503. Why Most Podcasters Quit Right Before It Works

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Good morning podcasters.
Today is Friday, April 24th,

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2020.
Sixth, and today, why podcasters

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quit before the breakthrough.
We're diving into hidden

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progress, small pivots, quiet
growth, and how staying in the

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game might be the move that
changes everything.

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Good morning again podcasting

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morning chat.
Thank you so much for being

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here.
I am your host Mark Ronic.

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Let me say that again Alex, can
you mute please?

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Oh Alex, there you go.
Thank you.

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I am your host Mark Ronic and
currently on stage with me my Co

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hosts Nick Naulback, Ralphie
Step, Dr. Fay, BC Babbles, Sid

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Meadows, Alex Baelish and we
also have Tide AKA Nikki here on

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stage with us from the audience.
Welcome to all of you.

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If you want to learn about them,
just go to Podcasting Morning

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chat dot com slash people and
you'll see why I have all these

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fine people on stage with me and
woo, what a start to the

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morning.
Now, if you're listening on the

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podcast, you don't really know
what why I'm saying that, but

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man, I started reading from the
wrong script.

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As you know, I don't script a
lot, but I always script our

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intro and I was reading the
wrong one.

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Then we had somebody off mic
that was throwing me off.

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My ADHD was getting the best of
me.

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So here we are.
We have officially begun today's

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show, and I want to start with a
reminder to you that on Monday

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we're going to be revisiting our
Obsession Worthy podcast series

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hosted by Jonathan Howard and
yours truly and all the rest of

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the people I just listed.
And this episode that we're

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digging into, we like to every
couple weeks, pick out a podcast

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that's really popular and figure
out what makes it so popular,

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hence obsession worthy.
And we're going to do an episode

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of the daily.
Please forgive me, I I don't

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have the name of the episode
written down, but you can find

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it in the show notes.
This is an episode all about AI,

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quote UN quote, invading
Hollywood, some of the the

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challenges that they've been
dealing with and how they intend

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to deal with it moving forward.
So join us on Monday, we'll play

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lots of clips from the episode
if you don't actually catch it,

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but we encourage you to go ahead
and listen to that if you can

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over your weekend.
It's like AI think it's like 40

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minutes long.
It's not a long episode.

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So go check that out.
Ralph, I feel like you were

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going to say something.
Were you?

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Yeah, it's Hollywood's AI moment
by the Daily, and you can find

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that at Podcasting Morning
chat.com/OWP.

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And that is why my friends,
Ralph is a Co producer of this

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show.
Thank you for having my back,

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Sir.
So yes, go check that out and we

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look forward to talking about it
with you on Monday.

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All right, so before we get into
wins from the week, because it

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is Friday and that's what we do
on Fridays, I want to talk about

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something a lot of us go through
as podcasters at some point or

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another.
I, I almost wanted to say all of

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us go through at some point or
another, but I don't like to

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generalize, but I feel like a
lot of us do go through this.

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There's often this point where
your show feels like it's going

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nowhere.
Downloads aren't moving fast

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enough, feedback ain't really
happening, growth feels slow and

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you start to wonder if it's
worth it.

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But sometimes that's exactly the
point where things start

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actually working.
And I can give you a quick

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example.
I know with this show, and I

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mean this, I don't focus heavily
on the download numbers.

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And it is hard to avoid because
you see it all the time when you

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log into your account.
It's I think almost every one of

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us, all these different
podcasting hosting platforms,

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when you log in, it's one of the
first things they show us,

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right?
So it's hard to ignore it

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completely.
And for the longest time, I

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wasn't seeing a lot of growth.
And I did have moments where I

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felt like, what am I doing here?
Right?

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So sometimes, though, that's
exactly that point where it

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clicks.
So today we're going to talk

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about staying in the game,
recognizing progress before

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maybe it's obvious, and figuring
out what helps podcasters keep

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going.
And I know for me, what's kept

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me going when I've had those
moments is the live stream,

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because I have actual people
that I know are showing up and

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participating and hearing what I
have to say.

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And that helps me a lot with
staying less focused on download

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numbers and more focused on the
people that are here in the

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room.
That's an advantage of live

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streaming while you're recording
your podcast, I think.

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So let's start with that moment
where podcasters begin

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questioning whether they keep
going.

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And let's make it very simple.
What do you think usually causes

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podcasters to quit too soon?
What makes you think or what

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makes them think it's time to
hang it up.

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All right, BC coming to you
first and I'll, I'll save the

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thing I want to share that we
shared at the end of this.

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Actually, I'm just going to say
it yesterday at the end, not.

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The first time.
At the end of the show, before

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we hear from BC, we wrapped up
stop the live streams, press

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stop on the recording and I had
to call BC out because the past

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couple of shows we've started
noticing on the video that BC

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has been dozing off.
And look, I think that there are

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many of us that are guilty of
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It's just that we haven't always
had the video to be able to see

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if you're dozing off.
We've done it, the live stream

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on Clubhouse.
So we only get audio.

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And I am sure there have been
times where I've come to

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somebody and we didn't hear them
respond and I'm like, hello, are

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you there?
Are you there?

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And I'm sure it's because they
dozed off.

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I'm sure that has happened
before.

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We have something very fun
coming soon to share with

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everybody who may have missed
those moments.

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Although you can always go back
to our live stream video on

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YouTube and elsewhere.
But we have something prepared

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or we're working on to share
that BC.

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On in each of the episodes
titles where you can catch me

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visually dozing off.
Now, Mark, shall I play our

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little Jingle for that?
Sure.

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Go ahead.
Go ahead, Ralph.

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We have a Jingle.
Hey, hey, hey, eyes up.

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Don't do now.
Don't camera.

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Stay with me now.
Come back to me live.

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Can you see?
Open those eyes.

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Yeah, right now.
Don't check out now.

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There you go.
Thank you Ralph for that SUNO

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presentation.
Appreciate it.

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OK so with that BC, what do you
think usually causes podcasters

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to quit too soon?
I know for me personally, part

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of it is when things outside of
the studio shift around and you

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have to recalibrate where your
time is being allocated.

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And for me, it's also prompted
me to constantly question, OK, I

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love the video podcasting and
I've always done it that way.

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And I'm a little scared of the
idea of maybe it'll be better

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use of my time where things are
right now again, outside the

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studio space to not revert, but
to at least temporarily switch

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to audio first podcasting.
So I have less to productively

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worry about and I can still get
the content out there.

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But I'm worried about if I make
that shift, will that cause some

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kind of negative effect to the
downloads, to, you know,

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distribution, all that other
stuff?

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And so as I contemplate that
question, I find myself just not

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doing anything which that in and
of itself causes negative effect

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on all those aforementioned
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So I think just, you know,
trying to figure out if there's

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if now or if there is ever a
right time to pivot a certain

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way can cause people to feel
like they're not growing enough.

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And I've been doing this since
summer 2019.

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So this is a constant.
It's kind of struggle for me.

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BC very relatable.
I tend to be a person that

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freezes when I'm overwhelmed or
have too many decisions to make.

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I end up just not making any
decisions.

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So I completely relate.
I actually had some of this

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conversation with Dave Campbell
yesterday when I was on his

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podcast as a guest, just sharing
that.

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Yeah, the lot.
I have those moments where it's

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like, OK, I'm out.
I just can't handle it.

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I don't know what the right
decision is, so I don't want to

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make one at all.
That is very common for me and

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I'm working on it.
I'm definitely working through

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that.
Ralph, did you want to respond

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to this?
Yeah, I think the question was,

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you know, what makes you feel
that way?

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I think the biggest struggle
that I see for podcasters is not

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clearly defining at the front
end what success looks like.

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I think that's the biggest
struggle.

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Because before you even hit
record, I think you need to have

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a vision in your mind of where
this is going, where you want it

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to go.
Because what feeds you and what

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feeds me and what feeds BC and
other people is completely

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different.
It might not be downloads, it

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might be feedback.
It might be people recognizing

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you could be whatever those
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But I think we fall into a trap
if we don't set that up ahead of

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time.
What does success look like?

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And that's why when I see people
fade out, I talk to them and

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I'll say to them, why did you
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Well, it didn't do what I
expected it to do.

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Well, what was it you expected
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I don't really know, but it's
not doing it.

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Well, how do you know it's not
doing it if you don't know what

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your expectations were at the
front end?

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So Mark, I think that's I think
that's one of the biggest

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struggles is clearly defining
what the what success looks like

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from the beginning.
Yeah.

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And do you think, though, that
sometimes what some new

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podcasters think about when
they're going in as far as

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success goes is maybe they're
thinking about the wrong things,

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right?
There are some things that maybe

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they're holding in a higher
regard that maybe that's not

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really the benchmark that they
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I agree with you and I've
mentioned on the show many

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times, you got a lot of hustlers
out there promising to make

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$1,000,000 overnight and you're
going to have 10 million

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followers those not.
That's not true.

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And that's the thing.
I think a lot of people fade out

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or burn out or get frustrated
because they don't have this

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overnight success.
Like there's this belief out

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there that, well, if you just
post it, if you're just

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consistent, you do that show
every week, man, you are going

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to be just like Mr. Beast and
all the rest of the big names.

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Well, guess what?
It's like hitting the lottery,

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my friends.
That doesn't usually happen.

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That doesn't mean it can happen,
but you have to really

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understand what makes this
successful for you.

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I will speak personally, my
Daily Show, it's called

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Financially Confident Christian.
When I first started this, I'm

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like, hey, I got a ton of
experience.

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People are going to need to hear
from me and crickets.

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And I had like 20 downloads and
then I got to like 30 downloads.

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And I said when I started, I'm
going to do this every day for

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three years.
Dave Jackson said on his show,

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one time I was listening to it,
he said it takes about three

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years to breakthrough.
And I didn't really want to hear

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that at the time, Mark, to be
honest.

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But I said I am making
commitment to do that to three

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years.
Now.

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My numbers are fantastic.
I'm doing almost 10,000

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downloads a month.
That's great.

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But if I had, if I hadn't
thought at the beginning, I'm

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doing this for three years, then
I would have stopped many times.

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I would have said the heck with
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anymore.
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And I mean, I think that formula
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three years, I mean, I don't
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And I can say again, piling on
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about this show, we are in
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of the podcast, right?
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starting to see significant
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first year.
So yeah, that might be actually

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a thing.
I mean, Dave might be on to

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something there.
Tide, you've been waiting

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patiently.
Good morning.

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What did you want to add to
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Oh, thank you.
Yes, I was going to add a couple

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of things just for clarity and
I'm more so speak from my own

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personal experience.
I do think Ralph is definitely

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correct when he says that the
expectations that you set for

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yourself are really, really,
really important.

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Because for me, I, when I got
into podcasting a few months

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ago, I didn't have any
expectations about downloads or

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anything like that.
So for me, because I had set, I

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had made my own rules.
I don't want to say I set the

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bar low, but I had made my own
rules that I wasn't going to

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have any expectations.
So what that did for me was that

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it every download that I did get
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It was awesome.
It felt like forward momentum.

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I was like, this is the coolest
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Because even if it was just one
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So the expectations that you set
for yourself and the rules that

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you set for yourself on how you
win are not determined by

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anybody else.
They're not determined by the

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other podcasters or society or
anything like that.

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You're the one making the rules
on how you win each day.

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And so that that's how I look at
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It's just the expectations that
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Because if you say to yourself,
well, I'm going to have, you

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know, I'm going to expect that I
have 100 downloads or that

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people recognize me out in
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And every day that doesn't
happen, that's going to wear you

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down very quickly.
And you're going to say, well, I

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don't like this.
This isn't fun anymore.

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So it's just all about the
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I mean, you even think about the
way that people talk about like,

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listen to politicians.
Politicians are experts at

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making people feel good and
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You know what I mean?
So all you have to do is just

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say that to yourself and then
you'll be fine.

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That's how I look at it.
But then the other thing you

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have to consider is do you
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Irregardless of the results, You
can try something and maybe you

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don't actually like it as much
as what you thought you were

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going to.
So, and that's OK too.

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If you don't actually like it,
if you don't actually feel good

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doing podcasting irregardless of
the results, then you know it

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might not be the right thing.
And most of the growth happens

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underneath the ground.
It's what you don't see

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happening behind the scenes.
That is where the most of the

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growth happens.
So as long, in my opinion, as

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you're making, as long as you're
making forward progress and you

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actually like what you're doing
and you set those expectations,

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you make your own rules for
whatever a win for you today

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looks like, and you can easily
achieve that goal, then you win.

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Nikki, thank you so much.
And I see a lot of people here

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are emphatically agreeing with
everything that you shared.

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Thank you for that.
And yeah, I think the whole

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thing here is that, like you
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rules, we make our own success.
And I think the problem is when

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we were talking about newer
podcasters, the they're only

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able, or it seems that they're
only able to follow what others

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are telling them.
Our success looks what success

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looks like, right?
They're hearing from the

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experts, they're following them
on social media.

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And the experts are saying that
you got to do this, you got to

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do that or that.
And if you don't, it's not going

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to work, right?
There are some people that

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really come on strong about
that, and a lot of new

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podcasters don't know what they
don't know, so they're just

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going to gravitate to.
All right, well, this guy's got

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10,000 followers, 100,000
followers, so he must be doing

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something right.
So I got to just, that's what

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success means.
So that it's a mindset shift, I

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think, too.
And yeah, it's a challenging 1.

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I appreciate what you're
sharing.

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I see Janae said he wanted to
chime in, but you stole all of

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his thoughts.
But Janae, I'll give you a

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moment.
Did you want to add anything or

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you good to go?
Absolutely.

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I mean, Nikki's right on the
money because there's a story

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about the Chinese bamboo, which
it takes five years for the

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sprouts to even come out of the
ground.

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But you have to continually
water that place, water those

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seeds so that it can build that
root, build that foundation.

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And that's what we're doing
right when we're starting a

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podcast.
We're building our foundation.

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We're building our muscle memory
of what it takes, right?

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For me, when I started the
podcast, I was like, hey, I just

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want to get started.
I don't care about anything at

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all.
My first year, I was just

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working on that muscle of
podcasting and not even

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promoting it, right?
I was just saying, hey, I just

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want to get through this first
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And a lot of people will say,
OK, I'm going to start and I'm

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going to do this.
I'm going to do this.

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I'm like, no, that's not how it
works.

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You can't just say I'm going to
run a marathon tomorrow and try

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to do a marathon because you
haven't worked your muscle and

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then the next day you're all
broken up.

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So really need to think into the
long term, right?

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So it's not a Sprint, it's a
long term project.

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And the things that you can
build with a podcast, right?

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Not just a podcast.
So YouTube channel, it's a

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relationships that you build
over the years.

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And I've been so honored and
been so lucky and fortunate to

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have not stay ahead.
This is where I want to be in

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five years and six years.
But to see that change happening

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now that I've been around for
like 8 years.

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Podcasting, right?
You start build that muscle,

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build that connection with
people.

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So it's a long term game.
Thank you.

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Yeah, thank you.
Thank you.

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BC did you want to chime in?
Yeah, I just got to say this the

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second time in the past week
I've heard the whole root system

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metaphor, and I just keep loving
it the more that I hear about

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it.
And I think it's such a great

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way to really kind of breakdown
how most success works.

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You have to keep in mind as big
as a tree looks after years of

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growing, that root system is
easily twice as big.

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So you have to really put into
to the time frame the patients

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to let that work.
And I put it earlier in the chat

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where I said, and that's why
it's so important for those of

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us who consult on this to really
help not only help people

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clarify what success for them
looks like, but also establish

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reasonable time frame
expectations.

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It's not going to be an
overnight thing unless you want

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to drop millions on ads today.
But even then, people who might

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see it are not necessarily
subscribers.

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So if you stop tomorrow, it all
stops tomorrow.

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So just being really clear on
what that path will require from

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you, I think is such a
quintessential thing,

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quintessential part of this
whole experience.

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Yeah, thank you BC And I'm with
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I love that root analogy.
I like it, almost like it more.

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At least I gravitate to it more
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which I think is also a great
one too.

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You know, we only see the tip of
the iceberg, but there's this

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whole foundation underneath the
water that we don't see.

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And I so I love that analogy
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But there's something about the
roots one that I really connect

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with Sid.
Good morning to you.

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Welcome back.
I know you were on a little bit

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of a trip.
I'd assume you're back from your

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trip because you're here now.
But anyway, good morning to you.

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What did you want to add to this
conversation?

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Good morning, everybody.
I know I am not back yet.

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I don't leave till tomorrow.
I'm staying an extra day and

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headed back tomorrow midday.
But you know, I think one of the

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things that for me that people
overlook sometimes is when it

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starts to feel overwhelming and
oh, I got to do this and now I

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got to edit this and I tried to
record that perfectly so we

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didn't have to do any editing.
And you know, just starts to

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feel I got to do it on YouTube
too.

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And you know, blah, blah, blah,
different starts to feel

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overwhelming.
I think is what drives people to

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want to give up on their dream
of podcasting.

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And it happened to me twice.
First thought it happened was

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when I realized I had to edit
and I was like, I tried it.

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Somebody said use Adobe,
whatever.

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And I open that thing up and
like what the hell is this?

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Like I can't do this.
And so at episode 35 I found an

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editor and that's at that point
was why I started.

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And then I don't know what
episode it was where I did

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actually pod fade for about 6
months was because I had an

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engagement that was weighing
very heavily on me and just, it

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was just too much for me to do
everything at one time.

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And so let's not overlook the
fact when life happens or when

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things start to feel
overwhelming, that's I think the

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point at which a lot of people
actually give up.

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Yeah.
Thank you, Sid.

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I think that's yeah, of course,
if you're overwhelmed and you're

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feeling like, I don't know what
I how I can handle this anymore.

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Yeah.
Sometimes finding help is the

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key to keep going.
And yeah, there's, I've seen it

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in all ways, shapes and forms.
For example, if you're feeling

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like, well, that's great for
Sid, he could afford it.

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I can't.
Look, I know I have clients that

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I consult that has family
involved.

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They have, I think it's their
older daughter is doing the

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editing for them, right?
Like there are things you can

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do, but you just got to get
creative sometimes you just got

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to think outside the box
sometimes it doesn't always have

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to be paid help.
And if you do need and have the

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budget for some paid help and
you want somebody to help edit

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and produce your podcast, check
out Ironic media.com.

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That's my company.
And that's one of the things we

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do over there is produce
podcasts and we consult

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podcaster.
So Ironic media.com.

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There you go.
Thank you for that, Sid.

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OK, Let me ask a different
question, if you don't mind,

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because I think, well, a lot of
podcasters are waiting for one

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of those breakthroughs that
we're talking about here.

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So what are some early signs
that a podcast is starting to

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work, even if the numbers are
still small?

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How do they know that it's
actually working?

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Yeah, Dr., go ahead.
Well, I hate this phrase, but

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until we come up with a new
phrase, I'll have to use it.

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You have to know what your why
is.

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For instance, I have a client,
I've talked about her before.

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She is a business coach and she
is doing her podcast

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specifically to get more
clients.

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Now, that might mean that her
downloads are not quite there,

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but the ones that are there,
they're all calling her up,

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saying can we work together
one-on-one?

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That is a success.
That's a huge success.

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I like it.
So it really depends on and

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again, I hate this phrase.
It depends on what your why is.

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Well, Ralph is agreeing with,
you know your why did you want

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to chime in, Ralph?
Yeah.

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And like I said, I kind of go
back to what I said earlier is

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what is the measurement?
If you're doing your podcast to

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get more clients, then ask
yourself a tough question.

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Am I getting more clients
doesn't feel good when this

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you're not getting new clients
and then you start to say, OK,

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what is the time frame that I'm
going to allow myself to invest

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in this before I say you know
what I've got to change

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something, but know what those
things are because a lot of

451
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,080
people going to say, oh, I went
viral.

452
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,840
I want to be viral I want to
have this many followers.

453
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,920
If you're doing it for money,
guess what?

454
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,600
Followers doesn't put money in
your bank account and you're.

455
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,640
Going to burn out faster.
Well, absolutely, and that's

456
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,080
where I love your coaching
client, Dr., because she has a

457
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,960
focus and then she's got to have
that tough decision with

458
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,040
herself.
How many hours a week are you

459
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,920
putting into this and what is
the return on investment?

460
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,800
It's something we talk about in
accounting all the time.

461
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,160
What is the return on
investment?

462
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,600
You're making an investment.
I had this very discussion with

463
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,520
Mark and we've talked about what
is the return on investment?

464
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,760
How many hours are you putting
into something?

465
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,440
What is it you're expecting to
get from it?

466
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,680
Because if you're not getting
that, you're going to stop doing

467
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,080
it, you're not going to put all
your effort into it, and you're

468
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,760
going to say, why am I bothering
spending this much time?

469
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,080
I'll give you a great example of
that.

470
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,800
I was working with a client a
couple weeks ago, has their own

471
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,480
business and I looked at their
net profit for the year and I

472
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,920
said, how do you feel making
$4.00 an hour?

473
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,040
And he looked at me like, Ralph,
what are you talking about?

474
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,760
I said, you just told me you
spend X number of hours a week

475
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,520
working.
You make $4.00 an hour.

476
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,680
How does that feel?
Now that was tough love, but it

477
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,200
he had to hear that because
that's and all of us podcasters

478
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,720
need to hear that too.
What is it feeding?

479
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,720
Hey, it could be.
I love doing it.

480
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,120
It's my escape from the reality
of my life.

481
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,600
Hey, fantastic.
There's a huge return on that.

482
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,800
But if you're asking for this to
pay your bills, help out with

483
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,920
the bottom line, pay for itself,
ask yourself those tough

484
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,040
questions.
You know, I have a love hate

485
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,000
relationship with the whole
download thing.

486
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:05,120
As long as distribution
platforms, AKA hosting platforms

487
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,160
jargon wheel.
OK, so as long as hosting

488
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,880
platforms have that on your
dashboard, have that as a

489
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,880
measurement, people are going to
look at it and say, oh God, I

490
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,920
got to get that number up.
I got to get that number up.

491
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,280
Especially new podcasters.
Especially new podcasters.

492
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,520
So why can't they have like an
engagement number?

493
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,960
It seems to me that, you know,
I'm not a techie person, but it

494
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,920
seems to me that they that this
would not be a difficult number

495
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,600
to achieve to get is an
engagement number.

496
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,840
Maybe not on the socials, but
there are so many podcast

497
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:48,160
players these days that are
including ways to communicate,

498
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:51,920
to put stars on something or to
comment on something.

499
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,480
Why aren't these platforms being
recognized by your hosting

500
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,080
platform?
So.

501
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,840
The problem with that though,
Dr. it is very difficult to

502
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,120
track and you also have to
recognize that only about 3% is

503
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,840
what they say of your people who
are consuming your content will

504
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,760
actually reach back out for
feedback.

505
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,680
It's something so that can
almost be that can almost be

506
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,200
more defeating than seeing the
download numbers, unfortunately.

507
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,680
I'm not sure because I mean, how
many times do you see that

508
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,880
number and you're keep
reminding, well, it doesn't

509
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,920
really mean that they're
listening to that download, you

510
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,160
know that download number
doesn't.

511
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,480
Really.
And I totally get that because

512
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,320
I, I put in the chat a little
while ago, there was a point in

513
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,640
time where I needed a 12 step
program from looking at my

514
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,360
stats, because I was checking
these things like every hour and

515
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:41,960
going, oh, I just sent out an
e-mail.

516
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,640
Did the move.
Oh, I just did this, didn't

517
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,120
move.
And a good friend of mine said,

518
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:48,080
dude, stop looking at your
stats, He said.

519
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,480
Look at it once a day to make
sure your stuff hit because I

520
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,360
have a production team.
Make sure they put the stuff

521
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,720
out, he said.
But you're driving yourself

522
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,520
crazy.
And he was right, because I was

523
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,480
driving myself crazy.
Yeah.

524
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,640
Real quick, just want to remind
everybody that as of May 4th, we

525
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,040
have a new start time.
Instead of 7:00 AM Eastern,

526
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,200
we're starting at 8:00 AM
Eastern every single Monday

527
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,000
through Friday.
And one of the reasons for that,

528
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,200
well, let's just be transparent.
It's to give ourselves a little

529
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,040
more sleep in the morning so BC
can keep awake during the entire

530
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,080
duration of the show.
And also so I can get some sleep

531
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,120
overnight and not get so anxious
about having to wake up so early

532
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,160
in the morning.
But also more importantly, I

533
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,840
think what this does is it
creates more opportunities for

534
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,640
this little show of ours.
I think it gives us more guest

535
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,880
opportunities.
I think that potentially it's

536
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,800
potentially better for
discoverability being on at a

537
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,280
later time.
I think here on Clubhouse that

538
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,880
could be helpful.
It could be helpful on our live

539
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,880
streams like YouTube and
elsewhere.

540
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,360
So again, may the 4th, may the
fourth be with you.

541
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,120
That will be our new time, 8:00
AM Eastern.

542
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,600
So please make a note of that
and come join us, especially

543
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,000
those of you who might be
listening right now via podcast

544
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,560
that have always said to you, to
us or to yourselves, oh, that's

545
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,200
too early.
I'm never joining live.

546
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,600
Hopefully this extra hour, we'll
get you motivated and get you to

547
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,480
come join us here.
OK, John is on stage.

548
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,800
John, did you want to
participate in what we were just

549
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:27,320
talking about with Ralph and Dr.
Yes, sometimes you don't have to

550
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,920
listen to what everybody else
says because I did that.

551
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,760
I said, OK, I want a certain
amount of downloads by this

552
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,880
time.
And it got to that time and I

553
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,720
didn't have those downloads.
So I'm like, well, I'm just

554
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,600
wasting my time.
And as it got closer, I felt sad

555
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,680
because I really enjoyed doing
the podcast.

556
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,960
So what did I do?
I just said, I don't care about

557
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,520
this because I remember that
someone said, if this many

558
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,880
people showed up in a room to
listen to you every week, would

559
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,440
you think, would you think that
was success, success?

560
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,560
And it was.
And my success is that I really

561
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,440
enjoy doing it.
I, I love doing it.

562
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,320
So your success is your success.
And if you listen to everybody

563
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,720
else, I have to have this many
downloads.

564
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,600
You don't, you don't.
So don't set expectations.

565
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,280
If you like doing it, it's fine.
If you're doing it for business

566
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,880
and you're not getting it, well,
then you might have to pivot, I

567
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,920
would say.
Before you quit, change things

568
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,320
before you quit.
Yeah, I'm with you there.

569
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,840
I think that's the best advice
that I could hear.

570
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,200
I mean, yeah, make make a change
before you quit if it doesn't

571
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,120
feel like it's working for you.
And I'm doing that right now.

572
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,680
I mean, I alluded to it a little
bit yesterday on the show when

573
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,120
we were talking about social
media.

574
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,240
I'm doing that right now for
social media.

575
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,880
I am easing off a little bit and
I'm also looking at changing my

576
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,720
strategy, not necessarily
getting rid of what I've already

577
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,240
started doing because I enjoy
putting out some of the clips

578
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,320
from this show.
But I want to add more variety

579
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,800
because I think that's what my
audience wants.

580
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,360
They're not responding to just
the podcast clips that I put out

581
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,160
there.
So I want to provide more

582
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,400
content in different ways to try
to connect with my audience.

583
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,480
And then if that doesn't work, I
might take a damn break from

584
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,040
social media altogether.
I'm getting close and I know

585
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,000
everybody hears me constantly
talking about Tether Parody, who

586
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,800
will be a keynote speaker at
Empowered Podcasting.

587
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,760
I saw she just put out an
episode recently with somebody

588
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,080
that she actually knows
personally, that I forget what

589
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,880
this person does, but I can tell
you has a strong social media

590
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,400
following.
And as of October, the woman

591
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,560
decided I need a break.
It's poisoning my brain having

592
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,480
to be on here.
She was getting caught in the

593
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,000
comparison traps, etcetera.
Here's the number that changed

594
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,920
for her when she went off social
media.

595
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:51,680
Her business sales increased
176% after she got off social

596
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:57,000
media, which she was doing quite
well at as far as followers and

597
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,600
views and things like that.
But it was taking its toll on

598
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,720
her.
She recognized it.

599
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,240
She stopped and her business
increased a lot.

600
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,800
That it was a huge lesson for me
when I saw that clip.

601
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,080
And I intend to go check out
that full episode as well.

602
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,160
But yeah, Unconventional Leaders
is the name of the podcast.

603
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,040
Heather parody.
Check that out.

604
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,320
All right, I saw earlier, Sid,
did you want to chime in again?

605
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,920
Yes, please.
Thank you.

606
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,520
The question was around, would
you repeat the question mark

607
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,080
real quick that you ask?
Yeah, sure, no problem.

608
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,320
I just have to pull it back up.
I don't even have it in front of

609
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,560
me now.
So it's something about how do

610
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,600
you know?
Like what's the something about

611
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,720
how do you know?
Yeah.

612
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:39,680
How?
How long?

613
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,520
Well, I think I was it.
How long?

614
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,280
You were talking about early
wins that you might not

615
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,040
recognize.
Yeah.

616
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,600
Thank you.
Thank you, Ralph.

617
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,840
So for me, the things that
really get my juices going, if

618
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,360
you will, is when somebody
reaches out to me directly,

619
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,800
right and says, Oh, wow, that
was a really great episode.

620
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,200
I learned so much from that.
Thank you very much.

621
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,040
Or I get some of you've heard me
talk about this.

622
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,040
I get stopped at events in
hallway and a you know, are you

623
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,160
said I'm like, yes, and they
start thanking me for my

624
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,200
podcast.
Those are the things to me

625
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,200
because that really get the
energy going to continue because

626
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,640
we all need validation at points
and times that what we're doing

627
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,040
is really good.
And to, I think it was Ralph

628
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,640
that said, less than 3% of your
audience is actually going to

629
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,400
engage with your content in some
way.

630
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,520
But when they do, it's
reaffirming that you're doing

631
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,280
the right thing and you're on
the right path.

632
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,000
And so I track those, I pay
attention to those.

633
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,000
I personally reach out to
everybody that, you know, makes

634
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,760
a comment on something that I
post or an article that I write

635
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,600
or whatever, because they're
just reaffirming because my goal

636
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,040
is just to help one person every
day, right?

637
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,360
And if my show helps somebody
grow their business, then I'm

638
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,440
doing my job.
I'm going to keep going because

639
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,520
I helped somebody.
And if I helped one person that

640
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,600
took the time to reach out to me
and tell me that I helped them,

641
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,600
how many did I help that didn't
tell me, right?

642
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,080
They didn't reach out to me to
tell me.

643
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,480
So for me, it's those are, you
know, affirmations of listeners

644
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,800
that engage with me to tell me
how much they appreciate the

645
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,360
content or that it helped them.
So I'm paying attention to

646
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,040
those.
And I think we all need to pay

647
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:31,520
some small little signs that you
help.

648
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,960
OK.
I think the connection got a

649
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,679
little wonky right at the end of
what Sid was saying.

650
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:41,159
And I saw a lot of us here were,
again, emphatically agreeing

651
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:43,560
with Sid.
Thank you, Sid, for that, Ralph.

652
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,280
I saw you were actually even
applauding.

653
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,360
Yeah, I think that is so key.
I think about that on my show

654
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,080
every day.
If one person is impacted by

655
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,080
something I say today, if I can
help one person get through a

656
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,920
tough time, I don't always hear
from them.

657
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,240
I don't always see them.
But if I can help one person,

658
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,880
man, I think that's well done,
Well done.

659
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,160
Yeah, I got to tell you, there
are times still that I sometimes

660
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,640
feel down about the show or feel
like, you know, what the heck am

661
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,800
I doing?
Is this really?

662
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,080
Are people really connecting
with the show?

663
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,520
Are they feeling like this is
this is their home?

664
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,280
Because that is one of my goals
is to make this show feel like a

665
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,080
place that all content creators
can come to feel seen, feel

666
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,280
heard and get the kind of advice
they want.

667
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,120
And there are times that I just
don't know if it's if that's

668
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,600
landing.
And Dave, yesterday on our

669
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,440
interview, he really validated a
lot for me because he was saying

670
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,520
all the things that I hope that
the people that listen or watch

671
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,680
this show would think and that
that really gave me a big jolt,

672
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,800
a big resurgence in what I'm
doing here just from one person.

673
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,720
And I don't take that lightly.
I'm not just saying, oh, just

674
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:58,760
one person.
I'm saying all it takes is

675
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,280
hearing it from one person.
And I really appreciate it.

676
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,120
Dave, thank you for the kind
words.

677
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,000
We'll talk a little bit more
about that in a minute when we

678
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,840
do wins.
First, I want to go to Nikki.

679
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,600
Nikki, you wanted to chime in?
Yes, I was just going to say,

680
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,160
well, first, Ralph, I just want
to let you know and affirm you

681
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,560
that 115 minute conversation
that we had really did help me a

682
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,720
ton.
So you met your goal of helping

683
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,680
one person and the effects and
the reverberations of that

684
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,840
conversation have been great.
And so I appreciate you taking

685
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,400
the time to do that.
And Mark, your show really has

686
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,720
helped too.
It does feel like home.

687
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,080
I'm going to miss you guys when
it starts up at 8:00 AM because

688
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,080
I won't be able to be here.
But I do think that this is a

689
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,520
fantastic space for any kind of
content creator and you do an

690
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,880
amazing job.
Well worth, hopefully to you,

691
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,000
well worth the time and energy
that you expend because I see it

692
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,040
as tremendously valuable.
But the other thing I was just

693
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,120
going to say is that whatever
metric, whether it's engagement

694
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,560
or it's downloads or something
different, whatever metric makes

695
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,960
you feel good, go with that one.
For me, it's the downloads.

696
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,040
It's not the engagement because
I don't really get it.

697
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,480
I get a lot of engagement in my
Facebook community, but it's

698
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,840
kind of fleeting and short
lived.

699
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,480
So it doesn't make me feel good,
but if it makes somebody else

700
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,640
feel good, then use that as your
metric because it's fulfilling

701
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,560
you, it's filling up your cup.
But in the other thing I was

702
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,680
just going to say is that in
terms of the metrics, if you

703
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,880
have, let's say your goal is
just to get one download, OK,

704
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,400
cool.
You get one download.

705
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,640
You feel really good about that.
Well, when you get that one,

706
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,680
then you, your brain
automatically starts to say,

707
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,840
well, maybe I can get 2.
And then when you get 2, you're

708
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,320
like, ah, maybe I can get 5.
And then you start to do that.

709
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,320
And so with every little win,
every little success, your

710
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,440
ability to see and feel good
about getting more of whatever

711
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,160
it is that you want, that's it
comes with time and you

712
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,960
achieving those small goals.
And before you know it, like

713
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,840
Ralph said, now you're getting
10,000 downloads a month.

714
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,520
But if you're a new podcaster
and you set that 10,000

715
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,120
downloads a month goal as right
now, you're going to feel

716
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,680
horrible about that because
you're only going to see one or

717
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,920
two because you're setting
yourself up for failure.

718
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,840
So just get one, then get 2,
then get 5, then get 10.

719
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,040
And then as you go through that
process, before you know it,

720
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,160
you're going to be able to see,
oh, wait a second, I can get

721
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,760
hundreds or thousands of
downloads and you'll actually

722
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,360
believe it and feel good about
it.

723
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,800
I love that, Nikki, Thank you.
There's been a lot of gold

724
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,320
shared here today, so thank you
for being part of the gold

725
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,960
sharing.
I appreciate that.

726
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,360
And yeah, what I just put here
on the video chat, I was saying,

727
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,600
yes, setting reasonable
benchmarks for yourself 100%

728
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,640
that, you know, I don't even
realize that I do that

729
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,920
sometimes.
And you calling it out helped me

730
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,120
just connect with that.
When I do see those download

731
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,880
numbers, when I open up my
Spotify for creators, I do think

732
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,680
about it like, OK, we've made an
incremental improvement.

733
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,440
We, we are seeing it might be
5%, but I'm starting to see, OK,

734
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,480
there's a 5%.
And then I start to set those,

735
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,480
those reasonable benchmarks,
right?

736
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,560
Let's say the number is 200
downloads that I've been seeing

737
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,920
consistently for a while.
Well, then all of a sudden if

738
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:20,440
I'm starting to notice 220-5240
and I'm starting to see that

739
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,080
more consistently or I'm setting
that as the goal to see that

740
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,800
more consistently, it feels a
lot easier, right?

741
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,640
I'm not just sitting here saying
I've got to get to 10,000.

742
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,760
It's just not, it's not
realistic to think that way

743
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,640
because it just burns you out
and wears you down over time

744
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,920
because it takes a while for a
lot of us to get to that kind of

745
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,200
number, if at if at all.
Yeah.

746
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,680
Ralph, what did you want to say?
Yeah, I want to go to Nikki too,

747
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,000
but I just wanted to say
something that John said.

748
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,360
He says I still believe in Word
of mouth, the best advertisement

749
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,440
and he talks about how I
mentioned this show.

750
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,520
Just think about how impactful
that is.

751
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,600
If all of us mention this show
to the people in our social

752
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,160
circles, this show will grow
immensely.

753
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,920
Do the same thing with your
pockets.

754
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,800
I laughed yesterday.
I wore a shirt that said ask me

755
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,600
about my podcast.
But that's because I wanted to

756
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,120
reach one person.
But like John said, thank you

757
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,080
for saying that, John.
Reach out with one.

758
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,360
You know, just talk to one
person.

759
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,480
Share what you're enjoying,
share what you're doing.

760
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,520
I think it's huge.
But Nikki wanted to make another

761
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,160
comment.
Mark.

762
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,320
Yep, go ahead, Nikki.
Yeah.

763
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,160
I was going to make another
comment and the comment is that

764
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,880
if you, it's a metaphor, but if
you plant a seed, OK, If you

765
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,240
plant a seed, you have to know
that seed is going to grow.

766
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,880
You have to know it.
That's a really important thing.

767
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,200
And when you plant the seed and
you're confident that it is

768
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:45,480
going to grow, then the success
that you're after is going to,

769
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,960
it's going to seem like it's
coming so fast, especially when

770
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,480
it does finally sprout.
Because you always knew that it

771
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,240
would.
You always knew that it was

772
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,760
going to be successful.
Even Chris, like with the World

773
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,320
Cup coming up, one of the
interviews I was listening to

774
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,560
Cristiano Ronaldo, he said that
as a child, he always knew that

775
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,960
he was going to be successful.
There was never any doubt.

776
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,120
So when it comes to your podcast
or whatever it is that you feel

777
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,160
really good doing, know that
it's going to be, it's going to

778
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,360
be great, it is going to turn
out to be successful.

779
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,160
But you can't force a seed to
grow in your timeline.

780
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,120
You can't say, well, I want to
have this many downloads by this

781
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,840
date because immediately that it
doesn't even make any logical or

782
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,560
rational sense because you have
no idea what your own personal

783
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,360
timeline is for success.
And who's to say that the time

784
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,640
frame that you picked isn't
absolute because maybe there was

785
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,240
something the very next day that
you were going to get, but you

786
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:48,280
set the deadline for today and
you now you've missed out on the

787
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,680
opportunity for tomorrow because
you didn't even know, you had no

788
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,840
idea.
So setting timelines and things

789
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,600
like that, it automatically puts
you in a state of anxiety.

790
00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:59,760
It for most people, I'm not
going to say for everybody, but

791
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,680
typically I know for me, it puts
you in a state of anxiety.

792
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,400
And if I plant a seed, an actual
seed, I can't tell that seed,

793
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,520
OK, I want you to grow by next
week.

794
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,240
It doesn't doesn't make any
sense.

795
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:13,520
So you have to know that you are
going to be successful.

796
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,840
And when you do know that, then
everything starts to come a lot

797
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,520
faster than what you expected.
It would anyone noticing a theme

798
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,920
here with seeds and roots and
trees?

799
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,120
Lots of.
Well, it is springtime, my

800
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,560
friend.
It is springtime, Janae.

801
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,480
We are getting ready for our
gardens.

802
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,120
That is hilarious.
Yeah.

803
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,840
And so true.
Nikki, again, thank you for the

804
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,000
words of wisdom.
And I am.

805
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,440
I am refusing to believe that
we're not going to have you

806
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,560
around at once.
We move to the 8:00 AM hour.

807
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,840
And I know that you said at
least we've got you for the

808
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,280
summer.
Is that right?

809
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,760
Well, I guess she couldn't get
back off of off Mike.

810
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,800
OK.
But she told me that summertime.

811
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,160
Is there?
I thought it was off.

812
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,240
Like my fault.
I thought it was off mic.

813
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,920
Yeah, well, and during the
summertime, I'll be here.

814
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,360
But my classes, they start at
8:00 AM, and students are

815
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,000
actually rolling in right now,
so I'll see if I can pop in

816
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,920
every once in a while.
But I'm definitely going to miss

817
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,240
you guys.
But over the summer, it'll be

818
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:07,680
all right, so it's all going to
work out.

819
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,840
OK, yes.
And of course, that is one

820
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,880
reason why we do this as a
podcast too, is that so people

821
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,000
who can't make it live have a
way to still connect with us.

822
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,160
OK, did anyone else want to
comment on this?

823
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,840
DRI See, your hand is up.
Did you want to comment before

824
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,200
we get to wins?
Well, yeah, right before we get

825
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,600
to wins, I wanted to comment on
Ralph's T-shirt yesterday and he

826
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,720
brought it up again today.
What is it?

827
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:34,200
Ask me about my podcast.
Well, a couple months ago I used

828
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:40,120
that as inspiration and I had AT
shirt made that says tell me

829
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:45,240
about your podcast and
underneath it says I will rate

830
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,480
like and follow.
So since I'm a podcast producer,

831
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,120
yeah, I thought that this might,
you know, maybe get some

832
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,280
conversation going.
So I just wanted to say that I

833
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,560
used that as inspiration.
I love it, I love it.

834
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,360
That is a great idea.
Great way to network with people

835
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,000
as well.
Yeah, Although I would say you

836
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,480
may not.
Well, I'm joking because it

837
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,680
actually would be a good idea.
It's going to say if you walk

838
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,840
into a big podcasting
conference, you're going to get

839
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,320
overwhelmed with people.
But I guess that's the idea,

840
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,440
right, Because we want to
connect with as many of them as

841
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,040
we can.
Yeah, that's cool.

842
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,760
Thank you for sharing that
little tidbit, that networking

843
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:32,640
tip.
Appreciate that, Dr. Let's do it

844
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,840
wins from the week.
So this is where we all take a

845
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,800
look back at this past week and
share and celebrate with one

846
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,520
another those things that we
were able to accomplish.

847
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,200
No such thing as something being
too big, too small.

848
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,040
It's just a matter of
celebrating what your win is.

849
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,840
If it's a win to you, it's worth
celebrating.

850
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,200
So that's what we're going to do
this morning.

851
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,000
And you know what?
I'm going to start.

852
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,080
I figure why not?
And yes, please, if you are

853
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,160
listening live.
And by the way, shout out to

854
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,400
somebody watching live right now
who's been participating in the

855
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,240
video chat over on YouTube.
Adam Tech Tools.

856
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,680
Thank you for being here all
morning long and participating.

857
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,880
Adam was sharing with us earlier
how here I'll just tell you, he

858
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,320
was saying that he and his Co
host decided to put their

859
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,360
podcast on hold until they
restructure.

860
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,280
He said that they jumped in and
had a wonderful time doing

861
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,640
episodes without having a plan.
They were just doing it for pure

862
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,600
joy.
And I asked him if they have a

863
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,800
plan as far as how long they're
going to give themselves.

864
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,840
And he said there is no plan
right now and he might even just

865
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,760
go take it solo for a little
while.

866
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,240
So I applaud you for really
trying to keep this thing going.

867
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:48,240
If like we were saying, if it's
something you enjoy, by all

868
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,760
means find a way to get it done,
even if it looks a little

869
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,520
different than what you thought
about initially.

870
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,920
So with that, I am celebrating
for this week.

871
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,000
Of course, I have to say episode
500 in two ways.

872
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,960
One, I'm just celebrating the
fact that we got through 500

873
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,320
plus episodes.
That in itself is worth

874
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,040
celebrating.
And I'm also celebrating how

875
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,040
well that episode went.
Episode 500, You know, there

876
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,840
are, I often think about all the
different angles of the

877
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,200
different topics that we do on
this show, you know, good, bad

878
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,280
and indifferent.
And I was worried that with

879
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,120
newer listeners that they
wouldn't really care about

880
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,280
hearing some of the old voices
that they're not familiar with.

881
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,640
I was worried they would just
find that boring.

882
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,800
And I've gotten some early
feedback from a few different

883
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,040
people who have said, you know,
I've been listening to the show,

884
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,880
but I haven't been listening to
it since episode 1.

885
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,160
And a lot of those voices I
didn't know, but I really

886
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,360
enjoyed hearing them anyway.
I heard, I enjoyed hearing them

887
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,400
come back, share their stories,
share their gratitude for this

888
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,960
community.
So it ended up being something

889
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,520
that worked out really well.
And I'm really proud of that

890
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,120
episode.
We've made it a featured episode

891
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,680
over at Podcasting Morning
chat.com as well.

892
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,360
And so thank you.
I celebrate that win with each

893
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,040
and everyone of you because this
show does not happen just

894
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,920
because of me by any stretch.
This show happens because of

895
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,240
everybody that's here today and
that's been a part of this show

896
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:19,720
in some way, shape or form over
the years.

897
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,920
So thank you for all that.
Also celebrating the official

898
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,480
decision to finally change the
name of this show from

899
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,000
podcasting morning chat to
podcasting morning show and also

900
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,720
that time change.
So I'm celebrating those.

901
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:37,320
And finally, I'm celebrating my
appearance, my recording with

902
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,320
Dave, Dave Campbell yesterday on
his show.

903
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,520
I told him during the show and
after the show.

904
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,480
And I was telling my wife this
yesterday as well.

905
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,360
Probably.
No.

906
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:54,600
I'm going to say it was the best
introduction and closing I've

907
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,240
ever received.
I mean, the kind words and the

908
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:03,920
way that Dave really captured
how I perceive myself to others,

909
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,840
it just blew my mind.
And by the way, the questions

910
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,760
that he asked, the conversation
that we had just, it was so well

911
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,400
done.
It was so natural and it was

912
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,720
probably the deepest I've gone
publicly about my ADHD.

913
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,600
So I really look forward to that
coming out.

914
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,920
Dave, you'll have to let us know
when that comes out.

915
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,120
Thank you.
I celebrate that win with you,

916
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,160
Sir.
And I'm going to pass the baton

917
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,080
to our guests on stage first.
And I'm going to ask everybody,

918
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,760
try to keep these concise if you
can because we don't have a ton

919
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,720
of time left.
But with that, Nikki, the floor

920
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:42,920
is yours.
Do you want to share a win?

921
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,240
You may not be able to because I
know you had students walking

922
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:47,160
in.
Let's see, can do you want to

923
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,960
share?
OK, that's what I thought.

924
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:53,160
OK, let's go to Janae.
Janae, please keep them tight,

925
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,560
but please share away.
Go for it.

926
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,120
Good morning.
Two quick wins.

927
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,040
One last week at military
creator Con, I met a gentleman

928
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,400
and this actually relates to
don't quit yet topic as well.

929
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,040
Awesome.
And he said, you know, I finally

930
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,840
started recording a podcast.
He reported a podcast and if he

931
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,160
just had a phone and then when
you saw our set up at the event,

932
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,360
he's like, Oh my God, have I got
shoes to fill?

933
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,200
And then he said to him that I
told him, you know, I'm glad

934
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,800
that you started because that's
the hardest thing that you got

935
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,120
to do.
So that was an amazing win.

936
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,280
And then the comment he posted
about it on LinkedIn.

937
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,840
The second win was I revamped a
studio for a local friend of

938
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,640
mine and we are going to be
turning it on today.

939
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,440
So excited for all of those
wins.

940
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,480
Thanks guys.
Thank you, Janae.

941
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,840
And I'll just say it to
everybody.

942
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,440
I'm not going to sit and comment
on everybody's wins this

943
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,760
morning, but I will say
congratulations.

944
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,960
What an awesome win and I love
that it tied into today's topic.

945
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,120
Thank you, Janae Sambaza, you're
up.

946
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,480
You want to share a win with us?
Oh sure, that's why I came up.

947
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,360
Hey, I want to good morning.
Good morning.

948
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,240
How you doing today?
I'm doing well.

949
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,080
I'm happy that you're here man.
Please share.

950
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,720
OK, so she's just like today,
she's going for her last dance

951
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,440
for the before she goes to high
school.

952
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,760
So we're going to celebrate
that.

953
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,200
What I wanted to say, Mark,
congratulations first of all for

954
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,440
your 500 plus episodes.
I know this was my first show

955
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,920
that I got into clubhouse and
I've stuck with it and thank you

956
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,720
so much for keeping it going.
You're.

957
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,440
Welcome.
Do appreciate that.

958
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,320
Lastly, I wanted to say, you
know, we always.

959
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,000
Assume that you know things are
not as they are.

960
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,640
But we don't realize how many
people do listen to the shows.

961
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,880
And like everyone here says,
hey, I know my show is going out

962
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,600
there and I don't know people
listening in.

963
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,920
Well, story short, I do this
challenge where the 30 day

964
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,440
challenge where I work on
podcasts out of out of Africa

965
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:51,880
where I just study them and then
kind of give them a review.

966
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,760
No bad reviews, just great
reviews and just talk about it.

967
00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:00,160
And I did 1 and somebody was so
excited about that and did an

968
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:05,080
episode, reviewed my podcast
from there and also I got some

969
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,240
new subscribers from it.
What this goes to show is that,

970
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:12,080
you know, whenever we feel like
it's not working or things are

971
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,320
just, you know, you know, you're
not getting any feedback,

972
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,320
there's somebody out there
that's listening.

973
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,400
And that was the win for me.
And thank you so much for

974
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,920
allowing me to speak and y'all
have a blessed weekend.

975
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,200
Thank you, Simbaza.
You too.

976
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,720
And yeah, I'll celebrate with
you the fact that this was your

977
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:32,240
first show here on Clubhouse and
you still are part of this

978
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,880
community in such a big way.
We appreciate having you here,

979
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,200
Sambaza.
Thank you for that.

980
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,080
All right, Brian, coming to you.
Good morning.

981
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,040
Welcome back to the stage.
Do you want to share a win with

982
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,560
us?
Yes, Mark, good morning.

983
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:50,720
This kind of ties into what
Nikki was saying of not having

984
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:55,080
expect expectations for
downloads of a podcast.

985
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:01,600
By when was that on the rss.com?
It told me that I had 25

986
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,880
downloads this week on at least
on that website.

987
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:11,640
I don't know if that meant Apple
Podcasts as well, but I'm, I'm

988
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,680
not that kind of an expert at
finding statistics like that,

989
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,680
but that is a win for me because
I had, I really had no

990
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,400
expectations for anybody
downloading my show.

991
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,600
So that's it from me.
Congratulations, Brian.

992
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,720
That is awesome.
And I think it's a great

993
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:34,480
contribution to the conversation
that we've had today.

994
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,200
Right?
You didn't set your bar too high

995
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,120
and you're taking this as a win.
And I think it is absolutely a

996
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,920
win.
I know that you've been doing

997
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,480
your show on YouTube for a while
and he just recently put it out

998
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,960
as a podcast.
So that is 100% a win.

999
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,200
Thank you for sharing that this
morning with us.

1000
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,160
And also Speaking of Adam Tech
Tools that we called out

1001
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,280
earlier, he said he has a win
this week.

1002
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,760
He received a new follower on
Sub Stack who liked what he

1003
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,440
wrote and is asking him.
It is wonderful that someone not

1004
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,840
only read his work but wants
more.

1005
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,280
That's from Adam Tech tools.
Thank you for sharing that,

1006
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,600
Adam.
Now I'll go to the moderators.

1007
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,160
I see BC wanted to chime in.
He's got his hand up here on the

1008
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,880
video stream.
Go for it BC.

1009
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,760
Yes, Sir.
And I'll say one win is that you

1010
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,800
stayed awake the whole day
today.

1011
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,120
That I did that I did.
This is a follow up from 2 weeks

1012
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,360
ago.
I got reached out to by that

1013
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,760
luxury apartment complex that
wanted to build a podcasting

1014
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,920
studio.
Updates is that we got the

1015
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,360
project approved, got the budget
approved, so we are officially a

1016
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,440
go.
I sent a first invoice.

1017
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,120
So once that gets sent back,
we're going to kick it off.

1018
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,600
And I'm really hopeful if I do
this project right, then this is

1019
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,840
a service I can really kind of
own in Charlotte.

1020
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,560
I don't think really anybody
else offers this service.

1021
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,920
So super excited.
Lookout Noda for a brand new

1022
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,760
podcasting studio coming your
way June July of 2026.

1023
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,720
That is exciting.
That means BC.

1024
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,920
Then that means it technically
could be ready by empowered

1025
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,240
podcasting.
It could be, it should be that's

1026
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:10,200
they want to launch by July, by
the latest.

1027
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,120
That's fascinating.
So maybe I'll get to come and

1028
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,040
get a tour, personal tour from
you.

1029
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,040
Absolutely.
I would love that.

1030
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,320
Congratulations.
That is really exciting.

1031
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,800
And I also know, and I know I
said I'm not going to comment on

1032
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,800
everybody's, but I did want to
say like you have shared with

1033
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,840
us, like, you know, since you've
graduated, got your masters,

1034
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,720
it's been a struggle trying to
get some business going.

1035
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,520
And it's great to see that you
stuck with it and an opportunity

1036
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,320
presented itself.
And that's another good reason,

1037
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,520
sticking with things even when
they're hard.

1038
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,520
Sometimes it's that very moment
that once we feel like we're at

1039
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,400
our wit's end, that all of a
sudden and a new opportunity

1040
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,480
arises.
So thank you for being a great

1041
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,280
example.
Let this be a lesson.

1042
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,760
Every now and then take the
random phone call.

1043
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,280
Yes, you don't know what's on
the other side of it.

1044
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,440
Agreed.
Thank you BC appreciate that.

1045
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,280
Ralph, you're up.
Yeah, quick win.

1046
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,080
I'm launching my live show on
May 1st, 1:00 PM on Clubhouse

1047
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,920
because of all the fun times
I've had over here.

1048
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:09,200
We're getting all the Ecam
scenes set up.

1049
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,240
So that's my win for this week,
just getting it all and ready to

1050
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:13,480
go.
We've got all the publicity

1051
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,280
going for that.
So thank you, Mark.

1052
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,880
Yeah, thank you, Dr. Go for it
and congratulations, Ralph.

1053
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,280
Go for it, Dr. Well, as I've
said before, I've kind of

1054
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,520
wrapped ramped up my networking
game and I've been meeting with

1055
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,120
people one-on-one.
Someone I met yesterday has

1056
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,840
turned me on to a feature that
LinkedIn has.

1057
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:39,160
It's called my most trusted.
And if you don't know what this

1058
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,120
is, pull it up on YouTube.
Put it in YouTube.

1059
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:49,120
It is amazing.
It uses AI, but the insights

1060
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:54,200
that it gives you is amazing.
It's amazing and it's giving me

1061
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,840
a new tool basically to play
with, but I am going to be

1062
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,360
utilizing this.
It's there's it's an extension

1063
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,280
for Chrome and also people who
are on Edge.

1064
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,560
You can get it too.
That's what I do, but I am.

1065
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,440
I am just bowled over at this.
It's not a new feature,

1066
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,400
apparently it's been around for
a long time.

1067
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,280
I just found out about it
yesterday, so I'm going to have

1068
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,920
fun with it.
My most trusted.

1069
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,040
Thank you, Dr. Congratulations.
That's a good little tip as

1070
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:23,800
well.
Thank you.

1071
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,040
I will definitely check that
out.

1072
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,600
And let's see Sid, got any wins
to share?

1073
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:31,960
Maybe a couple?
Yes.

1074
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,880
So my first win, I think I said
last week to you, but finally on

1075
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,240
Tuesday after 5 1/2 years, I got
to meet the amazing Stacy

1076
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:45,560
Sherman in person.
And wow, it's just so great to

1077
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,760
actually get a hug from Stacy
after I've been connected with

1078
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,880
her.
We talk offline a lot, we

1079
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,120
support each other, We have
phone calls, we have Zoom calls.

1080
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,880
And so it's just really great to
finally meet Stacy in person.

1081
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,960
And, you know, my second win is
that I got to come to this

1082
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,440
amazing event nestled in the
foothills of the Smoky Mountains

1083
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,000
just outside of Knoxville and
meet, you know, 40 people.

1084
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,200
It's only here is 40 people.
And it definitely was an

1085
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,280
immersion about marketing,
business growth, AI.

1086
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:18,120
And so I'm walking away with
lots of ideas and a lot of new

1087
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,880
friends and connections.
So being here was a really,

1088
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,000
really great decision for me.
So those are mine for the week.

1089
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,600
Thank you, Sid.
Congratulations.

1090
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,640
Awesome.
I'm so happy you and Stacey

1091
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,840
finally got to meet face to face
after all these years being

1092
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,880
within this community and of
course, the friendship you guys

1093
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,640
have developed outside of this
community.

1094
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,400
It's so cool to hear.
Mark, real quick.

1095
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:39,680
Yeah, thank you.
Real quick.

1096
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,840
I hardly got to talk to Stacey
really, because somebody would

1097
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,000
pull her over here to talk.
Somebody would come pull me over

1098
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,680
here to talk.
And so last night, if you're

1099
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,440
hugging goodbye cuz she left at
like 5:00 this morning, she

1100
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,680
goes, I guess I'm just gonna
have to call you next week and

1101
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,440
we're gonna have to do a walk
and talk so we can catch up

1102
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,920
because we didn't.
Get this did a lot of time.

1103
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,960
Together.
But I did get to be around her

1104
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:01,720
and most importantly, get the
neck hugs.

1105
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,560
Yeah, yeah, that's hilarious.
Well, I'm glad, Yeah, I'm glad

1106
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,080
you guys got a little bit of
time.

1107
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,680
And yeah, you guys talk all the
time anyway, so I'm glad that

1108
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,640
all worked out.
And all right, listen.

1109
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,720
Oh, and by the way, thank you to
Adam Tech Tools for putting in

1110
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,400
the chat on YouTube that he
hearing everyone's wins is

1111
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,240
inspiring and he's
congratulating all of you.

1112
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,600
So, yeah, thank you, Adam.
Appreciate that.

1113
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,560
And hey, listen, if this whole
week has been helpful to you or

1114
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,040
any part of it, it's been
helpful to you and you want to

1115
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,720
find a way to support us here at
the Podcasting Morning chat,

1116
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,920
please go to
podcastingmorningchat.com/support.

1117
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,080
You can buy us a coffee.
We have Buy me a coffee on

1118
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,480
there.
Or if you don't feel like doing

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We would greatly appreciate it.
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back into growing this show.
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their Obsession Worthy podcast.
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listen along this weekend and
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conversation on Monday.
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you and get get you up to speed
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So until Monday, make it a great
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