439. Ads Are Coming to AI- Here’s What They’ll Never Tell You

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Good morning again, podcasting,
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And let me say if you haven't or
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So if you're new here, you may
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all these people?
Go to podcastingmorningchat.com.

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Actually do it like this,
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checking that because I realize
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but if you go there, you can go
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Yeah, I was, yeah.
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Yes.
Go to our about page and you'll

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So today we are going to get

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into all the headlines around
the world of podcasting.

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Looking forward to digging in.
And I guess we should just go

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ahead and do that.
So the way we like to start

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podcast news and by the way,
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us here on stage as well from
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The audience is more than
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part of this conversation as
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So don't be shy.
If you want to come up here,

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comment on some of these
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more than welcome to do that.
And that goes for any of you

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watching live on the other
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etcetera.
So some podcast data for you to

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kick things off.
This is as of today.

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Over the past week, 198,156
podcasts published at least one

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new episode which is up 3.3% and
over the last 30 days 328,121

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podcasts were updated and that
is down 7%.

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Why do I share this with you?
Because I think that puts the

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numbers in perspective a bit.
A lot of times we see that there

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are, I know that number kind of
changes here and there, but

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let's say 3 to 4 million
podcasts out there.

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And some people say, whoa, that
I'm not, I'm not going to do a

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podcast 'cause there are too
many out there.

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Well, the reality is, is not
nearly as many of them of those

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podcasts are actually publishing
new episodes.

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And by the way, 3 to 4 million
isn't a lot when you think

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about, also think places like
YouTube and the millions and

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millions of channels that are
there and active.

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OK, let's also, since we're in
the data category, let's talk

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about the top fives.
Dr. You want to share the

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Spotify and Apple top fives?
#5 The Tucker Carlson show

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number 4, the Crime jungie #3
the past weekend with Theo von

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#2, good hang with Amy Poehler
and #1 The Joe Rogan Experience.

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And we're doing a top five for
Apple these days because the

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number one has continued to be
the same show.

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And we figure instead of just
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over again, we'll give you a top
five for Apple as well.

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So go for it. #5 is dateline #4
is the Joe Rogan experience #3

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is a good hang with Amy Poehler.
Oh wait a little bit.

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OK, number 2 is crime jumpy and
the number one is the daily.

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There it is, Yes, the daily
holding that top spot for weeks

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and weeks and weeks, if not
months at this point.

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You know what I think I heard
that The Daily will now be doing

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a a Sunday show.
I think I read Oh.

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Really.
Did anyone else read that?

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Am I the only one?
OK, we'll check on that.

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And Ashley, you might have to
get.

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That that's OK if we're wrong.
If we're right, we'll put it in

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the show notes.
If we're wrong, we won't say

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anything at all.
And some events for people to

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keep an eye on.
And as I've shared in the recent

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past, we're not going to go
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anymore just to try to keep this
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focus on some of the major
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important to our audience.
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Yeah, content creators,
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Take it away, Ralph.
Well, good morning everybody,

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and we got a quick business news
that matters to every crater.

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So listen up to this one.
Open AI says it's planned to

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start testing ads.
You heard me right, ads inside a

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ChatGPT.
Now, this is going to happen in

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the US, not going to happen
everywhere, and it's not going

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to be for everyone.
But in the coming weeks for

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logged in adults on their free
tier and their go tier.

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Here's the important part.
The ads are expected to show up

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at the bottom of answers, and
Open AI says they'll be clearly

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labeled.
They're going to be separated

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from the main response and tied
only to the current

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conversations, with options to
learn why you're seeing it or

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actually dismiss it.
Now, what's the business story

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here?
This is the moment where AI

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stops being just a tool and
starts becoming a new

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advertising platform.
We're like Google search, but

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little more conversational.
And if you're a podcaster or a

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creator, this changes the game
completely.

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Because when people ask GPT what
mic should I buy or what hosting

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should I use, or what's the best
editing workflow, these answers

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might start coming with a paid
placement sitting right

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underneath.
Well, to me, that's an

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opportunity, but it's also a
risk.

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It's an opportunity because it's
new ad inventory and new

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discovery pathways, but I think
it's also a risk because the

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audience can't make it
frustrated if the line between

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helpful and sponsor gets blurry.
So here's my question for

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everybody today.
If Chad GBT becomes as

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supported, do you trust it more
because it's transparent or less

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because money always leans the
results?

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So let me know your take because
this is going to affect every

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single digital business.
Oh my God, let me in on this.

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Go ahead.
Oh my God, I am so pissed about

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this.
I'm so pissed.

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Why?
Does anyone remember the old

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days of Google when you could
put in a search word and results

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would come up in front of you?
Yes, now you have to scroll and

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scroll and scroll and scroll and
scroll and scroll all the

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sponsored stuff you have to
scroll by.

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And I knew it was coming to AII
just wanted to cherish just a

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little bit more of the non
scrolling thing.

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And I know he said it's at the
bottom, but it's going to move

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to the top.
I know it's going to move to the

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top and there's we're going to
have another scroll fest trying

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to get to the meat of what we
really want to find out.

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Yeah.
And would like to Ralph's

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question, I think some people
may be concerned the information

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that ChatGPT spits out is going
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Sid had something as well.
Let's go to Sid and then Nick,

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I'm curious about your take.
This could have easily been an

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AI news story.
So I want to hear from you as

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well, Nick, as one of our AI
enthusiasts here at the PMC.

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But first, Sid, go for it.
Good morning.

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Ralph, does this article or
wherever you found this say that

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the ad is going to be tied
directly to the conversation

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that you're having or that it's
going to promote products around

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the conversation or is it
strictly just ads running?

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So it's are they connected or
they not connected?

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No, actually what it said here,
and this came from Fox Business,

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actually it said they're going
to be connected to the chat.

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The particular question that
you're asking Sid.

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So to me it's going to be
directed like what Dr. said when

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Dr. was talking.
I kept, I kept thinking and keep

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scrolling, scrolling, scrolling.
It's supposed to be connected to

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the actual topic at hand, which
I think makes it more

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interesting.
I'm going to have to see this to

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before ioffer any opinion on it
and I think I have the $20.00 a

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month pro.
Is the pro going to see the ads

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too?
I think it's called pro.

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I know I pay $20.00 a month.
Yeah, the $20.00 a month plan,

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yeah, I don't know.
That's a good question because

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if we're paying for it.
Ralph mentioned the two tiers.

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I just missed one of them, the
free.

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It was the free tier and the go
tier, so it doesn't say the pay

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tier.
And I honestly I pay for

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ChatGPT.
Also mine's more expensive than

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$20.00.
But I don't know Sid.

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It looks like it's on the free
and the go tier.

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I'm not sure what those tiers
are.

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But that's what it says in the
article.

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Yeah, the go tier is a newer
paid tier that ChatGPT

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introduced recently and I
believe, don't hold me to it,

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but I believe it's something
like $9 a month for it.

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So they're just trying to offer
a less expensive plan.

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But of course, that means it's
also a little more limited than

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the free or paid plans.
So those are the differences

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there.
Now let's check in with Matt

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Bliss and then Nick, you're on
deck.

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Go ahead, Matt.
As soon as you started talking

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about this and explaining it a
little bit, I thought of Google

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straight away and I think we're
going to follow the same process

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here too.
They said ad free.

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They go back on that six months
later.

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They create ads in the platform.
They gather user data to figure

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out their preferences to direct
ads appropriately.

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They create a ads platform for
people to create campaigns to

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direct their ads on the platform
to certain sub sects of people.

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The ad platform becomes big
enough and prioritize

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information enough that it
becomes an issue for the actual

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information versus what people
pay to appear first in the

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platform.
And then it goes to the EU for

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them to dissect what is the ad
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that becomes a monopoly just
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only in the last couple of years
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of years rather.
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the way through it.
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don't have is a way to pay for
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that Google has.
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they collect data, they sell
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their own ads management
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All that has been sustainable
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have that stuff to monetize
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but also they were coming up in
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really an issue, whereas it's an
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It's their next move really, but
I wouldn't make any predictions

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if I were you because six months
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completely different could
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Let's look at the business side
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This is about money and their
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ChatGPT probably.
I don't know this, but I'm going

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to assume that the majority of
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They've taken a lot of money
from investor groups and other

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places to get this thing moving
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And now they're trying to figure
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and what do they do, how they
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I'm sure they're investors,
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equity or looking at revenue and
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nature and running ads do
they're free and they're low

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paid account is a way to offset
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pay.
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that those of us that have like
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price increase to come from
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It'd be interesting to know how
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ChatGPT on a daily basis.
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and money and profitability
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investors.
Thank you, Sid.

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Nick, any comments?
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I think Sid's spot on with his
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business money.
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writing on the wall that ads
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They just weren't at that.
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in the fun phase, like making it
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board the adoption of the
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with ads.
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getting.
Closer to that, what I think is

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interesting, and I've seen this
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discussion boards and social
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This ads conversation was
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early on.
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of Sam all been talking about
this and saying that ads would

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be a last resort or open AI or
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They need to make more money,
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signal of trouble for open AI
right now because they aren't

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bringing in money like they're
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not turning a profit and they're
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profit until possibly beyond
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lot of skin in this game that
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So it could be trouble for open
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to this resort.
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the direction where they say,
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We're, we're basically mature
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think that we can confidently
run ads where we're not being

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intrusive to the user, but still
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And the first thing I thought of
when I saw this is great.

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That means Gemini's going to be
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That means Claude's going to be
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All of these other platforms, if
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jumping on the same bandwagon
because all I see are dollar

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signs.
Good points, Nick, and I think

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Ralph wanted to respond.
Go ahead, Ralph.

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I just wanted to ask the group
because as Nick was talking, the

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thing that occurred to me is I
guess the other option to try to

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make money is to start, you
know, grabbing all the data out

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of there and marketing from the
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So what's worse, putting ads in
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and trying to sell stuff based
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And are they mining it to use
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So either side of this has a
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Which one would we rather have
ads put into us or somebody

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going in and managing that data,
data mining it and selling it to

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advertise, to direct market to
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Well, it looks like you have
several people that want to

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respond to that.
Ralph.

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Let's check in with Jonathan
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yet this morning.
Good morning, Jonathan.

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I think with ads comes the data
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Anyway, I think it's going to
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I think we were in for both.
Yeah, I think you may be right

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on that.
Looks like everybody or a lot of

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people are agreeing with you.
Nick, did you want to say

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anything else about that I.
Think we're already kind of in

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the middle of that right now.
If you look at a lot of these AI

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platforms, they're all
introducing some sort of

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shopping feature, like where you
can purchase within the platform

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and, you know, they're
recommending products based on

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the information that they're
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They're not just going to pick
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Open AI is gathering.
I mean, Mark, you and I had this

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conversation when we were
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I was telling you, you need to
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And you're like, yeah, but.
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GPT just.
Understands me so well and it

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knows so much about me and I
don't want to have to get

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another AI platform to that
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It would already be able to
throw so many products and

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things at you just based on what
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a lot more specially curated
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haven't experienced before, even
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Google's always listening
because they probably are.

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But at the same time they they
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They're already doing that.
They're pushing products to you,

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whether you know it or not.
It's a matter of how far is it

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going to go before the EU steps
in and says wait a minute, this

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is a little extreme or how
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We're going to put up a poll
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We're curious, would you rather
pay more for your AI tool?

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I think first I should say, you
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If you are using AI semi
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you with your content creation.
I'm curious and I'm curious,

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would you therefore pay more or
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Because look, they are a
business, like it or not, they

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do have to try to make money
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I can't fault them for that.
What would you rather do?

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Would you, let's say, instead of
paying $20.00 a month like Sid's

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paying, would you pay 40?
Would you pay 50 to not see ads

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and to keep things the way they
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Go ahead and place your vote.
I'd probably pay more just

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because then it doesn't feel as
it doesn't feel skewed.

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The data doesn't feel skewed.
And yeah, and then I'm also not

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annoyed by a lot of ads.
And it looks like right now it's

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about 58% say they would pay
more. 43% says Nope, I would not

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pay more.
Matt, what did you want to say?

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What you're saying is important,
like for people, if they want to

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pay, to have their exposure
reduced and compensate the

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company for what they do that
they would otherwise do through

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ad revenue.
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I think in the terms of AI,
people are talking about AI

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bubbles at the moment.
It's not a bubble, but that

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short term thinking about them
making a quick bit of money is

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eventually going to turn into a
long term where we start to exit

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the point where managing AIS and
LLMS and the development stops

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being sustainable.
Investors stop pumping money and

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it becomes cost prohibitive for
anyone to have a large base of

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users like Open AI has.
So I put a comment in the chat

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earlier where I said everybody
should be learning how to add a

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local LLM like DeepSeek on their
devices or create their own LLM

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powered machines to avoid Open
AI taking their money local.

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Stuff like this, it's hard to
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next step after the cost
Prohibition causes this to be

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way too expensive for 3rd party
companies to start offering

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services like Cast Magic, like
Riverside, and then to work

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directly with the companies
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It's going to be businesses that
can pay for it and individuals

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won't be able to.
And we're going to have to work

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backwards as individuals to be
able to get access to what we

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found really efficient and
convenient before.

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So I just want to flag that
people should keep at the back

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of their minds, hey, I might not
have easy access to an LLM in

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the personal capacity that I
have right now within the next

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three to four years.
Thank you, Matt.

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And as a couple of people wanted
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So let's go to Ralph.
Go ahead, Ralph, and then we'll

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go to Sid.
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I just wanted to add one more
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And if you do any kind of work
with professionals where you're

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working with customers, here's
what you need to understand in

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in the accounting lingo.
We're really pushing this now.

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If you're putting any
information into any of the AI

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models, it has names, addresses,
any kind of personal

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information.
You got to stop doing that.

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When Matt put that in there
about building your own LOM in a

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closed model, you got to start
thinking about that because if

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this data is getting mined, if
you're putting queries in there

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about customers or about people,
you got to accept that that

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information is probably in the
public realm now.

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So for example, like I know my
doctor's office is now using AI

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to do notes after a visit.
And I asked her, I said, wait a

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minute, is that in an open
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Oh, no, no, no, we're using a
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So understand the difference.
And if you're putting stuff in

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an open AI model, know your data
is out there for everybody to

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see it.
Thank you, Ralph.

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My personal thought is
eventually this is that's the

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direction everyone will go for
for just that reason, for

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privacy reasons.
I think more and more people,

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and eventually I think if AI
continues to dominate, more and

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more people are going to use a
local LLM, something on their

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own computer, on their own
servers, not out there in the

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public.
I think that's just going to be

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the natural progression of where
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Sid, did you want to respond?
If you subscribe to Microsoft

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360 and you have access to
Microsoft Copilot, that is a

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local, as Matt described it, or
a secure, secure AI that is

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powered by ChatGPT, that's what
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I actually am recording a
podcast episode with an AI

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expert on Thursday about this
very topic about security and

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some policies for businesses to
understand what they what they

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need to do.
But what I think is actually

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really going to happen is you're
going to see, because they'll

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probably be some type of revolt
from the people about this.

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But I think the progress for
this is if I look at the

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business model for ChatGPT, it's
going to be a pay to play

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platform period.
Just like Asher was talking

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about HBO.
You can pay for a version with

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ads and a pay for a version
without ads.

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You have to pay for streaming,
you have to pay for this, you

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have to pay for that.
It's going to get to a point

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where nobody can use ChatGPT for
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You're going to have to pay
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And that's a way for them to
continue to increase their

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revenue.
I think Janae put in there they

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have 20 billion in revenue, but
I think that's where it's headed

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is that you're going to, it's
not going to be a free version

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of it.
You're going to have to have a

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paid version of it.
Thank you, Sid.

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Does anyone else want to make
any comment on this before we

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move on to the next story?
And I don't mind that this took

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a lot of time.
I think this is an important

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topic.
Yes, it's not specifically

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related to podcasting, but I
think certainly it affects us as

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podcasters, the fact that we all
are using it so much, or at

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least many of us are, I think
that this is an important topic

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for us.
So it sounds like no, nobody

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00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:56,960
want, no one else wants to.
So by the way, wanted to share

450
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:03,000
that today.
Yvonne's podcast has been

451
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,840
released and her guest is really
quite an amazing guest.

452
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,760
I actually was that guest on her
podcast.

453
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,200
I've just shared a link here.
And Yvonne, you are welcome to

454
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,200
come up if you want to say
anything about this 'cause I

455
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,120
feel a little weird promoting a
show where I'm the guest, but I

456
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:25,720
do want to also support you and
support your show because I

457
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,040
happen to really enjoy it.
So yeah, do you want to share

458
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,800
anything about today's new
episode of your Late Bloomer

459
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,160
Living?
Thank you, Mark.

460
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:38,760
That's awkward pushing your own
stuff out there, isn't it?

461
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,720
Yeah.
I'm here for you, man.

462
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,320
I'm here for you.
So your episode this week is

463
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,240
part of a series for the month
of January that I'm doing about

464
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,600
curiosity and playfulness and
the tie between the two and what

465
00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,120
they can do for us.
And I am so excited.

466
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,000
I am thrilled with the way our
conversation turned out.

467
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,800
Mark.
I asked Mark what prompted him

468
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:13,240
to put himself into the
situation of taking improv for

469
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,680
that first time, and what did it
feel like the first time he went

470
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,880
to do that, and how it has
impacted his entire life and

471
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,040
business since then.
So what a juicy conversation it

472
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,840
was, Mark.
It was, it was a really fun

473
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,800
conversation.
I was excited for this one to

474
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,800
come out.
And by the way, I don't know if

475
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,640
you did this on purpose or not,
Yvonne, but the fact that it

476
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,800
came out just a couple days
after Pod Fest, I think that's

477
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,880
perfect timing.
Serendipity, Mark.

478
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,400
Serendipity.
Well, thank you for having me on

479
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,160
your show.
Looking forward to hearing some

480
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,800
feedback from everybody.
Please go check that episode

481
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,360
out.
It is episode 257 and we will

482
00:27:54,360 --> 00:28:00,200
link to it in the show notes.
Let's move on to some of our

483
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,440
next topics.
And thank you, Ralph for today's

484
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,680
business Bite.
As you predicted, you thought

485
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,480
this would be a hearty
conversation, and it was.

486
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,680
But now let's go to some other
headlines around the world of

487
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,640
podcasting.
It was a record year for Apple

488
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,920
Services in 2025 and Apple
Podcasts quietly had its biggest

489
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,640
year ever in 2025.
According to Apple and reporting

490
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,720
from Pod News, the platform hit
record highs for listeners,

491
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,200
plays and subscribers right as
it marked its 20th anniversary.

492
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,240
Apple rolled out meaningful
creator friendly updates like

493
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,040
automated chapters, timed links
and dialogue enhancement,

494
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,720
simplified the podcast
submission process, and even

495
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,760
showed up to speak at a podcast
industry event last year that

496
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,760
was Podcast Show in London.
Side note, I am highly

497
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,880
considering attending Podcast
Show in London this May and

498
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,440
despite all the competition,
Apple Podcasts apparently still

499
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,520
holds its spot as the number one
podcast app for listening in the

500
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,600
United States.
All of that happened while Apple

501
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,760
bundled its creator tools,
including Final Cut Pro and

502
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:18,240
Logic Pro, into a new 1299
monthly subscription.

503
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:27,480
I love how this team has grown
and we now have correspondence

504
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:33,320
and new segments on Newsday and
no exception, BC Babbles has a

505
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,280
couple of I'm calling them them
Hollywood Bites because I still

506
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,800
haven't settled with BC on a
name yet for this segment.

507
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,720
So we'll just say Hollywood
Bites for now, but go ahead BC.

508
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,360
A lot of us people may remember
that earlier on in the 2000s,

509
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,840
there was a show called
Smallville which chronicled the

510
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,920
early upcoming years of
Superman.

511
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,320
Now Michael Rosenbaum played Lex
Luthor, Superman's rival on the

512
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,440
show.
Since then, he's had his own

513
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,680
podcast, inside of You Have for
a few years now, on which he has

514
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,280
interviewed countless stars from
countless franchises, even his

515
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,320
own former Co stars.
But one person I didn't think

516
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,200
he'd ever have on the show was
Allison Mack.

517
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Now Allison Mack played Chloe
Sullivan, Hark Kents best friend

518
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,560
throughout the entire run of the
show, but in 20/19 she got into

519
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,320
some hot water and even went to
prison for her role in a cult

520
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,120
like group.
I believe it's pronounced

521
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,120
Nexium, which had a lot of weird
things going on, but

522
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,160
specifically forced labor and
sex trafficking.

523
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,360
Now he actually brought her onto
the show in November of 2025 and

524
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,680
it's kind of a lot of negative
pushback.

525
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,720
A lot of people saying that it
kind of came off as a really

526
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,760
kind of tone deaf almost
redemption that tempt, I'm

527
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,920
sorry, and giving her a platform
while not giving a platform to

528
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,400
anyone to speak on behalf of the
victims of this cult.

529
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,000
And so to the team, I'd like to
hit with a question, you know,

530
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,640
what do we as podcasters think
about this suggesting my or

531
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,560
requiring mindfulness about who
we provide space to on our

532
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,360
platforms?
Anyone have a thought?

533
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,680
About that one, yeah, go.
Ahead, Alex.

534
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,520
Hey, it's your podcast, your
your rules.

535
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,200
If you want to go in that
direction, you have the right to

536
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,640
do that, but you also have to
take the consequences.

537
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,760
It comes down to, you know, we
were talking about this couple

538
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,880
weeks ago or last week or maybe
so having that pre interview,

539
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,560
what you're going to talk about,
what you're not going to talk

540
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,960
about, but you have to do your
due diligence.

541
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,160
And I think that's the main
thing.

542
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,840
You know, if you want to give a
the best full circle or I don't

543
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,800
know if that's the right word,
but all the views, that's fine.

544
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,360
If you want to just give that
person a platform for

545
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,040
redemption, that's fine too, but
I don't see a problem with that.

546
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,760
Just clearly he didn't because
he put her on.

547
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,560
Big stars can do that, and it's
better for their ratings.

548
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,200
You have to deal with the
consequences and I think it is,

549
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,960
I personally think it's a little
tone deaf in the current time

550
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,120
with situations that are going
on that I don't know that I

551
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,760
would bring somebody on that was
involved in any sex trafficking

552
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,000
schemes at all.
But that's just me.

553
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,960
I don't want to deal with those
consequences.

554
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,480
This is a great podcast.
I love this podcast.

555
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,960
He gets, he gets them to say
really, really inviting, really

556
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,400
tasty, juicy stuff.
But given that I actually heard

557
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,920
this episode in the middle of a
dry needling session.

558
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,600
So I would like held Captive,
but for me, this episode was

559
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,760
kind of a nothing burger, you
know?

560
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:49,560
It was like I wanted to hear
more stuff about stuff and it

561
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,960
just wasn't there for me.
So for you, the controversy, if

562
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,600
any, was just who the guest was.
But as far as her appearance,

563
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,680
there was nothing very
controversial to you.

564
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,080
Nothing was said.
Sometimes people go on these

565
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,400
shows after something like this,
after APR crisis like this, and

566
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,200
to try and get their career back
in step.

567
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,640
It's like going on Dancing with
the Stars.

568
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,640
Everyone that goes on Dancing
with the Stars has a second

569
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,280
career, for God's sake.
Oh yeah, So it wasn't.

570
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,000
Even.
Oh, my God.

571
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,720
Every.
Everyone.

572
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,680
Yeah.
Marie Osmond, everyone.

573
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,920
That wasn't even happening in
that vein.

574
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,480
It was kind of nothing for
nothing.

575
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,160
It was kind of a boring
interview, which was not his.

576
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,400
Not as usual.
Not as usual, right?

577
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,800
Fascinating.
Very cool.

578
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,440
Thank you, Dr. Great to have
somebody who's an avid listener

579
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,480
to comment weigh in on that.
I will say this though, Mark,

580
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,320
it's really interesting what Dr.
said about it being like a

581
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,560
nothing burger because a lot of
times that's what it seems like

582
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,600
it always is when it comes with
these controversies.

583
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,120
It's just not what it is.
Like you said, it's a small bite

584
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,680
or it's a small piece and the
whole rest of the interview is

585
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,440
about something different and
it's just to try to stir stuff

586
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,360
up to get more ratings.
You know, The thing is you got

587
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,639
to be careful of this because if
you hype something up and you

588
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,560
don't deliver on it, you're only
going to get one or two chances

589
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,920
to do that.
Remember when I was a kid, my

590
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,520
mom told me don't cry wolf.
And that's the thing.

591
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,719
I had to be as a contract
creator.

592
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Could be really careful of that
here.

593
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,000
Agreed.
Go ahead, Matt.

594
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,159
So inside of you, I think for
context, is one of these really

595
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,080
weird shows that people complain
a lot about a lot with

596
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,440
celebrities where everybody can
get something out of it because

597
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,440
everyone's interested in movies,
TV, celebrities, all that stuff.

598
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,120
But I think what Mike Michael
Rosenbaum really does with the

599
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,480
show is that it's it's for
people in the industry who want

600
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,000
to talk about the things that
the industry doesn't talk about.

601
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:54,679
There's been a few episodes that
I've watched that have been

602
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,560
potential career Enders for
people.

603
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,320
But the platform he has is the
mental health of people in the

604
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,080
industry and sharing and talking
about things that people can

605
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,320
learn from.
The Rahul Kohli episode I would

606
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,560
urge people to have a look at as
a perfect example of that, where

607
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,840
he was talking about getting
roles in COVID, putting on tons

608
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,280
of weight and affecting his own
health to be able to act in a

609
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,200
role.
And then calling out people he

610
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,520
worked with, not directly by
name, but they would know who

611
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,680
they are and saying really
direct things about the things

612
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,920
that made acting hard for him.
And that kind of thing is what

613
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,280
Michael Rosenbaum really does
well.

614
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,400
So I think just for the context
of what's been shared or

615
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,160
potentially platformed here, I
think Michael was thinking of

616
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,800
the actors who want to learn
from experiences and continue

617
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,000
healthily within the industry.
And then layer on top of that

618
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,080
the public perception for the
all the rest of us who aren't

619
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,520
actors.
I can't speak for anyone in the

620
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,080
audience, of course.
I presume none of you are

621
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,160
actors.
Well, maybe, Mark, you've done

622
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,360
your improv.
Probably.

623
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Close enough, I guess.
Thank you.

624
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,240
Matt and Ralph, do you want to
share what you just shared in

625
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,360
the chat in response?
I think it's the danger of

626
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,160
oversharing, and if you don't
deliver, you get yourself

627
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,520
caught.
That's the problem with that,

628
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:14,880
yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.

629
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,400
Let's keep things moving because
we are getting dangerously close

630
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,040
to the top of the hour and I
will actually before we do BCI

631
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,760
know you have one more story and
then we'll dig into a couple of

632
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,440
the headlines to wrap us up.
Yes, so Pete Davidson, one of

633
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,960
our favorite SNL alumn and stand
up comedians is going to be

634
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,560
hitting Netflix soon with his
very own weekly show called The

635
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,720
Pete Davidson Show.
It's looking to air on the

636
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:48,640
platform on Friday the 30th next
Friday at 2:12 O1 Pacific Time

637
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,040
in the morning, not afternoon.
And it's going to be a fun news

638
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,560
show.
They haven't released his topics

639
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,720
or his guest lists yet.
Netflix does already have a few

640
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,640
of his different comedy
specials, including Turbo

641
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,400
Fonzarelli and a Live from New
York, so he's excited to be

642
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,880
partnering with the platform
again.

643
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,360
It's going to be produced by
Mark Lieberman, who is the

644
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,880
president of Above Average.
And so this is looking to be a

645
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,680
pretty awesome show.
And where is it going to be

646
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,920
producing the show from his
garage where he quote, says all

647
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,920
the best conversations happen.
And there's also some

648
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,320
possibility that he will be
taking the show to the road

649
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,800
eventually.
So I'm looking like a pretty fun

650
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,840
show coming up here for Pete
Davidson.

651
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Personally, I keep like seeing
more and more of these podcast

652
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,320
Netflix agreements.
I'm like, you know what?

653
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,320
I like to know how much these
make.

654
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,160
And granted, a little side note
here, if you're a big platform

655
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,600
like Barstool Sports, then
you're making like 10 million a

656
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,280
year on spot on Netflix for your
podcast agreement.

657
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,000
So I'm not sure how much these
typically offer out, but I'm

658
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,760
kind of getting more interested
personally.

659
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,160
I'd like to look into one of
these deals myself.

660
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,600
But yeah, fun news show for Pete
Davidson coming out next Friday.

661
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,320
Anyone here at Pete Davidson
van?

662
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,200
I enjoy his comedy.
He makes me laugh.

663
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:08,320
Go ahead, Dr. Was she saying no?
Is the ultimate Pete Davidson

664
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,800
fan.
So quick, so quick.

665
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,280
Was it Dr. He may not be his
target audience, so that's OK.

666
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,240
Well, the story that BC just
talked about, throughout the

667
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,640
entire thing, he kept saying
show, show, show.

668
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,240
And I thought, you know what?
This was actually billed as a

669
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,880
podcast, and it wasn't until the
very last couple of lines that

670
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:39,360
you had said the word podcast.
So yeah, this is Netflix step

671
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:46,160
into podcasting.
This is the difference between I

672
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,480
love, you know, when you talk
about business.

673
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,160
I know Ralph could probably go
on for hours on this.

674
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,680
The way Netflix is pivoting
themselves compared to like a

675
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,440
Hulu that's going away, compared
to all these streaming services,

676
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,880
they're just making themselves
more relevant.

677
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,520
And when you look at something
like a Pete Davidson show,

678
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,280
podcast, whatever.
Cuz I'm, I actually, when you

679
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,000
talked about Netflix in the
beginning, I went to the podcast

680
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:18,760
page and coming at in next week
is not like they have a whole

681
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,120
bunch of sports podcasts that
are replaying.

682
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,040
But now they're starting to
branch out into other things.

683
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,000
And it's just, it's a great
pivot and they're doing a

684
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,320
tournament to shows.
And it just comes down to what's

685
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,200
the difference between content
creation slash podcasting slash

686
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,920
a show.
It's going to the, the lines are

687
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,520
going to get really blurry.
And I've heard from a lot of

688
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,520
the, when you listen to the
interviews from a lot of the big

689
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,320
actors that have been going on
to Netflix, they're saying it's

690
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,080
a lot easier to deal with than
trying to deal with the

691
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,120
traditional, an old movie route
where you there's just too many

692
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,040
people, too many cooks in the
kitchen, so to speak.

693
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,040
So it's an interesting thing
that's going to be going on and

694
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,480
it's something that we should
all be taking a look at because

695
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,560
some of these podcasts are not
just big names.

696
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,760
They're kind of not smaller
names, but they're maybe not as

697
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,080
well known as you may think.
And I'm wondering too if, if, if

698
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,200
honestly, and I could be wrong,
I'm just not thinking about this

699
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:23,120
the right way, but is this the
best timing for the podcasting

700
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,760
part?
Because Warner Brothers are not

701
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,600
Warner Brothers, but Netflix, as
I understand it, they just won

702
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,120
that battle over Warner Brothers
and they're going to be bringing

703
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,920
all that new content into the
platform.

704
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,720
It'll obviously kind of enlarge
in the audience, which is great.

705
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,560
But will that potentially over
shadow this pivot into the

706
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,480
podcasting world?
I think it's going to actually

707
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,480
just make it better because of
the fact that what's their

708
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,640
ultimate goal?
Them and YouTube have the same

709
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,840
goal, just keep you on their
platform.

710
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:59,240
And I think Netflix is turning
into Google in the sense of it's

711
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,200
a noun and a verb.
My daughter, she just, she

712
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,360
doesn't watch regular.
Most kids now don't watch

713
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,920
regular TV as much as they used
to.

714
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,400
They go on to Netflix, they go
on to their streaming services

715
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,200
because they just don't know any
better because that's all we've

716
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,280
had.
After seeing what they did with

717
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,800
Hulu, with Disney, and I know
that's not really what we're

718
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,080
talking about, but it is by
taking a whole service and

719
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,120
putting it into Disney.
They've got to consolidate.

720
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,560
It's getting too ridiculous with
all these separate fees.

721
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,120
I mean, we just talked about it
with ChatGPT.

722
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,480
I mean, how many streaming
services are, how many products

723
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,640
can we have?
DRI mean, you know, you could

724
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,800
spend $1000 a month on 20 bucks
a month.

725
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:37,960
It's got to do something, I
think.

726
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,800
I'm going to give Ralph the
final word, and then we're going

727
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,520
to actually move into another
story also related to this as

728
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,400
far as Netflix and their
podcasting efforts.

729
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,480
But first, let's go to Ralph I.
Just want to give everybody a

730
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,920
warning about consolidation.
Consolidation, in my view,

731
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,400
usually means it gets more
expensive because you've got

732
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,400
less options.
So just keep that in mind.

733
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,120
It's great.
We're seeing consolidation,

734
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,080
fantastic everything on one
platform.

735
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,360
But usually when that happens,
the price goes up because

736
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,840
there's no competition.
So just fair warning on that

737
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,560
one.
Yeah, thank you, Ralph Agreed.

738
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,120
All right, DRI just teased the
fact that we're going to talk a

739
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,080
little bit about Netflix, so
take it away.

740
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:25,280
Yeah, so goodbye YouTube.
Hello Netflix Podcast takeover.

741
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,680
Netflix is rolling out a massive
video podcast push in January

742
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,920
26th.
The streamer will premiere 34

743
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,960
licensed and original podcasts
from partners like iHeartMedia,

744
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,000
Spotify, The Ringer, and
Barstool Sports.

745
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,160
Big names like the Bill Simmons
Podcast, Pardon My Take, My

746
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,760
Favorite Murder, and the
Official Bridgerton podcast are

747
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,400
headed for Netflix.
This marks Netflix's first

748
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:57,880
Netflix's OK, that's hard to
say.

749
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:03,280
Netflix's first large scale
entry into podcasts with plans

750
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,960
to expand further through 2026.
Now here are some of the

751
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,320
highlights of the lineup.
Includes daily and weekly

752
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,120
premieres across genres from
sports to true crime.

753
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:23,000
Netflix expects to scale from 34
shows to 50 to 75 podcasts in

754
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,480
2026.
Some podcasts will be exclusive

755
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,640
video premieres on Netflix.
Original Netflix podcast shows

756
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,520
like Skip Intro with Skip Intro
with Krista Smith.

757
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,600
Join licensed content, licensed
content.

758
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,400
OK, here's some questions for
the room.

759
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,880
So is it better for podcast
brands to chase platform deals

760
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,840
or double down on audience
worship?

761
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,360
What do you think, Mark?
Yeah.

762
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,880
I mean, I personally think it's
really important for us to

763
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,840
continue to focus, double down,
as you said, on audience

764
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,400
ownership.
I think, yeah, I mean, we want

765
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,800
to own our audiences.
This is just like everything

766
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,320
else we talk about, right?
Like, yeah, social media is

767
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,120
great and it's it can be really
helpful to have a presence

768
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,640
there.
But that's but it's also owned

769
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,000
by a third party.
And we don't have control.

770
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,160
They could take us down tomorrow
if they felt like it, right?

771
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,440
That's why we encourage things
like newsletters.

772
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,440
And I think, you know, owning
your RSS feed, owning your

773
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,600
podcast is going to be really
important now more than ever.

774
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,880
I think it comes down to, you
know, what do we want to

775
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,000
prioritize?
To your point, I think if we're

776
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,680
community focused, then we need
to be able to keep ourselves in

777
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,160
spaces where we command and and
and control how we develop that

778
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,000
community.
You know, so we got we got to

779
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,240
stay in the free or at least the
non corporate oversight spaces

780
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:55,880
so that we can, you know,
cultivate the connections that

781
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,360
we want.
And as cool as these deals seem,

782
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,480
I and I put this in the chat
here as well.

783
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,720
There's some pretty strong
caveats to being a Netflix

784
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,640
podcasting program.
One of the big ones being

785
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,800
exclusivity and video rights.
So you won't be able to share

786
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,120
your show to platforms like
YouTube, which is a pretty big

787
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,680
drawback for those of us who are
video podcasters.

788
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,440
That being said, there is a bit
of a kind of offset.

789
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,120
It does partner with Spotify and
iHeartMedia.

790
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,640
So you would show up there.
As far as other platforms like

791
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,160
Apple Podcasts or Pocket Casts,
all the other potential

792
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,760
streaming platforms that simply
being on Lib Syn or Pond Bean

793
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,200
would provide you, you'd be a
lot more restricted on who, on

794
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,040
what people, what paid users get
to become part of your audience.

795
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,240
So, you know, it again goes back
to just how we want or what we

796
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,800
prize versus money or audience.
Yeah.

797
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,720
Thank you, BCI.
Appreciate that breakdown.

798
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:56,880
And let's also not put the cart
before the horse, as they say.

799
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,320
This is not a platform right now
that any of us can just go on

800
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,320
and put our podcast there.
Will that change?

801
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,480
I predict it could.
If they're having success,

802
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,960
Netflix could end up creating a
category for creators to add

803
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,280
their content.
But as of now, there's no way

804
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,520
unless we are with a major
network and they want to use our

805
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,520
content on Netflix, there's no
other way that we would be able

806
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,360
to as independent podcasters.
No way we could do that right

807
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,840
now.
I think with the growth of the

808
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,160
creator economy, it would be
likely that there is an option

809
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,720
they'll for creators eventually
to add their podcast to.

810
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,920
It's the platform because the
creator economy is going to be a

811
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,200
huge part of.
You know the future.

812
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,560
And the other thing I was going
to say is when it comes down to

813
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,280
growing our own podcast, the
wave of the future is community.

814
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,160
And you know, you, you've talked
about it.

815
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:55,400
I think we've got to control our
communities in order to grow our

816
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,560
podcast.
And that, you know, none of us

817
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,120
are looking for a Netflix deal,
but I think that's.

818
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,000
That that is a struggle with.
If you don't have a community,

819
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,400
then you don't have a podcast
that's going to be successful

820
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,720
off of a platform like that.
So yeah, Woogie shall see,

821
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:13,880
right?
Who knows?

822
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,680
This is going to be an
interesting it.

823
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,480
It is an interesting development
and it's interesting to see

824
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,280
where it's going to go from
here.

825
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,560
I'm going to let Janae comment
on this as well.

826
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,200
He's just joined us from the
audience.

827
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,240
Good morning, Janae and Janae,
it was great spending some time

828
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,040
with you this past week at
Podfest.

829
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,040
He was a busy man as well.
Good morning to you, Janet.

830
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,720
This is a powerful topic, right?
We were talking about community.

831
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:41,440
We're talking about our
potential audience and the names

832
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,760
that they are mentioned.
These are podcasts that already

833
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,880
have an audience to already have
a community and Netflix is

834
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,400
paying them big bucks so that
they can bring that audience

835
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,520
over to their platform.
So it's all a land grab if you

836
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,160
think about it, right?
It's a land grab because they

837
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,760
want what they don't have.
They don't have the users that

838
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,080
are listening to these podcasts.
So of course they're going to

839
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,120
make these big deals and, and
the long term, they're probably

840
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,600
going to make a lot more money.
I had posted in the comments

841
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,320
that basically what they're
doing is they're taking these

842
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,360
podcasts from free distribution
services.

843
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,600
RSS is free.
You can pull this RSS feed and

844
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,080
pull out podcasts and listen to
it on any single platform, but

845
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,120
what they're doing is they're
gatekeeping now.

846
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,480
Oh, you got to have a Netflix
subscription to go listen to

847
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,320
that podcast now.
How is the audience going to

848
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,120
feel that are already consuming
their content?

849
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,160
That is the bigger question.
Thank you.

850
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:36,000
Yeah, that is, and I would love
to know, maybe there's some data

851
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,560
out there.
I would love to know what

852
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,760
percentage of Netflix users are
also avid podcast consumers.

853
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,160
My feeling is, is that it's
probably a similar audience and

854
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,560
I would guess that a lot of
these people probably already

855
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,760
have a Netflix subscription, but
certainly not everyone.

856
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,360
And there will be a in a
significant amount of people

857
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,280
that will probably be annoyed
with this.

858
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,880
To your point, Ralph, did you
want to comment?

859
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,000
Yeah, I just wanted to bring one
more thing to the conversation.

860
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,760
Is this much different than the
push in 2026 where people are

861
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,720
starting to think about putting
their content behind a paid

862
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:12,640
wall?
Is it that much different?

863
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,360
You know, people are wanting to
cash in and monetize things.

864
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,000
It's, I don't know, there's that
much different Mark.

865
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:22,280
It is and it isn't.
I mean, look, one thing is, is

866
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,800
that if you're selling it
yourself, you're getting more of

867
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,440
the profits, right?
Like that's a big thing to

868
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,960
consider.
And again, it's also limiting to

869
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,840
a specific platform, you know,
on Netflix and maybe some people

870
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,880
don't want a subscription to
Netflix.

871
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,560
I know there, there is some pros
and cons to it for sure.

872
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,640
And yes, I, I could see your
point that in some ways there's

873
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,360
a lot of similarities to that.
All right, I'm going to go to

874
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,160
Matt.
And I saw, I think BC wanted to

875
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,000
comment and then I got something
to share before we wrap up.

876
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,720
So stick around.
Go for it, Matt.

877
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,920
Cynic and me again wants to
point out that what happens in a

878
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:05,760
year when Netflix goes doesn't
really work for us, sorry, and

879
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,960
the podcasts are left to pick up
the pieces again.

880
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,640
I think there's not going to be
a creator opportunity if it's

881
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,480
not successful with the the
platforms they've picked to to

882
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,040
work with and we've seen it
happen.

883
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,680
Spotify over invested.
They actually killed teams of

884
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,760
podcasts they acquired and they
don't exist anymore.

885
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,440
So we just need to keep that in
mind as well.

886
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,480
Fairpoint yeah, BC did you want
to add something?

887
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,880
I was going to say as far as the
difference between, or is there

888
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,920
a difference between, you know,
putting your content behind a

889
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,040
paywall versus one of these
these kind of Netflix style

890
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,680
deals is that I think it's one
thing to put my content behind a

891
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,680
paywall where it's like 5 bucks
a month, but I still control the

892
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,800
audience that's invited.
I still control what the content

893
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:52,800
is.
I don't have this kind of

894
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,400
corporate potential, huge
corporate oversight saying,

895
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,920
well, to fit us or to fit a
certain category, we have to

896
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,680
make sure that you make sure
that your content stays within

897
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,200
certain bumpers.
Just a random thought there.

898
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Yeah, Yep.
Thank you BC appreciate that and

899
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appreciate all the all the
engagement today.

900
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,120
We had a lot of good stuff to
share.

901
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,720
I do want to remind everyone
that tomorrow here at the

902
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:19,480
podcasting morning chat, we are
due back to our evaluation

903
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,160
series.
We're going to be evaluating the

904
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podcast Life Fulfilled.
And this is hosted by Bernie,

905
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,080
and please forgive me, Bernie, I
only speak to you at by first

906
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,800
name and I don't know how to
pronounce your last name, but I

907
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,160
think it's Borges.
And I've known Bernie a couple

908
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:41,560
of years now through Pod Fest.
I met him of two pod fests ago,

909
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,240
3 now I guess through our old
friend Stacy Sherman, who's been

910
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:48,920
a big part of this community and
he's got this podcast.

911
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,800
He's asked for an evaluation.
The team has been listening.

912
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:57,040
It's a 1516 minute episode.
We'll link to it in our show

913
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,680
notes if you want to listen, but
we'll also play some clips

914
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,920
tomorrow in case you didn't just
to get a better feel of the

915
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different things that we'll be
discussing and evaluating.

916
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And I want to say that even
though this isn't your podcast,

917
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I promise you that there's stuff
to learn by listening to other

918
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,040
podcasts and getting feedback,
like the feedback we'll be

919
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,120
providing tomorrow.
So come join us 7:00 AM.

920
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,960
Eastern live on all the
streaming platforms I've shared.

921
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,440
If you need more information on
where to find us, go to

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00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:31,960
podcastingmorningchat.com or
podpage.com/PMC.

923
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,560
Until tomorrow, make it a great
day everybody.

924
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Take care.