470. Why Your Podcast Needs a Pre-Interview

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Tuesday, March 10th,
2026 and today mastering the

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podcast Pre Interview.
We're running live mock

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sessions, spotting the mistakes
that hosts make and revealing

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what every pre interview should
uncover before you ever hit

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record.
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Thanks for being here.
Good morning again, podcasting,

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Morning Chat.
Thank you so much for being

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here.
I am your host, Mark Roddick and

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currently on stage with me.
It's a full house here.

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This morning we have producer
Ashley, Dr. Fay, Ralph Estep,

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Jonathan Howard, Sid Meadows,
Matt Bliss, Nick Naulback, Alex

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Baelish, and Tide AKA Nikki is
on stage with us as well.

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Thank you all for being here.
Thank you all for holding down

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the Fort for me once again
yesterday.

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Appreciate that.
And yeah, it's just still

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dealing with the sleep issues.
They are getting better overall,

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but there's just usually now it
seems like 1-2 nights a week or

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so I just can't fall asleep.
And that was what happened

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leading into Monday morning.
I virtually had no sleep leading

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up to Showtime.
We're all probably leading up

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till about 5:00 in the morning
or so.

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That was when I finally was able
to get some actual sleep.

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So I appreciate you all holding
down the Fort.

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Yesterday I even texted Alex to
say thank you for jumping in in

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the morning and yesterday and
Alex got confused with my text.

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He thought I was scolding him
for some reason, but no, I

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wasn't scolding him.
I was just sometimes I like to

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reach out to you guys
individually and say thank you

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and that's what I was doing
there yesterday.

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All right, so today we are going
to get into a little game

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playing if you will.
We last week we started talking

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a lot about the value of the pre
interview because we had a

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mailbag question about a guest
that was constantly promoting

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their book or their app or
whatever it was.

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And that led us to those
discussions about pre interviews

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that maybe that could have been
avoided in a pre interview.

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And so here's how I want to do
this.

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Let's first define what a pre
interview is.

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Let's reset a little bit because
we can't assume that everybody

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heard last week's show.
So we'll talk a little bit about

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what it is.
I know we have at least one

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person on this stage who isn't a
fan of the pre interview, so

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we'll find out both sides of
that coin.

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So yeah, let's start.
Who would like to go first?

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What is a pre interview to you?
What does it mean to you?

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We might all have different
definitions of it.

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Let's go to Dr. first.
Go ahead, Dr. Good morning.

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Hi good morning.
So for me, a pre interview is to

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make sure that the guest and I
are on the same page, that I'm

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hoping that the guest has heard
a couple of the episodes and

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that they kind of get a sense of
flavor of what the show is

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about, the tone of the show,
maybe who the audience is and

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they are in step with, you know,
giving the audience as much

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value as possible.
Thank you, Dr. Yeah, And one

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thing that caught my ear that
you had said you'd said, you

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know, you hope that they'll
they've listened to a couple of

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episodes before even the pre
interview.

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And I think that this is where
you also have that opportunity

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to find that out.
So there's twofold in as far as

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opportunities go.
A It's yeah, let let's see if

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they've actually listened to any
of your shows.

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But B, if they haven't, this is
your chance, their chance to get

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to know you on a personal level
a little bit more, right?

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If they haven't listened, they
don't really get a good feel for

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you yet.
They don't really have a good

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feel for the show.
Having the pre interview creates

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that rapport.
It sets up a little bit of

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chemistry.
There is some value to that too

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it.
Also gives me a chance to see if

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they are strictly about self
promotion or if there is some

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value in there.
That's kind of the subtext of it

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though, You know, that's not,
I'm not going to say, hey, I

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want to find out, you know, what
your, what your goal is here.

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I, I don't want to say that, but
I want to.

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It's a vibe thing, you know what
I mean?

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Absolutely.
Yeah, I see lots of people want

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to chime in.
I'm going to go to Sid first,

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then Ralph, then Nick.
If my memory holds up and I

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remember to do all that, go
ahead Sid.

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And my goal of the pre interview
is a couple of old one is to get

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to know the person.
I want to get to know them just

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a little bit, hear a little bit
about their story.

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I want to try to understand it
is that would be best direction

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to take the show.
Now 99.9% of the people that I

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have in my pre interviews are
people I have invited to be on

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the show.
I take very few random PR

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promoted people to be on my show
because they're typically not a

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mix.
I got 5 last week and none of

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them are a mix or a fit for the
show because my show's so niche,

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right?
They have nothing to do with

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Office Vercher So I don't really
take very many of them, but I

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want to get to know them.
I want to understand what their

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insights are about the industry.
What are they doing that's

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different or that's changed
their business?

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How are they moving their
business forward?

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And then I don't require that
they have listened to my show in

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the past.
I asked them, it's one of the

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first questions I asked them,
have they ever listened to the

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show?
And if they say yes, so we have

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a great chat about the show.
If they say no and then by the

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end of the show, I actually make
a couple of recommendations of

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episodes that would be similar
to theirs for them to go listen

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to.
I typically will drop the links

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into the Zoom chat so that they
can grab that link really easily

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and go listen to the show.
But I'm looking to also create

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the structure of the show.
Like what are the three or four

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things I want to talk about?
And typically I always start

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with you like who are you?
What do you do?

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What brought you into the
industry?

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Those kinds of things.
So I try to always start the

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person 1st and then dive into
the things that they're doing

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that are making a difference in
their business.

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OK, Thank you, Sid.
And I like that nice touch

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there.
As far as finding a few episodes

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that relates closely to that
guest or as best you can anyway,

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I think that's a great idea as
opposed to just saying, oh, I

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would really like you to go
listen to my show.

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You know, go find it and pick an
episode and listen, right?

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At least now you're giving them
something that they can sink

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their teeth into that they'd
actually may have some interest

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in and might get those juices
flowing for that guest before

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they come jump on your show.
So yeah, I appreciate that.

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Thank you.
Yeah, think the more work that

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you make for the guests, the
less likely they're going to

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enjoy it or want to do it.
And so I just try to make it

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super easy.
So if you're ACEO and I'm

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interviewing you for ACEO chat,
I'm going to recommend that you

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listen to one of my CEO chats
because that's something you're

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going to identify.
You're going to understand the

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type of questions that I ask as
CEO.

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I'm not going to send you an
episode about AI if you're ACEO,

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I'm going to direct you to
something that's more similar to

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what your episode would be like.
Yep.

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Thank you, Sid.
Appreciate that.

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Now let's check in with Ralph
and then we're going to check in

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with Nick and Alex.
Go ahead, Ralph.

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Good morning.
Good morning everybody.

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So I think the main goal with
the pre interview is you want to

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vet this person with your gold.
And what I mean by that is

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you've build up this audience
that is your gold.

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And you want to make sure that
before you bring somebody into

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your atmosphere where you've to
these people, that they're going

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to be a good fit for your
audience and they're going to

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bring value to your audience.
That to me, there's a lot of

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other things we do in a pre
interview, but to me, the big

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hairy audacious goal is to make
sure that this person is going

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to bring value to my audience.
This person is going to sync

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with my audience that I'm not
going to let them in.

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I think it kind of like the
gatekeeper, if you will, they're

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going to, you're going to gate
keep because you've spent so

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much time, blood, sweat, tears
and effort in building your your

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audience.
And you don't want to bring

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somebody into that that's going
to destroy that or or mess it up

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or not bring value to your
audience, Mark.

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So I think that is like 30,000
foot view, the big thing we want

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to accomplish.
There's a lot of nuanced things

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within that and I think Sid
nailed it.

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But I think that the bigger
goal, like the big, the big goal

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is to make sure they're a good
fit for your audience.

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Because people will send you
pitches and there's PR.

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People are out there that'll get
on their radar and they do a

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good job of using AI to do all
that kind of stuff.

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But you really need to to get
and dig in to understand what

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they're going to bring in value
to your audience.

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Thank you, Ralph.
I appreciate that.

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And a reminder, if you're
wondering, we are going to do

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some mock pre interviews to
share some examples of how other

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podcasters do it.
We'll even maybe try to create a

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little bit of role-playing here
and actually get a little

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creative with this as well.
So we'll see how that turns out.

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First, let me check in with
Nick, who I know wanted to share

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something as well.
Good morning to you, Nick.

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I usually would look at the pre
interviews as a three-part

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process and the first part is,
as other people have mentioned,

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like you get a good feel for how
the guest is going to fit into

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your show.
Obviously with one call sheets

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and like Ralph was saying with
promoters and things like that,

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like you only get so much of the
picture.

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And I kind of think of the one
call sheets and all that as like

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a resume for a job.
You Get the facts down on paper,

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but everyone likes to pretty up
the facts and make them look as

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good as possible.
So getting them on a call and

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having a conversation with them
allows you to get a better feel

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for the things they have on that
resume.

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It also serves point #2 as kind
of like a vetting screening

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process.
So yes, I bring you on to the

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pre interview, but we don't
necessarily have an interview

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locked down at that point yet
because I still don't know if

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you're a good fit.
Everything might look good on

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paper, but if we get on a call
and we don't have a a good

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connection there or I don't
think it's going to be a good

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fit for my audience, that's
where I can say, OK, yeah, this

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probably isn't going to work out
right now.

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And then the third and final
point that I really like the

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previews for is for Breaking the
ice because it's really hard to

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just jump into a conversation
not having ever talked to a

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person before and like feeling
like, you know, each other and

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the audience themselves can
sense that as well.

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Like we've all talked about
podcasts where you're like, Oh

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yeah, the the guest in the host
had really good chemistry.

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Having that really in chemistry
is difficult.

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A lot of times when you've never
spoken to the person before,

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really have a sense of who they
are.

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So those are kind of the the
three goals I always went into

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with a pre interview.
Love that.

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Thank you, Nick.
I think you really hit the nail

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on the head here.
A lot of people agreeing with

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you.
I've seen seeing head nods here

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on the video, it says some 100%
emojis being flashed here.

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I'm going to quickly just jump
their line real quick and go to

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Nikki.
I know Nikki wants to chime in

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and then I'm checking back in
with you, Alex.

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Then I got to keep, I want to
keep this moving too.

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I think we've pretty much
defined what this is.

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Let's see where what Nikki has
to say about it.

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Go ahead, Nikki.
Good morning.

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I was going to say that it was
really scary for me to have to

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turn someone down.
I knew I was doing the pre

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interview for all of the reasons
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I was vetting people.
I was making sure that they had

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something to say.
It was a vibe check, you know

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the whole thing.
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was extremely nice and very,
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She was in the middle of a

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career transition and all she
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her book.
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substance behind it.
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questions about her life and
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experience to the story, she did
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that was.
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was the case.
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lot out of her in the interview.
I will intentionally ask some

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questions where I can push
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push people's buttons a little
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challenged and to see if they
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vulnerable or whatever the case
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So I told her, I said, I don't
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right now, but why don't we
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maybe six months or so and see
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stumbling over her words.
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rambling when she was talking to
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She knew it just as well as I

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So it was a very scary moment

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that I had to turn her down to
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But I did it anyway for the good
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audience and for her own good.
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her personalized feedback on
what I thought the show really

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what would enhance the show if
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would be the best angle for us
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And I told her those things.
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figure that piece out, I said
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And she really knows.
Very gracious.

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There are times when you do have
to turn somebody down.

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And I think it's important to be
prepared for that.

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I agree because it can be really
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It almost feels like you're
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Or it's like you went on your
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thanks, but no thanks.
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can make us uncomfortable.
So I appreciate you sharing how

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you do that.
And maybe Tide, if you have some

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time during this part of the
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participate in one of these mock
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mock pre interviews as well.
I'd love for you to do that.

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All right, Let's see here, Mark.
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You have one more thing to add
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OK.
And I'm really, I'm really

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surprised at this.
There are 12345678 podcasters on

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this stage.
Yes.

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And not not counting me. 9
counting me because I didn't

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count Nick because he doesn't
officially have a podcast right

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now.
Not a single one of you

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mentioned equipment check and
that surprises me.

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I was going to say that, but I
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Sid, sorry.
No, not implied.

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Not implied.
I think that's a great point,

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Sid.
Matt, do you want to chime in on

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that?
I personally don't think the

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equipment check is as important
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we've talked about so far.
And I think if we said like if

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we said we'd do it even in the
last episode, we mentioned like

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there's Chuck it in the e-mail,
it's easier to describe what a

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quiet environment is and making
sure that you don't sit right

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next to the cement mixer that
you have running in the backyard

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when you're recording the
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I do think it's implied.
But I say that as someone who

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has a bit of a technical bias
and likes to share the

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riverside.com/test Dash me or
whatever that testing URL is.

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I tend to include that in the
post.

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That's a smart one.
Yeah, that's a smart one.

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Let's we got to find the exact
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think that can be handy for a
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I'm with you Matt, because a lot
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pre interview from a different
place where they intend to do

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the actual interview.
So it might be hard to do that

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equipment test, but I do think
it's at least worth sharing some

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things with them to make sure
like OK, like I do like to say,

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is this where you're going to be
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You know, when we do the pre
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then that's my opportunity.
If the sound doesn't sound

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great, if there's something off,
I can at least call it out there

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so that they have that awareness
going into the actual interview.

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But I think providing an actual
checklist for them that they can

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have on paper and run through
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record with you.
I think that would be a really

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important, important piece of
that puzzle for sure.

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Jonathan I know it it that you
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wanted to hear how come would
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I think there's a couple reasons
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One of them is I use pod match
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use the hell out of pod match.
I will go back and forth with

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yes, I will, you know, I expect
them to pitch what they want to

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talk about and how they want to,
you know, structure it And I, I

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will send them previous like
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10 minutes.
My my interviews 1015 minutes is

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really all I'm doing with them.
One, I don't like to overthink

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it and pre interviews make me
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And two, it keeps it natural.
I keep it really tight and it

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just seems to work much better
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I've done a couple pre
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the episodes.
The other thing is I don't

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promise anybody that after an
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air.
If it doesn't work out, it

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doesn't work for my show.
I'll let him know after, you

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know.
Hey, sorry.

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Thanks for being with me.
Love to maybe do something

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later.
We'll keep this recording.

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If you want it, you can use it,
but you know it may not go up on

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my show.
To each their own, right?

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Like if that it's something that
you just aren't comfortable

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with, then so be it.
As long as you think you can put

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on a a good interview without
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And I know Jonathan does put on
great interviews, the ones that

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I've heard, so it's working for
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I can't tell him, Oh well,
you're doing it wrong.

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He's found his style and I know
that look, I'm looking here on

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stage.
Maybe a couple of you remember

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Chuck Taylor.
Chuck Taylor was a regular in

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the, I'd say first couple years
of the podcasting morning chat

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that at least my version of it.
And he commented, I put a clip

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out last week about the pre
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he disagreed.
Now Chuck is a 40 year radio

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veteran, right?
So his comment to me on that

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post was, if I'm being honest, I
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In more than 40 years of
interviewing, I've never once

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done a pre interview.
It's all about active versus

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passive listening, having a
conversation and knowing when to

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shut up and let your guests
talk.

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Now I agree with him that about
those that those, I think there

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are three there three ideas of
what it takes to put on a good

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interview.
But I still, first of all, don't

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believe that most podcasters
have the kind of experience and

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training that someone like Chuck
has.

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And that's actually what I told
him.

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And it's also whether he does it
or not.

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I know from being in the TV and
radio industry over my career,

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pre interviews are still very
common now.

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Sometimes they're not done by
the hosts, sometimes it's a

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producer that's doing a pre
interview, but there are

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generally speaking, pre
interviews being done all the

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time with TV and radio.
So again, to each their own.

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Like I can't tell Chuck he's
wrong because he's had a very

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successful career in radio and
interviewed all sorts of people

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and from celebrities to what
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So I, I don't take that away
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we're talking about podcasting
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personally the pre interview is
invaluable.

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Matt, did you want to add
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you kind of briefly mentioned

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there that you can't fault
someone's experience and have it

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be incorrect.
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that stage, it falls into the IT
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that everyone's past experience
is going to inform the way that

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they approach the interview or
if they do a pre interview or

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not, which doesn't mean it's
right or wrong.

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And it also shows the issues of
trying to reduce a piece of

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advice to cover every single
possible scenario in a single

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sentence, when invariably it
doesn't or it can't because

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everyone's got their own bias,
none more so than before when I

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said I don't think about the
tech stuff.

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But that's my bias.
I've been doing technology stuff

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for 30 years.
Yeah, yeah.

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Thank you, Matt.
Alex, you want to chime in?

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I'm on the fence with the whole
pre interview thing because I've

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never been a pre.
I've had pre interviews, meaning

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I've been part of a pre
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And I just think that as a
independent podcaster, you don't

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want to see any surprises.
And I think that's what the main

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thing is.
But at the same time, you want

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to make an organic guest.
I get all that.

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But to what Nick's point is, you
want to have some kind of

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rapport and that's where the
rapport is built.

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But yeah, I'd be interested to
see how everybody does the mock

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pre interviews because it can go
a lot of different ways and you

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don't want to give out the good
stuff on a pre interview.

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But I guess it's the definition
of what a pre interview is that

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really makes it because I think
in this room there's a lot of

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different ways people think of a
pre interview.

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Like Matt said, he doesn't think
about the techie stuff where

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that's in a pre interview.
That's where I'm, I'm going

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towards, you know, the content
is kind of secondary to making

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sure everything works because we
deal with people that just

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aren't used to podcasting or
they're new to podcasting, or

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they just have their setup and
that's pretty much it.

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Or they might be using their
phone.

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I think the biggest argument you
can make for a pre interview is

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to build that rapport is it is a
chemistry builder.

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Even though there are some
podcasters that feel like it's

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the opposite, that they like
that idea of having the the

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conversation happen for the
first time on the recording.

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But I do believe having even if
it's 10 minutes with the person

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before the interview a few days
before, I think it there is

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something to be said about the
chemistry that it starts to

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build when you do actually sit
down and press record.

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OK, I want to keep things going
and I did see Tide put something

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in the chat here.
I did not see this Tide.

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Tide says.
Did you all see that video where

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a guy went to go for a job
interview at ATV station and the

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people thought that he was the
next guest on a segment and he

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just went along with it?
No, I did not see that and that

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sounds hilarious.
If you find that link Tide,

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please put it in the chat.
I'd love to put that in the show

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notes and see that for myself.
That's awesome.

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I love that.
OK, we're going to do a mock

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interview.
All right, so the idea, I think

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for this first one, we'll try to
do two or three.

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This first one here is to learn
the guest's main story.

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So someone's going to play a
host, someone's going to play a

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guest here from our team.
Maybe we'll, maybe the host

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wants to identify two or three
different talking points, Maybe

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clarifying the guest expertise
might be helpful and maybe you

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want to try to find a surprise
angle.

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Just you, you can do your thing.
But I'm just trying to give you

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some ideas, some thoughts as to
where you may want to go with

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this.
OK.

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And I'm going to say both people
can play themselves.

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And I would love for Matt, if
you would be the host on this

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one.
And Sid, I would love for you to

448
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,640
be the guest.
And I did prep this.

449
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,480
I did share with the both of
them.

450
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,360
Sid has been working on a
monetization strategy for

451
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:18,120
podcasters and all based on what
he's done with his own show for

452
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,280
his latest season.
And this is a real thing, like

453
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,400
he is actually developing this
system that he wants to share

454
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,640
with other podcasters.
So that will be the angle.

455
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,040
Sid, I'll let you explain a
little bit more just to set

456
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,560
things up for Matt.
And then Matt will do this as if

457
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,760
Sid's coming on your show.
And you're welcome to plug your

458
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,040
show while we're at it.
So Sid, first you want to just

459
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,000
briefly share the service that
you would be selling as Matt's

460
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,240
guest?
Matt, do you need me to do that?

461
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,280
Because you've been part of some
of the conversations where I've

462
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,760
talked about it.
How much do you need me to tell

463
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,040
you about it?
Honestly, zero.

464
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,840
I have an angle and I'd like to
share the process I go through

465
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,280
or I have gone through to get
guests on to rethinking

466
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,720
podcasting, if that's agreeable,
because I think it'll take off

467
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,840
what you mentioned, Mark, and it
will allow me to show my unique

468
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,800
angle in terms of how I
approach.

469
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,920
It we'll do the the mock
interview 1st and then let's

470
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,280
talk about it and the strategies
that you do after.

471
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,360
Does that work?
Absolutely.

472
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,200
OK cool, let's do it.
All right, so you guys have the

473
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,200
floor.
I'm going to give you roughly 5

474
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,680
minutes.
So obviously your pre interviews

475
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,520
may go a lot longer than that,
but let's just try it for the

476
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,880
sake of the show.
Let's keep it to around 5

477
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,200
minutes and I'll I'll call it
even if it's not complete, I'll

478
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,600
still just call it that.
It's when it's complete.

479
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,840
OK, so take it away, Matt, for
rethinking podcasting.

480
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,400
So, Sid, pretend that I've sent
you a direct message or an

481
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,680
e-mail before this and I've come
to you with a specific angle in

482
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,120
mind for the chat.
Because what I prefer to do is

483
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:59,040
to become big fans of the
podcasts or the podcasters that

484
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,920
I like to talk to you.
Because obviously I talk to

485
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,400
podcasters and I like to come to
them with a topic in mind

486
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,400
because I'll generally consume a
lot of content from the person

487
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,560
that I'm looking to interview
and have something in mind.

488
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,840
The thing that I have in mind
for you after doing a bit of

489
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:20,280
exploration and with my own
background, is that your

490
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:26,000
background in workplace design
and office furniture and the

491
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,040
approach to building awesome
workspaces speaks directly to my

492
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,640
experience in government and
learning environments, desk

493
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,440
setups and being effective in
workplaces, change management.

494
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,560
It applies to the kind of
workplaces that people work in.

495
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,400
So I think that would be our
polite into my experience and

496
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,720
recognizing yours and then to
talk about the monetization

497
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,800
strategies you've used in the
new season of your show.

498
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,320
So that would all be in the
direct message or the e-mail.

499
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,880
As of quick aside, in case you
weren't familiar with me, I

500
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,760
would be sending you a link to
rethinkingpodcasting.com/foundations,

501
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,960
which includes a few episodes
that introduces you to me and my

502
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,520
background as well.
Sid, do you feel adequately

503
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,880
prepared?
I'm good to go.

504
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,080
Well Sid, thank you so much for
for coming to the pre interview.

505
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,640
I really appreciate it.
How are you my friend?

506
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,920
I'm doing great.
Glad to be here.

507
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,720
I'm excited to have this
conversation with you.

508
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Yeah, it's going to be great.
Now you would have seen the

509
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,000
message that I sent you that
I've got a particular topic in

510
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,080
mind.
I think I'd be really interested

511
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,560
to talk to you about workplace
design, just because of my

512
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,040
background in learning design
and working with teams in in in

513
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,280
place organizations.
Probably only before 2020 now

514
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,240
that I think about it, but it's
all super interesting to me.

515
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,520
And the fact that you have a
podcast about that space and

516
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,920
talk to people about it, I think
it'd be cool to have a chat

517
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,480
about that.
There's a bit of an intro.

518
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,200
I'm more interested in hearing
about the monetization stuff

519
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,640
that you've done over the new
season of your podcast.

520
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,520
How open would you be to talking
about the details of the

521
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,680
monetization strategies that
you've put in place?

522
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,960
I've been in the office
furniture workplace design

523
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,080
industry for 30 years, so it's
something I'm passionate about

524
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,800
and I can talk about almost
anything relative to that topic.

525
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,960
When you start getting really
technical about certain things,

526
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,280
I'm going to probably pass on,
but I love the industry and I

527
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,200
love talking about it and so
happy to dive into any topics

528
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,600
there.
And as it relates to the

529
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,840
monetization, I'm pretty much an
open book.

530
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,760
I'm happy to share what I did,
what the results were and what

531
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,680
I'm learning because there's
been quite a few learnings after

532
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,880
the fact about what we offered
and what we're having to

533
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,120
provide.
So I'm much, very much mad and

534
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,280
open book.
The way that I try to run the

535
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,400
conversations on Rethinking
Podcasting is not to prepare you

536
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,040
too much because I do enjoy
having a bit of a, not an

537
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,480
unpredictable, but a
conversation that kind of wins

538
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,560
around that curiosity a little
bit.

539
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,200
So we might talk about
monetization.

540
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,000
We'll probably talk a little bit
about how you structure the

541
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,680
episodes because I can see that
you've got a lot of different

542
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,720
episode types there, which is
great.

543
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,400
In particular, though, I just
like to kind of go with the flow

544
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,560
a little bit.
So after the interview that

545
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,720
we've done here, I'll send you a
few guiding questions that I'll

546
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,520
have in mind for the
conversation, along with a

547
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,520
couple of links for testing your
connection for Riverside FM and

548
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,760
all that kind of thing.
You're a Odcaster, you know the

549
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,760
drill though.
O There's not going to be a

550
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,160
rescribed conversation
necessarily.

551
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,120
I like to see where the
conversation goes a little bit.

552
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,800
And I think we're pretty good
friends at this point, right?

553
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,240
You'd tell me if I asked you
something bad during the

554
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,720
interview?
OK, Matt, I'm with you.

555
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,640
I'm very much an organic
conversation guy and like to

556
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,440
just see how the conversation
flows and where things go.

557
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,800
So yeah, and if it can support
your audience and the topics are

558
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,520
a point for them, then I'm happy
to be very organic with the

559
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,800
conversation.
That's awesome.

560
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,600
So we'll probably record video
and audio, though.

561
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,080
I'll record audio.
I'll publish audio episodes only

562
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,920
at this stage, just to keep the
video in the back pocket a

563
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,960
little bit because I like to be
an audio guy.

564
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,040
But I'll also send you a copy of
the interview after we've had it

565
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,480
and I've edited together and
it's got all the fancy stuff in

566
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,480
it just so that you have an idea
of what it's going to sound like

567
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,840
in the case you say anything
that you'd like to take back a

568
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,640
little bit later.
And I'll give you the chance to

569
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,240
share some stuff on the show as
well, to plug your podcast and

570
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,720
anything else, any kind of
offers you've got rolling.

571
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,840
I'm trying not to make you talk
about the things that I want us

572
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,720
to talk about in the session
specifically because I know

573
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,080
that's where the good stuff
happens.

574
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,320
I guess the last thing I'm.
Going to call it right there.

575
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,760
Last thing would be questions
for me about the podcast.

576
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,960
Yeah, good.
Yeah.

577
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,320
And thank you for calling that
out.

578
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,720
I think that's a good one to to
wrap it up at all.

579
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,160
Right.
So let's talk about it.

580
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,720
And look, we're, I think we're
all adults here.

581
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,960
So I, I think it's OK if there
are criticisms, but also what

582
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,240
did Matt do?
Well, like, let's hear all of it

583
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,040
now.
I just saw somebody flash.

584
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,640
Alex.
You guys make it too easy.

585
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,960
I mean, you're both
professionals.

586
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,480
You know what you're doing and
that's great.

587
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,760
That's one thing that I love,
that you're very prepared.

588
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,240
The thing that's going through
my head is there's always that

589
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,920
thought that, OK, this is all
well and good, but when they get

590
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,760
on the podcast, they may decide
to change their colors, so to

591
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,920
speak, meaning the interviewer.
And I know you wouldn't do that,

592
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,920
Sid.
I'm just thinking, you know,

593
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,760
that pre interview.
OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

594
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,680
Everything's fine.
It's like going on a first date

595
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,760
and then, you know, the third
date you're, you know, doing

596
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,280
whatever.
All in all, I love the

597
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,320
questions.
You made it really relaxing for

598
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,960
him.
You didn't give a lot away.

599
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,600
I had a pre interview where the
person wanted to know what the

600
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,280
conversation was going to go, so
you kept it really vague and you

601
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,920
said that.
So you laid it out and it was

602
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,760
good.
I agree with you, one area I

603
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,640
would have liked to have seen
more of is just hearing more

604
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,040
from Sid.
Just when I talk about the

605
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,920
rapport building, I would have
liked to just have a few

606
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,960
questions so that Sid could feel
a little more.

607
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,120
I mean, I'm making this up
because who knows if he really

608
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,280
feels this way, but feel to feel
a little more comfortable with

609
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,320
the host, right?
Because if look, let's be real,

610
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,200
people like to talk about
themselves.

611
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,880
So to give them opportunities to
talk a little bit more about

612
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,680
themselves, I think will help
with that chemistry building

613
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,800
that rapport building that we're
talking about.

614
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,760
Fairpoint, Matt.
I wouldn't say what I did there

615
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,600
was necessarily representative
of the pre interview that I

616
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:42,120
usually do for the show, if only
because a large part of my warm

617
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,120
up comes before that pre
interview.

618
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,400
Because as I said, I like to
become a fan of the content.

619
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,120
I'll have listened to episodes.
And if you go back in my feed

620
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,680
and rethink a podcast in the
last interview that I did is

621
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,240
someone I've followed since 2023
and have been thinking about

622
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,360
what I'd like to talk to her
about in the podcast for like 2

623
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,440
years.
So the Serenade of Sid in my

624
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,560
head wouldn't have required as
much, you know, rapport building

625
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,120
as you'd usually expect.
But then I also realize it kind

626
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,440
of defeats the exercise.
And that's probably where you

627
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,800
heard me stumbling about trying
to shove my process into the 5

628
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,560
minutes that we've got to spend
here.

629
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:23,760
Agreed.
Agreed.

630
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,440
Thank you.
Matt and Ralph, did you want to

631
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,600
add something?
Yeah, I want to add a couple

632
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,199
things.
I thought Matt was very good in

633
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,280
setting the tone for the
interview.

634
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:36,280
Matt was very good about asking
about guardrails, what things

635
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,360
could be said, what things
couldn't be said.

636
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,960
Matt disclosed the idea that
this is an audio first, but I'm

637
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,000
recording video.
So I feel like Matt did a really

638
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,560
good job of setting the table of
expectations.

639
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,719
And I think that's super
important because you want to

640
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,480
make sure that you're both on
the same page.

641
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,040
And there's an expectation that
he said he's going to send him a

642
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,080
list of questions.
If, you know, sit an opportunity

643
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,040
to say, is there anything you
don't want to talk about?

644
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,200
So I Matt, I thought you did a
great job, man.

645
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,200
I thought it was, I thought it
was right on point.

646
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,320
I think you, you're honoring
your audience.

647
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,840
And I go back to that again,
because I think that's one of

648
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,280
the key things is you're
checking in to make sure you're

649
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,440
going to be able to take the
interview where you want to take

650
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,480
it to value your audience.
Say kudos man, great job.

651
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,440
Thank you, Ralph.
Anyone else from the clubhouse

652
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,880
stage want to chime in?
Just want to make sure I didn't

653
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,120
miss anyone.
How about you Sid, as the guest?

654
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,960
Any feedback for Matt?
So Matt, obviously very easy to

655
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,360
talk to.
He's very monotone, which is

656
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,040
nice and comforting, right?
Especially if you're meeting

657
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,720
somebody for the first time.
We're, you know, some of us have

658
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:39,560
a little more energy, we get a
little more excited about

659
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,640
things.
I was surprised now I understand

660
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,800
it now, but I was surprised he
didn't ask me more questions

661
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,800
about me or more questions about
the content itself.

662
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,080
So, but that's OK because that's
the way Matt likes to do things.

663
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,880
And, and I do love the element
of surprise.

664
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,560
And I try to like when a guest
comes on with me and they want

665
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,840
to start talking about
something, I'm like, hey, let's

666
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,040
not talk about that.
I've got it down as a note

667
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,600
because I want to hear you say
that live so I can react live to

668
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,160
you and we can have a nice
dialogue about that.

669
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:13,960
Or I'll ask you a question, say
I'm probably going to ask you

670
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,480
this question on the show, but
don't answer it now because I

671
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,720
won't be able to respond
naturally.

672
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:22,240
Because my goal is that we're
sitting at a coffee shop having

673
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,440
a natural conversation and my
guests are, you know, sitting

674
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,280
right there listening in and I'm
asking them the questions that

675
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,080
they'd want to ask.
So I do understand why you

676
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,840
didn't go too far into the
questions.

677
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,400
OK, fair enough.
Thank you, Sid.

678
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,520
And thank you both to Matt and
Sid for playing along.

679
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,760
Let's do another one.
Dr. Will you play the role of

680
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,240
host?
Sure.

681
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,840
OK, cool.
Dr. with a little improv

682
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,040
experience.
So I'm looking forward to you

683
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,000
playing along, Ralph, with
virtually no improv experience

684
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,200
other than maybe an empowered
podcasting when we hosted that

685
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,800
workshop.
But Ralph, I'd like for you to

686
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,920
be the guest.
And let's do this from an angle

687
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,600
where the guest's audio is a
little challenging.

688
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,400
OK.
OK, let's start it from there.

689
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,880
And yeah, and then if we can
allow, I'll try to allow for a

690
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,440
little time to actually get to
maybe your style.

691
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,600
Dr. for pre interview questions.
So with that, Ralph, you can

692
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,920
play the role of you if you'd
like, or if you want to make up

693
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,960
a character, now's your chance
to Do you want to be a certain

694
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,960
character?
Yeah.

695
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,760
So I just wanted to let
everybody know I'm going to be

696
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,120
intentionally pushing my
microphone off to the side just

697
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,760
so everybody understands that's
intentional.

698
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,600
But yeah, I'm going to play the
character of some zany, like,

699
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,600
nutty guy that Dr. is bringing
onto his show, and I'm just a

700
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,880
little bit out there.
All right.

701
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,760
His name is Doctor Nutty.
OK, Doctor Nutty.

702
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,520
There you go, Dr. There's your
guest.

703
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,000
OK.
Hey Doctor Nutty, how are you

704
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,680
today?
Oh, Dr. I'm doing fantastic.

705
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,280
How are you?
Hey, I'm great.

706
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,320
Where?
Where are you in this great big

707
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,880
world?
You know, I'm in New York City.

708
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,880
Oh, OK, New York, you're on the
east side.

709
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,880
I'm kind of east also.
I'm I'm in Nashville, TN.

710
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:11,480
I'm noticing a little bit of an
audio something going on and I

711
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,000
see behind you that you are in a
room with like hardwood floors

712
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,160
and you've got some hard
surfaces there.

713
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,040
Let's take a look at your at
your mic.

714
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,600
Do you know where the gain is on
your mic?

715
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,160
Maybe at the bottom of your mic?
Can you adjust that just a tiny

716
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,480
little bit?
Hold on, you said the

717
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,400
microphone.
That's this thing that's plugged

718
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,520
into my computer.
Right.

719
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,160
Possibly.
Possibly hope so.

720
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,600
So.
You know, now look now, now, Dr.

721
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,120
you told me I could just Does
this sound better now?

722
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,840
It does sound better.
It does sound better you.

723
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,000
Know what I think?
I figured it out.

724
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,480
I put the microphone right in
front of my face.

725
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,800
There you go.
Oh Doctor Nutty, you are right

726
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,480
on the money.
That is so great.

727
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,080
Doctor Duddy, Let's talk a
little bit about the room that

728
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,480
you're in.
Is there, do you have like any

729
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,360
pillows or carpets or anything
like that that we can really

730
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,480
optimize that sound with?
Well, you know what, this is my

731
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,640
bedroom also, so you know what I
could do is I could go grab some

732
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,960
extra comforters and some
pillows from down the hall.

733
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,040
I could do that.
I think that might sound better.

734
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,000
Do you think it'll sound better?
But here's the problem.

735
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,880
I don't like this microphone in
front of me.

736
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,720
So let's move it back over to
the side again because.

737
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,200
You know, you know what, Mr.
Nettie, but we can't hear you.

738
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,000
The the best thing is, is for us
to hear you.

739
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,680
And besides, this podcast is
actually an audio first podcast,

740
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,600
so you really don't have to
worry about how it looks.

741
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,520
Oh, oh, that's good.
So no hair and makeup for me

742
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,080
that day.
No hair and makeup you can come

743
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,960
with, you know, your face full
of cold cream if you want to.

744
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,600
Oh, that's great.
Mr. Nutty, tell me about your

745
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,200
story just a little bit.
I just want to see if you know

746
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,000
if you're a good fit for my
audience.

747
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,120
Have you heard any of our
episodes?

748
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,000
No, no.
But listen, my publicist said

749
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,320
that I need to be on your show.
Really.

750
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,840
OK now?
And what was your publicist's

751
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,160
reasoning for that?
Did they say it's because?

752
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,960
I'll tell you why, because she's
trying to get me on as many

753
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,840
shows as she can so I can
promote my book.

754
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,520
Oh, so I see.
I see.

755
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,200
And what's the title of your
book?

756
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,520
How to be like Mr. Nutty?
Oh, I see.

757
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,360
OK, Well, Mr. Nutty, I
understand that you really want

758
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,720
to get the word out there.
And actually right now, this may

759
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:39,240
not be the right fit for my
audience currently, but hey,

760
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:42,720
down the line, this may be
exactly what they're looking

761
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,080
for.
So I'm going to, I'm going to

762
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,560
put you down for maybe in a year
or so, I'm going to contact you

763
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,520
to see exactly, you know, where
you are with your book and where

764
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,880
you are with your story.
And I'm looking forward to it

765
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,240
all.
Right, I'm calling it there.

766
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:03,240
Thank you Ralph for playing the
difficult pre interview guest.

767
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:07,960
I appreciate that Dr. Great way
of handling that for sure.

768
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,240
Very patient.
And where did I wrote?

769
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,040
Oh, you know what I might have
done?

770
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,760
Because I get that that was
where it was probably going,

771
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,680
where you were going to say
thanks but no thanks.

772
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,440
I might have tried one more
question like what inspired the

773
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,000
book.
Right.

774
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,520
Because he brings up the book,
so maybe I could then get him

775
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,400
talking about something
interesting about the book and

776
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,800
see if there might be an angle
there that might be interesting

777
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,800
for the show.
Yeah, that's what I might do,

778
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,960
but.
I like that, yeah.

779
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,400
I I think that worked out well.
Sorry Tide had to go.

780
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,440
I was going to give her an
opportunity to play along.

781
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,120
Alex, did you want to chime in
on the pre interview?

782
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,880
Yeah, I just, you know, that you
you stole the Thunder.

783
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,640
We don't know what the book's
about.

784
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,200
And it sounded like the IT
sounded like she didn't know

785
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,720
what the book was about.
And it could have actually been

786
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:02,520
a really good fit.
Now, she might not have wanted

787
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,240
to deal with all of his
nuttiness, so to speak.

788
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,800
I think once you get him talking
about the topic that he wants to

789
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,040
talk about, it might have been a
really good fit.

790
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,880
We don't know.
Well, the title of it told me

791
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,680
that's probably not the case was
to be like Doctor Nutty when

792
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,440
probably I want my audience to
be authentic to themselves.

793
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,080
But I guess I could have asked
further on the book.

794
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,280
Yeah, and let's see, Ashley
says.

795
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,880
Were you Dr. Were you sort of BS
ING at the end there?

796
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Absolutely.
Yeah, Sid, go ahead.

797
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,600
We'll go to Sid after.
Go ahead, Dr., and then we'll go

798
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,080
to Sid.
You can tell when someone has

799
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,160
had the experience of being on
the mic and when someone hasn't.

800
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,480
I would like someone to have
just a little bit more

801
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,160
experience under their belt and
I mean there's a lot you can

802
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,280
find out during this pre
interview that doesn't require

803
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,000
any questions or anything.
Yep.

804
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,920
And, you know, Dr., I guess
could have said, hey, listen,

805
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,920
I'm getting the feeling, you
know, this feels a little a

806
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,120
little all over the place.
And I really want to try to hone

807
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,160
this in before the recording.
You know, if she wanted to push

808
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,080
further and granted, you know,
this was limited time here, so

809
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,120
maybe she would have in a real
life scenario.

810
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,480
But good things to call out in
case our audience is taking

811
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,800
notes here, which I hope you
are.

812
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,880
I'm going to go to Sid and then
I'm going to go to Matt.

813
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,640
Go ahead, Sid.
I know this was a little bit fun

814
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,760
and it was good to, it was fun
to listen to the two of you

815
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,840
banter a little bit about that.
But I think one of the things we

816
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:43,120
have to be careful of is talking
above their heads in Dr. Use

817
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,400
terminology like you know where
the gain is.

818
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,280
On your microphone.
And things of that nature.

819
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,160
And so we, I think we have to
assume they don't know anything

820
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,560
about audio and anything about
how to use the controls.

821
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,120
And some of them don't even have
a professional microphone.

822
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,320
If they do they like you, like
me, don't really know how to use

823
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,520
it, but they have it.
And so I just think we have to

824
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,400
be very careful about talking
over their heads or talking at

825
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,160
them and try to like coach him
through like, hey, I think, you

826
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:10,200
know, I'm having a hard time
hearing you.

827
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,320
I think if you pulled it closer
to you, it might sound a little

828
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,040
bit better because this is an
audio podcast.

829
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,720
I'm gonna make sure you sound
really good so we can get your

830
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:20,720
message across something like
that rather than go straight to,

831
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:22,160
you know, where the game is on
your microphone.

832
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,040
Like what's the?
Game like yeah and you know what

833
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,760
I didn't get in that I that's
always a non negotiable for me

834
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,640
during these free interviews.
Always always always I make sure

835
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,920
that the guest has either
earbuds or earphones anything to

836
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,120
prevent the sound coming out of
their computer.

837
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,360
I always, always, always do that
during a pre interview and if

838
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,440
they don't have headphones, if
they don't have earbuds, then

839
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,680
I'm not going to go any further
with them.

840
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,920
I'm I'm just not.
Yeah, And you know, the

841
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,400
disadvantage here was Dr. wasn't
able to be on camera with Ralph,

842
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,440
and she would have noticed
probably because it looks like

843
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,040
Ralph is not wearing headphones,
although he is.

844
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,720
He's just wearing the fancier
kinds that hide the the wiring.

845
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:10,960
But yeah, so that would have
probably been a trigger for you,

846
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,880
Dr. like, oh, yeah, Ralph isn't.
He doesn't have headphones.

847
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,680
Good.
Time to remind him that I need

848
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,120
him to wear them for the show.
I'm with you there, Matt.

849
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,160
Go ahead.
I was going to very quickly

850
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,440
point that out that where
someone was on audio, someone

851
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,960
was on video.
So it makes it a bit hard to

852
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,320
assess the situation
technically.

853
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,600
But what I did want to point out
is that the more experience you

854
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,600
get with dealing with people's
hardware situations, I think the

855
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,040
focus when you're assessing
early on about how someone's

856
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:44,160
equipment should be is to assess
as fast as you can what their

857
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,240
proficiency is with the space
and then set the expectations

858
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,520
for that really quick.
So when route, as soon as Ralph

859
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,040
said, oh, should I pull the
microphone over here?

860
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,040
And then Dr. you started talking
about hardwood floors and

861
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,160
cushions.
I think for me, I probably

862
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,080
wouldn't have even bothered
trying to bring up the idea of

863
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,320
optimizing their environment
because optimizing for mic

864
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,680
position seemed to be the
hardest thing that Mister Nutty

865
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,720
was struggling with.
And I would have picked my

866
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,160
battles on that one and said,
look, it's fine.

867
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,960
The recording will be a little
bit echoey.

868
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,280
This is my internal monologue.
The recording will be a little

869
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,560
bit echoey.
It may not bite be ideal, but

870
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,360
it's OK because I'd rather them
have the microphone in front of

871
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:31,640
their face than wrestling
pillows and, you know, not being

872
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,760
in their ideal scenario.
But again, that's a bias on my

873
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,520
part.
I've dealt with 40 to 50 year

874
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,680
olds in environments where they
don't really have to

875
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,640
troubleshoot their own
technology all the time.

876
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,200
So that comes as a second,
second word.

877
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,760
I don't do improv, I'm sorry.
Second nature.

878
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,480
Second nature.
There it is second nature.

879
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,960
And and you know, Dr., my guess
is you were probably kind of

880
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,800
creating a teaching moment there
by speaking that suggestion for

881
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,480
the guest.
And yeah, I mean, in some cases,

882
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,240
maybe they're that is
appropriate.

883
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:09,680
In other cases, like I do think,
again, this is because it's

884
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,000
improv and we're kind of
shooting off the cuff here.

885
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,880
You would have probably in real
life, I would imagine you would

886
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,360
have stopped after you heard the
difference between the mic in

887
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,120
front of his mouth versus far
away.

888
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,400
And you, you probably would have
stopped right there because it

889
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,080
did sound a heck of a lot better
at that point.

890
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,600
But I appreciate the teaching
moment.

891
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,680
Anyone else want to chime in?
Ralph, how about you as the

892
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,160
guest?
Yeah, I just wanted to say, Dr.,

893
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,280
you did a great job because I
was intentionally trying to rock

894
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,680
your boat and you did a great
job of not making me feel like a

895
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,400
complete moron.
And the way you the way.

896
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,720
No, seriously though.
And the way you did that at the

897
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,440
end where you're like, I don't
think this is good.

898
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,160
I got to be honest.
You the next question I was

899
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,760
going to ask you was, well, tell
me about your show because I

900
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,680
have no idea what you do.
I just.

901
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,760
That was the next thing I was
going to say.

902
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,360
But Dr., you did a great job of
not burning a bridge, not

903
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,400
destroying a relationship
because I was going to tell you

904
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,400
that my book was all about your
niche.

905
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,360
Whatever you were going to talk
about, your podcast was about, I

906
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,640
was going to take well, that's
what my book's all about, just

907
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,200
to see how you would respond to
that.

908
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,840
So listen, you did a fantastic
job.

909
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,400
You made me feel good about
myself.

910
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,120
And yeah, I, I agree with said
the gain thing, I was like, no,

911
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,840
it's not the gain.
The microphone is not in front

912
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,280
of me.
But Mark had a good point.

913
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,160
You couldn't see me.
So but but I think DRU did a

914
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,800
great job of salvaging a
relationship.

915
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,480
Thank you.
I agree, yes.

916
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,240
One thing to be pointed out,
He's not from New York.

917
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,960
Yeah, that's true.
He even.

918
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Called all New Yorkers and New
Jersey people.

919
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,240
You're not from New York.
Not at all.

920
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,720
No, I think you even had a
little bit of a Southern twang

921
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,280
coming out at one point.
Yeah.

922
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,640
So not a New Yorker.
I agree.

923
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,240
Although maybe he moved to New
York, who knows?

924
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,680
But yeah, that's funny.
OK.

925
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,600
DJ Rez, AKA Reza is on stage.
Good morning.

926
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,800
Welcome back.
Did you want to ask a question

927
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,800
or add anything to this?
Yeah.

928
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,240
Good morning, Mara.
I just wanted to say hi.

929
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:07,200
I just miss you guys and I love
your profile picture.

930
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,920
That's all I wanted to say.
Thank you.

931
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,120
Thank you, Rez.
Appreciate that.

932
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,720
Yeah, Good to have you back,
Reza.

933
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:16,040
Long time listener.
Once in a while goes away for a

934
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,240
little bit and then pops back in
here and there.

935
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,920
And I love that.
Good to have you here, Rez.

936
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:24,920
OK, OK, let's see here we are
close to time.

937
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,360
I will just share what I'll just
share instead of going through a

938
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,120
whole mock scenario unless
somebody wants to let me just

939
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,480
pause real quick.
Anyone else want to do a mock

940
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,560
scenario?
OK.

941
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:42,040
Then I will share.
What I like to do is to Matt's

942
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,840
point, I do like to send a
checklist to my guests ahead of

943
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,280
time about their sound
environment, the equipment that

944
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,480
they may or may not be using,
etcetera.

945
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,800
And then on the call, what I,
what I usually will do is just

946
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,200
say, hey, I just want to give
you a few highlights from that

947
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,360
list that either I've already
sent them or I intend to send

948
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,840
them and I'll just list a couple
of them, right?

949
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,160
Like I'll say, I just want to
remind you, if this isn't the

950
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,120
space that you're going to be
recording in, please make sure

951
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,760
you're in a quiet space where
you're unlikely to get

952
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,840
interrupted, right?
I might encourage them if I'm

953
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,560
noticing that their camera where
they maybe have too much

954
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,440
headroom from their the top of
their head to the top of the

955
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,520
screen.
I might ask them to position it

956
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,480
a little bit, but I'll just pick
like 3 different areas from my

957
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,040
checklist to highlight,
especially if there's something

958
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,840
noticeable that I can call out
during the pre interview and

959
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,120
then even before I go through
the checklist.

960
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,880
And by the way, the the people
who are on camera here, we're

961
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,880
just demonstrating what that
might look like being too far

962
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,000
close to the camera, too far
away from the camera, etcetera.

963
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,440
Yeah, so thank you guys for the
visual there.

964
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:01,200
What I what I think I like to do
first more than anything is open

965
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,400
with just some kind of easy
question even before I start

966
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,440
talking about their recording
environment.

967
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,440
I might even ask something as
simple as like have you done

968
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,600
many podcast pre interviews
before?

969
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,200
Because at that point I can I
can gauge some of the

970
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,320
conversation, I can help dictate
it from there.

971
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,200
If they say yes all the time,
that might be the hardest way

972
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,920
for me to keep that conversation
going.

973
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,120
But I may just ask something as
a follow up, like have you had

974
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,640
any bad experiences recently,
right.

975
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,360
Just to hear about what those
bad experiences were like.

976
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,080
Maybe there are some things that
I can learn from that and avoid

977
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,720
with this particular interview,
right.

978
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,560
They may say, you know, I've
done a few and I could still ask

979
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,920
them, you know, how did those
go?

980
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,800
What, what, what did you like
about him?

981
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,200
What did, what did you not like?
Again, just to help get them

982
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,080
comfortable with me.
It gets them thinking, wow, this

983
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,200
guy really cares about my
experience on his show.

984
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,120
And that can go a really long
way.

985
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,520
Ralph, you want to say something
before I go to Dr. Yeah.

986
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,000
I want to throw something in it
Tim put in the chat because this

987
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,800
is a brilliant observation.
Tim, always double check the

988
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,120
pronunciation and spelling of
the guest name.

989
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,560
And I think that's something
that is super important because

990
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,880
I've been on many shows and my
name, and I don't think it's

991
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,600
hard, but a lot of people do
think it's hard.

992
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,520
And I've said to them ahead of
time, I said just so you

993
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,880
understand, because they
wouldn't ask me.

994
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,640
I say, just so you understand,
here's how to pronounce my name

995
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,560
and I'll tell a funny story to
take 10 seconds.

996
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,440
Jim Curdlin or James Curdlin
from Pod News would mention me

997
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,440
on the show and he butchered my
name for like 6 months.

998
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,520
Then finally one day he says,
listen, I need to apologize.

999
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,760
I've been saying Ralph's name
wrong all this time and he said

1000
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,840
finally.
So Tim, brilliant observation,

1001
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,600
great idea.
That's a wonderful thing to talk

1002
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,280
about in the pre interview.
If they've got a business name,

1003
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,000
understand how to pronounce
their business name.

1004
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,160
But I just wanted to call that
out.

1005
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,920
Marcus.
Tim made a hugely impactful

1006
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,840
statement there.
I fully agree.

1007
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,000
Thank you to ask, you know,
before we go any further, can

1008
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,480
you please pronounce your name
for me just so I know that I'm

1009
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,320
going to get it right when we do
the actual interview.

1010
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,840
And yeah, sometimes some names
like Matt Bliss, I think that's

1011
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,680
pretty, pretty easy one to
pronounce.

1012
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,880
But you may, I want to ask
anyway for in my case, I might

1013
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,680
say I see on the screen here
Matt has it as Matthew Bliss.

1014
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,600
So I might ask him, do you
prefer to go by Matthew or Matt?

1015
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,320
Right.
That that that's just something

1016
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,360
I notice and I I call out before
an interview.

1017
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,080
I get that all the time.
Do you really?

1018
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,080
Everybody, even just not on
recordings, people are.

1019
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,560
Like do you prefer Matt or
Matthew?

1020
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,360
And I'm like, bro, come on,
let's go.

1021
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,160
Whatever.
Really not fast.

1022
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,440
Dr. Did you want to add
something too, Ralph?

1023
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,200
Stole mine because I was going
to bring up.

1024
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,360
Tim's thing that he put in the
chat.

1025
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,000
But before I wouldn't do the pre
interview.

1026
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,960
I would probably go to YouTube
or to, you know, your wherever

1027
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:03,600
you get your podcasts to see if
maybe there's a, you know, a, a

1028
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:09,000
clip of them talking.
Maybe there's something that

1029
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,640
will have the pronunciation of
the name or something.

1030
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,160
And plus, it gives you an idea
of how much experience this

1031
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,160
potential guest has being on a
microphone.

1032
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,040
Thank you.
Dr. Jonathan, do you want to

1033
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,400
have?
The final word here today.

1034
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,960
Oh, how much time are you
spending in getting ready for a

1035
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,880
pre?
Interview Man oh man going to

1036
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,920
YouTube.
Checking everything out, I don't

1037
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,880
know.
I don't know that I have that

1038
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,520
much time.
You don't read but I mean it

1039
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,200
takes a second it.
Just takes a minute.

1040
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,080
For that, Jake, Yeah, I'm with
you.

1041
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,400
I'm with you there.
All right.

1042
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,040
Coming from the guy who is anti
pre interview, I get it.

1043
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,040
Thank you Jonathan and thank you
all.

1044
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,160
I think we got a lot of great
info out today.

1045
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,240
I think we've really helped
define and explain what a pre

1046
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,240
interview is and the value of
it.

1047
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:00,120
I always will encourage it even
to those of you who like

1048
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,840
Jonathan who say I hate them,
they don't work.

1049
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,080
I do believe that just like an
interview, it takes a little

1050
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,120
practice and once you've figured
out how to do it, it makes the

1051
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,600
show, in my opinion, so much
more smooth.

1052
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,000
It it helps with that chemistry.
It helps you understand your

1053
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,080
guests, it helps your guests
understand you.

1054
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,440
And I think that makes for a
stronger podcast episode.

1055
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,880
So hopefully this has helped you
today.

1056
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,360
And if you have questions, by
all means, go to

1057
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,720
podcastingmorningchat.com, go to
the contact page and send us

1058
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:37,360
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1059
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,680
and until tomorrow where we do
podcast news.

1060
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,040
Make it a great day everybody,
take care.