Decentralization, Digital Nomads, and Life in Bali: Insights from Roberto Capodieci

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We're live. Hi everyone You've so excited. Okay.

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Let me be clear. First of all, I'm house -sitting

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and it's been a tough week for me a little bit

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of awesome heart issues Robert but I'm alive

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and I'm here and You're gonna be my medicine

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tonight to help me feel better. So that's the

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way to do it Okay, do I know Robert? No, the

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only thing three things I know about Robert.

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He's brave He's a beautiful human and he's brilliant

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So, Robert, introduce yourself to me. Hi, Robert.

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I'm Adrienne. Who are you? Jen, thank you for

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having me in your show. I just came back home

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from a comedy show. If this can help push things

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up a little bit, brighten things up. Well, I'm

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Roberto Capodici. I'm Italian. I've been living

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around the world. I spent the first 18 years

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of my life in Italy. Then I spent a lot of time

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in the United States. Now it's 20 years I'm in

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Southeast Asia. I live in Bali, Indonesia at

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the moment. So I think there are places people

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take the effort to go on holiday to. Why not

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live in there directly? So Venice, Italy, Florida

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in the States, and now Bali in Southeast Asia.

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So that's exciting. And working in IT, I can

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adapt myself. It's a work I can do a little bit

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everywhere, even starting companies. Singapore

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is a fantastic country nearby here. It's two

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and a half hours of flight from here. And there

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is a lot of interesting opportunities there.

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So there you go. And yeah, so that's who I am.

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That's what I'm... I mean like I don't I am not

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my job I am a human as I was saying I'm a father

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of four I have a lot of interesting aspect of

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family life as well but I love it I love it so

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Robert sorry for the dog in the background I

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have oops Robert I have a question for you if

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you live in Bali the most beautiful place on

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earth most people would say that where do you

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vacation and right that's the big Like, where

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do you go when you're in a place like this? Go

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to Thailand. Thailand is another amazing destination

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that is very similar but completely different

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at the same time from Indonesia. So that's where

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many people... You know, there is a new generation

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of digital nomads. kids, even though there are

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even 50 plus that do digital nomads, but mostly

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are 20 something that do digital nomads and do

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very well. And they really live between different

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countries of East Asia, mainly Thailand and Indonesia,

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Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, and Bali or other islands.

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So much the governments are organizing themselves

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to offer visas, special for digital nomads, so

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they are legally working remotely from within

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the country, which when you're with a tourist

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visa, you are not allowed to work even for an

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employee outside the country where you are. You

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should be only in holiday. I want to do some

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fast questions for you because I think a lot

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of people are really interested. But we're going

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to do because I have like five back to back interviews

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today. It's a live with them. So what I want

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to do is ask you these questions and. I want

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to ask you your questions and then give your

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answer. Like, first of all, like, how long does

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it take you to prepare to actually go overseas

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and live? Well, the time you spend that, well,

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now, when I was a kid, the first time I took

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and left, you have no website to buy airplane

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tickets, you need to go to a travel agency actually,

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so it would take a little longer because you

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need to wait at the travel agency to prepare

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your tickets. As I would say, a couple of hours,

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three hours. No, never prepare a big luggage

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because it's just a lot of annoying stuff with

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you, so take a flight and go where you want to

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go and then start there with what you can do.

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I think it's the best way to prepare honestly.

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Okay, so here's the next question. Do you do

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you have your clients already and then kind of

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like bring your clients? I don't you know, you're

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working remotely, you know, or your own business.

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So do you bring your clients? Do you get your

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clients first and move? Or do you move and try

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to get your clients? So like, what would make

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more sense? And then we'll make more sense to

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live already knowing that you can survive, you

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can have an income, obviously, that goes way

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without saying. And depends on how adventurous

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somebody is. Never be in a country that you don't

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know with the language, you don't know with no

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money on the road, that's not really intelligent,

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I will say. So obviously, make sure that you

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have already some money, some savings, plus some

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income that you can have, you know. Are you going

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over first? Because how do you know how the Wi

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-Fi is? Nowadays, I would say, thanks to Elon

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Musk, a small satellite antenna that fits in

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a small luggage, you can be connected to the

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internet anywhere in the world, even in the middle

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of nowhere, in a raft in the middle of the ocean,

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if you don't have food or water, but you have

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internet. It's good to ask for it, I guess. I

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love that. Again, Robert, I'm so sorry. I'm here

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at this house sitting and the dogs, it's been

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a very tough week for me, I have to admit, as

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far as trying to work. So I don't want to cancel

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this. So let me, I want you to share right now,

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once you're over there, what are the steps? Like,

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are you working during the day? Are you working

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American hours, Italy hours? Like, I'm really

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curious about your hours, but I'm going off camera.

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So you're just going to be you while I... Just

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handle the situation with the dogs. All right.

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Sure thing. OK. Oh, well, first of all, it doesn't

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mean I'm not a digital nomad. 20 years that I

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live in Bali, Indonesia, I am not very nomadic

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if I was a digital nomad, obviously. But I think

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that I saw so many people traveling around Southeast

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Asia doing online jobs. Maybe they have a...

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a drug shipping store where they just need to

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connect, you know, supplier with the clients

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or they have other kinds like they are developer,

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they have application or they run a software

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as a service website, many other things that

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they potentially can do. And this is something

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they do without, I would say, they will do the

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same thing at home that they're doing when they're

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remote. some jobs that require them to be online

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on a certain time of the day or the night. Myself,

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now it's midnight and seven minutes here in Bali.

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So, you know, just to accommodate the fact that

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sometimes you deal with people on other side

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of the planet and then you need to get to the

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compromise to be present at times that are not,

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you know, but it's a personal choice, I guess,

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so. Robert, I love that. Thank you for your patience

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there. I love that. So my next question is kind

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of a little different. I just want to know, like,

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what are the topics? So you requested to come

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on live. I love it. I don't review anyone. So,

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you know, it's open seat. But what is your, like,

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what are you hoping to gain from, like, serving

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on podcasts? Are you looking for more business?

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Is there a story you want to share? What is your

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goal? for getting a podcast? Well, all right,

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so that's a very interesting question because

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I've been doing, I've been guesting about 50

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podcasts since the beginning of the year so far.

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Whatever, whatever, wait, don't just say that,

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wait, breathe. Everyone, 50 podcasts, wow. Share,

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share. I host my own as well and I host also

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for a group that has many very interesting podcasts

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in financial technology. I had a series about

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preventing online scams. I did the podcast in

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Italian with other people about the metaverse.

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I've been doing many things. I guess it's interesting,

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more the things is taken seriously, it's interesting

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also to explore how other people do it. I wonder,

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would I ever be able to be a guest at a Joe Rogan

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or a Fred Fick's memoir? There are... Like, what

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is so interesting about me, you know? Is there

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a lot of interesting facts about me? There are,

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I guess, because they've been asked to be, you

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know, the first few I offered myself as a guest

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and the rest became mostly invitation that I

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received of people seeing me and others. And

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there is also a way to learn to be a better host,

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I guess. So, in the past they've been asked to

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write a book and... Before accepting to write

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the book, I wanted to be sure to be good about

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writing. So I started writing columns for the

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newspaper. I started writing a blog. And there

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I realized I wasn't very good. So I did the process

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in learning, and then I co -written books with

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other people. It's something that I don't believe

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they want to be already at the top. So that never

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works. like a path to get to a destination. And

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being guest in podcast is a choice I've made

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to learn, to get to know a lot of more new people

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and to understand better how this world works.

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I love that, I love that. I'm also a podcast

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producer for Market Domination, but this show

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is not produced by him. This is a homegrown show,

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but I totally agree with everything you're saying

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and the ability to, and it helps you to keep,

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you know, on your toes with your brain thinking.

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So I absolutely love that. I am going to share

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something with you. I want to ask you a couple

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of questions. Again, so Spitfire answers, yes

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or no. Have you ever been on a social audio app?

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Social audio app, I'm not very sure what it means,

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so just know. What? Wait, what? Really? Okay,

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so this is so amazing. So there is, it's like

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four years ago, an app called Clubhouse came

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out. Ah, Clubhouse, yes. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. All right, so you picked your Clubhouse.

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Now what if you picked your Clubhouse, but you

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could have video. you could stream, you could

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do podcasts, you could you could do the video

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with people in the room where they can un -mic,

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you can mute them all and then you can say anyone

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have questions and then they'll raise their hand

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and you get they could ask questions right there.

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I mean how interactive it's going on by the way

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also the this is most incredible so it's a social

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audio video app by a young man named Nelson Apega

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who was it like he's like the number one clubhouse

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well audio lover right he went from clubhouse

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to twitter spaces and realized what was missing

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and and as an entrepreneur created chatter social

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it would be great for you first of all there's

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people all over the globe you could be in the

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room with ecuadorians you know you could be in

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the room with anyone it's amazing and you're

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having real conversations with real live people.

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There's entertaining rooms, there was the voice

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where contestants got on camera, and it was so

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much fun with the judges. Would you like an invite?

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Should do. Okay, so we're done. I'll send you

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the invite. I think you will really enjoy it

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because so what is the majority of your business?

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Is it social media? Are you brand strategists?

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Are you a cyber scam? Like I didn't get a chance

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to know. If we were going to read your speaker

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sheet, tell me what's on your booking sheet.

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I mean, I am a I'm an advocate of decentralization.

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I am experiencing the centralized system. I am

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a technical architect for the centralized system.

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So I do roles as CTO or software architect or

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project management in software implementations

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for the centralized system. So system based on

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peer to peer. That's a lot of complicated words

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to say that pretty much I build the engines that

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stay underneath what are, for example, cryptocurrencies

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or other decentralized system where, you know,

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system for supply chain and other things like

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that. Yes. Amazing. You're going to love chat

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or social. It's actually made for someone like

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you. It is perfect because you get the CEO and

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founder Nelson Apega actually runs a town hall

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where you can ask questions. We've seen people

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come in and get hired from by him, which is amazing.

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So it's incredible. Pretty much mostly every

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night is the town hall where you learn and get

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all these updates as it going. So we're in private

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public beta. We were some of us were the first,

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I think it was the first 100 in the private beta.

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So now it's public beta. So still a lot of changes.

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He always asks feedback, polls. You are going

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to love this. I didn't even think about it, but

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after hearing what you're saying, I'm like, Ooh,

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you are going to be good chatter social .io.

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So anyways, I, so like this amazing life that

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you have, are you working on a book to share

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your story to, or just the podcast and guessing?

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But technical book has been written in the past

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or, uh, you know, I have one interesting, if

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people are interested in the centralized system,

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a book that you can download for free or buy

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at amazon .com. But now at the moment I'm organizing

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myself to start hosting. There is a podcast platform

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with the different topics and selection of a

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series of podcasts that I want to start putting

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out. And so that's pretty much it. For the rest,

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I do my job, my business. My work is now on social

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media, right? It's on the technical aspects.

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So I have my own companies and things. This is

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just the pleasure of having a chat, educating

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people about decentralization through this media,

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and get to learn how all this work works. Robert,

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before we go, what's behind you? What is behind

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me like is that is that oh, yeah, what is it?

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This is this is a brain is the QR code that goes

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to my LinkedIn These are very old the floppy

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disk cassette tapes, you know from there Wait,

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am I supposed to go like this? Should I do this?

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I want to do it I want to do it. Wait, hold on

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everyone. Everyone get out your phone get out

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your phone. Let's go Alright, let's go. That's

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got a phone. Let me go to the kit. Let's see

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if it works camera Let's go like this. Come on

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I do have an iPhone 15 Pro Max, not that I'm

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bragging. Oh, poop. It must be something that's

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just not picking it up. Shoot. Let me just try

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one more time. Probably, unless the image is

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muted. All right. Well, I try if someone else

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try. Otherwise, we'll have all your links. Like

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this should work. So what we'll do is we're going

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to put all your information in the show notes.

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so that everyone has it. So do you want people

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to reach out to you via LinkedIn? How do you

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want people to reach out to you? And what do

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you have? Tell me your socials right now. Like,

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what do you have? Well, LinkedIn is rc10. So

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the classic linkedin .com slash im slash rc10,

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rc like rc10. All right. My website is rcx .it.

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as a short link to get to my website. And what

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is it? And? RCX. So RC again, Robert. Oh, RCX.

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Okay. Good. Oh, you're going to good, good, good,

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good, good. I want to make sure I'll have the

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show notes, but they hear you now. I love that.

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I think that so, so on your, so are you making

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a course or doing something with your how to

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travel? you know, how to travel or how to be,

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like that would be really cool. You just, are

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you available for like consults? Are you available

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for just like a free like 15 minutes? Someone

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can ask you a question. Yeah. If somebody wants

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to reach to me, they're more than welcome to

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reach out to me. If I can help, I'm always happy

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to help. If somebody is interested in decentralization

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or, you know, they want to know more again, just.

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I love that. So contact you and then are you

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putting it in the notes right there? Do you have

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access to the chat on the right side of your

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screen? All right, yeah. If you do, that would

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be awesome. So I do something. I'm not as cool

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as you. Well, I'm not even like a quarter cool

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as you, but I am a trusted house sitter. So I

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travel through the United States and sit for

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people's pets for free. Well, this one I'm doing

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is like down the road for me. But normally I

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love to travel and then, you know, stay at people's

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houses for free in exchange for watching their

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dog or cat or whatever they have. And and actually,

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so my next goal is to, you know, explore the

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rest of the globe because it's a global organization.

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So there sits all over. So it's a fun way to

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travel. And there's a lot of people that are

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domain nomad, digital nomads, but they're using

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like the trusted house sitter kind of thing.

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So you could, you know. and you get like three

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months sits, you get really, some people get

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like year long sits once people have to travel.

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So very cool. Robert, you're a cool dude. Likewise.

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I love it. 50 out of 50 interview pretty much,

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pretty much one a week or two a week. You've

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had to like, it's not how many, I don't even

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know how many. Wow. So what? I don't know if

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indirectly some of the business I receive comes

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from some technical interviews I do in some podcasts,

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maybe. But some people connected to me because

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they saw me in the podcast. But no client told

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me, ah, I'm your client because I saw you in

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the podcast. I don't know. Got it, got it, got

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it. Maybe it happened, I don't know. But I don't

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do it to find clients. I do it because I like

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to share my knowledge and to get to know people.

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So I just want everyone out of here to really

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if you could if you could could you please? Connect

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with Roberto and say oh I saw the interview with

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Adrian so that he gets more of messages from

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me if you don't if you wouldn't mind I'm looking

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at you. Yeah, you over there to the right. Please

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do that for me so I I find it fascinating and

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then do you have are you doing anything with

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like the beautiful pictures of Bali like are

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you do you have like are you showing the country

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itself like as you travel and tour bali and go

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on the beach how often are you at the beach and

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not very often i'm very big if i go to the beach

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then the green peas come and they push me back

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in the water you know that's not even nice don't

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be don't say that about yourself stop it stop

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it you're looking at i don't understand that

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the beach and you know what the beach is not

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just to go in the beaches to to look at too are

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there a lot of restaurants on the water yeah

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there are a lot of nice restaurants on the beaches

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And I got the good fish to eat. But I live in

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the Wuntang, I live in the inside of the island,

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so it's a little bit of a trip to go to the beach.

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But I have a nice swimming pool here at home,

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so sometimes I just... Do you have an extra bedroom

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by any chance? Extra bedroom? No, I have four

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kids actually. Three living with me, plus wife,

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and we are quite packed. But in fact, that's

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one of the issues, because we had an area, a

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separate building that we use as a guest room.

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But now my wife starts this production of a spa

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product. So she took over the space, and there

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is no more guest room. Oh my God, I! I can't

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wait to hear what product she'll have to come

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on the show. I love that. So she's venturing

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out as her own entrepreneur and was there a problem

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and she's solving it with the product? She's

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been in this business for many years and she's

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sort of an alchemist. She makes these things.

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She started with something that she thought was

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the amazing thing, but nobody seems to care.

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As a side thing, she's making those soaps and

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people go crazy for her soaps. I don't know why.

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And it is very interesting. Her company is called

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Aura Permata. And she has a website, therapermata

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.com, you can see. And also in YouTube, she has

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a channel where she explains to people how to

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do the product at home if somebody wants. Interesting.

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OK, get her on for me. Get her on for me. Send

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me all of her information. Send me your information.

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Hey, I just want to talk to your kids for it.

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Roberto's kids, there's four of you, right? Just

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remember all four of you can go into one room

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and then I can have a room to stay. Just an FYI.

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I'm just kidding, guys. I'm just kidding. Nobody's

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moving out of your room. But I do want to share

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with you. You got the coolest father, the coolest

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mother it sounds like. So you are lucky. And

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then you are in Bali. So wow. And I think that

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they could do a podcast sharing their life at

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their little older, you know, older teenagers.

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Anyways, people love that. So I love it. I'm

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going to let you go, Robert, to enjoy your midnight.

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So have a great, thank you for spending midnight

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to 1230 a .m. Robert, thank you so much. We're

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going to stay in touch, okay? Now we're friends.

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I put in the chat all the links you need, so

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also my wife's stuff. I would love that. I'm

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in Daytona Beach. If you want to come for Daytona,

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no, why would you? I've been in Florida for 10

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years, 12 years, on the other side in Sarasota.

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So right, right, right. Oh my gosh, it was fun.

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Thank you so much for being bold, brave and beautiful

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coming on without knowing what you were getting

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into. You don't even know me. Amazing. Thank

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you. Bye Roberto. Bye bye.