367 - Declining YouTube Views and Remembering Todd Cochrane, CEO of Blubrry

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Wednesday, September
10th, 2025, and today it's our

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news and common episode.
And we're remembering a podcast

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Hall of Famer gone too soon,
diving into Gemini's new AI

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features, Instagram big update
and a breakup rocking a hit

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Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again, podcasting,
Morning Chat.

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Thanks so much for being here.
I am your host, Mark Ronik, and

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on stage with me we have
producer Ashley Feller, Sid

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Meadows, Nick Naulback and Dr.
Fay.

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Greg, thank you for being the
first one here this morning in

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our audience.
Glad to have you here and

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looking forward to seeing who
else joins you in the audience

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this morning.
As I said at the top of the

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show, we are covering all the
news around the world of

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podcasting.
We will comment, share our

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insights, share our thoughts on
these stories, and I mean, might

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as well just dive right in.
Oh, hello to Austin.

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I was just calling out the
audience.

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So since you just walked into
the room.

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Good morning to you, Austin.
So today the way I like to start

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is first with a little bit of
podcast data.

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I'm skipping the number ones on
Apple and Spotify because it's a

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little redundant.
Because as some of you may know,

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Dr. Will follow up here in just
a moment and share the top fives

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on Apple and Spotify.
So why bother revealing why?

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Why give a spoiler when it's not
necessary spoiler?

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Alert I know, OK.
So let me share with you though

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what I do also like to share is
over the past week, 470,928

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podcasts published at least one
new episode, which is up a

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whopping 12 1/2% from the week
before publishing 418,600 new

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episodes.
So with that, let's go to Dr.

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for that top five I just teased.
OK, so this is Spotify's top

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five and #5 is Crime junkie #4
is this past weekend with Theo

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von #3 is hot on the case, which
is new.

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Number 2 is Huberman Lab and #1
The Joey Rogan Experience.

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What an amazing thing to hear.
OK, so being that we do this

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overall top five, I know we also
do a selected genre, that of

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your choice.
So what's the top five and

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what's the genre?
OK genre is podcasts on books.

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OK, that's one that we haven't
talked about before.

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So #5 is Catholic Bible studies
#3 is classical stuff.

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You should know.
That sounds interesting.

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I'm sorry.
That was #4 #3 is Stephen J

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Klovic podcast #2 is the book
review and #1 is Fresh Air, the

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famous Fresh air.
That's right, fresh air.

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I guess they talk about books on
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Gosh, I I'm embarrassed.
I don't think I've, well, I

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don't expect you to.
Know and listen to every single

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episode in every top five
category DRI think that's OK

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it's.
Really super famous, so I

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should, I should have known
that, but Oh well, OK.

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There you go and let me give you
all some events that are going

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on around the world of
podcasting that may be of

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interest to you.
Actually Dr., Do you want to

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take this first one 'cause I
know you added this to our list?

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Yeah.
OK.

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Podcasters Directory Virtual
Network is Thursday 911 from

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4:00 PM to 5:30 PM Eastern
Standard Time.

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And this is a virtual
networking.

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I believe it's going to be
they're talking about

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entrepreneurship, AI and
business.

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If my memory is correct.
The link will be in the show

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notes.
Thank you, Dr. Also, we have

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Houston podcasters meet up if
you're in the Houston, TX area

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September 17th.
We'll include a link in the show

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notes if that's of interest to
you.

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I've talked a little bit about
here over the past several

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weeks, Pod Summit YYC 2025,
that's a podcaster event

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happening in Calgary.
And of course, the Empowered

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Podcasting Conference 2025 that
starts September 26th.

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It ends the morning of the 28th.
And last yesterday afternoon we

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had a speaker call.
All of our speakers that were

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available, we all got together
on a Zoom call and talked about

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the event which is now just 16
days away, which just blows my

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mind.
And it was a fantastic call.

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I actually looking back now, I
wish we did more of those

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speaker calls because they give
me such a charge.

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I get so energized and excited
about it and I can't wait for

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those of you who are planning on
attending to come.

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I think this is going to be a
really.

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So wait a minute, can you, can
you paint a picture for me?

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You were on the phone, on
speakerphone with all of the

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speakers that will be talking.
That was on Zoom, yes.

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You're on Zoom.
OK, You're on Zoom and and you

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were just like gathering like
getting the logistics for

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everyone.
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Yeah, we were giving everyone
basically an update.

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I liked our speakers to feel
like they're just as much a part

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of the behind the scenes as I
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So I it's one thing to just get
them all up to speed.

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We officially last week released
the speaker schedule and so we,

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but they hadn't all known that
or seen that yet.

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So we went over that a little
bit and yeah, a lot of

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logistics.
And then of course we leave

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time.
The big, big reason before it is

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we leave time for questions.
It seems that speakers always

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have a lot of interesting and
good questions.

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So we fielded a bunch of
questions and yeah, now it's

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just game time.
Now it's just time to go to get

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ready.
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The biggest, that challenge for
that, well, not the biggest

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challenge, a current challenge
that I'm dealing with are the

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cost of T-shirts.
Now I used to be and Billy, I

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know you used to be.
I see Billy's in the audience,

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used to be in the screen
printing business as well.

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And prices have skyrocketed as
far as custom T-shirts go,

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especially bulk.
The shirts that I wanted to

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order specifically for our staff
and I'll move quickly on this.

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There were, it was like 16
shirts, black shirts, few colors

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design on the front, one color
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These were for the staff, the
team that I was quoted anywhere

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from 25 to $35 per shirt.
Per shirt.

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Yeah.
And that's a bulk rate.

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And I mean, I, I know I used to
get shirts like that.

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I just described, I used to get
it be able to get them for at

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least half or at least when I
was charging people I was able

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to charge them at least half
that.

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So anyway, so it's just crazy
some of the expenses, yes, Sid.

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Most of the shirts are imported,
so they're not actually there in

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the US.
Yeah, that's why they're so

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expensive.
I was thinking that as well.

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Yeah, I was thinking that too.
Oh, Billy wants to.

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Come up.
We'll entertain this since I

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opened that can of worms.
Go ahead, Billy.

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Good morning.
All right.

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Mark, just for the sake of the
audience, learning 16 shirts is

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not bulk well.
OK, you're.

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Right front and back.
Then you're going to pay.

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There is a new newer technology.
It's kind of funny.

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It's called DTF, but you can
actually get like these rented

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transfers.
I mean, they're not like I hate

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transfers.
They're not like anyway, they're

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like just look it up.
They're super nice.

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I've used them.
I'm actually have a couple

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shirts where I heat pressed
myself and they've lasted for

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they do better on like cotton.
So I wear comfort color shirts

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all the time and and this I've
worn this one shirt forever and

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it's perfect.
It stills like a screen brand

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shirt.
So those are like pennies on the

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dollar.
And I got a buddy in Tennessee

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who, if you need help, he does a
variety of different things and

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I can probably get some contract
pricing for you.

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Oh yeah, I would love to, Yeah,
I, I've started talking to

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others.
I haven't made any commitments

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yet.
So yeah, I, I prefer to work

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with referrals in this
particular area.

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And yeah, I know it's not
technically bulk, but I do know

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that even when, when I was in
this business, doing 16 shirts

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would usually cost less than if
I were to just order one.

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I, I expected something, I guess
so back in my day.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Some other events coming up, by
the way, go to

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empoweredpodcasting.com and get
your tickets.

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If Yeah, that's Empowered
podcasting.com.

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You can get your tickets.
You can see the schedule.

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You can see all of our list of
awesome speakers.

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We would love to see you there.
And then one other event, Speak

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Fest, Night of the Living Pod,
also in Houston, TX.

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This is a basically an event
hosted by some podcasters and

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it's a 2 day event.
Workshops, keynotes, networking,

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games, fun.
Obviously a Halloween theme.

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Think I'm sure if Nick were in
the Houston area he'd be there

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being that he and his wife are
such big Halloween people.

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Halloweenies, I'll call you.
Oh my Beavis and butt head just

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came out it was so good.
All right, and Dr. You want to

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share about awards before you
have to go make breakfast for

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the hubby?
Yes, please.

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OK, so enter your podcast for
the 2025 AMBI Awards.

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The AMBI Awards, hosted by the
Podcast Academy, will return in

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February of 2026 in New York
City, NY City to honor

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excellence in podcasting.
Submissions for the 2025 awards

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run from August 4th to October
10th, with new honors including

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Best Emerging Podcast and
Podcaster of the Year.

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Shows released after October
10th can still submit, but late

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entries risk ineligibility and
carry a $50 fee per submission.

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So check out episode 8 of the
podcasting Morning Chat where 30

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Plus time winner and community
leader Dominic Lawson shares how

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he does it because he is our
awards guy.

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He is and obviously with over 30
different awards for couple of

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different podcasts, he
definitely knows a thing or two.

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And yes, it's episode 8.
So that was a while back and

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it's all still relevant.
It all still applies.

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So you can look for episode 8 or
you can go to podpage.com/PMC

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slash 8, the number 8 and you
will go right to the page and

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you can start listening before
you apply.

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I think it'll give it.
It's that episode gave several

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people in this community the
confidence to apply and win some

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awards.
So check that out if you'd like

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to do it.
Why?

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Because at the very least this
gives you some marketing

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material.
You can promote that you are an

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award winner or even an award
nominee if you didn't end up

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winning.
It's still a prestigious thing

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that not all of us can say and
it looks good.

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I love seeing that when I see it
on people's profiles on social

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media and it says award-winning.
It is a distinction and worth

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sharing.
Do you have your win because you

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won an award?
Do you have your win on your

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website?
You know what on my website, I

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don't think I do.
That's a really good question.

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I have it on a lot of my social
media pages.

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I know it's on Instagram.
I believe I have it on LinkedIn

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on my profile pages, but no, I
haven't put it on my website and

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I should.
So thank you for that, Dr.

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Appreciate that.
I will have to go do that, and

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what I am also going to do is
wait to do little things like

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that until this conference is
over so I can keep my sanity.

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I've got way too many balls that
I'm juggling right now for my

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taste.
All right, so let's keep it

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going.
And you know what?

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Before we get to yeah, let's do
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I'm going to get to some news
bites and then we'll get into

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some AI news.
Nick shared something with me

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recently that I want to share
with you all.

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We'll, we'll talk to Nick in a
moment.

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First, some news bites that may
be of interest to you.

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First, Spotify has reported that
the sports genre is the fastest

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growing video podcast category
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They report that consumption is
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especially video, you may be
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these days than previously.
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the whole Taylor Swift guest
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This is more recent.
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it was pretty a pretty
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Well, that single appearance
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Still, when you look at the 60
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of Aceo held the edge with 33
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Sorry, let me say that again.
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while New Heights landed at 3.2
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Wow, Can you imagine your
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downloads?
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So there, that was a big report,
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heights.
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tidbit I wanted to share with
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While Dr. continues to make eggs
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I'll continue to share.
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Here's what you need to know.
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Anyone use Patreon that's
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whether you're on stage or in
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I'm curious if you do.
Hey, Alex.

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Hey everybody.
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Have you noticed any changes yet
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Came in.
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I don't go on there a lot, but
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So it doesn't surprise me.
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obviously not.
Yeah, no problem.

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I'm useless in that area.
That's OK.

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And Patreon, just for those who
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beyond.
And I saw Ashley, you had your

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hot pepper flash, so that means
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So yeah, go for it.
Oh, I just wanted to say that I

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run a Patreon community for a
singer-songwriter and I'm also

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about to start running one for a
music venue and they are really

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rolling out some cool features.
So, podcasters, there's some

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great things for y'all there,
that's all.

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OK, awesome.
Thank you, Ashley.

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Appreciate that.
So go check that out if you want

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to see these new updates or
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Highly encouraged.
It's something that's been on my

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list for a while that I again,
we'll get to after the empowered

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podcasting conference at the end
of this month in Charlotte, NC.

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Another item for you, a new tool
promises to change how listeners

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navigate your podcast.
Some of you may know this name

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Daniel J Lewis.
He's the same guy behind other

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tools like my podcast reviews.
He recently dropped a brand new

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tool called Pod Chapters.
Think of it as your AI powered

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assistant for making podcast
chapters.

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So that is much like YouTube.
If you've seen it before

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YouTube, you can just skip to a
certain section of a video.

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It's got chapter titles.
You click on it, it jumps you

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right to that chapter so you can
upload your audio to this new

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service Pod Chapters, and it
spits out a transcript plus

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suggested chapter markers with
titles all neatly packaged right

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in your browser.
No software installs, no hassle.

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It's designed to help your
listeners jump straight to the

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moment they care about.
So I, I mean, and I think that

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this is really handy.
I mean, the plus is, is that,

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you know, Nick talks about this
every so often that he likes to

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sometimes find a video, just go
right to where he needs to go to

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answer that question and then
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It makes it very convenient for
your audience and it definitely

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can hurt your listener retention
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Because now they're just.
It's in some cases hand plucking

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what they want out of it.
So that's just something to

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think about, but I prefer to
provide convenience to my

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audience, and I think that that
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relationship between me and my
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coming back for my content.
Hey, Mark, I think a topic that

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we may want to explore is when
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that's a, that's a a problem,
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I think a lot of times people
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I don't know how really good AI
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but I think that if you look at
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whole, it might be something
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But again, I it's not for right
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I'm just saying it's something
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Put on the list of stuff that we
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Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you, Alex.

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That will absolutely go on the
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I think you you make a good
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That would be a good
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And here's my question, Would
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when this kind of feature is
already built into a lot of the

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tools that we use, right?
Like Riverside does this

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automatically for you, Buzz
Sprout does that automatically

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for you and a lot of their
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do that for you.
So my question really is, is

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what instances would a podcaster
want to use something like this?

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Mark I I.
Have a question about this and

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maybe for Nick too on the
YouTube side, do you see the

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behavior in the back end
dashboard on these platforms of

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like, OK, I had 100 views, but
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I'm talking and such That's the
case.

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If you can see that data, that'd
be really awesome to go OK, this

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is what my audience is really
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In my next piece of content,
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into the subject.
OK Full disclosure I was on the

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beta team for this and I have
not used it yet.

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And I almost, I was started to
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and I gave the contrarian view
and you know would anyone use

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this and why would anyone use
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Buzzprat?
And I thought better of it and I

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decided not to send it.
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he is a data guy and it would
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the case.
And as we speak I'm logging on

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to it trying to figure it out.
One of his big claims is that it

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is very accurate.
And I know Ashley and I can

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attest we've run our transcripts
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Descript, Otter, etcetera.
And the time codes can often be

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quite off.
The chapter titles that it gives

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it, they work, but it's usually
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often times have to go make some
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Billy, to your question, I'd
have not seen that.

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I don't know, Nick, have you
seen anything that in analytics

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that speaks to chapters and how
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The.
Podcasting side, I'd be very

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surprised if there were any
analytics on that, seeing that

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analytics are sparse the same
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But how about YouTube specific?
On the YouTube side, I have to

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look I've seen something like
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I know they, they have like the
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don't know, you can see kind of
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entire video.
And I wonder if that has any

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correlation, like if you see a
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the video, if that could
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on a specific chapter and
jumping directly to that.

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I'll have to look to see if
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the back end there that shows
people clicking on specific

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chapters.
Yeah, and it just.

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It just shows the most watched
part of the video and where it

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was, but you kind of have to sit
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it'll show you exactly where
people are stopping and

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starting.
Yeah, that's true.

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So that that does kind of speak
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ways.
I.

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Just don't know if it does it in
the way that you may want to

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read it, but we'll show you
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Not the way you want it.
Can I read a a fast list of what

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it includes?
The smart pro ID 3 tags, legacy

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MP3 chapters, podcasting 2 point
O chapters, pod love simple

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chapters.
I don't know what that is.

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Time stamped outline YouTube
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hours of audio per month.
Outline to chapters, AI

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suggested chapters.
Upload your own transcript AI

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powered transcription and
download generated VTT

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transcripts.
I don't know what that means.

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Very robust.
And yes, some of those things,

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I'm not sure what they mean
either.

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Most of it I, I follow, but it
sounds robust.

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And I mean, that does make it
piques my interest a little

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more.
And it's not to say I think that

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this is a terrible tool or a
waste of time.

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It's just for me personally, if
it's already built into a tool

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that I'm using a lot and I'm OK
with the tool and what it does,

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I may not switch out.
But like I said earlier, I

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haven't yet found a tool that
really does a good job at doing

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chapters and some of these other
features on top of it.

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So that would that would cause
me to pause and consider a tool

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like this.
So we'll see.

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Maybe I'll test it out just for
the sake of the show and let you

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know what I think.
And if it works out well, then

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awesome.
We have a poll, by the way,

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running right now here live on
clubhouse.

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And the question is, would you
use pod chapters specifically

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this tool when when there's
automatic tools pre-existing and

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we have 23% say yes, they would,
78% no, they wouldn't.

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All right, let's get into some
headlines.

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And I was about to hit the the
news music, but not appropriate

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in my opinion for this first
headline of the morning.

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And we did break the news
yesterday during the show when

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Pod News reported it.
We lost a podcasting great on

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September 8th, Todd Cochran.
He passed away suddenly at the

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age of just 61.
It's a little eerie if you go to

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his Facebook page and look at
his Last Post, which I believe

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was the day or two before the
his passing where he had missed

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a flight or no, he was almost
going to miss a flight at the

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Denver airport.
It was a connection flight.

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And if you've been in that
airport before, some of the

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gates are very far away from one
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it can take you up to up to 1/2
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next gate.
And he was apparently in his

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post cutting it close and ran
his tail off.

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And in his post and in the
comments of his post, he kept

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talking about how he kept using
thing references like oh, it

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almost gave me a heart attack.
Get the heart attack paddles.

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And I don't know if he passed up
a heart attack.

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And it was just very eerie to
see and breaks my heart to have

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seen that.
But I want to tell you some

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things about him, in case you
don't know.

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00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,480
First and foremost, a lot of
people nowadays know him as the

451
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,360
CEO of Blueberry Podcasting, a
podcast hosting platform, among

452
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:53,880
other things.
But he's been at it for a long

453
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,800
time, as long as I've been at
it.

454
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,560
And he's been way more public
about podcasting in the earlier

455
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,440
years than I ever was, meaning I
wasn't teaching people,

456
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,400
educating people about
podcasting.

457
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,760
I was just going through my own
podcast journey for at least the

458
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,520
first decade of my career.
And then some interesting stuff

459
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,640
about him.
He recovered from what's, I'll

460
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,640
just say a life altering injury
in 2004.

461
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,480
And that's how he discovered
Adam Curry's daily source code.

462
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,640
Adam Curry being considered the
pod father of podcasting.

463
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,600
So once he had this life
altering injury, he turned to

464
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,160
podcasting, which obviously was
very new at the time.

465
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,720
At the time, he became one of
the earliest podcasters with

466
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:50,760
Geek News Central, launching it
in October of 2004 from a modest

467
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,760
hotel room setup using a $15 mic
from Walmart.

468
00:28:54,760 --> 00:29:03,080
And again, even finding a $15
mic anywhere for retail in 2004

469
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,480
was way more challenging than it
is today.

470
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,040
That show became GoDaddy became
the show's sponsor, I should

471
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:17,680
say, in 2005 after Todd Todd's
episodes generated 370 customers

472
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,680
in the first month.
And remarkably, that partnership

473
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,640
lasted 20 years, making one of
podcasting's longest known

474
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,320
sponsorships.
He founded the Tech Podcast

475
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,120
Network, one of the earliest
podcast networks, comprising of

476
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,280
12 different shows.
He launched Raw Voice, which is

477
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,400
the parent company of Blueberry,
also in 2005.

478
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,040
He built it organically without
external funding, working

479
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,840
alongside his naval career until
fully transitioning into

480
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,200
civilian life in 2019.
He initiated podcast awards that

481
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,960
same year.
You heard me if you've been

482
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,240
listening for a little bit a few
months ago, asking you to help

483
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,320
me get nominated for for a
podcasting award.

484
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,040
Unfortunately, that didn't pan
out this time.

485
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:14,480
He authored podcasting the Do It
Yourself Guide in 2005, which is

486
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,520
being reported as potentially
one of the very first, if not

487
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,680
the very first book dedicated to
podcasting.

488
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,280
And he was a was a vocal
supporter of open RSS.

489
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,840
He urged podcasters to host on
their own websites using

490
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,920
Powerpress WordPress plugin and
championed live streaming of his

491
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:41,200
show starting in 2009.
And I think he he had a lot to

492
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,800
do with that Powerpress,
WordPress plugin, whether he

493
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,520
might have even created it.
And please forgive me, I don't

494
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,080
recall for sure, But I know he
was instrumental in getting that

495
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,760
plug in on WordPress, which
really changed the game for us

496
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,600
as podcasters and the websites
that we use, the website

497
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,920
builders that we use.
There's a lot more I could go

498
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,240
into here.
And DRI know you follow some of

499
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,360
the people that knew him well.
Anything stick out to you just

500
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,520
as far as what people shared
about Todd?

501
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:17,920
No, just that he was so
incredibly generous with his

502
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,840
time and his knowledge, his
podcasting knowledge.

503
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,920
And gosh, I don't know, there's
something in the back of my

504
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,360
mind, I thought I saw a video of
him while he was in the

505
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,840
Philippines.
Something tells me that maybe he

506
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,880
has a house in the Philippines
or something because the video

507
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,240
that I saw of him, it was not a
hotel room.

508
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,440
It looked very much like a Home
Office.

509
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,680
There was things, you know,
stuck up on the wall.

510
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,320
There was a cork board and
things like that.

511
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,760
And he was talking about, you
know, that we have to be careful

512
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,560
because there's a big storm
coming in.

513
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,840
So that makes me think, and I
could be wrong, that makes me

514
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,800
think that maybe he had a
residence in the Philippines and

515
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,520
which is always interesting to
me, people who have a house in

516
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,960
another country.
But he was one of The Pioneers,

517
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,160
you know, that came along.
And it's just sad to see a

518
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,600
pioneer go, that's all.
Thank you, Dr. Yeah, And by the

519
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,680
way, I've mentioned a few times
that he was a podcast Hall of

520
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,400
Famer.
He was inducted in 2015.

521
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,440
He was also this is an
interesting fact from Pod News.

522
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,840
He was among the earliest
financial supporters of pod news

523
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,720
and why I say this is
interesting.

524
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,160
Sure, in itself that's
interesting that he was one of

525
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,560
the first, but he has a
competing podcast news site to

526
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,040
pod news.
Yet he still was the early one

527
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,120
of the earliest financial
supporters and continued to this

528
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560
day.
What is the site do you know?

529
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,120
I don't know.
They didn't.

530
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,680
Todd News didn't actually name
the site, so I didn't know what

531
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,200
that site was.
One thing I want to leave

532
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,920
everybody with and then we can
move on from the story.

533
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,640
That I think is important.
I saw my friend, colleague Anna

534
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,200
Xavier had posted in her stories
about the loss of Todd, and she

535
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,720
pointed out that too often we
wait until someone's gone to

536
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,520
express how much they mean to
us.

537
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,240
And if you look around at some
of the more known podcasters,

538
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,480
independent podcasters out
there, you'll see some really

539
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,400
powerful and kind things about
Todd, how he personally helped

540
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,200
people, touched people,
etcetera.

541
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,280
And unfortunately, it's all
being said now that he's gone,

542
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,720
unfortunately, I think to him in
some ways.

543
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,520
So whether it's respect for
their work, admiration for how

544
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,840
they carry themselves, or maybe
it's just gratitude for the way

545
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,800
that they've touched our lives,
those words matter most when

546
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,760
people can still hear them, in
my opinion.

547
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,840
So let this be a reminder to all
of us, not just in podcasting,

548
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,360
but in life, to tell the people
you look up to, the people who

549
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,840
inspire you, the people who you
care about, how much they mean

550
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,239
to you while you still can.
There were definitely references

551
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,440
of people just saying that they
wish they had told him some of

552
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,280
the things that they shared.
So I will just ask if anyone

553
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,920
wants to share.
Who's that person for you that

554
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,800
you're going to go out of your
way and just let them know how

555
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,320
much they mean to you?
Who is that person in your life,

556
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:31,120
podcasting and or beyond?
Who would you reach out to and

557
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,440
share?
Are we all being shy?

558
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,480
I reached out to yesterday after
I read his post and after I had

559
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,480
had the the speaker meeting for
Empowered Podcasting, another

560
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,679
Hall of Famer, Dave Jackson.
I reached out to Dave.

561
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,520
This I never knew.
I'll just admit I never knew

562
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,440
what to really make of Dave
until this conference where he

563
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,600
and I have now had private
conversations.

564
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,840
We've had conversations in our
group settings.

565
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,480
He's a good guy and he's he
genuinely cares about this

566
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,440
conference.
He genuinely wants to see it

567
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,880
grow.
And I just reached out to him to

568
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,840
just tell him how much I
appreciate his enthusiasm,

569
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,760
appreciate that he's coming, how
grateful I am that he's going to

570
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,320
be a part of this event and pour
into this event.

571
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,400
Like I said, he was one of the
people I saw that had posted

572
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,440
just saying that like he had
wished he had taken more

573
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,840
pictures of the two of them.
And I think I'll loosely quote

574
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,760
him.
He said I didn't take those

575
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,880
pictures because I just assumed
I'll see him again soon.

576
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,480
So reach out to somebody.
And if you're feeling a little

577
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,200
shy or that person hasn't come
up in your mind yet, I encourage

578
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,880
you to think about it and reach
out to that person in your life

579
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,440
that's still with us, that you
can share your gratitude, share

580
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,440
your appreciation.
I think it'll go a long way for

581
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:01,040
that person and for you.
OK, let's keep things moving.

582
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,720
Let's get to some AI news.
Nick.

583
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:08,360
There's been an update to Google
Gemini, which I've got to say

584
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,840
I've been using a little bit
more lately.

585
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,320
And I think I've said this once
or twice before, but I'll it

586
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,960
goes.
It's worth saying again.

587
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,960
I can't believe how fast it is
at generating high quality

588
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:26,160
imaging when I ask ChatGPT to
make cover art for an episode.

589
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,520
It probably takes.
And I'm not complaining, I'm

590
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,120
just pointing out it probably
can take anywhere from like 3 to

591
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,720
5 minutes for it to really spit
it out and then I have to go

592
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:40,960
back sometimes and make changes.
I think that on average it's

593
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,200
taken under a minute to do the
same thing with Google Gemini.

594
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,240
It's really awesome now.
Nick just disappeared, so I'm

595
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,520
going to take this story for
Nick.

596
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,680
I think that, yeah.
Is this the nano banana thing?

597
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,880
No, this is not nano Banana.
We did talk about nano banana

598
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,600
last week, I believe, which is
also pretty amazing Yes, and

599
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,000
that's that is that does have to
do with the graphics.

600
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,320
So I understand why that
triggered that in your mind, but

601
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,200
no, this is something new.
They just got some new upgrades

602
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Gemini did and it could
streamline some podcast

603
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,640
workflows once we fully
understand how it works from

604
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,480
transcribing and summarizing
audio to repurposing content

605
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:30,280
into various things, whether
it's worksheets, quizzes, blogs,

606
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,880
etcetera in over 80 different
languages.

607
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,240
So what am I talking about?
Podcasters can upload up to 10

608
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:41,640
minutes of audio for free or
three hours if you are a pro or

609
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,600
ultra user for transcription,
summarization, content

610
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,040
generation, et cetera.
It supports multiple files and

611
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:57,200
zips, which is ideal if you are
a batching kind of podcaster and

612
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Gemini it it has been Gemini's
most requested feature from

613
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,880
creators.
So it's finally here.

614
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,200
I get it that 10 minutes may not
give you a ton to work with if

615
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,520
you're only using the free, but
if you're a short form content

616
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,200
person, this could really be an
interesting tool for you.

617
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,040
And I did mention about the 80
different languages, they added

618
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,560
five new ones.
It works with languages now in

619
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,560
languages like Hindi,
Indonesian, Japanese, Korean,

620
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,960
etcetera, and Portuguese, I
think is the other one.

621
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,480
And I see that Janae has joined
us on stage.

622
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,040
Janae, did you want to talk
about any of this because you

623
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,280
came up right when I brought it
up.

624
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Good morning, everyone.
Yes, that is something really

625
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,320
amazing that I've seen with
technology and and thank you for

626
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:50,120
sharing that Gemini can do
faster images of always testing

627
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,360
new features.
So Royal, really good to hear

628
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:59,520
that we have that another tool
in our tool belt to go to now.

629
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,280
What what's interesting is that
you're saying, you know, 10

630
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,680
minutes of free audio up to
three hours for pro and ultra.

631
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,080
Now most of us who are already
podcasting have, you know,

632
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,480
systems in place.
So this could be another add on

633
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,040
to let's say do another
workflow, but not have to do

634
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,480
depend on the one tool to do all
of the things.

635
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:22,880
Also wanted to share about the
earlier news that you shared

636
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:28,200
about Todd Todd Grand really sad
him go and he was just a really

637
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,720
kind gentleman.
Got to meet him over the past

638
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:36,040
few years and always, always
take some really good stuff from

639
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,280
those conversations.
Thanks for bringing that.

640
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,440
And thank you for bringing it
up.

641
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,120
You're welcome.
And I didn't get to know Todd

642
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,160
very well.
I knew of him.

643
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,080
I think we've said hello before,
but really didn't get to know

644
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,680
him well.
And one of the things I've

645
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,200
heard, Janae, and tell me if you
agree that he was a big, he was

646
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,240
very much a straight shooter.
He didn't hold back in his

647
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,960
opinions and he wasn't he wasn't
mean about it.

648
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:04,240
He was just very opinionated and
really stuck to his guns.

649
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,280
Is that something that you
recall?

650
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,200
That is very accurate.
He is a straight shooter and

651
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,920
somebody would that much of
experience.

652
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,360
It totally makes sense.
You know, he's like, hey, this

653
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,880
is how things work.
This is how things are and fun

654
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,040
fact and 2012 when I started my
podcast, I used their software

655
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,200
to, you know, do a self hosted
podcast.

656
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,200
So really cool to, you know,
follow the journey and and see

657
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,800
where it took us.
Yeah, I saw even there are some

658
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,760
people in our community that
were commenting on his passing

659
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,440
as well.
He's touched a lot of people and

660
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,680
we wish his family all the best
during this difficult time, I'm

661
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,640
sure for them.
Yeah.

662
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,720
So that's Google's new Gemini
feature.

663
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,360
If you want to test it out.
Let us know what you think.

664
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,760
Alex, did you want to add
something?

665
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,360
I have a question because, and
maybe this is another topic,

666
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,640
sorry, but do you consider
Gemini?

667
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,800
I have Chachi PT, I'm trying to
do stuff with it and I know

668
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,240
there's not one solution for the
smaller podcaster that wants to

669
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,680
put some of their eggs in some
basket.

670
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,960
Do we need to have both or is
Gemini better?

671
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Honestly, Alex, I think the
tools are they have their own

672
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,440
features that some you know,
works well with ChatGPT doesn't

673
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,600
work well with Gemini.
I think it's a matter of playing

674
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,320
around with it.
I still like using chat GB TI

675
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,840
feel like I'm getting better
answers when I'm using it to

676
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,440
help me brainstorm and create
content as far as like if I'm

677
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,640
outlining an idea for a real or
for a new episode.

678
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,800
I still like using ChatGPT
better.

679
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,320
I think part of that's because
it feels weird to say because it

680
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:58,920
knows me so well and so I it, it
just gets me now at least way

681
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,200
more than Gemini does.
So I think that could be a

682
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,000
little bit of a bias there too.
I, I suggest really playing with

683
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,080
both.
Both do a side by side.

684
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,080
You know, the way I discovered
how much faster it was was that

685
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,200
I was using ChatGPT to create
episode art.

686
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,480
It was taking a minute and I
mean, maybe I was feeling a

687
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,520
little impatient.
So I had remembered that that

688
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,840
Gemini came out with the Nano
Banana feature, which is highly

689
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,760
improved graphics.
And so I was like, I'll try it

690
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,720
out while I'm waiting.
I'll give it the same prompt.

691
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,480
And I did and it spit it out in
like 30 seconds and it was

692
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,280
really good.
I think that was the one I I

693
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,880
actually used that for a recent
episode.

694
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,560
Dumb question, does it?
Did it give you the same exact

695
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:44,560
image?
I'm just curious.

696
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:45,360
No.
Or did.

697
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,560
You give it the image or and it
gave it something.

698
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,120
Different.
Yeah, I you mean same image in

699
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,240
comparison to what ChatGPT spit
out?

700
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,840
No, it did not.
I mean, it would certainly

701
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,160
captured the essence, the same
essence, but they were two

702
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,680
different images.
Clearly.

703
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,400
You could see it clearly.
Yeah, OK, thanks.

704
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,520
You're welcome.
Yes, Sid, go ahead.

705
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,320
Good morning.
Good morning everybody.

706
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,680
I saw this chart of and that
Newton screenshot it.

707
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,600
I don't remember where I saw it,
but it showed all these AI tools

708
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,880
and I was blown away at the
icons on the screen.

709
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,960
It's just so many tools.
You talk about shiny object

710
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,640
syndrome and you know, trying to
figure out, go, let me try this,

711
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,080
let me try this, let me try that
one, right?

712
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,160
So I say all this to say to
Alex's point, my recommendation

713
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,080
is absolutely, you should try
new things.

714
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,800
You should not try everything.
And if you've got something

715
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,600
that's working for you and
working well for you, and you're

716
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,280
happy with it, you're happy with
what you're paying for it, then

717
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,320
stick with it.
Just because somebody launches a

718
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,360
new AI tool tomorrow doesn't
mean you have to go jump on it

719
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,240
and pay for it.
Yeah, it's great to investigate

720
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,200
it and to learn about it, but
there's so many out there that

721
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,920
it could stop you from forward
progress because you're

722
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,800
exploring so many options.
So if you got something working

723
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,920
for you, stick with it,
especially if it works well for

724
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,800
you.
Yeah, I'm with you there, Sid.

725
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,200
Thank you for saying that.
And I think that's an advantage

726
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,840
of listening to this show.
And here's what I mean.

727
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,400
You'll hear us talking about a
lot of these different AI tools.

728
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,600
But you, you know how much I'm a
fan and Nick's a fan.

729
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,440
And we'll always update you on
new tools.

730
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:24,960
Take that as as your way of
being introduced to it without

731
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,560
the pressure of actually having
to go get every tool that we

732
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,960
talk about.
You know, if something catches

733
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,200
your ear and you are really
interested and you think, Oh

734
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,840
yeah, that tool might help me
because the one I'm using now

735
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,240
sucks and I don't like it, then
sure, go jump on it.

736
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:42,640
But otherwise, just consume the
information we're providing you

737
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,720
for now and don't feel like you
have to go and get every single

738
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,560
tool.
It will slow you down.

739
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,920
It will not speed things up for
you if you're trying all the

740
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,440
tools at especially all at the
same time or roughly the same

741
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,040
time.
Thank you, Sid for saying that.

742
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,160
I appreciate it.
Real quick.

743
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,800
I want to give everyone an
update also on Instagram and a

744
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,920
new feature coming from
Instagram.

745
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,320
And Jonathan, you're welcome to
chime in with any thoughts on

746
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,520
this.
They now have added the feature

747
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,960
to allow you to pin your own
comments to your own content.

748
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,520
So if you weren't aware, you can
pin up to, I believe, up to

749
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,240
three comments.
So you could highlight people's

750
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:29,680
comments, especially if you feel
like it adds value to the, the

751
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,600
post that you're sharing.
That's how I like to use pinned

752
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,600
comments.
Also, I like to use pinned

753
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,360
comments because it helps with
engagement.

754
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,280
That's another episode we can
talk about another time, but

755
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,360
now, but it, the one thing you
couldn't do was pin your own

756
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,800
comments, which I had often
wanted to do because I think it

757
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,080
again, it adds another layer to
the post and it's coming from

758
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,640
you.
So for example, I could post

759
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,880
about episode 8 with Dominic
Lawson talking about podcast

760
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:02,080
awards, and I could reference
where to find that episode in

761
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,360
the comments and then pin it so
it's the first comment everyone

762
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,080
will see.
I really like this feature.

763
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,000
I think it's really helpful.
You can provide additional

764
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,120
context.
You can answer common questions

765
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,800
and pin it without having to
rewrite the caption every time.

766
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:22,800
So if you've posted something
and people seem to be asking the

767
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,320
same question over and over,
answer it and pin it.

768
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,480
You can share updates quickly.
So if you've, you know, posted

769
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,880
about something going on in your
life and then something has

770
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,600
changed since then, you could do
it in the comments and pin it

771
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,200
there.
There's all sorts of things you

772
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,200
can do with that.
Anything Jonathan, you want to

773
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,080
add?
And no pressure.

774
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,560
I know you're also under the
weather.

775
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,000
I like you for some of the some
of those use cases.

776
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,480
And then there's the other use
cases where people are just,

777
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,520
yeah, this is a great post.
Like there's no need for that

778
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,200
stuff.
So I think using it for a good

779
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,040
purpose, it's useful.
Other reasons, sometimes it gets

780
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,680
a little annoying for the
reader.

781
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,040
And I think it only allows you
to post one of your comment,

782
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,520
like pin one of your comments,
which is a good thing because

783
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,840
there are people that would pin
multiple of their comments

784
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,440
because I, I know people do it
from their other accounts as

785
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,040
well, like they'll pin a comment
from another account.

786
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,760
And yeah, it's a little bit
much.

787
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,000
Let let's see what the actual
readers are are commenting.

788
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,960
Yeah, agreed.
Agreed.

789
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,600
Thank you, Jonathan.
All right, because we are

790
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,560
running short on time, I want to
move to the next story about

791
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,760
YouTube Dr. Take it away.
So something weird is happening

792
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,320
over on YouTube.
Multiple creators, from big

793
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,800
players like Linus Media Group
to cult favorites like Red

794
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,120
Letter Media, are reporting that
up to 25% of their views have

795
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,880
suddenly vanished.
The channels like Second Wind

796
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,480
and Moon Channel are scratching
their heads, wondering if they

797
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,280
tripped an invisible wire.
While speculation ranges from

798
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,000
swearing penalties to mysterious
algorithm tweaks, YouTube is of

799
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,880
course silent, leaving creators
in the dark while their traffic

800
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,720
tanks.
For podcasters running video

801
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:17,520
shows on YouTube, this isn't
just an inconvenience, it's a

802
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,600
business killer.
So if you're traffic nosedives

803
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,160
without warning, your
monetization, ad rates, and

804
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,760
audience growth strategies are
gone.

805
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,600
This underlines the fragility of
building your empire on rented

806
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,640
land.
I love that phrase.

807
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,280
I love that phrase.
YouTube remains the biggest

808
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,720
stage in town, but it also makes
you dance to a tooth that you

809
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:48,720
did not write.
Now, some predict that YouTube

810
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:52,360
will issue a bland little You
know we're looking into its

811
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,920
statement.
Creators will scream, and then

812
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,200
the algorithm will quickly
adjust back.

813
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,040
Or not, Maybe, but the trend is
clear.

814
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,600
The bigger YouTube gets, the
less transparent it becomes.

815
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,360
Smart podcasters should be using
YouTube as a visibility fuel,

816
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,680
not their only oxygen supply.
I like it.

817
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,920
I'll tell you, Billy said it
before during Twitter and our

818
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,440
TikTok and everything else it
more and more we should be

819
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,800
hosting our stuff on our own
websites because we are guests

820
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,080
and it can be pulled at any time
and it's getting scarier and

821
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,040
scarier.
Sorry, I jumped the line.

822
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,400
Agreed.
I agree totally.

823
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,760
Yeah, the annoying thing is, is
there's really no other option

824
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,400
as far as video platforms,
right?

825
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,880
I mean, yes, there is Spotify,
but as far as the way YouTube

826
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,480
works, the way it's used, there
are no real competitors to it.

827
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,320
YouTube is the place.
So we're kind of stuck if we

828
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,200
want to do video content and get
it out to the masses like that.

829
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,960
Yeah, Tiktok is short form.
Instagrams got short form, but

830
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,800
I'm talking about podcasts and
long form content on the YouTube

831
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,320
platform.
Yeah, So not much we can do

832
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,600
about that.
And it just also reminds me of

833
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,720
the days a few years ago with
Instagram where I saw not just

834
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:23,280
my own content, but everybody's
content it looked like was

835
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,840
getting way more attention than
they do now.

836
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,320
And you know, I I would get, I
would post videos and they would

837
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,240
on average get several 1000
views at a time.

838
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,680
Now it's on average several 100.
I can't break free of that and

839
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,920
that's fine.
I just accept it for what it is.

840
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:51,240
But it you can clearly see that
these platforms do adjust things

841
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:54,840
like your view count, not not
actually going in and manually

842
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,840
changing it, but adjust the
throttle, right?

843
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,240
How many people they're going to
allow to see it and how many

844
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,560
they're not?
So when you were getting all

845
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,840
those views, was this not that
time when there was like bot

846
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:12,600
gate that it was?
Certainly possible, but it but

847
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,760
that content also would get a
lot of engagement from real

848
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,560
people.
So I think it would might have

849
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,200
been a combination, but still, I
do believe that had a lot to do

850
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,000
with Instagram changing an
algorithm at some point at you

851
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:32,040
know, between 2020 and I'd say
2022, it was the view counts and

852
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,800
engagement was way higher for me
and what I see others as it is

853
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,560
today.
And I think that that was just

854
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,080
Instagram changing some things.
I saw Sid and Janae wanted to

855
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,400
say something.
Go ahead, Sid, and then we'll

856
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,160
check in with Janae.
I just would like to say that

857
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:50,360
this story also highlights why
you need a monetization strategy

858
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,920
that is beyond the stupid CPM
rates and clicks and views and

859
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,200
listens.
You need a monetization strategy

860
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,160
that involves sponsorships and
people that are, you know,

861
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,760
supporting your show and not
necessarily we're concerned with

862
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,480
how many downloads you get, but
more concerned about who your

863
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,440
community is and how you can
impact them with your reach.

864
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,480
So you got to go beyond that
stupid CPM rate.

865
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,360
It's kind of the same thing,
right?

866
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,640
It's really own your own stuff
and have your own plan

867
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,640
strategies, including
monetization on your own

868
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,200
platforms as best you can.
Janae, did you want to say

869
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,760
something?
Absolutely excellent points.

870
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:36,280
Rented land, use your own place
is very important, but sometimes

871
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,120
you're living in an apartment
and you get an eviction and you

872
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,560
go go find another apartment.
This is similar to that, but you

873
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:50,000
also want to see YouTube ad
announced earlier this year that

874
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,520
any content that was created
using AI is not going to be

875
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,200
monetized and they're probably
going to pull back views on

876
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,040
that.
So it might be that time has

877
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,120
come and they are not
implementing that.

878
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,600
So could be one of those things.
So again, I don't know who these

879
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,440
channels are.
I don't know if they were

880
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,640
created AI content and which
videos specifically were

881
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,800
affected because that's
something that YouTube is

882
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,000
focusing on.
They want to highlight the

883
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,600
creators that are actually
creating content, putting the

884
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,280
time in, as opposed to channels
that are just propped up to push

885
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,400
AI content.
That's a really good point.

886
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,040
It's an interesting point,
Janae, because I remember we

887
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,280
reported on that not too long
ago about YouTube cracking down

888
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,560
on AI generated content and
maybe this is a result.

889
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,880
It very well could be.
Alex, did you want to say

890
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,960
something?
This is that a different topic

891
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,400
but I just was watching on my
shorts or whatever Stacy came up

892
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,600
on there.
Stacy started from not wanting

893
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,880
to open the box and she has a
podcast.

894
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,920
She does all this other stuff.
If you go on to her, her

895
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,600
stories, she's a giant stadium
today talking in front of a

896
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,920
whole bunch of people.
And she makes me so jealous,

897
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,320
proud and angry all at the same
time.

898
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,440
Because not the angry because
she's doing exactly what we're

899
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,400
supposed to be doing and I need
to be working harder and at this

900
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,360
game.
And it's just a testament of

901
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:30,240
consistency and making it work.
And she's busted her butt

902
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:33,440
watching her little journey
because nobody knew what CX was

903
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,240
in this room before this.
It's amazing because it just

904
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,120
popped up and I was like, wow,
that's really cool.

905
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:42,200
Thank you, Alex.
Thanks for shouting Stacy out.

906
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,160
Long time community member of
the podcasting morning chat.

907
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,200
Yeah, I saw that too and thought
that was very cool.

908
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,400
It must have been a little
uncomfortable for her walking

909
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,240
around a losing stadium though.
Alex, I know that Washington

910
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,320
handed it to your Giants this
past weekend, and I can't say

911
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,520
that I'm upset about that.
It's.

912
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,040
Honey, that it's time for this
show to end.

913
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,120
I don't know what that's all
about.

914
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,320
If we scored touchdowns instead
of field goals, we would have

915
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:07,720
beat.
You.

916
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,040
I hear you, but that's the name
of the game.

917
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,000
Can I jump in real quick?
Go for it, Sid.

918
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,680
Not about football, but about
Stacy.

919
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,480
So Stacy was quoted in a
research article of our by

920
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,040
Verizon and that research went
out to lots of people in

921
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,840
Verizon.
And then Verizon invited Stacy

922
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,520
to come speak on a panel at
MetLife Stadium.

923
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,560
So that's why she's there.
She's speaking on a panel and

924
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,600
she's got another engagement
she's doing tomorrow too.

925
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,280
I'm not just speaking
engagement, but you mentioned

926
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,680
earlier about sharing gratitude
to people that are important to

927
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,520
your life.
I will share those flowers to

928
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,520
Stacy today.
She's really pushing me to do

929
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,320
some things that I've been
putting off doing.

930
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,920
She and I have become
accountability partners in a

931
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,000
topic.
I talked to Stacy almost daily

932
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,480
and we talked the other day,
Alex, about her journey about

933
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,960
from being in this room, not
wanting to open the box to where

934
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:03,480
she is today, what she's doing.
And there's a lot to certainly

935
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,360
be said for Stacy and how far
she's come.

936
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,800
But she's an inspiration.
But she's also an amazing person

937
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,480
to push you to continue to do
great things.

938
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,880
And so I really appreciate her
and what she's doing to help me

939
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,760
get to the next level in certain
aspects of my business.

940
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,680
So Stacy, you know how much I
think about you and how much I

941
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,560
care about you, and thank you
for what you're doing to help

942
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,360
me.
Oh, that's awesome.

943
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,160
Thank you, Sid, and thanks for
really highlighting Stacey and

944
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,200
her journey both to you and
Alex.

945
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,400
And yeah, it's always a
bittersweet thing for me because

946
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,720
clearly we don't see Stacey here
as much anymore.

947
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,120
And that's because of exactly
what Sid just said.

948
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,440
It's because of all that growth,
because she's out there doing

949
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,600
all the things.
And it all started for her here

950
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,720
on the podcasting morning chat
years ago, several years ago,

951
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,960
being afraid to open up that box
to take out that microphone and

952
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,080
press record on her first
podcast.

953
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,080
Look at how far that journey has
come for her and for others.

954
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,680
You know, we, we have had
people.

955
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,160
That's why I say it's
bittersweet.

956
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,640
We've had people come into this
room, stay, stay with this

957
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,920
community on a daily basis and
then had had to walk away from

958
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,360
it at least a lot more than they
were attending.

959
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,000
And that's because they've just
moved into bigger things that

960
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,200
has taken up their time and they
can't commit to coming here in

961
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,040
the mornings.
Doesn't mean they've left the

962
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,560
community.
They're still a part of it.

963
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,880
And then some cases, a lot of
them have become leaders of this

964
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,000
community and the podcasting
community as a whole.

965
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,400
So it's very cool to see.
And I miss those voices and

966
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,040
those people.
But Stacey joins us from time to

967
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,600
time.
I think she was here just last

968
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,160
week.
Cool to hear, Sid.

969
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,320
Thank you for sharing that.
And thank you all for a great

970
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,920
conversation today.
Lots of headlines we didn't get

971
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,880
to.
I'll go through them with Dr.

972
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,120
and Ashley.
We'll see if there's any we want

973
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,720
to get to tomorrow.
And we'll have a full show of

974
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,920
podcasting talk tomorrow, 7:00
AM Eastern, as we do every

975
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,920
Tuesday through Friday.
We'll get back to Mondays here

976
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,680
after the conference.
I'll keep you posted there and

977
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,280
until tomorrow, make it a great
day everybody, take care.