366 - The Secret To Balancing Great Guest Interviews

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Tuesday, September 9th,
2025, and today we're launching

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a new segment where we play hot
takes from podcasting experts

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and season podcasters, starting
with Should your show be more

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about your guest than you?
So if you're listening live on

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Clubhouse, sit to share bottom
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share it.
However, Clubhouse lets you.

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And if you're listening via
podcast, please share this

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episode with a fellow podcaster.
And now give us about 30 seconds

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and we'll get things rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again podcasting,
morning chat.

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Thanks so much for being here.
I am your host Mark Ronik and

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currently on stage with me.
My Co hosts we have producer

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Ashley Feller, Dr. Faye, Nick
Naulback and Sid Meadows.

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And to those of you in the live
audience, hello, anybody home?

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Our first day of the new week
and we're waiting for our live

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audience.
That was a thing last week and

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it looks like it's continuing.
Takes everybody a few minutes to

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I guess wake up and join us.
I am grateful to have a crew

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here with me to kick off today's
discussion.

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And before we do, first a little
update for you, Empowered

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Podcasting.
The conference is 17 days away.

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I just actually put that number
in front of me today for the

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first time.
I've, you know, had that general

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sense of how how close it is,
but I didn't actually count down

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until today.
And I was like, whoa, 17 days.

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And the good news is, is that
ticket sales have been coming in

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as I've been promised by other
event planners that it just take

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it people are last minute in
general.

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And it is proving to be true
because those ticket sales are

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now finally coming in.
It looks like we will have a

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full house, maybe not quite the
number I had expected or I was

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shooting for.
I was shooting for around 150 to

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200.
Looks like we're going to be a

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little short of that and we'll
still have a full house.

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And I couldn't be more thrilled
and a little more relieved as

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well.
But this should be really a fun

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event.
And I yeah, Friday with the new,

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the new addition to the event
where we're now doing workshops

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to where I just felt it was
really important to do some more

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interactive stuff than just
having presenters sharing their

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knowledge, which I shouldn't
even say just because it's a lot

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of great information.
I want to make it more

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interactive.
Yeah, Dr. Speaking of

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interactive, do you want to
share?

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Do you still have plans of doing
the improv or?

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Oh yeah, I am.
I'm going to be hosting.

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Sure, that a little bit.
Sure.

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I'm going to be hosting a
workshop with a friend of mine

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who probably, I'm going to say,
introduced me to improv in the

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sense that introduced me to
actually participating with, you

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know, in an improv exercise.
If you, some of you may remember

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several years back, I don't
know, maybe three years ago or

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so, I went to Dallas or yeah,
Dallas, and we rented a house

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with, or I rented a house with
like 6 other creators and we had

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workshops of our own for this
small group.

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And my friend Chris hosted an
Improv 1 and I was horrific at

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it.
And I now, as you know, now have

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been taking improv classes over
the past year.

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I still believe I'm horrific at
it, but I'm a little more, I'm a

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little more seasoned at it now.
I don't know, Dr. So Dr. is

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saying that because Dr. and I
got together this weekend.

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You want to share a little bit
about that, Dr. We had so much

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fun it now the purpose had
nothing to do with podcasting,

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but I belong to a mastermind
group with David Hooper.

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And in that mastermind group
there is the most one of the

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most beautiful souls I've ever
met in my life.

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Her name is Zeta Christensen and
she took care of her husband who

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had Alzheimer's and she has a
podcast all about caregiving.

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And it got into her head that
there's something about

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caregiving and improv, something
about improv that can help the

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caregivers if you incorporate
improv into your daily routine

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with them.
Because what came out in the

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over the weekend was, you know,
you have to do like little white

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lies.
Where's my father?

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Oh, he, he's donating time at
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Don't worry about him when
father has been gone for like 40

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years, you know, that kind of
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So you have to be quick on your
feet when it comes to taking

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care of these types of patients
And getting your improv shoes on

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is is really such a, it's a
great escape and it's really

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informative and really will help
you.

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So her nephew is a professional
improver, improv improviser,

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improv teacher, improv teacher.
And so they are kind of honing

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this program.
And we were in the beta group

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over the weekend and I had such
a good time.

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Did you have a good time?
I had a great time, it was a lot

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of fun and I was curious how it
would work online and I thought

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it worked really well.
Yeah, yeah.

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Did you get anything that you
can take away for the event that

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you're?
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one of the reasons why I I did
this improv with you online on

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Saturday was to see how they
were doing, doing something like

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that.
So yeah, it it gave me it gave

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me a few ideas and really, if
anything, reaffirmed some of my

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own ideas for running this
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So yeah.
And I think that it's really

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good for also for those
caregivers that you were talking

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about, just to be able to have
some time to play, loosen up

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and, and play because life is
very serious a lot of times for

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a lot of caregivers.
And this gives you that

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opportunity to loosen up a
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And I think the same goes for
podcasters.

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I think that it it can help us
think on our feet, loosen up a

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little bit and remember to have
some fun.

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That's what I wanted to get to,
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Why is it so important for
podcasters?

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And that's exactly right, yeah.
Yep, absolutely.

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So I will be the leading that
workshop with my friend Chris,

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who was the one that introduced
me to it.

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Looking forward to to doing
that.

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So yeah,
empoweredpodcasting.com, you can

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go get your tickets, book your
hotel, all at that website.

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So come join us there.
OK, Now I want to get into

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something new on the show every
now and then.

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What I want to do is play a
short clip from a podcast coach,

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expert, a fellow podcaster,
someone sharing a strong opinion

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or hot takes about podcasting.
And to be clear, we're not here

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to attack the person in the clip
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We may have a difference of
opinion, we may not, we may all

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agree.
Who knows?

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We will see.
But instead, we're here to use

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their take as a spark for the
conversation.

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We'll listen and then we're
going to discuss things like, do

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we agree with the take?
Do we disagree?

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And most importantly, why?
And a little spoiler alert, a

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future segment when we do this
again, we we have something from

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Matt Bliss and his podcast
Rethinking Podcasting.

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Not not starting with that one
with the inaugural segment, but

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nonetheless, we will be having
clips from our own team and

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their podcasts as well.
And you know, I said a moment

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ago, most importantly, speaking
about why we agree or disagree

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and Speaking of why, here's why
I think that this new segment is

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valuable.
For one, I think it gets us

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thinking about podcasting from
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It helps us sharpen sharpen our
own opinions as podcasters and

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creators.
As usual, I think it creates a

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safe space where we can
challenge ideas without

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attacking people or each other.
And it keeps us plugged into the

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conversations that are happening
around the world of podcasting.

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So when you hear the clip, think
about where you stand.

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Maybe you agree, maybe you
disagree, maybe you've got a

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story from your own podcasting
journey that connects it all

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together.
I think this is what these are

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the things that'll make it a
valuable conversation.

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And I'm going to play this first
clip for you.

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This is from podcast producer
podcaster.

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Her name is Beck Johnson Bek,
and we found this actually,

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Ashley found this clip for us on
TikTok.

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So you can find this person at
Beck under Score Johnson.

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And with that, let's play the
clip and then let's talk about

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it as I prepare to get it back
on my board.

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Where did it go?
Here we go.

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Let's talk about it on the other
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Tough Love Time Podcast hosts.
The show is more about your

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guest than it is about you.
We don't necessarily want to

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hear all your little stories and
different things that you have

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to say every time you respond to
your guest answering a question.

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Your job is to shine your light
on your guest.

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It's all about them.
If you want to talk about

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yourself, then maybe do not an
interview, style a podcast or be

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a guest on other people's shows.
And that is your tip.

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Affirm your favorite clear audio
engineer.

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There you go.
Thank you, Beck Johnson.

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So let's talk about this and I'm
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of an icebreaker question before
we hear your strong opinions,

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although maybe you're going to
want to inject it anyway, but

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let's try to stick to the
icebreaker.

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Would you rather listen to a
brilliant guest with a, we'll

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call it bland host or a
brilliant host with a bland

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guest?
So a little would you rather

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question to kick us off?
What?

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What say you somebody chime in?
Would you rather listen to a

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show with a brilliant guest,
bland host or vice versa?

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Go ahead, Sid.
Good morning.

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Good morning, everybody.
So I think this is interesting.

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The podcast host, especially in
an interview is the guide of the

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story, right?
And I think the, excuse me, the

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host has to be dynamic.
The host has to be able to guide

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the conversation as to the
conversation or the guest could

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take it in 1000 different
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And if your podcast is about,
you know, X, all of a sudden the

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guest can be talking about Y.
So I think that the podcast host

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should be a dynamic guide of the
story.

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OK, and would you rather?
So what if you had to pick

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between a show that had a
brilliant guest and bland host,

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or vice versa?
What would you pick?

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Said.
I would pick the host.

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You'd rather the host be the
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Because the host can actually
make a bland guest seem dynamic,

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right?
The host, if it's, or if they're

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the host is really good at their
job and really good at asking

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questions, they can bring out
the stories from a very bland,

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boring guest and that can still
have impact.

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So the opposite way around, I
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happen.
So I would choose the dynamic

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host.
Yeah, see that?

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And that reminds me a little bit
of improv, because I think what

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makes an improv, we'll call it a
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What makes an improv sketch
succeed is when you have a good

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partner and that partner is
really playing to you, playing

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with you, not against you.
And that I.

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Think it's also important, Mark,
to remember that people in the

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podcasting world say this phrase
a lot.

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They come for the content, but
they stay for the host.

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Yeah, that's fair.
And let's keep digging in.

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I'm I'm curious, does anyone
have a different take?

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Would anybody prefer to have the
the brilliant guest and the

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bland host?
And if so, why I?

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Don't agree that it would be the
host, the dynamic host, that

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would bring out the brilliance
of the guest.

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OK.
Yeah.

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Yep.
And let's check in with Matt.

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I think I saw Matt put his hand
up.

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Go ahead, Matt.
Good morning.

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Good morning.
I think that it only makes sense

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that a podcast host be dynamic.
I find myself so often looking

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at questions on the Internet
regarding podcasting these days

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and just wanting to post the Old
El Paso GIF.

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OK in all those doors, Like, why
not both?

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You probably don't want both a
boring host and a boring guest.

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Yeah, but I think it starts with
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If someone's coming to listen to
the podcast, they've likely come

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for the host and may or may not
be surprised by the guest.

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The product at the end of the
day is the conversation, and

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that's largely what Sid was
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the skills to draw things out of
whatever we call a guest, good,

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bad, ugly, whatever.
I think that conversation is the

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product of what the podcast
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So maybe reframing this to not
just be like podcaster or

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podcast guest as good or bad, is
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create a great product better
influenced by the host or by the

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guest.
And then you're not telling

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someone that they're a bad guest
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up to the host to make a boring
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I don't often talk about
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That's what we're trying to do.
We're trying to push the

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envelope with you, Matt.
We're trying to get you into

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your feels.
Yeah, touching the feels, the

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feels I get from that is ick.
Like, I don't think I'd have

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anyone on the podcast and I'd
look at them and I'd get halfway

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through and I'd go, man, you're
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I have to work harder to make
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You know, I think there can be
two a great guest and a great

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podcast host that have a really
boring conversation.

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And at the end of the day, if
that's what goes out in the

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podcast, that's the thing that
you judge.

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And invariably as humans, we
judge other humans according to

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whatever we see.
But I think that's that might be

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a better reframing for it.
So the conversation is a better

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influenced by the host or the
guest and then whether what

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makes that conversation a good
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I like that.
Thank you, Matt.

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And there's something you said a
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to you, and actually several
people have said it so far, is

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that people, audiences are
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So we want the host overall to
be that dynamic speaker, that

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one that's really driving the
interview and getting the most

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out of the guest.
And I can't argue with that.

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And what about though, the new
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the podcast?
We know that a lot of people go

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and search for certain kinds of
podcasts to scratches particular

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itch, right?
Maybe, you know, in our case,

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maybe it's a an aspiring
podcaster who wants to really

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learn the insurance and outs of
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They find the podcasting morning
Chad.

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That doesn't necessarily mean
they know who I am or any of you

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are yet, right?
So does that change anything

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when we talk about new people
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Because you, we could argue that
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content that the audience is
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If I bring in, let's say I bring
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the best interviewer.
Well, Pat Flynn would probably

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still be able to deliver a lot
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I think about the game, about
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Sid, I saw you bounced off of
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I saw your backup raising your
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So go for it.
When I'm searching for a

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podcast, and I'm always
searching for a podcast, I'm not

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searching for a guest name.
I'm searching for a topic like

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I'm searching for podcasting.
I'm searching for professional

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development.
I'm first searching for real

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estate, one of my favorite.
I'm so I'm searching for the

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topic.
I click on the button that says

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shows and I look at the shows
that come up and then I see that

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it's interesting.
I'll click one episode and

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listen and determine if it's
something I want to listen more

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to.
So I'm not searching for a

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guest.
Now, if I'm doing research on a

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particular person like, you
know, Jeff and I want to learn

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more about Jeff because Jeff is
coming on my show, I might go in

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and put Jeff's name and see what
comes up and then listens.

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I'm doing my research to prepare
for my interview, but other than

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that I'm actually searching for
a topic that I'm interested in

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and not a specific guest.
I'm with you there, Sidda, and I

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want to go to Jeff who is has
been waiting patiently on stage.

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Welcome, Jeff.
What did you want to add to all

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this?
Matthew had hit on it in the

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sense that I think we're really
looking at a reframing of the

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conversation, the good versus
boring conversation.

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If you think about it musically,
if we go out and play a lot of

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concerts, we tend to fall into
not necessarily boarding

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patterns, but successful
patterns, but still patterns.

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You know, we, we play the songs
in the way that we recognize

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reach the audience successfully.
So if we play the show

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repeatedly or if we do multiple
podcasts or multiple interviews,

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we play the sounds in a similar
way.

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We tell those stories in a
similar way.

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Guests can do the same thing.
They find where a good story

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hits in a certain way if they
tell it a certain way, and if

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the host is not prepared to turn
that story in a different

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direction, they're going to just
tend to tell it the same way.

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It's much like Mark.
You're familiar with Matt Rife,

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who's a comic and and if if he,
like others, tell their regular

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stories, you're probably going
to find them on another channel

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or another club or another
podcast.

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But people know him for his
crowd work, which is where the

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host or an audience member shake
the story up and it prompts him

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to respond in a way that's
unexpected and unplanned.

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So I don't necessarily think, to
Matthew's point, that a good

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host saves a boring guest.
But I do think.

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And it doesn't even have to be
necessarily a dynamic host, but

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but a host that is prepared to
take a different spin.

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Sean, what's his face off of the
Hot ones or Lipton off of the

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actor studio that's going to
take common a common story or a

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common reference and still try
to run it through a new lens can

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give a a unique take on a story
that that guest may brilliantly

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have told 100 times.
So I definitely think the host

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is the one can really make that
different.

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Yeah, Thank you, Jeff.
I think that you and Matt are

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making some, some good points
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I'm going to keep it moving for
a second and go to Nick 'cause I

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saw Nick was waiting patiently
as well.

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Go for it, Nick.
Good morning to you.

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Hey, good morning.
In a very similar thought to Sid

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and Jeff, I, I think the host is
the one that is going to really

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bring everything together.
But as a listener, the most

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important piece of all of it is
the content.

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If you become like Sid's looking
through episodes and he he's

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looking for a specific topic and
he lands on an episode and it's

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not delivering the content that
he wants, he's never going to

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come back to that show again.
He's going to go find something

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else that meets that need.
So it really the content is the

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most important aspect of that.
And a good host is going to

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understand how to deliver that
content that the audience needs.

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I could care less if it's Joe,
Jim, Sally Bob, whoever.

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I'm looking for the content I
want and who's going to deliver

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it to me.
Again, fairpoint.

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So let me ask it from a
different angle then.

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Is it OK for the host to inject
their own stories during an

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interview?
OK, so for example, the guest is

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sharing a story and that
triggers something in the host's

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mind of Oh yeah, I, I wanna, I,
I got a story similar.

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I, I wanna share that.
Or do they step back and

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recognize that this is a a
guest, This is for them, this is

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for my audience.
To hear what the guest has to

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say, I should button up.
Think it depends.

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Why is that, Alex?
Because it just depends on how

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the flow is going.
As a host, you have a certain

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way that you do your podcasts
and whether people like it or

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not.
Because always there's so many

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people that like it and there's
always so many people that don't

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like it.
I've done that and I don't know

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if it's necessarily right or
wrong.

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Sometimes it's right and
sometimes it's wrong.

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I listen, sometimes I'll take it
out, sometimes I don't.

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When you're having a
conversation with somebody, the

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object of the host is to
obviously make the guest look

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great, but at the same time,
they're listening to the podcast

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to also to listen to you.
I know it's not about you, but

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at the same time it is a little
bit.

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It's not a perfect science, but
at the same time, yes, they

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they're on that show to sell
their show or to sell what their

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their wares are, whatever their
story is, and that's right, but

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constant is you.
Now I hear what you're saying

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you're making.
Your stick, I mean, without

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making it sound too, but again,
there's times where it's not

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appropriate.
I'm not saying it's it's

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appropriate all the time.
I just think there's just times

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that it may be.
Yeah, thank you, Alex.

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Ashley put a poll up here on
Clubhouse asking is it OK for

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the hosts to inject their own
stories during an interview.

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And so far, it's an overwhelming
yes among the crowd.

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So I think people are probably
agreeing with you, but I want to

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they.
Like me?

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They really like me.
I'm sorry.

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I want to, I want to hear more
about it.

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And I saw a lot of hands go up.
And yes, let's go to Dr. first.

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Go ahead, Dr. Yes, I voted yes.
It is OK because Alex said that

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the first purpose for the host
to do is to highlight the guest.

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I think the first purpose is to
bring forth the value and if the

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if a story from the host is
going to spark the value, add to

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the value, make the value more
rich and robust, then I say it's

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OK.
It's important that it be

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concise because you do have a
guest on, but also it could, it

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could make another Ave. for, you
know, another conversation with

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that guest.
So yeah, I think it's OK.

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Yeah.
And that last part that you

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said, yeah, I mean, look,
podcasts, part of it is part of

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its charm is a lot of times it
is a conversation, right.

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And that means and what by
definition a conversation or is

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2 people interacting, discussing
something together.

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It's not just let me ask a
question to you, get your answer

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and just move on to the next
question.

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If I have something to say about
it or to interject, I I believe

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it's my responsibility as a host
to do that.

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I think this is a completely
different aspect of the show

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itself, Not really what we've
been talking about at this

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point, but if you're having a
conversation with someone

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totally new off podcast, meet
someone completely new.

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A lot of times that conversation
is a little awkward until you

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find some common ground.
And then also the conversation

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opens up, you start having
really good discussion on

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whatever it is like without you
sharing anything about yourself

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on the show and you're just
drilling to guess with

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questions.
You're never going to find that.

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And it's it's just going to kind
of be stale in my opinion.

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Thank you, Nick.
And by the way, I don't mean to

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interrupt the conversation and I
don't mean to bring it down.

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But for those of you who have
been in this industry for a

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minute or two, I just heard from
a friend of mine, colleague,

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somebody also helping me with
Empowered podcasting.

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Jason Zerkone shared from Pod
News that Todd Cochran, the CEO

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of Blueberry Podcasting and an
independent podcaster, has

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passed away at the age of just
61.

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No.
So I don't like I said, don't

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mean to bring the room down, but
Todd has been a big influence in

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this industry and a great guy.
I didn't get to know him super

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well, but I do know he's a great
guy and a lot and very respected

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in the industry.
So safe home to Todd Cochran and

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our our best to his family and
loved ones.

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So sad to hear.
And again, sorry to bring down

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the room, but important to
acknowledge and maybe we'll have

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more on this tomorrow during our
new segment.

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We will see.
But yes, rest in peace, Todd

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Cochran.
That's a shocker for sure.

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And thank you, Nick.
Again, Sorry to take away from

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your share and I think you make
some good points.

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Yeah, I mean, being able to
share common ground, share

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relatable stories within that
conversation early on when it's

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the more or less the first time
you're sitting down with this

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guest, you're building rapport
and you're building chemistry.

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So yeah, I do see that value
there.

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Before I share a little bit more
of my take on this particular

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question about is it OK for the
host to inject their own stories

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and insights, I'm curious.
Does anyone else want to add to

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this because I saw a few hands
come up a moment ago.

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This is a needle that I that I
try to thread a lot with the

449
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,400
podcast interviews or the radio
show.

450
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,000
I interview a lot of new
artists.

451
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,400
A lot of things they are hoping
to do as aspire to do are things

452
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,600
that I've had the opportunity to
do already.

453
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:04,560
So I don't ever want to flex or
or undermine, you know,

454
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,960
somebody's story with what could
potentially be a bigger story or

455
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,480
they dream of doing something
that maybe I already got to do

456
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,360
with with an artist, but they
sometimes don't recognize what

457
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,280
parts of their story are
relatable.

458
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:26,280
I am careful, but I will use my
own experience to kind of ask

459
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,520
questions based on my knowledge,
maybe pull a story out of

460
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,080
somebody because they realize I
understand the story and I can

461
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,280
help tell the story.
Or maybe if their dad was a big

462
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,760
star 30 years ago, they realize,
Oh my gosh, you really do know

463
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,280
my dad.
You really did tour with him.

464
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,120
That makes me tell the story
differently because I get it.

465
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,880
I'm careful not to undermine and
not to steal their Thunder.

466
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,600
But I also can use my
experiences to maybe get a

467
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,200
little different take on the
story once they realize and know

468
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,240
what they're talking about.
You got to be careful.

469
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,040
Interesting.
Thank you, Jeff.

470
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,400
And could you tell me, do you
have a good sense of who is your

471
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,400
audience?
Like you were using the the

472
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,640
radio show as your example?
Do you know who your target

473
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,640
audience is?
Are you speaking to other new

474
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,920
artists?
Are you speaking to music

475
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,680
lovers?
All of the above.

476
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,520
And then I have a follow up.
Well, the radio station that we

477
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,880
premiered on and I'm glad to say
that I've I've got a couple of

478
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,760
additional stations we're
talking to now.

479
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:36,440
The station that asked us to do
the show, they do play a lot of

480
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,560
like current new hot artists,
but they also play a lot near.

481
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,520
They very much have attention on
up and coming artists.

482
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,680
They also have a couple of shows
on the weekend that are

483
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,880
specifically 90s and 2000s
country.

484
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,040
So just me personally, my
experience as somebody that kind

485
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,080
of made their hay in the 90s and
2000s but also is very

486
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:09,480
interested in developing new
artists, that is who they kind

487
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,480
of appeal to.
So when we come on with our

488
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,400
radio show, which is one part me
and one part Maddie, who's an up

489
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,280
and coming artist, and I've
already been there, done that

490
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,320
and I'm in Nashville interacting
with new talent.

491
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:31,800
Then the fact that I can speak
to a new talent, but also

492
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,000
recognize that maybe one of the
songwriters that they're working

493
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,360
with is somebody that wrote
things for people that I've

494
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,880
worked with or see them doing
something as a new artist that I

495
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,920
saw Kenny Chesney do when he was
getting started because he

496
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,960
opened for us.
And I can say, yeah, I saw that

497
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,320
work in this case, and it's
working for somebody that's a

498
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,760
big artist now can be affirming
or enlightening.

499
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,080
I don't know if I'm answering
your question.

500
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,160
No, you are.
You are.

501
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,000
Yeah.
And what I'm hearing is, well,

502
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,360
I'll just say it.
So I think new artists, if

503
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,040
that's some of your audience,
they're going to want to hear,

504
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,640
in my opinion, you're Jeff,
you're been there, done that

505
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,240
stories and likely the rest of
the audience is going to want to

506
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,320
hear that too.
And when I'm thinking about,

507
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,440
admittedly haven't heard the
radio show and when I'm thinking

508
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,200
about what it must be like, I
mean, I'm hearing you'll

509
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,800
probably get that new artist
sharing maybe a challenge along

510
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,120
the way of writing that story or
writing that song or a challenge

511
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,480
just breaking into the industry.
And then if you have a story

512
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:47,040
that kind of supports and
provides insight on how to break

513
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,320
into the industry or your story
about breaking into the industry

514
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,160
and where you are today, it
gives people insight and gives

515
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,200
people hope that are listening
to your show that that's what

516
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,760
they're coming for.
They want the to hear the

517
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,280
experience.
And I think, you know, I'm

518
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,080
thinking about it from a
podcasting show perspective.

519
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,000
If I had guests on, which we
often do here because our live

520
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,920
audience and even some of our
own team will come and ask their

521
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,400
own questions when they bring
their questions.

522
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,800
The audience wants to hear our
stories and to hear our insights

523
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,040
to help answer that question.
Does that make sense?

524
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,160
I think it makes sense and I
would love to provide

525
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,280
encouragement to a new artist.
I and I do think that's part of

526
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,560
it.
I also think that at least in

527
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:38,000
Myspace, a lot of new artists
are doing daily interviews with

528
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,680
radio DJs who don't know what
it's like to be on a bus to

529
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,520
drive overnight in a van or or,
you know, brush your teeth with

530
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,840
a bottle of water.
It doesn't make me better.

531
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,360
It's just they just don't get
it.

532
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:56,360
The fact that I can relate to
them can help me tell a story or

533
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,760
help me tell their story in a
more relatable fashion.

534
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,520
Your experience with improv
enables you to understand what a

535
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,120
guest means when they say yes.
And as you know what that means,

536
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,960
does that mean you have to start
telling stories about your first

537
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,440
time doing improv?
Not necessarily, but it does

538
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,760
mean you can.
You can ask the question that

539
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,920
you already know the answer to
this somebody else wouldn't know

540
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,480
to ask.
The whole part is great, but

541
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,240
it's also the part of the fact
that I may be the one interview

542
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,000
this week that you know the
story they're getting.

543
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,920
I've been there.
Therefore I can understand I

544
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,600
don't have to talk about having
been there and which is why I

545
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
tell a lot of my stories in the
pre interview.

546
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,480
I don't even tell them sometimes
on air.

547
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,840
I just say, look, if during the
interview, it's kind of like,

548
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,200
wait a minute, he gets it.
This is why I don't want to talk

549
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,880
about it on air.
But here's my past.

550
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,360
If that shapes the conversation,
this is where I'm coming from.

551
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,400
Thank you, Jeff.
I want to check in with Sid

552
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,600
because I think I saw Sid's hand
up earlier.

553
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,679
Go for it, Sid.
When the time is right to what

554
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,560
Alex said, it is, in my opinion,
incumbent upon the host to

555
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,920
interject and to share their
experiences as Jeff was talking

556
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,520
about, Share their ideas.
It's not every question, it's

557
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,440
not every interaction.
But by you sharing your ideas,

558
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,199
it actually helps to build your
authority.

559
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,080
It helps to build your
influence, right?

560
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,719
It helps to position you.
And part of the reason why

561
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,199
you're doing your podcast is
likely to gain influence in an

562
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,560
industry or to, you know, be
recognized as a thought leader

563
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,520
in an industry.
And so it's incumbent upon you

564
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,120
to share those stories because
if you don't, then you're not

565
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,679
actually sharing the side of
you.

566
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:53,320
And I'll correlate it to this.
I believe that podcast

567
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,719
interviews should be a
conversation.

568
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,200
So, Mark, if you and I are
sitting at a Mexican restaurant

569
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,680
eating tacos and drinking
margaritas like we did a couple

570
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:08,480
of years ago, if all I did was
ask you questions, what a boring

571
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,760
conversation that would be,
right?

572
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,640
Because it should be back and
forth.

573
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,480
It should be me asking you a
question, you asking me a

574
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,440
question, me sharing a story
about what happened to my

575
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,560
traveling while I was traveling
that day, right?

576
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,160
Or whatever it might be.
And that's what a real

577
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,240
conversation is about.
And that, in my opinion, is how

578
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:28,320
a podcast episode should flow
when you're interviewing

579
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,440
somebody.
It should be a conversation that

580
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,040
your audience is eavesdropping
on and they get to hear and you

581
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,160
get to ask the questions that
they want to ask, and then you

582
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,680
get to share your insights along
the way.

583
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,960
So there's definitely an art to
interviewing, and you should

584
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,760
share your insights when
appropriate.

585
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,240
Yeah, I think you hit the nail
on the head said that is that is

586
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,480
the charm of podcasting, that it
does feel like the as an

587
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,840
audience member, it feels like
we are a family on the wall that

588
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,840
we are listening to an
insightful, interesting,

589
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,000
entertaining conversation.
I really do believe that is a

590
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,120
big charm of podcasting and it
and it's 1 one way of going

591
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,920
about it, right, Because there's
lots of different styles of

592
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,760
podcasting, not just interview
formats, but when we're speaking

593
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,400
to interview.
Yeah, I'm with you completely.

594
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,280
Because if I'm not telling my
own stories, if I'm not

595
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,600
interjecting my own self into
the interview, I think I'm

596
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,240
diminishing my credibility.
If I just sit back and I'm

597
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,680
interviewing, say, Heather
parody, one of my favorite

598
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,960
interviews I've done on the
podcasting morning chat, and I

599
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,640
just sit back and let her answer
the question and never insert

600
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,360
myself it, well, all I'm doing
is saying the guest is the

601
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,240
authority here.
The guest has the credibility.

602
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,400
I'm just asking questions.
So yeah, it establishes my

603
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,680
authority.
It creates conversation by

604
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,120
asking questions, by injecting
my own stories and insights.

605
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,520
Ashley, did you want to ask a
question?

606
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,160
Yeah, absolutely.
I was just thinking and

607
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,280
reflecting on what Jeff.
Had to say how that if he finds

608
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,320
something relatable to the
guest, you know, perhaps I get

609
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,000
it moment because I've been
through it.

610
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,920
I think that's a really clever
tactic to share that without

611
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,680
overshadowing the guest.
So that got me thinking, what?

612
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,040
Are some other ways that we as
podcast host, particularly if

613
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,360
maybe we're in somewhat of a
similar position to Jeff,

614
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,400
someone who's a bit more
seasoned, how can we go about

615
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,320
our interview while putting in
our own flavor without

616
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,920
overshadowing the?
Guest asked.

617
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,320
Anybody have any idea?
Thank you, Ashley.

618
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,200
Look, it can it can also go the
other way, right where the host

619
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,080
maybe is injecting too much and
not giving the the guest enough

620
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:49,720
time or space to, to share.
So how do we go about finding

621
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:52,040
that balance?
That's a great question, Ashley

622
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,080
and Yvonne has joined us from
the audience.

623
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,200
So let's check in with her.
Yvonne, good morning to you.

624
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,000
What did you want to say about
all this?

625
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,680
Good morning.
Yeah, I definitely share about

626
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:10,520
my own life and stories in
relation to the context of the

627
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,920
conversation with the person I'm
having, because my whole podcast

628
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,320
is basically about exploration
of of who we are.

629
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,560
And it does need to be a back
and forth.

630
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,160
But I do struggle with, oh gosh,
am I talking too much about

631
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,240
myself right now?
Am I, am I, am I flexing?

632
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:35,200
Am I, you know, so, so it's
something I watch out for and if

633
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,000
I know, if I notice that I feel
like, oh, I'm really trying to

634
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,880
insert my authority here.
Maybe I'm, maybe I'm pressing a

635
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,520
little too hard here.
I will try to back off and I'll

636
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:52,040
listen to it when I edit and see
if there's something that from

637
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,880
me that I can take out or does
this really add to the to the

638
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,160
conversation for my audience?
Is it important for them to know

639
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,160
the context of why I'm inserting
this, this bit about myself

640
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,080
here?
Is that going to help them see

641
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,520
themselves in the situation
more?

642
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,480
Because sometimes I'll have
somebody on the podcast who is,

643
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,160
who seems so amazing that it
seems out of reach for a normal

644
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,520
person to be able to do what
they have done.

645
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,920
And so I kind of want to be the
everyman.

646
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,120
And sometimes in those
situations.

647
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,760
So I'm, I'm blathering now, but
it, it is a constant struggle

648
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,600
for me to try to, to rein myself
in, but also share myself

649
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,520
because frankly, they do come
for the host, right?

650
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,400
They come for the guests, but
they don't know the guests.

651
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,280
You're introducing the guests.
So it's always, I think, trying

652
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,120
to be aware of holding that
guest carefully for your

653
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,560
audience and, and being there
for that guest so that they'd

654
00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:00,760
feel taken care of and, and, and
having your own, you know, your

655
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,920
own authority show up as well.
Thank you, Yvonne.

656
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,960
And I see Ashley in the chat
says that she does that as well.

657
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,240
She says she thinks it's smart.
It allows you to have a natural

658
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,720
conversation in real time.
But when it's time to present

659
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,440
the conversation, sometimes you
can afford to take personal

660
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,720
antidotes out.
And yeah, I think I like the

661
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:25,200
filter that you've created for
yourself.

662
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,360
Yvonne, you're asking, is this
relatable?

663
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,560
Is this appropriate?
Does this fit with the

664
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,800
conversation right now?
I think that those are all all

665
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,800
important things to ask yourself
as you're going through an

666
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,640
interview as the host.
And one little side tip that I

667
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:47,320
have done, you know, I use, I've
shared before, I use the

668
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,880
transcription service Otter.
And I think a lot of

669
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,760
transcriptions do what I'm about
to share, but Otter will tell me

670
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,800
exactly what percentage of the
conversation I what, what's the

671
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,400
word I'm looking for that I
held?

672
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,880
So it might say mark 70% of the
conversation.

673
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,600
Guest 30.
And I just use it as a gauge.

674
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,720
And I'll look at those
interviews and I'll see how did

675
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,600
I do?
Did I was this, did I make this

676
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,480
an even conversation?
Did I hug the conversation or

677
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,600
did I not say enough at all?
It's just a gauge for me to see

678
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,040
after the fact how I did and it
helps keep my awareness in check

679
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,560
moving forward on other
interviews.

680
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,560
Can I just pop in with one more
thing here?

681
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,200
Sometimes the guests that I have
on are experts in their field

682
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,880
and sometimes the guests that I
have on are more about I've had

683
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,160
them on because I want to know
more about their story and why

684
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,400
they're doing what they're
doing.

685
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:59,120
When they're experts in their
field, I tend to give a little

686
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,360
more rain to them to talk about
the topic and that those are the

687
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,800
episodes when I try to talk
less.

688
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,120
Yeah, I'm with you there.
And that makes sense, I think

689
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,600
even naturally, right, like if
we're not the expert in that

690
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,640
particular conversation and the
guest is, it makes sense that

691
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,000
the guest might have more to
say.

692
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,120
And I think that that's an
opportunity as the host to

693
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,680
represent your audience.
And that means asking a lot of

694
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,360
questions and follow up
questions, listening to your

695
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,560
guest and then yeah.
And not not necessarily just

696
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,600
sticking to that prepared sheet,
but listening to their answers

697
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,040
and then adding on by asking
other important questions on

698
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,480
that topic.
Hey, Mark, you have to read the

699
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,560
room in the sense of if somebody
comes on to Jeff's podcast or

700
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,240
even Ashley's podcast, that
might be a really big deal for

701
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,640
them.
What you and Yvonne said was

702
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,920
amazing.
And like for someone to go on to

703
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,080
Jeff's podcast, if they're an up
and coming artists and they know

704
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,640
who Jeff is, they're looking for
obviously to get their name out

705
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,320
there, but they're also looking
for some wisdom as well.

706
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,960
So I think it has to do with how
much you know the guest.

707
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,320
Is that really how much leeway
you can give them in some ways,

708
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,040
like some of the hardest.
And again, I know I do do I I do

709
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,840
different interviews than a lot
of other people.

710
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,520
When you know the guests really
well or you've interviewed them

711
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,080
several times, it's almost
worse.

712
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,640
I think it because.
You feel like it gets a little

713
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,920
stale after a while.
Not even stale.

714
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,600
It's like you put your your
podcast face on and your non

715
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,960
podcast face on.
Well, the non podcast face

716
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,160
sometimes isn't always the best
face for podcasting and meaning

717
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,440
that you just let your hair down
a little too much.

718
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,640
That's not good audio and that's
not a good conversation.

719
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,920
And when you don't know the
person, it's not that you're not

720
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,000
going to be professional, but
like you just get too

721
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,840
comfortable being comfortable.
And if you're with that way with

722
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:16,240
that guest, sometimes it can
cause not the best flow in terms

723
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:17,480
of listening.
Right.

724
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,400
It's like that.
It does, Alex.

725
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,200
And I think this what you're
doing is actually bringing us

726
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,360
back to what Sid shared earlier
at at the very beginning.

727
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,920
I think Sid was the first to
share.

728
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,840
And, you know, as hosts, we're
the guides and it's our

729
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:38,080
responsibility to make sure that
this conversation is suitable

730
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,400
for our audience.
It's something that they want,

731
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:42,880
right?
And and so we've got to make

732
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,280
sure we're guiding that
conversation for them.

733
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,880
I mean, sure, we could have a
very authentic conversation with

734
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,120
our guests and get lost in it,
but sometimes that may be

735
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:58,400
irresponsible of us as hosts.
And Speaking of Sid, Sid wanted

736
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,400
to chime in again also.
So go for it, Sid.

737
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,760
Add two things and then a
question for Yvonne.

738
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:08,800
SO Alex, I love having
conversation with friends and I

739
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,800
love relaxing to the point that
I can just have a casual

740
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,360
conversation with my friend.
I had somebody on my show early

741
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,920
this year that I've worked with
for 15 plus years.

742
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,880
It was a great conversation and
I got a lot of feedback, a lot

743
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,400
of positive feedback on the
inside.

744
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,680
City shared.
What I worry about, which we

745
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,720
also have to worry about in this
room, is inside jokes and the

746
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:36,920
audience not understanding an
inside joke that happens and he

747
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,480
and I both laugh at it or we all
laugh at something, but the

748
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,640
audience listening has no clue
what we're talking about.

749
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,920
So I do worry about that.
But I love the relaxed

750
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,440
conversation with a friend.
Now I will say to Yvonne's point

751
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,360
a minute ago, when I'm
interviewing somebody, that is a

752
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,640
topic that I don't know about.
I say at the very beginning,

753
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,720
hey, I'm glad you're here today
because together we're going to

754
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,120
learn something new.
And I'm excited to learn the

755
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,120
insights that our expert today
has to share with us.

756
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,280
And I think setting it up like
that actually breaks down any

757
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,800
barriers that might exist from
the audience learning about

758
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,760
something new.
But experts can be the worst

759
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,880
people in the world to talk to
because they know damn

760
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,320
everything, right?
And sometimes they just talk so

761
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,640
far over your head that your
law.

762
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,760
So Yvonne, I'm curious from your
perspective when that happens

763
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,720
and the expert is going on and
on and on and on, like how do

764
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:41,320
you bring the conversation back
down to a level that's

765
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,920
understandable?
Or how do you intrude on the

766
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,200
expert in order to keep the
conversation moving without them

767
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:54,240
because guests can over share?
Oh, that is so true.

768
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,560
Yeah.
That that is when I really try

769
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,600
to put on my, my, the ears of my
audience, if you will.

770
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,640
I really try to think, OK, if if
I'm somebody in the audience

771
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,360
listening right now and they are
going on and on and on,

772
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,920
sometimes I'll just stop them
and go, OK, wait a minute.

773
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:20,560
So, So what you're saying is
blah, blah, blah, or ooh, OK,

774
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,160
wait a minute.
There's something there.

775
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,400
And, and, and I'm going to ask
this for maybe a purely selfish

776
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,840
reason.
I don't understand this part.

777
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,480
Or, you know, I'll, I'll
interject with something to say

778
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,160
or I'll say, hey, you know what?
Can you stop for a second?

779
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,760
Because I think maybe not
everybody knows about this thing

780
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,120
that you're saying.
Can you explain that a little

781
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:46,480
bit or ask them for a personal
something, something that's more

782
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,040
story based from them, that
takes them out of expert mode

783
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,240
and into their own experience in
life?

784
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,200
Those are a few things that I'll
do.

785
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,320
I like that, Yvonne.
Yeah, I really like that a lot.

786
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,640
I like, I like both stopping the
guests when you think maybe

787
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,360
they're getting off track and
explaining exactly why and

788
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,560
trying to get them back on track
and asking them to tell a story

789
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,320
in relation to the information
that they're sharing.

790
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,680
I think is key because that will
really help drive the insight,

791
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,760
drive the points home for the
audience.

792
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,840
I'm with you there.
And Sid, to your point about

793
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:31,120
inside jokes, you know one, that
one that keeps coming up here on

794
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,160
the podcasting morning chat are
the hot Peppers, right?

795
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,800
So a new listener right now is
looking at us and saying, what

796
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,600
the hell are you talking about?
Hot Peppers?

797
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,120
And if you notice whenever
somebody brings up the hot

798
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,840
pepper, if you notice, I usually
try to say why we're talking

799
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,520
about hot Peppers.
I'll say, yeah, that's how we

800
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,560
do.
That's how we get our attention.

801
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,400
That's how people get attention
to say, hey, I want to speak.

802
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:02,000
They're raising their hand.
And so, and actually, I think

803
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,840
it's probably better that we
start to pull away from from

804
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,480
that because then it also gets
too monotonous, too repetitive

805
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,720
for our existing audience.
If I always have to stop us and

806
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:16,160
say hot Peppers, hot Peppers.
Yeah, this is what it is.

807
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,520
This is what it is.
So yeah, I just a just a

808
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,920
reminder to people it's, it's OK
to bring up the inside jokes,

809
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,640
but you got to make sure that
means you got to make sure

810
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,600
you're bringing in your audience
into the joke or else that it's

811
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,960
just going to be a turn off.
I think Jeff had something.

812
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,160
Go ahead, Jeff.
I wanted to bounce back to your

813
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:43,520
earlier question, which, which
was about our people coming for

814
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,680
the host versus the guest,
because everything we're talking

815
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,640
about it should be the
responsibility of the host.

816
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:58,520
But you know, Maddie, the artist
that I work with, you know, she

817
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,200
interviews people with me as a
Co host of the radio show, but

818
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,240
as an artist, she's the guest
often.

819
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,200
And yes, the host should be
prepared to guide the

820
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,440
conversation in the way that we
discuss.

821
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:19,520
However, I've worked with Maddie
a lot on how to lead up because

822
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,760
what you find out a lot of
times, at least in our space, is

823
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,560
that a lot of interviewers don't
prepare and they don't know

824
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,480
where she's come from or they
don't know she's got a radio

825
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,440
show.
They don't know that she can

826
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,720
relate to a new artist as a host
that interviews other new

827
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:41,280
artists.
So as much as they should do the

828
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,240
homework on the guest, a lot of
times we as guests can do

829
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:53,680
homework on our hosts and
quietly kind of help lead that

830
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,440
conversation such that it's a
better conversation, even if it

831
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,320
shouldn't be our responsibility.
So I just want to remind us that

832
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,760
we can do that as guests as
well.

833
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,360
But Jeff, that also comes back
to being a good guest and, and

834
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,560
you're absolutely right.
Like, I think there's a lot of

835
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,640
guests out there that don't know
how to be good guests.

836
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,280
And there's a lot of hosts out
there that don't know how to be

837
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,960
good hosts.
And, and I think that you as a

838
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,840
guest want to get XY and Z out
there, whatever that is,

839
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,200
whatever your your message is.
And I think that that's awesome

840
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,080
that you are training Maddie if
she's got something going on to

841
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,800
know how to interject it in, in
a conversation if the host isn't

842
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,760
getting to it for whatever
reason.

843
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,560
And I think that's amazing
because I think there's, there's

844
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,680
a lack of training in this area
because when I deal with actors,

845
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,640
you think they would know what
to say.

846
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,880
They are some of the worst
interviewers because they just

847
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,920
read the lines and they do that.
But they're not used to being on

848
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,560
their feet in this different
way.

849
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,080
So it there's, there's a lot to
be said for that, I think.

850
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,560
In the spirit of relatability,
if I'm a guest with Mark and

851
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,160
I've dug through his Instagram
to the point where I can say

852
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,920
Mark, I, I saw where you've done
some improv work.

853
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,680
You know, it's kind of similar
to that when you pull some

854
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,760
somebody up on stage that you've
never played with.

855
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,360
Or is it the same and make that
a conversation, You know, or if

856
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,720
I'm talking to Yvonne and and
I'm saying I was a musician on

857
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:32,080
the road for 30 years before I
even did a radio host.

858
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,720
I didn't even start that till I
was 60.

859
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,240
And how that relates to what she
knows in a different lens.

860
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:42,560
It's not just about me trying to
force my story in.

861
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,000
It can be me taking
responsibility to help makes the

862
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,880
two of us relate to each.
No, Yeah, absolutely.

863
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,720
I, I, it's, I mean, we've all
had those guests that don't say

864
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:55,480
anything.
They give one or one word

865
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,240
answers versus someone that
knows how to, you know, massage

866
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,360
and knows how to give a clip and
all the other stuff.

867
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,480
Absolutely.
I'm with you 1000%.

868
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,400
Hey Sid, I saw you wanted to say
something.

869
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,400
Do you want to give us the final
word today?

870
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Yeah, I think I have a good wrap
up for it.

871
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,000
Thank you, Mark.
Sure.

872
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,560
I've talked a lot this morning
even though I did not get run

873
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,440
over by all these people who
have been crazy and thank

874
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,080
goodness.
So I was thinking earlier, I

875
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,760
need to give one of you guys my
phone number.

876
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,800
So or my wife's phone number.
He's I do get hit in the middle

877
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,280
of a sentence.
You guys know who?

878
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,360
That's right.
I got your.

879
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,320
Number.
Oh my God, and.

880
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,680
God forbid, by the way.
These people anyways, derailing.

881
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:41,360
So as a podcast host, it is
incumbent upon you to master the

882
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,200
craft of being a host,
especially if you interview

883
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,480
people.
When you think about the word

884
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,400
mastery, mastery is a quest that
actually never has a

885
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,520
destination.
You continue to try to get

886
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,880
better at your craft.
You continue to work to improve.

887
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:03,520
And you do that by practicing,
by asking questions, by doing

888
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,520
off camera interviews, by going
to improv classes, right?

889
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,040
So I think it's incumbent upon
all of us that host interview

890
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:15,040
related shows to master the art
of being a podcast host and

891
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,240
asking questions and caring a
conversation.

892
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,440
And that comes with learning,
education and growth that way.

893
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,560
Because just remember that if
you can never truly master any

894
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,080
one thing, it is always a quest.
It's one of my favorite shows.

895
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,240
It's called Finding Mastery
because you're always seeking to

896
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,840
get better.
Thank you, Sid.

897
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,920
Yes, great way to wrap it up.
I will leave it right there.

898
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,280
Appreciate it and appreciate
that you were talking a lot

899
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,320
quote UN quote today.
Thank you.

900
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,080
I always appreciate everyone's
insights here and.

901
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,840
I think we all appreciate that
he didn't get run over.

902
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:51,760
Too.
And that too.

903
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,800
That's why I've been late.
I've been walking Lucy to the

904
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,240
bus start of you know, to the
point and I'm like I'm yelling

905
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:01,640
at her as I'm getting hit.
So almost, but.

906
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,240
All right, and just a reminder
to everyone, we're back again

907
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,760
tomorrow, 7:00 AM Eastern, live
here on Clubhouse and live on

908
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,280
YouTube as well.
And then of course, it's always

909
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,640
available just a few hours after
we go live.

910
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,600
If you can't join us here and
we're back tomorrow with news

911
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,400
and comment.
We will be covering all the

912
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,160
headlines around the world of
podcasting.

913
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,360
Anything that affects you as a
content creator, we want to talk

914
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,720
about it and keep you up to
date.

915
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:32,600
And there are some AI updates
for you that Nick hipped me to

916
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,040
yesterday that you won't want to
miss and hear more about

917
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,560
tomorrow on top of all the other
news, social media, podcasting,

918
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,680
etcetera.
So join us tomorrow, 7:00 AM

919
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,040
Eastern.
And until then, make it a great

920
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,760
day.
Everybody, take care.