346-What's In Your Podcasting Toolbox?

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Tuesday, July 29th,
2025, and today it's the Podcast

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Toolbox Roundtable.
We're swapping go to tools, real

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struggles and smart solutions
for everything from short form

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video to full on production
workflow.

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and we'll get things rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again, podcasting,
Morning Chat.

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Thank you for being here.
I am your host, Mark Ronik, and

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on stage with me we have
producer Ashley Feller, Dr.

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Faye, Sid Meadows.
And over on the Chatter stage,

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we have Nick Nall back and I'm
waiting on Jonathan Howard.

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Oh, and Matthew Bliss has joined
us as well.

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Good to have Matt back after a
little bit of a summer break.

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I'm checking here to make sure I
am properly making Nick a

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moderator on Chatter, and I
don't think it's working, but

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that's OK.
We'll figure it out.

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Oh, we're good.
OK, cool.

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Yeah, I now I see the little
moderator badge.

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And also we've got Leah here
from the Chatter family, who

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she's the one if you recall last
week I had mentioned Leah has

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helped me get a little more
comfortable here on Chatter.

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So it's good to be back on both
platforms.

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Of course, we are also on
YouTube live.

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I see DRS peeking over there.
You are more than welcome to

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join us, however, and I want to.
First, before we dig into

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several things this morning, I
want to say hello to Sid

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Meadows, who is back from his
European vacation.

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Sid, good morning.
Please share what your biggest

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highlight from your trip.
Good morning.

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Good morning, everybody.
Great to be back with you.

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So it's like I've been gone a
really long time, which I guess

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I kind of have been, but great
feedback.

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We had an amazing trip, got to
see lots of the, let's see,

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Spain, France and Italy.
So a lot of fun.

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We had to spend a lot of time on
the boat hanging out.

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I was, what's my biggest, like
highlight?

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I'm going to have to say the
food.

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The food.
Was I was just going to ask you

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because I'm a foodie.
So my question to you would have

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been, what is the very best
thing, very best meal that you

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had?
And what is something that maybe

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your taste buds didn't get along
with?

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The second night we were in
Barcelona, we stayed at a kind

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of fancy hotel and in the hotel
was a restaurant called Peco

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Paso Paso Pico Vera.
I think it's what it's called.

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I got a picture of it and it's a
2 Michelin star restaurant.

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If you don't think about
restaurants, having a mission

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star is really great.
Having two of them is like

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pretty spectacular.
So we went to this dinner there.

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It is a tasting menu, chef
tasting menu.

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And it was 16 courses and it was
small plates, which is what

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you'd expect from a tasting
menu, right?

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And it was one of the best meals
I've ever eaten of that

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particular dinner.
The best thing that I had was

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the tuna tartare that was
covered in an amazing caviar.

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The worst thing I had in that
dinner was anchovy in puff

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pastry that this really wasn't
for me, but it was an amazing

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dinner, was paired with wine.
So I mean, it was pretty

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spectacular.
I will say our last night dinner

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that we had in Barcelona was
traditional paella dinner at a

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local restaurant on the beach.
That was seafood paella with

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seafood basically caught that
day.

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So that was pretty spectacular.
But the food in general, for the

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most part of where we went was
just spectacular.

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Wow, I'm hungry and jealous.
Like just because I was just in

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that neck of the woods not too
long ago and I'm now reminiscing

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and missing my time there.
And how is Spain?

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Because that was where I spent
most of my, all of my time was

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in Madrid, in Portugal.
And I don't think you were in.

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Were you in either of those
places or just Barcelona?

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So we were in two ports in
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We were in Barcelona, which is
where we boarded the boat and

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then my Orca, which is the first
stop that we made, which is

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really great.
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Italy.
And so most of the stops were

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actually in Italy.
I think it was one stop in two

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stops in Spain, one stop in
France and then the restaurant

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Italy.
And I mean, the history, the

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architecture, the stories, the
tour of Rome, I will tell you,

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is a really, really special
moment to stand in Saint Peter's

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Square.
Even if you're not Catholic,

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we're not Catholic, but even if
you're not Catholic, you have to

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understand and respect and
appreciate just the fact that

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you're in the Vatican City and
being there, seeing the Sistine

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Chapel and observing the history
of that.

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I mean, it's just so spectacular
and very moving to be able to

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experience all that.
It was definitely a trip of a

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lifetime for us.
Oh, I'm so glad to hear that

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Sid.
I'm glad you guys really enjoyed

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yourselves and well deserved.
Hopefully you're feeling well

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rested.
Excited to jump back into real

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life?
Well, I've been up since 1:30

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this morning.
My time is 8:30 and Barcelona

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starting.
It's going to be a long day.

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There's definitely a nap in my
future today.

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I would say so thank you for
being here this morning.

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You certainly didn't have to be
here considering you've been up

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as late as you have and probably
very well, not yet maybe, but

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you will be very jet lagged at
some point today.

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Definitely get that nap.
And Matt Bliss, welcome back, my

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friend.
How are you?

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I've been a bit busy recently
because of my podcasting

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business stuff.
As all the content creators

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know, you take a month off,
you've done that month of work

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before you left.
So that on top of being in

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Australia and meeting a bunch of
people that I haven't seen for

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two years and renegotiating the
mortgage and checking on our

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property and doing bank stuff
and changing addresses, I didn't

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really have a restful holiday in
Australia.

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But I'm back at it now.
I feel sorry for Sid.

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I didn't have the terrible jet
lag he did, but I did have to

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fly for over 22 hours to get to
Australia and then 22 hours back

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again.
So maybe that's just like the

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reset button that means you
don't get as much jet lag.

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So that's true.
Glad to be back here.

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Just watching a big edit edit
export now and figured hey, it's

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12:00, might as well check in
with you guys and see what's

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going on.
Very cool.

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I'm glad you did.
So great to have you back for

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many reasons including that.
So let's dig into all of the

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conversation today.
Today was inspired by a mailbag

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question that really opens up
the whole conversation around

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your podcasting toolbox.
And it's been a minute since

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we've gone through these.
I got a way to navigate through

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this so that's not just a
hodgepodge.

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So the first way I want to do
this is I'm going to go to an

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icebreaker question.
And this one is very simple.

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What's your biggest tool regret?
In other words, what's a tool

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that you got maybe that you were
really excited about or at least

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optimistic about that it was
going to either save you time,

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make things more efficient,
whatever that reason is.

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What's your biggest regret and
why?

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And I'm going to jump right to
Dr. with this one.

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Dr. Would you take it away first
since you're always buying tools

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as?
An app sumo aficionado.

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I have bought a lot of them and
I've actually returned a lot of

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them also and I keep all my
purchases and returns on a

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Trello boards I can keep track
of.

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Did I buy that?
I'm not sure if I Oh yeah, I

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bought that.
OK, so I'm looking down the list

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of things that I have returned.
And the most recent one was a

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program having to do with
newsletter mail. e-mail

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marketing is what I meant to
say. e-mail marketing was called

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in charge and it was my fault
that I just didn't have the time

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to get into it.
I just didn't have the bandwidth

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to get into it.
But it had a lot of bells and

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whistles and I could just see in
my head, Oh my God, I'm going to

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have to really dedicate a lot of
time to this.

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So this is like an.
E-mail marketing thing.

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Yeah, I did return that one
also.

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There's another one out there
called One Take.

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I wound up returning it, but
this is kind of interesting.

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One Take will take the Umm's and
AAS out of your videos and

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without the jump cuts.
So basically it looks like if

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someone is saying it just looks
like they've opened up their

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mouth for a breath or something,
it looks very, very natural.

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And it's called 1 Take.
And I think the only reason why

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I returned it is because I
wasn't really doing a lot of

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video at that time and there was
something else I want to buy and

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I was within that refund window
that I could get the the money

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back.
Yeah, I think that's the only

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reason why I returned that one.
There's been a lot of ones that

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I have purchased that I thought
would do the job for editing,

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but I tell you the only one that
I really gravitate towards is

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the Resound Resound dot FM.
That's the one that I like and I

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keep looking for ones that are
better.

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The thing with Appsumo is that
you have this 60 day period that

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you can try it out and they're
really, really, really good

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about returning the money.
You can either have them return

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the money to your account or you
can do like a, you know, Appsumo

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Bucks and just take it as a
credit.

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So and right now I have about
$300 that is just waiting for me

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to spend.
So I think those are the ones

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that lately that I've been
looking at.

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Very cool.
Thank you.

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Dr. And I do like and appreciate
how you are keeping yourself

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somewhat disciplined by keeping
that spreadsheet and being able

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to say, OK, yeah, I bought that
one and it's expiring at such

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and such a date.
So you know when to actually

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cancel if need be.
A lot of us can get caught in

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that trap, subscribe to a lot of
things, and then forget about

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it.
I'm going to interrupt you for a

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second.
You know which one that I

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bought, returned, bought again
because I thought, well, you

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know, maybe they've evolved,
returned it again.

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And I think I bought it for a
third time and returned it third

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time.
And that was Cap Show.

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But since I have Caps Magic
which I use a lot, Cap Show is

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just not making it for me.
And I'll be curious to hear if

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anybody else uses Cap show as
well.

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I'm really fingers crossed.
I'm hoping Jonathan comes

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because I know Jonathan does
know a thing or two about a lot

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of these short form editors,
video editors, and I've been

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really impressed with the the
content he's been putting out on

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social media.
And I know Dr. you probably have

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to go make some eggs right now.
Yep, I just she just sent me a

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message behind the.
Scenes.

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Yeah, go ahead and do that.
Sid, did you want to jump in?

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Yeah, I think Ashley had her
hand up first, so go to her and

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then come to me.
OK.

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Go ahead, Ashley.
Good morning.

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Thanks.
Good morning, Sid.

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So one of my regrets is a
physical tool and that is the

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Osmo Pocket too.
It's a shame because I really

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love it but I've had it less
than a year and I have noticed

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that unless I have it on a
monopod or a tripod or something

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that connects to the bottom
mount where you there's like a a

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thread at the bottom where you
can attach it to something.

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Unless I have it on there it
vibrates uncontrollably and you

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can hear and see the vibration
on the video.

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So every time I use it now I
have to put the camera on

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something, otherwise if I just
hold it, it'll vibrate like a

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90s cell phone.
I don't have any experiment

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experience with that, so I can't
speak to it at all, but thank

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you, Ashley, Appreciate you
bringing that and hopefully

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people are getting some good
insights here as far as what

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tools maybe have caused other
podcasters some trouble.

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Maybe it's something you want to
avoid or at least be cautious

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of.
Now let's check in with Sid and

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see what he wants to add.
Sid, did you want to answer the

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icebreaker question?
A tool you've purchased that

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were somehow downloaded and now
don't enjoy.

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So yeah, I do.
And but I'm going to say I enjoy

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it.
And the reason I'm used saying

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it is this is really about I
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is my Rd. caster pro.
I enjoy it, but I don't use it

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anywhere near to the full
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So if I learned at the time and
effort to learn how to really

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use it, I'm sure it would be a
tool that I would not want to

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get rid of.
But I don't use it very well.

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So do you use it at all Sid?
Yes, I use it.

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When I record, my microphone is
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it for anything other than that.
Totally makes sense.

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And I'm going to come to you,
Matt, in just a second.

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And I think that this is an
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it's a common thing.
I think that a lot of

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podcasters, especially ones that
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the road caster pro, maybe they
hear some other podcasters

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talking a lot about it and how
great it is.

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And they feel like, yeah, this
is a tool I just I have to have

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if I'm a podcaster.
But there are so many other

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options that maybe are less less
loaded with buttons and things

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and gadgets and more simple, in
other words, and also more

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affordable too.
Because let's be real, these Rd.

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caster pros are not the cheapest
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You could be spending anywhere
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these things.
So not cheap, but yeah, so I get

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it.
And I'm sure there are probably

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other people listening right
now, so that can relate to that.

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Let's check in with Matt.
Matt, did you want to chime in

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on the Roadcaster Pro or did you
want to share another tool?

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I can add my own tools, I've got
a dishonorable mention and the

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actual tool, but to talk about
the roadcaster, their marketing

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is just spectacular in that
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Like they've Rd. has had the
Roadcaster, they have the

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Procaster which is their XLR
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which was their initial USB
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the pod mic.
I think their marketing does a

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lot of convincing for people to
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podcasting specifically.
I feel that pain with the road

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caster.
I need to pick up one of those

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one day.
But the dishonorable mention

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that I have is for the Scarlet
2I2, which I purchased before I

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left Australia.
That's the two channel audio

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interface that Focusrite offer,
very basic one.

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When I left Australia, though, I
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podcasting work on a laptop.
And the laptop that I bought

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with Windows 11 and a number of
performance management tools

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embedded in the laptop meant
that the Focusrites after about

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30 minutes wouldn't receive or
monitor audio signals properly

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anymore.
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eventually where I just had to
repurchase the old audio

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interface I used in Australia to
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And that fixed the problem
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And if you've ever seen anyone
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hardware, that's going to be
like an example of the kind of

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things that people complain
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But the actual thing I I
purchased and have never used

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was back in my days of trying to
find the perfect set of plugins

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to improve audio for other
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And the plug in that I tried is
called Gull Foss from Sound

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Theory.
Now what it purports to do is

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kind of like what Da Vinci
Resolve, not Da Vinci Resolve

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DX, Revive Pro, and Adobe
Enhance do.

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It's kind of an AI algorithmic
sort of plug in that balances

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signals and equalizes audio
content to make it ideal for

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what your brain will pick up or
what will be perceived ideally,

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which already sounds
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And that's partly why I regret
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I also regret it because it's
largely a tool built for either

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movie making, filmmaking and
balancing dialogue audio with

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backdrop audio and music and
that kind of thing, or it's used

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for music.
It's not really great for

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podcasting dialogue and now we
have so many tools available

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that it's just not worth having
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It was only €177.
I think at the time I might have

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had 10 or 20% off, but that is a
plug in that's just sitting in

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my rack.
I never use it and I don't think

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I'll ever find a way to use it
again unless any musicians in

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the audience are on stage Have
any advice for me?

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So yeah, big regrets.
Nick, any tools that you could

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share with us that maybe are
we're problematic and then we'll

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dig into the tools we're
actually using I've.

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Been thinking this whole time
you guys are talking like any

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big stand out ones that I was
absolutely despised and there's

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none that I've like returned but
some that I've stopped using.

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One of them was Zen caster.
So when I first started

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podcasting, I went with Zen
Caster and it's very similar to

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like Riverside and Swod cast
remote recording platform.

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And as soon as they had
introduced video it just all

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went to crap.
It just sucked so bad.

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And that is actually what got me
looking at other tools and

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landing on Riverside.
And I had such a great

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experience with Riverside right
out of the gate.

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You know, others were
complaining that they had issues

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and I hadn't looked back since.
And you couldn't beat the price

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compared to like.
I was really interested in squad

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cast here and other people other
professional podcasters were

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using and Riverside had such a
good price point and the quality

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was insane.
So I guess Zen caster I guess

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would probably be the one that
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Thank you, Nick.
Appreciate that is so I'm gonna

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share now, if you don't mind,
let's jump into the mailbag

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because that's what was
inspiring this conversation on

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tools.
This comes from Joe and Joe is

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from Atlanta and says this.
OK, so here's where I am.

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I use Lipson to host squad cast
to record interviews.

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I'm pretty happy with both.
I used to use Riverside, was

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also happy with them, but I used
a script to edit audio on solo

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episodes so I get squad cast for
free.

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After I run an audio episode
through the script, I touch it

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up in Audacity then run it
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And for those who may not be
familiar, Offonic is an audio

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enhancement tool.
And he goes on to say I'm happy

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enough with my audio only setup.
He says for video, the script is

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very difficult to use for video
editing.

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I think Alex can agree.
And I don't want to deal with

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the learning curve of it right
now.

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Right now I'm running through
iMovie to Minvo.

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So I think now he's jumping from
long form to short form here

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with this neck.
That next sentence, he does

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iMovie.
I think probably.

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And actually this is how I often
was doing it.

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Not as much lately, but
occasionally I still do.

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I'll bring in the original
recorded video into iMovie just

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to make basic cuts, basic edits
that are just a maybe a little

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bit easier when using any kind
of desktop tool.

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So I'll put it in iMovie, do
those cuts, then I'll grab it

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and put it into something like
or I will use Minvo to add extra

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stuff to it at more B, roll more
moves on the video, etcetera, he

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said.
I've had bad results with Minvo

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but apparently they've cleaned
up their act some but looks like

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they'll go out of business soon
and I'll stop right there and

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say there is no actual proof of
that yet, but that was a rumor

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that Joe had heard so we'll just
leave it there because I really

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don't know if that's true or
not.

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Joe goes on to say with that
said, I need something that's

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easy with with taking my long
form podcast video and chopping

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it up into shorts and five to
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He says.
I see Opah's clip is $15.00 for

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pro level, which isn't bad, but
I hate having to go piece meal

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here and there and everywhere.
I guess I'm trying to see what

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else everyone uses and why to
make an informed decision.

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I know there's cast Magic
podcast so etcetera and not sure

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what to sign up for honestly.
I can leave Squad cast in

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descript if it makes sense.
I just don't.

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I just need to land with a set
up that's a low learning curve

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and the tech and meets my needs.
Does all that make sense?

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Yes, it makes sense.
So let's talk about long form,

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short form, and I think maybe
let's start with short form

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tools.
And actually, Nick, since you're

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here and I know that you usually
have to leave a little bit early

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each morning, let's start with
you.

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Now, you and I used to use Minvo
a lot.

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I like I said, I still do.
I know you're not using Minvo as

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much lately, so share a little
bit about maybe why you're not

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using Minvo as much lately and
what would you use in place of

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that?
Yeah, I haven't used Minvo a lot

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lately and mainly it's because I
don't, I haven't had content to

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run through it because I haven't
been making content.

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So that's a pretty easy one.
I would probably still go back

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into Minvo if I had the content
to run through it.

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That said, outside of Minvo and
giving Joe's experience with

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Riverside, I don't know how long
ago he was using Riverside, but

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the combination of you have
experience with Riverside and

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you're not totally digging the
script right now, I would

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probably revisit Riverside.
Even if you didn't record in

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Riverside, which I would, if you
can, you now have the ability to

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upload episodes into Riverside
specifically.

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So you could upload your video
that's already recorded, already

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done, edited in iMovie,
whatever, and then run the magic

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clips, do your editing for short
form, etcetera.

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But Riverside has come a long
way.

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So if it's been a while since
you've used Joe, I would think

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about just trying it out again.
I I think their editor has

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gotten a lot more robust and
you'll probably like it better

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than the script if you if you
use an iMovie and you're not

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like in the script right now.
Yeah, I'm with you, Nick.

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I think that Riverside is a
little underrated when it comes

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to short form clips because I
think so many people are more

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used to boasting about how great
it is for recording and even

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some talking about the long form
editing.

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People enjoying that, especially
with the built in AII, know a

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lot of novice podcasters who
don't have a lot of editing

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experience like to use it's AI
editing tool to really do all

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the editing for them, whether
it's long form and short form,

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but really the short form.
I'm now using it, so I still

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will use Minvo on occasion, and
I think that's just because I'm

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more used to using it for this
kind of thing.

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So what I'll do is, like I said
earlier, just like Joe, I'll use

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iMovie to do some basic stuff I
used to and then I'll move over

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to Minvo from there.
Now I'm actually doing every

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that initial stuff that I used
to do it with iMovie, I'll do in

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Riverside now because I find
it's editing tool really

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precise.
It's feels like I'm using a

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desktop app editing app
specifically.

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I really like it.
And and you know, it does have a

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lot of the same things as an
Opus as as Minvo, where you can

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add B roll.
You can upload your own

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pictures, videos, etcetera.
You can use from their own

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catalog.
They have a whole license free

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catalog that you can choose
from.

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So yeah, I'm with you, Nick.
I think that Riverside is great,

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especially for the podcaster
who's looking to streamline

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their workflow process because
it really has just about

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everything you need all in one
place.

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Sid, I saw you had your hand up.
Go for it.

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So you were reading his question
mark.

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My head is swimming with all the
different tools that he's having

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to use.
I don't do any of this right?

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So I don't have anything to add
to what tool he should use to

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make this better or easier.
But man, this screams to me that

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there should be a tool available
that's an all in You said

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different tools just to get one
episode ready.

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And that's where I think
Riverside plays a great role.

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I think that it will it, it can
handle most of that, especially

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with anything regarding
production, because as we've

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said, you can record there or
you can record somewhere else

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and upload to it and then you
can do all the editing you want

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from there.
If it's a long form video that

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you're uploading, it'll even do
just like Opus, just like Minvo,

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00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,760
it'll find those highlights from
that long form video and isolate

448
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,280
them, edit them for you and let
you go in and either take it as

449
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,080
is or go in and tweak it a
little to your liking and and

450
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,600
then exporting it and posting it
everywhere.

451
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,320
I think that is really one of
the best all in one solutions.

452
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,600
Ashley, how about you?
What are you using for short

453
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,000
form clips?
I'm actually using Descript and

454
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,560
just my brain.
Like whenever I'm editing a

455
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,200
podcast and I see an interesting
bit or a couple interesting bits

456
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,520
I can put together, I'll
highlight them in specific

457
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,560
colors and I'll have a good
color like, OK, this is this

458
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,600
kind of a clip.
This is another kind of clip.

459
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,440
And then I'll just go through
and there's a feature on the

460
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,560
script that says find all
highlights and you can export

461
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,200
all of those highlights to
separate projects and go in and

462
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,360
fine tune them and basically do
whatever you want with them.

463
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,720
Thank you, Ashley.
And Billy caught it, as I did,

464
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,440
Billy says in the chat.
I use my brain, Ashley.

465
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,360
I love that.
Yes, I think that's that's an

466
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:20,960
important thing to highlight
too.

467
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,480
Yeah, sure.
We want to find all the things

468
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,480
that helps us streamline things,
make it easy, help us think a

469
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,160
little less because we would
rather our brain power goes

470
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,280
somewhere else.
But there is something to be

471
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,080
said about identifying those
clips yourself because there are

472
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,600
plenty of times, at least for me
on this very show, that whether

473
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,920
it's Minbo, whether it's
Riverside, it spits out that

474
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,680
those clips.
But that's not really those

475
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,320
really to me aren't the
highlights.

476
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,600
Like it didn't really nail
anything that I made either a

477
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,880
mental or physical note.
Like that's the that's something

478
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,320
that we need to isolate and
share across social media.

479
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,280
So, yeah, being able to engage
with your own content and make

480
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,520
those notes on the fly and then
go back and revisit it.

481
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,200
I think there is definitely
something to be said about that.

482
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,160
I appreciate that Ashley Dr. How
about you?

483
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,400
How are what are you using as
far as short form video tools?

484
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,840
Short form.
I get so much shade for this.

485
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,760
Oh that's right, a little
embarrassed even to say, but I

486
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,840
like using Canva for short form.
I don't think you're alone, even

487
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,120
if you get shaved.
Oh no.

488
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,520
Who was that?
I missed it.

489
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:39,560
Is that Nick?
I'm so used to it and I like

490
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:45,000
doing the crossfades on it and
it's just really easy and it's

491
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,080
aesthetically pleasing to look
at.

492
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,120
It's not dark, it's light.
I have a problem with the black

493
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,280
screens that.
You you prefer?

494
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,920
Yeah.
You don't like to do night mode?

495
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,360
I don't like to do night mode,
not when I'm working.

496
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,240
Has it made any improvements?
So you know what, I think a lot

497
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,600
of us that are might have
grunted like Nick, we are

498
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,280
feeling like, you know, oh,
there's it's just not flexible

499
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,360
It it's limited in what it can
do.

500
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,800
Do you feel like it's improved
over time?

501
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,920
Because I know you've been using
it for a little while.

502
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,040
I've been using it for a little
while and they make updates all

503
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,360
the time.
For instance, give me a for

504
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,000
instance that you couldn't do
before.

505
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,160
Well, I think it's just, I think
for the biggest thing for me was

506
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,120
the precision editing, right?
So like, if I really wanted to

507
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:39,360
get to, you know, the 10th of a
second and cut it right there, I

508
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,160
always found that to be really
challenging.

509
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Right.
Well, that's where your arrow

510
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,440
keys come in, because if you can
arrow to the right, to the left,

511
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,080
it's this tiny, tiny little
increment little ways, and it

512
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,600
does a pretty good job.
My biggest gripe with it,

513
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,200
especially like if you're going
to pull a full episode into it,

514
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,760
was that it was so slow.
But then even beyond that, if I

515
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,120
were to try to export even just
a a 32nd video, I feel like you

516
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,240
would export for like 3045
minutes before I'd ask.

517
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,520
Oh my gosh.
No, no, no, no, no.

518
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,680
It takes about for like 1/2 hour
video.

519
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:22,680
It could take probably about
four minutes for 1/2 hour video.

520
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,960
Wow, OK, that's not too bad.
They've made some significant

521
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,520
improvements.
They certainly have in so many

522
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,200
other areas and I haven't played
a lot with the video sides for

523
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,240
for a while now, so I'll take
your word for it.

524
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,800
Dr. Maybe I'll play with it just
to get the experience and see

525
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,600
what I think and then report
back.

526
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,400
Yay.
Yeah, how about for captions?

527
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,080
Does it spit out?
Captions.

528
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,600
You know what the captions are a
sorry thing on on Canva.

529
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,640
So I use a platform called Wave
dot video.

530
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,960
Yep, wave dot video.
So I do all my captions there.

531
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,880
So basically you do all the
editing in Canva, you get it all

532
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,280
together, you export it and then
you drop it into wave dot video

533
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,520
and have it add the captions on
the screen.

534
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,000
I do.
OK.

535
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,520
All right.
Cool.

536
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,840
Has anybody, has anybody heard,
not heard the tool that they're

537
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,560
using that's on stage right now
as far as short form editing

538
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,160
goes?
Is there a tool that you're

539
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,920
using that we haven't discussed
yet?

540
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,640
I've found for almost anything
that I do for clients or for

541
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:36,680
myself that Davinci Resolve
Studio offers the most and it's

542
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,120
incredibly function rich.
It's requires a bit of fiddling

543
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,600
to get used to using Davinci
Resolve as a video editor, but

544
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,280
it offers almost everything as
long as you've got the trained

545
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,520
brain to use it in the way that
you want.

546
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,920
And part of this comes with a
caveat in the sense that I've

547
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,320
looked at all these tools and
how they work and thought more

548
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,000
intentionally about how I want
to use the AI that those tools

549
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,240
would use.
So generally in in concert with

550
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,360
Davinci Resolve Studio, I will
take the transcript and use

551
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,880
either ChatGPT or some similar
LLM to process and ask it for

552
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,240
what any of these shorts or
whatever tools would be

553
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,840
prompting it to do to select for
you.

554
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,240
And that actually makes it
easier for you to for me to

555
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,400
select the clips that I want and
then edit them in Da Vinci

556
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,360
Resolve and add captions and do
all those things.

557
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:43,040
So Ashley's answer of my brain I
think is a very underrated tool

558
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,040
in this space.
Da Vinci Resolve Studio, while

559
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,880
expensive, is great for it I
think.

560
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,000
OK, there you go.
A vote for Da Vinci as well.

561
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,120
OK.
And then yeah, so I'm here.

562
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:59,680
What I feel like we've come to
is if where Joe the mailbag

563
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,080
question.
Joe was looking for something to

564
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,000
really streamline his process,
trying not to use multiple

565
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,840
tools.
I really think that Riverside

566
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,600
sounds like it would be for him.
And I will say again, I still

567
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,639
enjoy using Minvo.
I like the tool.

568
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,440
It has made some big
improvements.

569
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,920
So if you're somebody like Joe
who used to use it and then got

570
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,440
frustrated with it, say three to
six months ago, it's come a long

571
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,159
way since then.
It's moves a lot faster.

572
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,920
The exports, generally speaking,
move a lot faster.

573
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,880
One of Nick knows one of my big
complaints was how long those

574
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,159
exports used to take, and on
occasion it still does.

575
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:46,239
But what I appreciate about
Minvo now is normal export time

576
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,159
is very quick, but when it seems
like it's slowing down, it

577
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,360
actually tells you why.
It'll tell you that you know,

578
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,320
there's the, there's a busy
queue and you're in line for the

579
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,440
export because they must have
like a lot of users using it all

580
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,320
at once in that particular
moment.

581
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,920
So it slows things down
temporarily, but ultimately it

582
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,600
it does a good job.
It exports pretty quickly in

583
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,200
most cases.
And I like how many different

584
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,800
features it offers by just using
a click of the button.

585
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,120
You don't have to learn a lot of
the software to say do a slow

586
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,920
move, a slow close up in as
you're talking to the camera,

587
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,360
right?
Or to just do a quick pop of

588
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,800
your camera just to keep
people's attention.

589
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,720
And the, you'll see my videos,
go look and you'll see what I

590
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,800
mean by that pop 'cause I like
to use those sometimes to

591
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,600
emphasize a point or what have
you.

592
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,880
But it's all very easy.
It's just basically flipping a

593
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,960
switch, pressing a button.
So either that or Riverside I

594
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,560
are my personal favorites.
Let's also talk about some

595
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,600
recording tools.
OK.

596
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,960
And Riverside, since we've
already talked about it, I'll

597
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,080
just we'll briefly say again,
being an all in one tool, it

598
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,760
makes a lot of sense if that's
what you're looking for.

599
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,000
Use that to record video.
I use it for my short form video

600
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,560
recording too.
You know, these days when you're

601
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,880
trying to just record right to
your device, say a camera, and

602
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,200
I'm not talking about your
phone, but let's say an actual

603
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,480
video camera.
Most of the time it doesn't have

604
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,160
a built in microphone, not the
not the real heavy duty high

605
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,360
quality cameras.
They don't have a microphone or

606
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,120
they don't have a built in SD
card, although they should, most

607
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,160
of them should.
But the point is, is that there

608
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,680
are multiple things you have to
start considering when you're

609
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,840
using the the fancy cameras.
And I have a fancy camera.

610
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,800
I'm using one right now to
record to and stream to YouTube.

611
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,880
I have the camera, but that my
camera too doesn't have audio.

612
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,000
So I have to figure out a way to
make it all work.

613
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,520
So I plug it right into my
Roadcaster Pro.

614
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,560
Everything is plugged in
together and I use Riverside to

615
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,560
capture audio and video
seamlessly.

616
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,240
But what else are you guys
using?

617
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,080
What is everyone using to record
their podcast?

618
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,240
And some of us are audio only,
so you can share a little bit

619
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,920
about what you're using.
If that's you, go ahead, Ashley.

620
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,840
I use.
Either the Zoom P4 or the Zoom

621
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:24,440
H4 E And with either of those
you can use them as like for

622
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,120
example, if you are using your
iPhone as your camera, you can

623
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:34,680
use a data cable and connect
that to your interface as yeah,

624
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,280
through the cable as an
interface.

625
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,560
And then you have the same audio
that's on your recorder

626
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,200
automatically built into the
videos.

627
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,680
I like that.
And just for those who may not

628
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,120
know, some newer podcasters,
that's really more for audio

629
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,720
recording, which is what I
asked, you know, if you can tell

630
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,240
us audio or video.
So yeah, Ashley's sharing her

631
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,600
solutions, using hardware to
record the audio.

632
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,240
Yeah, the Zoom P4, the
Roadcaster Pro, the H 6, I think

633
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:05,200
I heard you say, yeah, all of
those great hardware tools for

634
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,560
recording and making it pretty
simple and straightforward.

635
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,960
Anyone else want to share any
type of recording tool you're

636
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,720
using for your podcast
recordings?

637
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:23,240
I just want to quickly shout out
OBS as an open source platform

638
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,480
that's pretty much for
everything.

639
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,360
I think it gives a lot more
options in terms of local

640
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,200
recording.
So this unless you use some

641
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,000
tools with it, it's not going to
be great for remote recording

642
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,160
with guests.
But if it's just you, then video

643
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,160
and audio recording to then put
somewhere else for post

644
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,760
production or even sometimes not
post production.

645
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,960
You can just one and done it
through OBS as well.

646
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,760
But the only caveat that comes
with is that it is an open

647
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,520
source tool that is 100%
flexible and customizable.

648
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,960
But that also means it's the
thing that is very unapologetic

649
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,760
about not telling you what you
should do with it.

650
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,480
So if you do elect to use OBS,
then you'll be looking at

651
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,440
tutorials for a few hours,
you'll be doing testing for a

652
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,800
number of hours on top of that.
But once you understand it, it's

653
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,920
actually very effective to get a
very clean signal from both

654
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,720
audio and video.
And more than likely you'll know

655
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,080
how to manually live stream to
platforms.

656
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,720
You'll be able to do streams
with guests at some point and

657
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,560
then do a bunch of other stuff
too.

658
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,280
So it's it's a very flexible
platform, but it requires a lot

659
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,480
of effort on top, much more than
Riverside or Squad Cast or any

660
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,680
of those other platforms would.
When you say a lot of effort, do

661
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,200
you mean specifically to the
learning curve or even once

662
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,480
you've kind of mastered the
learning curve, there's still a

663
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:50,000
lot to to manage?
Both OK, like here if we're

664
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,120
talking about juggling, where
learning what the ball looks

665
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,280
like, what handling spherical
objects is like, then you start

666
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,400
to learn to juggle, and you keep
adding balls and balls and

667
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,360
balls.
And then an OBS update comes out

668
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,600
and all of a sudden the shape of
the spheres change, so you have

669
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,680
to refigure out how to juggle
again.

670
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,320
And then someone else comes in
and starts juggling with you,

671
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,160
but they're dropping balls.
So you have to figure out how to

672
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,720
add more balls to figure out
their dropped ones and whether

673
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,160
you can even juggle with them in
the first place.

674
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,000
It can get incredibly
complicated from both the

675
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,200
learning curve and for
troubleshooting when things

676
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,240
change and adjust.
And you know, that comes with

677
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:32,200
any platform, but I think with
OBS, it has a very high overhead

678
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,520
of that.
So if you're not a technical

679
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,760
person, you know, be ready to
get technical with it.

680
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,480
And also, if you're not a Mac
person, disregard this whole

681
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,880
conversation, right?
Isn't it Mac only?

682
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,400
I think, I don't know, you could
probably Jerry rig ECAMM to do

683
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,560
some stuff with it.
I have used OBS with Macs in the

684
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,040
past and it can work.
There's just even more technical

685
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,000
stuff you have to have to worry
about.

686
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,720
Like the routing of audio
particularly I think was the

687
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,520
biggest issue that I had to the
point where I was in my old

688
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,840
government job.
And this is during the pandemic

689
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,040
when I was trying to figure out
how to put myself in two places

690
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,320
at the same time to record and
live stream meetings from Teams,

691
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,560
Microsoft Teams to YouTube on
two separate devices.

692
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,400
And then discovered that one of
those live streams didn't have

693
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,640
audio because I hadn't set up
the MacBook correctly.

694
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:26,160
So Macbooks are definitely like
extreme hard mode, whereas

695
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,120
Windows is just normal hard
mode.

696
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,840
And I don't know about you Linux
users, you might be able to do

697
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,600
it.
That could also be in this the

698
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,400
extreme hard basket as well.
Thank you.

699
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,480
Matt.
And I see Janae came up here.

700
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,200
I figured he might come up here
after figuring in case he just

701
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,800
joined us a few moments ago.
I figured he had needed to

702
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,000
figure out what were we
discussing, and I knew once he

703
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,400
did, he'd probably won't come up
here on stage.

704
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,520
So Janae, we're currently
talking all different tools and

705
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,560
we're in the segment right now
of recording tools specifically.

706
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,880
Did you want to comment on
anything Matt's sharing or did

707
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,600
you want to share a tool of your
own that you use for recording?

708
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,040
And what do you like about it?
I love this question and I I

709
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,960
heard Ecam, I heard Mac.
I was like, hey, I need to chime

710
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,680
in.
I've been using ECAMM for the

711
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:18,200
past 160 episodes on my podcast
and with this new ECAMM they

712
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:23,240
have integrated it with Zoom.
So the guest still comes in on

713
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:27,840
Zoom and on your side on ECAMM
side, you can then create

714
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,200
different scenes.
The output content that I get, I

715
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,480
get a full program video that I
can publish to my YouTube

716
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,600
channel.
I get 2 separate audio files

717
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,800
which is 4 separate audio files.
I also get 2 separate video

718
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,440
files, my own video and the
guest video unedited straight

719
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,680
out.
It's called isolated or ISO so

720
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,600
they have that mode in built in.
It's really powerful and I've

721
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,280
I've loved it.
Between the workflow and the

722
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,800
output, it just makes my life so
much easier.

723
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,120
And with the recent additions of
virtual microphone and all the

724
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,040
things that they keep adding to
it, it just makes it more and

725
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,040
more powerful every day.
Thanks.

726
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,760
Thanks, Janae.
And I might have missed it.

727
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,680
What were you using?
I know you said you've been

728
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,000
using it now for like the past
160 episodes, I think is what

729
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,160
you said.
What were you using before that?

730
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:28,240
I'm ashamed, but I still, I used
Zoom for the past many, many

731
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,760
years, especially when I started
interviewing guests on the show.

732
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:37,120
I've I've played with Riverside,
Zen Caster, Squad Cast, all of

733
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,120
those applications which were
pretty clean, but Zoom just

734
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,000
makes it so much easier for the
guests, especially they're not

735
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,440
experts like us as hosts, so
they'll go wherever you bring

736
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,680
them.
And the Zoom integration with

737
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,000
the Callen their apps is so
clean that it just makes it so

738
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,720
much simpler for the guests to
arrive on that platform.

739
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:03,600
So that's what I used for the
past hundreds of episodes.

740
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:04,520
Thanks.
Yeah.

741
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,720
Thanks, Sinead.
And look, I get it because I

742
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,680
think a lot of podcasters will
sometimes shame other

743
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,440
podcasters.
How can you use Zoom?

744
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,520
But let's just be real for a
moment and acknowledge the fact

745
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,560
that Zoom is something that more
guests are going to be

746
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:25,160
comfortable using versus tools
like Riverside or Squad Cast or

747
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,320
what have you.
So that that's one advantage to

748
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,680
using it.
And it's also something that has

749
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,840
improved over time.
Sure.

750
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,160
In the, let's say, when we're
talking over the past five

751
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,800
years, that's really when Zoom
came on and a lot of podcasters

752
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,360
started using it as well.
We had Zoom, people were

753
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,040
comfortable with it, people were
using it.

754
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,600
And then, you know, now there
are some bigger and better tools

755
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,440
out there.
And the bottom line is, is that

756
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,680
it's OK to use Zoom.
The quality has improved

757
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,400
greatly.
There are settings as Dr. and I

758
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,080
have talked about before there.
And I say that because Dr. edits

759
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,600
for some of my clients and there
are some clients that just

760
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,400
refuse to get off of Zoom and
then sometimes are too

761
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,480
intimidated and refuse to go in
and just change a couple of

762
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,240
little settings.
You can get HD quality video

763
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,680
from Zoom and yes, you, I think
the when you start paying for

764
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,800
it, you get more flexibility,
more options as well.

765
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,520
So you can get the HD quality,
you can get separate tracks,

766
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,880
right?
That's a big one for a lot of us

767
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,040
who are serious about our
editing, we want to have

768
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,000
multiple tracks.
Yeah, go ahead, DRI.

769
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,760
Was just about to say sure is.
That's my big thing about zoom.

770
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,440
It's just such a simple, simple
little check mark on a little

771
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:51,440
box to get those separate tracks
and it's what most editors would

772
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,760
prefer is those separate tracks.
Yeah, I'm always, I'm one of the

773
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:02,360
few, or at least in the camp of
being OK with single tracks.

774
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,400
Yes, there is so much more
flexibility when you have

775
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,120
multiple tracks because you can
really clean up a recording so

776
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,880
much more and more effectively
when you when you've got

777
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,280
multiple tracks.
But I I can make the single

778
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,440
tracks work and I think sound
pretty damn good.

779
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,400
But I think that's really, if
you want the best opportunity

780
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,760
for the best editing.
Yeah, you want, you want

781
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,080
multiple tracks.
My biggest thing with the

782
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,840
separate tracks is that in an
organic conversation between two

783
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,480
people, they will automatically
talk on top of each other.

784
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,760
That's just what it is.
And what I like to do with

785
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:46,160
separate tracks is I move those
conversations to where it's at.

786
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,360
Each one, each person is
understood, each, even if it is

787
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,720
like 1/4 of a tiny little bit of
a second, that one will come in

788
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,840
right after the other one.
I will move those conversations

789
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,560
so each one can be heard instead
of one on top of each other.

790
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,200
Thank you, Dr. Appreciate that.
And now I'm going to go to Matt.

791
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,240
Go ahead, Matt.
This is going to be the shocker.

792
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,440
And I think if we were having
the same conversation a year

793
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,360
ago, it wouldn't be the same.
But I think Zoom comes back into

794
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,120
play again, not just because of
their enhancements for video and

795
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,920
audio recording.
And I'm sorry, Mark, I'm also in

796
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,000
separate track camp.
I don't think I could deal with

797
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,600
single tracks.
But you know, you, you make work

798
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,200
with what you get.
You can't always choose what you

799
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,160
what someone gives you.
But the thing that I would

800
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:38,000
compare very directly between
Zoom and Riverside is that the

801
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,320
right reliability of Zoom
overwhelms Riverside to the

802
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,280
greatest degree, more so now
than ever, because Riverside is

803
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:51,200
starting to focus more on their
editing and AI integration and

804
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,600
all these additional tools it
feels like they're recording is

805
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,280
starting to fall by the wayside
a little bit.

806
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,520
There's more errors than I think
I've seen for myself and for my

807
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,440
clients that use it.
And we're seeing a lot of

808
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,160
reports from other people on
forums, you know, grain of salt

809
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,680
with those frustrated users
about it.

810
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,160
The thing is, no one really
complaints about the

811
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,160
connectivity and the support
from Zoom.

812
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,200
They might complain about the
quality, but if you know

813
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,600
guaranteed that someone is going
to be able to use an

814
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,720
application, they don't require
additional support to make it

815
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:29,360
happen that regardless of the
quality, you're going to end up

816
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,520
with a product at the end.
I think that speaks to Zoom as a

817
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,640
product for podcasters these
days more so than any other

818
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,640
aspect of it.
Yeah, the reliability.

819
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,200
Yeah, that's it.
And the the knowledge, like we

820
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,680
don't call it teamzing or blue
jeansing.

821
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,000
We call it Zooming because the
pandemic just created that as

822
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,080
the Kleenex of video remote
tools that people just

823
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,520
understand.
And cornering that market is one

824
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,200
thing, but the reliability of
the technology is huge.

825
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,040
And I think Riverside is just
reaching a little bit further

826
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,800
out.
And that's not to say that the

827
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,920
script rooms wouldn't be.
I know Squad cast has its own

828
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,120
set of issues that I've had to
unpack regularly.

829
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,120
But yeah, I think that's the
biggest thing, support and

830
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,880
reliability.
Thank you, Matt.

831
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,600
I think that's really important
to mention and I appreciate that

832
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,560
you did.
And look, Riverside, I used to

833
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,720
have more issues with recording
early on when I started.

834
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,840
Well, actually this is yeah,
I've been recording via

835
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,920
Riverside to capture video to
use for, for social media for a

836
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,440
long time now.
And I used to have a lot of

837
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,280
recording issues.
Specifically it was the syncing.

838
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,200
My audio wouldn't sync up to the
video and it was quite

839
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,320
frustrating.
They were pretty good.

840
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,640
Riverside about fixing those
issues for me.

841
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,320
I would have to just notify them
and then after a few hours

842
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,640
they'd say OK, it's fixed, but
it it was an issue.

843
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,360
And here's what I personally,
I'm not saying this is the case,

844
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,200
but my experience, what I've
seen is I think some older

845
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,840
computers or slower computers,
less powerful computers have a

846
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,240
harder time handling something
like Riverside.

847
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,760
I upgraded earlier this year my
computer to one of the newest

848
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,360
Mac minis with that M4 chip in
and some other upgrades within

849
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,720
it.
And it's really sings.

850
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,440
I mean, this thing just flies
and Riverside is not an issue

851
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,360
whatsoever.
I have really, I think never had

852
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,360
sinking issues with it since
I've been using this and really

853
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,120
never had any issues since using
this.

854
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,480
So that is something to
consider, you know, as I was

855
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,240
promoting touting Riverside
earlier, as you're all in one

856
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:50,200
tool, I guess the caveat there
is make sure that you have a

857
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,480
computer that's powerful enough
to handle it.

858
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,320
If you've got a computer say
over the past year, 2 years,

859
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,480
maybe 3, but I would say maybe
one to two years.

860
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,600
I think you're in fine shape
overall, not knowing what guts

861
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,960
you have inside your computer.
But overall, I'd say you're

862
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,600
probably in better shape if it's
an older computer.

863
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,600
I would encourage you to 1st
test Riverside a few times using

864
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,560
their free version until you can
get a good feel for it.

865
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,400
Jeff has joined us on the stage
and then we're going to try to

866
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,000
wrap things up.
Jeff, good morning.

867
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,800
Did you want to add about this
the recording tools?

868
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,480
I use zoom.
I feel like it's always

869
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,200
something I had to not admit out
loud because well you guys argue

870
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,880
what a podcast is or isn't.
Somehow it never included zoom.

871
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,320
But anyway I wanted to share how
I do it.

872
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:43,680
I use zoom but I always record
on the road caster pro and I

873
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,440
always use the audio from the
road caster pro not the zoom.

874
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,760
Not because I think the zoom is
is bad or anything, but I do

875
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,080
grab the multi tracks from zoom
and I consider that a backup

876
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,760
because I have like this crazy
paranoid that the interview.

877
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,800
Will you weigh all that time, do
the interview and then something

878
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,160
happens, right?
Zoom, your power goes out or

879
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,400
something like that.
So I always back it up on the

880
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,000
road cast when I usually use
that audio and then I use I've

881
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:16,200
been lately using the video from
the from zoom to put on YouTube.

882
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,480
But but the other thing I wanted
to mention is that thing that

883
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,680
Dr. mentioned, at least it used
to be this way, is if you record

884
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,520
to the cloud on zoom versus to
your computer, the multi track

885
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,360
setting is a different check
box.

886
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:33,200
OK.
And that's I feel like that's

887
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,480
kind of newer too.
I don't feel like it used to

888
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,480
record multi track to the cloud
initially originally.

889
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,720
I don't know, maybe I'm thinking
incorrectly, but OK, that's good

890
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:43,960
to know.
So you have to look for the

891
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,960
right setting if you are
recording to the cloud and you

892
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,720
want multi track.
Yeah, I 'cause I made that

893
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:51,360
mistake once.
That's how, that's how you

894
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learn.
So screw everything up and then

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you become an expert.
Thank you, Jeff.

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Appreciate that.
I like hearing yeah, team Zoom.

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I like that and I will for
Matthew, I'll read what he wrote

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in the chat here.
He said Riverside is still the

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best of the podcast recording
platforms and offers the most.

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But as Mark said, the amount of
users that have poor computers

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and don't know why it isn't
working is contributing to some

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of the failure rates reported in
forums and stuff.

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Yeah, and I think that's a big
one too, Matt.

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I see a lot of people that will
go in and complain, oh,

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Riverside sucks and it's not
working for me.

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And then after a little bit of
digging, you find out they have

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like an 8 year old computer that
they're trying to run it on and

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that's really the issue.
All right, so with that, we are

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back tomorrow at 7:00 AM Eastern
Time and we are covering all the

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headlines around the world of
podcasting.

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Thursday we might dig into a few
more tools, a few more areas of

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podcasting and the tools that
we're using, I'll let you know

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tomorrow if that's the direction
we're going to go.

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So join us every Tuesday through
Friday, 7:00 AM Eastern Time

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time over the summer.
We'll be back to a Monday

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through Friday schedule come
this fall.

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Would love to have you there.
And real quick, if you're

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listening this long, thank you.
And if you're listening this

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long, that means we've probably
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morning.
And if you don't mind, go to

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podcastawards.com and vote for
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under 2 categories, the Adam
Curry People's Choice Award and

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the Education Award.
We only have about two days

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left, well, including today 3 to
vote.

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So just when you're voting, make
sure to go to those categories,

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choose the from the drop down
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It's all alphabetically listed
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podcasting morning chat.
If you haven't voted yet,

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please, please, please give us
your vote.

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Let's try to get a community win
for the podcasting morning chat

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in one or both of those
categories.

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So until tomorrow, make it a
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