Chapter 8 | Chapter and Verse

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Speaker 1: This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual assault and abuse involving children. Listener discretion is advised. In the fall of twenty sixteen, Anthony Pippa walked out of court a free man after decades in prison for the murder of Joseph Wright. He'd been found not guilty of all charges in that crime, second degree murder acquitted, first degree rape acquitted. It was his third and final trial on those charges. But this was the first Putnam jury to hear the truth. The truth about the criminal misconduct of the cops who framed Anthony and his best friend Andy from murder, the truth about the teens those Putnam cops coerced into falsely accusing the two boys, and the truth about the man who should have been there to target the devil in the woods, Howard Gombert. On the day of his acquittal, Anthony felt well a dozen different things. Yes, he'd climb the mountain and was free to go home now, but home was a place that had demonized him and would never let him know a moment's peace. Andy, meanwhile, was still rotting in prison, would have to fight his own way home. And then there was Gombert. Gombert you'll recall, was in prison himself doing a thirty year bid from multiple chargers, including sexual assault on seven year old Sarah. But for Gombert, the thirty years will only be twenty seven, after which he'll walk out of prison a free ma'am. As I taped these words, that moment is close at hand. In the past few months, the doc has advanced the date of his lease, currently set to leave prison in January of twenty seven, and when Connecticut cuts him loose, it'll be with no pearl mean ingingumber will be free to simply vanish, unseen, to.

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Speaker 2: Go back to that tent in the woods if he likes, and there he'll wait, brooding and seething till a time and place of his choosing.

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Speaker 1: You, my madmss.

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Speaker 3: Laughter, my fears. Sorrow's depths are endless. Valley of the ars. I want to see your revelation now, and no.

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Speaker 4: War.

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Speaker 5: I'm reading out.

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Speaker 3: A desperatetion to the one who's holding the stars, to.

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Speaker 1: The one who's holding.

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Speaker 3: Holding the stars.

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Speaker 1: This is the Devil's quarry. By now, you've surely grappled with a question that's haunted me since I first reported this story. Why didn't multiple police departments in Putnam County give Gombert a whole pass, either by ignoring or destroying piles of evidence that pointed in his direction. Mark Agniffolo, the lawyer acquitted Anthony, is haunted by those questions too.

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Speaker 6: I've never gotten to the bottom of why Castaldo didn't investigate Gomber. That's the great unanswered question in the case. They really bent over backwards to try to make this case against Anthony and Andy and Gombert, who's a live suspect.

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Speaker 1: Right under their nose.

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Speaker 6: You know, they have no interest in making that case, you know, and I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: Of the many Putnam cops who were corrupt or incompetent, it was Castaldo who ran the Joe Zette case. What on earth was he thinking when he'd steered away from Gomber? That was the question on Anthony's mind. After his acquittal. In twenty sixteen, he filed a federal lawsuit against Castaldo and his cronies, seeking millions in reparations for his years in prison and a generous heaping of revenge. In post conviction lawsuits, the state county often stalls delaying in hopes the plaintiff settles cheaply Putnam County seems to have tried that. They made Anthony waite for three years for a resolution. But as civil lawyer Nick Preston used that time, well, he went after those cops again and again in pre trial depositions, and when he got them in the chair, he'd swept them for hours. First up in the hot seat was Built Quick, Nostaldo's partner. Straight from the gate. Quick conceded the obvious that he never looked at anyone but Anthony and Andy for the murder of Josette.

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Speaker 7: Our mandate was to continue with the investigation that we were doing, okay, and we were investigating Anthony Depupo and Andy Kreebac at that time.

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Speaker 1: Besides, he claims there were colleagues on his squad looking at other suspects.

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Speaker 8: I take it you understood that one of the suspects that they were looking at, it presumably was Comport. You mentioned suspects. I think you said plural. Was it Jess Compert or was the other people?

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Speaker 1: I think it was just bombering.

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Speaker 8: And who were the other officers that were investigating in the other suspects?

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Speaker 1: So I have no idea to repeat, Quick says he has no idea.

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Speaker 8: So all right, So during the course of your to your investigation, you never learn who, if anybody, was investigating other suspects. No, all right, were you curious as to what that other investigation was uncovering and who was doing it.

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Speaker 7: We were told to stay on point with this investigation and do not get involved with that investigation. That if something happened with that investigation that would impact on our investigation, we would be noted.

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Speaker 8: For okay, But you were never curious enough to say, hey, guys, what's going on with the Compert investigation? Are you guys doing it?

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Speaker 1: That never happened introduction, Not that I can remember.

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Speaker 8: You were in the dark about what they were doing.

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Speaker 7: Basically, we stayed in the dark with it. We were we were told, we were given a direct letter, okay, do not get involved with this, it will mess up your focus on this investigation.

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Speaker 1: Alas, that's not what his colleagues told Bruston under oath two of them had gathered stacks of evidence incriminating Howard Gombert and given every scrap of that evidence to back Castaldo. What else did those other cops admit to Preston that, of course Howard Gombert was the suspect in Josette's murder, that of course they knew he raped young girls. Everyone in the office knew that, they said. Next cop in the Lions den Castaldo Breuston went adam for days under oath. Here's Costaldo dodging questions about that other investigation, the one that Bill Quick described.

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Speaker 8: So you certainly you agree with Quick that you did not conduct any investigation into Gombert after he became a person of interest. Correct, That would be done by other people. Do you disagree with that? Yes, sir, you do disagree with that. Yes, you think you were free to. You were free to investigate Compert if you thought that would be appropriate.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't told not to. That's their question.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So your decision not to investigate Gombert, the decision not to conduct any investigation into Gombert, was your decision, correct, objection.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't a decision.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't in I was looking into other people.

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Speaker 1: And why didn't he look into Howard Gombert?

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Speaker 9: He wasn't in the line of investigation where we would look into that.

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Speaker 5: The information we got Gombert was not in the picture.

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Speaker 8: You ruled out Gombert as being involved in this case.

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Speaker 1: So from the information when received, yes, sir, but again, why on? Matty repeatedly gave no answer except to say that Gombert was considered cleared. Over months of depositions, Preston caught Castaldo and Quick in one contradiction after another, the anyone after the DA's office. He found proof of witness tampering that stretched back a decade and what I can only describe is brazen acts perjury by the current Deputy DA. Suddenly the county was desperate to settle. In days, It's offered Anthony jump from a quarter million dollars to twelve million bucks payable immediately. Though he promised himself he wouldn't stop grinding until he'd gotten the truth about Gombered. Anthony had gone as far as he could. He badly needed the money and the chance to start over, to pull up stakes and get far far away from this misbegotten place, and so in the summer of twenty twenty he settled with Putnham County. But before he left town, he turned over every file he had on Putnam County to me.

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Speaker 10: For years, I had to be I was the chief investigator, telling these guys what we need to do and why we need to do it and now to take I don't want to take a backseat because I am going to be very proactive here. I don't feel like the weight of the world is on me in a sense, like the heart of what I was doing for so many years is Paul's heart now.

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Speaker 1: In the course of our investigation, we filed a foil request with the Putnam Sheriff's Records Division. We wanted all the Sheriff's records on Howard Gombert getting back to the early eighties, but the clerk resisted till we got our lawyers involved. Then currently informed us that the records on this person were destroyed. They didn't say how so. No, we still don't know why the cops excluded Gombert as a suspect in Josette's murder. But I'm going to take a minute here to sketch some of the evidence Castaldo had in his possession. Let's start with Josette's family. The day the Putnam cops found her bones, they broke the awful news to her mom, Susan, and the first words out of Susan Wright's mouth, as recorded by the cops on the scene, oh my god, Howard Gombre killed my daughter. Then those cops interviewed Josette's sister, Chloe. She told the cops that Gombert had raped her classmate Rachel r and that Gombert was at Rachel's place a lot when Josette was over there. We know that those cops passed those facts on to Castaldo, along with the fact that Gombert had offered Josette a babysitting job just weeks before she went missing. We know that Gombert's previous babysitter, Amy Farranda, had just been raped by a man matching Gombert's description, and that Amy, then seventeen, looked a lot like Josette, tall, lawn and beautiful. We also know that Gombert lived close to Amy, in fact, right around the corner from her house, and that he knew about her sneaking out late at night to meet her boyfriend. He knew that because she'd naively let it slip to Gombert. We know that on the day Josette disappeared, October third, nineteen ninety four, she was seen getting into a red car with Connecticut plates. We know from Gombert's girlfriend Anne Marie, that she owned the red and black car with Connecticut plates. We know that Gombert drove that car all the time. We know he admitted giving Josette a ride on her about the day she vanished in that car. But there's more, much more. Costaldo had to have known. He knew about Gombert's criminal mo the hunting knife, he always carried, the elaborate rope knots he tied the underwear, and his victims mouths. The obsession with a particular kind of child, tall, pretty blonde girls, preferably prepubescent. In short, the exact presentation found in Joseph Wright's remains. Five years ago, I made countless attempts to question Pat Costaldo. He retired by then, so I tried his home phone in Vain. I asked the Sheriff's office and the Putnam DA to forward my questions to him. Nothing did on my efforts to reach any Putnam cops who'd had dealings with Howard Gombert. I called the Carmel PD, who'd been looking at Gombert hard for the disappearance of a second young girl. I called the Ken PD who'd botched the Amy Farranda rape case, then tossed the forensic evidence in the trash. I tried the Putnam Sheriff's office hoping someone would pick up there by. Now you can guess how that turned out. And so, with no one left to ask, I went to the source. In the summer of twenty one, I found Gombert in prison. What follows after the break are taped excerpts of those calls. I like climbing, I got going down. That's the voice of Gombert himself saying he's fine talking to me. With a guy like Gombert, you don't barge right in. You work your way up to what you want. And so I started not by asking about Josette, but about his surviving female accusers. Grey is on his ex girlfriend Anne Marie, the girl he impregnated when she was sixteen and who then charged him with years of rapes, her beating her.

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Speaker 5: Did I beat her?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely no?

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Speaker 11: Did you sodomize her against her will?

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Speaker 5: No? We never had that kind.

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Speaker 11: Did you choke her?

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Speaker 5: Did I ever her her?

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Speaker 3: Probably?

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Speaker 1: That's Gombert saying he probably grabbed her by the neck. Did you choke her till she passed down?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 11: Ablutely she says, you did.

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Speaker 1: I asked him about Colleen, his first victim so far as we know. She said she was twelve when she reported him to the cops in.

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Speaker 11: The early eighties. How about Colleen Caruso?

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Speaker 5: What about her?

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Speaker 11: When did you start having sex with her?

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Speaker 5: I don't know all years old?

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Speaker 1: That's Gombert saying he was fifteen at the.

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Speaker 11: Time, right, she was eleven?

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Speaker 1: Oh, she wasn't What was she.

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Speaker 5: Was the year too younger than me?

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Speaker 11: No, she wasn't a kid.

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Speaker 5: I'm the fucking kid. I don't remember that. I remember all the week we hadn't related were eighteen.

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Speaker 1: For the record, Colleen is almost exactly four years younger than Gombert, so if he started having sex with her at age fifteen, that would make her eleven. Then then I turned to Rachel, who was eight when he moved in with and began raping both Rachel and her mom. I asked him if he'd raped and beat her repeatedly between the ages of eight and thirteen.

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Speaker 11: Did you choke till she passed out?

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Speaker 5: Laid a hand on?

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Speaker 11: Did you rape her when she was eighteen and living in Paulling.

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Speaker 5: No, I did be in her have hit new Fairfield hit balling.

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Speaker 11: Ye, I'm sorry you say you did have sex with her on several occasions.

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Speaker 5: Federal dated between the Fairfield and Paulin they would come to my father Don.

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Speaker 1: He says they had sex on several occasions at his father's house. But for the record, Rachel was in middle school when she accused him of rape. Howard, why are all these women giving chapter in verse, women who, by the way, don't know each other. They're all telling the same story about you. Your mo never varies.

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Speaker 5: People that bet with the DOORI her binding and all that. How did they talk to the Tipple of the Guaranian.

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Speaker 1: That's Gombert saying that the basis for these accusations was Anthony and his lawyers, or, more to the point, Anthony's stepdad, Big O'larry, who, according to Gomber, bribe those girls to falsely accuse him of rape. The problem with his claim is that Colleen came forward when Anthony was four years old, and Rachel came forward when Anthony was around twelve, and so on down the line. Meanwhile, I went through my list of victims till I came to joe'st right.

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Speaker 12: I could go there that I've heard Alli's story, He pulled the you know, I'm Joe's dead. Yeah, it's funny.

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Speaker 5: How not of this you said? And tell him that put his money.

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Speaker 1: Started flowing before my cause with Gombert, and there were several back to back. I'd had a talk with myself in the mirror, don't go in hot, don't rise to the bait. Just let the man speak and hang himself. But at that point I BELI, Oh, my stack.

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Speaker 11: Howard.

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Speaker 1: The point of the story is that you obviously killed Josette. You have done.

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Speaker 11: How did I?

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Speaker 5: How did how did I kill Joe?

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Speaker 1: I I'm sorry you met her once? What is that what you're saying? Is that what you're saying you met her once? I've got five witnesses who said you met her repeatedly. And then I slammed down the phone. But the oddest thing happened after my story ran Gumbert wrote me from prison, big fat letters, and there in those letters were multiple admissions of crimes he had committed or intended to when he got out. He admitted, for instance, to having sex with Rachel while she was under age. He admitted of filming her and taking snaps of her naked. But Gombert didn't stop there. To this day, he goes on writing letters to my co producers. He offers a self incrimination. We hadn't even asked for he writes about Amy Farranda, the former babysitter who said Gombert raped her shortly before Josette vanished. Gombert tells us he'd been with her on the night of the rape. Till that letter, we'd had only Amy's word that she and Gombert knew each other. Now he both confirmed it and walked us right up to the night of the rape. Here were a couple of excerpts from those letters. They're read by my colleague Rob.

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Speaker 9: I know her very well, in fact, had been with her earlier the night she was attacked, and with her afterwards.

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Speaker 1: I was with her for a.

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Speaker 9: Bit sometime around or after seven pm before the assault. To be honest, Semie, guessing it was so long ago, she stopped buying her way home. She was going to come by later too. She would stop by late at night, off and on the way to see a boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: She did not show up later that night.

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Speaker 9: I believe that it was a day or so later when I next saw her and she told me what happened to her.

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Speaker 1: But the most disturbing thing he sent me were his threats to surviving victims. He named them one by one, said he was going to confront them when he got out of prison.

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Speaker 9: I can't wait for the day that I see Rachel. My life is totally fucked. Even if the truth comes out and I'm released, Me and Rachel have already had to talk about her and all our lives and half truths, so she already knows what she has coming. But for now I'm debating just how I should destroy her life as she's tried to do to mine. I think it'll just start by proving her to be a lying horse.

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Speaker 1: She is. He couldn't be any clear that he's bent on vengeance when he gets out of prison. Several months ago, we went back to Rachel's we wound down our reporting on this series. Rachel's in her forties now, a single mom of grown children. She's worked service sector jobs since her teens to support them and has never known a life without struggle. But she's one of those moms who's poured everything she had into raising and loving those kids. She's always on FaceTime with one or another. She needs to see them as well as hear them, and somehow she's managed to carve out space from mindfulness and peace. Her house is the sanctuary of books and plush fabrics. And spiritual reliquaries. Clear she spent decades healing herself and has come a far distance on her own. But this is when we learned we weren't the only ones. Gombert wrote too. A few years ago, Rachel got a letter in the mail. She didn't have to read the return address to know who'd written it. She could feel that in her glands.

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Speaker 4: This son of a bitch is in jail. How did he find out where I currently am?

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Speaker 1: That letter, needless to say, was from Gombert.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what voodoo he had in that letter or and I'm saying that because I literally lost my mind.

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Speaker 1: Rachel described that to a reporter of Kathleen.

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Speaker 13: What does losing your mind look like?

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Speaker 2: In that moment?

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Speaker 5: What happened?

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Speaker 4: It was after the letter, and I was cleaning out my house of like trying to you know, that's part of pealing, getting rid of things that you don't carry anymore. And I did a lot of that, and remember standing in my house going is there anything else?

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Speaker 13: It didn't take long before I was standing in front of this picture that was over my fireplace mantle.

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Speaker 1: The painting depicted two gunships on fire in the Shooting War, with each.

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Speaker 4: Other, this picture belongs to my mom, And all I heard was yeah, but it came from him.

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Speaker 1: Rachel's mom, who'd been badly abused by Gombert, passed away a few years earlier. I, without second and guessing, took that picture off my mantle.

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Speaker 4: I brought it outside. I laid it on my patio table. I took a razor blade and I exed it from corner to corner, big eggs. And when I did that, something came out of that picture. It was an energy, and I felt like I freed my mom and I burnt it and that hel was my mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah h h.

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Speaker 4: And I went through the biggest most I I don't even know how to explain it, Like it like the dark Knight of the Soul?

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Speaker 1: Is this the is this the letter?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: How do you feel with that letter sitting right there on the on the table. I've only held onto it because I didn't I needed proof, you know, like just he shouldn't have even wrote me anything. One of the things that he said in the letter was that he would get the people from back then to say that I was lying or something, and good luck, good luck, good luck. You could say that I'm lying. But does the evidence say that I'm lying.

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Speaker 13: Anything that comes to mind about him getting out.

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Speaker 4: I'll be looking over my shoulder again.

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Speaker 13: I should be proud of myself of how far I've come, and there.

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Speaker 4: Are times where I'm like, yeah, I am, you know I am. I'm still here. I made it because I didn't think I was ever going to make it this far. So I just want to be free.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible to see with Gombert's victims and not want that for each of them. But instead of looking out for Gombert's victims, the authorities and Putnam looked out for themselves while leaving Gombert free to roam the county. Here's a partial list of the Putnam County lawmen who gave Howard Gombert a pass. In twenty fourteen, Pack Costaldo was caught on camera stopping and choking a handcuffed defendant. Costaldo was arrested and charged with three crimes, including a felony. Instead of sending him to jail, though, the county sent him out to pasture, gave Murley retirement at full rank and pension. Detective Kevin Doushkov, the cop who took Amy Farranda's statement about being raped and then failed to investigate her attack. He's no longer a cop there because he's now a judge in Putnam County. Then there's Bald Leader, Anthony's ethically challenged lawyer, the guy who botched his first trial in nineteen ninety seven. He's not only still a lawyer, he's also a judge in Putnam County. And finally, Dan Stevens, the Putnam cop slash polygraph expert who coerced a false confession for Mandy Krevak. He was caught red handed framing another innocent team for the murder of his schoolgirl classmate. That teen Jeffrey Deskovic spent sixteen years in prison before the Innocence Project helped secure his release. After he was exonerated, Dskovic sued Stevens and was awarded forty one million in damages by a jury. That was the end of Stephens as a cop, but not as a Putnam official, because then he turned around and became the county corner, proving once and for all that in Putnam County, no bad deed goes punished. Given the cowardice and the cruelty of those Putnam officials, it's left to others to seek justice for Gombert's victims, and so, with no one else to turn to, we've taken the lead. As I tape this, our lawyers are in talks with state officials, officials who have the power to arrest Gombert at any point, including the day of his release, although curiously, the Putnam Sheriff has reopened Josette's case just weeks before our series runs in full. But given past performance, we have little confidence in that department, and so we offer this plea to Letitia James, the Attorney General of New York State. Under state law, she can detain Gombert indefinitely using something called civil commitment. That statute applause to so called SVPs, or sexually violent predators, as they're known. In the eyes of this reporter and my team of co producers, there's no one who fits that description better than Howard John Gombert Junior. When I first met Anthony in January of twenty one, he was a newly wealthy man. He had his check for twelve million from Putnam County minus' lawyer's cut. He had an additional five million from New York State for those wrongful years behind bars. He bought himself a penthouse in Westchester County and filled it with expensive toys. He had a girlfriend who loved him, and the freedom to travel widely. At forty three, he had the world at his feet. But for all that, he hadn't been outside in weeks. Downstairs, his black Mercedes was caked in dust. It never left the garage unless his girlfriend drove it. His meals came up via door dash runners. They might as well have shoved them through a slot in the door, because that's what injustice does to a man. It turns him into his own jailer. That first day, we sat and talked for hours, he and I. Every hour or so he get up to use the john and come back with a tall poor of vodka. He badly needed treatment at a trauma clinic, the kind of place your cowboy up and confront your terror while treating your sub since disorder mercifully. That's what Anthony did a year or so after we met, But for nine months he wasn't going anywhere until he poured out everything on his heart, his red hot hatred for the cops who'd framed him, his guilt for getting out and getting paid in full. While his best friend Andy was still detained waiting two more years for his new trial to start. But above all, Anthony burned to win justice for Carmel's vanished girls. And yes, you heard me right when I said girls, because six months after Josette went missing, a second girl disappeared in Carmel. Her name was Robin Murphy, and her body has never been found. Her disappearance and presumed death still haunts the town of Carmel and still be devil's the Carmel police who'd kept your case open for thirty years. Now, that was their pretext for not sharing their case file when we asked them about Howard gombered. As it happens, though I knew someone who had it. In the fall of last year, I flew out to the Northwest with my co producer Kara Cornhaber.

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Speaker 9: You guys wanted something to drink, wants I'm similar like Jessin.

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Speaker 1: Anthony and his girlfriend Leah bought a gorgeous spread in the Rockies. They literally live where the buffalo roam. We have three bald eagles that live over there.

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Speaker 14: His horse has come right down here to yeat, and we're friendly with the ladies, so she don't mind us. We feed them carrots and apples. They come right to the fence, four of them. It's fantastic we had to olk out here. We saw Oak this year, I mean maybe eighty just right down the street.

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Speaker 1: I can't begin to tell you how much he's changed in the five years since we met. He's still huge, of course, but his bulk his card from Rock. Now Anthony benches three seventy five in his massive gym downstairs and two floors above it is his red and black throne room. It's the pantheon of his gods in the WWE. They're life sized figures of Rick Flair and the Undertaker, their WrestleMania bells framed on every flat surface. And at the heart of that room is anthony shrine to Hulk Hogan, whom he dreamt on as a boy. It's Anthony's great joy that he befriended the Hulkster before he passed away. And why not. They're both of them larger than life and entirely self created. The day before we left, Karen and I sat with Anthony in his study. He's nothing if not a curator of his struggle, and there's thousands and thousands of documents pertaining to Putnam County on that day. He started talking about something new he had.

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Speaker 4: I haven't So if you don't want to talk about how you found it or was it really.

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Speaker 2: Well, I.

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Speaker 14: Told I mean, let's not put this at all on the podcast, and if you want to ask me.

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Speaker 1: Take the microphone off. But you didn't do it. When you're done, you know, it's don't be that thirsty. Of course, Anthony being Anthony, he did eventually show it to us.

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Speaker 10: So this is the Robin Murphy file from the police department.

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Speaker 1: This is all they have for thirty years, all of it. That's a full civils It was a massive carton filled with files, many of them stamped Carmel PD.

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Speaker 10: Robin Murphy, who has been missing since nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 4: How did you get this.

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Speaker 1: Dropped in my lap? Tell me dropped in my lap? Oh? And the name of the last person Robin was seen with, Howard John Gombert Junior. We're going to find out what's in that box and what happened to Robin Murphy. In season two of The Devil's Quarry.

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Speaker 11: You said I have one minute to ask anything. I'm going to ask you this. Where is Robin Murphy's body? Buried Really Good.

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Speaker 4: H H.

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Speaker 15: And then he brought up Robin, Robin Murray and then he tells me, uh, they'll never find it, They'll never find the body.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how do you know?

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean?

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Speaker 15: You know, in jail talk, insinuating those are your man down, those are your those are your bodies, you know. And it didn't so much with Josette, more with with Robin y