
years, but Marc Ronick: wow, so

930
00:49:08,034 --> 00:49:12,210
well over
1000 a year.
That's pretty, pretty Bill: damn

931
00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:14,415
impressive.
I've done
about 600 plus this

932
00:49:14,415 --> 00:49:18,123
year already, and yeah, man, and
I
took three months off last

933
00:49:18,123 --> 00:49:20,264
year too.
So it's, but it's all about


934
00:49:20,272 --> 00:49:23,012
having the system you guys talk
about all the time, so I love


935
00:49:23,020 --> 00:49:25,400
the show, because you are the
pros with the receipts, that's


936
00:49:25,408 --> 00:49:29,890
what I like Marc Ronick: to see.
Yeah, very
cool.

937
00:49:29,890 --> 00:49:32,440
Yeah, so awesome.
Thank you for sharing those

938
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,729
wins.

We're gonna go to another member

939
00:49:35,059 --> 00:49:38,089
from the audience who's just

joined us on stage, that's Greg.

940
00:49:38,149 --> 00:49:40,959
Greg, I'm glad I remember your

name, because sometimes I see

941
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:44,259
leaping bear as your handle, and

I forget, but I think I got it

942
00:49:44,259 --> 00:49:47,636
this time, and yeah, please

share a win with Greg: us.

943
00:49:47,636 --> 00:49:50,914
Hell, I have to laugh
at that.
Thank you for remembering my

944
00:49:50,914 --> 00:49:51,748
name.
Sure.

945
00:49:51,748 --> 00:49:54,250
Good
morning.
How are you, Billy?

946
00:49:54,430 --> 00:49:57,370
I've got to say, real quick,

that was profound and

947
00:49:57,460 --> 00:49:59,496
philosophical and amazing about.



948
00:49:59,504 --> 00:50:03,680
Sharing your life and letting
others live through it.

949
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,100
I mean,
that was a while.
What I'm grateful for is life

950
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:13,290
itself, and
by that I mean I
had a fall off the concrete

951
00:50:13,290 --> 00:50:17,839
steps and fell hit
my head on
concrete over again, had

952
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:22,034
multiple seizures, went to
the
ER, went to the hospital, and

953
00:50:22,034 --> 00:50:24,671
the reason I'm saying life
is
I'm still here.

954
00:50:24,671 --> 00:50:28,949
It gets been so much worse, so
much worse,
and I'm still

955
00:50:28,949 --> 00:50:32,350
here, and up and ticking and
ugly as ever.

956
00:50:32,350 --> 00:50:34,655
Wow.
Marc Ronick: Well, I'm glad


957
00:50:34,663 --> 00:50:37,889
you're doing okay.
That is, that sounds intense and

958
00:50:37,889 --> 00:50:42,169
scary, and
I'm always
impressed by people like you who

959
00:50:42,169 --> 00:50:47,130
just manage to find
a way to
find the positive in things, and

960
00:50:47,130 --> 00:50:50,680
I think it's you are
an
inspiration, and I'm grateful

961
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:53,560
that you've shared that, because

I think a lot of us in a

962
00:50:53,620 --> 00:50:56,980
situation like you're sharing,

at least temporarily, will feel

963
00:50:57,070 --> 00:51:00,400
like we're given up, we can't do

anything, it's everything,

964
00:51:01,210 --> 00:51:03,750
everything feels lousy, and

we're just going to kind of

965
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,230
wallow in it, and I appreciate

you just kind of stepping back,

966
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,350
being grateful that you got

through this injury, you're

967
00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:12,600
probably still getting through

it, but you got through it, and

968
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:15,440
you're just appreciating life,

and so thank you for that.

969
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:16,860
Thank you for bringing that
today.

970
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:21,501
Greg: Thank you, Mark.
I'm
heading back to the Rose

971
00:51:21,501 --> 00:51:23,732
Garden, Marc Ronick: okay.
All right.


972
00:51:23,740 --> 00:51:27,764
Well, take care of yourself too,
and be careful on those steps


973
00:51:27,772 --> 00:51:30,182
moving forward.
All right, let's go to the rest

974
00:51:30,182 --> 00:51:32,360
of the crew.

We've got four of us to go here.

975
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,144
Well, five, I guess, if you

count me.

976
00:51:34,144 --> 00:51:37,475
So, let's do a rapid fire here.
I'm going to hand it
to Ralph.

977
00:51:37,475 --> 00:51:40,912
Ralph, when you're done, pass it
to BC, and then
we'll pass it

978
00:51:40,912 --> 00:51:43,810
to Sid, so go ahead, Ralph.
Ralph Estep Jr: I will do that.

979
00:51:43,810 --> 00:51:44,860

My win of the week is week

980
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:47,830
number three of the live show

today at 1o'clock As Billy

981
00:51:47,950 --> 00:51:49,990
talked about, he used the word

Dave Ramsey.

982
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:52,950
Well, come over and check me out
too, because I'm
helping

983
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:56,176
people figure out how to manage
their finances in a
better

984
00:51:56,176 --> 00:51:58,498
way.
It's on Clubhouse, it's on all

985
00:51:58,498 --> 00:52:01,671
the streaming
platforms, and I
just answer questions that help

986
00:52:01,671 --> 00:52:04,970
people make
a go of their
money, because right now it's a

987
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:07,764
tough economic
time, and I've
got some great things on the

988
00:52:07,764 --> 00:52:09,360
show today that
I'm going to
be talking about.

989
00:52:09,390 --> 00:52:11,790
So, come and join me there.
I
would greatly appreciate it.

990
00:52:11,790 --> 00:52:14,112
Now, BC, you're up.
BC Babbles: Okay.

991
00:52:14,112 --> 00:52:16,020
Two quick
ones.
I just learned that my podcast,

992
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:18,750
Hafenish Nation, has
surpassed
1.2 1000 downloads.

993
00:52:18,750 --> 00:52:22,070
I did not realize it was nice.

Also, I'm not going to be here

994
00:52:22,070 --> 00:52:24,680
on Tuesday, but that's because I

am, and Mark and I have both

995
00:52:24,830 --> 00:52:27,443
nerded out about how much we

love summits on the show.

996
00:52:27,443 --> 00:52:30,604
I'm going to be attending to see
the
South Capitol conference

997
00:52:30,604 --> 00:52:32,789
next week, Monday and Tuesday,
so I'm
super excited about

998
00:52:32,789 --> 00:52:34,844
that.
Marc Ronick: Awesome, enjoy


999
00:52:34,852 --> 00:52:36,224
that.
And thank you, BC.

1000
00:52:36,224 --> 00:52:40,410
Let's go to Sid.
Sid Meadows: So have a


1001
00:52:40,418 --> 00:52:43,618
premonition win, right?
But I'm actually going to get to

1002
00:52:43,618 --> 00:52:46,132
London
tonight, so I'm
cheering, I'm cheering that on,

1003
00:52:46,132 --> 00:52:49,326
but you know,
as I was
reflecting on all the events of

1004
00:52:49,326 --> 00:52:53,375
yesterday, I mean, it
was,
there were a lot of people like

1005
00:52:53,375 --> 00:52:56,290
really mad, yelling at the

gate agent, you guys have all

1006
00:52:56,410 --> 00:52:59,680
seen that, right, and as I was

reflecting on it, you know,

1007
00:52:59,950 --> 00:53:02,894
probably three to four years ago

I would have been in that mix,

1008
00:53:02,894 --> 00:53:05,476
I would have been pissed, I
would
have been posting about

1009
00:53:05,476 --> 00:53:08,518
it, I would have been up in
there, you
know.

1010
00:53:08,518 --> 00:53:11,735
And so my win is just
acknowledging my growth as a


1011
00:53:11,743 --> 00:53:15,090
person, my growth as a human,
that I've moved past that stage

1012
00:53:15,090 --> 00:53:17,845
of my life, because I think
everybody has stages of their


1013
00:53:17,853 --> 00:53:21,449
life, and I've moved past that
stage of my life, and I can see

1014
00:53:21,449 --> 00:53:25,060
the joy, I can see the
gratitude in the moment, and it

1015
00:53:25,060 --> 00:53:28,740
totally
impacts the way that I
respond to things, the way I

1016
00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:32,384
show up,
the way I respond to
people, and so I'm very.. that's

1017
00:53:32,384 --> 00:53:37,184
a real win
to be able to, you
know, for me to be able to

1018
00:53:37,184 --> 00:53:41,012
recognize my
growth as a
person and how far I've come

1019
00:53:41,012 --> 00:53:43,735
through all the work
that I've
done, because I've done the work

1020
00:53:43,735 --> 00:53:45,940
right to be a
better person.
I've done the work, I've

1021
00:53:45,940 --> 00:53:49,039
committed to that to
myself.
So that's really the win, having

1022
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:51,430
gone through
everything I did
in the last 12 hours.

1023
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:54,622
Marc Ronick: Thank you, Sid.

Appreciate that.

1024
00:53:54,622 --> 00:53:57,928
Congratulations to you.
And yes, we are, we are
also

1025
00:53:57,928 --> 00:54:01,504
celebrating that you're in
London, and that you get there


1026
00:54:01,512 --> 00:54:04,560
safely as well.
Thank you, and I appreciate your

1027
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,960
second win as
well.
I just got to keep things

1028
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,830
moving, so please forgive me for

not going further into that,

1029
00:54:09,830 --> 00:54:12,564
but please know I do appreciate
your
wins.

1030
00:54:12,564 --> 00:54:16,290
And for me, I would say one big
win so far.

1031
00:54:16,290 --> 00:54:19,542
I don't even
want to size it,
but I'll just say one exciting

1032
00:54:19,542 --> 00:54:25,528
win for me, is
yesterday I had
a really good phone call with a

1033
00:54:25,528 --> 00:54:31,474
sales rep for
a particular
potential sponsor for Empowered

1034
00:54:31,474 --> 00:54:36,380
Podcasting three
one that I
think has a decent amount of

1035
00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:40,716
money to spend and
excited to
support communities like ours,

1036
00:54:40,716 --> 00:54:44,275
so it's a very.. it
was a very
positive conversation, and we're

1037
00:54:44,275 --> 00:54:47,854
going to
have a follow-up on
Thursday to do the official

1038
00:54:47,854 --> 00:54:50,530
pitch, and we'll
see how that
goes from there.

1039
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:53,608
But that is definitely a win.
My
second win is more of a

1040
00:54:53,608 --> 00:54:56,585
personal one.
Just proud of myself for
how..

1041
00:54:56,585 --> 00:54:59,977
hold on.. sorry.. for how I am
showing.

1042
00:54:59,977 --> 00:55:03,417
Up for my wife
these days, my
wife is dealing with some health

1043
00:55:03,417 --> 00:55:07,484
issues, and
don't worry,
nothing, you know, nothing

1044
00:55:07,484 --> 00:55:11,190
that's too severe, this

nothing life-threatening was the

1045
00:55:11,310 --> 00:55:15,990
word I'm looking for, but, but

definitely several ailments that

1046
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:19,530
she's dealing with, and she's

needed a lot of help, and I'm

1047
00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:22,100
just proud of myself for the way

that I've stepped up, and not

1048
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,820
only stepped up, but done so, so

willingly, not begrudgingly.

1049
00:55:27,020 --> 00:55:29,202
It's hard to take care of my

wife sometimes.

1050
00:55:29,202 --> 00:55:33,437
What I mean by that is that
she's a very
self-sufficient,

1051
00:55:33,437 --> 00:55:36,875
independent woman, and she's
also a woman
that likes things

1052
00:55:36,875 --> 00:55:41,650
done a very particular way, and
it's hard
sometimes to serve

1053
00:55:41,650 --> 00:55:45,679
her, and this has given me a
real opportunity
to do that,

1054
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:49,639
so unfortunately at her expense,
but at the same
time it's it's

1055
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:53,220
allowed me to really show up for
her when I've
really wanted to

1056
00:55:53,220 --> 00:55:56,872
show up for her more than I
have, because it's
so

1057
00:55:56,872 --> 00:55:59,866
challenging too sometimes, but
yeah, it's just been it's
been

1058
00:55:59,866 --> 00:56:03,624
nice to be there for her, and to
show her that she's got


1059
00:56:03,632 --> 00:56:07,320
someone who's got her back.
So, those are my two wins for

1060
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,488
this
past week.
And we are back on Monday, as

1061
00:56:10,488 --> 00:56:13,192
Ralph teased.
We'll
get back to our Money

1062
00:56:13,192 --> 00:56:17,275
Monday segment, and you know all
about
that.

1063
00:56:17,275 --> 00:56:21,535
So, listen, if this show has
been a help to you,
supportive

1064
00:56:21,535 --> 00:56:24,194
to you in any way, shape, or
form.

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Would you buy us
a coffee?
Go to Podcasting Morning

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show.com/support and
consider
any kind of support financially

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00:56:32,803 --> 00:56:37,658
that you're
comfortable with
to help keep this show going, so

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that I
genuinely take that
support, financial support.

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I take that
and I put that
right back into what we're doing

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here.
That is
not something that I'm

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00:56:47,110 --> 00:56:50,234
personally pocketing.
It's
something that helps this

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show keep going.
So, consider that if
you don't

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mind.
And join us on Monday.

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Until then, make it a
great
weekend, everybody.

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Take care.