Jan. 16, 2023
172: The Murder of Ryan Poston

On Friday, October 12th, 2012, Shayna Hubers called 911. She explained to the emergency operator that she killed her boyfriend, Ryan Poston, in self-defense. When the police investigated the crime scene, they quickly realized that Shayna’s version of...
On Friday, October 12th, 2012, Shayna Hubers called 911. She explained to the emergency operator that she killed her boyfriend, Ryan Poston, in self-defense. When the police investigated the crime scene, they quickly realized that Shayna’s version of events didn’t align with reality.
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Southern Fried True crime covers cases that
are not suitable for young listeners, and
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there may also be some explicit language
used. Listener discretion is advised. On
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Friday, October twelfth, twenty twelve, pageant Queen Audrey Bolt, also known
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as Miss Ohio, was having a
hell of a day. She had started
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chatting with a new guys she had
met on Facebook. His name was Ryan
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Poston, and he seemed promising.
He was a lawyer, a handsome lawyer.
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He was starting a law firm,
had his own place, and was
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super smart. Sure, Ryan may
have been thirty years old to Audrey's twenty
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three, but it could be nice
to date an older, established man,
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someone who knows what they're looking for
in life. Plus, Ryan was funny.
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They had started chatting with each other
after Ryan left a witty comment on
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Audrey's Facebook posts on that October day. They had plans to grab drinks at
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a local dive bar that night,
maybe they would shoot some pool. Audrey
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was excited and she knew Ryan wouldn't
forget their date. But ten thirty pm
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came and went, and Ryan never
showed up, no text, no call,
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nothing. He had ghosted her.
And when Audrey was subpoenaed. Months
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later she found out why. Welcome
to episode one seventy two, The Murder
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of Ryan Poston. Ryan Christopher Poston
was born on December thirtieth, nineteen eighty
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two, and Fort Mitchell, Kentucky, to his mother Lisa and his father
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j Ryan three sisters and was the
only son in his immediate family. Ryan's
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parents described him as a caring son
and a protective older brother. The entire
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post And family was very close.
Ryan's father said his son often was loving
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and affectionate. On the way out
the door. Ryan always kissed his parents
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and said I love you. Around
nineteen eighty three, when Ryan was a
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year old, his parents divorced,
shortly after Ryan's mother began seeing a different
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man named Peter Carter. Ryan's parents
and stepfather co parented Ryan very successfully,
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and as a result, Ryan loved
both of his fathers dearly. When he
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was an adult, he changed his
middle name from Christopher to Carter to honor
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his stepfather, Peter Carter, becoming
Ryan Carter Postan. Ryan spent his childhood
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in Fort Mitchell, Kentucky, where
the wealthy post And family had a small
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fortune, a strong reputation, and
many connections. The Fort Mitchell community recognized
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the postings as a positive force.
From kindergarten to eighth grade, Ryan went
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to the Blessed Sacrament School, a
private Catholic school in Fort Mitchell. When
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Ryan entered the ninth grade, he
moved out of the United States with his
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family. His stepfather, Peter,
was a marketing executive for Procter and Gamble,
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a giant corporation for American hygiene products. Peter's career took Ryan's family overseas
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to Asia and Europe. During his
early high school years, Ryan went to
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the International School of Manila in the
Philippines, and around two thousand and one,
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Ryan graduated from the Geneva International School
in Switzerland. Traveling the world and
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attending top tier private schools was probably
an adventure for Ryan, especially since he
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was known for his impressive intellect and
love of learning. His father told the
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Cincinnati Enquirer that Ryan's true passion was
knowledge. Jokingly, his father said that
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Ryan's favorite book was the Dictionary.
That's how much he loved learning. After
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high school, Ryan returned to the
United States for college. In two thousand
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and five, he graduated from Indiana
University with three bachelor's degrees, the first
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in political science, the second in
history, and the third in geography.
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To a hard working, knowledge seeking
guy like Ryan, earning three degrees was
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a joy, not a chore.
Right after finishing his undergrad education, Ryan
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went straight into law school. His
desire to become a lawyer wasn't a surprise.
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He came from a long line of
attorneys. Ryan's grandfather practiced law for
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over fifty years. He provided legal
counsel for the Pacific Gas and Electric Company,
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and he was vice president of a
committee famous for weeding out Kentucky's political
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corruption in the nineteen sixties. Ryan's
uncle was also a practicing attorney in his
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hometown of Fort Mitchell. Both Ryan's
grandfather and uncle attended the Salmon P.
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Chase College of Law at Northern Kentucky
University, and following in his family's footsteps,
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Ryan attended Chase Law two. In
the fall of two thousand and five,
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things were coming up roses for Ryan. His mother and stepfather let him
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stay in their condominium. Not only
was his parents condo free, but it
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was a short two minute drive from
the NKU campus where Ryan attended law school.
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And law school went pretty well for
Ryan too. His roommate and friend
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Matthew Herron, told The Kentucky Inquirer
he was just one of those people who
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was good at everything. Law school
wasn't hard for him. He just got
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it. It was something he really
didn't have to work at. It came
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natural to him. After three years
of law school, Ryan graduated with his
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Juris Doctor in two thousand and eight. He passed the Kentucky bar around two
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thousand and ten, and in April
of two eleven he passed the Ohio bar.
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But simply joining his family's legacy of
lawyers was not enough for Ryan.
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In two thousand and twelve, thirty
year old Ryan set his sights on starting
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his very own law firm in Cincinnati, Ohio. For reference, Cincinnati is
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located smack dab on the Ohio Kentucky
border. Ryan's Cincinnati office building would have
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been about ten miles from his condo
in Highland Heights, Kentucky. In addition
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to being a smart, successful lawyer, Ryan was also kind hearted. Kenneth
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Jayhawy, Ryan's legal mentor and friend, said he had a strong feeling of
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wanting to help people who couldn't otherwise
have access to the legal system and who
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might be steamrolled by the legal system
without someone there to help them. Ryan's
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new law firm focused on helping his
clients with personal injury cases like car crashes,
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and during his client's most stressful times, Ryan treated them like they were
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family. Ryan's clients told his father
that he made them feel heard like they
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were the only person on earth.
Anytime, day or night, Ryan would
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always answer his client's phone calls.
Often Ryan worked late into the night to
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research every last detail of his cases. Everyone knew that Ryan Carter Poston went
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above and beyond to represent his clients
well. Kenneth Jayhawley told the Kentucky Inquirer
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he was going from zero to one
hundred, probably faster and better than any
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young lawyer could have or than could
be imagined. He was that good at
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what he was going to be doing. He was excited about his future,
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and his future was very bright.
Some of Ryan's friends even expected him to
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run for Congress soon. They said, when Ryan talked, people listened no
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matter what he had to say.
Ryan seemed to know everything about everything.
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Despite Ryan's extreme devotion to his profession, he maintained an identity outside of work.
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He loved drinking Woodford reserved bourbon,
playing chess, and discussing philosophy.
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It seemed like Ryan truly had everything. A great career, a range of
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personal interests, and a loving family. And if that wasn't enough, Ryan
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was also a handsome devil. His
friends and family described him as extraordinarily attractive.
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Standing at six foot three with brown
hair and blue eyes and a slim
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build. Ryan looked great in his
daily suit and tie, and he knew
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it. He was confident in his
appearance and gained the attention of many beautiful
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women. One of those women was
Shana Huber's Sna was a nineteen year old
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grad school student in Kentucky. By
random chance, one of her relatives was
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Facebook friends with both her and Ryan. Through Facebook's suggested Friend's feature, Ryan
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noticed Sana's profile. She immediately caught
his eye. Just like Ryan, she
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had brown hair, blue eyes,
and was gorgeous. On March twentieth,
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two thousand eleven, Ryan sent Sena
a Facebook friend request. After chatting through
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Facebook messages for just under a month, Ryan and Shanna decided to take the
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plunge and meet in person, so
on April eighth, Ryan went to Shana's
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birthday party at a Lexington, Kentucky
bar right away. The chemistry between Ryan
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and Shana was electric soon after they
were dating, but it was a somewhat
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long distance relationship. Shana lived in
Lexington, almost ninety miles from Ryan's condo
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in Highland Heights. The two saw
each other only occasionally, but they texted
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constantly. Shana and Ryan appeared to
be a happy couple for about eight months,
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but starting in November twenty eleven,
they had troubled waters. From this
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point on, friends described them as
frequently on again, off again. They
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broke up at least three times and
five months. Each breakup was short lived
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and they would quickly make up,
but over time, friends and family could
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see that this relationship was dressing Ryan
out. By Shana's own admission, she
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was much more interested in Ryan than
he was in her, and it showed.
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Ryan's colleagues reported that Shana would constantly
come to Ryan's office, even when
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the two were on a break.
Sometimes Shana would show up at Ryan's office
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under the pretense of bringing him lunch, but other times Shana was just trying
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to find Ryan when he hadn't responded
to her text messages. If Shana couldn't
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find Ryan at the office, she
would wander aimlessly around the building. Shana
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would also go to Ryan's condo and
let herself in, regardless of their current
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relationship status. Her unannounced visits happened
so often that Ryan threatened to padlock his
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door. Keep in mind, visiting
Ryan was not a quick trip for Shana.
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She had to drive ninety minutes from
Lexington to Highland Heights for Shana to
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visit Ryan. This often uninvited,
and when they weren't even a couple,
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it was weird. And there's more. When Shana couldn't get to Ryan herself,
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she contacted his neighbor. She asked
them if Ryan was at home or
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going to the bar with other woman. And Shana texted Ryan way too much.
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The Cincinnati Inquirer reported that for every
one text Ryan sent Shana, she
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responded with approximately one hundred texts.
What seemed like a promising relationship at the
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start was quickly turning sour, and
Ryan's family saw that Ryan's dad, Jay,
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would regularly go to Ryan's condo to
clean and do his laundry. According
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to Jay, Ryan was a slob
who never cared what his place looked like.
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Since Ryan was so busy with his
law practice, Jay helped his son
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by picking up after him about three
times a week. On numerous occasions,
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whether Shana and Ryan were together or
not, Shana would be at Ryan's place
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while his dad was cleaning. She
wouldn't interact with Ryan, but she wouldn't
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leave when Ryan asked her to.
Jay told the Cincinnati Inquirer the relationship was
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as though she was a ghost.
I would look at her and think,
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why are you here. Many of
Ryan's friends and family believe Shana was stalking
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Ryan. Jaya explained that had Ryan
been his daughter, he would have gotten
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a restraining order against Shana, but
he felt that Ryan could take care of
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himself, As he told the Inquirer, he was my big, strapping son.
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I figured let him work this out. But Ryan couldn't seem to work
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this out. His family explained that
he was notoriously bad at handling conflict.
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Ryan just wanted everyone to be happy. Ending his relationship with Shana was challenging
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because it broke his heart to see
her so upset. After months and months
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of Ryan and Shana's increasingly toxic relationship, he was finally ready to break things
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off. But Shana wouldn't let him. Ryan's friends told CBS His Forty eight
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Hours that Shana was determined to settle
down with Ryan. She wouldn't take no
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for an answer no matter what Ryan
said. Shana continued showing up everywhere in
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his life, relentlessly badgering him with
text messages, popping up at his office,
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and using her key to get into
his condo. Ryan mimicked his father's
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previous sentiments when he sent a text
to a friend saying, this is getting
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to be restraining order level crazy.
But under Kentucky law, Ryan didn't qualify
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for a restraining order. He and
Shana would have had to live together or
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be married. I'm going to pause
now for a short commercial break. Finally,
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in April twenty twelve, a year
after their first date, Ryan was
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able to severtise with Shana. Neither
one of them was happy. Shana was
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angry that Ryan had said negative things
about her to their friends. Ryan felt
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smothered since Shana wouldn't leave him alone. At one point, Ryan texted Shana,
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I no longer have the patience to
deal with you, and that was
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that it was over until it wasn't. In July two thousand and twelve.
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Barely three months later, Ryan and
Shana rekindled their relationship, but this time
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their honeymoon period was even shorter than
usual. Less than a month after they
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got back together, Ryan tried to
escape Shannah's grasp once again. One night
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in August, Ryan showed up at
his dad, Jay's house around twelve thirty
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am. He needed a place to
stay because Shana once again refused to leave
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his condo. Jay, of course
agreed. Throughout the night, Jay repeatedly
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heard Ryan's phone notifications going off.
Shana was texting him NonStop. Although Shana
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struggled to let Ryan go, she
wasn't feeling great about their relationship either.
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After all, Ryan had been giving
her the runaround for months, hot then
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cold, cold, then hot,
over and over again. One time,
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Ryan physically threw Shana out of his
condo without her purse, so she had
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to knock on a neighbor's door to
call someone. Around this time, Shana
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sent a message to a friend of
hers that was a dentist. It said,
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he's been begging me to ask you
if you could do his veneers,
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but please f them up and make
him ugly so he'll never get another girl,
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I hate him. But that next
month, September twenty twelve, Ryan
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and Shana were on good terms again, ordering dinner together as couples do,
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but unsurprisingly, their relationships started to
go south. Just days later, Ryan
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confided in his offices receptionist Laurie about
his troubles with Shana. Ryan asked her,
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how do you break up with someone
who doesn't want to break up with
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you. Laurie told him to break
up with Shana for good, even if
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it meant calling the police. And
Laurie wasn't the only one who gave Ryan
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this advice. Both his dad Jay
and his stepdad Peter separately approached Ryan about
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leaving Shana. They knew that,
despite being a fierce attorney, Ryan had
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a bad habit of avoiding confrontation in
his personal life. They gave him their
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best advice. I tell her it's
over as nicely as possible. Be direct,
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but a gentleman. And that's what
Ryan wanted to do, or so
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he said, Because contrary to what
Ryan kept telling everyone else, he continued
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to engage with Shana. On October
second, Ryan took Shana on a date
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to the shooting range. Ryan was
an avid target shooter and his condo.
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He had multiple guns along with various
bullets. Since he was a messy guy,
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the weapons and bullets were often strewn
about his condo. Ryan also kept
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a loaded gun on his person at
all times. On the day of the
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shooting range date, Shana was feeling
unsure of her stormy relationship with Ryan.
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She texted a friend, writing,
when I go to the shooting range with
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him tonight, I want to turn
around, shoot and kill him and play
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like it's an accident. The friend
replied, be careful, no accidents,
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and Shana responded, I'll try not
to. She had a similar conversation with
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another friend. Later, the friends
would clarify that this seemed like friendly banter,
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that she was just joking and Ryan
wasn't sure of this stormy relationship either.
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Around this time, he met up
with a friend of his. During
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the get together, Ryan told the
friend he intended to break up with Shana
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face to face soon. He told
the friend that previously he had tried to
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end the relationship with subtle hints,
but that had not worked. But then,
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on Thursday, October eleventh, Ryan
invited Shana to watch the vice presidential
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debate with his family. If you're
getting whiplash from Ryan's mixed signals, you're
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not alone. Shana's obsessive behavior is
inexcusable, but Ryan couldn't seem to disentangle
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himself from her either. Even if
Shana and Ryan were not officially together as
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boyfriend and girlfriend, Inviting your ex
to a family gathering is not how you
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gain closure. On the evening of
October eleventh, everything started off smoothly.
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Shana, Ryan and Ryan's family ate
dinner. They watched the political debate,
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and Ryan shared some fantastic news with
everyone. For months, he had been
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embroiled in an ongoing civil lawsuit with
his former law partner. That day they
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had finally settled. The entire ordeal
had left Ryan extremely stressed, so this
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was a massive weight off his shoulders. His stepdad later said he was the
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happiest I had seen him in months, and his life was really on a
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roll right then. But as usual, Ryan and Shana ended the night with
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a fight. The two fought so
loudly that neighbors said they often heard them
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fight through the walls, and this
fight was huge. By the end of
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it, Shana seemed to understand that
her relationship with Ryan was over, but
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when the dust settled, it was
too late for Shana to drive over an
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hour to get home. She stayed
the night on Ryan's couch. That night,
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she called her mother, Sharon,
complaining that she didn't feel good.
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Based on Shana's apparent symptoms, Sharon
thought Shanah was having a stroke. Worried
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out of her mind, Sharon drove
from Lexington to Ryan's condo and Highland Heights
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in the middle of the night.
When she arrived, Sharon tried to convince
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Shana to go to the emergency room, but Shana wouldn't budge her symptoms had
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mysteriously vanished. Instead, Shana and
Sharon napped on Ryan's couch until mid morning
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that day, Friday, October twelfth, Sharon helped Shanah get her belongings out
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of Ryan's condo. Meanwhile, Shana
was texting Ryan a string of apology messages.
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She wrote, Ryan, I'm so
sorry. I was emotional. Ryan
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had locked himself in the bedroom to
avoid his now ex girlfriend, but Shana
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picked a lock with a bobby pin. It's not clear what happened when Shana
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opened the bedroom door. Shana claimed
she des grabbed her purse and keys from
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the bedroom. Afterward, Shana and
her mom went to a suburban Cincinnati mall
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called Kinwood Town Center. When they
finished, Shana told her mom she would
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leave Ryan's and spend the night with
a friend. So Sharon bought Shana gas,
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gave her some aspirin, and instructed
her to call the emergency room if
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she felt sick again. Then Sharon
left, she had a designa Ohio to
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visit some family. At this time, it was early evening, and despite
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what she told her mother, Shana
didn't leave Ryan's condo. Meanwhile, at
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five forty pm, Ryan chatted with
two other lawyers as he prepared to go
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home and enjoy his weekend. All
three attorneys had known each other for years.
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They said Ryan was his usual joyful
self. During their chit chat,
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nothing seemed off. Ryan told them
he had plans with friends later and headed
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out. Twenty minutes later, at
six pm, Ryan spoke to his uncle
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on the phone. Ryan's uncle said
he sounded happy and upbeat. His uncle
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said Ryan was so relieved that his
lawsuit with his former partner was settled.
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Several hours passed, then, at
eight fifty three pm, Shana called nine
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one one. She told the emergency
despatcher, ma'am, I have killed my
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boyfriend in self defense. That statement
would become a contentious battleground for the next
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six years. She was undoubtedly telling
the truth about one thing. Twenty one
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year old Shana Michelle Hubers had killed
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was born on April eighth, nineteen
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to her mother's Sharon and father Robert. Shana spent her childhood in Lexington,
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Kentucky, where her mother was an
elementary school teacher. From a young age,
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it was clear that Shana had a
brilliant mind. Her childhood friends told
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CBS's forty eight Hours that she seemed
like a genius. Shana was in her
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school's Gifted and Talented program and won
many awards for academic leadership. She also
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developed a strong interest in fine arts. By her teen years, Shana considered
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herself a talented actress and musician,
and in two thousand and eight, seventeen
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year old Shana was accepted into a
prestigious course at the Kentucky Center Governor's School
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for her soprano singing voice. A
year later, in two thousand and nine,
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Shana graduated from Paul Lawrence Dunbar High
School. Following high school, Shana
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went to the University of Kentucky,
where her spotless academic record continued. She
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received numerous scholarships for her vocal ability. In May two thousand twelve, after
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only three years, she graduated cum
laude with a degree in psychology. As
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a student, Sena was immaculate as
a person. Sena was messy. She
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talked about herself a lot, and
she was known to take it really hard
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when her relationships didn't work out.
Still, Sena seemed relatively normal. She
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had friends, a supportive family,
and a clear career path. In August
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two thousand and twelve, Sena began
working on her graduate degree in school counseling
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at Eastern Kentucky University. She was
in her first semester of graduate school when
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she called nine one one on the
night of Friday October twelfth, two thousand
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twelve. When the despatcher asked why
she killed her boyfriend in self defense.
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Sena said, he beat me and
tried to carry me out of the house,
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and I came back in to get
my things. He was right in
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front of me, and he reached
down and grabbed the gun, and I
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grabbed it out of his hands and
pulled the trigger. Senah told the despatcher
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that she had shot him twice,
once in the face and once in the
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head. Then she shot him four
additional times quote, just to kill him
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because he was twitching and I knew
he was going to die anyway, and
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he was making funny noises. According
to court documents, Sena said she wanted
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to make sure Ryan was dead because
she knew he was going to die or
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have a completely deformed face. On
this same phone call, Sena told the
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emergency worker that she had waited fifteen
minutes before calling help. Instead of phoning
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nine one one, Sena had called
her mom, who told Sena to hang
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up and call nine one one.
The despatcher instructed Sheena to meet the officers
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at her front door with her hands
held in front of her. About seven
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minutes later, the police arrived.
They instructed Sena to lie on the ground,
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then they took her into custody.
At the police station, the authorities
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pit Sena in a room under video
surveillance. Within minutes, she requested to
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speak to an attorney. However,
without any prompting from the police, she
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began to talk at length about killing
Ryan. For almost three hours, Shana
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would speak to anyone and everyone who
came into the room about Ryan's alleged abuse
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and her self defense. The videos
show her trying to speak to one officer
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who clearly wasn't questioning her. When
she tried to talk to him, he
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brusquely explained, I'm just supposed to
sit with you to get her to stop.
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During this recorded interview, Shana claimed
that Ryan was evil, physically abusive
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to her, and addicted to prescription
pills. That night, Shana said Ryan
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was so whacked out on drugs that
his blue eyes turned black. According to
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Shana, right before she shot Ryan, he was throwing her around the room
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like a rag doll, against furniture, onto the floor, and into the
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television. After Ryan allegedly threw Shana
around, he sat at the dining table
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and screamed insult sat her, saying
he hated her and calling her derogatory names.
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Shana told the authorities quote, he
said, you're just a hillbilly from
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Kentucky, and I am. I
guess the hillbilly came out in me and
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I took up for myself. Then, she said, Ryan reached across the
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table in a threatening manner. She
said she couldn't tell if Ryan was trying
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to get to her or the gun
sitting on the table, so in self
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defense, she grabbed the gun first
and shot him six times. Ran let
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out a loud noise like an animal
that freaked Shana out. She claimed she
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couldn't find her phone. Once she
found it, she called her mom and
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then nine one one. Shana told
one police officer, I don't want to
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go to prison. I don't think
I deserved to. I didn't go over
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there intending to shoot Ryan. I
went over there with the best of intentions.
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I love you, let's work this
relationship out. And he was screaming
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and hitting me. He resorted to
violence, and most notably, Shane told
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the questioning officer that Ryan had wanted
Rhinoplasti for a while. By shooting him
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in the face, Shana said she
gave him, quote the nose job he
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always wanted. According to police Chief
Bill Burkenhower. Each time Shana told the
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story, it evolved in her favor. Chief Berkenhauer told the Kentucky Inquirer she
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made numerous statements. She said the
gun was in his hand. At one
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time, she said the gun was
in the cabinet. Her final story was
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that she picked it up off the
table When she spoke with a nine one
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one operator. Shana said that Ryan
went down after she shot his head twice.
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When she talked with the officers minutes
later, she said Ryan was still
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coming towards her even after shooting him
in the head twice. Chief Berkenhauer was
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also thrown by one startling detail of
Shana's story. She released the safety on
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the gun before she shot Ryan.
To Birkenhauer, that seemed like premeditation,
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not self defense. Investigator's suspicions increased, and Shana was not helping the situation.
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At one point, she pretended to
cry in front of a detective.
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She gasped for air and contorted her
face, but the exact second that he
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left the room, Shana's face returned
to normal. Her emotional theatrics were not
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lost on the police officers watching the
live video feed of Shana's holding room.
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They were referred to her questioning as
the Shana Huber's show because Shana's words felt
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so performative. While alone in the
room, Shana did pirouettes, sang,
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snapped her fingers, and chanted,
I did it, Yep, it was
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me. I killed him. Back
at the crime scene, local authorities found
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Ryan's body on the dining room floor. His shirt was torn. They collected
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the murder weapon, which was Ryan's
own thirty eight caliber handgun. According to
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Chief Barkenhauer, many elements of the
crime scene did not match Shana's version of
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events. Shana said moments before she
shot Ryan, he had thrown her in
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to the TV and a bookshelf,
But the TV and Ryan's condo was fine.
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In fact, it was dusty.
Nothing had touched this TV in a
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long time. The bookshelf Ran had
allegedly thrown Shana into was also undamaged.
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All of the knickknacks on it were
perfectly in place. Photographs taken at the
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station showed that Shana had light bruising
on her shin, but almost no visible
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bruising anywhere else, and all of
the items on the dining room table were
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completely undisturbed. This was strange since
Shana said a mad scramble for Ryan's handgun
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happened at this exact table. Items
like prescription pill bottles and bullets which tip
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over easily were still sitting upright.
Investigators believed that, based on their seating
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arrangement, Ryan's arms should have knocked
the pill bottles and standing bullets over when
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he reached for the gun. The
detectives found there was no sign of a
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struggle in Ryan's condo, with the
position of Ryan's body, the oval dining
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room table, and the door.
The police officers also noted that Sena shot
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Ryan with the unlock door directly behind
her. If Ryan had been verbally and
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physically attacking her, there was nothing
obstructing her ability to leave, and on
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the gun was a trace of Ryan's
blood, which meant at least one shot
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happened very close to Ryan's body,
closer than shooting him across the dining room
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table. The authorities speculated that Sena
probably moved towards Ryan for the final kill
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shots. Based on the autopsy,
experts determined that it was likely that Sena
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shot Ryan three times while he was
sitting, then she shot him three more
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times. After he fell to the
floor, she shot him once in his
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forehead, once in the back of
his head, once in the back,
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once under his arm, and twice
in the chest. Two of the shots
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caused major damage to Ryan's aorda.
Ultimately, he died of blood loss.
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Ryan was probably alive for all six
gunshot wounds. When interviewing Ryan's condo neighbors,
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the police spoke to Vernon and Doris
West. The older couple lived in
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the condo directly below Ryan's for about
a year and a half, during which
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they didn't hear much noise from his
condo. But on the night of the
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murder at eight forty five p m. Minutes before Ryan was shot, Doris
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said she heard a woman crying on
Ryan's back deck. Then Doris heard the
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chair on the deck scooting back.
Seconds later she heard two gunshots, and
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a few seconds after that she heard
four more gunshots. At some point during
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the gunshots, Doris also heard a
thump, as if some one had fallen.
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Vernon heard the same. They both
reported there was no screaming, thumping,
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or loud noises before the gun fire. If Ryan had been throwing shena
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around, neither Doris nor Vernon had
heard it. The night before the murder,
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Doris heard a female crying on Ryan's
back porch. She heard a male
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voice say it's okay, It's okay. Based on the evidence, this was
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probably Ryan consoling Shana after their breakup. Things weren't looking good for Shana,
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but investigators were still missing something motive. Why had Shana shot Ryan? If
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it wasn't in self defense, which
was looking less and less likely, then
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why after eighteen months of the same
emotional roller coaster of a relationship, what
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had pushed Shana from obsession to murder? The answer was simple. On the
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night that Shana killed Ryan, he
had planned a date with none other than
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twenty three year old Audrey Bolt,
otherwise known as Miss Ohio USA two twelve.
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Born in Batavia, Ohio, Audrey
won her very first beauty pageant and
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was crowned Miss Batavia in two thousand
and twelve. Then she won Miss Ohio
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USA two thousand and twelve, receiving
over fifty thousand dollars in scholarship awards.
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In the spring of two twelve,
about six months before Ryan's murder, Audrey
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was named second runner up for the
Miss us A title not bad for a
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young woman so new to the pageant
circuit. Similar to Shana and Ryan,
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Audrey had also met Ryan on Facebook
on January twenty seventh, two twelve.
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They became Facebook friends, but it
wasn't until October twenty twelve that Audrey and
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Ryan began interacting. According to Audrey, at all started when Ryan left a
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funny and interesting comment on one of
her posts she was asking for movie reviews.
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This turned into Audrey and Ryan chatting
through Facebook messages. Her first impression
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of Ryan was that he was witty
and clever. She liked that their conversations
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were light hearted with lots of fun
banter. After a few Facebook messages,
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Ryan and Audrey exchanged phone numbers and
began texting. On October twelfth, twenty
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twelve, Audrey and Ryan planned to
go to a low key dive bar to
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grab drinks and play pool. They
originally planned to meet at nine pm,
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but Audrey pushed back the time to
ten thirty due to a family funeral.
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In their text conversation, Ryan asked
Audrey if he should change out of his
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suit and tie, and she said
yes. A few media outlets speculated that
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Ryan's need to change clothes might have
been the only reason he returned to his
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condo that evening. He never showed
up to the date with Audrey. When
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investigators asked if Shana knew about Ryan's
interest in Audrey Bolt, she said no,
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she had never heard of Audrey,
but this was a lie. Shana
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had a bad habit of hacking into
Ryan's Facebook account to see what he was
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up to, and two days after
Ryan and Audrey had become Facebook friends,
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on January twenty ninth, two thousand
twelve, Shana searched for Audrey's name on
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Facebook. Shana searched Audrey's name again
in June two thousand twelve, and on
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October tenth, two thousand twelve,
two days before killing Ryan, Sena saved
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a photo of Audrey to her phone. Investigators believed that Ryan told Sena about
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his date with Audrey, which was
what motived her to kill Ryan that night.
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The police arrested Shana for murder the
next day, Saturday, October thirteenth,
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twenty twelve, Ryan's father, Jay, received a voicemail while riding his
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bike. It said, mister Poston, we have a body here which we
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think may be a member of your
family. Three minutes later, Ryan's mother
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called Jay. At that moment,
Jay knew his son was dead. He
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told the Cincinnati Enquirer, literally,
in the blink of an eye, everything
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that you have known in your life
is forever gone, just destroyed. Weeks
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after Shana shot Ryan, Jay went
to Ryan's condo. He lay down in
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Ryan's blood and screamed. Then he
scrubbed his son's blood off the walls and
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floor. Jay kept Ryan's dog,
a Maltese Yorkie mix named Oliver. He
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told the Cincinnati Enquirer, I see
the spirit of Ryan and this little dog.
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When describing how Ryan's death impacted his
life, Jay said he struggled to
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be happy. Part of that is
guilt, He explained. If you start
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getting better, if you are happy, you were doing a disservice to your
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child. I do know that's not
true, but it's still there eating at
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you. Bryan's family was aware that
Ryan had been trying to remove Shana from
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his life, but was scared of
hurting her feelings, and one statement,
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the family said he was trying to
move on with his life. Tragically,
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his life was taken from him.
In another statement, they said, our
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only solace is an unwavering confidence.
In our legal system and our strong belief
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that justice shall be served. After
Sena was arrested, she was held at
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the Campbell County Detention Center in Newport. Her bond was set at a steep
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two million. She couldn't make Bell, so Shena remained in jail until her
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twenty fifteen, Shana's trial began.
From the beginning, Shana maintained that
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she fatally shot Ryan. The only
question for the jury to determine was why.
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In the three years before Shanah's trial, this case received extensive media coverage
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a beautiful young woman had killed her
beautiful ex boyfriend. In response to the
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increased media attention, the presiding judge
only allowed one TV camera inside the courtroom.
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All live coverage, including social media
posts, was banned. Still,
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reporters from national news outlets including ABC, CBS, and NBC took notes in
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the courtroom during the trial. The
prosecution argued that Shanah did not kill Ryan
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in self defense, but in cold
blood. According to the state, Shana
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went into a jealous rage after discovering
that Ryan had planned a date with a
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new woman just a day after their
latest break up. As evidence, the
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prosecution relied heavily on Shanah's own words. They played Shana's nine one one phone
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call, where her original story was
vastly different from what she would tell the
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authorities later. Then they showed Shanah's
recorded police interview, which was, as
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you know, incredibly damning. On
one occasion, when the officers walked out
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of the room, Shana said to
herself, I'm so good at acting.
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And they brought three of Shanah's fellow
inmates to the stand, Holly Nivens,
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Donna Dooley, and Cecily Miller.
Since Shana had been in jail for so
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long, she had gotten quite comfortable
discussing her crime with these women. At
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first, Shanah told Hall that Ryan
had abused her physically and sexually, but
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after some time, Shana revealed to
Holly that she, not Ryan, was
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the aggressor. Shana would regularly throw
stuff around Ryan's condo to try and convince
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his neighbors they were fighting. She
gave herself bruises on her arms and showed
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them to people, claiming that Ryan
assaulted her. One time, Shana drew
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a diagram of Ryan's dining room on
the back of a napkin. So she
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could better explain to Holly how she
had killed Ryan. Shana also explained to
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Holly her plan to get diagnosed with
a mental disorder so she could convince the
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court she was crazy. In the
same vein, Shana told Cecily that she
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was going to plead insanity, but
she was too smart because she had the
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IQ of Einstein, so she was
going to plead bettered wife's syndrome. Previously,
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Shana underwent a psychological evaluation to make
sure she was fit to stand trial.
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She scored an IQ of one twenty
five, which is in the ninety
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fifth percentile. This might have been
what Shena was referring to when she told
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Cecily she had the IQ of Einstein
and if you're wondering, I'll save you
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the Google. Einstein's i Q was
over one sixty during that psycho vow.
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The psychologist also diagnosed Shena with symptoms
of being a narcissist. The psychologist remarked
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that Sena didn't understand that others didn't
find her accomplishments and achievements as interesting as
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she did. Shena's additional diagnoses included
PTSD personality disorder, and bipolar disorder.
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At the trial, the psychologist agreed
that these ailments did not excuse Shena from
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murder. And last, but not
least, Donna told the court exactly how
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the murder played out. She testified
that Sena told me they were sitting at
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the kitchen table. He was sitting
at the table and he had his gun
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on the table. She told me. She picked up the gun and said,
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what would you do fi, and
he smirked, and she shot him.
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All three women explained that Senah killed
Ryan because he was breaking up with
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her and going on a date with
a new woman, and all three women
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said that Sna expressed no remorse for
her actions. Instead, Sena was known
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to laugh when describing the murder,
and when Sena was on the phone in
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the jail, she would pretend to
cry while simultaneously smiling and winking at her
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fellow inmates. Keep in mind,
sometimes testimony from a defendant's fellow inmate is
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questionable. Usually they have received some
sort of deal, like getting a lighter
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sentence in exchange for throwing someone under
the bus. They might be motivated to
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lie so they can get out of
prison faster. But Donna, Holly,
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and Cecily received nothing in return for
their testimony against Sena Hubers. In preparation
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for the trial, relevant officials reviewed
over fifty thousand text messages and twenty thousand
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Facebook messages between Ryan and Sana the
prosecution and used them to show that Shana
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was angry with Ryan. Near the
time of the murder. Shana texted a
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friend quote, my love for him
has turned into hate. She texted another
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person, he's such a loser.
Another message said, he says he's only
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with me because he feels so awful
when he breaks up with me. And
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of course, don't forget the text
exchange we've already covered when she threatened to
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kill him accidentally at a shooting range
in a tragic case of irony. Shana's
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text messages also revealed that she was
seeing multiple other men without Ryan's knowledge.
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She wrote to a friend quote,
it's going to be hard one day to
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choose between him and Ryan. One
means the future and one means being with
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someone I love who doesn't love me
as much. She also texted the friend,
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I'm in love with this other guy. A month before she killed Ryan,
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she texted a friend about getting an
STD and wrote who knows who I
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got it from, right. Sena, who became murderous at the news that
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Ryan was seeing other people, was
seeing other people herself. Its almost Shakespearian.
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In response, Sheena's defense team maintained
that she acted in self defense.
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They admitted that Senna's behavior towards Ryan
was obsessive, but claimed that did not
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make her a murderer. Most of
their arguments were predicated on smearing Ryan's reputation.
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According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, they
argued that he was a gun nut
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whose career was falling apart. They
claimed that Ryan was enduring the pressure of
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his career, an ongoing lawsuit with
his former law partner, and had a
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prescription pill problem. As a result
of this immense personal and professional stress,
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Ryan snapped and attacked Sena. Since
Ryan was a tall man at six three
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and Senna was only five four,
she was forced to shoot him in self
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defense. The defense used text messages
from Ryan to depict him as a troubled,
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violent man. For example, Ryan
wrote to a friend, my brain
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has a trip wire in there somewhere, and if it snaps, I worry
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what could happen? He texted someone
else, I'm starting to feel like life
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passed by me while I was making
brilliant plans for it. Other text messages
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indicated that Ryan might have had a
problem overusing prescription pills, but the court
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didn't allow most of these messages to
be submitted as evidence. Ryan sent them
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seven months before his death, so
there was reason to believe that Ryan had
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stopped abusing prescription pills. Shana's defense
explained that Shana and Ryan had not broken
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up. They were still boyfriend and
girlfriend. They pointed out that Shana still
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had toiletries at Ryan's condo. However, by Shana's own admission, her mom
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was helping her get her stuff out
of Ryan's condo on the day of the
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murder, and one of the last
text messages Ryan sent to Shana read,
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I think I need some time by
myself this weekend. Still, the defense
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tried to establi that Ryan and Shana
were a couple so that they could claim
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that Shana lived in Ryan's condo.
You see, if Shana lived in the
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condo, she might have been protected
under Kentucky's stand your ground law. This
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law states that you can use deadly
force and self defense in your own home
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even if you have the opportunity to
escape danger by exiting your home, which
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we know Shana did since she was
near the front door, you don't have
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to. Instead, you can stand
your ground and hurt someone who seeks to
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harm you. But Shana and Ryan
were not living together. In Shana's video
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recorded police interview, they asked if
they were, and she clearly said no.
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When they asked what Shana's address was, she provided a different address from
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Ryan's condo. Shana's trial lasted nine
days. Although she didn't take the stand,
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the jury heard over forty other witness
testimonies. They reviewed over one hundred
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pieces of evidence, and on April
twenty third, twenty fifteen, they left
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the court room to deliberate. Everyone
was left to wonder would Shana be allowed
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to walk free. After deliberating for
five hours, the jury convicted twenty three
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year old Shannah Hubers of murdering Ryan
Poston three years earlier. Everyone was in
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agreement Shana had not killed Ryan in
self defense. Later, a juror explained
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that the entire jury had immediately agreed
on Shanah's guilt. They spent the majority
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of their five hours deciding what sentence
to suggest for her. Even the judge
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said, I never heard a word
or saw a look from her that said
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I'm sorry. As far as Shannah's
sentence goes, the prosecution was seeking prison
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for life, which Ryan's family supported. One of his sisters testified, when
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you never get to say bye to
someone and you know they were in so
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much pain, your heart is breaking, your heart actually feels like it's crumbling
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in your chest, your heart feels
empty. I never got to say goodbye
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to my brother. I never got
to hug my brother one last time.
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He made us complete, and without
him, there is always the chair that's
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going to be empty. There is
no amount of time that will take away
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what was taken from us. Ultimately, the jury recommended that Shanaby sentenced to
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forty years in prison. She would
be eligible for parole in twenty years,
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when she would be just forty three
years old. Afterward, Ryan's family expressed
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their disappointment. Her mother said a
forty year sentence was a shallow victory.
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Ryan's stepfather said, it's very bitter
sweet. We have gotten justice. Ryan
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loved the law, and this is
what the law has given us. We'll
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take that. It's okay, And
that seemed like the end of that things
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were bitter sweet, but okay.
The legal system delivered as much justice as
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it could, and Shana went to
prison. But in January two thousand and
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sixteen months after her conviction, Shana
sought a retrial, and in a rare
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occurrence, she got it. When
looking over Shane's A Pill documents, Dina
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Denison, one of Shanah's lawyers,
realized that she recognized a juror from Shanah's
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trial jurn Number four eighty three,
a fifty three year old man named David
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Craig. Dinah had represented him in
November nineteen ninety two, when David had
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not paid over eight thousand dollars in
child support. He pled guilty to the
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crime, which was a low level
felony in Kentucky, and in Kentucky,
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convicted felons cannot serve on juries.
Suddenly, the nation was in an uproar.
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Was Shana going to escape any more
prison time on a technicality? How
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could this happen? As it turned
out, David Craig, the one person
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who shouldn't be serving on a jury, was thrilled about jury duty. When
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he received his summons, he was
beside himself. He told the Cincinnati Enquirer.
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I was so proud I got to
serve on a jury, to serve
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my community. I think I'm the
first one of my family to ever serve
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on a jury. By his own
admission, David writes at about a third
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grade level, so his longtime girlfriend
helped him fill out the acquired juror questionnaire.
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When they came to the question are
you a convicted felon, they simply
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checked the no box instead of the
yes one. According to David, he
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had no idea he was a convicted
felon. He had almost forgotten about the
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child support snaphew from over twenty years
before. Later, David told court officials
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that he didn't believe he was a
felon. David explained that felon's go to
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prison. He was just behind on
child support payments. David told the Cincinnati
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Inquirer, I wonder, will twenty
deputies come here to arrest me? If
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forgetting us wrong, then lock me
up? I guess. Lucky for David,
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they did not lock him up.
No perjury charges were pressed, so
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on August twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, the Campbell's Circuit Court awarded sham Huber's
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a new trial Ryan's family was devastated. A new trial meant a new opportunity
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for Shana to escape justice. Ryan's
father said that his son's murder was a
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wound that just wouldn't heal. Then
Shanah's retrial was delayed for two years.
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I'm going to pause now for a
final commercial break. Shana hired a new
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out of state lawyer who needed extra
time to research the case. Finally,
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on August eighth, twenty eighteen,
now twenty seven year old Shana Michelle Huber's
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second trial for the murder of Ryan
Carter Poston began. It was almost six
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years after his death. This time, Shana did testify in her own defense.
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It did not go well. She
admitted to showing possessive and controlling behaviors
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in her relationship with Ryan. She
agreed that when Ryan tried to end things,
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she would flood him with tech messages
even though he did not respond.
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Sometimes she would contact him from a
different phone because she knew that he wouldn't
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respond if he recognized the number.
When Shana had the opportunity, she searched
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Ryan's phone for evidence of cheating and
blocked other women through Ryan's Facebook account.
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During one breakup, Shana faked a
heart condition to gain Ryan's sympathy. The
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prosecution suggested that the stroke like symptoms
Shana displayed on October eleventh were probably another
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false attempt to earn Ryan's attention.
Shana's main defense strategy rested on revealing every
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sort of detail of her in Ryan's
sex life. She claimed that Ryan was
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frustrated that she couldn't achieve orgasm easily. In response, Ryan abused her or
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threatened to abuse her. For the
most part, the prosecution presented largely the
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same case, Shana killed Ryan Enna. If I can't have him, no
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one can fit. However, the
prosecution did bring a new witness to the
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table. On the day of Ryan's
murder, Shana and her mother went to
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a nearby mall. One of the
shop workers testified. They said that Shannah
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came into their store visibly angry.
She was upset because her boyfriend was going
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on a date with another woman.
According to this shop worker, Shana said
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she was going to kill her boyfriend. Originally, the shop worker didn't call
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the police, but when the media
coverage of Shanah gained speed, including a
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two part CBS forty eight Hours special, they recognized Shana. On August twenty
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ninth, twenty eighteen, after three
and a half hours of deliberation, the
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jury convicted Shana of murder. This
time, they recommended that Shana receive a
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life sentence, and in October twenty
eighteen, she did. She still will
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be eligible for parole in twenty thirty
two. She will be only forty one
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years old if she gets out.
Shana's mother, Sharon, still maintains that
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her daughter shot Ryan in self defense. She told CBS forty eight Hours she
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has a heart of gold. She's
like her mommy, a loving spirit.
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Ryan's elementary school started a memorial scholarship
in his name. By two fifteen,
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the donation based award was ever one
hundred thousand dollars. According to the Kentucky
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Inquirer, it's given to a sixth
grader who demonstrates kindness, compassion, and
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caring for others. North Kentucky University
also started a memorial scholarship in Ryan's name.
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On the anniversary of Ryan's death,
his family and friends gathered at his
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grave site. They prayed, shared
memories, and took shots of Ryan's favorite
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Woodford Reserve bourbon. There is a
reason I chose Ryan's story to tell,
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not just because Shana was a female
stalker, but also her false accusations about
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Ryan. Shana Hubers made a false
claim of domestic abuse. This is rare.
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Only three percent of domestic violence allegations
are false, meaning ninety seven percent
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of them are true. When a
woman says her partner abuses her, it
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is statistically in your favor to believe
her. False allegations of domestic violence happen
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more often when the woman, not
the man, is the abuser. According
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to George Mason University, seventy three
percent of men who experienced female perpetrated violence
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reported that the woman threatened to make
false accusations. The female abusers use false
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accusations as a tool to manipulate control
and maintain power over their victims. Any
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demographic of people will have liars,
men and women. Some people want to
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save their skin no matter the cost. And every time people make false claims
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of abuse, they negatively impact society's
perception of actual domestic violence victims. And
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the other issue in this case is
that Ryan did not comfortable reporting Shanea's stalking.
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He wasn't perfect. It was definitely
a toxic relationship, but He also
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felt he should be able to handle
it himself. Even his poor father had
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that thought. Men often don't report
stalking or abuse because of ingrained feelings of
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masculinity. They think they should be
able to handle it. As men,
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they are raised to believe they can
handle their own problems, especially when it
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comes to relationships. It isn't manly
to ask for help. We need to
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advocate more for men as a society. We need to normalize the reality that
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men are also abused, They are
also stalked, and as in Ryan's case,
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it can be deadly. Ryan was
raised by two lovely, thoughtful men.
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Even though they could see how toxic
the relationship was, they trusted their
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son to be able to resolve it
on his own safely. Ryan was smart
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and successful. He was a lawyer. He was handsome and had no self
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esteem issues. He knew Shana was
bad news and should not be in his
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life, but he was more worried
about hurting her, and he could not
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see the danger he was in until
it was too late. Southern frid True
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Crime is hosted and produced by me
Erica Kelly. Today's episode was researched and
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written by Andrea Marshbank. And all
editorial opinions are my own. Southern Frid's
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Southern Fried True crime covers cases that
are not suitable for young listeners, and
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there may also be some explicit language
used. Listener discretion is advised. On
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Friday, October twelfth, twenty twelve, pageant Queen Audrey Bolt, also known
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as Miss Ohio, was having a
hell of a day. She had started
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chatting with a new guys she had
met on Facebook. His name was Ryan
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Poston, and he seemed promising.
He was a lawyer, a handsome lawyer.
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He was starting a law firm,
had his own place, and was
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super smart. Sure, Ryan may
have been thirty years old to Audrey's twenty
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three, but it could be nice
to date an older, established man,
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someone who knows what they're looking for
in life. Plus, Ryan was funny.
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They had started chatting with each other
after Ryan left a witty comment on
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Audrey's Facebook posts on that October day. They had plans to grab drinks at
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a local dive bar that night,
maybe they would shoot some pool. Audrey
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was excited and she knew Ryan wouldn't
forget their date. But ten thirty pm
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came and went, and Ryan never
showed up, no text, no call,
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nothing. He had ghosted her.
And when Audrey was subpoenaed. Months
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later she found out why. Welcome
to episode one seventy two, The Murder
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of Ryan Poston. Ryan Christopher Poston
was born on December thirtieth, nineteen eighty
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two, and Fort Mitchell, Kentucky, to his mother Lisa and his father
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j Ryan three sisters and was the
only son in his immediate family. Ryan's
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parents described him as a caring son
and a protective older brother. The entire
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post And family was very close.
Ryan's father said his son often was loving
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and affectionate. On the way out
the door. Ryan always kissed his parents
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and said I love you. Around
nineteen eighty three, when Ryan was a
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year old, his parents divorced,
shortly after Ryan's mother began seeing a different
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man named Peter Carter. Ryan's parents
and stepfather co parented Ryan very successfully,
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and as a result, Ryan loved
both of his fathers dearly. When he
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was an adult, he changed his
middle name from Christopher to Carter to honor
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his stepfather, Peter Carter, becoming
Ryan Carter Postan. Ryan spent his childhood
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in Fort Mitchell, Kentucky, where
the wealthy post And family had a small
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fortune, a strong reputation, and
many connections. The Fort Mitchell community recognized
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the postings as a positive force.
From kindergarten to eighth grade, Ryan went
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to the Blessed Sacrament School, a
private Catholic school in Fort Mitchell. When
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Ryan entered the ninth grade, he
moved out of the United States with his
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family. His stepfather, Peter,
was a marketing executive for Procter and Gamble,
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a giant corporation for American hygiene products. Peter's career took Ryan's family overseas
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to Asia and Europe. During his
early high school years, Ryan went to
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the International School of Manila in the
Philippines, and around two thousand and one,
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Ryan graduated from the Geneva International School
in Switzerland. Traveling the world and
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attending top tier private schools was probably
an adventure for Ryan, especially since he
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was known for his impressive intellect and
love of learning. His father told the
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Cincinnati Enquirer that Ryan's true passion was
knowledge. Jokingly, his father said that
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Ryan's favorite book was the Dictionary.
That's how much he loved learning. After
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high school, Ryan returned to the
United States for college. In two thousand
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and five, he graduated from Indiana
University with three bachelor's degrees, the first
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in political science, the second in
history, and the third in geography.
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To a hard working, knowledge seeking
guy like Ryan, earning three degrees was
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a joy, not a chore.
Right after finishing his undergrad education, Ryan
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went straight into law school. His
desire to become a lawyer wasn't a surprise.
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He came from a long line of
attorneys. Ryan's grandfather practiced law for
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over fifty years. He provided legal
counsel for the Pacific Gas and Electric Company,
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and he was vice president of a
committee famous for weeding out Kentucky's political
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corruption in the nineteen sixties. Ryan's
uncle was also a practicing attorney in his
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hometown of Fort Mitchell. Both Ryan's
grandfather and uncle attended the Salmon P.
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Chase College of Law at Northern Kentucky
University, and following in his family's footsteps,
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Ryan attended Chase Law two. In
the fall of two thousand and five,
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things were coming up roses for Ryan. His mother and stepfather let him
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stay in their condominium. Not only
was his parents condo free, but it
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was a short two minute drive from
the NKU campus where Ryan attended law school.
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And law school went pretty well for
Ryan too. His roommate and friend
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Matthew Herron, told The Kentucky Inquirer
he was just one of those people who
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was good at everything. Law school
wasn't hard for him. He just got
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it. It was something he really
didn't have to work at. It came
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natural to him. After three years
of law school, Ryan graduated with his
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Juris Doctor in two thousand and eight. He passed the Kentucky bar around two
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thousand and ten, and in April
of two eleven he passed the Ohio bar.
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But simply joining his family's legacy of
lawyers was not enough for Ryan.
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In two thousand and twelve, thirty
year old Ryan set his sights on starting
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his very own law firm in Cincinnati, Ohio. For reference, Cincinnati is
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located smack dab on the Ohio Kentucky
border. Ryan's Cincinnati office building would have
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been about ten miles from his condo
in Highland Heights, Kentucky. In addition
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to being a smart, successful lawyer, Ryan was also kind hearted. Kenneth
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Jayhawy, Ryan's legal mentor and friend, said he had a strong feeling of
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wanting to help people who couldn't otherwise
have access to the legal system and who
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might be steamrolled by the legal system
without someone there to help them. Ryan's
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new law firm focused on helping his
clients with personal injury cases like car crashes,
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and during his client's most stressful times, Ryan treated them like they were
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family. Ryan's clients told his father
that he made them feel heard like they
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were the only person on earth.
Anytime, day or night, Ryan would
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always answer his client's phone calls.
Often Ryan worked late into the night to
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research every last detail of his cases. Everyone knew that Ryan Carter Poston went
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above and beyond to represent his clients
well. Kenneth Jayhawley told the Kentucky Inquirer
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he was going from zero to one
hundred, probably faster and better than any
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young lawyer could have or than could
be imagined. He was that good at
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what he was going to be doing. He was excited about his future,
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and his future was very bright.
Some of Ryan's friends even expected him to
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run for Congress soon. They said, when Ryan talked, people listened no
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matter what he had to say.
Ryan seemed to know everything about everything.
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Despite Ryan's extreme devotion to his profession, he maintained an identity outside of work.
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He loved drinking Woodford reserved bourbon,
playing chess, and discussing philosophy.
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It seemed like Ryan truly had everything. A great career, a range of
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personal interests, and a loving family. And if that wasn't enough, Ryan
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was also a handsome devil. His
friends and family described him as extraordinarily attractive.
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Standing at six foot three with brown
hair and blue eyes and a slim
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build. Ryan looked great in his
daily suit and tie, and he knew
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it. He was confident in his
appearance and gained the attention of many beautiful
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women. One of those women was
Shana Huber's Sna was a nineteen year old
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grad school student in Kentucky. By
random chance, one of her relatives was
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Facebook friends with both her and Ryan. Through Facebook's suggested Friend's feature, Ryan
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noticed Sana's profile. She immediately caught
his eye. Just like Ryan, she
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had brown hair, blue eyes,
and was gorgeous. On March twentieth,
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two thousand eleven, Ryan sent Sena
a Facebook friend request. After chatting through
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Facebook messages for just under a month, Ryan and Shanna decided to take the
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plunge and meet in person, so
on April eighth, Ryan went to Shana's
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birthday party at a Lexington, Kentucky
bar right away. The chemistry between Ryan
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and Shana was electric soon after they
were dating, but it was a somewhat
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long distance relationship. Shana lived in
Lexington, almost ninety miles from Ryan's condo
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in Highland Heights. The two saw
each other only occasionally, but they texted
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constantly. Shana and Ryan appeared to
be a happy couple for about eight months,
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but starting in November twenty eleven,
they had troubled waters. From this
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point on, friends described them as
frequently on again, off again. They
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broke up at least three times and
five months. Each breakup was short lived
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and they would quickly make up,
but over time, friends and family could
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see that this relationship was dressing Ryan
out. By Shana's own admission, she
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was much more interested in Ryan than
he was in her, and it showed.
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Ryan's colleagues reported that Shana would constantly
come to Ryan's office, even when
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the two were on a break.
Sometimes Shana would show up at Ryan's office
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under the pretense of bringing him lunch, but other times Shana was just trying
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to find Ryan when he hadn't responded
to her text messages. If Shana couldn't
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find Ryan at the office, she
would wander aimlessly around the building. Shana
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would also go to Ryan's condo and
let herself in, regardless of their current
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relationship status. Her unannounced visits happened
so often that Ryan threatened to padlock his
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door. Keep in mind, visiting
Ryan was not a quick trip for Shana.
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She had to drive ninety minutes from
Lexington to Highland Heights for Shana to
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visit Ryan. This often uninvited,
and when they weren't even a couple,
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it was weird. And there's more. When Shana couldn't get to Ryan herself,
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she contacted his neighbor. She asked
them if Ryan was at home or
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going to the bar with other woman. And Shana texted Ryan way too much.
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The Cincinnati Inquirer reported that for every
one text Ryan sent Shana, she
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responded with approximately one hundred texts.
What seemed like a promising relationship at the
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start was quickly turning sour, and
Ryan's family saw that Ryan's dad, Jay,
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would regularly go to Ryan's condo to
clean and do his laundry. According
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to Jay, Ryan was a slob
who never cared what his place looked like.
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Since Ryan was so busy with his
law practice, Jay helped his son
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by picking up after him about three
times a week. On numerous occasions,
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whether Shana and Ryan were together or
not, Shana would be at Ryan's place
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while his dad was cleaning. She
wouldn't interact with Ryan, but she wouldn't
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leave when Ryan asked her to.
Jay told the Cincinnati Inquirer the relationship was
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as though she was a ghost.
I would look at her and think,
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why are you here. Many of
Ryan's friends and family believe Shana was stalking
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Ryan. Jaya explained that had Ryan
been his daughter, he would have gotten
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a restraining order against Shana, but
he felt that Ryan could take care of
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himself, As he told the Inquirer, he was my big, strapping son.
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I figured let him work this out. But Ryan couldn't seem to work
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this out. His family explained that
he was notoriously bad at handling conflict.
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Ryan just wanted everyone to be happy. Ending his relationship with Shana was challenging
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because it broke his heart to see
her so upset. After months and months
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of Ryan and Shana's increasingly toxic relationship, he was finally ready to break things
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off. But Shana wouldn't let him. Ryan's friends told CBS His Forty eight
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Hours that Shana was determined to settle
down with Ryan. She wouldn't take no
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for an answer no matter what Ryan
said. Shana continued showing up everywhere in
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his life, relentlessly badgering him with
text messages, popping up at his office,
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and using her key to get into
his condo. Ryan mimicked his father's
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previous sentiments when he sent a text
to a friend saying, this is getting
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to be restraining order level crazy.
But under Kentucky law, Ryan didn't qualify
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for a restraining order. He and
Shana would have had to live together or
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be married. I'm going to pause
now for a short commercial break. Finally,
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in April twenty twelve, a year
after their first date, Ryan was
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able to severtise with Shana. Neither
one of them was happy. Shana was
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angry that Ryan had said negative things
about her to their friends. Ryan felt
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smothered since Shana wouldn't leave him alone. At one point, Ryan texted Shana,
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I no longer have the patience to
deal with you, and that was
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that it was over until it wasn't. In July two thousand and twelve.
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Barely three months later, Ryan and
Shana rekindled their relationship, but this time
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their honeymoon period was even shorter than
usual. Less than a month after they
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got back together, Ryan tried to
escape Shannah's grasp once again. One night
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in August, Ryan showed up at
his dad, Jay's house around twelve thirty
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am. He needed a place to
stay because Shana once again refused to leave
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his condo. Jay, of course
agreed. Throughout the night, Jay repeatedly
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heard Ryan's phone notifications going off.
Shana was texting him NonStop. Although Shana
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struggled to let Ryan go, she
wasn't feeling great about their relationship either.
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After all, Ryan had been giving
her the runaround for months, hot then
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cold, cold, then hot,
over and over again. One time,
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Ryan physically threw Shana out of his
condo without her purse, so she had
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to knock on a neighbor's door to
call someone. Around this time, Shana
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sent a message to a friend of
hers that was a dentist. It said,
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he's been begging me to ask you
if you could do his veneers,
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but please f them up and make
him ugly so he'll never get another girl,
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I hate him. But that next
month, September twenty twelve, Ryan
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and Shana were on good terms again, ordering dinner together as couples do,
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but unsurprisingly, their relationships started to
go south. Just days later, Ryan
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confided in his offices receptionist Laurie about
his troubles with Shana. Ryan asked her,
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how do you break up with someone
who doesn't want to break up with
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you. Laurie told him to break
up with Shana for good, even if
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it meant calling the police. And
Laurie wasn't the only one who gave Ryan
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this advice. Both his dad Jay
and his stepdad Peter separately approached Ryan about
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leaving Shana. They knew that,
despite being a fierce attorney, Ryan had
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a bad habit of avoiding confrontation in
his personal life. They gave him their
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best advice. I tell her it's
over as nicely as possible. Be direct,
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but a gentleman. And that's what
Ryan wanted to do, or so
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he said, Because contrary to what
Ryan kept telling everyone else, he continued
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to engage with Shana. On October
second, Ryan took Shana on a date
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to the shooting range. Ryan was
an avid target shooter and his condo.
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He had multiple guns along with various
bullets. Since he was a messy guy,
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the weapons and bullets were often strewn
about his condo. Ryan also kept
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a loaded gun on his person at
all times. On the day of the
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shooting range date, Shana was feeling
unsure of her stormy relationship with Ryan.
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She texted a friend, writing,
when I go to the shooting range with
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him tonight, I want to turn
around, shoot and kill him and play
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like it's an accident. The friend
replied, be careful, no accidents,
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and Shana responded, I'll try not
to. She had a similar conversation with
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another friend. Later, the friends
would clarify that this seemed like friendly banter,
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that she was just joking and Ryan
wasn't sure of this stormy relationship either.
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Around this time, he met up
with a friend of his. During
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the get together, Ryan told the
friend he intended to break up with Shana
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face to face soon. He told
the friend that previously he had tried to
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end the relationship with subtle hints,
but that had not worked. But then,
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on Thursday, October eleventh, Ryan
invited Shana to watch the vice presidential
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debate with his family. If you're
getting whiplash from Ryan's mixed signals, you're
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not alone. Shana's obsessive behavior is
inexcusable, but Ryan couldn't seem to disentangle
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himself from her either. Even if
Shana and Ryan were not officially together as
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boyfriend and girlfriend, Inviting your ex
to a family gathering is not how you
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gain closure. On the evening of
October eleventh, everything started off smoothly.
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Shana, Ryan and Ryan's family ate
dinner. They watched the political debate,
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and Ryan shared some fantastic news with
everyone. For months, he had been
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embroiled in an ongoing civil lawsuit with
his former law partner. That day they
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had finally settled. The entire ordeal
had left Ryan extremely stressed, so this
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was a massive weight off his shoulders. His stepdad later said he was the
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happiest I had seen him in months, and his life was really on a
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roll right then. But as usual, Ryan and Shana ended the night with
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a fight. The two fought so
loudly that neighbors said they often heard them
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fight through the walls, and this
fight was huge. By the end of
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it, Shana seemed to understand that
her relationship with Ryan was over, but
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when the dust settled, it was
too late for Shana to drive over an
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hour to get home. She stayed
the night on Ryan's couch. That night,
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she called her mother, Sharon,
complaining that she didn't feel good.
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Based on Shana's apparent symptoms, Sharon
thought Shanah was having a stroke. Worried
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out of her mind, Sharon drove
from Lexington to Ryan's condo and Highland Heights
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in the middle of the night.
When she arrived, Sharon tried to convince
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Shana to go to the emergency room, but Shana wouldn't budge her symptoms had
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mysteriously vanished. Instead, Shana and
Sharon napped on Ryan's couch until mid morning
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that day, Friday, October twelfth, Sharon helped Shanah get her belongings out
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of Ryan's condo. Meanwhile, Shana
was texting Ryan a string of apology messages.
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She wrote, Ryan, I'm so
sorry. I was emotional. Ryan
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had locked himself in the bedroom to
avoid his now ex girlfriend, but Shana
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picked a lock with a bobby pin. It's not clear what happened when Shana
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opened the bedroom door. Shana claimed
she des grabbed her purse and keys from
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the bedroom. Afterward, Shana and
her mom went to a suburban Cincinnati mall
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called Kinwood Town Center. When they
finished, Shana told her mom she would
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leave Ryan's and spend the night with
a friend. So Sharon bought Shana gas,
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gave her some aspirin, and instructed
her to call the emergency room if
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she felt sick again. Then Sharon
left, she had a designa Ohio to
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visit some family. At this time, it was early evening, and despite
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what she told her mother, Shana
didn't leave Ryan's condo. Meanwhile, at
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five forty pm, Ryan chatted with
two other lawyers as he prepared to go
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home and enjoy his weekend. All
three attorneys had known each other for years.
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They said Ryan was his usual joyful
self. During their chit chat,
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nothing seemed off. Ryan told them
he had plans with friends later and headed
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out. Twenty minutes later, at
six pm, Ryan spoke to his uncle
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on the phone. Ryan's uncle said
he sounded happy and upbeat. His uncle
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said Ryan was so relieved that his
lawsuit with his former partner was settled.
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Several hours passed, then, at
eight fifty three pm, Shana called nine
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one one. She told the emergency
despatcher, ma'am, I have killed my
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boyfriend in self defense. That statement
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six years. She was undoubtedly telling
the truth about one thing. Twenty one
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year old Shana Michelle Hubers had killed
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six years. She was undoubtedly telling
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was born on April eighth, nineteen
ninety one, in Fayette, Kentucky,
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to her mother's Sharon and father Robert. Shana spent her childhood in Lexington,
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Kentucky, where her mother was an
elementary school teacher. From a young age,
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it was clear that Shana had a
brilliant mind. Her childhood friends told
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CBS's forty eight Hours that she seemed
like a genius. Shana was in her
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school's Gifted and Talented program and won
many awards for academic leadership. She also
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developed a strong interest in fine arts. By her teen years, Shana considered
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herself a talented actress and musician,
and in two thousand and eight, seventeen
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year old Shana was accepted into a
prestigious course at the Kentucky Center Governor's School
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for her soprano singing voice. A
year later, in two thousand and nine,
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Shana graduated from Paul Lawrence Dunbar High
School. Following high school, Shana
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went to the University of Kentucky,
where her spotless academic record continued. She
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received numerous scholarships for her vocal ability. In May two thousand twelve, after
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only three years, she graduated cum
laude with a degree in psychology. As
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a student, Sena was immaculate as
a person. Sena was messy. She
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talked about herself a lot, and
she was known to take it really hard
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when her relationships didn't work out.
Still, Sena seemed relatively normal. She
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had friends, a supportive family,
and a clear career path. In August
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two thousand and twelve, Sena began
working on her graduate degree in school counseling
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at Eastern Kentucky University. She was
in her first semester of graduate school when
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she called nine one one on the
night of Friday October twelfth, two thousand
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twelve. When the despatcher asked why
she killed her boyfriend in self defense.
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Sena said, he beat me and
tried to carry me out of the house,
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and I came back in to get
my things. He was right in
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front of me, and he reached
down and grabbed the gun, and I
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grabbed it out of his hands and
pulled the trigger. Senah told the despatcher
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that she had shot him twice,
once in the face and once in the
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head. Then she shot him four
additional times quote, just to kill him
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because he was twitching and I knew
he was going to die anyway, and
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he was making funny noises. According
to court documents, Sena said she wanted
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to make sure Ryan was dead because
she knew he was going to die or
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have a completely deformed face. On
this same phone call, Sena told the
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emergency worker that she had waited fifteen
minutes before calling help. Instead of phoning
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nine one one, Sena had called
her mom, who told Sena to hang
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up and call nine one one.
The despatcher instructed Sheena to meet the officers
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at her front door with her hands
held in front of her. About seven
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minutes later, the police arrived.
They instructed Sena to lie on the ground,
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then they took her into custody.
At the police station, the authorities
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pit Sena in a room under video
surveillance. Within minutes, she requested to
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speak to an attorney. However,
without any prompting from the police, she
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began to talk at length about killing
Ryan. For almost three hours, Shana
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would speak to anyone and everyone who
came into the room about Ryan's alleged abuse
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and her self defense. The videos
show her trying to speak to one officer
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who clearly wasn't questioning her. When
she tried to talk to him, he
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brusquely explained, I'm just supposed to
sit with you to get her to stop.
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During this recorded interview, Shana claimed
that Ryan was evil, physically abusive
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to her, and addicted to prescription
pills. That night, Shana said Ryan
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was so whacked out on drugs that
his blue eyes turned black. According to
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Shana, right before she shot Ryan, he was throwing her around the room
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like a rag doll, against furniture, onto the floor, and into the
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television. After Ryan allegedly threw Shana
around, he sat at the dining table
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and screamed insult sat her, saying
he hated her and calling her derogatory names.
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Shana told the authorities quote, he
said, you're just a hillbilly from
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Kentucky, and I am. I
guess the hillbilly came out in me and
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I took up for myself. Then, she said, Ryan reached across the
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table in a threatening manner. She
said she couldn't tell if Ryan was trying
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to get to her or the gun
sitting on the table, so in self
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defense, she grabbed the gun first
and shot him six times. Ran let
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out a loud noise like an animal
that freaked Shana out. She claimed she
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couldn't find her phone. Once she
found it, she called her mom and
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then nine one one. Shana told
one police officer, I don't want to
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go to prison. I don't think
I deserved to. I didn't go over
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there intending to shoot Ryan. I
went over there with the best of intentions.
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I love you, let's work this
relationship out. And he was screaming
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and hitting me. He resorted to
violence, and most notably, Shane told
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the questioning officer that Ryan had wanted
Rhinoplasti for a while. By shooting him
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in the face, Shana said she
gave him, quote the nose job he
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always wanted. According to police Chief
Bill Burkenhower. Each time Shana told the
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story, it evolved in her favor. Chief Berkenhauer told the Kentucky Inquirer she
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made numerous statements. She said the
gun was in his hand. At one
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time, she said the gun was
in the cabinet. Her final story was
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that she picked it up off the
table When she spoke with a nine one
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one operator. Shana said that Ryan
went down after she shot his head twice.
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When she talked with the officers minutes
later, she said Ryan was still
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coming towards her even after shooting him
in the head twice. Chief Berkenhauer was
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also thrown by one startling detail of
Shana's story. She released the safety on
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the gun before she shot Ryan.
To Birkenhauer, that seemed like premeditation,
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not self defense. Investigator's suspicions increased, and Shana was not helping the situation.
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At one point, she pretended to
cry in front of a detective.
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She gasped for air and contorted her
face, but the exact second that he
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left the room, Shana's face returned
to normal. Her emotional theatrics were not
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lost on the police officers watching the
live video feed of Shana's holding room.
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They were referred to her questioning as
the Shana Huber's show because Shana's words felt
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so performative. While alone in the
room, Shana did pirouettes, sang,
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snapped her fingers, and chanted,
I did it, Yep, it was
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me. I killed him. Back
at the crime scene, local authorities found
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Ryan's body on the dining room floor. His shirt was torn. They collected
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the murder weapon, which was Ryan's
own thirty eight caliber handgun. According to
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Chief Barkenhauer, many elements of the
crime scene did not match Shana's version of
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events. Shana said moments before she
shot Ryan, he had thrown her in
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to the TV and a bookshelf,
But the TV and Ryan's condo was fine.
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In fact, it was dusty.
Nothing had touched this TV in a
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long time. The bookshelf Ran had
allegedly thrown Shana into was also undamaged.
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All of the knickknacks on it were
perfectly in place. Photographs taken at the
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station showed that Shana had light bruising
on her shin, but almost no visible
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bruising anywhere else, and all of
the items on the dining room table were
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completely undisturbed. This was strange since
Shana said a mad scramble for Ryan's handgun
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happened at this exact table. Items
like prescription pill bottles and bullets which tip
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over easily were still sitting upright.
Investigators believed that, based on their seating
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arrangement, Ryan's arms should have knocked
the pill bottles and standing bullets over when
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he reached for the gun. The
detectives found there was no sign of a
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struggle in Ryan's condo, with the
position of Ryan's body, the oval dining
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room table, and the door.
The police officers also noted that Sena shot
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Ryan with the unlock door directly behind
her. If Ryan had been verbally and
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physically attacking her, there was nothing
obstructing her ability to leave, and on
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the gun was a trace of Ryan's
blood, which meant at least one shot
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happened very close to Ryan's body,
closer than shooting him across the dining room
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table. The authorities speculated that Sena
probably moved towards Ryan for the final kill
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shots. Based on the autopsy,
experts determined that it was likely that Sena
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shot Ryan three times while he was
sitting, then she shot him three more
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times. After he fell to the
floor, she shot him once in his
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forehead, once in the back of
his head, once in the back,
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once under his arm, and twice
in the chest. Two of the shots
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caused major damage to Ryan's aorda.
Ultimately, he died of blood loss.
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Ryan was probably alive for all six
gunshot wounds. When interviewing Ryan's condo neighbors,
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the police spoke to Vernon and Doris
West. The older couple lived in
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the condo directly below Ryan's for about
a year and a half, during which
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they didn't hear much noise from his
condo. But on the night of the
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murder at eight forty five p m. Minutes before Ryan was shot, Doris
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said she heard a woman crying on
Ryan's back deck. Then Doris heard the
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chair on the deck scooting back.
Seconds later she heard two gunshots, and
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a few seconds after that she heard
four more gunshots. At some point during
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the gunshots, Doris also heard a
thump, as if some one had fallen.
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Vernon heard the same. They both
reported there was no screaming, thumping,
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or loud noises before the gun fire. If Ryan had been throwing shena
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around, neither Doris nor Vernon had
heard it. The night before the murder,
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Doris heard a female crying on Ryan's
back porch. She heard a male
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voice say it's okay, It's okay. Based on the evidence, this was
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probably Ryan consoling Shana after their breakup. Things weren't looking good for Shana,
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but investigators were still missing something motive. Why had Shana shot Ryan? If
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it wasn't in self defense, which
was looking less and less likely, then
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why after eighteen months of the same
emotional roller coaster of a relationship, what
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had pushed Shana from obsession to murder? The answer was simple. On the
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night that Shana killed Ryan, he
had planned a date with none other than
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twenty three year old Audrey Bolt,
otherwise known as Miss Ohio USA two twelve.
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Born in Batavia, Ohio, Audrey
won her very first beauty pageant and
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was crowned Miss Batavia in two thousand
and twelve. Then she won Miss Ohio
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USA two thousand and twelve, receiving
over fifty thousand dollars in scholarship awards.
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In the spring of two twelve,
about six months before Ryan's murder, Audrey
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was named second runner up for the
Miss us A title not bad for a
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young woman so new to the pageant
circuit. Similar to Shana and Ryan,
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Audrey had also met Ryan on Facebook
on January twenty seventh, two twelve.
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They became Facebook friends, but it
wasn't until October twenty twelve that Audrey and
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Ryan began interacting. According to Audrey, at all started when Ryan left a
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funny and interesting comment on one of
her posts she was asking for movie reviews.
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This turned into Audrey and Ryan chatting
through Facebook messages. Her first impression
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of Ryan was that he was witty
and clever. She liked that their conversations
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were light hearted with lots of fun
banter. After a few Facebook messages,
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Ryan and Audrey exchanged phone numbers and
began texting. On October twelfth, twenty
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twelve, Audrey and Ryan planned to
go to a low key dive bar to
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grab drinks and play pool. They
originally planned to meet at nine pm,
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but Audrey pushed back the time to
ten thirty due to a family funeral.
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In their text conversation, Ryan asked
Audrey if he should change out of his
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suit and tie, and she said
yes. A few media outlets speculated that
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Ryan's need to change clothes might have
been the only reason he returned to his
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condo that evening. He never showed
up to the date with Audrey. When
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investigators asked if Shana knew about Ryan's
interest in Audrey Bolt, she said no,
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she had never heard of Audrey,
but this was a lie. Shana
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had a bad habit of hacking into
Ryan's Facebook account to see what he was
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up to, and two days after
Ryan and Audrey had become Facebook friends,
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on January twenty ninth, two thousand
twelve, Shana searched for Audrey's name on
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Facebook. Shana searched Audrey's name again
in June two thousand twelve, and on
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October tenth, two thousand twelve,
two days before killing Ryan, Sena saved
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a photo of Audrey to her phone. Investigators believed that Ryan told Sena about
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his date with Audrey, which was
what motived her to kill Ryan that night.
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The police arrested Shana for murder the
next day, Saturday, October thirteenth,
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twenty twelve, Ryan's father, Jay, received a voicemail while riding his
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bike. It said, mister Poston, we have a body here which we
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think may be a member of your
family. Three minutes later, Ryan's mother
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called Jay. At that moment,
Jay knew his son was dead. He
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told the Cincinnati Enquirer, literally,
in the blink of an eye, everything
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that you have known in your life
is forever gone, just destroyed. Weeks
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after Shana shot Ryan, Jay went
to Ryan's condo. He lay down in
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Ryan's blood and screamed. Then he
scrubbed his son's blood off the walls and
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floor. Jay kept Ryan's dog,
a Maltese Yorkie mix named Oliver. He
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told the Cincinnati Enquirer, I see
the spirit of Ryan and this little dog.
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When describing how Ryan's death impacted his
life, Jay said he struggled to
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be happy. Part of that is
guilt, He explained. If you start
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getting better, if you are happy, you were doing a disservice to your
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child. I do know that's not
true, but it's still there eating at
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you. Bryan's family was aware that
Ryan had been trying to remove Shana from
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his life, but was scared of
hurting her feelings, and one statement,
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the family said he was trying to
move on with his life. Tragically,
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his life was taken from him.
In another statement, they said, our
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only solace is an unwavering confidence.
In our legal system and our strong belief
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that justice shall be served. After
Sena was arrested, she was held at
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the Campbell County Detention Center in Newport. Her bond was set at a steep
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two million. She couldn't make Bell, so Shena remained in jail until her
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twenty fifteen, Shana's trial began.
From the beginning, Shana maintained that
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she fatally shot Ryan. The only
question for the jury to determine was why.
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In the three years before Shanah's trial, this case received extensive media coverage
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a beautiful young woman had killed her
beautiful ex boyfriend. In response to the
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increased media attention, the presiding judge
only allowed one TV camera inside the courtroom.
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All live coverage, including social media
posts, was banned. Still,
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reporters from national news outlets including ABC, CBS, and NBC took notes in
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the courtroom during the trial. The
prosecution argued that Shanah did not kill Ryan
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in self defense, but in cold
blood. According to the state, Shana
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went into a jealous rage after discovering
that Ryan had planned a date with a
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new woman just a day after their
latest break up. As evidence, the
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prosecution relied heavily on Shanah's own words. They played Shana's nine one one phone
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call, where her original story was
vastly different from what she would tell the
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authorities later. Then they showed Shanah's
recorded police interview, which was, as
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you know, incredibly damning. On
one occasion, when the officers walked out
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of the room, Shana said to
herself, I'm so good at acting.
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And they brought three of Shanah's fellow
inmates to the stand, Holly Nivens,
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Donna Dooley, and Cecily Miller.
Since Shana had been in jail for so
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long, she had gotten quite comfortable
discussing her crime with these women. At
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first, Shanah told Hall that Ryan
had abused her physically and sexually, but
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after some time, Shana revealed to
Holly that she, not Ryan, was
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the aggressor. Shana would regularly throw
stuff around Ryan's condo to try and convince
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his neighbors they were fighting. She
gave herself bruises on her arms and showed
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them to people, claiming that Ryan
assaulted her. One time, Shana drew
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a diagram of Ryan's dining room on
the back of a napkin. So she
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could better explain to Holly how she
had killed Ryan. Shana also explained to
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Holly her plan to get diagnosed with
a mental disorder so she could convince the
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court she was crazy. In the
same vein, Shana told Cecily that she
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was going to plead insanity, but
she was too smart because she had the
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IQ of Einstein, so she was
going to plead bettered wife's syndrome. Previously,
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Shana underwent a psychological evaluation to make
sure she was fit to stand trial.
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She scored an IQ of one twenty
five, which is in the ninety
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fifth percentile. This might have been
what Shena was referring to when she told
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Cecily she had the IQ of Einstein
and if you're wondering, I'll save you
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the Google. Einstein's i Q was
over one sixty during that psycho vow.
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The psychologist also diagnosed Shena with symptoms
of being a narcissist. The psychologist remarked
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that Sena didn't understand that others didn't
find her accomplishments and achievements as interesting as
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she did. Shena's additional diagnoses included
PTSD personality disorder, and bipolar disorder.
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At the trial, the psychologist agreed
that these ailments did not excuse Shena from
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murder. And last, but not
least, Donna told the court exactly how
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the murder played out. She testified
that Sena told me they were sitting at
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the kitchen table. He was sitting
at the table and he had his gun
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on the table. She told me. She picked up the gun and said,
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what would you do fi, and
he smirked, and she shot him.
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All three women explained that Senah killed
Ryan because he was breaking up with
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her and going on a date with
a new woman, and all three women
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said that Sna expressed no remorse for
her actions. Instead, Sena was known
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to laugh when describing the murder,
and when Sena was on the phone in
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the jail, she would pretend to
cry while simultaneously smiling and winking at her
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fellow inmates. Keep in mind,
sometimes testimony from a defendant's fellow inmate is
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questionable. Usually they have received some
sort of deal, like getting a lighter
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sentence in exchange for throwing someone under
the bus. They might be motivated to
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lie so they can get out of
prison faster. But Donna, Holly,
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and Cecily received nothing in return for
their testimony against Sena Hubers. In preparation
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for the trial, relevant officials reviewed
over fifty thousand text messages and twenty thousand
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Facebook messages between Ryan and Sana the
prosecution and used them to show that Shana
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was angry with Ryan. Near the
time of the murder. Shana texted a
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friend quote, my love for him
has turned into hate. She texted another
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person, he's such a loser.
Another message said, he says he's only
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with me because he feels so awful
when he breaks up with me. And
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of course, don't forget the text
exchange we've already covered when she threatened to
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kill him accidentally at a shooting range
in a tragic case of irony. Shana's
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text messages also revealed that she was
seeing multiple other men without Ryan's knowledge.
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She wrote to a friend quote,
it's going to be hard one day to
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choose between him and Ryan. One
means the future and one means being with
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someone I love who doesn't love me
as much. She also texted the friend,
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I'm in love with this other guy. A month before she killed Ryan,
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she texted a friend about getting an
STD and wrote who knows who I
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got it from, right. Sena, who became murderous at the news that
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Ryan was seeing other people, was
seeing other people herself. Its almost Shakespearian.
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In response, Sheena's defense team maintained
that she acted in self defense.
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They admitted that Senna's behavior towards Ryan
was obsessive, but claimed that did not
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make her a murderer. Most of
their arguments were predicated on smearing Ryan's reputation.
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According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, they
argued that he was a gun nut
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whose career was falling apart. They
claimed that Ryan was enduring the pressure of
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his career, an ongoing lawsuit with
his former law partner, and had a
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prescription pill problem. As a result
of this immense personal and professional stress,
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Ryan snapped and attacked Sena. Since
Ryan was a tall man at six three
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and Senna was only five four,
she was forced to shoot him in self
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defense. The defense used text messages
from Ryan to depict him as a troubled,
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violent man. For example, Ryan
wrote to a friend, my brain
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has a trip wire in there somewhere, and if it snaps, I worry
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what could happen? He texted someone
else, I'm starting to feel like life
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passed by me while I was making
brilliant plans for it. Other text messages
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indicated that Ryan might have had a
problem overusing prescription pills, but the court
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didn't allow most of these messages to
be submitted as evidence. Ryan sent them
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seven months before his death, so
there was reason to believe that Ryan had
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stopped abusing prescription pills. Shana's defense
explained that Shana and Ryan had not broken
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up. They were still boyfriend and
girlfriend. They pointed out that Shana still
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had toiletries at Ryan's condo. However, by Shana's own admission, her mom
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was helping her get her stuff out
of Ryan's condo on the day of the
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murder, and one of the last
text messages Ryan sent to Shana read,
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I think I need some time by
myself this weekend. Still, the defense
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tried to establi that Ryan and Shana
were a couple so that they could claim
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that Shana lived in Ryan's condo.
You see, if Shana lived in the
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condo, she might have been protected
under Kentucky's stand your ground law. This
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law states that you can use deadly
force and self defense in your own home
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even if you have the opportunity to
escape danger by exiting your home, which
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we know Shana did since she was
near the front door, you don't have
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to. Instead, you can stand
your ground and hurt someone who seeks to
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harm you. But Shana and Ryan
were not living together. In Shana's video
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recorded police interview, they asked if
they were, and she clearly said no.
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When they asked what Shana's address was, she provided a different address from
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Ryan's condo. Shana's trial lasted nine
days. Although she didn't take the stand,
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the jury heard over forty other witness
testimonies. They reviewed over one hundred
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pieces of evidence, and on April
twenty third, twenty fifteen, they left
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the court room to deliberate. Everyone
was left to wonder would Shana be allowed
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to walk free. After deliberating for
five hours, the jury convicted twenty three
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year old Shannah Hubers of murdering Ryan
Poston three years earlier. Everyone was in
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agreement Shana had not killed Ryan in
self defense. Later, a juror explained
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that the entire jury had immediately agreed
on Shanah's guilt. They spent the majority
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of their five hours deciding what sentence
to suggest for her. Even the judge
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said, I never heard a word
or saw a look from her that said
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I'm sorry. As far as Shannah's
sentence goes, the prosecution was seeking prison
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for life, which Ryan's family supported. One of his sisters testified, when
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you never get to say bye to
someone and you know they were in so
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much pain, your heart is breaking, your heart actually feels like it's crumbling
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in your chest, your heart feels
empty. I never got to say goodbye
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to my brother. I never got
to hug my brother one last time.
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He made us complete, and without
him, there is always the chair that's
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going to be empty. There is
no amount of time that will take away
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what was taken from us. Ultimately, the jury recommended that Shanaby sentenced to
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forty years in prison. She would
be eligible for parole in twenty years,
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when she would be just forty three
years old. Afterward, Ryan's family expressed
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their disappointment. Her mother said a
forty year sentence was a shallow victory.
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Ryan's stepfather said, it's very bitter
sweet. We have gotten justice. Ryan
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loved the law, and this is
what the law has given us. We'll
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take that. It's okay, And
that seemed like the end of that things
634
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:52.519
were bitter sweet, but okay.
The legal system delivered as much justice as
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it could, and Shana went to
prison. But in January two thousand and
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sixteen months after her conviction, Shana
sought a retrial, and in a rare
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occurrence, she got it. When
looking over Shane's A Pill documents, Dina
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Denison, one of Shanah's lawyers,
realized that she recognized a juror from Shanah's
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trial jurn Number four eighty three,
a fifty three year old man named David
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Craig. Dinah had represented him in
November nineteen ninety two, when David had
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not paid over eight thousand dollars in
child support. He pled guilty to the
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crime, which was a low level
felony in Kentucky, and in Kentucky,
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convicted felons cannot serve on juries.
Suddenly, the nation was in an uproar.
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Was Shana going to escape any more
prison time on a technicality? How
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could this happen? As it turned
out, David Craig, the one person
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who shouldn't be serving on a jury, was thrilled about jury duty. When
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he received his summons, he was
beside himself. He told the Cincinnati Enquirer.
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I was so proud I got to
serve on a jury, to serve
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my community. I think I'm the
first one of my family to ever serve
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on a jury. By his own
admission, David writes at about a third
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grade level, so his longtime girlfriend
helped him fill out the acquired juror questionnaire.
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When they came to the question are
you a convicted felon, they simply
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checked the no box instead of the
yes one. According to David, he
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had no idea he was a convicted
felon. He had almost forgotten about the
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child support snaphew from over twenty years
before. Later, David told court officials
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that he didn't believe he was a
felon. David explained that felon's go to
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prison. He was just behind on
child support payments. David told the Cincinnati
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Inquirer, I wonder, will twenty
deputies come here to arrest me? If
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forgetting us wrong, then lock me
up? I guess. Lucky for David,
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they did not lock him up.
No perjury charges were pressed, so
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on August twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, the Campbell's Circuit Court awarded sham Huber's
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a new trial Ryan's family was devastated. A new trial meant a new opportunity
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for Shana to escape justice. Ryan's
father said that his son's murder was a
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wound that just wouldn't heal. Then
Shanah's retrial was delayed for two years.
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I'm going to pause now for a
final commercial break. Shana hired a new
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out of state lawyer who needed extra
time to research the case. Finally,
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on August eighth, twenty eighteen,
now twenty seven year old Shana Michelle Huber's
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second trial for the murder of Ryan
Carter Poston began. It was almost six
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years after his death. This time, Shana did testify in her own defense.
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It did not go well. She
admitted to showing possessive and controlling behaviors
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in her relationship with Ryan. She
agreed that when Ryan tried to end things,
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she would flood him with tech messages
even though he did not respond.
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Sometimes she would contact him from a
different phone because she knew that he wouldn't
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respond if he recognized the number.
When Shana had the opportunity, she searched
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Ryan's phone for evidence of cheating and
blocked other women through Ryan's Facebook account.
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During one breakup, Shana faked a
heart condition to gain Ryan's sympathy. The
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prosecution suggested that the stroke like symptoms
Shana displayed on October eleventh were probably another
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false attempt to earn Ryan's attention.
Shana's main defense strategy rested on revealing every
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sort of detail of her in Ryan's
sex life. She claimed that Ryan was
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frustrated that she couldn't achieve orgasm easily. In response, Ryan abused her or
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threatened to abuse her. For the
most part, the prosecution presented largely the
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same case, Shana killed Ryan Enna. If I can't have him, no
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one can fit. However, the
prosecution did bring a new witness to the
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table. On the day of Ryan's
murder, Shana and her mother went to
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a nearby mall. One of the
shop workers testified. They said that Shannah
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came into their store visibly angry.
She was upset because her boyfriend was going
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on a date with another woman.
According to this shop worker, Shana said
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she was going to kill her boyfriend. Originally, the shop worker didn't call
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the police, but when the media
coverage of Shanah gained speed, including a
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two part CBS forty eight Hours special, they recognized Shana. On August twenty
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ninth, twenty eighteen, after three
and a half hours of deliberation, the
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jury convicted Shana of murder. This
time, they recommended that Shana receive a
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life sentence, and in October twenty
eighteen, she did. She still will
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be eligible for parole in twenty thirty
two. She will be only forty one
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years old if she gets out.
Shana's mother, Sharon, still maintains that
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her daughter shot Ryan in self defense. She told CBS forty eight Hours she
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has a heart of gold. She's
like her mommy, a loving spirit.
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Ryan's elementary school started a memorial scholarship
in his name. By two fifteen,
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the donation based award was ever one
hundred thousand dollars. According to the Kentucky
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Inquirer, it's given to a sixth
grader who demonstrates kindness, compassion, and
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caring for others. North Kentucky University
also started a memorial scholarship in Ryan's name.
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On the anniversary of Ryan's death,
his family and friends gathered at his
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grave site. They prayed, shared
memories, and took shots of Ryan's favorite
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Woodford Reserve bourbon. There is a
reason I chose Ryan's story to tell,
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not just because Shana was a female
stalker, but also her false accusations about
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Ryan. Shana Hubers made a false
claim of domestic abuse. This is rare.
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Only three percent of domestic violence allegations
are false, meaning ninety seven percent
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of them are true. When a
woman says her partner abuses her, it
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is statistically in your favor to believe
her. False allegations of domestic violence happen
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more often when the woman, not
the man, is the abuser. According
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to George Mason University, seventy three
percent of men who experienced female perpetrated violence
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reported that the woman threatened to make
false accusations. The female abusers use false
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accusations as a tool to manipulate control
and maintain power over their victims. Any
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demographic of people will have liars,
men and women. Some people want to
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save their skin no matter the cost. And every time people make false claims
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of abuse, they negatively impact society's
perception of actual domestic violence victims. And
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the other issue in this case is
that Ryan did not comfortable reporting Shanea's stalking.
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He wasn't perfect. It was definitely
a toxic relationship, but He also
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felt he should be able to handle
it himself. Even his poor father had
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that thought. Men often don't report
stalking or abuse because of ingrained feelings of
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masculinity. They think they should be
able to handle it. As men,
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they are raised to believe they can
handle their own problems, especially when it
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comes to relationships. It isn't manly
to ask for help. We need to
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advocate more for men as a society. We need to normalize the reality that
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men are also abused, They are
also stalked, and as in Ryan's case,
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it can be deadly. Ryan was
raised by two lovely, thoughtful men.
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Even though they could see how toxic
the relationship was, they trusted their
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son to be able to resolve it
on his own safely. Ryan was smart
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and successful. He was a lawyer. He was handsome and had no self
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esteem issues. He knew Shana was
bad news and should not be in his
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life, but he was more worried
about hurting her, and he could not
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see the danger he was in until
it was too late. Southern frid True
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Crime is hosted and produced by me
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