344 - Social Media Took Down Your Podcast Account…Now What?

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Thursday July 24th,
2025 and today we're diving into

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a popular podcasts sudden
Instagram ban and an answering

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an honest question.
How do you handle feeling like a

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fraud even when things go well?
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a fellow podcaster.
And now give me about 30 seconds

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and we'll get things rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again, podcasting,
Morning Chat.

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Thank you so much for being
here.

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I am your host Mark Ronick.
And on stage, currently on

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Clubhouse, we have producer
Ashley Feller, Amanda Sharp, and

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Dr. Fay.
And of course, on Chatter.

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On stage with me, we have
Jonathan Howard.

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Today feels a little sloppier
for me with all the new moving

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parts.
I thought I had it all together.

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Things have gone really smoothly
and today I feel like I'm

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stumbling everywhere.
And now I just realized I got to

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fix something on my phone so
Chatter doesn't keep cutting in

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and out on me.
Jonathan, I assume my intro got

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a little bit cut off.
We're fine, just watch the room

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through the chat and if you make
me a mod I'll run the rest.

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Thank you.
Forgot about that.

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Yeah.
So see, lots of moving parts.

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I'm still figuring it out, and
we'll get there, I promise.

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What I'd like to do first is
actually share.

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If you heard my intro, I
mentioned this popular podcast

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that recently got an Instagram
ban.

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And actually, this is somebody I
know personally.

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The podcast is called Dopey the
Dopey podcast and this is a

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podcast.
Well, I'll let the the host

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explain, but I'll share first.
He is married to my one of my

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cousins and he started his
podcast about a decade ago and

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he came to me for some advice,
especially in the earlier years.

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He we would just sit and talk
and I would give him some

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podcasting advice here and there
to help the show long and it is

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really taken off since then.
I think what really put them on

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the map was NPRNPR did one of
their podcasts This American

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Life.
They featured the Dopey Podcast

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and the unfortunate part about
this show is that Dave, we'll

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call him my cousin Dave's Co
host who he started the show

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with Chris actually on this very
day, seven years ago, had a

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relapse because well, I should
have said the Dopey Podcast is

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all about drug addiction.
I don't know if I said that.

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And Chris had a relapse and
passed away seven years ago

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today, which feels even worse
when we find out that as of this

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past Friday, Instagram just took
down the Dopey Podcast Instagram

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page, which was one of his
primary social media pages,

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really had built up a following
over there.

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And no warning, nothing.
So I'm going to actually just

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play first this clip.
It's like a minute or so long

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that he posted to Facebook
because he's not banned from

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Facebook.
And it was on his personal page

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talking about what has happened
and really asking for some help.

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Hello everybody, my name is
David Mannheim.

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I created and produced and host
a podcast called Dopey on the

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dark comedy of drug addiction.
I started it 9 1/2 years ago

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with my friend Chris.
The idea was to tell stories

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about drug addiction and
ultimately stories about

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recovery.
It was on drugs, addiction and

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dumb shit.
It was on the dark comedy of

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drug addiction.
Tragically, 7 years ago this

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week, Chris relapsed and died of
a fentanyl overdose on Friday

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when I came home from a family
vacation.

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Instagram shut down our account
and said that we were promoting

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drugs and violating community
standards because robots don't

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understand satire.
So help me fight back.

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This is the first video of many.
I don't necessarily know what

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I'm doing, but I need your help.
Stay strong my brothers and

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sisters, in and out of recovery
and fucking toodles.

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For Chris and that last line
there effing toodles for Chris.

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That is their tagline, much,
much like I'll say make it a

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great day.
At the end of the show, Chris

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used to say, as if if I recall
correctly, that used to be

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Chris's line and it used to
drive Dave crazy.

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And when Chris had passed, that
was one of Dave's way ways of

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honoring Chris and how he does
embrace that term and says it

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and so does his community.
That is such a thing you'll see

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on all of their social media
posts, but unfortunately not on

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Instagram as of right now.
So there's a lot to unpack here.

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And DRI know you were saying
that to me before we started the

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show.
You felt like there was a lot to

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unpack here.
Where do you suggest we start

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with this?
This is multi layered here.

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There's like the big meta giant
in the sky that doesn't have a

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face.
It's just like, you know, don't

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look behind the curtain, don't
look at the little man behind

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the curtain.
And the censorship thing is

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there's that and the whole bot
thing.

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The fact that I mean, this is
just driving home how there

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needs to be some people behind
these big conglomerate non faced

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companies.
There needs to be humans behind

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there.
This is like the golden child of

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examples of what can happen.
Yeah, we talked about the fact

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that it's really dangerous to
rely on your social media.

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And I'll say first let me say
it's dangerous because something

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like this can happen, right?
Or you could get hacked and lose

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your account.
There could be a bunch of

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reasons why that's that's one.
And I think, you know, we, we

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urge you to have things like
newsletters and have things like

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other social media accounts,
etcetera, so that you're not

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depending on one place.
And he's not like he's got a

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YouTube channel, he's got a
Facebook group that's really

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rocking.
Got a Patreon?

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He's got a Patreon.
I see.

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I'm I'm looking at his at all of
his episodes now.

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And he's still heartbroken.
That's the thing, right?

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Like let's be real, that's one
area we haven't really gone to

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yet is even if you have all the
fail safes in place, it still

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sucks when one of your number
one platforms is pulled out from

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under.
You for the wrong reason.

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Now, look, I will say that the
Dopey podcast, in the clips that

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he plays, a lot of times they
are he's sitting down with a

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celebrity or he's sitting down
with somebody who is recover a

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recovering addict, right?
And they talk about the very

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real stories of their addiction.
And sometimes, thankfully, they

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can laugh about them.
And so who knows, maybe perhaps

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Instagram felt like, well, this
isn't appropriate to be laughing

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about addiction, but this show
has become a movement.

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This show has helped so many
people through recovery.

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And I mean, he has conventions.
He calls it dopey con with big.

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Names.
Oh, that's great.

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Yeah, big name celebrities come
to this and his community comes

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in droves, like he's doing all
the things.

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And he just one of the last
things he, he texted me, 'cause

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I was asking him some questions
this morning.

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I was trying to get him to come
on, but he's got something going

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on.
But he's devastated.

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Yeah, this thing has kicked the
guts out of me.

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That's his quote.
Jonathan, I see your hand is up.

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And as one of our go TOS when it
comes to social media, what do

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you say about all this?
In early, late spring, I went to

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the conference down in Texas and
spoke there.

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Now about two weeks after that
conference happened, the owner

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of that conference and
everything, she lost her

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Instagram, Facebook and Threads,
all because of a

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misinterpretation of a post.
She had 100 some odd 1000

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followers between the bunch.
What we helped her do was we

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posted on LinkedIn about it
tagging Instagram business.

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We posted on Twitter and
Twitter's actually what saved

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them.
She was able to get through with

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somebody on Twitter because even
though she was verified, they

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weren't able to help her get any
anything anywhere on the Meta

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platforms until the customer
service came through on Twitter.

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Definitely post on Twitter,
definitely express anger and

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then all of us can go and re
share those posts throughout the

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platforms, including on
Instagram.

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So if you've got access to your
Instagram, then you can share it

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on Instagram and let them know.
And they were able to get their

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entire compliment of profiles
back.

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It took two weeks, but they were
able to do it.

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OK, so there's hope.
I was waiting for you to say,

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you know, you can try but but
you have a real life example

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here And was that account a
bigger account?

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Whatever.
However we want to define

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bigger.
But did they have a big

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following?
The conference and have a huge

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following because it's a fairly
new conference but she so she

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lost her business account her
conference account and her

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personal account.
Now she has 100,000 some odd

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followers and then a couple
accounts that were actually

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attached because they were lines
that she ran were shut down too.

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So yeah, she she lost a bit on
them, but.

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That's cool to know.
So you're suggesting on other

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social media platforms and on
Instagram Post, read post about

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it, say and tag Instagram tag
what else creators ad?

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Creators.
Yeah, all, all of the Instagram

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accounts you can think of, tag
all of those.

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And of course, Adam, Missouri.
Yes, OK, so this.

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Is and we'll put some links in
the show notes.

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Absolutely.
And I'll share it out loud to

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dopeypodcast.com.
You can get all of their

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information there.
You can find their other social

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media accounts so that you can
tag them as well and let let

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Instagram know that they have
been wrongfully removed.

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They effed up.
Yeah, yeah.

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They effed up bad.
So, Jonathan, was she able to

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regain the numbers that she had
before, or was it just a big,

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long, long climb back?
No, she was able to regain her

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entire her profiles back exactly
as they were.

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They suspend, they suspend them,
but they keep the the profile.

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Thank goodness in case they make
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Interesting.
Does anyone have any other

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suggestions, thoughts, ideas as
to what we could do?

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I know that one of the things
that I was thinking is we could

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do a petition, an online
petition.

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I don't know how well those
work.

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And Jonathan, I don't know if
you know how well those work,

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but I know that there are places
out there like Change.org,

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ipetitions.com, I think
actionnetwork.org, maybe another

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one where you can create your
own petition.

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You could title it, reinstate at
Dobie Podcasts Instagram

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account.
You know, this was a mistake,

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something like that.
Explain.

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But I guess this really should
be for him to do and then create

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the link.
But I'm sharing this in case

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somebody else listening goes
through this.

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They know that they could do
something like this too.

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So yeah, you just create the
petition, add a few paragraphs

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about what's going on, why it's
unfair, target and tag the right

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people, include a call to action
and then blasted everywhere.

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Similarly to what Jonathan was
saying, do it on X do it on

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threads, on Facebook, TikTok,
wherever and tag Instagram, tag

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at creators and where whomever
else like Jonathan was

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suggesting Adam Missouri,
etcetera.

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But let's try to help dopey
podcast because yeah, of course

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I have a personal tie because I
this guy is in my family, but

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also this is a really important
show.

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He's helping.
I can't tell you how many people

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this show has helped.
I genuinely don't know and I

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know it is a lot.
I I follow the Facebook group

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and I see the amazing flooding
of posts from people thanking

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this podcast for being there for
them.

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Addiction can be very lonely,
and Dave has created a space for

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people to feel a little less
lonely and to feel encouraged

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through the difficulties of
breaking through addiction.

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So let's help Dopey podcast out.
We'll put, like Dr. said, we'll

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put lots of links in the show
notes Dr. suggested earlier, and

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I'm going to take her up on it.
We're going to reach out to

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podnews.com.
Being that we have a good

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relationship with James
Cridland, hopefully he could do

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at least a blurb about it to
raise some awareness as well.

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Good luck to Dave.
And again, I mentioned earlier,

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his Co host Chris passed away
seven years ago today.

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So our condolences and fucking
toodles to Chris.

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So with that, we're going to
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has anything they wanted to add.
Renee, did you want to add

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something?
Welcome to the stage.

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More on a preventative concern.
People are wondering, how do I

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keep this from happening to me?
Well, we never know when the

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number is up.
We don't know what caused this

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AI glitch, you know, spam
attack, saying it's a terrible

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profile.
We just don't know, right?

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But as a marketing agency, we've
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of jail.
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is if they were running ads, if
they were running ads, we can go

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through the support desk for the
ads console, you know, through

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our business manager and we can
go in there and have them

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advocate for us.
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because the client is in the
business manager, but I can also

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go in and advocate as their
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So my only thing is I'm saying
is if you wanted to run just low

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level $3 a day and running, you
know, to your account and just

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have these, you know, and we're
talking $100, but we are living

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on their atmosphere for free,
right?

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Is it worth it to pay that extra
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So that's just my you think I
worked for Meta by the way I

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talk, but that's where I've seen
I've been able to do magic when

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they've been running ads with
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I think that's a good point.
I know that before I got

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verified on Instagram, that was
a strategy I used when I got

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hacked because I happen to have
been running ads or yeah, I

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think I was running ads at the
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And so I had a way, a better way
of connecting.

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But I just said it, and this is
what surprises me is he was a

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verified account.
And yet one of the perks of

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having a verified account is
that you're supposed to be able

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to have access to Instagrams
customer service, yet it's not

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helping him at all.
Yeah, Jonathan, go ahead.

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Brittany, who's the one that
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verified and it didn't help at
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The one thing I want to tell
people is, you know, sometimes

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even though it doesn't look like
you were spam attacked, it could

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be a spam attack that impacts
those things.

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So please make sure you check
it's in your settings.

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There will be a thing saying
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Check those first.
Don't like just open any links

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on your DMS and stuff that are
suspicious.

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There's a lot of stuff
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So just don't open those links.
Thank you, Jonathan.

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And by the way, I just have to
say thank you for making this

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really cool animated graphic
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We have pinned at the top of the
page on Chatter.

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Jonathan has made a really cool
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scrolls through all the
different things that we do here

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in this community, from the
podcasting morning chat to

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empowered podcasting too.
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And I and I really appreciated
nice touch where you included my

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tagline, make it a great day in
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So if anybody's interested, come
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out.
Ashley, if you don't mind

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pinning a link to the room, the
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that.
And I'm going to keep things

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going because we've got 2 full
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as well.
So let me actually go to the

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Chatter stage.
And I should also say we have

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Amanda Yoho as a Co host
moderator here on Chatter and

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I'm going to skip her for a
second and go to a guest that's

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on the stage, Yvonne.
Yvonne has jumped from Clubhouse

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over here to Chatter.
Good morning.

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Yvonne, did you want to add to
the conversation?

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Jonathan invited me to to speak
so I just accepted but I'm just

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I'm checking out chatter.
What do you think so far?

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Got to join Jonathan's rule last
night that the onboarding that

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he said, which was super
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And I don't know what I think
yet.

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Honestly, it's weird to not see
the people's faces in Clubhouse.

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So when somebody's talking, I'm
like, oh, who, who?

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You know, if it, if it's not
somebody, I already know their

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voice really well.
I'm amazed.

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Before you go on, I just want to
acknowledge that we have Dominic

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in the room along with Paula and
Jeff.

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Yes, indeed.
To be acknowledged.

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Absolutely, and great to have
some familiar faces on the

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stage, some that we don't get to
see as often these days.

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So cool.
Thank you all for joining us.

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Let's go to Jeff first.
That's at least how I see it

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here on the queue.
So Jeff, good morning.

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Did you want to add to this
conversation about getting

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banned?
It's one quick thing and being

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verified on Instagram and being
verified on Facebook.

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If he's not verified on
Facebook, he should do that and

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that because then you can get
into their support system

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through the Facebook.
App.

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That's a great suggestion.
Thank you, Jeff.

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That makes a lot of sense.
So get verified on Facebook,

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that'll be a little backup
protection from your Instagram

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or vice versa for that matter.
Anything else, Jeff?

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No pressure, just wanted to make
sure.

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I did hit 500,000 views on
YouTube last night.

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So like a combined from all your
videos so far?

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Was it 1 video?
I wish it was wondering I'd be

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so rich right now.
I wouldn't be talking to you.

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No, it was combined, but it was
like it was a little milestone.

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So I thought it was it was cool.
Wait, what's that?

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Paula's charming.
And what's that, Paula?

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I'm telling Jeff wins is
tomorrow.

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Wins.
That's right, That's right.

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Yes, Fridays we do.
Wins.

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That's a good win to share
tomorrow.

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But if Jeff can't make it, he
got it in early, was excited

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right now, so I just had to
share it.

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I just like distracting Jeff.
I clearly thank you, Paula.

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Thank you, Paula.
All right, let's check in with

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Paula while we're here.
Paula, did you want to add on to

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this?
I know there was another topic

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what we were going to bring up
with you today.

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Is that why you're up here, or
did you want to add on to the

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whole band thing?
I'm happy because you kept on

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asking me to be happy.
I'm up.

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No, I did not have anything to
add on to this.

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I'm just here to disrupt.
OK.

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We'll come to you because I do
know you.

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We talked about something going
on with you that maybe we could

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talk about a little bit this
morning as well.

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And then we'll try to get into
our conversation about what

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really makes a great guest,
which I'll just tease and say I

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thought it would be appropriate
to talk about what makes a good

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guest after earlier this week we
were talking about guests gone

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wrong, right?
So OK, we got that out of the

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way.
Now let's talk about what makes

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a great guest.
So we'll get into that, too.

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First, I will say a quick good
morning to Dominic Lawson.

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Good morning, Dominic.
Welcome.

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Good morning everybody.
Hope everybody's well.

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Good to have you here and if I
don't know if you wanted to

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chime in or not about this band
thing, you're more than welcome

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to if you have anything.
No, I don't have anything, just.

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Wanted to be here in.
Support, that's all.

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Cool.
I love it.

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Thank you for being here.
Awesome.

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Good to have you here.
And is there a new episode of

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Mental Health Rewritten that's
out yet?

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Yes, there's actually one that
came out yesterday rewriting the

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conversation around suicide.
So just having that

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conversation.
So yeah.

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Got a lot.
Of positive reviews about that,

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so check it out.
Awesome.

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And Dominic is in some kind of
cave that has some kind of work

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going on behind in the.
Background.

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New York City life.
That's what we tell him.

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Atlanta is a better choice for
him.

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He doesn't listen.
I'm currently in New York.

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I'm here for the Black Podcast
Association Summer Social where

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I'm given the keynote this year.
So you're going to get a workout

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in before the day gets started?
Well, that's awesome.

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Say hi to Cory for me.
I know Cory's at least an

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organizer.
I think he's the organizer of

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that event.
Say hi to Corey for me.

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And all right, I think now we
can we can shift some gears

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here.
And before we get into the guest

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topic, let me check in with
Paula.

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Paula, we were talking earlier
this week.

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That's why I was inviting you on
the stage, because I didn't want

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you to think I forgot.
You had mentioned something

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about some feelings you're
having these days about, I guess

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maybe we should call it, your
recent successes, your recent

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wins.
And if you want to share, by all

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means go for it.
OK, before I get into it, I'm

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still a broke bitch, so nobody
come ask me for money.

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Yeah, but we were talking about
feeling like a fraud, you know,

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and and nothing imposter
syndrome, but mostly fraud

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because this year has been wild
for me.

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A lot of incredible
opportunities and included in

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rooms that I don't even believe
I should be in.

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My shout out to Dominic and my
Hope boys, Chris, Walter,

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Dominic, they make me see the
news that I don't see, but I

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also don't feel it.
I feel like I am a fraud because

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podcasting just kind of dropped
in the air for me, right?

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It's nowhere.
My career was headed.

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I was looking the other day and
my entire argar is packed with

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pain.
Stuff that I didn't even apply

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for.
I have clients like Dominic and

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Walter.
I don't even feel like I I can

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say that out loud and be proud
because I still laughed at the

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fact that Oh my God, Dominic and
Walter are my clients.

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I still feel like they talk
proudly about me when I say this

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year has been back end.
I never even thought I'd be in a

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position to tell Budweiser to
hold on right now, even though

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that was one of the sponsorship
that I was always wanting.

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But now I'm telling them, oh
wait, I can't, I'm a fraud.

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Listen, even the female
entrepreneurship, Yes, I'm a

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female, but I really don't see
myself as an entrepreneur.

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So that all magazine and people
wanting autographs and then I

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got asked to be a keynote
speaker in a fully paid trip to

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a conference in Japan, which I'm
just like no, I can't.

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Wow, y'all know?
I don't like speaking.

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I've said no to speaking.
I don't want to speak and I'm

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being paid to moderate.
Like all these things.

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That's what I'm saying.
Like even talking about them,

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I'm shaking.
And I'm like, there's so much

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that's happening in the back end
that yes, it's not reaching

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money on the table yet, but it's
opportunities that I would have

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never dreamed of that are
happening.

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Dominic knows this.
I just shared it with them

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yesterday.
I even Malcolm just passed away

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and the black community, it's a
big, a big loss for us.

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But last year somebody went to
his keynote and spoke about my

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podcast and the conversations
were happening.

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We just never got to that point.
But it's like all these things

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and I'm like, I feel like a
fraud because I shouldn't.

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No, I agree.
You shouldn't.

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The fact that so many people are
coming to you to be a part of

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something that they're doing,
that alone tells me you're not a

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fraud.
I know maybe you feel like it,

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but the point is, is that people
obviously are valuing what you

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do, what you say, and they want
you to be a part of it.

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I and I want to pause and let
Jonathan chime in a little bit

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because I feel like this is a
bit of an area of his expertise.

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This is kind of the stuff he
works on with a lot of his

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clients.
So, Jonathan, what say you?

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You've got to acknowledge, you
put in the work.

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You've got to look at it and say
I've done all of these things.

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Look at what you've done in the
past two years.

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I've seen you do so many things.
You've grown in so many ways.

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You are in a fraud.
You've put in the work to get

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there.
People trust you because you've

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00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,440
shown them that they can trust
you.

451
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,040
Think about all you've done to
show people that they can trust

452
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,000
you and how many things each
time.

453
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,320
I mean, the first person I saw
when I went to podcast Movement

454
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,160
was you running up to me.
I'm like, Oh my God.

455
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Oh, it's Paula.
A little package with a huge

456
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,280
presence.
And you deserve it.

457
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,800
And you should celebrate each
and every one of the wins that

458
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,240
you have so you remember that
you deserve it, because you do.

459
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,520
It's all earned.
You made yourself seen and

460
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,600
valued, and that's what it
takes.

461
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,560
I know that right?
And believe me, I'd be the

462
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,160
people telling you that as
Dominic, even you, Mark, I'd be

463
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,720
like, yo, you need to celebrate.
I'm the high person who, but I

464
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,440
don't know how to do the same
for myself.

465
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:14,240
Like to tell myself that you
deserve this, you've and this,

466
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,760
you've worked for this.
And actually, just yesterday, I

467
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,600
am so grateful for Dominic,
Walter and Chris and that group

468
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,720
of hours we have 'cause they
really do see me.

469
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,840
And we were talking about how
they see me versus how I see

470
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,320
myself.
And then it came that I was

471
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,640
like, yeah, 'cause Dominic at
one point recommended a

472
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,880
documentary for me to watch.
And when I watched it, it really

473
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,440
did give me the motivation go
for things.

474
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,800
And that's when I started
working on all these new

475
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,560
projects and going bravely in
for the things that this year

476
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,120
I'm getting.
And every time I feel down, I

477
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,680
watch that.
But I've also told myself, like,

478
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,360
I get this ego, it goes up.
And then I'm also like, I'm

479
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,960
trying to remind myself to slow
down.

480
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,360
And they even told me that,
like, make sure your ego doesn't

481
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,320
become kind of ego, right?
And I try not to.

482
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,080
And I know I deserve it because
I've earned it, because I've

483
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,280
walked out.
But when I sit down and really

484
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,000
by myself, I'm like, I feel like
a fraud.

485
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,840
So I'm trying to figure out how
to embrace it.

486
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,280
Let me cut you off if you don't
mind, because I saw Amanda wants

487
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,440
to chime in while you were
talking, so I think maybe she

488
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,120
can offer something.
Go ahead, Amanda.

489
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,280
Paula, you know I love and adore
you.

490
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,640
You're amazing.
And I can hear it in your voice

491
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,320
that you're in a season of of
something.

492
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,120
So listen, it might be time and
I know you might not be able to

493
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,960
do this because multiple people
on stage could not do this.

494
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,360
To have like, I feel like you're
at almost needing a manager.

495
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,280
And I say that like not to like
be silly, but like to be serious

496
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,000
where it's somebody who can help
orchestrate your August so it's

497
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,040
not so jam packed to know what
to say yes to, what to say no

498
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,200
to, to go.
You can't say no to this because

499
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,240
you're closing doors and you're
capable of this.

500
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,120
Like almost like it would be a
close friend that could do those

501
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,240
things for you.
And I'm thinking like that Japan

502
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,720
trip, would you have felt
different if you would have been

503
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,720
able to negotiate someone going
with you?

504
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,600
I just don't want to be a
speaker.

505
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,760
Do you not want to be a speaker
because you just don't feel like

506
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,880
what you just said?
Like in your core of core, you

507
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,880
don't think you're equipped to
speak or you don't like to

508
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:32,720
speak.
I hate it.

509
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,480
I hate it.
OK, Because that's.

510
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,000
Different So what I would
recommend is anytime you're

511
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,600
being reached out to have a
speaking opportunity, maybe you

512
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,280
have like that one sheet that
you can pass out as the things

513
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,320
that you do offer that I'm
seeing the hosting the greeter

514
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,280
like those type of things and
maybe your fees.

515
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,960
So that way you have they make
space for you in the capacity

516
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,040
that because I'd hate for
opportunities to just pass you

517
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,040
by when given because maybe they
just feel like that would be

518
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,760
below what you would be willing
to do.

519
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,040
So they're offering where they
see you at the level that they

520
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,920
see you, but you're staying at
the season in this arena and in

521
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,480
doing well, maybe they would go,
oh, well, we did need someone

522
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,840
for that.
And then you're getting in a

523
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,400
place around those people and in
an activity that, I mean,

524
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,840
there's no doubt that you're a
blessing in those areas.

525
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,080
And maybe someday you'll feel
like you don't hate speaking in

526
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,480
front of people, because I do
think you have so much to say.

527
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,840
I feel like that a lot of this
may have to do with lack of

528
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,840
repetition.
In other words, I think the more

529
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,440
that you force yourself to step
on stages, the easier it's going

530
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,640
to get.
Go ahead.

531
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,160
And I don't know that Paula
saying it's intimidated as much

532
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,440
as she just doesn't like it.
Like if you don't like doing

533
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,280
something, reps can't make you
like it more.

534
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,880
I want to challenge that for a
second.

535
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,520
Who here thinks Paula doesn't
like to talk?

536
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,440
There's a difference between
talking.

537
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,200
I challenge that.
I think that if you are.

538
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,000
I'm with you, Mark.
Thank you, I think if you're a

539
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,520
person who enjoys talking.
Wait, who was that?

540
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,800
That was Yvonne.
Paula, you said that you don't

541
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,680
have anything to say because
you're still learning.

542
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,680
And I often feel the same way.
But here's the thing.

543
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,000
Yeah, we're all still learning
and you're wherever you're at.

544
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,240
You're that many steps ahead of
somebody else who would love to

545
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,600
learn from you.
And I get the not wanting to

546
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,680
speak.
If you had told me that I would

547
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,440
want to be speaking, if you told
me that five years ago, I

548
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,880
wouldn't like what spit taped in
your face, it would have been

549
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,000
like, no effing way am I going
to be speaking in front of

550
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,520
people.
And, and I think that's the main

551
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,280
thing is you got to trust
yourself because even if you are

552
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,320
still learning, there's
something for you to offer

553
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,000
people.
And clearly that's being you're

554
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,800
being called to it.
I'm with you, Yvonne, and I'm

555
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,280
going to keep going, Paul.
I'm going to make you make you

556
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,000
stay quiet for a second because
there are more people that want

557
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,240
to chime in.
And 1st I want to before I go to

558
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,040
Hillary and Amanda yoa on the
chatter stage, I want to stop

559
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:22,000
pause real quick to say hello to
Pedro on chatter here on stage.

560
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,920
Pedro, one of the O GS of the
podcasting morning chat.

561
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,640
Good morning to you, Pedro.
Welcome.

562
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,680
Good morning.
Good morning, beautiful people.

563
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,320
How are y'all doing?
It's good to see the podcast in

564
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,160
morning Chat over here on
Chatter.

565
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,400
Man, this, this the warms my
soul.

566
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,520
It's going to be a good day
today.

567
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,560
What's going on, Mark?
Jonathan, good to have you here,

568
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,040
Jaro.
I appreciate it.

569
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,160
Yeah, Pedro has been over here
on Chatter for a while now doing

570
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,960
a morning thing as well.
Thanks for taking some time,

571
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,560
Pedro, to be here.
And of course, you are always

572
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,520
welcome to be here.
And by the way, why don't you

573
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,600
just share real quick?
What is that show that you do in

574
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,880
the mornings here on Chatter?
Yeah.

575
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,600
So the morning show we do is
called the Morning Social.

576
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,000
You know, talk about stuff
that's going on in the news,

577
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,000
entertainment, morning
conversations over coffee.

578
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,120
And and usually.
That's, you know how how it ends

579
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,440
up going.
So a variety of topics.

580
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,400
Cool.
Awesome.

581
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,160
Welcome back, Pedro.
All right, I'm going to go to

582
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,520
Hillary here on the chatter
stage.

583
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,080
Hillary, welcome back.
Good morning.

584
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,200
What did you want to add?
The reason why we avoid things

585
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,880
with impostor syndrome is
because we feel like we don't

586
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,000
know the, we don't really know
what we're talking about or we

587
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,640
feel like even if what we do
know isn't enough, that other

588
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,960
people know so much more.
Why are we being selected?

589
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,720
So go to ChatGPT, ask it.
Can you quiz me on and give it

590
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,640
the topic that you're going to
speak on and go deep with it.

591
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,640
I mean, go real deep with it.
If you can explain it to a child

592
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,080
that they make it make sense,
then you know what you're

593
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,800
talking about.
Literally.

594
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,360
If you can make a child
understand your subject matter,

595
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,600
you know what you're talking
about and you know enough to get

596
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,920
up there and talk to everybody
else about it.

597
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,880
If you cannot explain it, then
maybe you need to learn a little

598
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,240
bit more.
But I have a feeling that you

599
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,840
understand it really, really a
lot better than you think you

600
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,800
do.
Then that's all it takes is just

601
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,000
that reassurance of yourself
knowing, wait, I do know what

602
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,719
I'm talking about.
You know, your viewpoint is what

603
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,080
is valuable.
That's what people are

604
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,280
approaching you for because of
the way you see things and the

605
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,800
way that you approach the
situation.

606
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,120
They want to hear your thoughts
on it.

607
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,960
So.
Amen to that.

608
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,760
I hope that helps.
Yeah.

609
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,280
Thank you, Hillary.
And I hope this helps more than

610
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,480
just Paula, because let's be
real, I think a lot of us

611
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,560
podcasters go through this at
one point or another.

612
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,040
So hopefully some of these words
that are being shared today is

613
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,560
landing on somebody who needs
it.

614
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,679
And let's check in with Amanda
Yoa on the Chatter stage.

615
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,960
Good morning to you, Amanda.
What did you want to add to

616
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,639
this?
You have such a popping

617
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:48,040
personality, you kill it on
everything you do but I.

618
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,159
Can feel what sounds like a
little bit of burn on it.

619
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,239
This is just been my personal
experience.

620
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,960
When you are constantly in the
doing, when opportunities are

621
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,800
rising, when things are
happening for you.

622
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,320
And it's almost surprising
because you've worked so hard to

623
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,560
get yourself to this space that
when this comes up, you're like,

624
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,640
wait a minute, like I've been
working hard, but you have to

625
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,720
work twice as hard as your in
your mindset.

626
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,360
And that was a lesson that I had
to learn.

627
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,040
I'm working on my mindset daily
because I know I can't pour from

628
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,680
an empty cup.
If I'm not.

629
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,200
Feeling it to be true, if other
people are seeing my greatness

630
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,880
and I'm not seeing it for
myself, I got to flip it,

631
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,400
reverse and rewind and go back
and have a chat with myself.

632
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,640
So you know, as they say, fake
it till you make it.

633
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,200
I feel like you're in a season
now or you're making it.

634
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,840
So you got to make a choice what
you're going to do for yourself.

635
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,680
And I think all you need to do
is just have that conversation

636
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,040
with you, Look yourself in the
mirror and tell you that you are

637
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,600
worthy, you are ready.
You are a leader in what you do

638
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,360
right?
And you bring to the table

639
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,240
uniqueness.
That is you and nobody else can

640
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:54,480
do that.
Nobody.

641
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,680
OK, brand on point girl.
So have that chat with yourself.

642
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,560
I think it's honestly just as
simple as that.

643
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,200
And have a daily.
Have a daily and watch what

644
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,760
comes up for you.
Talk that out.

645
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,480
Mindset is so important.
I'm right there with you.

646
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,560
There are things that are, it's
happening for me that I'm like,

647
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,080
holy crap, and I need to have
that conversation with myself.

648
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,600
Am I ready for this?
Yes, I am because I've been

649
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,800
working hard to get myself to
where I am today.

650
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,920
So work on that mindset, girl,
You're ready for it.

651
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,160
Everybody needs to experience
you.

652
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,640
You need to believe that within
your core and then you were

653
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,080
going to explode.
Thank you. 22 awesome pieces of

654
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,360
advice, one from Hillary, one
from Amanda, although multiple

655
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,440
pieces within both, but thank
you for all of that.

656
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,440
And I, one of the points that
Hillary brought up that I just

657
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,600
want to circle back to is that
whole idea, and I'm sure some

658
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,920
people have heard it, but I'm
sure many haven't.

659
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,320
That whole idea that all that
matters are the people that are

660
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,360
behind you.
It doesn't matter that you may

661
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,120
not be at the level you're
expecting yourself to be.

662
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,600
You haven't quite reached that
goal yet.

663
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:05,360
You're not quite like those
people that you follow that

664
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,320
you're striving to maybe learn
from and and to learn from.

665
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,120
But what really matters is just
those people behind you that

666
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,880
are, that are looking to move
forward, that are looking to

667
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,800
grow.
And you are that person to them

668
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,920
because you're making it feel
more relatable to them than

669
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,840
those people that have a million
followers like that just feels

670
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,680
so out of reach.
But you have a, you have a

671
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,080
proven following that listens,
that responds, that interacts,

672
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,760
and you have so many great
things to say that that those

673
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,080
people behind you are going to
gravitate to that.

674
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,600
And that's so true because
Dominic and Walter didn't need

675
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,440
to hire me.
Yep.

676
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:51,960
I feel like sometimes I want to
see what they see in me because

677
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,080
I know I talk a lot of shit and
because maybe in my mind I put

678
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,840
myself in that I talk a lot of
shit, but they see through the

679
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,440
shit that I talk.
I don't know.

680
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:07,320
But also to answer Yvonne, I
really, really from the bottom

681
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,600
of my heart do not want to be a
speaker.

682
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,480
I understand everybody is
different and everybody gets

683
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,000
another things, but there's a
reason I tried it and there's a

684
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,680
reason why I never applied for
Empowered or any other.

685
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,960
And there's a reason why I say
Pod Fest was going to be my last

686
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,040
place and why I only spoke at
Pod Fest and Alphas and Al

687
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,000
yours.
I needed to get what I got and

688
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,720
learn from what I needed from
those places.

689
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,360
And that's why I no longer like
even ask Dominique.

690
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,560
When we were in Detroit, I
thought I was going there to, to

691
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,120
assist and learn.
And when they told me they were

692
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,800
putting me in a panel was like,
oh shit, I didn't know I had to

693
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,320
be in a panel because I in my
head, I was done speaking.

694
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:02,240
But then it was a panel and I
said I would be in panels in

695
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,760
moderate and awesome places that
my energy or my mind feels to

696
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,320
it.
And that's why I do those

697
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,800
panels.
Even this panel I didn't apply.

698
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,480
I don't apply to speak anymore.
The last place I applied to

699
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,440
speak was Pod Fest last year,
which I spoke this year in

700
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,040
January.
I don't apply to speak even the

701
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,720
one I'm moderating with Walter I
got recommended.

702
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,000
I don't want to speak anymore
like.

703
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,280
I get it, and that's fair.
I respect that.

704
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,120
If that's genuinely where your
heart is, you just don't like

705
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,320
doing it, then so be it.
Then you don't like doing it and

706
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,680
you can still be a big
influence, a big help to lots of

707
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,160
people in lots of other ways.
So yeah, if you don't feel it

708
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,960
first, if you're standing on a
physical stage, so be it.

709
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,920
And Paula, because we're short
on time and I see somebody else

710
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,840
wants to chime in.
If you don't mind, give me a

711
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,560
minute.
Let me ask you to pause and

712
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,480
check back in with Jonathan.
Go ahead, Jonathan.

713
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,880
Oh, OK, Cool, cool.
And thank you for sharing that,

714
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Paula.
I don't believe Paula because I

715
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,480
see myself in Paula like a year
and a half ago.

716
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,760
So, Paul, are you going to be
empowered at Empowered

717
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,560
Podcasting this year?
I'm sadly enough.

718
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,680
Oh, OK, never mind.
Even if you were a volunteer.

719
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,360
I haven't been reached out to.
People have been reached out to.

720
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,840
So I don't know, you know?
I'm reaching out to you now,

721
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,760
feel.
Like we have been wanting me and

722
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,480
no, you can't reach me out after
I've said nobody has reached me

723
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,080
out.
I wanted to have you actually

724
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,400
come and be a part of my panel
because it's not that you don't

725
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,360
want to speak that, it's just
you don't know the right way to

726
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,520
speak at these things, which I
get.

727
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,120
I do things differently too, so
talk to me.

728
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,400
Yeah.
I was going to say, you guys

729
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,720
have a conversation.
If Paula's interested, have a

730
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:48,720
conversation outside of here.
And Paula, you are always

731
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,960
welcome and always invited to
anything that we do.

732
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,040
And don't take it personally
because quite frankly, we

733
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,240
haven't really reached out to
anybody for volunteering yet

734
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,520
because we've been struggling to
get some other areas.

735
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,040
I've seen people giving their
videos of last year experiences

736
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,440
and I wasn't reached out to give
my experience.

737
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,560
I'm just saying, I'm just saying
I, I didn't feel like I was

738
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,520
included in this year.
So, you know, we'll see.

739
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,480
See, and I could and I could
have said to you, I got the

740
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,280
impression you had no interest
'cause you never reached out to

741
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,920
me and said you were excited.
Why should I reach out to you

742
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,440
when you are the one planning
this?

743
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,000
Now I'm just telling you that.
This is your thing.

744
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,240
I'll tell you why, because I'm
planning this and I have so many

745
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,640
different bells.
In this, I have the time to

746
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,040
reach out to everybody else.
Why can't you do that?

747
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,720
To me, I didn't reach out to
everybody.

748
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,120
Else you have your views.
I have mine, but I stand on

749
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,760
that.
If I'm part of the community and

750
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,240
I was there last year and I gave
my all, I should have been

751
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,080
reached out to and I stand on
that.

752
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,680
I don't care what everybody else
says or what the other thing is,

753
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,360
but that's what I stand on and
I'm going to stand on that.

754
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,520
OK.
Thank you very much.

755
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,600
You're welcome.
Can I, can I pop in here?

756
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,640
I think Paul, a lot of people
are not hearing Paula when she's

757
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,240
saying she doesn't like to
speak, not her calling.

758
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,120
And so it's not that Paula
doesn't know how to speak.

759
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,120
She captivates the room.
She's wonderful at it.

760
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:19,760
I feel like I I think Paula has
heard and learned how to say no,

761
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,480
like so many of us struggle
sometimes.

762
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,200
So I think Paula's excellent at
what she's does and she's just

763
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,760
finding her place.
And so she's in an E season.

764
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,160
I'm saying no.
So she's figuring out what can

765
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,400
she can next say yes to and I'm
super excited for her.

766
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,800
Thank you.
Because when you say somebody

767
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,160
doesn't know how to speak when
she's been on stages and she's

768
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,640
been invited on stages, it's
kind of a shitty comment to say,

769
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:50,440
but I'm going to let it slide
because that's the social media

770
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,680
manager who's saying it.
So we're going to.

771
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,240
Let you know that and that's not
And that's not what I meant.

772
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,720
That's not what I meant at all.
But I said that I don't.

773
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,240
I think you you found your way
of.

774
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaking.
I literally said I don't fucking

775
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,360
want to speak.
OK, that's fine.

776
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,320
I hear why Paula might feel
offended and I think Jonathan

777
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,120
did not mean to offend.
I think Jonathan meant to

778
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,160
encourage and made and it didn't
land the way.

779
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,000
Without forcing somebody to do
something, they.

780
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,080
Already.
Literally.

781
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,680
Say 2-3 times, 4 times, but
that's OK.

782
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,840
Now I'm going to be the angry
black girl in here, but I don't

783
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,120
mind.
You have every right to express

784
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,080
how you're feeling about any
part of the conversation so that

785
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,720
it's all good.
And again, I think that people

786
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:40,960
just care and want to see you
flourish in every area possible.

787
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,600
And so maybe maybe we should
have pulled back and that's why

788
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,200
I also said it a little while.
Ago on that.

789
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,880
If you want to see somebody
flourish and nourish and all

790
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,320
that, when they're telling you
exactly where they want to

791
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,720
flourish and nourish and you're
still inputting that, is that

792
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,920
really supporting?
Well, again, I also had called

793
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,600
out that if you say you don't
want to speak, then we should

794
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,800
have respect that.
I don't know what you want me to

795
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,880
say, Paula.
I was, I was supporting you.

796
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,280
OK.
And then there she goes.

797
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,400
OK, So I, I'm not sure what
happened here.

798
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,960
I think everybody was just
trying to be encouraging.

799
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,280
And I understand that it rubbed
Paula the wrong way that we were

800
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,480
still trying to encourage or
some of us were trying to

801
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,120
encourage her to be on the
stage.

802
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,320
And I think again, that was
really out of love and respect

803
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,280
and there was no offense meant
by it.

804
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,400
But I recognize and hear that it
was offensive to Paula.

805
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,120
So please forgive us for
anything that offended you this

806
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,360
morning.
My Wi-Fi was acting out.

807
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,840
Sorry.
OK, it wasn't a total FU and I'm

808
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,000
leaving and you left.
It was the Wi-Fi, no?

809
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,920
I'd rather do that in Pakistan.
Exactly.

810
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,600
Amanda, did you want a final
word?

811
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,200
If I may.
So I think this is a very

812
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,200
important conversation that a
lot of people, the entire

813
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,000
community can learn for that
just because somebody's given

814
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,640
opportunities that we would love
doesn't mean it's right for

815
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,080
them.
And I think that that's OK.

816
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,840
So I think it's, it's a matter
of, of truly listening to what

817
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,880
they're saying as opposed to it
being excuses as often sometimes

818
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,800
people give because they are
afraid to do something where

819
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,640
sometimes it's just I don't want
to do something, how can I find

820
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,840
the next best thing in lieu of
this?

821
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,160
And so I think this is a great
learning experience for the

822
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,320
entire community and that not
everything that somebody would

823
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,480
dream of doing is right for the
next person.

824
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,640
So I think that's that's just a
great way to maybe end the room.

825
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,080
I think you're right.
Thank you, Amanda.

826
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,120
I appreciate you tying it
together and calling it out for

827
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,760
what it is.
And Paula, I do hope there was

828
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,560
some stuff in there that was
helpful to you and recognizing

829
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,640
that some of it was not.
I took what was meant for me in

830
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:03,080
other aspects and I appreciate
everybody who spoke up and thank

831
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:08,160
you Dominique, because you have
actually seen me speak and be a

832
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,720
part of a panel and and have
given me your feedback.

833
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,440
So I'm glad you see that.
I am not scared of speaking as

834
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,160
some people think.
It's not about that.

835
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,960
It's just that I really don't
want to, and I'm choosing not to

836
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,880
want to.
And then there's a difference.

837
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,520
And as Amanda said, we should
learn to hear people instead of

838
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,080
just responding.
So thank you, everybody for

839
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,000
everything you shared.
I appreciate it.

840
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,600
Thank you, Paul, and I'm glad we
had this conversation.

841
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:43,880
Me too, and I'm glad to have you
back on the stage as well.

842
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,160
So with that, we are back
tomorrow.

843
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,800
And since we didn't get to the
whole guest conversation, we'll

844
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,440
do that tomorrow before we share
and celebrate our wins from the

845
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,000
week.
So come tomorrow with your

846
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,360
thoughts on what really makes a
guest great and how do we find

847
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,400
more of those kinds of guests.
So we'll talk about that

848
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,320
tomorrow along with our wins
from the week.

849
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,160
Please join us 7:00 AM Eastern
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850
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,400
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851
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,520
So until tomorrow, make it a
great day everybody take care.