507. AI Editing and the Future of Podcasting

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Marc Ronick: Foreign Good
morning podcasters.

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Today
is Thursday, April 30,
2026, and today, podcast editing

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is more
than cutting mistakes,
so we're exploring where AI can

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help,
where editing falls
short, and why connection still

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matters
more than perfection.
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Good morning again.
Podcasting
morning chat.

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Thank you so much for being
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I am your host,
Mark Ronick,
and currently on stage with me.

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We have my co
hosts, Nick
Nalback, DR Fay, Ralph Estep,

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Matt Bliss, Sid
Meadows and
Alex Ballish.

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And also from the audience,
Tide,
aka Knikki, is here with

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us on stage, and if you are
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you are more than welcome to be
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here on stage.
Or if you want to do the
chat

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thing, that's okay too.
We prefer to hear your voice.

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But
if that's how you want to
participate, all good.

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And of
course, that goes for
all of you on the video

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streaming as well.

Before we dig into today's

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topic, we have Nick for the

first half hour, so I'm going to

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try to do a little bit of

housekeeping as quickly as I

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can, because I want to start

with Nick.

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But first a reminder that we're
still doing podcast


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evaluations, and that series
returns Thursday, May 7, and


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next week, we're reviewing a
podcast by two community


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members, and I know Sid knows
them fairly well.

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He met them at
empowered
podcasting last year.

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Clancy and Rick Denton their

podcast the loud quiet.

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Rick and Clancy are a married
couple
navigating the

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transition into empty nest life
after raising
two kids who are

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now college aged, they're
exploring what's
happens.

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Let me say that again, they're
exploring what happens
when

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the house gets quieter, the
routines shift and a new phase


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of marriage and parenting
begins.

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The show uses honest, co

hosted conversation, humor,

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reflection and occasional

disagreement to explore the

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emotional and practical

realities of empty nest living.

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And a little side note, they

used to be a consulting client

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of mine.
They're currently done
with

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their consulting package.
That's the only reason why.

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It's
not like they fired me or
anything.

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And they've had a lot
of good
things to say about us working

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together, and they are
now
doing lots of other things,

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besides a podcast, including a

book that they just released

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with the same name, really proud

of what they've done, and want

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to give them an honest breakdown

by all of you, I've given some

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of my feedback to them.
Clearly,
they hired me for

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that, but we want, they wanted
to submit this
and get the

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opinions of this fine crew.
So you can hear that
episode,

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and I'm giving the crew a little
advance notice here as
well.

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I'll send you all the official
documentation, but you
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Okay, let's dig in to
today's
topic.

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Now yesterday, I teased it a
little bit that we
talk about

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editing today, and I want to
start with the AI side
of it,

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because it's really moving fast.
I saw a video
yesterday and I

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shared it with Nick called how I
fully
automated my video

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editing with Claude code.
And it got me
thinking about

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what happens when editing
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process and more of a prompt
driven workflow.

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And I got
really curious,
because, look, we know that

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there are AI
editors out
there, descript.

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Does it Riverside?
My.

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My
preferred choice, Riverside
has a lot of AI tools.

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There are
also Short Form
Editing tools like Opus clips

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and minvo et
cetera.
So we know that stuff exists.

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I'm not saying it
doesn't, but
what I am saying is that this

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video was claiming
that their
video was completely edited, the

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one that we actually
watched
Nick, and I completely edited by

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Claude.
And so I had
to go to Nick and

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say, Nick, what?
What is this?

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And is this
really true?
Can this actually happen?

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So, Nick, let's start
there
for people who haven't seen this

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video or this type of
workflow
before, most likely, most of us

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haven't seen this
workflow
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What is AI editing with Claude
actually
mean Nick Hey, Nick:

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good morning, everybody Marc
Ronick: morning.

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Nick: So AI actually editing.

What that means?

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So AI itself.
I'm going to kind of lead into


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the whole discussion here.
Ai itself isn't doing the

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editing.

AI is essentially an

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orchestrator, if you will.
And
this is something that you

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need to think about with.
Anything
that you want AI to

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do, aside from generating text
or images,
if you're using

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chat, GPT or Gemini or whatever,
AI is
basically looking at a

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playbook.
It's got this set of tools, this

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set of guides that it can
access.

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And when you ask it a

question, it's going to that

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playbook and saying, okay, based

on this question, is anything

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in this playbook match up to
where
I can follow it?

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And that's what AI is
essentially doing is
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giving AI a playbook to say,
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tools that you can use.
Here's how you actually use

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them.
When
I ask you to edit a

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video, it's going to that
playbook and
saying, okay,

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here are the list of things that
I can actually do
with that

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video, and it's following those
instructions.

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Marc Ronick: Yeah, let me so,

because you started by saying,

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AI isn't actually doing the

editing, but it kind of is

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right, like you just have to

give it the tools, much like if

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you hired an editor, let's say

you brought an editor in house,

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and they come to your office or
your home space, and you're

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going to give them those Tools,
potentially, right?

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Like, here is Adobe tools.
Here are final
here's Final

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Cut Pro.
Go to it, right?

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So it's kind of the same,
I
think, right?

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You're doing that just with AI,
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and I guess specifically with,
like, the video that we're


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watching, where Claude was kind
of being that orchestrator


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there, it's accessing a specific
tool, like it's accessing its


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own version of Adobe, which is a
it's a legitimate company.

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It's
a legitimate operation
that handles video editing, and

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really a lot of AI tools are
connected into it, and you're


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basically wiring up Claude to
say, hey, here's that tool that

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you have access to.
Now go do the thing that I want

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you to do
with the video.
In a way, it's editing, but it's

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more like
offloading the
editing to that tool, if you

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will.
And it's just
it knows how to

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explain this in a way that makes
sense, but
isn't like too

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technical either.
So I got everything all


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connected up, like what they
shared in this video, like, hey,

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Claude, you have access to
this tool.

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And then I said, Hey, go
add
captions to this video.

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Claude is going back to that

playbook and saying, Okay, how

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do I add captions or subtitles

into this video?

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And there are specific
instructions for this
is what

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you need to do.
These are the commands you need

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to
run.
These are steps that you need to

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take to actually add
those
captions.

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And then Claude runs those
specific sets of
commands on

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that platform.
And then the platform itself is

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generating the captions,
placing them on the screen or

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the video.

And then Claude takes it back

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and says, Okay, done, like I

said, orchestrator before.

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It's essentially calling to a
tool or
calling to another

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quote, unquote agent and saying,
Hey,
go do this for me.

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Here's here's what you need to
do.

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Here's how
you do it.
Go do it for me.

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Marc Ronick: Okay, so then let's

take this a step further to

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help people connect with it even

more.

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What's the difference between
using AI inside of a
tool like

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descript or Riverside, versus
using what you're
explaining

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to us Claude code to control a
larger editing
workflow.

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Nick: So I would say, with

something like descript or

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Riverside, like there's a hard

set of tools and rules that

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those platforms have to follow

only you're you're stuck within

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the limitations of that

platform, whatever like

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Riverside allows you to do, and
how Riverside allows you to do

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it is like rigid.
You don't have
any flexibility

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there with doing something
inside Claude.

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You
have essentially complete
control over every aspect of.


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That, and it's all about kind of
defining and setting up that


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playbook that I mentioned
earlier with your set of rules.

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So in like the captions example,

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like Riverside has presets

already built in, so you just go

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in and you click the preset that

you want for your subtitles,

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and then it pops them all in
there, Marc Ronick: sure, Nick:

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but you're limited to the

options that Riverside gives

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you, yeah, you can update fonts
and you can do the stuff, but

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you're pretty much stuck with

whatever they provide pink cloud

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code.
You have access to that
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that says, Hey, these are the
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These are the animation presets
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And
you have that ability then
to say, Okay, no, I want you to

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stick to my brand colors.
These are the colors I want you

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to
stick to.
I want you to use these specific

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animations.
And
you can kind of wire that

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up however you want it to be.
And
it might sound

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complicated, but it's as simple
as going into
Claude and

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saying, hey, when we do
captions, this is how I want


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you to do it.
So you need to update your

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playbook, you need
to update
your instructions to specify.

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These are what we want
to use,
Marc Ronick: right?

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So it can be
much more
detailed and customized if

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you're going to do
your
editing with something like

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Claude code instead 100% Yeah,
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the real power behind this.
Because, I mean, it's hard to


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fathom, but your imagination at
this point is kind of the


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limitation, Marc Ronick: yeah,
Nick: like, as deep as you want

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to go into it, as as deep as
you can go into it, like, it

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opens
up a pretty big world.
Marc Ronick: That statement


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about, you know, your
imagination is your only


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limitation.
I think that's how you put it.

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And I mean, that is
so true,
and I'm experiencing that now

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with AI specifically.

In other words, I'm noticing

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that I've got to push my

imagination further to really

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get more out of AI.
And I'm not
even talking

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specifically about Claude code
or AI editing, I'm
noticing

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that I really have to push the
limits of my
imagination,

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because I'm seeing how limited
it can be.

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And yeah,
so that's why, what
I'm trying to do is watch what

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other people
are doing.
How are they being creative,

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using these tools?
And
that's helping me.

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I'm getting there, but it's
still a bit of a
struggle, by

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the way, would somebody be open
to I mean, I
can do it, but

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I'm like somebody else to maybe
Nick you can,
since you used

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the term tide is just put in the
chat here, what
is a preset?

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And I think that's a fair
question, right?

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Like we
got to consider that
we've got all different levels

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of
podcasters, level of
editors, we got to address some

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of those
things sometimes.
So that's actually probably that

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could
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I should have had that
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What is a preset?
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captioning or the subtitle
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come into Riverside, usually, if
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subtitles, they're going to give
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options there are, maybe,
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onto the screen, and maybe it's
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your limitation.
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driven by these tools and
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Where you click a
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past that.
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we're seeing what the tools can
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then we're basically saying,
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so I probably can't do that
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get a master's degree
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That's not the case.

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we've been so trained to

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This is what's possible, and
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can't do anything beyond that.
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becomes a little difficult.
But like you said, I do the same

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I watch videos, and I see how

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other people are creatively

using tools, and it's like, holy

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crap.
Like, we can do that,
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Like, that's nuts.
Marc Ronick: So I think, by the

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way, I know several people on
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I'm going to get to all of you
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I want to get to tide
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about what our pre.

That's and I saw she raised her

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So Todd, did you have a
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Nikki: Oh yeah, I thank you for

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the explanation.
Nick, that's amazing, and it

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really did help
me to
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And I was just going to provide
a quick
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I've never not seen it work, not
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people's lives who applied it.
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this, if somebody has said
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something, or you see a new
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your intuition says, Hey, I
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I know
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that's giving you the feeling of

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success, but
take a moment to
pause, and sometimes I'll if I'm

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listening
to you guys talk,
and one of you guys said

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something that is
ruminating
within me, I will turn the

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so I'm
not hearing you guys anymore,

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and I'll take however
long.
It takes five minutes, 10

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about what you have said and let

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And then
it's inevitable.

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It's inevitable that an idea or
something will
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then I can take it a little
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So I just wanted to say Marc
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looking for all sorts of ways
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in a different way, get my
imagination flowing.

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I love that
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I'm going to take that on

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another one that I've
just
recently learned.

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groundbreaking, but it was new

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to me.
Another way I learned to
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get your creative juices flowing
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about anything.
Let me explain.

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What I saw in this
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come up with a
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Okay, so that's your first

starting point.

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For example, 10 different
podcasts I could make
another

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one would be 10 different ways I
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peanut butter

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and jelly sandwich, right?
Like literally
lists about

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anything.
And the idea isn't to try to

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come up
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The idea is just to come up with

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as many
ideas as you can.
And the purpose of this, it's

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training
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creative.

It's an exercise, literally,

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like going to the gym.
It's
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It's building that muscle in
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thinking, I've got to get an

idea.

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I've got a I've got creators
block right now, and I
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know what to do.
The idea here is to play, come

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up with
random things, random
ideas, save those lists and come

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back
to them, because you
might find something at some

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point that
you're like, hey,
this is something that actually

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could be
something but, but
the whole purpose is not to find

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the best
ideas.
It's to train your brain to come

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up with ideas whenever
you
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So I'm just now starting to play
with that as
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So I like where this
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Thank
you for that, Nikki,
appreciate it, and I'm going to

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go to Matt.

Matt, I know you wanted to chime

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in earlier, so it may.
I don't
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still or not?
Yeah, see the melting
emoji?

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something more pressing, or at
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Go for
it.
BC.

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BC Babbles: Yeah, so going back
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apologies, like a bit of a cold
this morning, no problem.

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dancing around without

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strictly saying it is that
presets are
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So going back to captions on a
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preset for captions, it may give
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of fonts, colors, transitions
and font style, but
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have to accept that preset
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transition style if
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things that look
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own vibe, our own brand, our

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style
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Thank you.
BC, yeah, I think that's an

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important point when
we're
talking about presets and trying

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to understand them
better.
So thank you for that.

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And I know I'm going to go to

you in a minute, Matt, but I

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also know we're short on time

with Nick.

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And I wanted to ask Nick, going
back to this idea of
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quote, unquote, doing the
editing for you.

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Nick, what kind
of editing
tasks should AI probably handle

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right now?
Like,
what is it best for at

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this point?
And, yeah, have you made
any

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attempts yourself?
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right now where the limitations
kind of takes.

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In is AI, or at
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Claude code space.

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Example, what we're talking

about the tools that it has

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access to.
It can't cut your
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I think that's where your

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descript and your
Riverside,
like those types of tools still

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very much are
beneficial to
you, but when it comes to adding

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elements to the
screen, like
captions or subtitles, adding B

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roll images,
transition,
sounds like those types of

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things, Claude.
And
really we're talking

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Claude, but really all these AI
tools will
have access to the

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skill sets to do those types of
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where I was, I mentioned it
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messing with this yesterday,
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I connected AI into that editing

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tool and basically gave it a
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form video.
And said, Okay, I want you to

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add captions to
this.
And it went through all of that

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platform.
The platform is
called

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remotion, for anyone who's
interested and wants to
look

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at it.
It's it's free to access.

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But I basically told it,
I
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want you to do this for me.

And it went through the entire

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documentation of that platform,
got a good understanding of it,

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followed the instructions on how

to add captions into it, added

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the captions, and then exported
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it.
And it wasn't perfect, but I


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didn't give it any kind of
strict guidelines.

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I Marc Ronick: just said, add

captions.

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Yeah.
So, Nick: yeah.

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So now, at this
point, like
now that I see that it works,

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and I see how it
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I can go back to AI and say,

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Okay, we need to set strict

guidelines for how I want you to

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do captions on a vertical,

formatted video.

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We can't have the captions
extend beyond this
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We need to adjust the font size
to be this.

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We need to
make the colors
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This is how I want them to
animate in.


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And then AI is essentially going
to go back to those instructions

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and rewrite them to say, okay,
when we generate captions, this

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So then the next time, when I


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upload the next video and say,
add captions to this, it's going

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to go to that list of
instructions and say, Okay, how

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are we doing this?
We need this font, we need this

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size, we need
this width.
Here's everything we need to do,

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and it's going to
all feed it
to re motion.

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And remotion is going to add
those
captions back into the

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tool.
And like I said, that can be B

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roll
that you want to add in.
That could be images

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transitions.
It
can be pretty much anything

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that you want it to be, except
for
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video up Marc Ronick: Cool.
All right,
yeah, thank you,

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Nick.
Appreciate that, and appreciate

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you spending a little time on
this.

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I know you have to jet
here in
a couple minutes, so thank you

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for watching the
video,
testing out what it was actually

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suggesting it does, and

reporting back here to us.

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Appreciate you, Nick, yeah, go

ahead, Nick: I was gonna say

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this.

Playing with this stuff has kind

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of given me a little bit of

motivation just to think about

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starting to do some content.
So
I might be coming out with

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a video talking a little bit
about
this and kind of showing

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because it's it is hard to
explain, Marc Ronick: yeah,

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without Nick: actually seeing
what's
going on.

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So I might end up recording a
video and doing
something kind

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of showing what it all looks
like in real life,
as opposed

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to just everyone imagining what
it looks Marc Ronick: like.

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Yeah, and coming soon, I started

a conversation offline with

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Nick, with Matt bliss here on

stage and with Junaid, who's in

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the audience, to do a special

episode of podcasting, morning

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show, right?
Because we're
changing the

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name next week, all about
really, all the different


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areas of AI in podcasting.
And I'm emphasizing the word in

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podcasting right, because it is
infiltrating our world as it is

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everyone else's world.
And I think it's important for

435
00:23:58,739 --> 00:24:01,643
us to
have some deep
conversations around what that

436
00:24:01,643 --> 00:24:05,132
actually means
today and what
that might mean down the road.

437
00:24:05,132 --> 00:24:08,561
So stay tuned for
that more to
come on that discussion.

438
00:24:08,561 --> 00:24:12,215
Thank you.
And a
real quick reminder

439
00:24:12,215 --> 00:24:16,667
before we continue today's
conversation,
we have more to

440
00:24:16,667 --> 00:24:19,034
discuss.
First, I wanted to remind you

441
00:24:19,034 --> 00:24:22,390
about our
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Do you want to be featured on

442
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Submit a 62nd clip about your

443
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444
00:24:28,699 --> 00:24:31,509
I'll explain why I'm saying that
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minute, something that

445
00:24:31,509 --> 00:24:34,174
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446
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If we select it, we'll play your
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447
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448
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449
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450
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So submit your clip now at


451
00:24:53,825 --> 00:24:56,343
podcasting morning
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452
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still work when we officially
changed the name.

453
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Game next
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454
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show.com/spotlight by the way,
this was Ralph's little brain


455
00:25:06,787 --> 00:25:08,639
child.
Ralph, anything else I'm

456
00:25:08,639 --> 00:25:10,019
missing?
Or are we good here?

457
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,440
Ralph Estep Jr.: No, I think

we're good.

458
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,852
We just want to get as many
submissions as we can so
we

459
00:25:13,852 --> 00:25:16,260
can show your show to all of our
audience people.

460
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,720
Marc Ronick: Yeah, ideally we

get 60 seconds or less.

461
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,718
Nikki: Thank you.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, 60 seconds or

462
00:25:22,718 --> 00:25:26,434

less, and what I meant by
about your podcast is we felt

463
00:25:26,434 --> 00:25:30,063
like
just playing a random
clip from the middle of an

464
00:25:30,063 --> 00:25:33,119
episode
somewhere might not
give us the context that we need

465
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,394
to really
put you in the
spotlight.

466
00:25:35,394 --> 00:25:39,439
So we're asking for more or
less,
like a voiceover, like a

467
00:25:39,439 --> 00:25:44,199
commercial, an ad by you about

your podcast, and ideally, we're

468
00:25:44,199 --> 00:25:45,915
hoping to get as a ton of these.



469
00:25:45,923 --> 00:25:48,969
We want to get flooded with
these, because our our idea is


470
00:25:48,977 --> 00:25:52,660
that if we get enough, we'll
play one every day, Ralph Estep

471
00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:54,100
Jr.: and it can be
audio or
video.

472
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:56,440
So if you've got a video that
you want to send
in, we're

473
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,976
going to make that work too.
Marc Ronick: Yep, absolutely.

474
00:25:58,976 --> 00:26:02,610
So
come to podcasting, morning
chat.com/spotlight and submit


475
00:26:02,618 --> 00:26:06,042
your podcast.
It's free of charge.

476
00:26:06,042 --> 00:26:08,858
We're not going to make
you
pay anything for it.

477
00:26:08,858 --> 00:26:11,770
This is just a way of giving
back to our
community and

478
00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:14,472
putting community members, quite
literally in the
spotlight.

479
00:26:14,472 --> 00:26:19,364
So check that out.
Okay, now let's get back to this

480
00:26:19,364 --> 00:26:22,092

conversation.
We can start to wrap up the AI

481
00:26:22,092 --> 00:26:25,027
side of things,
but I don't
think, I don't feel like we've

482
00:26:25,027 --> 00:26:27,260
quite wrapped it up
yet.
Ralph, I know you had a

483
00:26:27,260 --> 00:26:29,447
question.
Go for it, or maybe a
comment.

484
00:26:29,447 --> 00:26:31,800
Go Ralph Estep Jr.: for I had
two
comments.

485
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,432
Comment number one is, AI is
good as it can be in doing


486
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,838
editing is never going to listen
to your show as a human being.


487
00:26:38,846 --> 00:26:41,872
So I don't think we're ever
going to get to a place where


488
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,420
there won't be a place for
editors.

489
00:26:43,420 --> 00:26:45,940
So I think that's issue
number
one.

490
00:26:45,940 --> 00:26:49,840
Marc Ronick: And let me say to

that when it comes to AI over

491
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,560
these past few years, as it's

gotten stronger and stronger, I

492
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,115
feel like we can never say

never.

493
00:26:56,115 --> 00:27:00,112
I mean, you're right in the
sense that it's it Podcast.


494
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:04,290
I'm sorry, AI is never going to
listen with a human ear.

495
00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:07,517
I can't
argue that, but I do
think over time.

496
00:27:07,517 --> 00:27:10,080
And I mean, let's talk
about
just for a moment.

497
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,420
Remember when video AI video

creation just got started a few

498
00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:18,780
years ago, and there was the

infamous video of Will Smith

499
00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:21,237
eating spaghetti, right?
And he
looked apps.

500
00:27:21,237 --> 00:27:25,276
It looked like Will Smith, but
it was like a
realistic

501
00:27:25,276 --> 00:27:28,430
cartoon of Will Smith.
His mouth got real big and it


502
00:27:28,438 --> 00:27:31,070
didn't really it looked like he
was just shoveling in the


503
00:27:31,078 --> 00:27:33,260
spaghetti.
And if you do that again today

504
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:37,177
with the newer tools
today,
you almost can't tell if it's

505
00:27:37,177 --> 00:27:40,344
real or not, right?
So my
point is that the

506
00:27:40,344 --> 00:27:43,285
advancements are happening so
quickly and so
drastically

507
00:27:43,285 --> 00:27:47,834
that I feel like we can't ever
say never, because we
just

508
00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:51,160
don't know how advanced that
this technology is going to

509
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:53,150
Ralph Estep Jr.: get.
The other
thing I wanted to

510
00:27:53,150 --> 00:27:57,504
throw out there, sort of as a
curve ball,
is that I think AI

511
00:27:57,504 --> 00:28:00,672
is actually making us dumber.
And we talked
about

512
00:28:00,672 --> 00:28:03,150
innovation, we talked about
imagination, but I
honestly

513
00:28:03,150 --> 00:28:06,564
think AI is doing the opposite
of that, because I
think so

514
00:28:06,564 --> 00:28:10,134
many people use it as a crutch,
so many people use it as
a

515
00:28:10,134 --> 00:28:13,240
quick Hey, let me go find
something that I actually think

516
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,710
it's limiting us, and I think
we've got to be careful that,


517
00:28:16,718 --> 00:28:19,616
because I find myself in that
trap sometimes, rather than


518
00:28:19,624 --> 00:28:23,235
going and spending some time and
researching a topic, I'll just


519
00:28:23,243 --> 00:28:26,220
pop in the chat GPT and say,
give me the answer.

520
00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:28,075
Here's the
thing you need to
understand.

521
00:28:28,075 --> 00:28:31,924
In a lot of ways, AI is trying
to
make us all sound the same,

522
00:28:31,924 --> 00:28:33,468
and we have to be careful of
that.


523
00:28:33,476 --> 00:28:35,765
So I just want to throw that out
as a counterpoint.

524
00:28:35,765 --> 00:28:39,480
One of the
things about AI
that worries me is it builds in

525
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,450
a what I'll call
a cultural
bias, and that you have to toe

526
00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:45,480
the line with what
everyone
else thinks.

527
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,260
Because AI is not going to give
you stuff
that is

528
00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:51,990
countercultural or or is push
the limits at all.

529
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:55,144
It's
going to give you the
common, mediocre middle of the

530
00:28:55,144 --> 00:28:57,950
road.
And
if we just accept that, I

531
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:59,915
think we're actually going to
lose
creativity.

532
00:28:59,915 --> 00:29:02,636
And I just want to throw that
out there mark,
because I

533
00:29:02,636 --> 00:29:04,872
think it's easy to say, oh, and
I'm not disputing
anything

534
00:29:04,872 --> 00:29:07,716
you've said, By the way, I think
AI is a great tool.


535
00:29:07,724 --> 00:29:10,740
I use it every single day.
It has made systems better.

536
00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:14,740
It's
made my life easier, but
I also do believe that it's made

537
00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:18,470
us a
little dumber, and I
think that we need to be aware

538
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:21,986
of that and
not allow AI to
just take over our thoughts and

539
00:29:21,986 --> 00:29:24,440
take over our
imagination.
So thank you for letting me

540
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,932
share that, just
because, as I
sit here and listen to this, I'm

541
00:29:26,932 --> 00:29:28,955
like, yeah,
it's great, Marc
Ronick: yeah.

542
00:29:28,955 --> 00:29:33,124
And look, I
think that I agree
with you in many cases here, and

543
00:29:33,124 --> 00:29:37,560
I think
that that's because so
many people currently are using

544
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,603
AI
just to have it spit out an
answer.

545
00:29:40,603 --> 00:29:43,240
It asks, you know, we
ask it a
question, we give it a

546
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,148
direction, and it's a lot of

times.

547
00:29:45,148 --> 00:29:48,730
A lot of us are giving vague
direction, and it's
spitting

548
00:29:48,730 --> 00:29:52,028
out that mediocre response, and
a lot of people
are just

549
00:29:52,028 --> 00:29:54,155
copying and pasting.
And I think that's what's making

550
00:29:54,155 --> 00:29:56,260

to your point, that's what's
making us, quote, unquote


551
00:29:56,268 --> 00:29:58,284
dumber.
But I think it's the people that

552
00:29:58,284 --> 00:30:00,327
are more in tune
with how
this.

553
00:30:00,327 --> 00:30:03,873
This tool works, that they that
it might actually
make them

554
00:30:03,873 --> 00:30:08,020
smarter, because it's making us
think a lot more about
how

555
00:30:08,020 --> 00:30:11,706
we're asking for the
information, or how we're asking

556
00:30:11,706 --> 00:30:14,820

it to do that certain command,
right?

557
00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:18,720
We got to be really smart

about the way that we present it

558
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,008
to the AI.
So in some ways, I
think it

559
00:30:21,008 --> 00:30:24,562
can make us smarter.
But the problem is that we do


560
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:29,808
have seem to have a lazy society
and Ralph Estep Jr.: discussion

561
00:30:29,808 --> 00:30:32,924
about the state of man, which
is not for today's show, but you

562
00:30:32,924 --> 00:30:34,756

could have a large discussion
about that.

563
00:30:34,756 --> 00:30:37,520
But I still, I'll
push back on
that a little bit mark, though,

564
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,826
because as I
understand it,
and I'm by no means an expert,

565
00:30:40,826 --> 00:30:43,879
AI only has the
information
we've given it.

566
00:30:43,879 --> 00:30:47,920
So AI is only going to have the
information that it's been fed.

567
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:51,400
So how, in the end, does it

actually make us smarter if it

568
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,291
only has the information that

somebody else has fed it?

569
00:30:54,291 --> 00:30:58,480
Now maybe it does, because it

aggregates that information and

570
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,380
maybe it allows for people that
you wouldn't generally speak to

571
00:31:01,380 --> 00:31:03,580
I just worry about that.
Marc Ronick: Go ahead, Alex,


572
00:31:03,588 --> 00:31:05,185
it's Alex: not making us
smarter.

573
00:31:05,185 --> 00:31:07,140
It
never, never was intended
to do that.

574
00:31:07,140 --> 00:31:08,580
And you're right.
You're
absolutely right.

575
00:31:08,580 --> 00:31:11,420
Ralph, the problem is this, and
it's coming
back to

576
00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:13,545
podcasting.
If you don't know what the

577
00:31:13,545 --> 00:31:16,768
original basis of
what you're
doing, if you don't know the

578
00:31:16,768 --> 00:31:19,172
history of what it is
that
you're trying to do, then you

579
00:31:19,172 --> 00:31:22,527
don't know where it's going
to
go, and when it does something

580
00:31:22,527 --> 00:31:26,074
wrong, you won't
recognize it.
And that's the issue with

581
00:31:26,074 --> 00:31:29,194
editing and the
information,
garbage in, garbage out, theory.

582
00:31:29,194 --> 00:31:34,156
And that's a
slippery slope,
because once these AI algorithms

583
00:31:34,156 --> 00:31:40,030
start
saying, Hey, this is the
way a podcast is supposed to be

584
00:31:40,030 --> 00:31:44,137
edited, or whatever it is that
we're trying to do when it comes

585
00:31:44,137 --> 00:31:47,860

to podcasting, all of a sudden
now we're going to see a lot of

586
00:31:47,860 --> 00:31:50,299
cookie cutter and we've seen it
before, like you.

587
00:31:50,299 --> 00:31:54,456
We've talked
about this with
when you do reviews of our your

588
00:31:54,456 --> 00:31:57,866
show notes
and all this other
stuff, if it has certain

589
00:31:57,866 --> 00:31:59,912
keywords in that it
likes to
do.

590
00:31:59,912 --> 00:32:03,180
So that's where it really kind
of gets a slippery
slope.

591
00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:07,044
And when it comes to our editors
going to go away, yes,
they're

592
00:32:07,044 --> 00:32:09,916
going away, but they're not
going in the way, the sense
of

593
00:32:09,916 --> 00:32:11,659
it's just the job is going to
change.

594
00:32:11,659 --> 00:32:15,108
It's going to be more
like a
checker more than it is an

595
00:32:15,108 --> 00:32:16,848
actual editor.
I think
unfortunately.

596
00:32:16,848 --> 00:32:20,144
I mean, just we were talking
about this behind
the scenes,

597
00:32:20,144 --> 00:32:23,711
it's happening to Disney right
now, so that's a
scary thing.

598
00:32:23,711 --> 00:32:26,044
The people that made Marvel are
gone.

599
00:32:26,044 --> 00:32:29,762
And I know
this isn't a
podcast, but it's a creator

600
00:32:29,762 --> 00:32:32,534
issue.
Yeah, and whole
sectors are

601
00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:36,212
going to be eliminated, not just
jobs
sectors.

602
00:32:36,212 --> 00:32:41,204
And how are we going to as
podcasters, address this, I


603
00:32:41,212 --> 00:32:44,485
don't know.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, and a lot of

604
00:32:44,485 --> 00:32:48,810
companies are finding ways to
blend both both AI and human.


605
00:32:48,818 --> 00:32:52,575
There are companies out there
that their programmers that were

606
00:32:52,575 --> 00:32:57,380

used to, I should say, that
used to be doing the actual


607
00:32:57,388 --> 00:33:00,964
programming, are now simply
using AI to do the programming,

608
00:33:00,964 --> 00:33:03,756
and they're monitoring it.
They're prompting it and


609
00:33:03,764 --> 00:33:07,315
prompting it and prompting it so
they're finding this way of


610
00:33:07,323 --> 00:33:09,300
almost like humans are
babysitting the AI.

611
00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:12,872
It's still
not the same kind
of job, and maybe it won't be

612
00:33:12,872 --> 00:33:15,234
paid the same
way as it used
to be.

613
00:33:15,234 --> 00:33:18,864
But I do appreciate that some
companies
are finding ways to

614
00:33:18,864 --> 00:33:21,054
blend both together.
But it is a serious
problem.

615
00:33:21,054 --> 00:33:24,640
I am not trying to water down
the problem, because
I know it

616
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,920
is serious.
I'm going to go look this

617
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,972
conversation I
did want to, at
some point, get into more

618
00:33:29,972 --> 00:33:34,415
general discussion on
editing,
and we'll see if we have time to

619
00:33:34,415 --> 00:33:37,625
get to that,
because this has
been a juicy conversation, and I

620
00:33:37,625 --> 00:33:42,208
know Matt
has been drooling at
chiming in here, so I want to

621
00:33:42,208 --> 00:33:44,612
give him an
opportunity, and I
know other people are here on

622
00:33:44,612 --> 00:33:46,330
stage that
way.
Alex: Aren't we done with the


623
00:33:46,338 --> 00:33:51,675
show because we couldn't fit
Matt Damon, I mean Matt in, Marc

624
00:33:51,675 --> 00:33:54,700
Ronick: all right, so with

that, let's go to Matt bliss.

625
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:56,506
Good morning, Matt.
Thank you
for waiting

626
00:33:56,506 --> 00:33:58,309
patiently.
What did you want to add to all

627
00:33:58,309 --> 00:34:01,384
this?
Matt: I can feel the Veiled


628
00:34:01,392 --> 00:34:04,710
thoughts where Matt could easily
spend the next 22 minutes


629
00:34:04,718 --> 00:34:07,440
talking about all of these
things as I've been talking


630
00:34:07,448 --> 00:34:10,364
about, I've been making notes
for myself to prompt for when


631
00:34:10,373 --> 00:34:12,532
there's an appropriate time to
talk about the things.

632
00:34:12,532 --> 00:34:16,800
But I'm
going to leave it to
two things about AI stuff, the

633
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,485
Ralph
mentioning the idea that
we're starting to get dumber, or

634
00:34:21,485 --> 00:34:25,385
we're
like being lazy.
The term that's often used these

635
00:34:25,385 --> 00:34:29,469
days is
cognitive offloading,
because it's a phenomenon we see

636
00:34:29,469 --> 00:34:34,014
among
kids where they're doing
making the AI do stuff so that

637
00:34:34,014 --> 00:34:37,547
they
don't have to learn it.
The thinly veiled version of

638
00:34:37,547 --> 00:34:41,620
this we
see as an objection to
education systems is that

639
00:34:41,620 --> 00:34:43,520
schools aren't
teaching
critical thinking.

640
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,958
It's because this cognitive

offloading is happening.

641
00:34:45,958 --> 00:34:49,317
They're treating an LLM like
their
second brain.

642
00:34:49,317 --> 00:34:53,380
And I think that is a term that
people who are
concerned about

643
00:34:53,380 --> 00:34:57,060
this should keep in mind,
because cognitive
offloading

644
00:34:57,060 --> 00:35:01,456
the phrase if you don't use.
It, you lose it, and


645
00:35:01,464 --> 00:35:04,037
especially young people with
very plastic brains tired.

646
00:35:04,037 --> 00:35:07,376
You
might be getting pretty
close to thinking about what I'm

647
00:35:07,376 --> 00:35:09,873
talking
about here, or having
seen it, but it's cognitive

648
00:35:09,873 --> 00:35:12,360
offloading.

That's the term to look for when

649
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,540
you're seeking more information
about this stuff and not just

650
00:35:15,540 --> 00:35:19,860
trying to intuit for yourself.

But the other thing I'll say is

651
00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:24,500
that AI isn't going to regress

people to a mean of information,

652
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,932
because that's happening

already.

653
00:35:26,932 --> 00:35:31,220
We have certain smaller micro
bubbles of confirmation
and

654
00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:35,105
information in our small groups
on social media where
people

655
00:35:35,105 --> 00:35:38,320
have no idea what's going out on
outside that bubble.

656
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,695
It's
just that AI is a very
lazy place for humans to draw


657
00:35:42,703 --> 00:35:46,200
themselves to so that they can
cognitively offload and spend


658
00:35:46,208 --> 00:35:49,120
less energy to find out
information that they're happy


659
00:35:49,128 --> 00:35:52,420
with, instead of actually
getting a critical or forming an

660
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:56,284

opinion about the world.
But in terms of the AI idealism,

661
00:35:56,284 --> 00:36:00,255
I
think people Mark, I think
you're on the right track, but


662
00:36:00,263 --> 00:36:03,650
it is an optimistic view.
Generally, we'll opt for the


663
00:36:03,658 --> 00:36:06,610
lazy option if they can preserve
their energy.

664
00:36:06,610 --> 00:36:10,432
But I like the way
that you
describe it, because it's what

665
00:36:10,432 --> 00:36:13,427
we should be doing in
our
approach to AI, when you talk

666
00:36:13,427 --> 00:36:16,680
about imagination and

creativity, they might not be

667
00:36:16,740 --> 00:36:19,620
the most accurate words for what

you're doing, but it's what

668
00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:23,300
you're striving for and that's

how you use AI to augment your

669
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:27,560
process, as opposed to offload

it to somewhere else so you

670
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,340
don't have to worry about it.
I
think that podcasters,

671
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:34,172
particularly, they know they

have to do things.

672
00:36:34,172 --> 00:36:36,944
They don't have time to do those
things.


673
00:36:36,952 --> 00:36:41,108
They spread themselves too thin
and don't put the effort in.

674
00:36:41,108 --> 00:36:44,290
So
intention, deliberate work,
having that unveiled moment you

675
00:36:44,290 --> 00:36:48,160
talked about Mark, I think,
where you start to realize that

676
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,199
there's more to using llms than
just typing in what you want and

677
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:54,580

it's spitting it out.
You having to be more deliberate

678
00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:57,991
and more
creative with how you
prompt and ask it things.

679
00:36:57,991 --> 00:37:01,575
But with that
freedom comes
the need for you to be more

680
00:37:01,575 --> 00:37:04,329
specific and rigid
and
creative with the way that you

681
00:37:04,329 --> 00:37:07,072
prompt it.
So learning,
cognitive

682
00:37:07,072 --> 00:37:10,938
offloading, imagination,
intention,
optimism, all good

683
00:37:10,938 --> 00:37:13,710
things.
I think I kept that pretty

684
00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:16,692
short.
Marc Ronick: Hit it.

685
00:37:16,692 --> 00:37:20,400
Ralph, Jingle: epistemological,
anti
podian, multi factorial,

686
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,840
slightly Tasmanian, yeah,

hyperbolic, bureaucratic, but

687
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,749
dramatic, existential mate.
It's
all schematic,

688
00:37:27,749 --> 00:37:30,960
sesquipedalian, mildly
Australian, cynical,
critical,

689
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,630
still conversational,
obfuscation, discombobulation,


690
00:37:33,638 --> 00:37:37,820
big words, small patience for
the situation.

691
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:41,490
Marc Ronick: Mildly Matt:
Australian is absolutely
right

692
00:37:41,490 --> 00:37:43,660
there.
I don't think you hit Aussie

693
00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:46,180
close enough, but
I'll pay
that.

694
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,900
Marc Ronick: There's Matt's

little jingle we play sometimes.

695
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:53,020
And yeah, thank you, Matt.
I
really appreciate that big

696
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:55,720
breakdown, and I know we have

other people that want to chime

697
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:58,550
in as well.
So let me keep it
moving, if

698
00:37:58,550 --> 00:38:01,354
you don't mind.
And I'm going to go to Junaid,


699
00:38:01,362 --> 00:38:04,500
because I know he was chiming in
in the chat while you were


700
00:38:04,508 --> 00:38:07,002
sharing, so I feel like it's
appropriate to go to him first


701
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:09,750
and then, bc I know you've been
waiting patiently, so we'll go


702
00:38:09,758 --> 00:38:11,220
to you next.
Go ahead, Junaid.

703
00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:13,665
Good morning.
Junaid: Good morning.

704
00:38:13,665 --> 00:38:18,012
This is a
powerful topic, and
yes, we are heading in a

705
00:38:18,012 --> 00:38:22,664
direction where the
movie
Idiocracy kind of laid out, hey,

706
00:38:22,664 --> 00:38:25,520
people are getting
dumber
because of these systems in

707
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,040
place.
But the reason for
that is

708
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,520
because the education system has
been being watering
down.

709
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:37,520
There was a study out that since
the 70s, every generation
was

710
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,280
getting smarter, right?
Every generation was getting


711
00:38:41,288 --> 00:38:46,435
smarter until the 2010s
unfortunately, what happened was

712
00:38:46,435 --> 00:38:51,484

the arrival of technology in
classrooms, because all of us,


713
00:38:51,492 --> 00:38:57,340
we learned the from books, which
increased our reading level to a

714
00:38:57,340 --> 00:38:59,992

higher level.
The average American has a

715
00:38:59,992 --> 00:39:04,260
reading level
knowledge of six
year olds, so they cannot even

716
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:08,796
understand
books that explain
it clearly what's happening and

717
00:39:08,796 --> 00:39:13,152
what's
coming down the pike.
I listed four books in here,

718
00:39:13,152 --> 00:39:17,568
Fahrenheit
451, The Hunger
Games, the Henry's tale and

719
00:39:17,568 --> 00:39:23,465
George Orwell's
1984 talk
exactly where we already are in

720
00:39:23,465 --> 00:39:28,734
2020 600% written
out.
This is what's going to happen

721
00:39:28,734 --> 00:39:33,440
if we don't pay
attention.
And because the education system

722
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,266
has been going
downhill, we've
introduced technology which

723
00:39:37,266 --> 00:39:40,926
disconnected
the student from
the reader, from actually

724
00:39:40,926 --> 00:39:43,600
adhering to the
knowledge that
they're learning.

725
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,590
And now we have AI systems.
It's
so important that we need

726
00:39:48,590 --> 00:39:52,665
to go back to these books.
We need to
raise the level of

727
00:39:52,665 --> 00:39:55,055
education.
But how is that going to happen

728
00:39:55,055 --> 00:39:56,620
when funding is being pulled
off?

729
00:39:56,620 --> 00:39:59,020
So again, totally off.
You
know, it's on the tangent

730
00:39:59,020 --> 00:40:01,843
of what's actually.
Happening, and
what's where we

731
00:40:01,843 --> 00:40:06,056
actually can take is by
educating the people
around

732
00:40:06,056 --> 00:40:07,544
us.
Thank you.

733
00:40:07,544 --> 00:40:09,030
Yeah, Marc Ronick: thank you,
Junaid.


734
00:40:09,038 --> 00:40:11,400
And again, I'm just going to
keep this moving, because you


735
00:40:11,408 --> 00:40:14,310
all are making excellent points.
I don't need to comment on


736
00:40:14,318 --> 00:40:17,380
everyone, and I want to make
sure we hear from everyone.

737
00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:19,274
So
BC Thank you for waiting
patiently.

738
00:40:19,274 --> 00:40:21,020
What did you want to
add to
all this?

739
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,786
BC Babbles: Yeah, good.
I think
a big element we

740
00:40:23,786 --> 00:40:28,870
forget sometimes is that for a
long
time, fans of creators

741
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:33,566
and for talent have long
demanded that
those same

742
00:40:33,566 --> 00:40:37,266
people exist beyond the screen.
We've got
conventions, we've

743
00:40:37,266 --> 00:40:41,617
got concerts, we've got other
big events in
which we demand

744
00:40:41,617 --> 00:40:45,708
that in person interaction, and
when that
essential in person

745
00:40:45,708 --> 00:40:49,540
interaction can actually happen.
So I think
unless we're coming

746
00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:55,333
to a point where we as a people
are looking
to give up that in

747
00:40:55,333 --> 00:40:59,500
person opportunistic connection
completely, then I think that's

748
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:03,070
also a pretty big inhibitor for
what AI can do.

749
00:41:03,070 --> 00:41:07,440
I know mentioned a little while
ago that some of
the songs I

750
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,088
have on rotation for my Spotify,
I realized are AI
artists, but

751
00:41:11,088 --> 00:41:16,124
I can never go and meet those
artists, but I can go
and meet

752
00:41:16,124 --> 00:41:19,706
hailstorm, Evanescence, any of
these other real people
who

753
00:41:19,706 --> 00:41:22,580
create this incredible stuff.
So I think that's still a


754
00:41:22,588 --> 00:41:24,740
pretty big element to keep in
mind as well.

755
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,119
Marc Ronick: Wow.
I never would
have it wasn't

756
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,179
on my bingo card that hailstorm
would be
mentioned twice in a

757
00:41:30,179 --> 00:41:32,186
week on the podcasting morning
chat.

758
00:41:32,186 --> 00:41:34,598
But
here we are.
Thank you.

759
00:41:34,598 --> 00:41:37,430
VC, BC Babbles: here for Marc
Ronick: Ralph.

760
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:40,196
Did you want
to respond to any
of that, since he was answering

761
00:41:40,196 --> 00:41:41,664
your question, Ralph Estep Jr.:
yeah.

762
00:41:41,664 --> 00:41:43,000
And I
will just take a
counterpoint.

763
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,400
If I'm entertained, I don't

really care if I can meet the

764
00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:48,650
person in person, really.
And,
yeah, I mean, Marc

765
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:50,920
Ronick: look, I say it like

that either because I know some

766
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,060
people don't care, like for me,
this somebody entertains me a

767
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:58,480
lot, and I've, like, really

felt, feel this attachment to

768
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,190
them.
I do want to meet them,
but I

769
00:42:00,190 --> 00:42:02,264
know there are people like you
that Ralph Estep Jr.: don't I'll

770
00:42:02,264 --> 00:42:03,328
give
you a great example of
this.

771
00:42:03,328 --> 00:42:05,585
So Kenny Rogers was somebody I
like
to meet.

772
00:42:05,585 --> 00:42:08,541
Well, my dad ended up opening up
these stores called
Kenny

773
00:42:08,541 --> 00:42:10,862
Rogers, roasters, chicken.
So I got to meet Kenny Rogers.


774
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:14,136
Well, he was a dud in person,
like he was a total dud.

775
00:42:14,136 --> 00:42:17,532
I got
nothing from him.
So for me it was like big deal.

776
00:42:17,532 --> 00:42:20,494
Yes, I still
enjoyed his
music, but he was actually kind

777
00:42:20,494 --> 00:42:23,060
of a dud to me, so
that's all
I'm saying.

778
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,030
Marc Ronick: Interesting.
Now,
wait a minute, I just

779
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:28,280
have to pause here.
Wait, Alex, were you
gonna say

780
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,861
something?
Alex: No, I'll let you finish


781
00:42:29,869 --> 00:42:31,289
your thought.
All Marc Ronick: right, I was

782
00:42:31,289 --> 00:42:33,949
just
gonna say that.
Did you say your dad helped open

783
00:42:33,949 --> 00:42:37,204
those Kenny
Kenny Rogers?
Ralph Estep Jr.: My dad was a


784
00:42:37,212 --> 00:42:39,020
local franchisee.
He actually had six Kenny Rogers

785
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:41,210
roaster
stores at one point
when I was in college.

786
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:43,857
So it was great for
me in
college, because I got to eat

787
00:42:43,857 --> 00:42:45,756
for free.
Dude, that's
fantastic, but

788
00:42:45,756 --> 00:42:49,085
yeah, and it was interesting,
but my whole point
was, and

789
00:42:49,085 --> 00:42:52,490
going back to what BC said, what
I had said in the
chat was,

790
00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:55,471
are we getting to a point where
content will just be
created

791
00:42:55,471 --> 00:42:57,115
by bots?
Because there's a slippery slope

792
00:42:57,115 --> 00:42:59,311
here, because
we get to a
point where it's like, Well, I'm

793
00:42:59,311 --> 00:43:01,524
just gonna have
an idea.
I'll put it into my chat bot,

794
00:43:01,524 --> 00:43:04,450
and the chat can
create the
chat we can the chat can create

795
00:43:04,450 --> 00:43:06,410
the video, the chat
can create
the audio.

796
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:09,240
At what point do we as humans
become
useless?

797
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:11,280
Marc Ronick: No, I think that's
the big fear.

798
00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:13,860
Ralph Estep Jr.: And I'm not

trying to be a scare tactic guy,

799
00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:17,460
but at what point do we allow

the bots to just take over

800
00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:20,174
humanity and say, well, whatever

the bots say is what we're

801
00:43:20,174 --> 00:43:23,005
going to do so many people are
living
like that now, whatever

802
00:43:23,005 --> 00:43:26,404
their chat GBT says is truth.
They
don't care about talking

803
00:43:26,404 --> 00:43:29,312
to another human being.
I battle
this in my accounting

804
00:43:29,312 --> 00:43:30,992
practice.
Every day, people come in to me

805
00:43:30,992 --> 00:43:33,020
and they say, Ralph, but chat
GBT told me this.

806
00:43:33,020 --> 00:43:34,700
I'm like, chat
BT is full of
crap.

807
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:37,370
It doesn't make any sense in the
real
world, but that's what

808
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:39,382
chat GP told you.
But they're like,
Well, why

809
00:43:39,382 --> 00:43:43,075
would I pay you to do my taxes
when I can feed it into
the

810
00:43:43,075 --> 00:43:44,842
chat?
GPT, I'm like, Okay, well, go

811
00:43:44,842 --> 00:43:47,380
ahead and do that, and
for the
most part, it's probably

812
00:43:47,380 --> 00:43:51,340
correct, but if you got that

little nuance thing, it's not so

813
00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:53,250
that's what worries me.
Like,
just to be blunt this

814
00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:56,095
whole discussion, what worries
me is,
if we take this

815
00:43:56,095 --> 00:43:59,877
approach of, AI is great, Ai is
fantastic, okay,
but when do

816
00:43:59,877 --> 00:44:02,828
we lose our humanity?
Now I've said enough,
so I

817
00:44:02,828 --> 00:44:05,080
will peace out.
Ralph, Marc Ronick: all right,

818
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,692
Matt,
wants to reply.
Go ahead, Matt, Matt: what

819
00:44:07,692 --> 00:44:11,110
you're saying is
right, but
the description, like our

820
00:44:11,110 --> 00:44:12,855
approach to AI, needs nuance

as well.

821
00:44:12,855 --> 00:44:17,088
I mean, part of the problem is
where humans who
developed a

822
00:44:17,088 --> 00:44:20,240
technology that's currently
hijacking human
cognition and

823
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:24,820
ability, and now as humans, we
have to solve and
potentially

824
00:44:24,820 --> 00:44:27,928
behaviorally manipulate humans
to make the
right decision

825
00:44:27,928 --> 00:44:29,960
when they wouldn't make the
right
decision.

826
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,620
So this is like a constantly
nested recursive
problem that

827
00:44:33,620 --> 00:44:37,844
will slowly iterate on itself,
but if you want to
appeal to

828
00:44:37,844 --> 00:44:41,257
people doing the thing that
you'd prefer them to do,
what

829
00:44:41,257 --> 00:44:45,370
we naturally want to do is
describe a small problem and


830
00:44:45,378 --> 00:44:50,030
extrapolate it to the biggest
issue, and that in the AI space

831
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:54,130
is the Doomers versus the
there's like a play on words for

832
00:44:54,130 --> 00:44:57,532

optimize or whatever, but you
can't say someone will go to


833
00:44:57,540 --> 00:45:01,530
chat GPT to do their taxes and.
So we're going to lose our


834
00:45:01,538 --> 00:45:03,652
humanity.
I think you need to for you

835
00:45:03,652 --> 00:45:07,247
specifically, I would
say you
can use chat GPT if you want,

836
00:45:07,247 --> 00:45:11,400
but that's like dropping
all
of your money on red 51 or

837
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,280
whatever at the roulette table

and just hoping you get it

838
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:14,979
right.
Now.

839
00:45:14,979 --> 00:45:19,236
That's not a mark
against you,
but I sometimes worry that we're

840
00:45:19,236 --> 00:45:23,394
losing a lot of
nuance when
we're trying to catch everyone

841
00:45:23,394 --> 00:45:26,677
with something
that covers
everything, to try and

842
00:45:26,677 --> 00:45:31,040
illustrate a danger that's

important for us to note, like

843
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,360
there is a huge issue coming

down the line that isn't

844
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,020
necessarily realized yet.
It's
okay to get into the

845
00:45:39,020 --> 00:45:42,100
description, and if we don't

understand, or the person we're

846
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:45,580
talking to doesn't understand,

then we have to find a way to

847
00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:47,800
bring them to the table, or

point them in a direction that

848
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,845
appeals to them to be able to do

it.

849
00:45:49,845 --> 00:45:53,325
And the problem is, the utility
of AI these days is just


850
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:56,412
making it impossible to bring
people to that conversation,


851
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:58,987
because you're taking things
away from them.

852
00:45:58,987 --> 00:46:02,304
Humans are
inherently lazy,
and it's because there was no

853
00:46:02,304 --> 00:46:04,556
time for
leisure.
Now we've got full leisure, but

854
00:46:04,556 --> 00:46:07,992
we're in a unique
pivoting
point at the moment where we can

855
00:46:07,992 --> 00:46:10,740
start to address
those things
through the nuance.

856
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,120
If we all turn a bunch of little

wheels at the same time, it's

857
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,289
going to move the ship.
But if
we're all trying to

858
00:46:17,289 --> 00:46:20,942
turn one big wheel at the same
time, it's a
whole lot harder.

859
00:46:20,942 --> 00:46:26,734
So I agree with you very much so
that AI
has the potential to

860
00:46:26,734 --> 00:46:30,100
bring about the demise of
humanity, because
we got to

861
00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:32,660
realize where we are in
podcasting.

862
00:46:32,660 --> 00:46:37,634
The editors may
not go away,
but their job will be very

863
00:46:37,634 --> 00:46:41,114
different with AI
advancing as
much as it does.

864
00:46:41,114 --> 00:46:43,394
I think there's a soapbox under
my
feet.

865
00:46:43,394 --> 00:46:45,640
I'm going to step Marc Ronick:
off it.

866
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,440
Thank you,
Matt.
Appreciate that.

867
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,932
And yeah, I'll let me wrap this
up.

868
00:46:50,932 --> 00:46:57,148
I
think a big takeaway today
is that AI and AI editing is


869
00:46:57,156 --> 00:47:01,372
already changing what's possible
for podcasters, especially for


870
00:47:01,380 --> 00:47:05,328
creators handling audio, video
captions, clips, social content

871
00:47:05,328 --> 00:47:09,666
all on their own, right?
These are tools that can save us

872
00:47:09,666 --> 00:47:11,700
time.

They can clean up rough spots,

873
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,380
find strong moments, and make

editing feel a lot less

874
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:20,965
overwhelming, right?
But AI
still needs direction

875
00:47:20,965 --> 00:47:25,684
taste right judgment, it can
help
polish an episode, but it

876
00:47:25,684 --> 00:47:30,570
can't replace a good idea or a
clear
structure or a good

877
00:47:30,570 --> 00:47:34,460
conversation or a real reason
for a listener
to care, right?

878
00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:38,666
So the opportunity is to treat
AI like
part of your

879
00:47:38,666 --> 00:47:41,912
production team.
Let it help you with the


880
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,256
repetitive work.
And I know John said something

881
00:47:44,256 --> 00:47:47,691
about this in the
chat too.
Let it speed up your workflow.

882
00:47:47,691 --> 00:47:52,600
Let it help to open up

creative possibilities, but keep

883
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,110
your hands on the decisions that

shape the listener.

884
00:47:56,110 --> 00:48:01,639
Experience, what gets cut, what
stays what
feels organic or

885
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:05,688
natural, what serves the
audience that all
still

886
00:48:05,688 --> 00:48:08,499
matters.
AI and AI, editing gets better.

887
00:48:08,499 --> 00:48:12,246
The best
podcasters will be
the ones that use the technology

888
00:48:12,246 --> 00:48:17,001
to support
their voice, voices
to improve their message, to

889
00:48:17,001 --> 00:48:20,573
protect the
human connection
that makes people want to keep

890
00:48:20,573 --> 00:48:24,716
listening to
a podcast, so
keep that in mind, and key also

891
00:48:24,716 --> 00:48:28,580
keep in mind we are
going to
have an actual editing

892
00:48:28,580 --> 00:48:32,300
conversation here on the

podcasting morning chat slash

893
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:34,775
show.
We will do that maybe as
soon

894
00:48:34,775 --> 00:48:37,264
as next week.
We'll see, but I'll keep you

895
00:48:37,264 --> 00:48:41,032
posted, but we
I really do
want to have a conversation more

896
00:48:41,032 --> 00:48:45,085
about editing
specifically,
but this one just got too juicy

897
00:48:45,085 --> 00:48:48,963
to change gears
like that.
And finally, I want to just say

898
00:48:48,963 --> 00:48:52,425
if today's show felt
helpful
to you, or if this show in

899
00:48:52,425 --> 00:48:56,080
general is one that you care

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900
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,500
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going to podcasting, morning

901
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:04,740
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you can do that there, and we're

902
00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:07,340
back tomorrow.
It's our Friday
show, so we

903
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:11,306
will be having some discussions
around community
and, of

904
00:49:11,306 --> 00:49:14,770
course, appropriately.
So we will then share our wins


905
00:49:14,778 --> 00:49:18,355
with each other and celebrate
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906
00:49:18,355 --> 00:49:19,800

So join us tomorrow, 7am

907
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908
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909
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911
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912
00:49:39,173 --> 00:49:40,400
Everybody.
Take care.

913
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:40,520
You.