June 10, 2026
Chapter 2 | Ride or Die
Anthony DiPippo is pulled into a murder investigation. But the worst part is the reason why.
Award-winning investigative journalist and longtime Rolling Stone Magazine contributor Paul Solotaroff hosts the next entry in the acclaimed Bone Valley anthology: Bone Valley Season 5 | The Devil's Quarry.
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Speaker 1: This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual assault and abuse involving children. Listener discretion is advised. Josette Wright's bones were found in the woods off of Fields Lane on November twenty two, nineteen ninety five. Two nights later, Anthony was riding in a car with a couple of his boys, or road dogs as he liked to call them. One of them was his best friend, Andy Kreebak.
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Speaker 2: Had a lot of adrenaline, a lot of energy, very energetic. Oh my god, that kid, he would just want to go.
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Speaker 1: The kid at the wheel was Dom Neglier. At six foot four and three hundred plus pounds. He was even bigger and more imposing than Anthony.
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Speaker 2: This case forearms or like horselegs, Like it's just insane. This guy right now, I'm close to six six six' five and it depends on my. Shoes but he was. Big but he was like big and, big like you.
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Speaker 1: Know the three of them were headed out Of Putnam. County we decided we want to go to This Jersey City. Rave AND i actually didn't want to just go to The Jersey City. RAVE i wanted to try to make. Money anthony was HAWKING, pcp better known As Angel, dust and en route they were getting souped on their own.
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Speaker 2: Supply that was the TIME i picked up sixty bags of. Dust think of a Tiny manila envelope and then a little bag in. It back, then they had these big baggy. Coats they Were jean jacket coats with all these metal buckles on them and, stuff and they had these super big deep pockets and STUFF i just do in my.
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Speaker 1: Pockets they were headed south on The Sawmill parkway when one of them, said.
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Speaker 2: Oh my, god do you know who sister they found up in the. Woods they said they found her.
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Speaker 1: Bones anthony And andy barely Knew, joset but they partied with her older, Sister chloe a few years. Back dom meanwhile didn't know the. Girl he'd been raised in a different, town but he got caught up in their chatter as he. Drove when they reached The Jersey club in a dusted, Haze anthony handed some of his merch off to his.
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Speaker 2: BOYS i gave you a bunch To dome And i'm, like, WELL i Figure dom is big and people are going to be scared of, him not to do anything stupid or try to rob.
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Speaker 1: Him but several hours later they left the club. SALTY i didn't make a. Dime back in the, car dom was at the wheel again. Well anthony struggled to keep his eyes.
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Speaker 2: Open i'm fucking, Zouited i'm. Zooted i'm sitting in the front. Seat i'm not blacked. Down i'm aware of what's around, me But i'm just so tired from all this sudjusting dust AND i had my eyes.
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Speaker 1: Close they were heading home around five am and taking back roads to avoid The putnam, cops but somehow the cops knew they were. Coming anthony panicked as their blue lights blazed up in the.
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Speaker 2: MIRROR i had no shot BECAUSE i was so. HIGH i had drugs in every pocket a mile and BASICALLY i got the stuff in my lap and my coat and my, pants and it's like falling out of me.
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Speaker 1: Everywhere the cops caank the three of them meta car and cuffed and stuffed into the separate.
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Speaker 2: Cruisers me And andy were in the same, car and then they Get dominic in another.
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Speaker 1: Car they Brought anthony And andy to The Putnam county jail, house then put them in basement jail.
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Speaker 2: CELLS i just Hear andy and to sell next to, Me he's, like, yo you got to help me. OUT i only have one, back say it was.
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Speaker 1: Yours the Way anthony, suited he does the calculation when more bad to the thirties holding it don't make no difference when he's. Charged, Besides andy's more of a brother than, buddy and this is the least you do.
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Speaker 2: For a, brother.
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Speaker 1: The, bear saying That andy had been arrested, before in fact twice that very year for. Possession anthony had spent some nights in lockup, too though for juvenile, nonsense not. Drugs so both boys were bummed about this latest, bust and not just because they were caught with felony. Weight what they couldn't have known that night or the weeks to follow was that this was so much bigger than. Drugs like the lost boys they, were they just walked into a, nightmare a nightmare that would take them decades to wake up.
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Speaker 3: For do you my? Madness, laughteries my, fears, sorrows deaths are. Endless this valley of, ears.
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Speaker 2: This is The devil's.
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Speaker 1: Quarry in The Putnam sheriff's case file on the murder Of Joseph, right you'll find page after page of the CoP's handwritten. Scribbles some of those scribbles Concern anthony And. Andy but what isn't in there is a clear story of their personal and criminal. Backgrounds if there was, one it might sound something like. This beginning a decade prior when the boys' lives took a hard.
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Speaker 2: Turn.
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Speaker 1: Anthony And andy had been each other's ride or die since they were of grade school.
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Speaker 2: AGE i Met andy around, ten maybe. Eleven we're family like, Now, oh they're family all.
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Speaker 1: Right When anthony was, eight he stumbled in on his father having. Sex anthony was. Confused for one, thing the woman in question wasn't his. Mom his mom was in the hospital covering from. Sir for, another the woman was a lot younger Than anthony's mom and his.
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Speaker 2: DAD i heard, seventeen but eighteen at. BEST i was coming out of my, room and then they were on the. COUCH i didn't understand WHAT i was looking.
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Speaker 1: At that young woman Was Donna, Krevac andy's older. Sister anthony's dad ended up Marrying Donna. KREVAC. I, Meanwhile anthony and his mom moved to family, shelters where they survived on public assistance for several. Years anthony's only consolation was Meeting donna's kid Brother.
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Speaker 2: Handy he winds up translating into my step. Uncle the two boys became fast. Friends you, know he was, crazy you, know if it's de defiany. Door he did a stint or two in. Juvie he would like to take his dirt bike and the cops would be chasing, him and he would just go with the dirt. Bike Tomb he love to be chased by The, copsume, zoom.
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Speaker 1: Zoom what the two boys had in common was their betrayal by a. Parent andy's mom had been out of the picture for, years and then his stepmom walked. Out she was the closest thing he'd had to a. Mom he soon began to act out in, class getting into scrapes with the other. Kids by the time he ate his, tweins he'd been bounced to special, schools the kind for kids with conduct. Disorders the misery loved, company especially in. Childhood anthony had been gutted by the rupture in his. Life suddenly broke and, homeless he'd had to change, schools and at his new, one the bullies were. Relentless all these other kids had great, families big swimming, pools nice. Houses Now i'm wearing garbage clothes like couch potato shirt and ripped jeans and cheap, sneakers and they would make fun of me for. This they would spin on, me they would throw things at, me a lot of people calling me To, pippo to hippop because Now i'm eating all bad. Stuff because what do you have access to when you're? Poor are you cheap?
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Speaker 2: Food you, know and you eat a lot of it when you don't have it. Around SO i always, harbored kind of like a resentment for these people that would make fun.
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Speaker 1: Of meat and the other thing he And andy had in common they love the meathead circus Of. WrestleMania wrestling was like the typical good first. Bad you Have Luke, skywalker you Have Darth. Vader every hero needs a, villain and so for me that wound up being Like Hulk hogan And andrea a. Giant Hulk hogan at the time represented everything, good at least the character. Right And andy would watch the pay per views At andy's, house acting at the stunts they saw on.
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Speaker 2: Screen so they had this big blue cage And Hulk cogan was beating up kN Kongk. Bundy his ribs were, taped and then all of a, Sudden bundy did the splash an avalanche in the. Corner he hits them with the, splash and we think it's, over and Then Hulk hogan kicks out and then he goes against the cage and then picks them up and slams them and then pins them and then does all this flexing and, stuff And i'm, like that was really.
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Speaker 1: Cool but the two friends wrestling with their rewrite desk the way to change their storylines in. Life they started lifting weights and practicing kickflips in their, basement and they staged those many WrestleManias in their. Backyards and as they get, bigger they shared other things, too for cigarettes and beer than weed AND. Pcp on many an, afternoon you'd find him in some kid's basement Cranking Wu tang and talking game to the ninth grade.
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Speaker 2: GIRL i didn't have a brother of my. AGE i, mean he's the closest thing That i've had to having a.
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Speaker 1: Brother from the town's, perspective these two were partners in. Crime they sold in consumed narcotics and shared them with that risk girls from the group, home Which josette was often seen hanging out back to that bag of angel does the cops found In andy's pocket When andy Asked anthony to claim it was. His anthony didn't the thing, twice.
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Speaker 2: SO i told the. Cops i'm, like, hey this, guy you gotta let him. GO i was just wearing that coat AND i accidentally must have put that in his. Pocket but you, know they didn't let him. Go they didn't let me.
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Speaker 1: Go and what About?
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Speaker 2: Dom he went home that?
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Speaker 1: Night, Yeah dom had been released after a few. Hours andy, meanwhile went home a few days later with a misdemeanor count for, possession but Not. Anthony he wound up with a felony charge and sat in the county sail for six. Weeks you couldn't make. Bail what was the?
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Speaker 2: Problem, No, Well Big larry thought THAT i should learn my. Lesson Big larry Was anthony's.
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Speaker 1: Stepdad he'd entered the frame After anthony's folks, split and eventually pulled the boy and his mom out of. Crisis he moved them into his big house In carmel and Treated anthony like he was his own. Son better, Still Big larry had a rep around. Town he owned a thriving waste management firm and said to have had.
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Speaker 2: CONNECTIONS i, mean if you asked the district, attorney he's probably gonna tell you he's a. Mobster but he's just a really good hearted person in the garbage.
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Speaker 1: Business Big larry had tried to steer ante he's straight when he dropped out of school at. Sixteen he also hired him a lawyer for his earlier, scrapes so, Naturally anthony phoned him after THE pcp, BUST.
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Speaker 2: I Called Big larry And i'm, Like, larry you, KNOW i was Begging larry help me, out And larry's, like you need to sit there and then, eventually.
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Speaker 1: But after this, bust, no he wasn't gonna do, It So anthony would have to gut it, out sweating two years of dope through his, pores but detoxing cold turkey in a basement sell.
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Speaker 2: For the least of his.
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Speaker 1: Worries the real terror was waiting.
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Speaker 2: Upstairs the jail itself is connected to The sheriff's. Office the building is won so it's a pipeline of information whatever they want.
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Speaker 1: From anthony had been to lock up before and had a sense of how the place. Functioned whenever The sheriff's detectives wanted. Intel they called down and, say send me, in made up meat.
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Speaker 2: Up and they get. Them people that are going are either under interrogation or the, rats and they're going to give some.
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Speaker 1: Information and so the morning After anthony's, arrest the guard sent him. Upstairs still wasted from the night, before he sat with two detectives in an interrogation. Room they started off asking him who he hung, with local folks who popped up on their, Radar and then they suddenly switched started asking About Joseph. Right anthony. Flinched he'd been popped for. Possession what did that have to do with the dead? Girl did you see the? Girl, YEAH i SAW i walk around a few. Times we knew the. Girl we knew a little bit about her family, life we knew she wandered a. Lot this went on for a while to no. Effect when those cops gave, up in came the heavy.
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Speaker 2: Hitters there was A costaldo Packed.
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Speaker 1: Costaldo The elvis impersonator with a pompa do her Hairdar as the cop who Investigated josette's. Disappearance he'd been namely detective in her. Murder there Was Bill Quick quick Like nostaldo was a veteran detective at The Putnam Sheriff's, office but neither of them had run a homicide, before and Once Joe said's body was, found they were under fierce pressure to get a.
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Speaker 2: Result they were getting aggressive and they were trying to be, like we, know you know. Something they were accusatory and raised, voices and then one cop would go, out and then then we have another cop come in and be, like you should just tell them a little bit better and what more you, know and he would be more. Nicer so the good cop bad cop was a real.
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Speaker 1: Thing according To, anthony one of the cops playing bad cop was a dinosaur Named Don.
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Speaker 2: Killarney you know when they say you, age everything gets, Bigger well that really happened to this. Guy i'm sitting across From Don killarney And i'm, like, LISTEN i don't like. THIS i played the. FIT i want my. Lawyer he's, like fuck, you fuck the, fit and fuck your. Lawyer we have a murder case. Here and he was like big with his hands were out and you know all ears all knows all. Forehead they Interrogated anthony for.
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Speaker 1: HOURS a week or so, Later anthony was driven to Neighboring, brewster where he was arraigned on the felony drug. Count on their way back to lock, up the detective at the wheel turned to.
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Speaker 2: Him Michael ball drew back from the felony hearing In brewster and he put me in a front. Seat AND i didn't have no handcuffs, on Right he, Says see how easy you're sitting, There and it's gonna be really easy for. You we got this investigation with this little. GIRL i know you're involved with all these, Drugs like we know you're doing A, pcp we know you know, Everybody we know you know.
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Speaker 1: Something and, then according To, Anthony balls town. Shifted we could touch. It the at least said give you witness, protection pay your way to, college.
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Speaker 2: He, says or you know WHAT i can. DO i can take you over The Fields lane right now and blow your head.
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Speaker 1: Off over the course of the next, week Says, anthony he was hauled into interrogation rooms half a dozen. Times in one of those, sessions he agreed to a polygraph.
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Speaker 2: TEST i sit down into this chair AND i remember NOTICE i looked at the. MACHINE a machine said nineteen sixty nine and even in ninety, Five i'm like, that it looks like an earthquake, machine right rode of dials and then he, puts like you know when they do the oxygen for. You he puts one on my, pinky and then he puts a blood pressure cuff on. Me and he's got three cards and he pulls one card. Out he's, like one's going to be a, lie but you just say yes to. Everything so he's, like, here does this card have a blue dot? Yes does this card have a red dot? Yes does this car to have a yellow dot? Yes and one of the cards got. Different next THING i, know my lawyer literally breaks through the door and he had like a red eye FROM i don't. Know he must have got hit with, something so one eye was completely. Red he's got like this long buster and he just looked like a hero in a freaking wind and he, says you got to get my client off this. Thing you got to come with, Me you got to get out of. Here that, Lawyer Jim, reids had helped him out of scrapes the. Past to this, day Though anthony has no idea How reechs knew about the polygraph. Test i'm, Like, jim what's going? On he's, like we're gonna make you.
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Speaker 1: Confess the guards Brought anthony back to his cell the first chance he. Got he called home in a.
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Speaker 2: PANIC i was yelling With larry on the. PHONE i think they're going to charge me with. Murder you got to get me out of.
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Speaker 1: Here this Time larry heard him. Out he Helped anthony make. Bail but If anthony thought that his nightmare was, over well he didn't know This Putnam county. Detectives By january of ninety, Six anthony was out of, jail back home with his mom and. Stepdad he was pulling regular shifts For Big, larry who was trying to keep his problem step job.
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Speaker 2: Busy larry's, like you should go hang on the. Truck so Now i'm working in the garbage. BUSINESS i love the garbage. Business you were hanging the truck and you throw it hair in your. Wind all these you, know these, women these old ladies coming out with sandwiches and foil and old cake that tastes like. Asparagus and you, know all the delis would be giving me, sandwiches bars and hot. Wings and it was really the time of my. Life alas when he wasn't pulling. Garbage he was getting up to, trouble partying with his crew like nothing had. Happened WHEN i came. Home the next thing Was.
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Speaker 1: Neglia That's big Domb, naghlia the guy behind the. Wheel the three of them got pinned for. Possession anthony wasn't seeing much of handy those, days But Big dom.
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Speaker 2: Was right there for, him so like he was picking me. Up we would hang. Out sometimes we Go. Newburg we would go To New York city and we would drive back and you, know sometimes we just go get pot and we'd hang. Out and one day we were In Dan barry and he said something About Susan. Wright wait a, Second susan, right as In josette's.
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Speaker 1: Mom anthony knew her from when he partied at the right house With josette's oldest. Sister But Dom dom didn't grow up In.
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Speaker 2: Carmel that didn't make me feel good because why is he even know this person's? Name AND i looked at him, funny and it felt LIKE i was being.
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Speaker 1: Recorded sitting in that. Car anthony flashed to the night they were all arrested FOR. Pcp it's something That dom did that night as they were driving home that had never made sense to.
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Speaker 2: Him dominick does something really really really really. Weird he's, LIKE i got to call my. Grandmother he's lived on his grandmother at the. Time it's somewhere between three four maybe. Am it was just, like why are you calling your grandmother, sleeve she's probably sleep.
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Speaker 1: Be anthony was half asleep. Himself andy was zonked in the back, seat So dom pulled over and made his phone.
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Speaker 2: Call After dom made the phone, call it was all back. Roads i'm, like we got to be really. Safe so we're driving behind the hospital and we're using all these backways and, shit and that's when we get pulled.
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Speaker 1: Over it came back to him Now dom got into a separate cop car that. Night what happened in that car and why they Let dom go home after they booked him And andy for? Possession Was dom the reason those cops grew tolled him About josette threat to kill him if he didn't come. Clean el Was dom still working with The putnam cops to pin the murder of a twelve year old on? Him anthony snapped back to the. Present he Told dom to pull, over got out of a. Car, yeah BUT i slammed the door on. HIM i slammed the door in his face AND i called.
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Speaker 2: Him around.
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Speaker 3: For.
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Speaker 1: Anthony things took a turn after that. Night In Big dom's, Car he'd started sniffing cocaine all night. Raves now he sniffed or smoked it, whenever and that habit fed his mounting. Paranoia after four or five months of bad choices and daily drug, Use anthony felt his life spinning.
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Speaker 2: Out when you do cocaine for a long period of, time it starts to wear on. You my mind was kind of, changing like the street life this. Is it's all like starting to stress me.
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Speaker 1: Out and so In june of ninety, Six anthony decided to make a. Change he was on parole at the time and figured the smart thing to, do let's just go back to, jail violate parole by failing a drug, test and then use the time and lock up to hit. Reset he was, relieved even excited about the.
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Speaker 2: Prospect i'm actually feeling Like i'm going to make a change in my. Life you, Know Big larry's trying to push me off into a college direction or working for, Him So i'm, like this is a nice reset for me be out fresh for the. Summer my job. Back So i'm, like WHEN i head in And i'm gonna come out fresher than, ever my life is going to be fricking.
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Speaker 1: Beautiful so he went back to jail with a chin up high for a twenty day stint In.
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Speaker 2: County i'm on day, ten eleven. Twelve there's NO TVs down. Here right on the fourteenth day was, first nineteen ninety. SIX i get called the. BOOKING i go up to. Booking they SAID bci wants to SEE Bci bureau Of Criminal investigations as this ole group of jerk. Offs i'm, LIKE i got nothing to. Say send me back to my. SIDE i just want to go to. Myself, oh you could tell them. That So Michael ball comes. In And Mike ball was.
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Speaker 1: The detective who Driven anthony to court and, who according To, anthony threatened to shoot at my field's lane if he didn't help him out Regarding josette's.
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Speaker 2: Murder and he walks up to me and he's cleanly, shaven like red face like he was in that, sink his, suit his, hair everything was. Perfect he puts these black handcuffs on in front of.
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Speaker 1: Me an then he had no clue what the cups were for bal didn't bother to. Say he just Steered anthony toward the. Door through the, Window anthony sees mob gathered in parking.
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Speaker 2: LOT i see a gamut of twenty five thirty, REPORTERS tv. Cameras there WAS, NBC, ABC, cnn uh, whatever THE, wb The, fox the upn everybody was. There they got all these satellite dishes and. Shit it was like an armada of vans and news.
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Speaker 1: Vans anthony Remembers ball turning to him and, saying DON'T i look? Pretty then he grabbed the. Cross Then anthony wore around his neck is.
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Speaker 2: Cross he takes the cross and tucks it into my chest and he sees saw, Them they're here for. You WHEN i got to the other, SIDE i popped the chain back out because fuck.
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Speaker 1: You seconds, Later anthony was sworn by reporters and cameram and shouting questions About joe's at right and there in that, scrum it hit him full. Force he was being charged with the murder of a twelve year old.
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Speaker 3: Girl.
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Speaker 2: And they, said how do you. FEEL i, Said i'm not. Guilty i'll take it to the.
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Speaker 1: Grief anthony stumbled through the mob of. Cameras baul put him in a police car for the drive To, brewster where he be rained for the murderer Of joset, right and then he Saw andy and a second. Cruiser that's When anthony realized they were charging him. Too when they reached The brewster, courthouse the scene outside was. Bedlam anthony recognized some of the people thronging the courthouse.
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Speaker 2: Steps Big larry.
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Speaker 1: Was, There andy's father, too and then he Saw susan Writ joe said's, mom.
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Speaker 2: And she's all freaking. Angry she looks like the Sea hag From. Popeye they get me in front of the judge and this place is practiced as a misdemeanor town justice, court and it's like people are literally hanging off through after And i'm in front of the. Judges judges, like how do you? PLEASE i, SAID i don't know what to. DO i, SAID i don't make any. Plan i'm not saying. Nothing you, know he's asking me to plead guilty without a. WAY i think that's, wrong but you know it's this HEINOUS i hold you without. Bail SO i get back in the, CAR i get back brought to the. Jail i'm now charged with rape in the first, degree murder in the second degree of a, child a twelve year old.
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Speaker 1: Girl back at the, jailhouse one of the guards to pity on, him brought him outside for a. Smoke anthony paced the jail, yard replaying out loud the question shouted at him by, reporters.
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Speaker 4: How do you how do you feel they charge of rape and? Murder how do you feel About Andrew kreevac riding you? Out, no it wasn't just domb who turned on. Him, missus best, friend his Brother standing there and smoking with THE, Ceo anthony muttered something to, Himself.
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Speaker 2: Fuck andy's the one that's going to put this on. Me Andrew krevac ratted me.
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Speaker 1: This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual assault and abuse involving children. Listener discretion is advised. Josette Wright's bones were found in the woods off of Fields Lane on November twenty two, nineteen ninety five. Two nights later, Anthony was riding in a car with a couple of his boys, or road dogs as he liked to call them. One of them was his best friend, Andy Kreebak.
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Speaker 2: Had a lot of adrenaline, a lot of energy, very energetic. Oh my god, that kid, he would just want to go.
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Speaker 1: The kid at the wheel was Dom Neglier. At six foot four and three hundred plus pounds. He was even bigger and more imposing than Anthony.
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Speaker 2: This case forearms or like horselegs, Like it's just insane. This guy right now, I'm close to six six six' five and it depends on my. Shoes but he was. Big but he was like big and, big like you.
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Speaker 1: Know the three of them were headed out Of Putnam. County we decided we want to go to This Jersey City. Rave AND i actually didn't want to just go to The Jersey City. RAVE i wanted to try to make. Money anthony was HAWKING, pcp better known As Angel, dust and en route they were getting souped on their own.
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Speaker 2: Supply that was the TIME i picked up sixty bags of. Dust think of a Tiny manila envelope and then a little bag in. It back, then they had these big baggy. Coats they Were jean jacket coats with all these metal buckles on them and, stuff and they had these super big deep pockets and STUFF i just do in my.
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Speaker 1: Pockets they were headed south on The Sawmill parkway when one of them, said.
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Speaker 2: Oh my, god do you know who sister they found up in the. Woods they said they found her.
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Speaker 1: Bones anthony And andy barely Knew, joset but they partied with her older, Sister chloe a few years. Back dom meanwhile didn't know the. Girl he'd been raised in a different, town but he got caught up in their chatter as he. Drove when they reached The Jersey club in a dusted, Haze anthony handed some of his merch off to his.
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Speaker 2: BOYS i gave you a bunch To dome And i'm, like, WELL i Figure dom is big and people are going to be scared of, him not to do anything stupid or try to rob.
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Speaker 1: Him but several hours later they left the club. SALTY i didn't make a. Dime back in the, car dom was at the wheel again. Well anthony struggled to keep his eyes.
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Speaker 2: Open i'm fucking, Zouited i'm. Zooted i'm sitting in the front. Seat i'm not blacked. Down i'm aware of what's around, me But i'm just so tired from all this sudjusting dust AND i had my eyes.
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Speaker 1: Close they were heading home around five am and taking back roads to avoid The putnam, cops but somehow the cops knew they were. Coming anthony panicked as their blue lights blazed up in the.
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Speaker 2: MIRROR i had no shot BECAUSE i was so. HIGH i had drugs in every pocket a mile and BASICALLY i got the stuff in my lap and my coat and my, pants and it's like falling out of me.
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Speaker 1: Everywhere the cops caank the three of them meta car and cuffed and stuffed into the separate.
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Speaker 2: Cruisers me And andy were in the same, car and then they Get dominic in another.
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Speaker 1: Car they Brought anthony And andy to The Putnam county jail, house then put them in basement jail.
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Speaker 2: CELLS i just Hear andy and to sell next to, Me he's, like, yo you got to help me. OUT i only have one, back say it was.
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Speaker 1: Yours the Way anthony, suited he does the calculation when more bad to the thirties holding it don't make no difference when he's. Charged, Besides andy's more of a brother than, buddy and this is the least you do.
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Speaker 2: For a, brother.
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Speaker 1: The, bear saying That andy had been arrested, before in fact twice that very year for. Possession anthony had spent some nights in lockup, too though for juvenile, nonsense not. Drugs so both boys were bummed about this latest, bust and not just because they were caught with felony. Weight what they couldn't have known that night or the weeks to follow was that this was so much bigger than. Drugs like the lost boys they, were they just walked into a, nightmare a nightmare that would take them decades to wake up.
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Speaker 3: For do you my? Madness, laughteries my, fears, sorrows deaths are. Endless this valley of, ears.
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Speaker 2: This is The devil's.
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Speaker 1: Quarry in The Putnam sheriff's case file on the murder Of Joseph, right you'll find page after page of the CoP's handwritten. Scribbles some of those scribbles Concern anthony And. Andy but what isn't in there is a clear story of their personal and criminal. Backgrounds if there was, one it might sound something like. This beginning a decade prior when the boys' lives took a hard.
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Speaker 2: Turn.
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Speaker 1: Anthony And andy had been each other's ride or die since they were of grade school.
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Speaker 2: AGE i Met andy around, ten maybe. Eleven we're family like, Now, oh they're family all.
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Speaker 1: Right When anthony was, eight he stumbled in on his father having. Sex anthony was. Confused for one, thing the woman in question wasn't his. Mom his mom was in the hospital covering from. Sir for, another the woman was a lot younger Than anthony's mom and his.
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Speaker 2: DAD i heard, seventeen but eighteen at. BEST i was coming out of my, room and then they were on the. COUCH i didn't understand WHAT i was looking.
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Speaker 1: At that young woman Was Donna, Krevac andy's older. Sister anthony's dad ended up Marrying Donna. KREVAC. I, Meanwhile anthony and his mom moved to family, shelters where they survived on public assistance for several. Years anthony's only consolation was Meeting donna's kid Brother.
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Speaker 2: Handy he winds up translating into my step. Uncle the two boys became fast. Friends you, know he was, crazy you, know if it's de defiany. Door he did a stint or two in. Juvie he would like to take his dirt bike and the cops would be chasing, him and he would just go with the dirt. Bike Tomb he love to be chased by The, copsume, zoom.
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Speaker 1: Zoom what the two boys had in common was their betrayal by a. Parent andy's mom had been out of the picture for, years and then his stepmom walked. Out she was the closest thing he'd had to a. Mom he soon began to act out in, class getting into scrapes with the other. Kids by the time he ate his, tweins he'd been bounced to special, schools the kind for kids with conduct. Disorders the misery loved, company especially in. Childhood anthony had been gutted by the rupture in his. Life suddenly broke and, homeless he'd had to change, schools and at his new, one the bullies were. Relentless all these other kids had great, families big swimming, pools nice. Houses Now i'm wearing garbage clothes like couch potato shirt and ripped jeans and cheap, sneakers and they would make fun of me for. This they would spin on, me they would throw things at, me a lot of people calling me To, pippo to hippop because Now i'm eating all bad. Stuff because what do you have access to when you're? Poor are you cheap?
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Speaker 2: Food you, know and you eat a lot of it when you don't have it. Around SO i always, harbored kind of like a resentment for these people that would make fun.
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Speaker 1: Of meat and the other thing he And andy had in common they love the meathead circus Of. WrestleMania wrestling was like the typical good first. Bad you Have Luke, skywalker you Have Darth. Vader every hero needs a, villain and so for me that wound up being Like Hulk hogan And andrea a. Giant Hulk hogan at the time represented everything, good at least the character. Right And andy would watch the pay per views At andy's, house acting at the stunts they saw on.
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Speaker 2: Screen so they had this big blue cage And Hulk cogan was beating up kN Kongk. Bundy his ribs were, taped and then all of a, Sudden bundy did the splash an avalanche in the. Corner he hits them with the, splash and we think it's, over and Then Hulk hogan kicks out and then he goes against the cage and then picks them up and slams them and then pins them and then does all this flexing and, stuff And i'm, like that was really.
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Speaker 1: Cool but the two friends wrestling with their rewrite desk the way to change their storylines in. Life they started lifting weights and practicing kickflips in their, basement and they staged those many WrestleManias in their. Backyards and as they get, bigger they shared other things, too for cigarettes and beer than weed AND. Pcp on many an, afternoon you'd find him in some kid's basement Cranking Wu tang and talking game to the ninth grade.
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Speaker 2: GIRL i didn't have a brother of my. AGE i, mean he's the closest thing That i've had to having a.
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Speaker 1: Brother from the town's, perspective these two were partners in. Crime they sold in consumed narcotics and shared them with that risk girls from the group, home Which josette was often seen hanging out back to that bag of angel does the cops found In andy's pocket When andy Asked anthony to claim it was. His anthony didn't the thing, twice.
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Speaker 2: SO i told the. Cops i'm, like, hey this, guy you gotta let him. GO i was just wearing that coat AND i accidentally must have put that in his. Pocket but you, know they didn't let him. Go they didn't let me.
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Speaker 1: Go and what About?
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Speaker 2: Dom he went home that?
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Speaker 1: Night, Yeah dom had been released after a few. Hours andy, meanwhile went home a few days later with a misdemeanor count for, possession but Not. Anthony he wound up with a felony charge and sat in the county sail for six. Weeks you couldn't make. Bail what was the?
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Speaker 2: Problem, No, Well Big larry thought THAT i should learn my. Lesson Big larry Was anthony's.
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Speaker 1: Stepdad he'd entered the frame After anthony's folks, split and eventually pulled the boy and his mom out of. Crisis he moved them into his big house In carmel and Treated anthony like he was his own. Son better, Still Big larry had a rep around. Town he owned a thriving waste management firm and said to have had.
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Speaker 2: CONNECTIONS i, mean if you asked the district, attorney he's probably gonna tell you he's a. Mobster but he's just a really good hearted person in the garbage.
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Speaker 1: Business Big larry had tried to steer ante he's straight when he dropped out of school at. Sixteen he also hired him a lawyer for his earlier, scrapes so, Naturally anthony phoned him after THE pcp, BUST.
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Speaker 2: I Called Big larry And i'm, Like, larry you, KNOW i was Begging larry help me, out And larry's, like you need to sit there and then, eventually.
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Speaker 1: But after this, bust, no he wasn't gonna do, It So anthony would have to gut it, out sweating two years of dope through his, pores but detoxing cold turkey in a basement sell.
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Speaker 2: For the least of his.
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Speaker 1: Worries the real terror was waiting.
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Speaker 2: Upstairs the jail itself is connected to The sheriff's. Office the building is won so it's a pipeline of information whatever they want.
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Speaker 1: From anthony had been to lock up before and had a sense of how the place. Functioned whenever The sheriff's detectives wanted. Intel they called down and, say send me, in made up meat.
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Speaker 2: Up and they get. Them people that are going are either under interrogation or the, rats and they're going to give some.
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Speaker 1: Information and so the morning After anthony's, arrest the guard sent him. Upstairs still wasted from the night, before he sat with two detectives in an interrogation. Room they started off asking him who he hung, with local folks who popped up on their, Radar and then they suddenly switched started asking About Joseph. Right anthony. Flinched he'd been popped for. Possession what did that have to do with the dead? Girl did you see the? Girl, YEAH i SAW i walk around a few. Times we knew the. Girl we knew a little bit about her family, life we knew she wandered a. Lot this went on for a while to no. Effect when those cops gave, up in came the heavy.
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Speaker 2: Hitters there was A costaldo Packed.
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Speaker 1: Costaldo The elvis impersonator with a pompa do her Hairdar as the cop who Investigated josette's. Disappearance he'd been namely detective in her. Murder there Was Bill Quick quick Like nostaldo was a veteran detective at The Putnam Sheriff's, office but neither of them had run a homicide, before and Once Joe said's body was, found they were under fierce pressure to get a.
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Speaker 2: Result they were getting aggressive and they were trying to be, like we, know you know. Something they were accusatory and raised, voices and then one cop would go, out and then then we have another cop come in and be, like you should just tell them a little bit better and what more you, know and he would be more. Nicer so the good cop bad cop was a real.
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Speaker 1: Thing according To, anthony one of the cops playing bad cop was a dinosaur Named Don.
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Speaker 2: Killarney you know when they say you, age everything gets, Bigger well that really happened to this. Guy i'm sitting across From Don killarney And i'm, like, LISTEN i don't like. THIS i played the. FIT i want my. Lawyer he's, like fuck, you fuck the, fit and fuck your. Lawyer we have a murder case. Here and he was like big with his hands were out and you know all ears all knows all. Forehead they Interrogated anthony for.
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Speaker 1: HOURS a week or so, Later anthony was driven to Neighboring, brewster where he was arraigned on the felony drug. Count on their way back to lock, up the detective at the wheel turned to.
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Speaker 2: Him Michael ball drew back from the felony hearing In brewster and he put me in a front. Seat AND i didn't have no handcuffs, on Right he, Says see how easy you're sitting, There and it's gonna be really easy for. You we got this investigation with this little. GIRL i know you're involved with all these, Drugs like we know you're doing A, pcp we know you know, Everybody we know you know.
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Speaker 1: Something and, then according To, Anthony balls town. Shifted we could touch. It the at least said give you witness, protection pay your way to, college.
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Speaker 2: He, says or you know WHAT i can. DO i can take you over The Fields lane right now and blow your head.
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Speaker 1: Off over the course of the next, week Says, anthony he was hauled into interrogation rooms half a dozen. Times in one of those, sessions he agreed to a polygraph.
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Speaker 2: TEST i sit down into this chair AND i remember NOTICE i looked at the. MACHINE a machine said nineteen sixty nine and even in ninety, Five i'm like, that it looks like an earthquake, machine right rode of dials and then he, puts like you know when they do the oxygen for. You he puts one on my, pinky and then he puts a blood pressure cuff on. Me and he's got three cards and he pulls one card. Out he's, like one's going to be a, lie but you just say yes to. Everything so he's, like, here does this card have a blue dot? Yes does this card have a red dot? Yes does this car to have a yellow dot? Yes and one of the cards got. Different next THING i, know my lawyer literally breaks through the door and he had like a red eye FROM i don't. Know he must have got hit with, something so one eye was completely. Red he's got like this long buster and he just looked like a hero in a freaking wind and he, says you got to get my client off this. Thing you got to come with, Me you got to get out of. Here that, Lawyer Jim, reids had helped him out of scrapes the. Past to this, day Though anthony has no idea How reechs knew about the polygraph. Test i'm, Like, jim what's going? On he's, like we're gonna make you.
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Speaker 1: Confess the guards Brought anthony back to his cell the first chance he. Got he called home in a.
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Speaker 2: PANIC i was yelling With larry on the. PHONE i think they're going to charge me with. Murder you got to get me out of.
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Speaker 1: Here this Time larry heard him. Out he Helped anthony make. Bail but If anthony thought that his nightmare was, over well he didn't know This Putnam county. Detectives By january of ninety, Six anthony was out of, jail back home with his mom and. Stepdad he was pulling regular shifts For Big, larry who was trying to keep his problem step job.
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Speaker 2: Busy larry's, like you should go hang on the. Truck so Now i'm working in the garbage. BUSINESS i love the garbage. Business you were hanging the truck and you throw it hair in your. Wind all these you, know these, women these old ladies coming out with sandwiches and foil and old cake that tastes like. Asparagus and you, know all the delis would be giving me, sandwiches bars and hot. Wings and it was really the time of my. Life alas when he wasn't pulling. Garbage he was getting up to, trouble partying with his crew like nothing had. Happened WHEN i came. Home the next thing Was.
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Speaker 1: Neglia That's big Domb, naghlia the guy behind the. Wheel the three of them got pinned for. Possession anthony wasn't seeing much of handy those, days But Big dom.
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Speaker 2: Was right there for, him so like he was picking me. Up we would hang. Out sometimes we Go. Newburg we would go To New York city and we would drive back and you, know sometimes we just go get pot and we'd hang. Out and one day we were In Dan barry and he said something About Susan. Wright wait a, Second susan, right as In josette's.
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Speaker 1: Mom anthony knew her from when he partied at the right house With josette's oldest. Sister But Dom dom didn't grow up In.
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Speaker 2: Carmel that didn't make me feel good because why is he even know this person's? Name AND i looked at him, funny and it felt LIKE i was being.
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Speaker 1: Recorded sitting in that. Car anthony flashed to the night they were all arrested FOR. Pcp it's something That dom did that night as they were driving home that had never made sense to.
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Speaker 2: Him dominick does something really really really really. Weird he's, LIKE i got to call my. Grandmother he's lived on his grandmother at the. Time it's somewhere between three four maybe. Am it was just, like why are you calling your grandmother, sleeve she's probably sleep.
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Speaker 1: Be anthony was half asleep. Himself andy was zonked in the back, seat So dom pulled over and made his phone.
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Speaker 2: Call After dom made the phone, call it was all back. Roads i'm, like we got to be really. Safe so we're driving behind the hospital and we're using all these backways and, shit and that's when we get pulled.
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Speaker 1: Over it came back to him Now dom got into a separate cop car that. Night what happened in that car and why they Let dom go home after they booked him And andy for? Possession Was dom the reason those cops grew tolled him About josette threat to kill him if he didn't come. Clean el Was dom still working with The putnam cops to pin the murder of a twelve year old on? Him anthony snapped back to the. Present he Told dom to pull, over got out of a. Car, yeah BUT i slammed the door on. HIM i slammed the door in his face AND i called.
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Speaker 2: Him around.
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Speaker 3: For.
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Speaker 1: Anthony things took a turn after that. Night In Big dom's, Car he'd started sniffing cocaine all night. Raves now he sniffed or smoked it, whenever and that habit fed his mounting. Paranoia after four or five months of bad choices and daily drug, Use anthony felt his life spinning.
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Speaker 2: Out when you do cocaine for a long period of, time it starts to wear on. You my mind was kind of, changing like the street life this. Is it's all like starting to stress me.
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Speaker 1: Out and so In june of ninety, Six anthony decided to make a. Change he was on parole at the time and figured the smart thing to, do let's just go back to, jail violate parole by failing a drug, test and then use the time and lock up to hit. Reset he was, relieved even excited about the.
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Speaker 2: Prospect i'm actually feeling Like i'm going to make a change in my. Life you, Know Big larry's trying to push me off into a college direction or working for, Him So i'm, like this is a nice reset for me be out fresh for the. Summer my job. Back So i'm, like WHEN i head in And i'm gonna come out fresher than, ever my life is going to be fricking.
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Speaker 1: Beautiful so he went back to jail with a chin up high for a twenty day stint In.
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Speaker 2: County i'm on day, ten eleven. Twelve there's NO TVs down. Here right on the fourteenth day was, first nineteen ninety. SIX i get called the. BOOKING i go up to. Booking they SAID bci wants to SEE Bci bureau Of Criminal investigations as this ole group of jerk. Offs i'm, LIKE i got nothing to. Say send me back to my. SIDE i just want to go to. Myself, oh you could tell them. That So Michael ball comes. In And Mike ball was.
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Speaker 1: The detective who Driven anthony to court and, who according To, anthony threatened to shoot at my field's lane if he didn't help him out Regarding josette's.
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Speaker 2: Murder and he walks up to me and he's cleanly, shaven like red face like he was in that, sink his, suit his, hair everything was. Perfect he puts these black handcuffs on in front of.
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Speaker 1: Me an then he had no clue what the cups were for bal didn't bother to. Say he just Steered anthony toward the. Door through the, Window anthony sees mob gathered in parking.
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Speaker 2: LOT i see a gamut of twenty five thirty, REPORTERS tv. Cameras there WAS, NBC, ABC, cnn uh, whatever THE, wb The, fox the upn everybody was. There they got all these satellite dishes and. Shit it was like an armada of vans and news.
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Speaker 1: Vans anthony Remembers ball turning to him and, saying DON'T i look? Pretty then he grabbed the. Cross Then anthony wore around his neck is.
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Speaker 2: Cross he takes the cross and tucks it into my chest and he sees saw, Them they're here for. You WHEN i got to the other, SIDE i popped the chain back out because fuck.
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Speaker 1: You seconds, Later anthony was sworn by reporters and cameram and shouting questions About joe's at right and there in that, scrum it hit him full. Force he was being charged with the murder of a twelve year old.
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Speaker 3: Girl.
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Speaker 2: And they, said how do you. FEEL i, Said i'm not. Guilty i'll take it to the.
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Speaker 1: Grief anthony stumbled through the mob of. Cameras baul put him in a police car for the drive To, brewster where he be rained for the murderer Of joset, right and then he Saw andy and a second. Cruiser that's When anthony realized they were charging him. Too when they reached The brewster, courthouse the scene outside was. Bedlam anthony recognized some of the people thronging the courthouse.
00:27:38
Speaker 2: Steps Big larry.
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Speaker 1: Was, There andy's father, too and then he Saw susan Writ joe said's, mom.
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Speaker 2: And she's all freaking. Angry she looks like the Sea hag From. Popeye they get me in front of the judge and this place is practiced as a misdemeanor town justice, court and it's like people are literally hanging off through after And i'm in front of the. Judges judges, like how do you? PLEASE i, SAID i don't know what to. DO i, SAID i don't make any. Plan i'm not saying. Nothing you, know he's asking me to plead guilty without a. WAY i think that's, wrong but you know it's this HEINOUS i hold you without. Bail SO i get back in the, CAR i get back brought to the. Jail i'm now charged with rape in the first, degree murder in the second degree of a, child a twelve year old.
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Speaker 1: Girl back at the, jailhouse one of the guards to pity on, him brought him outside for a. Smoke anthony paced the jail, yard replaying out loud the question shouted at him by, reporters.
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Speaker 4: How do you how do you feel they charge of rape and? Murder how do you feel About Andrew kreevac riding you? Out, no it wasn't just domb who turned on. Him, missus best, friend his Brother standing there and smoking with THE, Ceo anthony muttered something to, Himself.
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Speaker 2: Fuck andy's the one that's going to put this on. Me Andrew krevac ratted me.
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