342 - Podcast Guests Gone Wrong

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Tuesday, July 22nd,
2025, and today we're cracking

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open the mailbag to tackle one
of the toughest posting

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challenges.
What do you do when a podcast

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guest just won't stop rambling
and won't answer your questions?

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fellow podcaster.
And now give us about 30 seconds

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and we'll get things rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again podcasting,
morning chat welcome.

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I am your host Mark Ronick and
here on stage with me my Co

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hosts.
This is going to be a little

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weird.
We have Ashley Feller, Amanda

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Sharp, Dr. Faye, Nick Naul back
and Jonathan Howard.

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I say this is going to be weird
too and it's really for those

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who are live because we are in
fact streaming live from

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Clubhouse per usual.
We're streaming live from

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YouTube per usual, and for the
first time streaming live to

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Chatter.
Because not only am I streaming

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to Chatter, I'm also using Club
Deck which is a third party app.

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It's a desktop app for your
computer to manage Clubhouse and

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a lot of people on Clubhouse use
it, but it's not something that

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I've normally used.
I've had it and I've maybe

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played with it once or twice,
but it's completely new to me

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too so bear with me.
Yours truly is also an ADHD

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year, so when a lot of moving
parts are happening, you may

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hear me talking out loud.
I'll work on that.

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Speaking of working on stuff, I
think most of us here are pretty

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familiar with verbal crutches,
but just in case I'm curious if

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somebody on stage would be so
kind and explain what what is a

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verbal crutch?
Who would like to Dr. You want

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to take it?
Sure.

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Well, there was one right there.
Yeah, that's the number one

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verbal crutch.
That's the number one I did #1.

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Well, wait, that's a whole other
thing.

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That's that, that is a whole
other thing which I'm always

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very happy about.
So also I say I have found

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myself saying so so so a lot and
it bugs the crap out of me when

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I hear it back.
I usually cut all of those out.

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I had a client that would say
so, so many times that I had a

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little library of words that she
would say during podcasts like

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Anne because, well, anything
like that.

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I made a little library and if
she said so too many times, I

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would take one of those words
and replace it.

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That's cool with with what?
With those little library of

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words that I she had, she would
say it organically in in a

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conversation like these
different words.

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And I would say that's a good
one.

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I think I'm going to put that in
the library.

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So I would keep these little
library of bridge, I call them

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bridge words.
And yeah.

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And so it worked out really
well.

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Now I will say over the, I guess
we've been together for two

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years now, she has gotten a lot
better.

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I haven't had to go to that
library in several episodes now.

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So there, there I go.
So yeah, it's hard.

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You did it.
You did it just there.

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So.
Yeah.

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And another one.
And so and so is another one.

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I heard you do that.
And and by the way, I fully

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admit I have my own set of
crutch words and I want us to

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all share what we think our own
crutch words are.

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So Dr. what?
What's yours?

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Other than maybe the umm and the
so.

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And then we're going to get,
we're going to go to Ashley.

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Maybe it's not a word.
Maybe it is a sound I get?

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Like that little ticking sound
you like kick your mouth.

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Right.
I call them mouth noises.

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Yeah.
So there it goes again.

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Now you're going to make me
conscious.

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I know every single word.
I know that was the danger of

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this conversation.
I thought about it because we're

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going to make ourselves so
self-conscious here, but that's

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OK, That's all right.
I think that's part of the

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exercise because I do think
creating awareness around those

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crutch words is the first step
and it's very be helpful.

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I know from my experience of
editing years of myself,

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podcasting, it brings that
awareness to me.

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I, I learned what those crutch
words are and then I start to

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notice them when I'm using them
in real time, not just in

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recordings.
So when I'm in a discussion,

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even with my wife, I'll start to
notice those crutch words

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because of all of the editing
I've done of myself over the

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years.
So yeah, I do want to make you

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guys a little bit
self-conscious.

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I think that that'll help you in
the long run.

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OK, let me check in with Ashley.
Ashley, good morning to you.

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So what say you?
What are some of your crutch

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words?
Good morning.

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In my opinion, crutch words or
phrases are our go to phrases

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that we use when we're
processing because sometimes our

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brains can't catch up with our
mouths or vice versa.

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And I found that my crutch
words, I got one, I know I got

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it from my father.
And that is I'll give you a for

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instance, I find myself saying,
I'll give you a, for instance,

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so often.
And like you were saying a

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moment ago, when you edit your
own stuff, you really become

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aware of how often you lean on
those phrases.

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And of course, being a
Southerner, I, I probably say

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y'all more than your average
bear.

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So those are my 2:00.
And if you're trying to get

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around so many crutch words or
phrases, I think the answer is

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to slow down.
Yeah, I think that's a big one.

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And it's one that I struggle
with in the sense that I do slow

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down.
You hear me?

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Probably pausing a lot, even
sometimes in between words of a

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sentence.
And I'm doing that on purpose so

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that I don't use a lot of Umm's.
And and is one of my crutch

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words.
I sometimes replace umm with and

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and.
I hate saying it, but it's true.

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I hate saying it because I just
build not only my own awareness,

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but I'm building your awareness
around my own crutch word.

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But I know and is one that I use
a lot and that one has been the

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most challenging now for me to
tame because I think it works on

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occasion, but I think I say it
too much.

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I'm in the same boat.
With that, well.

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I think I will basically turn 1
podcast episode into an entire

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sentence.
Yeah, I've been guilty of that

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too, Nick.
So true.

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All right, I'm going to go to
Jonathan who's over on Chatter.

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Manning the Fort for me, by the
way, Manning the Fort, That's a

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little of an outdated term I
recognize, so please forgive me.

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He's watching over our chatter
room for us.

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So Jonathan, good morning again
to you.

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Thank you for all your help this
morning and getting up even

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earlier than you probably
normally do.

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I appreciate you and I
appreciate all of your help.

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So what's a crutch word that you
use often?

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So I use sew a lot, as a matter
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When you came in.
Yeah, when?

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You just came in with your
answer.

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Yeah, as a matter of fact, the
first time I did Riverside, it

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had over 100 instances of SEW
being removed from my my

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recording.
I was like, wow, I really lean

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on that one a lot.
The other one is yeah, I stumble

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on yeah a lot.
Yeah, this is.

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Yeah.
I just did it for you.

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You're making me do it now.
Exactly.

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Exactly.
OK, cool.

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All right.
Jonathan knows some of his

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crutches and one of the
crutches, I'm going to call it a

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crutch.
Jonathan that you do that I

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notice.
And by the way, let's all call

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each other out in a the most
friendly and loving way, OK?

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Like, I don't mind if you want
to call me out and let's just,

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let's just do it.
And I think actually this next

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what I'll call crutch phrase,
crutch term crutch word that I

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notice you doing.
Jonathan, that I actually think

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works fairly well because it
helps reset the question.

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But I, I tend to notice and I
don't think you do it on

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purpose.
I tend to notice that you will

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repeat question.
If I ask you a question, you'll

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repeat what I just said.
Do you recognize that?

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I do.
It gives me time to think.

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I actually do usually do it on
purpose.

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Yeah, I think that's awesome.
And again, this is just from

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knowing you all so well and
doing this every day of the week

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pretty much with the exception
of summertime, doing it four

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days a week.
But yeah, I think we just

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learned these things about one
another.

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Amanda, I saw you had your hand
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Did you want to jump in on this?
And are you going to share a

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crutch word that you use often?
So I worked really, I mean, I

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said so there, but I feel like I
worked very hard to eliminate

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that, those crutch words years
ago when I started doing videos

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and I would listen to myself
back and I would look and go,

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oh, I said maybe like too much
or so too much, you know?

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And I think there are certain
words that are just part of a

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conversation.
So every time we say like, it's

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not a filler word necessarily,
or so it's part of the sentence

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appropriately.
But I think, and when I look

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back, no, I know I consciously
worked on that so hard when I

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was starting out the video
because I would listen to myself

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back and I'd go, Oh my goodness,
I got to stop saying those

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things.
And I kind of did.

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I mean, I got to say, Amanda,
you're probably one of the few

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on stage and that I see in the
audience as well that I can't

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really pinpoint A crutch word.
So I think you do that pretty.

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I think you've done a good job
of getting rid of any of the

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crutch words you used to use.
And it's not from lack of

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trying, it just didn't naturally
happen.

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I mean, I definitely, I want to
say I worked on that.

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So I'm an example that anyone
can work on it and get better at

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it if you want to.
Some people are fine with the

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filler words and that's OK.
But I think the the ability to

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get rid of that habit is there
for everyone.

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So by working on it, maybe,
maybe you said it and I missed

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it.
And please forgive me if that's

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the case, but what what did you
do specifically to work on it?

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Was or was it just what I was
saying earlier, just an

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awareness that you were able to
manage it based on the

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awareness?
It probably became a hyper

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awareness of what I was saying,
but also I think I allowed

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myself to practice the pause or
delay a little more before

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speaking, which gave me a better
chance to start the sentence

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with a better word than the the
so let me think here type of

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thing.
I could go into an answer that

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didn't have those filler words
in it.

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That's cool.
So hopefully that's some advice

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that some somebody may be able
to take and run with for

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themselves.
Appreciate that, Amanda, anyone

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else want to share crutch words
while on stage?

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If you do flash that, if you're
on Clubhouse, flash that hot

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pepper since they took away the
hand waving from us.

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But if you're on chatter, you
can always raise your hand and

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come up on stage and you can
raise your hand on stage as

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well.
I'm looking at the chat.

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That was what I was doing.
Again, bells and whistles.

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Lots of them in multiple places.
So bear with this ADHD brain of

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mine.
I know Ashley pointed out Sid

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often says that's a good
question.

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And to me, I wonder and I wish
he was here, but he's enjoying

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some travel abroad.
I think that that is

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intentional.
I get the impression that he

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does that on purpose.
I feel like, and I can't recall

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for sure, but I think that is a
practice that some people do to

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kind of acknowledge the host and
their question, if that makes

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sense.
Just a way to validate It's

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similar to Jonathan's repeating
the question.

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Yeah, exactly similar idea.
Time to think.

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It's more of a strategy I would
say than a crutch.

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Yep, I would agree with that.
Anyone else share anything in

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here?
Dr. has been peppering.

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Dr. Well, she might have now
kitchen time, I know, but go

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ahead, Dr. Well, I'm walking to
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But I wanted to say when you

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talk to a teenager, a kid, they
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like, like, like every other
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At what age do we naturally

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outgrow that?
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I've never heard like AI don't
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Like like like like like like.
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In other words, I think those

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baby boomers, basically, I think
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wasn't a thing to use.
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valley girl thing.
I think I was saying like a lot

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when I was really like in high
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whole valley girl thing, 'cause
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it was born.
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And I know you have to go make
some eggs as well, so go for it.

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And I want to welcome Mike
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and Melissa who's on Chatter as
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Good morning to you all.
Thank you for being here on our

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inaugural morning over on
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Did anyone else want to share
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mailbag question?
I think everybody has their

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little, if you want to call them
ticks or repeating words that

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they use.
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had to have to work on it, and
most of the time we didn't

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realize we're saying it until we
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I think that's the biggest
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You normal speak, you're not
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There's some quote UN quote
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do and it flows well, like I
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that's when it really does this
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you have to pull out all those
likes and all those arms and you

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knows, because there's some of
the ones that I just love

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saying.
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before I started using the
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is when you're editing, I know
Ashley and I know Dr. can

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appreciate this because I'll use
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It looks like a certain shape on
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know exactly what it is.
You're talking about the when

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you're editing those waves.
Those waves.

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Just fell and it's just awful

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friend that you don't want to
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your keep them in.
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you edit and this comes back to
good editing, you actually have

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to listen to the the episode.
I mean, all the AI, maybe the AI

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is going to get so good that and
maybe it is good so good that

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it's going to know how things
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But you still have to listen to
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want to after you just did the
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Even if it's on two times the
speed or whatever it is, we

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still have to look at, we still
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because there are situations
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It just makes things flow and
plus you don't want to also take

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away the person's personality.
It's an interesting dance you

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have to do.
That said, like Amanda said, you

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know, a good pregnant pause is
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I'm trying to be intentional by
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And people are so worried about
Dead Space, and sometimes Dead

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Space isn't a bad thing.
Agreed.

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Jonathan, you had something.
And actually, before I go to

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you, I just want to say a big
thank you to Leah, who's on here

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on stage with us because she's
the one that really helped me

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make this happen here on
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She Jonathan, connected me with
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We talked and she sat down with
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thing set up.
So big shout out to you and good

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morning.
Let's let's hear the voice

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behind the person I'm giving
kudos to.

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Good morning to you.
Good morning to you.

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I'm so glad to see you here.
We've had some people pop in and

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out.
Very exciting, can't wait.

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You guys have like.
OK, I hate to say it right

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because I I haven't been to your
show before.

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This is all very professional.
Look at you, I love it so much.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

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Well, and the little very quick
back story is, is that I am a

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long time talk radio, especially
morning talk radio fan, love

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those morning shows.
I mean some of them can be a

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little over the top, but the
ones that I find that I enjoy, I

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really love a good morning show
on the radio in the morning.

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And so there is certainly a lot
of that kind of influence that

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goes into what we do here on the
podcasting morning chat.

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So I appreciate the the
recognition, the validation that

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it's, it appears that we're
professional.

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I'm not sure if.
I'm really more than appears

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more than appears, and I can.
Your voice is very good for rate

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like you absolutely are.
Are are playing the part and it

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looks very.
Believable.

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Thank you, I appreciate that and
that always makes me laugh

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because I of course, and I'm
sure this is relatable to many

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people.
I really I can't say that I

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don't like the sound of my
voice.

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I just don't believe I tell
myself it's not a voice for

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radio.
I tell myself I don't have a

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good quote UN quote radio voice,
yet people constantly say Mark

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you, you play the part well, you
have the voice.

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So who knows?
I think that's honestly from.

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From years of working with radio
professionals who have these

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deep booming voices and also who
probably had used to razz me a

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little bit about not having that
kind of voice.

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Although as I've shared with
some of you before, one of my

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radio mentors, his radio name is
Buzz Burbank.

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His real name is Michael Elston.
He always had told me not to

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listen to that noise and instead
just recognize it's not the

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sound of your voice, it's how
you use it.

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And I know that there's a sexual
term that goes similar to that,

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but it is true.
It's really more about how you

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use it.
It is not necessarily about the

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sound, the tone, etcetera.
And we can all improve that as

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well.
And maybe that's a whole

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conversation.
I really got to get a voice

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coach again to come in.
We had one a while back and it

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would be cool to have another
one to come in and talk about

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that specifically.
OK, so sorry to cut somebody

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off.
Who was it was Jonathan.

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Let's go, go to Jonathan.
It was me, yeah.

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No, I was just going to say that
even last week Sid recognized me

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for my pregnant pauses and
pacing of my episode for my

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first episode of my SO.
Yes, there is a place for it,

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and sometimes somebody will
recognize you for it. 100%

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Before we dig into the mailbag,
I want to stop and say hello to

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Hillary who is on stage on
Chatter.

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Good morning Hillary, would you
like to add to the conversation

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or if you have any podcasting
related questions, you're more

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than welcome to ask them while
you got the floor.

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So go for it.
Good morning.

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I'm going to hold off on that
and I do have a lot of

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questions, but I don't want to
disrupt until you guys have gone

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through, you know, everything
you had planned.

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You mentioned voice coach, which
is why I was like my ears perked

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up.
I'm a casting director over to

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be and I do voice acting.
So if you if you really are

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serious about needing somebody,
I've got a couple of really

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amazing people I could suggest
to you that have really launched

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my career and in voice acting.
So yeah. 100%, Hillary, I would

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love to have a conversation with
you and maybe you yourself if

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you're interested, you might be
that person.

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And if you have others that you
think are even more qualified,

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by all means.
Yeah, let's talk about it.

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I would love to do that.
And here on the podcasting

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morning chat, anybody is allowed
to interrupt the conversation if

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they have a podcasting question.
So at any point, you are more

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than welcome to chime in.
So if you have one pressing

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right now, you can go for it.
Otherwise, I'll keep things

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moving and dig into our mailbag.
You really want to know what mic

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you're using right there,
because that thing is gorgeous.

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Thank you.
This is the Shure SM7B, and it

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is really, especially in radio.
It's the industry standard.

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It is not cheap, but it is
certainly not the most expensive

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microphone out there.
There are microphones you can

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get for thousands of dollars,
but this, this is a $400.00

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microphone and it has lasted me
probably about a decade.

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Hillary.
That's like the worst question

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because he could go on for four
hours about micro.

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It's a very good question.
It's just that, Oh my God, we'll

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be here all day about wonderful.
Without crutch words, he won't

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even have to use crutch words.
That's.

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Right.
No, he won't.

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He'll just keep going.
That's right.

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He is like a total.
He's never seen a mic that he

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didn't want to buy.
That's pretty much the truth.

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Well, that's not true.
There are some mics I see and

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I'm like, no way, no thank you.
But I am a bit of a junkie.

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I love microphones and I know
I'm not even the kind of junkie

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that knows all the insurance and
outs and how they're made and

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all that.
It's just I love a good looking

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mic that sounds really good.
And that's the sure SM 7B for

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sure.
And there are some newer models

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than this one out now since I
got it about a decade ago.

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But yes, I highly recommend it
if you're very serious about

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your audio quality.
It's definitely, in my opinion,

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one of the best.
OK, so verbal crutches.

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We'll put that to bed for now.
And let's talk a little bit

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about this question.
It's from Chris Baker, and Chris

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Baker posted this in our
Facebook group.

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He said that every once in
awhile I have the podcast guest

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from Hell.
I always have guests.

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Most of them are great and I
feel like I made a new friend.

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The guest from hell always does
the same thing.

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I ask the guest a question.
Generally it's good to have

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guests who want to talk.
However, these guests hardly

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answer the question.
Then they ramble onto random

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tangents for 8 or 10 minutes.
Is that really true?

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8 to 10 minutes of non-stop
talking from a guest.

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I bought a guest I brought.
Sorry.

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I brought a guest on and figured
we might go for two or three

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hours.
By the end of 1/2 hour, the show

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had become a type of torture.
I figured, quote, if I hate

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doing this show, my audience
will hate it too.

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I figured out a way to get out
of the show gracefully.

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What do you do with rambling
guests?

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Should I just interrupt them?
What is a good way to take

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control of the room?
I haven't decided if I'll post

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this show or not.
So.

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So.
Oh, man, See that?

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That's the danger of doing a
crutch show.

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All right.
Anyway, what say you?

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What do?
What do we do?

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Has anybody here on stage had
that guest that just

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disappointed you?
You brought them on, You thought

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it was going to be a great
interview, and they're either

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talking too much, they're not
answering the questions, their

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answers are subpar.
What do you do?

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Hey Mark, does this rag smell
like chloroform to you?

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Thank you, Hillary.
That's one way.

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That's definitely one way to do
it.

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Not one I recommend, but that's
certainly one way you could do

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it.
Who else?

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Who else has got some thoughts
on this matter?

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So I will share what I shared
this morning because I couldn't

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behave not answer the question
this morning.

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So usually what I do is
interrupt with their name.

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So if Mark was talking and when
I would mark, mark and get their

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attention, then I edify their
point.

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Whatever they said, find
something good about it.

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So you edify their point, you
make them feel good about

451
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,240
themselves, then you pivot and
keep control of the

452
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,040
conversation.
So wherever you want to go next,

453
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,800
pivot and then don't give it
directly back to them because if

454
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,040
you give it directly back to
them, they're going to continue

455
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,400
with their ramble.
So kind of have something to

456
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,880
talk about, you know, pivot to
whatever the topic is, ask a

457
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,960
different question, connect it
differently, and then try to

458
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,080
give it back to them.
OK, I like that.

459
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,080
Yeah, I think that part of this
is about it's the fact that it's

460
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,440
your show, and if it's not going
well, it doesn't.

461
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,120
And meaning the guest is not
doing what they're supposed to

462
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:09,080
be doing, it is your
responsibility and your right to

463
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,040
get it back on track.
And I think that, yeah, going to

464
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,440
them and stopping them, I like
the cue of saying their name and

465
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,960
interrupt to interrupt them.
I think that that's very a

466
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,840
valuable tip.
And sometimes, especially if

467
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,880
you're doing this via video,
sometimes just holding up a

468
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,200
finger and gesturing with your
eyes, right?

469
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,560
And sometimes also just making
it look like you're going to say

470
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,800
something or that you want to
interject, you know, sometimes

471
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,160
that's just a lean in.
But I think those kinds of cues

472
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,800
I think are really helpful.
Hillary.

473
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,120
Which finger should you hold up?
Yeah, it depends.

474
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,320
It depends on what they've
actually said.

475
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,800
So Jonathan has said take
control early, interrupt them,

476
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,160
maybe use their name to first do
that and then just say something

477
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,320
like, I appreciate what you're
saying or that's a good point.

478
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,800
Maybe if it's not a good point,
maybe you don't want to

479
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,560
encourage it and say that.
So maybe you just say, you know,

480
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,880
thanks for what you're sharing.
I want to come.

481
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,080
I want to come back to my
original question, right?

482
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,160
So now what you're doing is
you're queuing them.

483
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,440
You're saying, OK, thanks for
that insight.

484
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,400
But now let's get back to the
question that I wanted you to

485
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,600
actually answer.
I think that helps a great deal.

486
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,520
And Hillary, do you still have?
Did you have something else you

487
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,320
wanted to add?
One of the things that you try

488
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,160
to I try to keep in mind when
I'm, I used to do just bands,

489
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,360
local bands and whatnot.
We interviews and sometimes they

490
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,840
spiral and they need to be
interrupted because they don't

491
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,120
know we OK in radio, you are
trained not to ever have dead

492
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,080
air.
And so if you look a little

493
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,640
disinterested or they think it's
not time to stop talking,

494
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,440
they'll keep going.
They need you to stop.

495
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,800
They want you to say something
because they're spiraling and

496
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,200
jumping in there and saying
something, anything along the

497
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,840
lines of oh man, no, I get that.
I've been right there.

498
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,680
I understand completely what
you're saying, but help me out

499
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,440
here.
OK, So when the question when he

500
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,040
asked this blah blah blah.
So as far as that's concerned,

501
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,760
like how would you get into this
situation or what did you do

502
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,360
when this happened?
You know?

503
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,960
And so I acknowledge what they
just said.

504
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,560
I usually try to relate to it in
some way and then quickly bring

505
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,480
it back to the question and put
it back on track.

506
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,960
Because usually they just do not
know what they're saying or when

507
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,040
to stop and they're scared to
stop because they feel they

508
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,240
haven't gotten to their point
yet or they haven't answered the

509
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,360
question.
So you bring them back to the

510
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,800
question and they're able to
answer it.

511
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Absolutely, 100% I am with you.
Like you did just right there.

512
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,080
Exactly.
Go for it, Ashley.

513
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,920
I wanted to say I agree with
Jonathan's technique, but to

514
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,920
also possibly add with that
after you find a way to

515
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,080
interject, whether that's making
a gesture, snapping your

516
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,160
fingers, maybe giving some kind
of a look, maybe give them a

517
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,280
question that catches them off
guard to kind of slow them down

518
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,800
a little bit.
And then like you said, make a

519
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,760
couple points about that and
redirect them back to the

520
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,160
original question.
And I also wanted to say to

521
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,400
like, I'm so sorry, I can't
remember the name from the other

522
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,080
room, but I've had Hillary.
Thank you.

523
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,160
I've had that exact situation
happen.

524
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,840
I've interviewed hundreds of
local bands and musicians and

525
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,920
one day I was interviewing some
folks who were Vietnam era

526
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,600
musicians and they were telling
their story, but they went off

527
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,000
on these long tangents.
Turns out this guy was like a 30

528
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,400
year radio DJ and he told me
later, you know, I wanted you to

529
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,320
interrupt me.
I wouldn't have thought it was

530
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,480
anything rude.
So those things definitely

531
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,400
happen.
Yep, they sure do.

532
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,840
And let's see.
All right, I want to and see I

533
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,360
did.
And by the way, OK.

534
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,880
And Renee also had a point.
Thank you, Renee.

535
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,840
Good morning to you.
I know I invited you on the

536
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,200
stage earlier because you had
made a good point about the the

537
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,520
filler words and you were
talking about how nervous

538
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,480
laughter can often be disguised
as a filler word.

539
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,640
And I agree with you.
But what did you have to add to

540
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,800
this part of the conversation?
Yeah, I'm coming here as a

541
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,880
student and still really
learning and I was putting

542
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,480
myself in the position of
interviewing someone just as

543
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:20,080
this question came in AT and if
they are just going off in a

544
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,160
major ramble, everything you
guys said sounds really good to

545
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,560
bring them in like start to you
know cough or you know, like or

546
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,520
try try and say something and
they can see you leaning in if

547
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,400
it's a live video.
I get all of that.

548
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,200
However, since it's not live and
it's going to be edited, could

549
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,280
you not just do a hard stop and
just say, hey, I want to take a

550
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,920
breather here for a minute and I
love everything you're sharing.

551
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,760
I think what we need to do for
my audience, I know what how my

552
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,920
audience to get the best results
for this for you is my audience

553
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:01,160
listens better and sound bites.
And so if we could talk slow or

554
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,320
whatever and give some coaching
and maybe they'll receive it,

555
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,480
well, maybe that's a totally
dumb idea.

556
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,160
But to me, I'm thinking if it
this question that came in is

557
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,240
like, I'm going to ditch this
whole episode.

558
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,280
If we empower the host to know
that you can just do a hard

559
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,000
stop.
Like if it's just a train wreck

560
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,600
and you don't even think you're
going to like the guy that the

561
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,800
writer in wanted out of it.
So why can't we just do a hard

562
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,160
stop while we are recording and
reset the room, Take a few

563
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,320
minute break, come back and say,
OK, here's what I'm realizing is

564
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,760
going on.
But you don't want to bust their

565
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,720
bubble or bust their ambience.
Also, you could change the whole

566
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,560
tone of the podcast, I'm
guessing.

567
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,480
And the voice cadence or voice
energy is going to be totally

568
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880
different now.
So now your podcast is going to

569
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,040
be off balance maybe.
So I don't know those are.

570
00:32:54,040 --> 00:33:01,200
My ideas absolutely 100%
something you can do and it I

571
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,200
think it's a great suggestion
of.

572
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,000
Course remember, can I say.
Yeah.

573
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,200
And let me just respond first.
But yes, of course, Dr. and I

574
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,280
think what we're talking about
here is, yeah, I it may feel

575
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,560
awkward as the host to stop it.
And yes, 100%, a hundred

576
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,320
percent, 100% hard stop.
Hold on, let me take a break

577
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,120
here, right?
That's what I would probably how

578
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,920
I would start.
Let's let's pause real quick.

579
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,360
And I think the, the key factor
that you would want to add to

580
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,720
this, Renee, is once you do that
stop, you follow it up with, I

581
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,560
really want to make you sound
good.

582
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,040
I really want to help you
connect with the audience or

583
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,240
with my audience.
I feel like the questions that

584
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,320
you're answering aren't quite
going to land with my audience,

585
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,040
so let's regroup and then share
some of your constructive

586
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,720
criticism in that moment.
But I think tying it back to I

587
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:08,719
want you to come off as my best
guest and don't say this part

588
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,239
not my worst.
It goes a long way.

589
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,840
It shows them that you are in it
with them and that you want them

590
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,199
to shine and that often times
will get you better answers

591
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,280
moving forward because now they
are again going back to what we

592
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,400
started with today.
They have that awareness now.

593
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,920
And a step further is I think
that this is where we ask.

594
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,800
We have this conversation even
before the interview starts.

595
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:41,159
That's one of many reasons why
I'm in the camp of have a pre

596
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:43,760
call.
I know that there are podcasters

597
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,600
out there that say, Nope, don't
not going to do it.

598
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,199
I refuse to have that pre call
because I want to have the most

599
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,159
natural and organic conversation
as possible.

600
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,520
And I think that that honestly,
my opinion is, is you're doing

601
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,720
your show and your audience A
disservice.

602
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:02,400
You can still have a pre
interview without.

603
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,880
I was going to use a little more
of a risque word with without

604
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,160
blowing your, you know.
Without shooting your watch.

605
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,880
Yes, there you go.
Thank you, Dr. said it for me.

606
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,800
I've had this feeling, Dr. that
that was something you were

607
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,800
going to end up wanting to chime
in with.

608
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,240
Am I wrong?
The exact same thing that Renee

609
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:27,240
said number one, this question
was kind of written as though

610
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,080
it's being live.
I mean, you can stop at any

611
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,760
time.
This is editing.

612
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,120
This is all pre taped or however
you want to, you know, pre

613
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:42,600
record it so you can stop at any
time and set reset the mood,

614
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,920
reset the room and also exactly
what you said about.

615
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,360
I am a big proponent of the pre
interview.

616
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,440
Huge proponent just to make sure
the both of you are on the same

617
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,920
page.
I'm also a big proponent of

618
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:03,480
letting them know not the exact
questions, but the area of where

619
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,840
the questions were will fall.
I've said this many times.

620
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,400
How many times have you been
asked a couple of questions on

621
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,440
on the fly and then an hour
later you go, oh damn, I wish I

622
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,120
why didn't I remember to say
blah, blah, blah.

623
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,800
You know what I mean?
Yeah.

624
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:24,440
So I'm, I'm a huge proponent in
letting them know the area of

625
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,600
the questions where they'll be
because I want my audience to

626
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:34,600
have the best value possible.
And if you're thinking about, oh

627
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,720
man, that would have been good
value on your way home instead

628
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,800
of in the interview, then that's
not serving my audience.

629
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,320
Let's see, I think Alex I saw
came off mic.

630
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,720
Is that right, Alex?
Yeah, this comes back to

631
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:49,320
something bigger than the
rambling guest.

632
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,120
You have to be you have to know
how to be a good guest.

633
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,120
And I know that sounds like a
silly thing, but being a

634
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,320
podcast, everybody wants to be a
podcast guest, right?

635
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,320
Oh, I just want a podcast guest
like, well, that, that also

636
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:09,080
means that you have to
understand what the person like

637
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,320
when you know, for a lot of you,
you might have that hour or

638
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,800
whatever that they're rambling
on.

639
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,480
In some cases, when I, when I'm
doing celebrity interviews, I

640
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,920
have 7 minutes.
That's it.

641
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,960
And they got to get in
everything they want.

642
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,040
And trying to tell an actor to
that you only have 7 minutes to

643
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,920
answer some question is, is like
trying to, you know, Congress

644
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,720
actually takes a shorter time
because it, they're like in

645
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:40,280
their head.
So you have to keep it on your

646
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,400
feet.
But at the same time, that's

647
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,360
great.
You can always, as we like to

648
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,560
say on Clubhouse or on Chatter,
reset the room.

649
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,440
I use the filler word that I use
a lot, which is that being said.

650
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,440
And then will will try to get it
back on track.

651
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,640
I think it also has to do with
the confidence of the host.

652
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,440
And I say this, you're the
alpha.

653
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,360
It's your show.
I know they're a guest and you

654
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,520
don't want to upset them in any
way.

655
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,400
And you know, you're trying to
find that opening and you want

656
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,720
to find that appropriate
opening.

657
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,440
Of course, you don't want to cut
somebody off.

658
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:21,480
But at the same time, you know,
whether it's a pre interview or

659
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,320
a or a written e-mail that talks
about rules, you know, there's a

660
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,160
way to massage it that they can
say, listen, I mean, because you

661
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,600
need to get your sound bite at
the end of the day.

662
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,200
That's what this is about.
And I know that's not maybe what

663
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,440
people want to talk about, but
it's about the sound bites.

664
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,040
And since I've been doing some
podcasting for a while, that's

665
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,760
where I've kind of thought about
it.

666
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,160
When you're talking about
content creation, you got to

667
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,640
give me those 30 seconds sound
bites so I can I can do

668
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,680
something with it.
Because people want to hear

669
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,760
that.
And I think when the when the

670
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,440
guest understands how to be a
good guest, a lot of that stuff

671
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,960
will eliminate itself.
But you still have to train your

672
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,920
guests, if that makes sense.
Yeah, it does make sense.

673
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,960
And again, it goes like I said,
goes back to the pre interview

674
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:12,800
and I like what Dave David White
in the chat said David, by the

675
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,640
way, a team member at Ironic
Media, David said don't think of

676
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,920
these as pre interviews when you
sit down with them before the

677
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,880
show.
Think of it as more like a tech

678
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,920
rehearsal.
And I agree, you don't have to

679
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,840
ask all your questions in the
pre interview.

680
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,920
In fact, I would say only dance
around some of those questions.

681
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,720
Just talk about here are the
areas I'd like us to go and then

682
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,480
talk to them about where what
areas do they want to go?

683
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,280
And it yes, it gets a little
tricky because they if they

684
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,280
start sharing areas of
discussion that they're

685
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,640
interested in.
A lot of times a guest is then

686
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,520
gets really excited about
talking about it and they may

687
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,200
start talking a lot about it in
the pre interview.

688
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,040
And again, as the confident
host, you have to be able to

689
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,760
stop them and say hey let's save
this for the show because this

690
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,840
is good stuff and I want to hear
it for the first time on the

691
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,000
show.
They'll respect that.

692
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,360
There's nothing rude about that
in my opinion.

693
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,800
Janae is on stage with us and so
is Yvonne.

694
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,320
And Sharon, wow, we got lots of
people on here.

695
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,920
All right, I'm going to go in
order that I see them here on my

696
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,240
club deck.
It may appear a different order

697
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,640
over there on Clubhouse, the
direct directly using the app, I

698
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,240
don't know.
So with that, I'm going to go to

699
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,440
Sharon first.
Sharon, good morning.

700
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,000
What did you want to add to the
conversation?

701
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,640
Hello, good morning.
Good morning.

702
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,200
Two things I did have that guest
from you know, where you talked

703
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:42,560
about great content.
This guest had, however, went on

704
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,600
and on and on and on, 8 to 10
minutes.

705
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,760
I'm not kidding you.
And it was extremely difficult

706
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,720
to get a word and never add the
show.

707
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,800
This is the irony about that,
though.

708
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:58,120
I heard the guest interview
people on his or her show.

709
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,840
I don't want to say the gender
and this because, because,

710
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,680
because and never did that,
never did that.

711
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,440
It was an even it appeared to be
an even exchange of respect.

712
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,840
So what do you think about when
that happens?

713
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,000
Do you find that it's a lack of
respect to the host and that

714
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,640
this guest indeed knows what he
or she is doing?

715
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,520
And because it's a particular
show maybe, or particular

716
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,840
person, I'd like to give them
the benefit of the benefit of

717
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,000
the doubt.
I don't think it's intentional.

718
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,000
I think that it could be in some
cases inexperience, right?

719
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,280
Like if this person doesn't
generally guessed a lot, or

720
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,040
maybe they do guessed a lot, but
nobody has had the guts to have

721
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,360
a constructive conversation with
them, right?

722
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,760
Of course, there are probably
instances where the guest is

723
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,120
intentionally doing going on and
on and on and they're maybe

724
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,280
trying to push something, right?
They're trying to sell something

725
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,360
or there's a lot of other
reasons why that could happen.

726
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:05,120
And again, it goes back to it's
up to you to figure out a way to

727
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,520
stop them.
I can't imagine, and this is no

728
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,440
knock on you, Sharon.
I personally just can't imagine

729
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,240
sitting there for 8 to 10
minutes straight without

730
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,040
interrupting.
And if you're, and I'm not

731
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,080
saying this to just Sharon, this
is to anybody.

732
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,360
If you're having trouble
stopping them, like if you're

733
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,920
trying to interrupt them and
they're just steam rolling over

734
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,600
you.
And a lot of cases as the host

735
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,560
with all this different software
that we use, you can just mute

736
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,400
them, put them on mute.
I can do that on Riverside.

737
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,080
I know I can mute my guests.
I know I can do that here on

738
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,000
Chatter.
I know I can do that on

739
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,880
Clubhouse as well.
Just mute them and then stop and

740
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,040
just say, hey, hey, I had to
mute your mic real quick, 'cause

741
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,000
I just want to, I want to reset
or whatever your reason is.

742
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Say it at that point.
OK, let me keep going 'cause I

743
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,280
know we're getting close to the
top of the hour here.

744
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,280
Yvonne, good morning to you.
What did you want to add to the

745
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,840
conversation?
A lot of times I'll just jump in

746
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,520
and say, hey, I'm sorry to
interrupt, but I'm thinking

747
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,960
about this from my audience's
point of view.

748
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,000
And I know that right now they
might be thinking or they might

749
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,840
be asking, or you know, or I'll
say, wait a minute, you just

750
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,920
said something that was so
interesting in my head is

751
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,960
popping off my body, and I have
a question for you about that.

752
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,680
I will jump in and interrupt but
it's something that I've learned

753
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:34,800
how to do over time and I do do
the pre interviews with people

754
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:42,040
and Even so have had interviews
go South not because the person

755
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,600
was going on and on and on but
for for different reasons.

756
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,680
And with one person in
particular she did it was just

757
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,520
inexperienced on her part and I
felt like it was pulling teeth

758
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:01,120
to get good answers from her.
And I also realized oh she

759
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,600
doesn't.
She hasn't processed her journey

760
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,040
yet and I didn't know what to do
after the fact.

761
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:13,480
I'm I'm not proud of this, but I
ghosted her and I never posted

762
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:19,320
the interview and she did follow
up with me later and we ended up

763
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,760
I told her the sound went bad
and we ended up re recording

764
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,120
like over a year later and it
was a much better interview

765
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,720
because she knew herself.
And I ended up having an episode

766
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,080
that I was really proud of with
that.

767
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,680
God, there was one other thing I
wanted to say about this, but I

768
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,240
think it just it left my head.
Well, thank you, Yvonne.

769
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,760
I appreciate it and I appreciate
you saying that.

770
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,840
You know, it took you a while to
get there, to be able to have

771
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,280
those conversations.
And do you think that was just

772
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,160
practice or was there more to it
than that?

773
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,160
What do you mean?
Do I think it was just practice?

774
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,280
Just as far as, like you know,
you said it was, it was

775
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,120
something that you had to build
over time, something that, you

776
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,680
know, you really needed the
confidence for or you didn't

777
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,640
actually say the confidence
part, but you said it took you a

778
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,160
couple years to get there, to be
able to have those conversations

779
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,400
with the guest or to interrupt
them, etcetera.

780
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,400
Was that just a good thing?
Yeah, I think it's building up

781
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,120
muscles.
The other thing too is sometimes

782
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,040
I'll get somebody on and we're
in tricky territory, or I know

783
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,240
that they're not somebody who
does interviews a lot and

784
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,600
they'll be rambling and, and I
let them because they are going

785
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,560
through a process.
They're literally processing

786
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,160
their story in the moment.
And I always know that I have

787
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,680
the editing power to go back in
and clean that up.

788
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,960
It's and I'll know, oh boy, this
is going to be a doozy of an

789
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,920
edit, but it's worth it to me
because I feel like the story is

790
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,960
really strong.
Yeah, thank you, Yvonne.

791
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,680
Appreciate that.
And I'm going to keep it moving.

792
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,520
Let's see.
I know Alex wants to chime in.

793
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,520
I'll come to you, Alex, after we
hear from Janae this morning.

794
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,440
Good morning, Janae.
What did you want to add to all

795
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,880
this?
What I wanted to add is when

796
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,280
Ashley reshared the question, I
had this experience.

797
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,640
Of course we all had experience
right, of not even getting a

798
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,160
word in for like 40 minutes.
Then I had to, I was like what

799
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,160
is going on?
And it was interesting.

800
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Is this podcaster was a very
experienced podcaster.

801
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,640
I'm like, OK, they've done lots
of episodes.

802
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,800
They've they've got multiple
shows, but then what's going on?

803
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,920
And then I had to like cut them
off at the end, like, hey, the

804
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,040
time's up.
It's like, but I didn't get to

805
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:41,960
get my third hack and like, Oh
my God, do I publish it?

806
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,080
But I loved what you share.
You know, you just mute them

807
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,720
like, of course.
So I do love a pre interview

808
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,880
because we get to know the
person a little better.

809
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,360
And then when you do come in and
record the actual episode, you

810
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,360
have a little rapport.
And I like what David also said

811
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,160
you need to do as a tech tech
because I do guide with the tech

812
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,360
stuff as they come on to be
guest on because I tell them

813
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:13,080
that Kate, this is a this is
going to be a very an Evergreen

814
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,600
content.
You know, you want to make sure

815
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,720
that it looks good.
So I do love those pre

816
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,240
interviews.
They're really awesome.

817
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Thank you, Janae.
I I still I'm just pulling away

818
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,720
that you had a guest speak for
40 minutes straight.

819
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:27,480
I know it's kind of sad.
Maybe 30 minutes.

820
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,040
I might I might be exaggerating.
And I'm glad that you heard this

821
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,960
conversation and are part of it
because I know you and we should

822
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,680
give you a big pat on the back
and a congratulations because I

823
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,440
know you just finished episode
recording episode 800.

824
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,240
So you know a few things about
guest interviews.

825
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,960
Just a little bit.
Yeah, yeah.

826
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,760
So congratulations on 800
recordings for your podcast,

827
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:51,880
that is.
Thank you so much.

828
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,200
Very impressive.
OK, so Alex, let me give you one

829
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,080
of the final words and then I'll
give mine.

830
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,640
Go for it.
We talked about guests that go

831
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,560
too long and there is a place
for cutting people off with the

832
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,840
exception of what Janae had to
deal with.

833
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,560
But sometimes you need to guess
it to to what Yvonne said.

834
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,120
That's where some of the good
stuff can come from.

835
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,560
I hope people don't take away
the fact that, you know, you

836
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,760
don't want them to be too quick,
but you also want them to get

837
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,960
their thoughts out.
And one of the things that we

838
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,360
like to say on this in this
group is don't press stop right

839
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,400
away.
And that's where a lot of the

840
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,720
good stuff happens, right after
you press stop, whether it's

841
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:37,520
stop recording or whatever else.
And I think that some of the

842
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,840
best stories come from those
little tangents.

843
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,360
Obviously, being an experienced
podcaster or not experienced

844
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,840
podcaster, you have to kind of
figure it out.

845
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,240
But as long as everybody's on
the same page and you let it

846
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:57,440
roll, you could do.
And I, I mean, I've done a 2

847
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:04,360
hour podcast and it, it, it's
just as juicy as that one hour

848
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,760
podcast.
And it's just about the story

849
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,240
and try to bring it out.
And you as the guests have to

850
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,880
bring something to the table.
Yes, you have guests that go off

851
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,560
the rails, but you also have to
be able to know how to control

852
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,480
the situation and put that
person and yourself in positions

853
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,640
to be successful.
So there's all the IT goes both

854
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,960
ways.
Thank you, Alex.

855
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,360
I appreciate that.
And yeah, let me wrap up with my

856
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,760
thoughts.
What we've gathered today and

857
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,240
how do we handle that guest that
rambles on and on, that derails

858
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,120
the conversation.
So we've talked about take

859
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,600
control early with kindness,
right?

860
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,880
It's OK to interrupt, but do it
with some tact.

861
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,720
And then also use those verbal
and non verbal cues.

862
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:55,520
Hold up a finger, lean in,
interrupt, or if you have to

863
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,280
mute them to set the
expectations up front.

864
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,560
It kind of that in itself will
eliminate the first two things

865
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,360
because you can go over all of
that with them before you do the

866
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,840
interview.
And that would help them a lot

867
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,080
and help you a lot in the long
run, as well as your audience.

868
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,280
And prep some, this is something
we didn't say that I wrote down.

869
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,960
Prep some rescue questions or
phrases.

870
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,320
And actually, I guess I did
mention that a little bit

871
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,560
earlier, but things like, let's
circle back to my original

872
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,000
question or the core idea that
blank, right?

873
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,600
Or for listeners who, if you're
doing it live like I do for

874
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,320
listeners, just tuning in, let
me refocus us for a second,

875
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,120
right?
Find some ways to work in that

876
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,200
regroup that circling back and
the one thing we didn't say a

877
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,000
lot of yet, or maybe we didn't
really get into it too much is

878
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:54,800
when in doubt, edit.
And if it has to be ruthlessly.

879
00:50:55,240 --> 00:51:00,360
I know that sucks, but you might
be able to get something out of

880
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,600
the conversation that just
requires some some heavy

881
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,520
editing.
So I, I hate to hear when

882
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:11,200
somebody is saying, Oh, I can't
use the episode now because the

883
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,800
interview, you know, they, the
guest was terrible.

884
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,640
It's it, it pains me because I
think I feel that pain.

885
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,480
And you may be able to salvage
it.

886
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,640
I guess the question is, is it
worth salvaging?

887
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,200
And that's something you have to
sit and ask yourself.

888
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,480
I would encourage you go back
and listen to double time the

889
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,400
speed and go back and listen and
see, is there something I can

890
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,160
make out of this?
I had an instance once, I'll end

891
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,240
with this, where I had a guest,
not on this show, but I had a

892
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:41,720
guest that went on and on and on
and on.

893
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,120
And what I did was I found one
or two key things that they

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said.
I isolated those key things.

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I played one clip and then I
talked about it.

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I had this, I sat down with this
person, we talked about X.

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Here's what they had to say.
I play the clip and then I talk

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about it and I add my $0.02 into
it and then I go on.

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They also talked about this.
I play the clip and then I go

900
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and talk about it and maybe it's
a shorter episode and that's OK.

901
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And if anything, you're creating
some variety.

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You're changing things up a
little bit for your audience if

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you're normally just doing the
the regular back and forth

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interview.
And I think that that can be

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appreciated as a once in a while
thing.

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So you maybe want to just get
creative with it and try to make

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it work, but that's up to you
because ultimately it's up to

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when the time that your time.
OK, so we are back tomorrow at

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7:00 AM Eastern Time, live on
Clubhouse, live on Chatter, live

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on YouTube as well.
I think that for a very first

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time doing this simulcast and
very first time being on

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Chatter, I think we did a fine
job, folks.

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Thank you to Jonathan and Leah
for helping out with the room,

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thanks for Hillary, thanks to
Hillary for joining us, and

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thanks to those of you who
joined us live on all of the

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different platforms.
I appreciate you.

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And as I said, we're back
tomorrow, 7:00 AM Eastern, as we

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are every Tuesday through Friday
here on Clubhouse and now

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Chatter.
So until tomorrow, make it a

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great day everybody Take care.